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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #350 on: March 12, 2020, 05:24:58 PM »
Could that be your battery draw?  Not sure which way the 4wd solenoid/actuator pulls or pushes, but could it be trying to shift and not able to and just killing the battery?


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #351 on: March 12, 2020, 07:23:36 PM »
Do you think it's been in 4wd this whole time? Maybe that's one (smaller) factor that was causing it to be doggie?
Yes, I do think it has been in 4WD the whole time

I've heard the front drive shaft and felt the high freq vib from it turning and have long suspected I was in 4WD, but now we know

Nick pulled the front shaft and did some dyno tuning

And we have numbers...Anyone interested???
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #352 on: March 12, 2020, 07:56:45 PM »
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« Reply #353 on: March 12, 2020, 08:32:22 PM »
With blower, 128,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #354 on: March 12, 2020, 08:43:01 PM »
Its quite surprising

1st pull 450HP and 482 ft/lbs at the wheels

Then 469HP/494TQ RW

making 442 tq@2360 rpm, 476 tq @2800, then holds 500 to 4400 and a gradual taper to 440 near redline

all on pump gas with a bit of ethanol

corrected for driveline losses it makes 642hp and 676 torque

A stock LQ4 burb puts down 230-240 Rear wheel HP

Great job Nick/Preston!

that should pull a 3k camper!

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #355 on: March 12, 2020, 08:53:50 PM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #356 on: March 12, 2020, 08:59:37 PM »
And you thought you wanted a stroker.

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #357 on: March 12, 2020, 09:04:17 PM »
Some pics from Nicks facebook page
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #358 on: March 12, 2020, 09:05:50 PM »
vids or it was all fabricated and photoshopped..

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #359 on: March 12, 2020, 09:21:58 PM »
That’s a pretty flat torque curve.


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« Reply #360 on: March 12, 2020, 09:24:11 PM »
That’s a pretty flat torque curve.


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That's diesel like torque from a decade or so in the past.

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #361 on: March 12, 2020, 09:28:35 PM »
nothing quite like some forced induction.

so when do you get to do some seat dyno runs??

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #362 on: March 12, 2020, 09:34:11 PM »
So let me not go back 6 months and find the post I made and then post “I told you so”.....

Can’t wait to see the smile on your face when you take it for your first spin. Hopefully not like that wheelie incident....


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« Reply #363 on: March 12, 2020, 09:35:55 PM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #364 on: March 12, 2020, 09:36:10 PM »
Meh, let's give him a challenge.. let's see him re-work a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Wait no, my wallet will hate me. So disregard.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #365 on: March 12, 2020, 10:03:00 PM »
nothing quite like some forced induction.

so when do you get to do some seat dyno runs??
Not for a little while

Since it was stuck in 4WD and I fiddled with the case, and another mechanic replaced a seal, I;m not fooling with it. Tomorrow it goes to a nearby performance transmission shop to get that case repaired. After that it will be FMC
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #366 on: March 12, 2020, 10:05:30 PM »
Except for some little punch out items, this final transfer case re-look should get me to fully mission capable and ready to go for a long haul.

And

Get some of the weight off my shoulders and allow me to stay on the camper project and bring that home as well.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #367 on: March 12, 2020, 10:56:20 PM »
Are you staying with the 35 inch tires or upgrading to 37s?  You mentioned the possibility a while back, but seemed undecided. I’m guessing you will wait until you get your seat dunk time.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #368 on: March 12, 2020, 11:43:58 PM »
Staying put until I get a chance to see how the new package works

I think this COVID-19 thing is about to put a damper on everyone's plans. I see where loads of businesses are closing their doors, schools closing their doors, and this national guard deployment to isolate that town in New York is a bit unsettling. Preview to something larger?? Martial law in areas??

Should any of that happen, well who knows what the vacation season this year will look like.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #369 on: March 13, 2020, 12:59:25 PM »
She makes torque for days!!
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #370 on: March 13, 2020, 01:09:51 PM »
I want that in my K5, but I guess I need to drop an LS engine in it first.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #371 on: March 13, 2020, 01:58:12 PM »
I want that in my K5, but I guess I need to drop an LS engine in it first.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #372 on: March 13, 2020, 02:10:51 PM »
Maybe I need to stop down and say hi. ;). It’s the neighborly thing to do, helping a fellow real man to clean out the excess engines in his shop.


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« Reply #373 on: March 13, 2020, 02:16:32 PM »
Maybe I need to stop down and say hi. ;). It’s the neighborly thing to do, helping a fellow real man to clean out the excess engines in his shop.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #374 on: March 13, 2020, 05:43:53 PM »
Speaking of COVID-19 a few posts back... WA governor just announced closure of ALL schools through at least April 24th. This is getting crazy.

Awesome news on the burb, though!
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #375 on: March 13, 2020, 09:01:59 PM »
Schools just closed here in Kintuckee as well. Likely for the rest of this school year.

The burb was taken to the transmission shop. We confirmed it is stuck in 4wd, so I probably cooked something inside the thing or assembled it incorrectly, dunno.

But the time to fret with this thing is past. Again, I'll leave it to the pros. They will get to it next week I am told
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #376 on: March 13, 2020, 10:16:42 PM »
Probably something simple Don, like the motor encoder. If you did something terribly wrong it would've grenaded by now.
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« Reply #377 on: March 14, 2020, 09:30:57 AM »
Probably something simple Don, like the motor encoder. If you did something terribly wrong it would've grenaded by now.

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #378 on: March 14, 2020, 10:53:53 AM »
Probably something simple Don, like the motor encoder. If you did something terribly wrong it would've grenaded by now.
Yea, probably so
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #379 on: March 16, 2020, 11:36:35 AM »
Schools just closed here in Kintuckee as well. Likely for the rest of this school year.

The burb was taken to the transmission shop. We confirmed it is stuck in 4wd, so I probably cooked something inside the thing or assembled it incorrectly, dunno.

But the time to fret with this thing is past. Again, I'll leave it to the pros. They will get to it next week I am told

could be a very simple clocking of the shift motor. they have to be installed a certain way that I can't recall at the moment, but you might mention to them before the dig too deep.

just noticed Ken's comment AFTER I posted this... looks like I'm the  :knucklehead:
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #380 on: March 16, 2020, 08:13:34 PM »
Probably something simple Don, like the motor encoder. If you did something terribly wrong it would've grenaded by now.
Ken/Tate

I don't recall, but does my transfer, which I seem to recall is the 246, have internal clutches? The guys at the transmission shop said it may have "coned the clutches" due to heat which would force it into 4WD Hi. They made that comment before ever seeing the vehicle, as in speculating what might have happened.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #381 on: March 16, 2020, 08:42:04 PM »
Does it have “Auto 4WD”?
I believe that is the variant that has the clutches.
Otherwise positive engagement on the non autos.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #382 on: March 16, 2020, 09:03:58 PM »
I didn't think the 3/4 tons had a 246,  but I also recall Tate correcting me on this build. A np246 has clutches.
Interesting they went straight to that theory instead of the motor/electrical.
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« Reply #383 on: March 16, 2020, 09:19:38 PM »
Or the motors checked OK.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #384 on: March 16, 2020, 11:18:46 PM »
He said they hadn't looked at it.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #385 on: March 17, 2020, 11:15:50 AM »
likely it was in 4hi when the motor was removed:

The shift motor should be removed from the transfer case in the 2Hi position. If for some reason it was not possible to shift the transfer case to 2Hi before removing the motor you can adjust the alignment of the motor by unlocking the shift motor to align it to the transfer case. Use a 9 volt battery and attach the positive side of the battery to the orange lead on the motor and the negative side to the tan lead. You should then hear a click from the motor and be able to turn the shift shaft on the motor. Be careful not to turn the shaft very far or you may cause internal damage to the motor.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #386 on: March 17, 2020, 02:42:33 PM »
likely it was in 4hi when the motor was removed:

The shift motor should be removed from the transfer case in the 2Hi position. If for some reason it was not possible to shift the transfer case to 2Hi before removing the motor you can adjust the alignment of the motor by unlocking the shift motor to align it to the transfer case. Use a 9 volt battery and attach the positive side of the battery to the orange lead on the motor and the negative side to the tan lead. You should then hear a click from the motor and be able to turn the shift shaft on the motor. Be careful not to turn the shaft very far or you may cause internal damage to the motor.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #387 on: March 17, 2020, 04:54:38 PM »
likely it was in 4hi when the motor was removed:

The shift motor should be removed from the transfer case in the 2Hi position. If for some reason it was not possible to shift the transfer case to 2Hi before removing the motor you can adjust the alignment of the motor by unlocking the shift motor to align it to the transfer case. Use a 9 volt battery and attach the positive side of the battery to the orange lead on the motor and the negative side to the tan lead. You should then hear a click from the motor and be able to turn the shift shaft on the motor. Be careful not to turn the shaft very far or you may cause internal damage to the motor.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #388 on: March 17, 2020, 06:56:07 PM »
I didn't think the 3/4 tons had a 246,  but I also recall Tate correcting me on this build. A np246 has clutches.
Interesting they went straight to that theory instead of the motor/electrical.

I asked him about clocking the motor, but he said that he thought they just bolted in in a fixed position. In any event, I don't think I removed that during my quickie rebuild.

And yes, this Burb has the autotrac and a NP246
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« Reply #389 on: March 17, 2020, 06:58:55 PM »
I went over there today but they hadn't gotten to it just yet. John said he hoped to get into the thing tomorrow
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #390 on: March 19, 2020, 12:56:38 AM »
Today the burb was pulled in to have the transfer case inspected and repaired. I don't know at the moment if the thing has been fixed or if the problem even sorted out.

On another topic, Nick texted me today with some interesting information. He just had a service guy from Mustang check out his dynamometer. And guess what? Its calibration was off to the low side. Nick texted me to let me know that my Suburban actually made more power than the chart had shown, by some percentage that he was not sure of. Well it won't take very much for that truck to be putting over 500 to the pavement and that is pretty impressive. That would also mean the thing is near or over 700 at the crank.

He asked me to bring it back down for a few more pulls when it gets fixed.
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« Reply #391 on: March 19, 2020, 03:35:08 AM »
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« Reply #392 on: March 19, 2020, 11:39:08 AM »
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« Reply #393 on: March 19, 2020, 01:38:38 PM »
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« Reply #394 on: March 19, 2020, 02:48:41 PM »
Wait, another fluid thread?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #395 on: March 19, 2020, 10:57:32 PM »
Not going to happen now, but I plan to build a custom fuel tank for the burbus to 1. get more fuels carried, and 2. build in a supply tank inside the main tank.
So I learned this from the Canadair jet I am type rated to fly. Inside the main tank is a circular fixture with inlet holes. That tank inside a tank holds six gallons and is just gravity fed. It prevents fuel starvation of those CF-34's when they spin up and make 14,400 pounds of thrust. The jet can accelerate right along, and the supply tank prevents the engine fuel intake from being uncovered.

Nick explained that on these trucks I need to keep the tank at 1/2 or better of rapid acceleration would cause the dual pumps inlets to become uncovered and the motor to get defueled.

But for now, I just want to get it driveable and completely serviceable.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #396 on: March 19, 2020, 11:54:45 PM »
Up here in Utah we have salt spreaders that mount to the hitch,  they have a funnel type hopper. We could put a lid on it and fuel line in the bottom,  the taper would keep the fuel directed where it needs to go.   Maybe a roof mount? Let gravity help?



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« Reply #397 on: March 20, 2020, 12:06:03 AM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #398 on: March 20, 2020, 07:58:49 PM »
This is the latest and greatest Don:

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/hydramat/hydramats/
First of all, Dave I assume you are kidding...Nuff said

Ken, didn't know about those. Gonna show Nick.

But welding up a jet type tank inside a tank would be super simple.

I need to learn how to weld aluminum. I figure I'd learn fabbing up the fuel tank for the burb. But that's later on, after COVID-19, after the trip (If its possible), after catching up at the farm, after the easter bunny, and maybe after santa claus!
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #399 on: March 22, 2020, 10:43:50 AM »
Sell it Don.

Get one of these.  Apparently made in the same neighborhood as The Hippy lives in


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