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For 300 meters, the .308 is more than adequate. It is an effective cartridge for use out to 800 meters, possibly 900.I assume you are talking about shooting deer sized game or paper punching or in the context of this site, a self defense caliber.If I had shots that were typically in the far side of the .308 range, then the .300 WM is a very good cartridge. That caliber was used as a sniper gun very effectively out past 1000 yards. I own one and it has been a great shooter since the early 80's when I made it mine.The .270 and 7mm Rem Mag are great long shooters as well. These days the 6.5 cartridges like the Grendel are way long shooters because of excellent bullet coefficient of size vs weight and power.The standard nato 7.62 X 51 or .308 is probably about the perfect cartridge there is. Available everywhere. Powerful, Kills anything, inexpensive vs a .300 and is proven in everything from combat to long range competitive shooting to your annual deer hunt.The other .30 cartridges are so-so in my view. The new .300 and the 7.62 X 39 rusky rounds. They have good performance in close but run out of spunk pdq.Again we return to the .308 which is probably the standard by which other cartridges are compared.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are. Take the appropriate action, Execute!
your standard grunt level CQB is just putting rounds and rounds on scary stuff till it stops scaring you!
Ideally I would like something I can shoot on the range regularly but occasionally hunt with. This wouldn't be replacing my normal deer hunting rifle, a Remington model 7600 in .270. This would be the gun I stand up in the corner of the hunting shack in case the big buck decides to appear at the edge of the field 300-400 yards out while everybody is standing around bs'ing.I already reload for my .223. That gun I purchased to have as a range gun and normally shoot a couple times a month.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb. I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
I do plan on reloading for it though.So if anybody has any thoughts or opinions let me hear it.
I almost bought that same gun when i was looking, but opted for the Savage Model 16 with the sporter barrel, as i would be carrying in the field...The 700 SPS is definitely nice though for the money.
Did some more looking over the weekend. Considering the Remington 700 SPS Varmint in .308. 26" heavy barrel weighing 8-1/2 lbs. The weight doesn't bother me as I don't plan on carrying this gun into the field.http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=Remington-Model-700-SPS-Varmint-Centerfire-Rifle&i=416665
Nobody seems to talk about that caliber much even though they are pretty common.
Stopped in to Scheel's yesterday to check out there gun safe options. Now that the remodel on the house is finishing up I want to have a designated place for the firepower. On the way out I browsed through the rifles and ran across the Rem Model 700 Varmint I thinking about. Picked it up to look at it to find out the one they had was in .308 and the price tag they had on it matched the best deal I was able to find online. So it came home with me.For a factory trigger I don't think it is half bad. It has Remington's adjustable trigger on it (I don't recall what they call it) that can be adjusted down to 2.5 lbs I think and it feels fairly crisp. I'm hoping to get a scope on it and have it ready to send some lead down range in two weeks when I head back up north for the weekend.
Not sure yet. I just put a Nikon Prostaff 4-12x40 on the .223. For $190 it is a good scope with clear lens but I think I may want something with a little higher power.
I think I have settled on the Vortex Crossfire 2 in 6-18x44. My uncle has a set if the binoculars and likes them. The reviews seem to look good also. I have heard great things about there lifetime warranty. There headquarters are here in WI and also where there manufacturing facility is.http://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-crossfire-ii-6-18x44-ao-rifle-scope.html
Shot it this weekend. No pics as I wasn't real impressed with it. Hoping it was a combination of the cheap ammo I bought and not breaking the barrel in yet and not me or the gun.I think I might try returning the scope too. I was just wearing a flannel and light jacket shooting yesterday and couldn't get the lens far enough away from my eye without pulling my head back. The scope seems to have a decent amount of eye relief, just not where I need it.
Try emailing Vortex, and see what they say. Might allow you to do an upgrade or something. You aren't far from their HQ are you?
I will do that and I will probably swap one of my Nikon scopes on it to see what I think.
Let us know how it shoots after you get 100rds through it or so. My son's 700 varmint never shot better than POB @100 yrds "point of barn" 2.42" the best group it shot. In fact he just had it re barreled and trued and the usual smiting done...I will let you know how that turned out when he gets out to shoot it. I will say the "smith" was less than impressed with the mess when he started.
http://www.badgerordnance.com/remington-long-action-scope-rail.htmltake a look at this rail system. I use this on my rifles. Gets you 20MOA built in elevation and you can move the scope forward as needed to make the relief work
20 MOA is fine. Remember, you use elevation to zero the rifle. So you'll zero the rifle with the turret biased towards to top of the travel, which will give you an additional 20moa of downward travel. No problem zeroing the rifle at 100 with a 20moa rail. Have them on all my precision rifles.
Shot it again yesterday after getting the scope re-mounted with a new rail and scope mounts. Rounds 60-80 I think. I had a five shoot group at 1.7". There was one flyer that I new was off as soon as I squeezed. If I throw that one out it would have been a 0.8" group at 100 yards.These were 20 rounds of American Eagle 150 gr FMJ BT stuff from a coworker. They have another 840 rounds for sale and asking $.75/rd for it. Might try to talk them down some on the price and pick it up.
Bear, not picking on you. Just an recollection of many an Internet marksmen but I love how many a "marksman" I've encountered likes to throw out "the outlier" or call 3 shots a group. In the real world an outlier is still a miss in 10-15mph crosswind at 800. The steel rings or it doesn't. Or for you real been there done that types, it's a kill or it's not which can get innocents/friendlies hurt or killed if you miss the shot. Your groups are great with a factory rifle and factory ammo. I would invest in a high quality trigger as it has the biggest return on investment. From there you argue about 1/8ths and each 1/8th costs about $1000Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That's only a cheap gun because it lacks things of a more expensive rifle. Captain obvious, huh? By that I mean you add to it as money allows and you'll end up with a very capable weapon system. The Remy 700 action is the basis for the vast majority of precision rifles. Add a trigger. Improve your groups. Hand load and improve your groups. When the barrel is worn out install a new barrel and blueprint the action. Greatly improve your groups. Then add furniture of your choice and a big ole honking telescope. You have a rifle that will rival anything on the planet in similar caliber. So the good news is you don't lose any money investing as you go and you get to use up the factory barrel while improving your skills, making you ready to maximize your new found hardware accuracy when the time comes. Keep up the good workSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That was the initial plan but the more I read about the Remington SPS the more I was questioning if it made since to do that or just invest in a better gun. The two big improvements I could see myself making first would be the trigger and the stock. In the meantime I will just keep shooting it.