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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #950 on: August 25, 2016, 10:05:54 AM »
That whole area is going to undergo a transition where it is graveled in and has a respectable fire pit, although certainly a bit crooked and misaligned, but none the less, I'll build it anyway.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #951 on: August 25, 2016, 10:08:14 AM »
So the real reason I was down there for awhile was to create some floor space in my shed. More and more projects were cluttering the place and therefore I thought I'd spend some effort in organizing it into a compact but very useful space

It started looking like this:
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #952 on: August 25, 2016, 10:09:39 AM »
First up, I built some shelves and stored everything on the far end of my work bench
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« Reply #953 on: August 25, 2016, 10:10:55 AM »
And since I'm running the electricity at the moment, nailed up a shelf with it's own dedicated outlet to be the battery charger station
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #954 on: August 25, 2016, 10:12:57 AM »
Then I located an old metal shelf unit in the bad house and cleaned it up and screwed it to the wall. I mounted the legs to the folding bench and built a rack from scrap 2 X 6's to hang all the tools I am accumulating down there
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #955 on: August 25, 2016, 10:14:27 AM »
Basic concept of the operation was to get everything off the floor

Before/After
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #956 on: August 25, 2016, 10:14:47 AM »
Good work. The orange will weather out in a few weeks.

Did you miss the top row of shingles on the rack?
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #957 on: August 25, 2016, 10:16:00 AM »
I'm not done, but definitely a good way down the road

All that, two sandwiches, two showers, some quality sleep and that little trip is in the bag!
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #958 on: August 25, 2016, 10:16:59 AM »
Good work. The orange will weather out in a few weeks.

Did you miss the top row of shingles on the rack?
No, just folded it over on the top side to act as a drip sill...

It's a fire wood rack...

Oh and on the shed rack thing, I forgot to bring drip rail, so I just left the shingle hanging out until I can get some and finish it
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #959 on: August 25, 2016, 10:34:13 AM »
Looks great !!
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #960 on: August 25, 2016, 11:04:21 AM »
Now if only I can do that with the shed at the cabin!
Looks great there Chief!
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #961 on: August 25, 2016, 11:52:31 AM »
Way to unclutter the place!
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #962 on: August 25, 2016, 12:35:44 PM »
So how's the coating you put on the floor holding up?
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #963 on: August 25, 2016, 12:46:19 PM »
That looks really great Don....lots of good work!

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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #964 on: August 25, 2016, 04:30:40 PM »
Wow, nice looking golf course you got going!  How's the well?
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #965 on: August 25, 2016, 05:48:11 PM »
So how's the coating you put on the floor holding up?
Holding up very well, Bobby.

Hardly a scratch, well deep scratch. I'd say by the time I put some rubber blocks down it's done.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #966 on: August 25, 2016, 05:50:12 PM »
Wow, nice looking golf course you got going!  How's the well?
I cleaned it out

Just waiting to get the time to put the building up around it and do the solar pump, the 1500 gal tank and the line up to the shed
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #967 on: August 25, 2016, 05:55:50 PM »
Was wondering if you had a water test performed.  Now with the cabin floor clear, I suspect that stove will make it's way back home?
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #968 on: August 25, 2016, 06:25:24 PM »
Was wondering if you had a water test performed.  Now with the cabin floor clear, I suspect that stove will make it's way back home?
On the stove subject

I am trying to figure out the quickest/easiest/least cost way of installing it

As you know, that corner is nothing but open structure, nice welding table quality pine.

I was thinking of laying up some cement board, the coming over that with brick, but I'd like to skip the brick because of the cost and the work involved.

Any suggestions?
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #969 on: August 25, 2016, 06:32:32 PM »
Cheap......

If it needs to be near a wall, go buy that concrete board. Or if it sits in the middle of the room or like 4-5' from the wall in the corner just put the concrete board under it. Skip the SS high dollar vent. Run cheap black stove pipe up to the ceiling. Cut the roof back & install a big roof flange (so you can keep wood away from b vent that will go through flange and exit into the air above cabin. Slap a b vent cap on & call it a day. You have a high ceiling b vent at roof won't be that hot. The stove pipe that is single thin wall will help heat the cabin. FYI I ran a setup in my first shop like this for 6 years burning dried pine with lots of creosote in it. No issues. I spray foamed the walls it was a 30x40 shop with 16' peak inside & I could have you in a t-shirt sweating when it was single digits out with that stove. Any questions pm me but that's the least expensive route, change out stove pipe when it gets holes in it........ ;)

This was all assuming the exhaust comes out the top of the stove & you want to go thru the roof. If it comes out the back of the stove horizontally & you want to exit side wall pm me & I can give you cheap way to do that as well.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #970 on: August 25, 2016, 07:30:32 PM »
Another on the cheap.
Buy the cement board.
Buy some light gauge sheet metal.
Make stand offs 1" long out of small diameter tubing copper is cheap and easy to cut. Place stand offs behind sheet metal and screw to wall. Gives you a 1" airspace behind the metal.

On the chimney, I put full on Selkirk in my sauna as well. Now you have more height.
Not sure if Sears sell the stuff in the US but they do up here.
They make double wall telescoping sections, providing nearly the heat of single wall. Transition it to legit insulated chimney at the roof and done.

Best of both worlds in my mind.
Having said that I run single wall pipe in my tent in the winter so by no means do I discount Shawns suggestions either.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #971 on: August 25, 2016, 09:19:49 PM »
If you look back a few pages, you'll see the triple wall stainless pipe I salvaged from the old house.

The smoke pipe comes out the back and angles upward

I planned to push the pipe out through the back wall, horizontally, with that "T" fitting that turns straight up.

I'll see if I can find a pic...
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #972 on: August 25, 2016, 09:25:40 PM »
I was mistaken, the smoke pipe is on the top.

Here are the two pieces I plan to reuse, and bring single wall black stove pipe up and over to the "T" in the wall
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #973 on: August 25, 2016, 10:06:50 PM »
I was thinking concrete board under stove with a layer of slate/tile and same behind stove but off finished wall an inch for air cushion - concrete board and tile will hold and radiate heat too.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #974 on: August 25, 2016, 10:18:04 PM »
Don, creosote build with the more 90's you put in so more cleaning is needed to prevent fires. Stove looks like the exhaust comes out the top. Remove the T & run black pipe up to the ss & go thru the roof. Or do it like you said you were going to & I can make fun of you later when you're wearing that tall black hat.......

Basically do more work up front, put the pipe thru the roof & save yourself headache & work later.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #975 on: August 25, 2016, 11:01:52 PM »
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #976 on: August 25, 2016, 11:11:43 PM »
Don, do like Shwan says and go straight up through the roof.
I try to burn only hardwoods to keep the creosote down.
I cleaned my chimney last weekend prepping for the burn season. My 6" flue was 4 1/2", full of it.
I reworked my pipe to have a clean out tee as mine exits the rear of the stove.
It is so much easier cleaning a straight shot than fishing the brush around corners.
Now I drop the bottom off the tee, add a garbage bag and voila ready to go.

Straight is simple. Straight is great. Elbows add problems, avoid if you can.
And with the outlet on top, go straight up. Too easy.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #977 on: August 26, 2016, 01:28:48 AM »
If you use cement board on the floor (great idea) lay some nicer looking brick/tile stuff on top. It is going to get dirty and that will clean much better than the porous cement board and add touch of cool to it.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #978 on: August 26, 2016, 03:21:06 AM »
If you use cement board on the floor (great idea) lay some nicer looking brick/tile stuff on top. It is going to get dirty and that will clean much better than the porous cement board and add touch of cool to it.
And the wife will give him props for trying to make the place look good. Ha!
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #979 on: August 26, 2016, 08:32:50 AM »
Don, creosote build with the more 90's you put in so more cleaning is needed to prevent fires. Stove looks like the exhaust comes out the top. Remove the T & run black pipe up to the ss & go thru the roof. Or do it like you said you were going to & I can make fun of you later when you're wearing that tall black hat.......

Basically do more work up front, put the pipe thru the roof & save yourself headache & work later.
I can't Shawn...

The second floor is right above. I'd have some goofy lookin' pipe coming through the floor, then out through the roof.

I planned on cutting a square hole right above the stove and covering with a steel wire to allow convective heat to enter the room during Bengal's games and chilli...
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #980 on: August 26, 2016, 09:36:12 AM »
I've seen guys go through floor #2 to heat that area as well (I watch a bunch of alaska shows :)  ). Just put a steel rail around it so sleeping bags don't light up.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #981 on: August 26, 2016, 09:43:08 AM »
Correct, if at all possible rethink your plan or layout of said stove and go straight up. As far as layout it would be best if stove was in center of building.

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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #982 on: August 26, 2016, 10:10:28 AM »
Heck, just snake the pipe all around to warm everything up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #983 on: August 26, 2016, 10:18:11 AM »
The less bends the better and running the pipe through the second floor would be good for getting heat up there.  That said if you do go through the side wall it looks like you already have a good chimney to keep the heat in.  Just make sure it is long enough for the number of bends you have.  More bends need more chimney.  The longer chimney increases the draft to make sure the smoke is pulled out.  Also, having a good insulated chimney keeps the heat in the chimney and helps prevent the build-up.  It might also be possible to layout with a 45 coming off the top of the stove and a second 45 going through the wall.  This would also be better than a single 90.

A floor vent directly above the stove would also heat the second floor well.  That is all they did in old houses.  Furnace in the basement with a floor vent in the first and second floor directly above to allow for heat to rise. 

How cold does it get there?  Maybe I missed it but you don't have any insulation installed to you?  The not to bitterly cold temps will also help cut down on the build-up in your chimney.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #984 on: August 26, 2016, 10:26:22 AM »
Heck, just snake the pipe all around to warm everything up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I like this plan the best!
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #985 on: August 26, 2016, 10:29:05 AM »
The less bends the better and running the pipe through the second floor would be good for getting heat up there.  That said if you do go through the side wall it looks like you already have a good chimney to keep the heat in.  Just make sure it is long enough for the number of bends you have.  More bends need more chimney.  The longer chimney increases the draft to make sure the smoke is pulled out.  Also, having a good insulated chimney keeps the heat in the chimney and helps prevent the build-up.  It might also be possible to layout with a 45 coming off the top of the stove and a second 45 going through the wall.  This would also be better than a single 90.

Well, now you boneheads have me thinking I need to go straight up, but stove can't be in the center because of limited floor space to start with

A floor vent directly above the stove would also heat the second floor well.  That is all they did in old houses.  Furnace in the basement with a floor vent in the first and second floor directly above to allow for heat to rise. 

I know, planned to do that, a 16" X 20" hole. I did that in the house I owned in the Tennessee. But thinking about it, I can run the flue straight up through that same hole in the floor and just keep on going up another 3-4 feet to penetrate the roof there.

How cold does it get there?

Generally not too awful bad, but sometimes we will have a week of below zero temps.

 Maybe I missed it but you don't have any insulation installed to you? 

No insulation at the moment. I do not plan to insulate the shop part of the shed, but I will apply R-19 in the floor and ceiling of the upstairs area. I only have 2 X 6 rafters, so R-19 is all that will fit, and get some R-13 in the short stubby walls in the upstairs and in that small service room downstairs


The not to bitterly cold temps will also help cut down on the build-up in your chimney.

I ran a wood burning stove in the past, and I don't seem to recall cleaning that thing. I'd burn one of those nuclear fusion logs and melt down that side of the house, but that's about it...

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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #986 on: August 26, 2016, 12:40:40 PM »
I think you would be just fine running it through the wall.  Might not be the most efficient but it would work fine.  If you are planning on insulating between the first and second floor running stove pipe through the floor would definitely help heat up there.  That is as long as you can locate it someplace out of the way but still somewhat centrally located.

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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #987 on: August 26, 2016, 12:59:52 PM »
As I'm sitting here listening to HS students try and crack my sanity (cafeteria supervision).......were I you Don, I'd insulate the outer walls, roof on 2nd floor and below the floor of the shop (Use styrofoam underneath cabin) and call it good!  Why trap heat in shop by insulating the ceiling above?  Easy heat transfer between floors, especially with expanded metal grate like you'll build above the stove and opened doors etc.  This way, cold stays out and heat stays in.......of course, you have a plan, and I'm staving off noise induced seizures at the moment, so......carry on!
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #988 on: August 26, 2016, 01:36:40 PM »
Looking at the picture of the pipe you salvaged, you'll have enough if you do go straight up.
Being that you will likely end up in a corner with the stove, you need to remember that the top of the pipe need to be "X" distance above the roof to allow the draft to work properly.

I think you have enough for that, only, and not nearly enough to run up the wall and then above roofline.

So your thoughts about straight up just make sense.
Run the flue up through to second floor, use single wall or even double to allow the most heat transfer. Then tie to the insulated stuff you have and done.
You'll have to make or buy the flanges and trim, but no real biggie.

I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #989 on: August 26, 2016, 02:59:27 PM »
Looking at the picture of the pipe you salvaged, you'll have enough if you do go straight up.
Being that you will likely end up in a corner with the stove, you need to remember that the top of the pipe need to be "X" distance above the roof to allow the draft to work properly.

I think you have enough for that, only, and not nearly enough to run up the wall and then above roofline.

So your thoughts about straight up just make sense.
Run the flue up through to second floor, use single wall or even double to allow the most heat transfer. Then tie to the insulated stuff you have and done.
You'll have to make or buy the flanges and trim, but no real biggie.


Honestly, straight up is sounding like it makes the most sense of all options.

And coming in with Mikey who is nearing insanity in the kid cafeteria, Maybe it would make the most sense not to insulate the second floor underside. Heck, saves $$$$...

On another note, I just picked up my new Land Pride Bush Hog

What a chunk! That thing dwarfs that spindly Deere thing. Honestly, the deere looks like a tinkertoy next to this thing. 10 ga (deere) and 1/2" steel on the LP is no comparison what so ever. The gear box in the LP is huge. Like bigger than a football, nearing basket ball size!
And the post hole auger is same/same. Just huge components on that thing. I think I can drill with confidence with that thing installed.

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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #990 on: August 26, 2016, 03:25:10 PM »
Dang it & here I was looking forward to pics of big D in the tall black top hat looking like dick van dyke in Mary poppins! ;D
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #991 on: August 26, 2016, 05:23:36 PM »
WHO WANTS IN ON EQUIPMENT DEAD POOL?

Mike - within 7th day of actual service something gets bent or broken associated with the new implements.  Either implement or machine it's attached to!  Scratches and paint damage don't count!

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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #992 on: August 26, 2016, 05:30:48 PM »
Does sq D not being operation count?
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #993 on: August 26, 2016, 05:40:30 PM »
Does sq D not being operation count?

Different build thread..........Hippy starting to rub off on you there Shawn? ;D
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #994 on: August 26, 2016, 06:32:57 PM »
I remember what we used to say about the monitors  ::)

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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #995 on: August 26, 2016, 06:36:01 PM »
Does sq D not being operation count?

Different build thread..........Hippy starting to rub off on you there Shawn? ;D

Sorry, equipment in general & technically sq d was deemed to be rolling parts store for the farm I thought...... ;D
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #996 on: August 26, 2016, 07:16:47 PM »
ill give it 1 day!  I have a feeling that don will utilize it in a manner in which it was not designed for to find out where the weak points of it are.

Don may have retired as a warrant occifer, but he started out as a private, and I think he still has a bit of that youngin in him still just clawing to get out every once in a while........;D
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #997 on: August 26, 2016, 07:22:41 PM »
ill give it 1 day!  I have a feeling that don will utilize it in a manner in which it was not designed for to find out where the weak points of it are.

Don may have retired as a warrant occifer, but he started out as a private, and I think he still has a bit of that TANK DRIVER in him still just clawing to get out every once in a while........;D

Fixed it for you!  ;D
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« Reply #998 on: August 26, 2016, 07:33:29 PM »
well yeah, that is a job for a private so
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Re: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2
« Reply #999 on: August 27, 2016, 09:00:14 PM »
Wow, you people have been busy!

So, I'll just disregard all that meaningless chatter and report that I actually got through the weekend, well two days with no damage. Well, none that I caused anyway!

So getting right into it, here is the new Land Pride heavy duty bush hog just loaded onto my trailer

And

The new Post hole digger, also a heavy duty unit
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