Hide Site/Bug Out Location Construction, Part 6

[Flyin6]

Here is what my building looks like now. I will undoubtly modify something, but this is design number 5:

[KensAuto]

That's an awesome looking shop.

[Bigdave_185]

One and done


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[JR]

I like it, mine is steel also. Hey, my plans are done too!!

[TexasRedNeck]

Not sure I’ve ever noticed a gambrel room metal building.  Very cool and classy.  I’m more of a square box guy


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[Flyin6]

Not sure I’ve ever noticed a gambrel room metal building.  Very cool and classy.  I’m more of a square box guy


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Something newer I'm told
Only a few doing this but all others look odd. Some like a squashed barn, all out of proportion.

Engaging the guberment today to see what manner of help I can get or if I will have to do all the heavy lifting myself.

[Bigdave_185]

Your other post talking about wasps and bees.

Consider doing some bee boxes around the place?   It will help with the growth of plants in the area. Plus honey is fantastic


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[Flyin6]

Your other post talking about wasps and bees.

Consider doing some bee boxes around the place?   It will help with the growth of plants in the area. Plus honey is fantastic


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I don't know. I'd like to say I would, but I just don't know enough about all that yet. Have to learn...

[Nate]

Your other post talking about wasps and bees.

Consider doing some bee boxes around the place?   It will help with the growth of plants in the area. Plus honey is fantastic


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I don't know. I'd like to say I would, but I just don't know enough about all that yet. Have to learn...

Don, search bee keepers in your area.  They will come out and put their hives on your land.  There is no cost to you.  It will help the pollination of the surrounding area, you will get some of the honey from the hives as payment back to you, that local honey is a great way to help fend off seasonal allergies as you will be injesting the local pollen while building a tollerance/resistance.

It is trully a win win for both sides with absoutley no money out of your pocket.  Besides honey stored properly has an indeterminate shelf life.

[Bigdave_185]

Your other post talking about wasps and bees.

Consider doing some bee boxes around the place?   It will help with the growth of plants in the area. Plus honey is fantastic


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I don't know. I'd like to say I would, but I just don't know enough about all that yet. Have to learn...

Don, search bee keepers in your area.  They will come out and put their hives on your land.  There is no cost to you.  It will help the pollination of the surrounding area, you will get some of the honey from the hives as payment back to you, that local honey is a great way to help fend off seasonal allergies as you will be injesting the local pollen while building a tollerance/resistance.

It is trully a win win for both sides with absoutley no money out of your pocket.  Besides honey stored properly has an indeterminate shelf life.

See see I’m not crazy I just am terrified of bees my self


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[JR]

Get a can of smoke!!

[Flyin6]

Your other post talking about wasps and bees.

Consider doing some bee boxes around the place?   It will help with the growth of plants in the area. Plus honey is fantastic


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I don't know. I'd like to say I would, but I just don't know enough about all that yet. Have to learn...

Don, search bee keepers in your area.  They will come out and put their hives on your land.  There is no cost to you.  It will help the pollination of the surrounding area, you will get some of the honey from the hives as payment back to you, that local honey is a great way to help fend off seasonal allergies as you will be injesting the local pollen while building a tollerance/resistance.

It is trully a win win for both sides with absoutley no money out of your pocket.  Besides honey stored properly has an indeterminate shelf life.

OK then I'll contact them when the time comes

[halsey]

A couple friends have bees. They use a hand crank centrifuge to get the honey out or the hive. We get a batch of bicuits going in the oven and when they come out we hold them under the trickle of honey coming from the centrifuge. Fun day..

[Bigdave_185]

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[Flyin6]

A couple friends have bees. They use a hand crank centrifuge to get the honey out or the hive. We get a batch of bicuits going in the oven and when they come out we hold them under the trickle of honey coming from the centrifuge. Fun day..

I bet that's good!

And I found a bee keeper less than a mile away!

[Farmer Jon]

I personally do not like bifold doors. I don't care how safe they say they are. I don't trust them. I've seen more than one fail. Check this out. Or any other hydraulic door. https://www.hpdoors.com/

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[Flyin6]

I don't think it's hydraulic. Just a 25 footer

Worked in many a bi-fold door hangar. Have never known a failure

I did ask them about two sliders as well. Haven't seen any reply yet

[cudakidd53]

Like the design Don - what’s become of the old school barn that is SE of the well?  Lots of quality barn wood there as I recall.

[Flyin6]

Like the design Don - what’s become of the old school barn that is SE of the well?  Lots of quality barn wood there as I recall.

I saved/rescued all those logs, but cleared off the site and burned remnants. You can't tell there was anything ever there.

It's where I will likely erect my fish hatchery building since the power company thought to place a power pole there

I "accidentally" bumped into one of their poles and it somehow fell into the fire...Pity

[oklawall]

Don,

Very late but I think these guys make some of the military stuff. Take a look at Alaska structures

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[Flyin6]

Update: The pretty barn made of red iron is out. The owner of that company and I had a falling out. He suggested I find someone else to buy from. I agreed, and off I went.

After going around and around I landed on Menards. Their pole barn building designer program is great, best I have used to date. It automatically moves windows and doors where they need to be whereas with Carport central I ended up with windows sitting on top of wall structure and doors that actually would not work once you actually accounted for the structure they needed for support.

The menard's barn builder allows you to build to commercial code, residential or agricultural (mine) which tosses the code into the trash along with the democratic party's common sense.

Their barn builder sets the poles directly into the dirt and sinks them 48". I am doing some custom stuff like setting the poles above grade on top of poured sono-tubes and brackets which will stand all wood proud of the moisture bearing soils.

The thing is 30 X 56 X 12. It will have standard roof trusses which sacrifices some space, but I decided just to make it an equipment barn and part time shop, so a 12 foot ceiling height will work if I ever need to pull an engine. The roof will have ten clear plastic panels 30" X 9' and feature a two foot clear plastic top of the wall. This will allow for maximum light transmission into the structure. The saw mill will be just inside a big roll up door and it will have a porch over a man door on each side. The rear will have a 12 foot roll up door and a 10 footer.

I used a planner which allowed me to place all mu equipment inside and it all fits with ease. I plan to grade and lay down some dense grade to begin with and get the thing under roof before thinking of a concrete floor. I can't believe how cost effective Menards is. Even with selecting premium materials, that thing comes in at under $26K. I figure the concrete work will fall somewhere around 10K so that is where I stand. I pulled $34K and tossed it into a spending account. Duane and I are meeting with the Menards folks Monday. I'll likely order it then. It will be setting on the property about three weeks hence.

With the upcoming Real Man trip with you folks, a family vaca in may and shipping my son off to the Armee in June, I don't expect to get a lot done until I get back from the Real Man/GLO trip.

[kampfitt]

Go 14' on your sidewalls, your looking at a 5th wheel lots of them are over 12' Ask me how I know! I'm planning stages right now for new barn with 14' door on one end for 5th wheel and also I can drive backhoe in with out having to lower rear stick!

[stlaser]

Agreed 14’ min for various reasons.....

[Flyin6]

Go 14' on your sidewalls, your looking at a 5th wheel lots of them are over 12' Ask me how I know! I'm planning stages right now for new barn with 14' door on one end for 5th wheel and also I can drive backhoe in with out having to lower rear stick!

Negative Ghostrider
Farm equipment and sawmill only
If fiver comes, will do one of those car port things for it
Out!

[JR]

Think you can go about any height you want. Drive through is must.

Watch a few RR Buildings on youtube.

[Flyin6]

So folks, just to be clear on the purpose of this structure. I need storage for several machines and some implements. That and to get my sawmill under roof, and finally a place to stack up some timber I have sawn up.

No camper storage ever. No living quarters except extra space for the day we have a camp over at the farm on a Real-Man meet up.

This is just an Ag barn. Campers if they ever come will be addressed at that time.

OK, we good on that? And I need to be frugal on this one since some of the money is borrowed. By going up a couple/few more feet the price soars into the 30's. That additional height is not needed at all for what I have planned so it is an unnecessary expense all while this project is partially financed.

[stlaser]

Modifying it for more height later isn’t much of an option. It’s not a truck, just saying..... 

[KensAuto]

Modifying it for more height later isn’t much of an option. It’s not a truck, just saying..... 

You trying to get banned again?
Besides, he could just dig the floor out. Duh

[Bigdave_185]

Modifying it for more height later isn’t much of an option. It’s not a truck, just saying..... 

You trying to get banned again?
Besides, he could just dig the floor out. Duh

That is a viable option.  Just dig a basement out of I lol.

Don another option could be dig a barn into the hill side, keep the profile low from view?

I have always love houses that use the ground for the back of the property,   

I’ll source some images and post.


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[JR]

A few K for a 14-16 ceiling is more than worth the $$$ IMHO, but who am I.

I went 16ft for storage and lifts and think about a Mezz around that thing!

[Flyin6]

Crazee talk^^^^ I'm not listenin'! (Same thing my psyc tells me 

[JR]

Now you have to buy an auger,,,,,,,,,

[Flyin6]

Now you have to buy an auger,,,,,,,,,

I already own one, Blue Diamond commercial/extreme duty.

I will have to add the proper size auger bit to it though, I only have a 9"

I'm pretty sure the "footer needs to be 14", so maybe buy that one, then pour a 6" footer, then slide a 10" sonotube on top of that. Have to check the engineered drawings, but I'll add some rebar to that and put one of those wet-set post mounts to the top of the wet mix, then build off of that

[Bigdave_185]

I’m sure your set on sono tubes and al but these provide some good options for post bases.  We used these on all of our big deck/covered outdoor living spaces

https://www.homedepot.com/p/SQUARE-FOOT-22-in-x-16-1-2-in-x-22-in-Plastic-Concrete-Footing-Form-SF22/202532049

They have other sizes at my steel supplier and so forth.  I don’t know the options you might have.   You can form rebar in them then put form over and back fill. Fill with cement.

Yes bigger hole is needed but I think you can handle that easy enough

Look into them


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[JR]

I have seen those, they look nice. Yeah a little bigger hole but look at the footprint!

[JR]

https://lp.futurebuildings.com/steel-container-covers/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ContainerCovers&fs_ppc_ext=4150&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIte-Xkfiz7wIVL-YoBR2zCwisEAEYASAAEgKKffD_BwE

[Flyin6]

https://lp.futurebuildings.com/steel-container-covers/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ContainerCovers&fs_ppc_ext=4150&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIte-Xkfiz7wIVL-YoBR2zCwisEAEYASAAEgKKffD_BwE

Appreciate it, but I just don't like those much. I know I went through that phase and was set on putting one of those in my property, but I just couldn't get past the ugly factor. Now if I set another building up out of sight, then things like this are in play. But the barn will be fairly close to the shed and future house, so it needs to be momma approved.

[JR]

Had to throw something at you just for the comments!

[Flyin6]

Had to throw something at you just for the comments!

Copy that
CM

[Flyin6]

This barn build thing seems to have taken on a life of it's own.
I started way back about mid winter with a carport metal building company out of North Carolina. They offered a nice, albeit, plain building turn key on my concrete pad for $28K and change. On top of that I was looking at $11K worth of concrete work and then an unknown amount of gravel (Dense grade) to level things up.
Not just a matter of leveling a spot which I could do easily, but since the saw mill sits on the high point, the rest of the site would require me to back fill up to 36" and that is a lot of gravel at $500-$800 a load.
Next came a red metal building company our of missouri. We got into a big disagreement, and the owner of that company essentially told me to go shop elsewhere, so I did.
Next up I was shopping the Menards and came up with a nice looking Gambrel roof kit at $25K ish that Duane and I were going to build. That was the sonotube discussion in this evolution. But thinking about it, several things had me concerned. First the accuracy of the placement of those concrete piers was going to be challenging to me, but Duane felt confidient he could do it. Second was the sheer magnitude of erecting a structure of that size with just he and I. Couple that with the fact that his son competes competitively as a swimmer, and actually plays on a double A and just came off a triple A hockey team which has them driving 500 miles on any weekend to play games, I could see Duane woulod likely not be around very much.

I did not want this thing to go on all summer and never get anything else done, so that's when i threw in the towel and talked to some local Amish builders. I ended picking a man from near Berea, KY. He had a good plan and a good price of around 29K with a 6/12 roof and scissors trusses, but he started to prove difficult to contact. Not sure if all Amish are like this, but we actually set a time and place to sign the contract and me hand him 25% down. He forgot all about that meeting according to him. So I'll summarize by saying I talked to him for awhile about keeping one's word and how that relates to the trust factor he needs to establish between himself and a man who he is asking for a bunch of money. I talked about faith and how little of that I had in him, then to put it bluntly, I fired him.

Then I had the "Ah-Ha moment. I had completely forgotten about Corey, a captain in the local fire department where I am on the board. He is an amazing young man. He quit high school at fifteen, and left home to begin working. He worked two or more jobs ever since that day. He went to night school and got his GED, then attended college as well. He studied business and the building trade.

He is the living American dream. He works incessantly. He owns a farm, as in OWNS it where he recently built a huge stable like 100 X 80 or perhaps larger. He boards 40 horses there. He owns an asphalt paving company! Yup owns it. He owns all the equipment on his farm outright. He also owns an active auto body collision and restoration shop. He owns that too! Finally, he owns this barn building company, and I had completely forgotten about it, or I would already be inside my barn that he built. He owns that and all its equipment as well, all by himself.

Anyway before this becomes a long story, I should sign a contract tonight to have him build me a nice 30X50X12 barn.

[JR]

And,,,,,,,,,,,

[Flyin6]

And last night I signed the contract.

three weeks until we start

In other news: My neighbor is repairing that huge leaking cylinder on the excavator. Coming right in there, it is all coming together!

[JR]

You'll break ground before I will, I might have a permit then.

[Flyin6]

You'll break ground before I will, I might have a permit then.

I love this place. I wish it was like this for you JR. No permits required. No one checks anything. Dam up a creek you ask? Here: Go ahead, it's your land. Left coast: 10 yrs. and $100,000 fine.
I think that the only thing we have to worry about is some libtrards migrating here from either coast...But then again we all own back-hoes.

[JR]

Heck, I can't even have a pond with MY water! (well, not supposed to)

[Flyin6]

Couple of pics of the "Road Re-Do" project on the front end of the farm

[oklawall]

Looks good what size rock did they put down?

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[Bigdave_185]

What’s the large white blur in that photo Don?


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[KensAuto]

What’s the large white blur in that photo Don?


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Cloud?

[Bigdave_185]

What’s the large white blur in that photo Don?


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Cloud?

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