The Voyager GPS speedo/timer/computer thing...and the padding on the bars

And a big brake kit! Along with guards for the inverted forks!

So stock!!!!!!!

I'm liking this! ;)

Originally Posted by Armalite View Post
I agree...

Another question, for you or anyone who feels compelled to give their opinion...

I'm not saying it will or won't. I'm just giving a for instance example....

Everything goes down. Economy shuts down. Government dispatches the little hitlers. When and how does it get turned around? After all the big cities are finished killing each other off, and the rural people kill off each other, and no one else left but those who were smart enough to protect what is theirs; who pieces everything back together? I'm assuming I cant pick up the phone and give ol Don a call and say what's up? How do we all come together, as a group, organized militia, call it what you will ? Do we just survive in our bunkers until we perish? When do we go out, if ever, to find out if the America we once knew is begining to put itself back on track?

Like Don has already stated, God always has, does, and will protect his people. If it's my time to go, and he needs me up there, then Im ready. No fear, no doubt in my mind. He has and always will put me where I'm needed the most.

I want to put this country back on the right track, but I can't do it by sitting in a bunker waiting for my death. Don't take that statement the wrong way. I have a place to keep safe, as should everyone. But I refuse to sit back and hide the rest of my life. If I survive, I want to make this country right again...

You'll know. First of all, the people of the cities and urban areas will fall into pandomonia just like they always do and that will run it's course. The people of the country will likely not act in that manner. It is our custom to help one another and I see us doing more of that than killing one another. I mean how many riots have you seen across AMerica's farmlands?
I think we will organize and become tightly knit self dependent communities. Information will spread and some of us will have HAMM radios or other means of communicating. It won't be as cut and dry awful as you think.
When the mobs come to us they will be met with force, and they will likely not survive. All of that is pretty ugly.
My bigger concern is for eventual outsider intervention. China comes to mind. If the American dollar could be successfully wiped out like the goverment and Federal reserve appears to be attempting to do, it is questionable how the rest of the world fares. I mean we are pretty much the economic engine for the planet. We buy lots of stuff which energizes lots of countries.
But let's say they set up their own economies which don't include us. Iran is currently trying to open it's own oil market based on gold and not the US dollar, and outside of OPEC. THat is not good for us. THat is why we will want to invade and destroy them although we will generate some artificial reason, like they are getting the bomb, their human rights abuses or something like that.
But let's say China or western asia is able to pull it out, and restabilize. Well that giant glut of a machine still would need oil wouldn't it? And who has most of the oil? IF you said the US and Canada, post a gold star!
So a severly weakened third world nation with a battered goverment although still possessing nukes might need to be stabilized. I see the UN using Chinese troops as a viable stabilizing force. Believe it or not, that is our biggest fight, when our own goverment gives us fully over to the UN for help. Of course, we would never recover from that as a nation and simply be absorbed into that culture, albeit as second class citizens or slave workers.
What I find amazing is that a lot of you find this amazing. Speaks a lot about our education, awareness and the ability to think.
Well, I have said it before nad I believe it, that although the deck is clearly stacked against us and there are now more idiots than rational people it is coming. I still believe God will protect and deliver his people simply because someone needs to do his work. Although having said that Americans are becoming less and less his people. We rush headlong toward becoming a society of God haters, while believe it or not, Christianity in China is growing like crazy. Indeed we may be lost except for pockets of us here and there and evangalized by Chinese. Think about it, could happen.
America suffers from amensia and selfishness. Hard to reach poeple when they are comfortably cruising toward their destruction with narry a thought of something bad coming their way except maybe a missed episode of gold rush...
Shawn says tribe is important...man is he correct!

From Shawn:

Something worth mentioning, we were as a nation created through revolt of the largest military in the world at the time. Their musket was our AR15 per say, not alot different then as it is today if you think in these terms. Three percent were all that fought the largest military in the world. To me that is amazing & I believe (contrary to alot of peoples opinions) that they were very godly men.

Bloodshed and armed conflict, this may be something the majority has never experienced I myself included. However, with that stated I grew up in a relatively free country. I have three children of my own and countless nieces and nephews. If I am to be remembered for one thing it is that I would not bow to evil, ever.

From Shawn:

First off I want to say to all our Servicemen on here & within earshot that I am truly sorry. I'm sorry that you have fought all these years for us and now that it is your time to rest you will likely be called into the fold once more. I'm ashamed at the apparent majority of Americans who act anything but. The only thing I can guarantee you is that my off spring will not act in this manner if I have anything to say about it.

Second, Don touched base on this whole idea of driving off into the mountains and setting up Eden (he was really snickering as he wrote it). I would quickly come to the realization on a couple of things. That being if you are a few hours from said mountains & / or they are across said state lines you will probably not make it there. One of the first things they will do is start cracking down on travel (do you have your papers might be a new catch phrase?). Next is the fact if you do make it there the locals can probably spot you a mile off just in the way you walk. I personally am from NE IN. and have spent alot of time in SE KY wheeling. Great people down there but there is no way for me to fit in within a short amount of time or for that matter the weeks on end I spent there each year for about five years straight.

Something else to think about is resources. Most people know where the local ones are because they have lived where they are currently most of their lives or at least a few years. Those that have not should start networking now hard core & how do you measure trust? My way is with time normally, get started. I also know the majority of the good guys or should I say old school that I can create a network with whether it be trade or for help. I also have wandered these stomping grounds enough to know how to get lost quickly (on purpose) not to mention the lay of the land burned into my head. I don't need any topo maps however don't overlook hard copies of these as they can be invaluable even for barter possibly.

What do you make of this:


The latest from “DHS Insider” (Part I)


By Douglas J. Hagmann
Introduction
23 December 2012: After a lengthy, self-imposed informational black-out, my high-level DHS contact known as “Rosebud” emerged with new, non-public information about plans being discussed and prepared for implementation by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in the near future. It is important to note that this black-out was directly related to the aggressive federal initiative of identifying and prosecuting “leakers,” at least those leaks and leakers not sanctioned by the executive office – the latter of which there are many.

Due to those circumstances, my source exercised an abundance of caution to avoid compromising a valuable line of communication until he had information he felt was significant enough to risk external contact. The following information is the result of an in-person contact between this author and “Rosebud” within the last 48 hours. With his permission, the interview was digitally recorded and the relevant portions of the contact are provided in a conversational format for easier reading. The original recording was copied onto multiple discs and are maintained in secure locations for historical and insurance purposes.
Meeting
The following began after an exchange of pleasantries and other unrelated discussion:
DH: Do I have your permission to record this conversation?
RB: You do.
DH: I’ve received a lot of e-mail from people wondering where you went and why you’ve been so quiet.
RB: As I told you earlier, things are very dicey. Weird things began to happen before the election and have continued since. Odd things, a clampdown of sorts. I started looking and I found [REDACTED AT THE REQUEST OF THIS SOURCE], and that shook me up. I’m not the only one, though, that found a [REDACTED], so this means there’s surveillance of people within DHS by DHS. So, that explains this cloak and dagger stuff for this meeting.
DH: I understand. What about the others?
RB: They are handling it the same way.
DH: I’ve received many e-mails asking if you are the same person giving information to Ulsterman. Are you?
RB: No, but I think I know at least one of his insiders.
DH: Care to elaborate?
RB: Sorry, no.
DH: Do you trust him or her. I mean, the Ulsterman source?
RB: Yes.
DH: Okay, so last August, you said things were “going hot.” I printed what you said, and things did not seem to happen as you said.
RB: You’d better recheck your notes and compare [them] with some of the events leading up to the election. I think you’ll find that a full blown campaign of deception took place to make certain Obama got back into office. The polls, the media, and a few incidents that happened in the two months before the election. I guess if people are looking for some big event they can point to and say “aha” for verification, well then I overestimated people’s ability to tell when they are being lied to.
DH: What specific incidents are you referring to?
RB: Look at the threats to Obama. Start there. The accusations of racism. Then look at the polls, and especially the judicial decisions about voter ID laws. Bought and paid for, or where there was any potential for problems, the judges got the message, loud and clear. Then look at the voter fraud. And not a peep from the Republicans. Nothing. His second term was a done deal in September. This was planned. Frankly, the Obama team knew they had it sewn up long before election day. Benghazi could have derailed them, but the fix was in there, so I never saw anything on my end to suggest a ready-made solution had to be implemented.
DH: What’s going on now?
RB: People better pay close attention over the next few months. First, there won’t be any meaningful deal about the fiscal crisis. This is planned, I mean, the lack of deal is planned. In fact, it’ necessary to pave the way for what is in the short term agenda.
DH: Wait, you’re DHS – not some Wall Street insider.
RB: So you think they are separate agendas? That’s funny. The coming collapse of the U.S. dollar is a done deal. It’s been in the works for years – decades, and this is one of the most important cataclysmic events that DHS is preparing for. I almost think that DHS was created for that purpose alone, to fight Americans, not protect them, right here in America. But that’s not the only reason. There’s the gun issue too.
DH: So, what are you seeing at DHS?
RB: We don’t have a lot of time, tonight – our meeting – as well as a country. I mean I have heard – with my own ears – plans being made that originate from the White House that involve the hierarchy of DHS. You gotta know how DHS works at the highest of levels. It’s Jarrett and Napolitano, with Jarrett organizing all of the plans and approaches. She’s the one in charge, at least from my point of view, from what I am seeing. Obama knows that’s going on and has say, but it seems that Jarrett has the final say, not the other way around. It’s [screwed] up. This really went into high gear since the election.
But it’s a train wreck at mid management, but is more effective at the lower levels. A lot of police departments are being gifted with federal funds with strings attached. That money is flowing out to municipal police departments faster than it can be counted. They are using this money to buy tanks, well, not real tanks, but you know what I mean. DHS is turning the police into soldiers.
By the way, there has been a lot of communication recently between Napolitano and Pistole [TSA head]. They are planning to use TSA agents in tandem with local police for certain operations that are being planned right now. This is so [deleted] important that you cannot even begin to imagine. If you get nothing else out of this, please, please make sure you tell people to watch the TSA and their increasing involvement against the American public. They are the stooges who will be the ones to carry out certain plans when the dollar collapses and the gun confiscation begins.
DH: Whoa, wait a minute. You just said a mouthful. What’s the agenda here?
RB: Your intelligence insider – he knows that we are facing a planned economic collapse. You wrote about this in your articles about Benghazi, or at least that’s what I got out of the later articles. So why the surprise?
DH: There’s a lot here. Let’s take it step by step if you don’t mind.
RB: Okay, but I’m not going to give it to you in baby steps. Big boy steps. This is what I am hearing. Life for the average American is going to change significantly, and not the change people expect. First, DHS is preparing to work with police departments and the TSA to respond to civil uprisings that will happen when there is a financial panic. And there will be one, maybe as early as this spring, when the dollar won’t get you a gumball. I’m not sure what the catalyst will be, but I’ve heard rumblings about a derivatives crisis as well as an oil embargo. I don’t know, that’s not my department. But something is going to happen to collapse the dollar, which has been in the works since the 1990′s. Now if it does not happen as soon as this, it’s because there are people, real patriots, who are working to prevent this, so it’s a fluid dynamic. But that doesn’t change the preparations.
And the preparations are these: DHS is prepositioning assets in strategic areas near urban centers all across the country. Storage depots. Armories. And even detainment facilities, known as FEMA camps. FEMA does not even know that the facilities are earmarked for detainment by executive orders, at least not in the traditional sense they were intended. By the way, people drive by some of these armories everyday without even giving them a second look. Commercial and business real estate across the country are being bought up or leased for storage purposes. Very low profile.
Anyway, I am hearing that the plan from on high is to let the chaos play out for a while, making ordinary citizens beg for troops to be deployed to restore order. but it’s all organized to make them appear as good guys. That’s when the real head knocking will take place. We’re talking travel restrictions, which should no be a problem because gas will be rationed or unavailable. The TSA will be in charge of travel, or at least be a big part of it. They will be commissioned, upgraded from their current status.
They, I mean Jarrett and Obama as well as a few others in government, are working to create a perfect storm too. This is being timed to coincide with new gun laws.
DH: New federal gun laws?
RB: Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed. Look, there is something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be called a kook or worse.
DH: Sure
RB: But Sandy Hook, there’s something very wrong there. But I am hearing that won’t be the final straw. There will be another if they think it’s necessary.
DH: Another shooting?
RB: Yes.
DH: That would mean they are at least complicit.
RB: Well, that’s one way of looking at it.
DH: Are they? Were they?
RB: Do your own research. Nothing I say, short of bringing you photographs and documents will convince anyone, and even then, it’s like [DELETED] in the wind.
DH: So…
RB: So what I’m telling you is that DHS, the TSA and certain, but not all, law enforcement agencies are going to be elbow deep in riot control in response to an economic incident. At the same time or close to it, gun confiscation will start. It will start on a voluntary basis using federal registration forms, then an amnesty, then the kicking-in of doors start.
Before or at the same time, you know all the talk of lists, you know, the red and blue lists that everyone made fun of? Well they exist, although I don’t know about their colors. But there are lists of political dissidents maintained by DHS. Names are coordinated with the executive branch, but you know what? They did not start with Obama. They’ve been around in one form or another for years. The difference though is that today, they are much more organized. And I’ll tell you that the vocal opponents of the politics of the global elite, the bankers, and the opponents of anything standing in their way, well, they are on the top of the list of people to be handled.
DH: Handled?
RB: As the situations worsen, some might be given a chance to stop their vocal opposition. Some will, others won’t. I suppose they are on different lists. Others won’t have that chance. By that time, though, it will be chaos and people will be in full defensive mode. They will be hungry, real hunger like we’ve never experienced before. They will use our hunger as leverage. They will use medical care as leverage.
DH: Will this happen all at once?
RB: They hope to make it happen at the same time. Big cities first, with sections being set apart from the rest of the country. Then the rural areas. There are two different plans for geographical considerations. But it will all come together.
End of Part I
In Pursuit of the Truth...

Civil aviation, especially helicopter operators define that as "Flat Light."
It's where everything blends together, sort of like "cross-Over" with FLIR systems.
Vertigo is actually the spinning sensation you get when motion is introduced into all three of the semi circular canals at once. Your body is then giving you conflicting signals to what your eyes and seat of the pants are telling you. People often get sick immediately when that happens.
When I'd be flying around with one of you knuckleheads in the cockpit I had lots of little tricks I'd play. One that worked well was to point over th the left for example. When my victium looked left I'd roll hard right, take it a ball width out of trim then pitch back. The crew chiefs hated me doing that, but they knew if they complained too loudly, I push over and play cieling tag with them for awhile
Anywho, you'll be OK! Take two asprins, get plenty of rest, and write me in the morning!

From Ashley:

Had a few things come to me this morning on my quiet drive to work in the dark. Most of the power is out down here due to the wind, so it was quite surreal to drive in pitch black, where there is normally light.

Someone spoke to me, and said this could be the normal. This could be our future. So I thought about that. Imagine all the roads you travel day to day. If you travel in the dark, like I do everyday, think of all the lights, gas stations, houses, security lights ect. that are running. Everything is lit up. You can see where you are going.

Now, cut the power to everything. It gets pitch black. Eerily black. What if that becomes our normal? If this war is coming, I feel that we will be experiencing a lot more "roads in the dark". Willing or not. That feeling of being by yourself, may become the normal feeling. We may be sitting around remembering the days that we had electricity, and lights that revealed where we were going...

About halfway through my jaunt, during the middle of a prayer, I began to be questioned. Here were the questions...

"You want to know why I let these trajedies happen?"

"Everyone wants to know why these shootings occur."

"How could God let this happen?"

Then these questions were followed by answers...

"I created you. Each and everyone of you, in my image. You are my children. Now, you have rebuked me. You have taken me out of the courts. I created those courts for you, and now you think you can handle it by yourself, so I was removed. I created the schools that you learned in, and that your children will be taught in. You removed me from the schools, so I guess you think you have that under control as well. Sporting events can no longer involve me. So much for all the physical abilities you recieved because of me. Guess that was all you, and didnt need my hand at all. Now look at your country. This great country I spent thousands of years preparing for you. It was founded by godly men. By men with principal, character. Now you feel you dont need that anymore. Who cares about principal, or doing whats right. It's all about who can give you the most, without requiring any effort on your part. So you want to run the country your way, and not mine anymore."

"Everyone wants to know why and how. Look at who is running things now. I tried, but I created you to have free will. Free choice. I have always been there to help, and Im still here. But, you think you are better. You know better, and I'm no longer needed. So, I step aside, because that is what you want isnt it? If not, then I would still be involved in everything that I have created for you. So, this country will continue to be run by your own. When you have had enough, if you ever do, I will still be here. I can still take care of things, but only if Im desired to do so."

"You ask how and why everytime there is a tragic event. I ask myself everyday, how and why, the people I created, could turn against all I have prepared for you."

Thought maybe a few more people out there needed to hear what I heard this morning. Needless to say, I had a very humbling drive to work this morning....

Originally Posted by nmeyer414 View Post
don, i almost thought for a minute that you forgot about your CIEMR thread, you have not posted for us here of late?! how is the bug that was going around your house? every body get ride of it? how shtat new piece of land you were looking at coming along?

Bug gone, but well used here!
Land purchase is stumbling along. It is a typical kentucky back woods deal. No deeded access, although the law gurantees it. No great boundary markers, just a pile of rocks to an old oak tree to a bend in the creek, stuff like that. In fact the seller told me it was 95 acres, he thought. Now my lawyer who is processing the sale says it is likely larger than 110 acres. It turns out I will also own part of a creek bottom which another farm is using as a tobacco field. Heck, I thought that piece was his land.
My Lawyer tells me we can get it done, but he won't bring me to the closing table until it's right.

OK, Nate got me fired up this morning! You know in a different world in a different time I would have loved to have him as my platoon sergeant. We could have had some good coffees and discussions together! My typical relationship with NCO's is to constantly argue with them and on occasion mud wrestle with the big ones, or arm wrestle, but always hassle them. Seems I was born to that task. But behind closed doors, we were buddies and I supported the good ones all the way.

THere is a lesson here I want to pass on those of you that have the brains to get this. I am paying cash for the place. I am paying cash to fix up the road, and paying cash for a tempo trailer to put on the property and to fix up the house. I did that because throughout my life I used a diciplined investing and saving principle. Additionally, since Finding God and Jesus, I have tithed. Remember the part in the bible where GOd himself actually invites us to call us out? He says you give 10% of your earnings as a tithe, (Not that he needs it) and he will bless us. I can say, that his blessings and not as much my savings is getting all this done. It is not luck, not some great stock deal I made, because I have made far more poor ones that good trades. No sir, Jesus has had my back and provided and blessed us beyond my dreams.
Now he may take it all back tomorrow, that's his call, and I'm good with that, heck I/you/we are only here on this earth for a short time, sort of a temp job if you will, so in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter.

So I say to you as I have in the past. first: Find Jesus and get to know him and his Father who has made all things. I mean seriously, get to know him. Next get his TM, err, the bible which is our instruction book for life and read it. Figure out what he is telling you and do it. Spend every day in prayer to him about seven hundred times a day, for he asks us to pray about and ask all things. Do all that and that will automatically equate to a balanced life of humble servitude to your neighbor. I sometimes have a hard time with that. I have knocked some of them about the head and shoulders as of recent times, and I am not fond of Muslims and other God haters, but I consider myself a work in progress.

You do those things, (Not the muslim dislike stuff) and you too will find your yoke and your burden light. Fight God, deny him and he will give you over th the devil who has more ways to keep you busy and snowed under than wal mart has hillbillies during a mud tire and shotgun shell sale!
Be good Y'all!

Another:


In my many years I have come to a
conclusion that one useless man
is a shame, two is a law firm,
and three or more is a congress.
-Mark Twain

Read this recently, very comforting (Not!):

Before the presidential election, I got the idea to commission a scientific poll to find out what Muslim-Americans really think – and how it might affect their votes.
The results were eye-opening and alarming. They should be to every American who believes in the U.S. Constitution and Judeo-Christian morality.
Here’s the overview from 30,000 feet:
• Nearly half of those polled, a scientific sampling of 600, said parodies of Muhammad should be criminally prosecuted with offenders given punishments as severe as the death penalty;
• 40 percent of Muslims believe they should not be judged by U.S. law and the Constitution, but by Shariah standards and Islamic judges;
• Only 30 percent believe Christians have a right to evangelize Muslims;
• 20 percent say Muslim men should be allowed to have more than one wife;
• 58 percent said any criticism of their religion should not be allowed under the Constitution – even while nine of 10 said they support the First Amendment;
• One in three said Israel has no right to exist or were uncertain about it;
• 72 percent said they would definitely be voting for Barack Obama, while another 8.5 percent were leaning in that direction;
• Only 11 percent were supporting Mitt Romney at the time – just days before the November vote;
• About 55 percent said the U.S. is generally on the right track.
Now, maybe you question the authenticity or reliability of this survey. Maybe you think it was biased. Maybe you think the sampling of Muslims, 98 percent of whom have U.S. citizenship, wasn’t large enough.
Well, shortly after WND commissioned this survey by respected pollster Fritz Wenzel, another similar survey was commissioned by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, which bills itself as a Muslim civil-rights organization but which in fact is a Muslim Brotherhood front group.
The results were strikingly similar – at least on the questions asked in both surveys. This CAIR survey, conducted on a smaller sampling of 500, received extensive coverage by the media.
The CAIR survey found:
• 68 percent of Muslim-Americans planned to vote for vote for Obama with 7 percent going for Romney;
• 66 percent said they identify with the Democratic Party, while only 9 percent affiliated as Republicans.
In other words, the CAIR survey validates the Wenzel poll – even though it didn’t seek answers on some of the more troubling issues of the law and constitutional liberties.
So what are the takeaways from this first survey of Muslim-Americans about Islamism and Shariah?
The Pew Research Center estimates America is home to 2.6 million Muslims. Groups like CAIR put the numbers much higher – by a factor of two or three times.
Whatever the real numbers are, Americans have reason to be concerned about continued immigration of Muslims into the U.S. when so many already here, including those who have established citizenship, have values and beliefs that stand in stark contrast to the Constitution sand the values and beliefs that shaped it.
Already, massive immigration of Muslims has changed the very character of much of Europe, where special Shariah courts have been established, creating societies with entirely different legal standards.
Do we really want that for America?
In fact, we need to ask ourselves how many people who took oaths to uphold the Constitution to obtain their citizenship really meant it. Is that standard sufficient for Muslims, who are encouraged by their faith to deceive if it furthers the cause of Islam?
“Multiculturalism” is much in vogue in the U.S. But if blind allegiance to a nice-sounding phrase of inclusiveness spells the eventual doom of our national heritage, is it really the right path to follow?
Quite simply, we need to collectively and individually ask ourselves a simple question: Is continued immigration into the U.S. by Muslims in the best interest of preserving our liberties?

Since we frequently address survival "Prepper" topics, Here's a good one I came across recently.
I'd suggest those interested print out these suggestions, articles, guides, and plans and make up a book to be used as reference later.

This topic deals with leadership. Watching the prepper shows on TV, I see this sort of thing cropping up. A good leader is hard to come by, from my 2.5 decades in the military, I have seen this first hand and can give names to each of these pseudo leaders.

THe concept of community is all important with specialists and cross training amongst the various members. Watch, wait, and listen and the leader will appear over time and usually after some difficult tests. A good leader can get you through, where as a poor one can get you dead. So spend more time than the US population used to select our current leader and be aware of both good and poor leadership traits.
In my view a good leader can make decent decisions but usually will not make them hastily. HE will seek the counsel of trusted individuals and not rely on only him/herself for all the answers. He/She needs to be fairly well experienced and with tough things like life and death. He/she needs not be controlling, however strong enough to make a difficult decision and stand by it.
Here are some descriptions of poor leadership:


Being forced to endure and survive a catastrophic macro event like a monetary or social collapse is perhaps one of the worst experiences I could imagine. Such a crisis leads to just about every crime and inhuman action in existence, and the time required for a culture to right itself and rebuild is severely protracted. A hurricane, earthquake or tidal wave is a short-lived calamity that is easy in comparison. As survivalists who are preparing to make an economic endgame scenario as comfortable to live through as we can, it is incumbent upon us to consider the kind of company we keep during the gambit. Some allies will make that mad world bearable; others will bring the madness to your doorstep.

Many preppers are aware of the dangers inherent in our progressively deteriorating Nation. Unfortunately, some of them are completely unaware of the dangers inherent within themselves. Building a solid community of people to rely on during a collapse is absolutely essential, and the larger the group of liberty-minded neighbors the better. But if certain ground rules are not established from the very beginning, a rainbow of personal issues and character flaws could very well destroy years of effort. Care must be taken by all parties involved to ensure that internal conflicts remain at a minimum and that, when they do arise, each person is wise enough to resolve issues in an adult manner.

I hate to say it, but you will inevitably run into some folks who are beyond compromise and beyond hope. Working with them is like pulling teeth — shark’s teeth — from your jugular. Here are just a handful of powder-keg personalities who will make the apocalypse more than a living hell for you and your friends if they manage to latch onto or take leadership in your survival watch.

The Assumed Leader

The assumed leader is not actually a reliable or practical leader; he just thinks he is. And he loudly reminds everyone that he is whenever he can find occasion. He does not generally do this by screaming, “I am your leader!” Instead, he attempts to micromanage every aspect of the survival group and shows early signs of control issues. The assumed leader will first make forceful suggestions to test the waters, scoffing angrily whenever people do not strictly follow his advice. If he gains traction, his suggestions turn into orders, and he begins to act as though he is somehow in a superior position to the rest of the community.

He seems to have an answer to every question or concern, which would be nice if he actually knew what he was talking about half of the time. Usually, this is not the case. He may have expertise in a certain field, like farming, building, engineering or even defense; that expertise is indeed valuable. However, his mastery of one area of knowledge has inflated his ego to massive proportions and he now pretends as if he is some kind of hyper-educated elitist potentate. When approached with alternative options and methods, he will respond with ridicule as if you have no clue what you are talking about. When his ideas are criticized, he will react with fury and try to remove dissenters from the community entirely.

The best way to avoid these people is to discover them early in your prepping project, and to make certain that no one becomes a de facto dictator. Every person with particular expertise within the community should be deferred to in that particular field, but not given authority over all decisions. The experienced farmer should lead when it comes to farming, but step aside when it comes to defense and vice versa. Keep in mind that the best leaders always ask those around them for aid and advice before coming to any conclusion. The worst leaders assume they already know everything.

The Feudal Lord

The feudal lord is an assumed leader who has managed to lure other preppers into a commune rather than a community, and there is a considerable difference. He is often a well-off survivalist who has suddenly realized that he is basically defenseless to protect all his money, land and supplies and that he needs an organized group to protect his bounty. He entices other preppers into the fold with ideas that he is building a legitimate and fair community. Since he has land available, many take interest. The problem is that the feudal lord believes that since he owns the land the group is defending, he’s automatically the grand poobah. He sees the other preppers not as equals, but as servants and serfs.

The reality is, the feudal lord’s land and supplies are utterly meaningless without security and without aid. His survival riches can be taken in an instant by a mere handful of looters or even one experienced raider. Without other people, treated as equals in survival and ready to lay down their lives to protect each other and him, he has nothing. He is foolhardy to think otherwise.

This is not to say that all landowners who try to centralize a group on their property are seeking to become mini-kings of a mini-kingdom. If rules and agreements are made early on and everyone understands their role, then such an arrangement could work. But if the landowner purposely avoids set agreements, appoints roles to people without asking them and changes the plan regularly to suit himself, then it’s time to walk away before it’s too late. Eventually, he will use his position as landowner as a means to dominate and will threaten to cast out people who disagree with his methods.

The best way to avoid these characters and the commune situation altogether is to not centralize on a single piece of land, but to organize in a neighborhood fashion wherein everyone maintains sovereign control of what they do and all aid is voluntary.

The Moral Relativist

There is, sadly, a small subsection of survivalists out there who do not plan to live off their own preps; they plan to confiscate the preps of others by force and solve every problem at the barrel of a gun. In their mind, a crisis situation calls for the abandonment of conscience and the application of a “survival of the fittest” mentality. They believe that morals are all well and good when civilized society remains, but a source of weakness during catastrophe. Their philosophy is: Only the strongest of men will be able to set aside principle and “do what needs to be done.” That is to say, they believe you must become the monster to defeat the monster.

In fact, only men who are able to hold onto their principles during the worst moments are strong. Weak men run away from conscience, using the excuse that times are “different and difficult.” They are not survivalists; they are terrorists in every sense.

These people should be avoided like the plague. They will make enemies wherever they go, ask you to do questionable things and push your community into annihilation. Eventually, somebody is going to put them out of their misery, and it’s best to not be around when that happens.

The Obsessive

The obsessive is a person whose drive is initially impressive but also ultimately destructive. His entire life revolves around survival prepping and impending doom. Certainly, it is better to be overly concerned about the economic crisis on the horizon than to be utterly oblivious. A smart man over-prepares. But there is such a thing as overkill, even in the world of survivalism.

No one can ever do enough fast enough in this person’s eyes. He will whine constantly about how he is the only one taking preparations seriously and how everyone else is a lazy bum. He will become frantic on a daily basis, admonishing the group or community on their lack of urgency. In a leadership position, this person is a nightmare, creating constant waves of tension and panic instead of calmly offering solutions or constructive criticism.

The obsessive’s motto is, “Let me tell you how you are wrong and why you are lazy,” instead of, “Tell me how I can help you fix this.”

We all need a break once in a while from the horrors we know are waiting for us. To step back and enjoy what we can of a beautiful day or good people is not the same as being a freeloader or a backslider within your prepper group. Survival is about more than sustaining the body; it is also about sustaining the heart and the mind. Otherwise, what is the point of living?

The Ulterior Motive Drama Queen

The drama queen is loosely interested in survivalism but wants to join your community for other reasons — and these reasons may cause many members dismay. The opposite of the obsessive, you’ll notice a strange non-involvement on his part or lack of interest as far as participating in survival discussion and decision making. He will often hand over all his survival preparation plans to others while hovering like a gnat around the community searching for that special something.

The drama queen may be looking for friends and social recognition. He may be afraid of collapse and simply trying to lock into any group regardless of whether he fits, becoming disenchanted later. He may enjoy the excitement of feeling like he is involved, and he is living vicariously through the accomplishments of others. He may just be looking for a date. Ultimately, his primary objective is not to build a working community, but to get something out of the community beyond safety.

If he does not get what he wants, he raises hell, using whatever excuse happens to be handy without ever admitting his real motivations. He will deliberately start unnecessary drama, attempt to create divisions, focus on one person as the cause of all his troubles or blame the whole group for the heartache in his life. He will attempt to draw everyone into his personal soap opera in the hopes of becoming the focal point, sharing strange and extremely private issues with anyone who accidentally offers to listen.

Eventually, he will be seen for what he is and will lose the ear of the other preppers, who obviously have better things to worry about, but only after wreaking some havoc in the process.

The Zealot

The zealot has a perfect picture in his mind of how his survival community is going to look — absolutely perfect. The problem is that all people are imperfect and all have different conceptions of life, and this disturbs and disrupts the zealot’s fantasy. It is one thing to be careful about whom you associate with when assembling a prepper organization, but it is entirely another to hold everyone to insane standards that even you cannot meet.

The zealot generally wants to be in charge so that he can vet and control each member of the group, but this is not always the case. Zealots are also sometimes highly antisocial, showing interest in a group for a short time and then suddenly walking away as if no one is up to par. He may base his zealotry on a misplaced religious fervor or philosophical inflexibility, but he will not be happy until everyone sees the world the way he does or until others meet his grandiose brand of moral flawlessness. For him, it is not enough that the community of preppers around him shares a love for liberty and a disdain for tyranny, the preppers must also be “spiritually pure” in his eyes.

One mistake or disagreement by a member of the group earns him a black mark on the zealot’s list which he never forgets. From then on, that member is the enemy, and the zealot will engineer conflict after conflict until the person gives up and goes away or until he can convince the group that the person is more trouble than he is worth.

The great dilemma for any survivalist is to balance personal freedom and a peaceful home life with the reality he will not last long without relying on a group. Other people bring talent, friendship and safety to our lives, but they also bring baggage. The key is to work with those who know how to manage as much of their own baggage as possible, who are aware of themselves and are willing to police their own quirks and who have not leapt off a cliff into extreme disturbia. No survival community can withstand the savage assault of national collapse otherwise.

I like em' all except for the nagnant. POJ
For war fighting:
Rifle AK47, M4
Shotgun: Mossberg 500. or Remington 870 depending on whether you perfer the safety on top or by the trigger. Me, it's simple safety on top, push forward to go bang (Mossberg)
Pistol: Glock 19
The only calibers you need to collect"
.22LR, 9mm X 18 luger, .45 ACP, (maybe .40) 12 gage, 7.62 X 39, 7.62 X 51, 5.56 X 45 (rem .223)
That's it, all you need.
.22 removes pests like rats and rioters and kills rabbits and squirrels
9mm stops someone attacking you PDQ
.45 stops tanks or anything smaller with one shot. Get hit in the toe with a .45 and you're a gonner!
12 gage does everything to killing squirrels to knocking doors out of the way to shooting through cinder block walls for those pesky fleeing criminals who just stole your best bottle of wine, to knocking out lights, to windshields, to, well the hoover dam!
7.62 X 39 is everywhere. In face excavate anywhere on earth and you will find a 8" layer of the stuff just after the triassic era!
5.56 X 45 (223 Rem) same as above, newer layer, have to dig through them to get to the rusky stuff
Swing a dead cat and you'll hit several boxes of the two above rifle rounds.
On the AK stuff, having been on the recieving end of those things, I don't like them. I don't like stuff that hurts me. I really don't like them, neither do my aircraft which they made whistle after meeting!
7.62 X 51 Fairly common, good hunting and anti personnel round out to 800 meters. Can you see further than that?

From Bobby:

Ok so I've been reading on here and other places about SHTF and TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it , no I do NOT think the world is going to end on dec 12 or 21st or whatever it is) stuff and the debate between calibers (5.56 vs 7.62 vs 5.45). I jut believe in being prepared for whatever comes, i.e. natural disaster,zombies or what not. I saw this post and I think the guy pretty much spoke truth. These are his words.

"To my military mind, although we get excited by make, model, physics, nationalism ("Amer'Can made" verses "Comblock"), what it comes down to is what you can do the work of life with. I choose my weapon system based on the same line of thought I choose my survivor friends: Who do I trust? Who is reliable? Who is available? Who brings what skills? Who is tough?

It seems the best defense in SHTF or welfare-ocolypse scenarios (when the government is unable to pay out checks and the "have-nots" attack the "haves") is to lay low. If it ever comes down, I do not intend to make a fortress that looks like it can repel any invader. I intend to all but dissapear. Thugs will always outnumber survivors, can always overtake defensive barriers. What they can't always do is see the unseen. If I get into squad or platoon level firefight, I have misplanned. I can use natural surroundings as a defense before I ever have to fire around. In a close quarters attack (0-250 meters) the AK and AR have different strengths. I know my AK can plug through an 8 inch aspen, but I know an AR has a smother firing rate due to the buffer-spring. But in many ways, they are on equal footing in a close fight: They will both poke holes in a man.

When it comes to distance, I intend not to fire. I intend to bug out, always moving. If I am contained by circumstance, such as seeing robbery or rape from a distance which I feel to stop, my Mosin-Nagant gives me a solution to around 800m. Same with my 7mm Mag.

In short, both are fine calibers and fine weapon systems. Take the one you know, trust, is accessible, and live. Also, as with anything, diversify (large caliber/combat caliber/small and pistol)."

Came across this decent list of a "72 hour survival kit. Anyone knows you can survive 72 hours with your skin alone, but here's a non civil unrest comfy american list which isn't too bad really. No way to protect yourself or deal with more serious wounds but gets you thinking

Here it is:

Your evacuation kit needs a three-day supply of food, water, and clothing. But have you included these six things that could make the difference in your ability to successfully cope with calamity?

Mistake #1 – No Money. Not having any cash in your emergency kit is a huge mistake. When disaster strikes, electricity is often wiped out. Without electricity, that handy ATM down the street won't work and the corner grocery store can't process your credit card.

Cash – at least $100 per person – in small bills and rolls of quarters is essential to your survival. After all, you don't want to be selling a granola bar because you need an aspirin. Also, carrying small bills will allow you to pay $2 for that aspirin instead of $20.


Mistake #2 – No Documents. In an emergency, you'll automatically grab your wallet with your driver's license and credit cards inside. However, having the following documents in a recloseable plastic bag already packed will give you peace of mind after the immediacy of the situation is over:


Contact List. You probably keep the name of your insurance agent, your sister who lives across the country, and other important people in your phone or on your computer. If you can't access your electronic devices you may not be able to contact anyone.

Having a hard-copy contact list is imperative – especially if at the time of the disaster some of your family members are separated from each other. Being able to call a specified contact person reassures everyone.

Emergency Meeting Places. You're not with your family all the time, which is why it's good to have two meet-up places. One location should be near your home. The other could be a few miles away. Keep the address and a map of each location in your 72-hour kit. Again, in a time of stress you might not be able to remember whether you're meeting at Rock Park or Central Park. So have it written down. Even better, have a dry run so everyone will remember the meet-up spot and how to get there.

Insurance Card. Obviously if you're hurt, you'll need medical attention. Having your insurance card handy will help you get through the paperwork quickly.

Medical information. A list of your medical conditions, allergies, and prescriptions is also invaluable if you need medical assistance. Even if you've packed your medications, take a list as well.

Insurance policies. During a disaster, you might not be able to contact your insurance agent. Having copies of your home and auto policies will ease your mind. You won't wonder if your smashed car or flooded basement is covered.

Other Documents. FEMA recommends you have copies of your Birth Certificate, Social Security Card/Green Card, Passport, and Living Will in your 72-Hour kit. These documents are not as vital as the above papers, but they could come in handy.

Mistake #3 – No Medications. You don't want to evacuate only to discover you left your insulin in the fridge or your heart pills on the counter. You won't be able to call your pharmacy. If possible, have at least a week's worth of your current medications packed. By refilling your prescriptions a few days early each month, you can stock up on extra pills. (Most insurance companies allow you to refill a prescription two to three days early.) Just be sure to rotate these pills every year.

Included with medications are special supplies, like a glucose meter. If you can't get an extra piece of equipment, at least put it on your Go List.

Mistake #4 – No Glasses. Stress may prevent you from even being able to see your glasses on the counter! If you have an extra pair in your 72-hour kit, you'll always know where a pair of glasses are. Getting a second pair of glasses is generally very cheap – or even free. Just order them the next time you get new glasses and put the second pair in your 72-hour kit. Cheap drugstore reading glasses are a good option also.

The same advice goes for contact lenses. Keep a set (along with a case and cleaning solution) in your 72-hour kit and you won't waste precious time finding them.



Mistake #5 – No Collapsible Water Jug. Having water is so essential to life that all communities have emergency water plans. These plans, however, don't include containers. You need to have a personal emergency water plan, and that includes bringing your own jug.

A collapsible water container makes your life easier. You can keep the collapsible container filled with water – ready to go. After you drink the water, it collapses so you can easily carry it until you reach more water.

Mistake #6 – No VIP (very important personal) Items. These are the items that answer the question: "If only I'd taken five seconds and grabbed..." Having one or two special items can make the difference between coping and having a nervous breakdown. A stuffed animal or blanket will calm a baby. Older children and teens also need comfort items. Ask them what they would grab if they had to leave home in only five minutes. You may be surprised that they would rather have the quilt grandma gave them than their x-box. "VIP items" can also include essential toiletries, so check the contents of your medicine cabinet and your bathroom closet for items you'd hate to be without, and put some duplicates in a zip-lock bag. For starts, grab a roll of toilet paper, some hand sanitizer, and a couple of those little bottles of shampoo they give away in hotel rooms; then add your favorite pain relievers, allergy pills, vitamins and so on.

The United States finds itself in a circumstance once thought unthinkable. An ill-educated and near morally bankrupt society increasingly made up of those dependent on government combined with a governing class whose primary interest is themselves. The nation cannot, therefore, make any meaningful course correction unless and until the people finally understand they have been lied to and conned by the current establishment. That will, in all likelihood, not occur until America faces imminent collapse and the citizenry turns on those who brought the nation to its knees.

Prepare yourselves, it is not that far off in coming...

Hijack away, good discussion

For my part I will not follow an illegal order. If you tell me to defend a building and a bunch of 99%ers are coming to tear it up, I'd say they made a poor choice. If you tell me to lob 2.75" rockets into a church where people were seen gathering with their families and they have guns, I'll go there all right, unload food and medical supplies and take some time to see what's up.

There's this concept called common law. It's a temr to describe a law born from an idea that has always existed. It's DNA stuff. Example. I walk out to parking lot and decide to drive your car for the next year and demand the keys from you. You see? Everyone knows that is wrong and we don't need to write any laws about it. But we do, we call it stealing and we say it is wrong and we can't do it.
I call that common sense and some folks have it. If something is making the hair on the back of your neck stand up, pay attention. If I am given things to do that don't quite wash, I'm going to question it. Its already happened to me. I have even sat on my hands and told them I just won't play.
First of all, I know the US Army may not be deployed within the US to conduce active military operations without a relaxing of posse comatatus. If that hasn't taken place well Houston, we have a problem. My oath I swore to says I will defend and protect the constitution of the UNited States against all enemies foreign and domestic. So it's the constitution that matters. If it hasn;t been changed, an order by some dictator does not change that. I'm just a big 10 ton truck that won't get in gear. If the president orders me to do it, I will as long as it is a lawful order. All military are automatically excused from obeying unlawful orders. Ones like, if you see a crowd forming, open fire. Well why? What's the threat? What's the objective. What is the mission statement. It all has to add up or it won't happen.
But if some union organized militia acting on behalf of the goverment tries to pull some illegal stunt, then it is a state, local, national or international crime which requires remedy. ID I use any and all force necessary to protect myself, mine and others property and so forth.
So get to know your constitution and your bible, you'll need to know those things to know right from wrong in the coming days...

From Nate (Food Corner Guy):

First off I hope everybody had a wonderful day of thanks, and I thought I would give you Nate’s version of a CIEMR on all of this prepping, civil unrest end of the world or whatever you want to call it.

Having been deployed to 3 different theaters of combat for a total of 5 times and doing things like, being put on actual armed guard during the first 2 weeks of 9/11, clearing bldg’s (battle drill 6), flying through the air delivering troops and equipment, dismounted patrols, driving roadways while dodging IED’s, to protecting my JSS (joint service station) or FOB (forward operating base) from retards that want to do harm to us, I have come to some conclusions!

1. Birds of a feather flock together

2. More people (preppers) need to practice how to defend against a multi-direction attack, as well as practice how to conduct a multi-direction attack

3. Body armor is only good if you plan to be an attacker or plan to defend what is yours from a multi-direction attack. Most people don’t understand that when a prior soldier, marine, whatever starts to fire upon you and sees that you have body armor or some sort of protection will instantly move to head shots, or will have some ammo that makes body armor or protection obsolete.

4. Most people do not know how to use equipment designed to protect against whatever kind of NBC attack. Example: CS gas or tear gas, any sort of fall out, etc. More importantly they do not know how to use weapons while using this equipment.

5. Bags such as oh s**t, f**k me, SHTF, FML, bug out, or whatever you want to call them are for the most part very similar, not situational dependant. They will most likely be semi heavy and have to be made of some very durable material.

6. If you plan to stay put and not mobile for extended periods of time, you WILL become a target for attacks. You have to have some sort of a plan to be mobile or go mobile, or have some sort of a location and trained personnel that you can defend easily.

I have been doing a lot of reading, watching and thinking lately and I thought I would just offer some of Nate’s views. Do I want any of this to actually happen, NO! Will my Group and I be prepared, YES! I truly do believe that a lot of this mind set has come from numerous deployments to some pretty awful locations around this globe, and it really has shown me that regardless of how stable you may think things are, at some point it will always become unstable and crumble. Just remember that there are a million and a half ways for things to happen. I just pray that none of this happens, because I will be put into a situation where I will have to choose between the people of the US and the Military.

From Bobby:

For us civies, I want to see body armor discussed. Lots of talking about lead flying lately. Carrier vest, plates & kevlar etc. Think whole family protection on the move. We all drive reliable trucks so how do we protect occupants while moving from one point to the next?

Shawn,
I'm going to try to answer this as best I can, so bare with me in my LANCIPWR (Late Afternoon,Non-Coffee Induced,Post-Work Rant).
Theres multiples schools of thought when it comes to PPE ( personal protective equipment). I'm going to answer, with the preface that from my own experience with PPE, and the advance warning that I am NOT as good a write as Don.

I'll start it off with some examples of helmets,armor (steel and ceramicish) and the additions that can be done to it.

Note: Moved to Weapons section__________________

Another CIEMR:

Todays:

Thinking of converting to Is-lamb!
You know, looking at it objectively, they have a pretty good control thing going on there, especially for us men.
They control about a third of the world and wherever they are, within that culture, the wealthy guys easily rise above the minions working down at the factory. The wealthy continue to live lives of debauchery while calling down all the workers for missing a single prayer. There is laziness wherever that culture is, and I too, sometimes like being lazy. Maybe I could get used to being lazy all the time.
They really don’t do anything remarkable so all that time I spend figuring stuff out can be better spent complaining about the rest of the world. I am already very good about complaining so I wouldn’t have to change very much at all in that area. I don’t know one good thing that Islam has done in the last 2-3 thousand years so the prospect of me having to do something for my fellow man would be low. I can take that component of my daily life off my radar screen and give it no more thought.
Being a man I will now be in charge. My wife will no longer be allowed an opinion. If she gets out of hand I can just beat her around or set fire to her or something like that, right? But I’d only use accepted, Is-lamb approved woman punishment techniques. Funny thing is I see American women flocking to birka’ville, falling all over themselves to become men’s slaves, so even though that seems all weird and lopsided to me, women seem to go for it. So if Is-lambic women are good with it, why shouldn’t I be? Now, I might have to depart from Is-lambic norms a little bit because, I’m afraid I will need to bypass the whole Gay thing they so willingly embrace.
They keep all that on the “down-low” but I’d say that judging from what I saw from 5-6 years of hanging out over there, around 90% of Islamic males are gay. Well, let me qualify that, they are only gay in my dated Christian way of looking at it. You see they don’t look at it like that. It’s all “religious” with them. Their guide book, the Cornan or Conan, or Cornman, or whatever that book is called doesn’t agree with my way of looking at it. That book, which also doubles as their law as well! (Cool eh, we can get rid of all you useless lawyers! ;-)) Well anyway if you get caught having sex with a woman who you don’t actually own, then you get your head cut off, like as in the next day. The cornman believers don’t have to mess around with due process and all that wasteful junk! Think about that. You own, err are married to a woman who is a total knock out! No longer is any of your buddies or anyone else for that matter going to make a pass at her, losing one’s head is a strong deterrent! Secondly, no one will know what she looks like, after all she’ll need my permission to come out of my walled compound, which I won’t be giving all that often. Read: No more shopping trips! That’s because other than the fact that she will be working from sunup to sundown, tending my goats, and therefore not actually out in public, for those rare times when I send her out for sweet tea, she will be wearing that tent thing! Yep, no one will even know what she looks like, just me! That’s another benefit in Is-lamb. Women’s fashion is nothing more than veils, shoes and gloves, nothing more. Last year’s camping tent with the busted main pole, can be quickly cut down into serviceable ladies wear.
Back to the B-I-G secret in the Cornman. It says if you look at a woman you get an eye gouged out, kiss one you get killed, talk to one, 40 lashes (30 lashes actually cause death so see the preceding sentence). With all that going on with women, I can see why men leave them alone. Now, very conveniently, the cornman says nothing about sex with men. So since it’s not defined and not punishable by even a finger wag east and west, you’re good to go. And since it’s good to go, the men like to get that “Culture” started early, you know with younger boys… Yep, all those years I spent in A-Rab land I saw so many boys and young timid men wearing black eyes and bruises from the “training” they were getting from their commanders, fellow A-Rabs, undefined rag heads, and so forth. Yep, I had to learn all about that. We even gave it a name. We Neanderthal soldiers called it “Man-love Thursday.” That was because Thursday nights and Friday nights, their religious nights, roughly like our Sundays, was actually the time when they were REALLY practicing their religion if you know what I mean (wink wink).
So for my part even though I’m considering embarrassing, I mean embracing Is-lamb I will have to respectfully back out of the whole Thursday-Friday thing. Don’t worry, I’ll still be attending the 24 or 25 church services on those two days, but nothing more if you don’t mind!
So the women seem to be on board with this enslavement thing. They even allow their sons to be used as sexual toys by other men, so how can all of those people be wrong?
The law thing is pretty cool as well. That is actually the lack of laws. I remember when I was in Saudi Arabia, one of our pilots was driving back from the flight line. He stops at an intersection, checks, then when clear, proceeds. The Mustang driver in the intersecting lane who never so much as slows down for the funny red sign, plows into my boy, T-boning him nearly killing the both of them. The other driver a Saudi Major felt he had the right of way because he was a prince or something like that. Well, our guy didn’t know a prince was approaching or he would have been properly bowed in recognition to the princes greatness. No our foolish American warrior just thought he was looking at an intersection with 4 normally functioning stop signs.
So the accident happens, then we find out there will be court that day. Well hard to develop a case when your boy is in a comma, but what the heck, it’s Is-lamb right? TO be technically correct, there wasn’t actually a court, just a reading of the cornman by someone called a shake. I thought that was a shingle of sorts, but over there it is a guy who is the equivalent of your pastor, sheriff, judge, jury, and marriage counselor all wrapped up in one. This shingle guy determines that, had our guy not been there, the accident would not have occurred in the first place and his royal eminence would still be gleefully enroute to his pedicure appointment at his boyfriends place. All that makes sense, right? So our boy rightfully takes the heat, but doesn’t know it, because he is in surgery or something like that. (Poor choice for him to choose surgery over representing himself before this shingle guy, don’t you think?) I can explain that as well, our boy was a Blackhawk pilot. Those guys are not chosen for their superior mental capacity if you get what I’m saying (double wink on that one!!!)
Another thing is that these Islam guys have a tried and true technique for taking over places. You know places like Dearborn Michigan. They move in and quietly fill up all the slums. TO them they are not slums. No sir our slums are what most of the Is-lambic world looks like anyway. They multiply through the judicious use of the female R2-D2 looking units. In Dearborn, those units are mostly black former American free women who are tired of all us Christians holding them down. So they repopulate and as there is-lambic slum culture physically grows, even our Police wish to just avoid the place. Personally, if you just released some of those hogs overtaking Texas up there, you’d clear all the A-Rabs out in a flash. Not sure how that works, I just know that it does work.
So as the police stop coming for those pesky misdemeanors, you know the child (boy) rape and wife burning and stuff like that, what you have is the loss of US law, and they apply their rules out of the Cornman. I apologize for not capitalizing that earlier, what was I thinking? Anyway, the Cornman has a law to live by and its called shria, Syria, sangria or something like that. So this sangria becomes the rule book and just like that there you have it, a thriving slum Is-lamb culture right here in the U-S of A.
Now this sangria law has some real noodles, I mean its powerful stuff. White people run like mad at the mere mention of it! We see sangria being consumed or practiced and we just fall all over ourselves trying to apologize for doing whatever we did. You know stuff like living our lives quietly and peacefully! Dammed Christians, you should have known, there was something out there which you did wrong, continue to do wrong or will do wrong, so get busy and get your lilly livered Kool-Aid pumping heart out there and apologize! Turn a few cheeks while you’re at it because that is what you think you should do, correct?
If it wasn’t for all the yellow spine, lilly livered Christians who recently graduated with a doctorate in Political Correctness, Is-lamb wouldn’t have a chance and we’d all be shown to be the hateful ingrates which some of us are, myself not included of course. Remember I’m the one who is thinking of switching over to Is-lamb!
Anyway, this Sangria practicing peaceful people continue to multiply, riding a wave of public supplied housing, food stamp fed welfare powered baby producing machine, and pretty soon your neighborhood has more of them that bullets in double stacked 30 round magazines. Yup getting to be a problem for you Christians at this point. Getting to be a bunch of them now and this sangria thing is showing up on billboards, in classrooms, in courtrooms and in your neighborhood. Some of you Christian bigots resist, but thank God for the rest who either do nothing or go out and apologize some more and give more and more ground. It’s all good right? The media says so and they can’t be wrong right? Since you (Lilly livered, stay in your corner Christians) never read anything except for the Kroger sales flyer, how would you know? You don’t seek out the truth, heck the news or government will tell you when it’s time to worry, right? But you have help on the way. Find yourself a good church with the likes of Jeremiah Wright or Jessie Jackson or helms and get right with your faith. Don’t worry if those preachers have to white out large passages of the bible, they are ordained ministers, they have to tell the truth. That’s what great about our nation, you really don’t need to think for yourself, there are people who will do that for you so you can spend good quality time watching American Idol…cool!
Anyway back on point. This Sangria stuff gets American public places great things like foot baths. Hmmm, never knew we needed those, but It’s all good. If Is-lamb ever leaves there will be a bunch more places to throw some goldfish! Then we could truly say they contributed something to mankind! Anyway once I learn why I need to wash my feet to go to some rundown slum where Is-lamb food is served, I’ll be more ready to embrace this whole A-rab way of life. No, really, I think I can do it!
There are still a couple, well actually many, sticking points remaining for me at the moment. I thought Jesus was the son of God, but they say he’s just a good guy. Well, hey, there is some common ground, we both agree that he’s a good guy! But they really like this guy named Mo-hammed more, I mean a lot more! Frankly I never understood why, being an A-Rab, you can’t like pigs, I mean they make ham, right? And this Mo-hammed guy has “ham” right in his name. Seems it would be a act of worship to eat a Dagwood, or am I confused on that. Well, I’m just a hillbilly, ignorant, poorly educated (I don’t have a single class of Political correctness and appeasement of the enemy in my resume) Like I said I’m fairly ignorant. I did say that, didn’t I? Can’t recall, I’m also old, but not necessarily stuck in my ways, no sir, I too can change and embrace Is-lamb, follow Sangria, read the cornman and learn to admire Mr. Mo-hammed! I just have to learn to throw out common sense, the word of God, did I say common sense? I’d have to learn that you do not open doors for women, because they are now property and also, somehow deal with all this man-love stuff. Honestly, that’s gonna be a tough one!
Oh on the plus side, there is a lot of exercise in Is-lamb. Apparently I have to walk to some place called Make-ah. I guess you go there to find out what they are making, ah, there. Some sort of secret handshake place. Anyway, you have to walk there at least once during deer season or your lifetime or something like that.
I used to hear a lot about that place when I was in the Armee. You always hear folks talking about dropping atomic bombs on it. I guess that must be the center of a disease or something and the only way to properly sanitize it would to be a thermal-nuclear bomb. To me that was way over the top, silly Armee talk. I think you call in a good pest control company and you could clean up whatever disease that seems to collect there pretty as pie! Sometimes those Armee and even the girly men over in the post office, Err, I mean the Air Farce talk the same way. And I think they have these big passenger jets that have those bomb things on the inside. They never told me for sure, just always said I was just a stupid soldier, and told me to shut up and go away.
Well, one third of the world can’t be wrong Make-Ah must be a wonderful place. Well, I’ll read some more. Oh read, hmmm, how do I explain that concept. Well there’s these squiggly things called letters and words, you know the things the spell checker on your I-Phone always changes into words you can’t understand? Well, check this out: There is a whole universe of these words. Wanna know something else? Not all of them come from Opra! Really! Insider stuff here, real close hold… If you read enough of them with more than 4 letters and one syllable (What’s that, right?) Just another word, stay with me, you’ll pick it up. Anyway after a while of reading these words and thinking, no time for that one right now, that’s another time, another challenge. So after the continued reading of these words you start to get ideas and concepts. No concepts are not candy, they’re well, well, never mind…
You know what to heck with it. Too much to do for one redneck in one day with only one pot of coffee. I guess if you don’t have it, just pay attention to the media, Opra, and the political correctness police and they’ll tell you what you need to think. For me, I’m off on this joining Is-lamb idea. Dunno if I’m going there, you know the more I think about that whole man love Thursday thing, the more the whole concept is just harder and harder to accept. See that, I really am uncultured, uneducated, and stuck in my ways. I guess I am the problem. Allow me some space to become introspective (Think about stuff) and come to some decision.
Be good
Soldier on

Another CIEMR:

We may have been overthrown already
You know there is mounting evidence that it has already happened. And that the enemy that defeated us is currently consolidating his position. That enemy of course is Communism, gift wrapped in the veil of a hope(less) and change and led by a hollow suit who grows ever more dangerous. Actually by the day, I believe. If what I am reading is correct the white house is creating some 50+ executive orders per day. Now, a lot of them are benign and actually helpful, and I give credit to the people who advised the President to stop lolly-gagging around and authorize the FDA to allow some new drug to be used in America. Unfortunately, though within those now hundreds (Thousands??) of executive orders are some that give amnesty to illegal aliens usurping the legislative branch (The people) defeat of the same bill and things like that
Anyone hear the presidents speech outlining indefinite detention of people who if left to their own devices will commit a crime? What? Please tell me that is just the Tom Cruise movie we are talking about!.
See how that works now? First the emerging ruling party or rather construct, gives the people a swing at it passing a bill and creating a law. If the results are other than what is desired, then a simple executive order, even issued in secret with no fanfare is sufficient to do the same thing. That is not democracy that is being ruled. Take your pick for a specific name of which style, results are the same either way.
I was under the impression that the election would decide the fate of the nation. If we voted for Romney, then we would get a 4 year breather to regroup, organize and fight, all the while, hopefully staving off the almost inevitable dropping off the cliff. But the truth is we are designed and indeed destined to drop off that cliff, it is simply going to happen. Slowly at first, with all the little changes we are now seeing then at a more accelerated rate when more and more control and regulation forces many more onto the government till and into democratically spawned independence. If you need something, like a government check to eat for example, then you are dependent. In the socialist model that’s how it works. Of course things like incentive personal drive, creativity, and success all go away, but what the hell, most Americans have lost their spine anyway, so they don’t care.
Back to my original premise, that we have already lost. Look anyone with a brain can see what is happening. Lie after lie, cover up followed by more lies and all nailed down neatly by the various chiefs and department heads who all report to the president. Eric Holder who’s failed fast and furious gun running scheme blew up and ended up killing some of his own people and a lot of civilians. Has he ever been brought to justice? Yea, he appears in congress routinely and was once even covered by presidential executive privilege. Does anyone know, that that privilege is afforded to the president alone? Think about that. The president pulled that card, all the useful idiots with their eyes glazed over from love of the half black savoir, gave him a pass. Sometimes I wish all of you that allowed that to pass had the same feelings of loss as that officers widow who now lives with the absence of her husband. I really do wish that I could make all you who voted for OB and did it again experience those feelings of loss. You created this and you allowed it to continue by not helping us hold these elected officials accountable.
The latest in a remarkable line of screw ups and cover-ups is the Benghazi thing. Now Americas General, David Petreas stands relieved and in disgrace. That’s Americas General we’re talking about. He delivered the stunning American victory in Iraq reported only in England during the surge and Bush years. His surge campaign killed over 11,000 enemy combatants taking the AQI (Al-Qaida Iraq) from some 11,600 down to under 600. That’s a big victory my fellow Americans. But because you no longer have the ears to hear it and constitution to care, you didn’t know did you How could you, I believe that all came to be during some celebrity’s riveting marriage or month later divorce! And of course you don’t read… just too many American Idol shows would have been missed if you would actually took the time to learn some current events!
Know what I think about Benghazi? I recall some talk about the Obama campaign delivering some October surprise back during the summer. Something equaling him personally killing Osama with a little assistance of ST6. Here’s what I think, book of Don: I think people in the administration and others who are assisting in the subversion of our country set that up, crazy as that sounds. We set it up or at least it’s possible that we might have, to actually allow that martyrs’ brigade or whatever wacko name they call themselves, to kidnap out Ambassador! Then later, through some remarkable deal sometime close to election time, we would arrange for a trade of that blind shake or sheik or demon or whatever he is (I prefer: moving target) for the Ambassador. I know you’re thinking conspiracy theory correct? Right wing wacko??? I sure as hell hope so. I want nothing more, nothing than for all of this to be some fantastic fantasy. Heck, since I’m a writer, with my delusional thinking, I could spin it all into a fictional novel, but I fear I may be right. So we trade the Ambassador for the sheik and all the countless idiots of our country once again see their savoir performing miracles. The A-Rab world gets their boy back who killed all of our fellow infidels, err, countrymen so they’re happier than a June bug in shallow honey, and the powers that keep the socialist transformation going get their necessary win in November.
But look what happened. A couple pesky Seals go and screw the whole thing up. You know with more conviction that a clock maker on daylight savings time, these Seal guys just react. Ask me how I know? I spent half a career messing with them, and although being a bunch of cool dudes, they all are pretty much one way with regards to combat, and saving your American a$$ if you get into a pinch. Personally I favor the boys in green over at Bragg, but I’m a little biased that way.
So a couple Seals muck the operation up trying to do what is right and the plan goes south. Orders are flying from the national command authority which seem to counter what our people in 4-star billets determine how to react after 30-40 years of military experience, training, and focus. In fact I believe more 2-3 and 4 star careers were destroyed that night than we have seen since Truman. Someone check me out on that. I know of several flag officers who aren’t worth a decent 5 year term life policy any longer. They reacted according to their heart, training and the mission. Launch the fleet and pull those people out. I used to be one of those guys who were sitting in a cockpit on some dirty naval vessel, or some rat hole somewhere with a bunch of steely eyed killers in the back waiting for the order to go. On some occasions we got those orders. I can tell you without a doubt, that if those Seals were still alive when we got there, we’d have pulled them and the Ambo along with his people out of there. We would have also broken a lot of stuff and killed a bunch of folks who really needed to be dead anyway, but, hey, that’s just me, and well the seals, and well, the generals, OK, and well the Marines, and what the H-E-double hockey sticks all the real patriots there. But you lilly liver self absorbed people who sailed this country down the creek don’t give a hoot, so for you it doesn’t matter,
On that count, go ahead feel angered that I called you cowards. That I called you out for your gutlessness, at least you feel something real for once. For me, I’m done with you. Here’s where I am with every person who I find out who voted for Obama. I’ll give you no quarter any longer. You wanted this, you got it. It’s now your baby to live with and try to survive. I will not buy you a coffee, sweet tea or a meal of any kind. I will not invite you to my home. My wife will, but I won’t. If you are here, I will be polite, but not talk to you. I will not pass you the gravy, get it yourself. I want you to feel unwelcome, because now, you are. Where I teach self defense and survival skills, you will be removed from my class. I will personally discriminate against you because I will not help anyone who helped destroy my country, and you did, you just don’t have the mental capacity to figure that out. If I see you in church, I will openly call you out and ask how you can be here worshiping the father of life while voting for a man who votes to kill unborn babies. I wish to point out publically in an embarrassing forum how you publically worship God, but privately hate God and that makes you a liar.
Back to Petreas. He is very unlike the people he works for. He has honor, the s in charge never heard the word, except that men that held to that principle could be used, then discarded at will. Petreas is told to roll with the spin, you know the pres didn’t know, the timeline, and all of that. But General Petreas looks at the mirror and says I can’t do that. Why that would be lying and 40 years of my life has been about truth and honor. So he bucks the system. His timeline does not agree. He is Americas General. If he says something different, the ice palace will start to melt.
So he is given a choice. Suddenly a day or so after the election the fact that he has had this affair becomes important enough to dismiss one of the most powerful men on the planet. I think the powers to be told him to shut up, do what he’s told or one of the most brilliant careers and finest military men of our time will fall into disgrace. HE was threatened. He did what any of us who know honor would do, he said, that being what it may, I cannot lie, this is a freaking mess, but I CAN’T LIE, it would not be right. Those same bedrock values that started this whole mess when those Seals reacted based on that same honor and training, and personal discipline and all of that brought General Petreas to this point. He is not accepting blackmail, he is standing for what is right.
BTW, ever know of a perfect man, I mean other than Jesus? One who hasn’t been tempted sexually? One? Your pastor? I doubt it? Your dad? Nope! Your husband? Wrong again. No, we guys don’t get a pass in that department, God did not wire us that way. General Petreas made a personal mistake, just like I did, you did, everyone did. All we proved here is that he is human, nothing more!
My country and my fellow man now stands divided. The lines have been drawn. And I find myself on the side of a smaller number of patriots. For us in the minority, we are vastly stronger. Their numbers will rapidly decrease when the comfortable America they know falls apart. I believe it will collapse in time and when those people come calling asking for help, I am telling you now, I will give you none. You believe in this socialist model so strongly, with regards to me and many, many like me, now that is all you have to rely on. We will no longer help you knowingly. A divided America it is, The rulers are consolidating their positions and digging in. We patriots will not go there. All this has formed two intersecting lines. I pray for all of us, that God’s protection be upon his people and for Satan’s lot let his will also be done.

Sanatized email to another member:

Another brother! Kool! Funny thing when you identify yourself boldly as a believer, real brothers come right out of the woodwork and find you. Sounds like we both just did. OK, cool secret handshake, Jesus is Lord and nothing else matters. Say that five times and click your heels and you'll be in heaven...Man don't you wish we could do that...Father God, this world has just become too much, I'm tired, I want to come home. If that was possible, there would be a lot less people on this Satan possessed world. Dam shame that we are becoming Sodom and Goroma.

Yes Sir, I am bold for Christ! Know why? Because I never know if I have another day, and I want this one to count for his kingdom. It is time for us to stop being millies, that's how the liberals (evil people most of them) came to power, we gave it to them! Well, for my part alone, I'm not going there. They are evil, they are wrong, God is the only true and real God, Jesus was and is alive and is God's only son. Anything else is not the truth, period! (with explanation point)!

Black and white brother, east vs. west. Time to choose. The mark of the beast is coming, which side of that fence do you want to fall on. For some reason my father has me all warriored up and thumping my chest in his name, and that's fine. But, I am not looking forward to when the spotlight falls upon me, will get ugly quick for me then, but then I'll be taken home where I will fall face first before my savoir Jesus and thank him for allowing me to fight the good fight.

I don't know, but I sort of hope they have warriors and soldiers in heaven, because, I sure would like to be one. Imagine serving under Michael? Wow. OK, so you've identified yourself to me, and I'm not soft spoken. So put on those self tapping soles and screw yourself firmly in place and stand up and be counted. Maybe some of those jelly filled, mustard seed, kool-aid pumping hearts in those CC's (Coward Christians) will see your example and learn some courage. Soldier on!

And from Ash:

Don, if you dont mind, I want to post a few things here that really fit the mold...

You and shawn will both recieve the full version as usual, but these tid bits are worth everyone seeing...

There are 10^11 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But it is only a hundred billion. It is less than the national deficit! We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.

Richard P. Feynman, (1918 - 1988) American Physicist



Feynman was a theoretical physicist who participated in the development of the atom bomb and was a member of the panel who investigated the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster. He is often cited as the ‘father of nanotechnology’ and delivered a 1959 talk on top-down nanotechnology titled “There’s Plenty of Room at the Bottom.” Feynman received the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965 for his contributions to the development of quantum electrodynamics.

Richard Feynman was known as the “Great Explainer” for good reason. He was careful to make physics understandable to his students. He said if a subject could not be explained in a freshman lecture it was not yet fully understood. Feynman enjoyed the freshman-level explanation and after a year-long sabbatical during which he revisited Principia Mathematica, authored by Sir Isaac Newton, Feynman passed along to his students what he had learned from one of the monumental works in the history of science.

The above quote ‘10 to the 11th power’ is 100 billion needs some perspective. At the time of his death, the U.S. annual deficit was $250 billion. Current estimates for stars in our galaxy are 400 billion plus or minus 200 billion. For the past four years the U.S. Federal Government deficits have averaged $1.3 trillion or $1.3 x 10^12. The accumulated deficits are known as the National Debt and are currently near $16.25 trillion or 1.625 x 10 ^13. When discussing or thinking about government spending, the numbers become so impossibly large people cannot comprehend their meaning. Usually when attempting to illustrate the size of these numbers stacks of U.S. currency are used. This ink slinger most often uses images of $100 bills.

Audience reaction at a recent talk caused an epiphany. It was their eyes. It was obvious when their eyes glazed over the audience was bamboozled or bored or both. Any point being made is lost to all but the speaker. And so a new, Feynman inspired, freshman-level illustration for large numbers is offered for your consideration.

How long, in days, weeks or years is one million (1,000,000) seconds?

The answer is: A little over 11½ days.

One billion (1,000,000,000) seconds is 31.68 years. Most adults can relate to that number.

And one trillion seconds (1,000,000,000,000) is equal to 31,680 years.

And the great economic theory of the day, borrowing ever greater sums of money to solve problems caused by too much debt, continues. The debt and deficit numbers are difficult to comprehend. But it is clear the experiment is failing. Perhaps our leaders should listen to a different bit of wisdom from Richard Feynman:

“It does not matter how beautiful your theory is, it does not matter how smart you are. If it does not agree with the experiment, it is wrong.”

Markets: The S&P 500 was down 34 points for the week closing Friday at 1380 well below the 1400 support level and some 86 points or 5.9% lower than its weekly closing high of 1466 on September 14. The S&P is up 9.7% with just seven weeks remaining in 2012. The DJIA was lower by 278 points for the week finishing at 12,815.

This pullback in the stock indexes could turn into a full blown correction. Earnings are weak and revenues are trending lower. The world economy is slowing and the fiscal cliff is looming. New Taxes will increase next year and previous tax cuts will be eliminated. The Federal Reserve is pumping $85 billion each month into the economy in hopes that low interest rates will spur economic growth and help support risk assets. The government continues to spend over a trillion dollars more each year than it takes in taxess. Mr. Market is trying to correct past excesses. The Nanny State is trying to avoid the pain of that correction and in the process is creating a catastrophe. This shenanigans can go on for a long time but one day there will come a reckoning.

The pace of decline for the private sector in France during the past two months "has been the swiftest since the post-Lehman slump in early 2009." The French government has unveiled measures designed to help industry and exporters. Those measures include €20 billion in tax credits over three years, an extra €10 billion in public spending cuts and a €10 billion hike in consumer taxes. However, despite the dramatic fall in private sector activity, the measures fall short of the "shock" therapy called for in a report by industrialist Louis Gallois, who wants payroll taxes to be slashed by €30 billion over two years. It seems these same ideas have failed to produce economic growth in other countries. What was that definition of insanity?

Banque de France, the central bank of France predicts a 0.1% decline in the GDP for Q4-12 following an estimated drop of 0.1% in Q3-12. That would officially put France in a recession for the second half of 2012. German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble is worried about the decrepit state of the French economy. According to a report from Reuters, Schaeuble has asked the German government council of economic advisers, known as the “wise men” to consider drafting a report on what France should do to turn its economy around. That should go over really well with the French!

The coincident composite index for Japan, which consists of 11 key indicators, dropped 2.3 points to 91.2 in September from its reading in August. That is the sixth consecutive month of declines and prompted the government to say the economy is at a "turning point" toward the downside rather than "pausing," as was their interpretation of the five month decline through August. The data heightens the fear that Japan is on the verge of recession.
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