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I believe it's an 86 or 87. I'd appreciate a look at the diagram, just in case it's the same as what I've got.

I'm thinking about seeing if I can just swap the whole harness.

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It's a 44 in the front.  I'll take a look at the posi lock. 

Thanks!

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I just went ahead and bolted the cab back on the frame.  I stuck the thinner mounts under the front of the cab, thicker ones under the rear.  I put the tapered bushings under the frame brackets and bolted everything down.  Plenty of grease anywhere stuff may rub.

I started looking at wiring the steering column, but my book doesn't have the wiring diagram for the steering column on the later trucks, so I'll probably just wait until I have the battery in and everything else hooked up to figure out the wiring on the column.

I feel like I'm making a little progress. I'm trying to finish something, no matter how small each time I work on it. 

One thing I've overlooked at this point is all of the vacuum switches and junk for the 4x4 that I won't be using, and the vacuum actuator for the front axle.(can I just jam the collar in "locked" and put manual hubs one?)

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I just got done talking to prothane on the phone. All they have for directions is a generic set, no detailed instructions are available.

I guess I'll have to wing it.  What's the worst that could happen?lol

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I called prothane today, and their office is only open Monday through Thursday :angry:

I'm not sure what to do at this point.  I don't want to waste a weekend.

Maybe I'll start wiring the steering column?

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Thanks for the pic, but I don't think that'll help much.  The poly ones look much different.  Maybe they were mis packaged.

I'm going to re read the directions and see if I can make sense of them again.

ETA: after looking at the pieces again, I think I have the right parts, and the directions are definitely wrong.  The thick and thinner cylindrical pieces I believe go on the frame/under the cab.(thin in front, thick in rear) the tapered ones go under the frame. I have no idea where the little ones go, and the metal sleeves don't fit over the bolts.

I'm going to call prothane tomorrow. Lol

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Any pics would help.  The factory ones looked like over grilled hamburger patties. Lol

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Thanks. Did you just put grease on the sleeves, or between the bushings and washers/cab/frame?

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Some of you fine folks have seen my other thread about this.http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=2610.0

I figured I'd start one in here, because I'm getting work done,  plus I'm hoping that posting here helps me stay motivated.

My goal is to have this thing driving by June. I'm sick of it being in my garage, and having to rent a trailer when I need something moved.

I've reached a point where I don't know what to do so I'm putting it back together. This will probably bite me at some point, but I need to be making some kind of progress.

I'm sorry my first post in the build thread is a question, and I don't have many pics.  I'll try to get better about taking pics as I work.

I'm getting ready to set the body back down on the frame, but I'm using new body mounts from prothane.  The directions that came with the kit are either wrong or terrible, so I'm not really sure what goes where.

I'm hoping someone here is familiar with these and can point out where each one goes.

I'm thinking the tapered ones are for the cab and the thin ones go under the frame on those.  I have no idea where the other 4 go.  Any help is appreciated.

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I finally got around to getting spacers built.  I used 1" pieces of 2 1/2"x1/2" wall DOM tubing with old body mount washers between them and the new poly transmission mounts. 

I then flipped my carrier bearing cross member back over and put the bearing back on top.  The front section of my drive shaft ended up about 3/4" too short, so I'll end up getting it re tubes. 

I still have exhaust to figure out, and I can't remember how to mount the alternator, but I am making slow progress.

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I confirmed my suspicion.  The frame on my truck is 7.2" and the one on the donor truck is 6".

I think I'm going to build a spacer from 1" square tube to go between the transmission cross member and the transmission mounts.  That should allow me to put my carrier bearing cross member back the way it was and hopefully level out the drivetrain.

I should have enough parts tomorrow to get my exhaust done back to where the muffler(s) will go.  That'll allow me to run the truck a little and at least move it around under it's own power.(hopefully).

I still need to mount the core support and radiator before I can start it.  I feel like I'm almost to the top of the hill. Lol

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I think I may have figured out the drivetrain angle issue.

I think the siderail section of the frame on my truck may be taller than the one on my donor truck, I'll have to stick a tape on both frames to be sure. From some information I found on another forum, it looks like my crew cab should have the taller frame vs the standard cab donor truck.

It seems that if my truck has a 7.2" tall frame and the donor truck has the 6.06" frame, it could cause my problem.  So, if that ends up being the case, I'll just build a 1" spacer to go under the transmission and then flip my carrier bearing cross member back over and call it a day.

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Now why would a little load like that break a truck!

The load didn't break the truck, I did. Lol.

 I think the p/o lowered the truck, so it didn't really go anywhere when I put a heavy load in it, it just had more traction. Lol

I'll kind of miss that ride height though, because I could just step onto the tailgate when I was carrying rounds of wood instead of setting them in the bed, then moving them again.

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And here's a shot of the truck doing work before I broke it. Lol

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Here's a picture showing the cross member on the frame, and one of my carrier bearing /slip splines.

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If anyone is still here, I'm still picking away at this thing.  I got out and started working on the exhaust. I ended up just running the stock exhaust manifolds because I didn't want to mess with getting headers to fit right now.  The driveshaft is mounted, but I think the front may be a little short, as the yoke wobbles a little on the slip splines.(I'm hoping some grease fixes this, like the splines on the front d/s on my 01 suburban) 

I'm trying to use as much of the exhaust that came off the truck as possible, but some of it was really beat up and the mufflers were falling apart, so I'll be changing stuff up a little.  I think I'm going to end up using some glass pack type mufflers to make fitting them under the truck easy.  I'm no good at building exhaust, especially laying on my back on the floor.  I'm keeping it in smallish pieces so I can pull it out after it's tacked and weld it on the floor outside the truck.  I plan on putting the pieces together with the band type clamps to make maintenance easier later.

I've reached the point where I'm sick of looking at the truck, and wish I'd not started this project.  I'm way to far along to do anything but bail out and get rid of the truck (probably for pennies on the dollar from what I have in it) or finishing it.  I've had days where I went out to work on it and ended up laying on the floor looking at the drivetrain wondering if it's going to work.  I think somehow the engine is sitting up higher than it should be, but I could only lower the engine cross member about 1/8" before it's resting on the bottom lip of the frame rail.  I've pretty much decided at this point to just keep going forward and see what issues come up and deal with them then. 

I knew when I started this project that I was pushing myself, but I was dealing in the unknown unknowns (I didn't know what I didn't know) Lol. If I get finished with this, and it works, I'll be on to the fun stuff, like electrical and interior stuff.  I'm not sure how quickly I'll be looking for another project like this though.  It'll be nice to have my garage back.  I'm sure the wife will appreciate being able to park inside again, even if she says it's not a big deal.

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I got the starter installed today.  I found that I'm missing the piece of tin that plugs the hole between the bell housing and the sheet metal piece that bolts on the bottom of the bell housing. The one for the 727 is much different than what I need. It doesn't look too complicated to build one, so that's probably what I'll do.

 I also started mounting the cross member for the carrier bearing.  I also realized that I probably cut my front drive shaft about 3/4" too short.  I drew a line on the slip splines with the shafts pushed all the way together, then bolted the drive shaft up and at ride height drew another line on the splinters, then pulled it apart and measured. What's what.  There was 3.5" of splines in the yoke fully compressed, and 1.5" at ride height. I think I'm going to build the plate to mount my carrier bearing with slots, or enough room for a second set of holes so I can run the drive shaft I have now, and be able to fix the front drive shaft later, if it causes a problem. I'd hate to go out and cut a load of wood, only to have the drive shaft fall off when it's time to go home. Lol

I'm not getting a ton of stuff done, but I'm trying to complete something every time I get to work on it.  Like eating an elephant (or a crap sandwich) one bite at a time.

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Of the drive shaft?  I'm not posting a current pic of the truck. I'm ashamed of my garage. Lol

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Well, it's done. the drive shaft is shorter. I did a good job making the cuts straight, then reminded myself how bad I am at welding. Lol.

I will probably use the drive shaft as is for moving the truck around, then take it in and have the drive shaft shop fix it before I really start using the truck.

I wanted to give this a try, just for the experience.  I think I need to find a place to actually learn how to weld from someone, as all I've done at this point is read a book, and talk to a couple of friends. A little practice would probably help too, as I don't think I've used my welder for over a year.

I got the intake and exhaust manifolds installed, the front drive shaft installed, and now the rear drive shaft is ready to go in.

I messed up when I pulled the rear drive shaft apart, and didn't mark or pay attention to how the yokes on the front and rear sections were liked up.  Does anyone know how they are supposed to be?  I imagine you'd want them lined up.

I think I have most of the big stuff taken care of, now I just have to get it running.

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The junk yard that showed the drive shaft in stock couldn't put their hands on it, so I'm back to modifying the two piece one that I have.  One of my friends is trying to talk me into shortening it myself, but I don't have a good way to insure a square cut.

The downside of the one piece shaft, aside from cost is that there's more of it to hang down and get ran into stuff.  The cost is the biggest factor right now though.

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No photos of the truck yet, as it's buried under it's own parts and kids stuff. Lol

Part of the reason I'm so motivated to get it done at this point is so I can pull it out and get my garage cleaned up. Lol

I did locate a drive shaft through a local wrecking yard, but it's in Oregon, and the parts look up system didn't have a photo of it.  It's only $150, but the system didn't ask about if the truck was a manual or automatic and I'm not sure if they're different. The only things it asked about were 2 or 4 wheel drive and how many bolts were on the rear axle cover (10 or 12, mine has 10).  If I can return it, or not pay until I know it's right, this is probably the way I'll go.

Today I'm hoping to get my intake bolted on as well as the exhaust manifolds.  I'd like to run headers, but it seems that good ones are expensive and still hit the starter. Lol.

I took this week off work just to have time to work on the truck, but so far I haven't been able to get much done.

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I'm finally able to work on the truck again. I got the body un bolted and lifted out of the way without any issues. I did soak the body mount bolts down with wd40 first though. I have new poly body mounts to put in, since the old ones were only about an inch tall, and looked like a shriveled up hamburger patty.

I cut the carrier bearing cross member out and started taking measurements for having my 2wd two piece drive shaft shortened. It looks like the front section will end up at 21". 

I haven't had luck finding a drive shaft for a club cab 4speed 4x4 locally. There's one yard left that I haven't checked that normally has a good selection of old parts, so if that doesn't shake out, it looks like modifying the one I have will be the way to go.  The drive shaft shop wants about 7-800 bucks to build a one piece shaft for it. It'll probably be less than half of that to modify the one I have.

I hope I'm over the hump at this point.  I want my truck back. Lol

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Thanks for that!  Little tips like that can save a lot of headache.

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I started cutting out the rivets for the cross member today.  I need to lift the cab up to get at the top rivets and I didn't have time today.

I still need to start shopping junk yards for a drive shaft as well.

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Tires, Wheels, and Suspension / Re: 2001 suburban 2500 active suspension
« on: January 28, 2017, 08:45:43 PM »
Ok, time for an update.

I found the connectors and wired in the resistors.  The message came on about 100 yards out of the driveway.  I disconnected the control module for the ride control, unplugged the negative terminal on the battery and cycled the ignition switch, then reconnected the battery. Drove it around for about 15 minutes and the message didn't come back.  I removed the resistors and insulated the wires and put everything back together and drove it again. No message still.  This was a super easy fix and I wish I'd have seen the info about unplugging the ride control module a couple of years ago. Lol

Thanks for the help here guys.

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Tires, Wheels, and Suspension / Re: 2001 suburban 2500 active suspension
« on: January 23, 2017, 08:54:03 PM »
I was unable to locate the fuse labeled "rtd" that I've seen mentioned.  My big fuses also look different than the ones in your picture here. 

It's beginning to seem like the only thing I have in common with everyone else with this issue is the message on the dash. Lol

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Tires, Wheels, and Suspension / 2001 suburban 2500 active suspension
« on: January 22, 2017, 11:51:14 PM »
Have any of you guys dealt with the "active" suspension system on these things?  I'm having trouble finding much good information about how to deactivate this system without having the suspension message in the dic. 


This truck has had a lift kit on it since before I got it, and as far as I know, the message has been on since the lift kit was installed.

 
There's a bit of info out there about using resistors in place of the shocks.  I ordered some of the resistors, but my truck doesn't seem to match the info that's out there.

The stuff I've read all said that the connectors at the shocks had 2 wires in them and to just stick the resistors between the two wires.  On my truck, the only connectors Iwas able to find near the shocks have 3 wires.  The Chilton manual I have is about useless in the wiring schematic department, so I wasn't able to figure it out that way either. 

Hopefully I'm just not finding the correct connectors, and I plan to look again, but I figured I'd ask the pros here as well.

Thanks for all the help!

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Those last pics are awesome. Thanks a bunch.  It looks like that would fix my problem perfectly.  I think I'll look in my area for a club cab 4x4 in a wrecking yard and at least snag the drive shaft from it.  Most yards around here don't want you cutting on the frame, so I may not be able to take the cross member.  I still think my idea of flipping my cross member over will work just as well though, if i can't find one.

Thanks again for the help!  I guess now I'll have to try to update here more frequently so I don't leave you guys hanging  lol

I want to be done with all of this stuff and get on to getting the interior together and getting the old dog back to work.   

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You can get an idea of the situation from the first picture I posted in post #11.  That's the cross member that the carrier bearing bolted to.  The carrier bearing was also round instead of square like the one you posted.

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There's the difference.  The cross member in my truck is set up to have the carrier bearing/drive shaft on top of it.  It  looks like my idea for flipping  my cross member over should work.

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I appreciate all the help. 

I will wait for the pictures before I worry about the carrier bearing cross member any more. Lol

I think some of my problems come from using running gear from a newer truck.  If I'm not mistaken,(it happens more than I'd like. Lol) the 70's trucks used a divorced transfer case and the one out of the 86 is not.

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My donor truck was a standard cab, standard box.

I forgot to mention that I stuck a tape from t-case to pinion tonight and came up with 80"+/-. That doesn't seem too ridiculous. The reason for leaning towards a one piece shaft is that the t-case points straight at the axle, so to use a two piece shaft (which is what I originally planned on), I'd be modifying the cross member or the mount for the t case.  I kind of need to keep costs low right now, unless one way stands out as being clearly better than the other.  At this point flipping that cross member upside down and having a one piece shaft built seems like the path of least resistance. 

I did just have a thought, what if I flipped the cross member over and hung the carrier bearing from it?  That way, I could lower the carrier bearing easily to beat the correct angle.

I used the engine and transmission/t-case cross members from the donor truck.

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It looks like the drive shaft would go straight through the middle of that cross member height wise.  I did some rough measuring and it almost looks like if I took the bracket for the carrier bearing off and flipped the rest of the bracket over (attach the long part to the top of the frame and the diagonal pieces to the bottom), I'd have enough room.  I'm not sure how much the drive shaft can move up at this point.  The suspension is all stock, with no real plans to lift it at all.

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Here are a few pics.

First is a picture of the engine from the side to try to show how much the engine tilts toward the rear of the truck.

Second is the offending cross member.  By my best SWAG, the centerline of the driveshaft would hit the top edge of the bottom half of the cross member.

Third is a picture to try to show the relationship of the t-case and the cross member.


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The only mount for the transmission/transfer case assembly is under the t-case on a cross member.  Only that mount and the two engine mounts hold the drivetrain in place. I'll check how level the engine sits tonight also.  It's possible that when I put the engine cross member in, I put it in too high, but I'm pretty sure it's ok.(I think there were dimples in the frame, or most of the holes from the 2wd cross member matched up? It's been a while. Lol)

If I was to raise up the t-case, I'd put a spacer between the t-case mount and the cross member.  I've already chopped a hole in the floor, making it a little bigger to clear doesn't scare me. Lol

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I'll  try to get some pictures tonight.

How would cross members be modified "normally" (I know it depends on a lot) to clear a drive shaft that would run right through them?  Would it be ok to build an arch from c channel and weld it to the top, then cut the offending piece out?

What about using spacers to raise the t case up to where the carrier bearing would work as is?

Thanks a ton for the help.

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A one piece shaft will hit the cross member that the carrier bearing used to mount to. I would prefer to keep as much bracing in the frame as possible. I thought about a new cross member with a driveline loop in it, but I don't want to lose too much ground clearance, as I have no intent of lifting the truck at all.

I was also thinking about raising up the transfer case to make my idea with the two piece shaft work.

I was hoping to avoid custom fabrication by using all factory stuff, but it looks like that may not work.  This is my first big project like this. Any one part of it wasn't scary to me, but putting all those parts together made it a little scary for some reason.

Ive wished several times I'd have just fixed up the donor truck, but I was in love with the crew cab.  I hope I like it when it's finished. Lol

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I finally got my truck back in the garage, and got the 318 swapped for a 360 and got my transmission and transfer case installed. (Truck is/was a 74 dodge crew cab x200, 2wd/automatic.  Donor vehicle was an 86 w250 with a 360/manual trans.)

I ran Into a problem with the rear drive shaft.  My truck had a 2 piece drive shaft with the carrier bearing on a cross member toward the rear of the cab.  The donor truck had a one piece shaft.  The output for the rear on the t-case points straight at the pinion on the rear axle, but the cross member for the carrier bearing is in he way, and it looks like a one piece drive shaft would be about 8' long.  I originally planned to have the front section of the two piece drive shaft modified to fit but the carrier bearing is higher than the output on the t-case, so the drive shaft would go up then down to the axle.  The cross member that the carrier bearing bolts onto is riveted to the frame, which isn't a huge deal, but I think I want to keep a cross member in there, instead of cutting it out of the way.

I'm guessing that from the factory this truck would have used a divorced transfer case that bolted to that cross member.

Any tips or help would be appreciated, any pictures of running gear on converted or factory 4x4 crew cab dodge trucks of this vintage would be awesome. I'm a little over my head on this project, but that's what keeps it fun.  The suspension is all done, steering is done, and after I get driveshafts figured out, I'll be over the hump and back into areas that I'm more comfortable with.

Thanks!

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Powerplant, Driveline, and Braking / Re: Convert 2wd to 4wd?
« on: October 28, 2015, 11:44:13 PM »
I have the front suspension conversion done on my 74 d/w 200 crew cab.  I'm in the middle of some maintenance on my drivers right now, but as soon as those are done, I'm swapping the 727 out for a 4 speed and getting the transfer case in.

I bought a 86 w250 for a donor vehicle, and used all the brackets, cross members and necessary parts from that.

Need to drill holes for the rear spring hangers on the front springs, and a couple of holes for the steering box.

I used an oxy/acetylene torch to cut the rivets out, and grade 8 bolts with locking nuts to hold all the 4x parts in.

Mine is keeping the 318 for now because of funds, but if I could do it my way, it'd be getting an oil burner installed.

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