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Load out: (this may become lengthy) Don your load out recommendations are solid advice I feel if confronting human beings. though It might get you killed on the Ranch. First some background...I CC a .380 Kimber Micro when I need to conceal (not often) Other wise I open carry a full frame Kimber .45, or sometimes a PT99 if on the "ranch" both have failed me multiple times in "defense" Hence the last few years I just keep the 870 very close. My learning experiences...I was repairing a broken pivot in tall grass. Out of the blue a angry wild boar just shows up charging. No clue what his issue was, rare they ever bother you. He was 20' away when I got my first glimpse..I heard him way before I could see him. I took 3 fast shots at a less than ideal angle with the 9mm. Then I ran for the pickup hood...and emptied the other 14 into him as i ran. I jumped on the hood, he died when he hit the bumper. I hit him all total 15 times. Too small of a gun...simple reality. So I decided the shot gun was the answer because despite my always having a 45/70 lever in the pickup it still requires semi precise shot placement on larger animals, and smaller ones are harder to hit period. I load it 00 00 then slug/00/the rest slugs. Here is the reason... most "critters" I have to shoot are smaller, maneuverable, and in brush/grass. I once had to use it on a badger that was determined to tear me apart. First shot of that 00 slowed him down a LOT but it took #2 to stop him. Bird shot or even #6 would have just pissed him off more...00 removed chunks. That second shot had it been a slug may have missed.Last spring Kay and I were way out in the hills fixing a fence corner. I was carrying the Kimber .45 Kay had the 870. This steer grazing about 35' from us had been minding his own business for almost a hour..we had the fence almost repaired. Out of the blue he paws the ground and charges right at me. I draw the .45 and I see Kay go for the 870 10' from her. I got 4 shots into his chest area and he just lowered his head and charged harder. Then the 870 starts barking... she hit him two to the head with the 00 slowing him but he's still coming with half his head skin and one eye gone, and she flat gutted him with the remaining slugs to his chest/shoulder. Never was I so thankful for not only her practicing dumping lead fast on target, but also for the load out. That steer died on his feet falling and knocked me over. My .45 was empty.... useless toy guns against large angry creatures. I also know of a Milk cow gone mad who took 7 .45 to the head and chest and still mauled the pickup the farmer dove into for 2 min before dropping. In my world... self defense is not from humans. They don't worry me too much. Sad day I have to draw any weapon on a human being... on animals it's just part of life at times, and isn't uncommon to need to stop them HARD. Recently my sons and I were shooting paper at 40 yards with the hand guns. We practice long because in my experience it's valuable. We were crowing about our groups on the multiple targets. My Kimber Micro is a tack driver at that range for a CC weapon..the PT99 is just flat as accurate all day. The kids Glock was holding well also.... Kay walks up with her Benelli and proceeds to hammer two targets with the 00 and then blow the wooden posts n half with slugs. Her way of saying supper was ready. At supper the oldest son says "Dad, I fear Kay and her shotgun" LoLLOL I like KAy's style!
Quote from: Flyin6 on December 13, 2017, 11:46:09 PMOf the things I have witnessed, there was usually some narcotic involved. Hash, Heroin, THC, and even some guys speedin' along. You shoot someone like that and they will just keep motoring. THe narcotic masks the pain, the drug takes the shock of being hit off one's mind, and in many cases dead people just kept staying in the fight.In my younger years I bounced and bartended a lot of places. Used to do armed security in a few Mexican bars in CO. The single most difficult person I ever removed from a bar was a scrawny 5' 5" or so 140 lb 14 yo kid on PCP (They had a restaurant side so any age could be in there the young ones had to stay on the restaurant side unless they were dancibg). Little bugger was darn near super human. He spreadeagled himself in the doorway and I literally couldn't get him out. I backed up about 6 feet or so and ran at him, my shoulder into the small of his back got him through, and into the wall about 4 feet past the doorway. Never saw anything like it. Crazy drug.There's a cop training video of a guy coming out of a house with a gun on PCP. I forget how many rounds the cops put in him but he just keeps coming. I want to say it's 25-30 rounds or so. Creepy stuff.
Of the things I have witnessed, there was usually some narcotic involved. Hash, Heroin, THC, and even some guys speedin' along. You shoot someone like that and they will just keep motoring. THe narcotic masks the pain, the drug takes the shock of being hit off one's mind, and in many cases dead people just kept staying in the fight.
Still recovering from my shoulder injury....so at some point when it stops being sore after a few mags of anything above a .22 I intend to set up a Glock as you described. If it turns out I don't like it long term, I am sure one of my boys will buy it LoLATM I am screwing together a 24" barrel AR for sniping prairie dogs at about 300-400 yards. This must have been a good breeding year for them, time to trim the population back a bit. They are making a mess out of the river banks on one of our properties. I scored a new Anderson upper complete with a NB BCG for $325 (he finally caved in Nate LoL) So assuming I can find some inexpensive glass that gets the job done, and is befitting a truck gun type of life (read it will get banged around a little) I should be under my monthly gun budget yet LoL Today's project between "work moments" is to find where I hid a lower I had already assembled with a nice trigger and A1 stock...assuming I can find that, I should be able to go run the barrel in this weekend. Then if it all works as planned I can disassemble and have it coated this next week and call it done tell I find the glass I want. Best laid plans and all that.....Lol
OldKoot Thanks man. There was such a big hype for these and then it went silent. I just want to get my hands on one to see what the hype is all about. We have been making mag fed 12 gauges for years..curious to see how these are done.