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« on: August 22, 2015, 07:11:24 PM »
Here's what I like about Trump. And I am not saying I would vote for him no matter what but he's got a lot going for him in my mind.

1. He's not a politician. Clearly. Ha! So he's not someone who has contributed to the problem we have seen in Washington. I tend to like Governors more than Senators and Reps for President because they at least have had to come up with a budget and make tough choices about where to spend money. Reps and Senators don't have to do that.

2. I like that he has made illegal immigration a front burner issue.  Get off the amnesty BULL*BLEEP*. If you are here illegally you need to leave. Ann Coulter has done a GREAT job articulating the harm these a-holes have wrought on our society beyond the cost of their welfare benefits. He's the only one saying build a wall (oh and get Mexico to pay for it!!) and make them leave.

3. He is an America first person. None of this "Cant we get along with the world" nonsense. He sees a world where America is #1 and everyone else is trying to catch up, and I like that. Plus I think he would play very different with terrorists here and around the world than Obama has (foreign combatants? What? In civil courts? WTF???)

4. He is also a dirty SOB. The ability to win in RE deals in NY and around the world is a benefit. I think Mitt Romney is as nice a person and smart, all the business sense anyone could ever hope for and would have made a GREAT President. but when Obama led with his chin about Benghazi in the debates and Mitt didn't knock his frigging block off I was like "uh-oh". Democrats have shown they will do and say ANYTHING to stay in power (Remember Dirty Harry Reid's comments about Mitt not paying his taxes?! WTF? And after the election he freely admitted it was a lie.). Republicans need a candidate that will play just as dirty and won't take ANY BS from the left out of fear of offending someone. I think Trump will do that and has the tough people around him to make it work. I know politics is dirty, but I will put money on NY RE development too as being a dirty game. Trump speaks so freely I get worried he will put his foot in his mouth but the John McCain thing didn't cause any long term problems and he actually came out with a pretty reasonable explanation of it. (I still think McCain is a hero for what happened in Viet Nam and the Hanoi Hilton but agree he has don't diddly on veteran issues since becoming a Senator).

Anyway....that's my sense. will he be the candidate? Who knows. A lot yet too take place but he seems to be doing all the right things.

Now it also looks more and more like Biden will be getting in and potentially with the fake indian from MA (Elizabeth Warren). (And trust me if that's who he picks I will have  LOT more to say about HER!!!! Yeesh! But I think Hillary is in real trouble and Obama letting the FBI go after the email servers is a sign (I think) he wants Biden (he can control Biden not Hillary). And I would LOVE to see a Biden Trump debate. I think Trump would eat his lunch.

So I am curious about how others see him? I realize there are other really good candidates and I would like to hear folks thoughts on them as well. I put the rest of the field in order of preference as probably - Scott Walker (has made tough decisions and won some tough fights already), Carly Fiorina (business background non-politician), Ben Carson (LOVE his ideas but a little light on the charisma/powerful personality factor), Bush (not strong enough and I think the country wants a fresh face), Rubio/Cruz (okay but don't stand out enough for me right now), everyone else....never mind. Ha.

 

 

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2015, 08:53:20 PM »
I see him as a show boater with no moral compass.  He was pro abortion and self identified as a democrat and also contributed heavily to Clinton and other democrats.  I like what he's saying but I can't shake that he may be put up to this by the Clintons to poison the election and run as an independent if needed to insure a Clinton win.


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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2015, 09:19:58 PM »
With you RN I really like what I hear, but have my doubts too.  Moral compass is clearly weak, business sense and patriotism is strong, but seems to have raised decent kids.  Vanity could be troublesome - look in mirror at the comb over - you are exhibiting weak perception Donald!

CLEARLY the majority are through with Political Correctness given his support- if he's not the candidate, I hope whomever is incorporates those things that are propelling Trump forward.
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2015, 09:32:47 PM »
If he does not make it and run as an independent. The next best candidate is Cruz.  Look at his track record. He is a brilliant orator and debater.


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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2015, 10:10:37 PM »
I wouldn't rule out Trump because he gave $$$ to the Clintons.

By his own very public admission, he invests in many politicians, then calls in the favors. He obviously saw the Clinton machine as a very powerful organization which he had to sow into to get what he might potentially want to get done...

He played business, that is not convictable in my view. He is strong. Not wishy-washy, and has nothing to loose. I believe he genuinely wants to give the WH a run. If he looses, because of all this Bo-Ha, he will be worth much, much more, so he's a winner either way
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2015, 11:19:45 PM »
I'm really glad people are chiming in with others they like....I need to learn more about the other candidates. I have always seen Trump's run as a waving the flag for his own brand somewhat....but I also am taken in by what he is saying and that he is getting  great message out. I do think he has given to lots of candidates like lots of businessmen in his role. I don't see him as a shadow candidate for the Clintons. I hope I am right.

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2015, 11:48:44 PM »
His morals are solid, a businessman and the all mighty dollar. What politician does not change his mind with the times?

As admitted he gives to the party in charge. I'm sure Bush was not left out.

I surely hope that Hillary is taken out, both parties are coming in now as well as the FBI. She is playing dumb and does have that real Clinton machine that Bill did.

I think Americans are getting louder about not liking the "next guy in line" and the professional who have got us to where we are.

Keep your eye on Fiorina too. Her as VP with Cruz would be great and lets not leave out Walker.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2015, 11:55:41 PM »
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2015, 09:53:47 AM »
I like Ben Carson form the stand point of putting hucksters - Sharpton and the like in their places!  He's also non-politician and a Dr. so who better to straighten out health care, the VA, Planned Parenthood.  I've liked him and thought he should run, for the past few years- could you imagine if he teamed up with the Milwaukee Sherriff?  There'd be some SERIOUS come to Jesus moments for thugs, crime and the like- then put Sherriff Joe Arpio in charge of Homeland Security!

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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2015, 10:55:51 AM »
Good discussion here

But this is the presidency

Donald is the clear candidate if he can hold out.

It's going to take some ball buster like him and not a compromising politician to reverse all the damage that has been done to our liberties.

Just yesterday Trump is saying he wants to do away with the anchor baby concept. I LIKE that. Takes balls to say stuff like that. He is playing to all of us who are fed up and kicking sand in the face of the liberals. He doesn't care one little bit what they think.

Fiorela or Carson or Cruz or possibly Walker as a VP would round out the ticket

My top pick for VP would be a toss up between Fiorela or Carson...Both super smart. Both accomplished. She gets the woman vote, Carson gets the black vote
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2015, 05:49:26 PM »
I don't see Trump getting any nomination. Walker is the golden boy, and he is where the money will be.

Since they are all crooked and clearly which party they all are on makes very little difference, I will just sit and shake my head as usual.

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2015, 06:56:54 PM »
I don't see Trump getting any nomination. Walker is the golden boy, and he is where the money will be.

Since they are all crooked and clearly which party they all are on makes very little difference, I will just sit and shake my head as usual.

norm, I think that this may be the problem that a lot of folks are starting to figure out.  if he is getting all this money from all different kinds of folks then I can see them coming back later on down the line and saying "remember all the money I donated to your campaign?".....!
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2015, 08:51:42 AM »
Nate.... I completely agree. I guess as Americans we just have to ask ourselves which is the lesser evil.

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2015, 09:32:56 AM »
I can't get over the fact that Cruz sounds like Ned Flanders. Carson is smart, but not electable. Bush is, well, a Bush. Walker I'm still trying to feel out. Fiorina is the ace in the hole at VP.

Hate to say it, as I'm a fervent supporter of Rand Paul, but I think it'll be Trump/Fiorina '16, "making America Great Again".

The Donald may be lacking in substance and sometimes statesmanship, and has a checkered past, but he's got balls. W had balls. Mitt, no balls.

I think there are others that would make a better president, but getting there is a key. Next prez is going to have SCOTUS nominations, so it's critical it's not a dem in there even if it's not the "best" conservative.


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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2015, 10:31:21 AM »
I would like to see Walker with either Fiorina or Cruz.

Walker has proven himself in several elections in a Blue state. His policies have won over both sides and he showed special interest is not ahead of what is right.

As much as I like what Trump says, I don't see him going all the way.

Now if they would just finish taking hillary out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2015, 11:25:10 AM »
Having lived in Wis and still having many friends there I will say Walker is not as "pure" as many like to pretend. I do however feel he's the only electable Rep possibility. And we as a nation could, and have done much worse...many times.

Jr.....Wis isn't a blue state in reality as to how most people think. It's got some large blue cities which effectively swings the vote that way. It's also a welfare state, again helping the blue side.... The reason Walker has done what he has is he was able to generate enough "fire" in the states population to get them out to vote. That offset the Democratic strong hold from the big cities. And the economy being less than grand in Wis fired up the "red" taxpayers and they voted in numbers...and for that he gets credit. But timing was everything....

Doing that on a large nation wide scale, will take some "fix's" to his policy I feel. He has to lean a bit less right (in other words be rational) on his abortion stance. And he has to get some actual policies on the table regarding the issues that this country is concerned about. Namely the economy, debt, and immigration. Real workable policies that people can get behind.

And the SOONER the "word" is out regarding a likely running mate the better. The republicans look like a bunch of idiots at the moment in regards to how they are handling this all...including trump.




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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2015, 04:47:12 PM »
Having lived in Wis and still having many friends there I will say Walker is not as "pure" as many like to pretend. I do however feel he's the only electable Rep possibility. And we as a nation could, and have done much worse...many times.

Jr.....Wis isn't a blue state in reality as to how most people think. It's got some large blue cities which effectively swings the vote that way. It's also a welfare state, again helping the blue side.... The reason Walker has done what he has is he was able to generate enough "fire" in the states population to get them out to vote. That offset the Democratic strong hold from the big cities. And the economy being less than grand in Wis fired up the "red" taxpayers and they voted in numbers...and for that he gets credit. But timing was everything....

Doing that on a large nation wide scale, will take some "fix's" to his policy I feel. He has to lean a bit less right (in other words be rational) on his abortion stance. And he has to get some actual policies on the table regarding the issues that this country is concerned about. Namely the economy, debt, and immigration. Real workable policies that people can get behind.

And the SOONER the "word" is out regarding a likely running mate the better. The republicans look like a bunch of idiots at the moment in regards to how they are handling this all...including trump.


Couldn't agree more Norm. Wis sounds a lot like Ca. The state is Red (didn't this red-blue all get reversed a time back?) with pockets of Blue in SO Ca. and SF, and talk about a welfare state!
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2015, 05:39:44 PM »
I think the challenge for anyone running is to play sufficiently to the base to win the nomination (and this is true on both sides) and then come back to the center to win the actual election. While this may well be a challenge for trump or walker or anyone on the R side, it will be an even bigger challenge for Hillary or any of the Dems because they will have to "out socialist" sanders and then try to explain their positions to the rest of america. (Of course....it's always so easy in my mind.... ::))

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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2015, 01:20:12 PM »
Why in the heck does he think it's a good idea to keep attacking Megyn Kelly??

Seriously... senseless drama.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/25/roger-ailes-trump-s-new-attack-on-megyn-kelly-is-unacceptable-and-disturbing.html
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2015, 02:55:23 PM »
Why in the heck does he think it's a good idea to keep attacking Megyn Kelly??

I totally agree.....with everything else out there that's where he picks his "battle"? I don't get it.

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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2015, 03:41:46 PM »
Fighting within the republican camp, just what the other side devours.
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2015, 08:17:19 PM »
but he hit a home run today lighting up Jorge Ramos from Univision.  Ramos is a tool of the pro illegal immigration reform and Trump put him in his place.
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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2015, 08:34:25 PM »
I'm still undecided. There are things I like about Trump. But, I like Cruze and Carson. I like Huckabee the most. I've liked him since he took over for Paul Harvy. I don't think he will make it tho. I am really praying we don't have another Bush Clinton race. I like the Bushes I am sure Jeb would be just fine but it's time to get fresh meat.
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2015, 11:27:46 PM »
Trump knows the press game, publicity etc. - he goes crazy, EVERYONE covers it, he's in the news cycle constantly so he stays relevant, gets wide coverage etc.  Any press is better than no press, so he keeps pushing the "buttons"!
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2015, 11:56:08 PM »
I just watched his interview with O'Reiley... And I have to say, as a relatively well studied economist, half the stuff he says is totally rubbish. Like getting tough on China... Trade war with China is the last thing this country needs. Talk about inflation... He's quick to victimize the U.S. relative to China and Mexico, but newsflash, trade with Mexico and China has increased the U.S. people's purchasing power tremendously. Yeah of course some of the manufacturing should be brought home, and would probably be better quality, but c'mon it's not like people haven't enjoyed cheap goods this whole time. And immigration... Mass deportations? That's ruthless. There's already crops not being harvested because a lack of labor. Don't tell me that our 47million unemployed are gonna pick up the slack, because, well, they aren't now. Watch your produce prices double when the wages have to double to harvest it. Not all ag I'm sure, but certainly a lot.

I like how he has gumption and isn't afraid to speak his mind, but damn... Destroying trade relations with China and booting all illegal Mexicans would be catastrophic to the low and middle class.

Now, if elected, he probably couldn't even do half the stuff he says he'd do... Legally or logistically, so there's that.

Personally, I think the country needs to look inward to fix our issues. Each person should feel a duty to add value and take personal accountability. Not blame others for our laziness and incompetence. It troubles me that the person leading the polls is leading on anger towards externalities and basically controlling the press, because I don't believe that's the crux of the issue. Our own citizens don't work, don't save or invest, aren't responsible or disciplined, care more about sports and celebrities than civics and their professions, etc etc etc. That's not China's fault, nor Mexico's. And that's the primary message coming from The Donald.

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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2015, 12:42:12 AM »
Huckabee is not a conservative. I used to listen to him on the radio. He doesn't talk to people, he tells people.

I heard the univision clown today, Trump did him good.

China needs us more than we need them. They sell a lot, but not high tech. They have cheap labor is what makes em a player at all.

And we would not have to boot out one person. Secure the border and take away incentives is all. No $$ to any state or city who gives benefits or asylum to a non-citizen or illegal. No work-no welfare, no stay!!
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2015, 07:11:23 AM »
Kyle, Not all illegal aliens are picking crops.  We don't need 11, or 14 or 20 million, depending on who you ask. to pick our crops.  If you look at the unemployment rate amongst 18-25 year old blacks and Hispanic US citizens and compare it to the nearly 100% employment of the illegal immigrants, you will quickly see that we have huge unemployment in our young people because we are allowing cheap labor to flood the border and take their job opportunities.  We can't give welfare and unemployment to millions of people out of work and then give healthcare and other benefits to the illegals that came and took their jobs.  Not a sustainable economic policy.

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2015, 08:49:20 AM »
I typed a large long reply to this topic.... I deleted it. I lack confidence that much of anyone wants to hear my opinion LoL 

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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2015, 08:59:07 AM »
Interesting discussion going on here
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« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2015, 09:36:57 AM »
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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2015, 11:20:16 AM »
I typed a large long reply to this topic.... I deleted it. I lack confidence that much of anyone wants to hear my opinion LoL

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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2015, 11:43:42 AM »
Kyle, Not all illegal aliens are picking crops.  We don't need 11, or 14 or 20 million, depending on who you ask. to pick our crops.  If you look at the unemployment rate amongst 18-25 year old blacks and Hispanic US citizens and compare it to the nearly 100% employment of the illegal immigrants, you will quickly see that we have huge unemployment in our young people because we are allowing cheap labor to flood the border and take their job opportunities.  We can't give welfare and unemployment to millions of people out of work and then give healthcare and other benefits to the illegals that came and took their jobs.  Not a sustainable economic policy.

Not all illegal aliens are picking crops is true, but most that are picking crops are illegal aliens [truthfully, I can only really speak to west coast Ag, especially WA state, can't imagine it's much different elsewhere though unless it's largely mechanized farming]. You say we are "allowing cheap labor to flood the border and take their job opportunities"... as if they want the job opportunities. Going to be hard to find a citizen that's on the dole that's gonna pick Apples for National Ag Minimum Wage.

Absolutely, we can't entitle illegals to social programs like welfair, stamps, etc, especially since a lot don't pay taxes, and send their money via Western Union right back to Ole Mexico. (Which is why a consumption tax makes a lot of sense to me, instead of income tax). I never said the illegals should get benefits.

I guess what irritates me the most is that people are lapping Trump up like a parched dog. It's like he can say anything, no matter how ridiculous, and people will be like "F Yeah 'Merica baby Trump '16".  And if he gets called out by someone for talking baloney, like Rand Paul recently did, he just bullies his way through it. Saying you're going to buy the President of China a Big Mac instead of a nice White House dinner is poor statesmanship, and people are lovin it! The average citizen that is lovin' his crucifixion of China turn around and go right down to Wal Mart/Target/anywhere and buy all their crap, made in China, super cheap. Same people that are lovin his butchering of Mexico are lovin' their monthly landscaping at $10/hr and cheap Apples and Avocados.

Look, I like Donald's fire... the GOP needs it. The whole stand against Political Correctness is good, long overdue. I just don't want him to make this primary into a circus act, and de-legitimize Conservatism. Last thing we need when Socialism is gaining steam with the likes of Bernie and Warren popping up and filling arena's with 30k people.

Now, i absolutely love the Make America Great Again trucker hat, and would totally rock one of those on the weekends.
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2015, 06:08:16 PM »
$10 an hour is a sustainable livable wage in many areas of this country. It's considered a decent paying job in many areas as well.

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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2015, 06:13:10 PM »
I enjoy a well thought out discussion.  I can't learn anything from people that always agree with me. Kyle I think we all can agree that hyperbole won the ignorant liberal vote in 2008 and hyperbole will play a role again.  Unfortunately most voters are ignorant of facts. 


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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2015, 06:42:02 PM »
I agree Norm, been there myself when work was slow thats what I did.

IF you didn't get foodstamps or any other benefit and you and your family had to eat, you would work anywhere (see above) They are not doing that for free, nor all the other jobs they have taken over. Americans did it many years ago and would again if that is all there was or you don't eat.

Same goes for construction, landscaping and about any other work there is.


On another note, did you hear about how using search engines can sway the elections? People don't use their heads and hardly ever go to the 2nd-3rd page on a search. 60% of the time they hit the 1st or second item and that is the gospel! Now what if you controlled what came up 1st, like google does?
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2015, 07:04:22 PM »
I'm trying to bite my tongue when illegals are brought up...but, if you really want an idea on how many are crossing the border, visit it, from Texas to Cali.
It's one thing to hear numbers, but to see it is something entirely different. There are what appears, at first glance, to be cattle trails, running South to North, about every 100 yards or so in the more popular areas. The only thing that gives them away is the trash, and sneaker tracks. To have so many people traveling along that the ground is depressed 6", multiplied by x amount of trails, covering how many miles across 3 states? urrrrr

I'm tired of it, send them packin'!!!!

If there's roughly 500,000/year apprehended how many actually get through?

Tid bit: Less than 6% of illegal immigrants work in ag. That would be between 1 and 2 million.

I don't care why they're here, or how they help me or my family, they are here illegally. We can't have people sneaking in our back door, period.
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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2015, 07:15:40 PM »
Norm/JR,

Sure, i get that (bear in mind I'm in western WA... just south of Seattle. high cost of living relative to most areas, so $10 isn't much here for work outside of fast food). Didn't mean to offend anybody in the midwest making that wage, sorry Norm if that's how it was interpreted. The nominal rate i cited was just to make a point, that around here your average citizen wouldn't touch the work for the wage that the Mexicans will do it for. And we can all agree that social entitlements are a disincentive to work.

Charles,

I agree, and it bugs me. Majority of people are sheeple... wandering about as they're told. Bahhhhhh.

Ken,

I agree in principle as well. This is a land of laws. They're here illegally, and that's a problem.

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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2015, 09:08:18 PM »
Laws only work if applied to all the same.

Now I will say. I may be doing the same as they if I was from anywhere but here!
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2015, 09:28:48 PM »
I have a sobering thought for everyone to consider

We as a western culture are dying...literally

For a culture to be sustainable it needs to support a birth rate of at least 2.1:2.
So every married couple needs to have 2.1 kids. THe two kids replace the parents when they die, and the .1 allows for growth. Cultures either are gorwing or they are dying. No idling along at the same size, that doesn't work

Now the US has the highest birth rate of any western culture/country. Our rate is 1.8:2

So we are dying, growing smaller each year.

Islam on the other hand has the highest birthrate. They "Enjoy" a rate of 8:2!!!
Yep each family replaces itself and adds three more families to the mix.

Islam flourishes best in western permissive cultures and wanes a bit the farther they get away from a Christian nation. Purely Islamic nations like Yemen and Afghanistan just kill that rate and life spans are all the way down into the high 30's on average (38 for the stan)

So we need some talent coming in to fortify our numbers. Mexicans, Guatemalans, and the like come from a predominately Christian (Catholic) background.

So given the choice which would you prefer? Barry O is all about bring in as many of his kin as he can get away with. They are infecting areas like Flint, Detroit, Dearborn, Minneapolis, and Washington.

Personally I'll take the Mexicans or Latino, but not without condition.

Oh and if you think we Christians are not stupid. have you seen who is the largest sponsoring agency to take in and resettle these Muslims.

The American Lutheran Church.
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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2015, 09:44:52 PM »
The ALC has resettled a few in our area of the country. Most go to their church rather devoutly, and seem to be pretty normal citizens. Most are Africans....for what ever that's worth. Guess I won't begin to believe all Muslims are AK47 touting nut bags. There have been some that were problematic... they clashed with some Russian's. They pretty much seem to have settled that disagreement a decade or so back, least around here.

I noticed today none of our leaders, or candidates had much to say about the sens less BS in VA today... a telling sign.



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« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2015, 08:58:10 AM »
The ALC has resettled a few in our area of the country. Most go to their church rather devoutly, and seem to be pretty normal citizens. Most are Africans....for what ever that's worth. Guess I won't begin to believe all Muslims are AK47 touting nut bags. There have been some that were problematic... they clashed with some Russian's. They pretty much seem to have settled that disagreement a decade or so back, least around here.

I noticed today none of our leaders, or candidates had much to say about the sens less BS in VA today... a telling sign.



Norm, are you saying they go to the Lutheran church(Good thing) or that they go to their mosque?
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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2015, 11:44:58 AM »
All the families I am aware of go to the ALC church in the town they live. They do all seem to integrate into society and I guess one way to look at it... they are as normal as everyone else LoL




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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2015, 01:15:15 PM »
All the families I am aware of go to the ALC church in the town they live. They do all seem to integrate into society and I guess one way to look at it... they are as normal as everyone else LoL




That is encouraging to hear.
As long as you can tale the muslim out of the Islamic, there is hope.

I have two ways of looking at the same problem.

First I have spent three wars and 5-6 years over in Jordan, Saudi-Arabia, UAE, Iraq, Afghanistan, and even some time up in what was formerly Russia, one of the "Stans" so I had wide exposure with the Islamic culture.

I could see moderation and I could see extremists. The ones who have fallen into the black/white Islam/everyone else have a hatred for the western ways which can only be cured by isolation or high velocity projectiles or very rapidly expanding gas.

My thoughts go to the warrior side, knowing what they represent in their purest form is nothing less than death of my culture, no middle ground by their definition. So that makes them an enemy of everything I hold sacred.

The other side of me says, well if they come here, there is nothing stopping me from witnessing to them and telling them the truth which is our God and Jesus. That part I embrace. If someone like the ALC has broken the ice in that area, then what you have is American immigrants. Not Muslims, but former countrymen from Syria, or Iraq...Big difference.

Caveat: Having served all those years on those battlefields, I have a wary eye. I guess I'm a honorary Missouri resident in that way, cause you'll have to "Show me."

Knowing how it is the way, really, it is their way to lie. They do not keep promises and are only loyal to family, clan, and Islam. So my "Show me" will take some time...years...

Now I see them hustling to get jobs, being honest citizens, serving in the local volunteer fire department (I do), then OK, I'm seeing something. Then the next time some Islamic whack-job shoots someone for no good reason, I see them visibly angry because of the death of an innocent, then I'll start to believe them have become one of us.
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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2015, 02:07:44 PM »
^^ this. Yes.


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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2015, 02:26:22 PM »
$10 an hour is a sustainable livable wage in many areas of this country. It's considered a decent paying job in many areas as well.

That's all I have to say.

funny thing is our state minimum wage is over $9.50.
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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2015, 02:56:28 PM »
Right on Don.
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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2015, 03:23:18 PM »
 In Seattle, I'd think that if you made $9.50 an hour you would be almost homeless.


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« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2015, 03:52:37 PM »
In Seattle, I'd think that if you made $9.50 an hour you would be almost homeless.

In downtown Seattle, rent for a 400 sq ft studio apartment is at least $1500/month...
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« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2015, 03:58:18 PM »
Most of those that Norm is seeing are likely converts from impoverished nations like west Africa that have been touched by the missionaries there. They are African and Arabic of descent, but Christian in religion. Most of the Mexican/latinos are also Christian, and like Don posted, i'll take them over the other, but RN has a strong point as well does Kyle. We have allowed ourselves to become dependent on the illegals, and also need to get rid of their parasitic nature on our country and lifestyle. we have to rip the bandaid off in one fell swoop. it's going to hurt, produce will go up, but unemployment amongst legitimate Americans will go down, they will be able to afford the higher priced produce, bringing demand up and cost down again. time will level this. wages will come up to entice people that were "above" working in fields, and teenagers will reclaim their rightful place in the workforce of part time fast food, agriculture etc. as they used to be. Do it right, do it legally and all are welcome. Asian, European, Mexican, south American, Cuban, Russian, all illegal residents pose the same problem and drain the same resources. the problem that trump faces is he's made such a focus of one group it comes off as racist or bigoted. we need someone to focus on the actual problems and as Kyle stated, start from within. get rid of the mentality that keeps our kids and unemployed from swallowing their pride and working these jobs that are marketed directly towards the illegals that they are "too good for".  their wages going up here in Seattle are a double edged sword, because most of them will be brought into a tax bracket that excludes them from state assistance. then when they all quit or reduce their hours to keep their yearly earnings under the limit, more new hires will come on to compensate for the loss in the workload. Too many scattered thoughts here, I'm sorry, but everyone has some good points that I wanted to touch on.

Borders should be appropriate filters, allowing asylum for the needy, (proper channels), opportunity for a new life, (not freebies), and should invite those that would build up and support us not let the air out of the tires. So many possible analogies here, but we got tired of putting our fingers in the dam, but now that we have the whole dam supported by them it would cause catastrophic collapse to remove them all at once. All the illegals from all origins are plugged into the system in one way or another, but their voids would eventually filled. Can you imagine a new York cabbie that actually sounded like a new York cabbie rather than "insert unintelligible accent here"? There has to be a legitimate oxy moron here; we need blanketed reform with surgically precise action.

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Re: Donald Trump
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2015, 04:15:57 PM »
$1500 a month doesn't surprise me. That's Roughly $50 a day.....

$550 a month = Roughly $20 a day.

$9.50 x 160 = $1520.00 Before taxes...

So In Seattle you'd be homeless at $1500 a month. Here you'd have almost a grand to spend yet. Probably true of many city vs small town cultures.

So in a general sense $20k a year salary here = $60k there. In so far as housing.

Milk is $3.69gal
Gas today was $2.27
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I have no idea how these prices compare....but it doesn't surprise me that folks that live in the larger cities often have a different view of the world.

Neb is one of the higher taxed States in the nation, then again looks like we can afford it.










 

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