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Title: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
Last night will be a night to remember.
I was sitting in my office writing something on this site when the two boys followed by mom came in with a long brown box with the words "Sig Sauer" on it!

She bought me that Sig 716, 7.62 AR gun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I had lusted over the thing back in the spring but couldn't bring myself to pay the steep asking price. She paid attention, then paid for the gun! Then gave it to me for a joint anniversary/Christmas gift

Here it is:
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2015, 01:46:15 PM
SO well built!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2015, 01:48:10 PM
This is not a gas gun...nope, a piston clean chamber gun
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2015, 01:49:25 PM
Came with this super cool plug in sling
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2015, 01:52:07 PM
That fits perfectly

Nice grip with a covered compartment, great furniture and very tight. Takes a concentrated push to get the pins loose in this gun.

Think I'll loosen up those pins some this weekend!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Wilbur on December 08, 2015, 02:25:00 PM
YOU are a fortunate man! Good for you and enjoy. Looking to the initial range report.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2015, 02:33:42 PM
Already, I am thinking about which sort of optic I want for it???

I like holo sights

But this is a .308

has mo-range

So a scope

Like a 30mm tube, mil dot reticle, and what magnification

Granted I am shooting a what, 16" barrel here??

So no M1A, but gonna have serious smack down at 500 yards

It's the tucky. Translation: Not many long range shots

So what a 3X9???

Fixed 4X???

Redfield, Leopold? cheapo Bariska?

Holo + Magnifier?

Co witnessed with flip up sights?

After Christmas, and after getting SquareD running and whatever else, then optics time.

Give me some time to wear it in properly!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 08, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
Already, I am thinking about which sort of optic I want for it???

I like holo sights

But this is a .308

has mo-range

So a scope

Like a 30mm tube, mil dot reticle, and what magnification

Granted I am shooting a what, 16" barrel here??

So no M1A, but gonna have serious smack down at 500 yards

It's the tucky. Translation: Not many long range shots

So what a 3X9???

Fixed 4X???

Redfield, Leopold? cheapo Bariska?

Holo + Magnifier?

Co witnessed with flip up sights?

After Christmas, and after getting SquareD running and whatever else, then optics time.

Give me some time to wear it in properly!

ACOG has 308 based reticles. This is just a quick snatch and grab I did since I'm relaxing on the couch.

https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=ACOG&mid=5.5%20x%2050

As for holosights, an EoTech paired with a G.33 magnifier would work out fine for mid-range shooting. The one I listed below has 4 dots (1 MOA) each for aiming points out to 600 yds or 548m. Which ever you prefer to call it.

http://www.eotechinc.com/holographic-weapon-sights/holographic-hybrid-sight-I-exps3-4-with-g33sts-magnifier


If you wish to throw a scope on it, a 2.5-10 or 4-16x Vortex would fit the bill quite nicely while not breaking the wallet down further.

HD Gen 2: (their top of the line models, which means pricier but nicer)

3-18x
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/razor-hd-gen-2-3-18x50-riflescope-with-ebr-2c-moa-reticle

PST:
2.5-10x
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-2-5-10x32-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle

4-16x
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-ffp-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle

The reticle choice is yours between MOA or MIL. I personally prefer MILs, some people prefer MOA. Side note Vortex does use true MOA not the IPHY (Inch Per Hundred Yards) that some makers use.


Of course, there are lots of other scope makers and each have their pros and cons. So in the end you are going to have to snag Duane or the wee Rangers, HH6 or by yourself, and venture forth into the scary world of Cabela's gun counter and their optics stand or Gander Mountain or whatever you have around you and proceed to check out scopes or other optical choices until you find the one that says "duh, pick me."


Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: KensAuto on December 08, 2015, 03:19:11 PM
Very nice Don.



Nope, it's official, we do NOT have the same wife. I got a gun cleaning kit, and you got an entire Gun!!!! haha
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: halsey on December 08, 2015, 03:23:48 PM


Congrats on a nice gift!

I've got a NF NXS 3.5-15 that is great. Might be a good fit for the Sig.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 08, 2015, 03:28:18 PM


Congrats on a nice gift!

I've got a NF NXS 3.5-15 that is great. Might be a good fit for the Sig.

I want one. They cost more money that I wish to part with.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2015, 04:03:10 PM


Congrats on a nice gift!

I've got a NF NXS 3.5-15 that is great. Might be a good fit for the Sig.
For sale?
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: halsey on December 08, 2015, 04:09:32 PM

not for sale.. just a recommendation

apologies for being unclear
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: stlaser on December 08, 2015, 04:58:17 PM
Sweet gift!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Sammconn on December 08, 2015, 05:37:06 PM
Nice!

Now get those pins loosened up a bit!
And a preliminary range report.

After a few (hundred) rounds you may have a better idea of what you want for an optic.

I did get a muzzleloader once from HH6 but not a Sig.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 08, 2015, 07:05:08 PM
Drooling and loving the pictures!  One with sights lined up I expected red dog, not sled dog!

You can now, doubly call Mrs. K, your SIG nificant other!  ;)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: KensAuto on December 08, 2015, 08:41:22 PM
I'm just Sauer because I didn't get one. :)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 08, 2015, 08:59:29 PM
I'm just Sauer because I didn't get one. :)

LOL!  My S.A. brother from the desert!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 08, 2015, 10:16:18 PM
Drooling and loving the pictures!  One with sights lined up I expected red dog, not sled dog!

You can now, doubly call Mrs. K, your SIG nificant other!  ;)
^^^Classic Mikey right there SIG nificant other eeh!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Atkinsmatt on December 08, 2015, 10:52:42 PM
Enjoy. Looking forward to the initial report.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: CHEVSILVER1500 on December 09, 2015, 01:21:16 AM
Congrats on the new addition... Buddy of mine has that same SIG. Topped with a zeiss conquest don't remember the power off hand... Sweet shooting weapon for sure. You will not be disappointed at all.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 09, 2015, 09:09:24 AM
Sweet Don!  She's a keeper. I'd go NXS with a reflex sight on a 45 degree buddy mount for quick shots up close


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Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 09, 2015, 09:59:29 AM
I'm not learned in modern scopes. Been all up in ACOG's and things like that for some time...no magnification.
My shooting of the tactical nature has been mostly from a moving platform at maybe 150 meters and I would just walk the bullets into my target.
But before all that fun, I used to spend some quality time behind my trusty and ancient Tasco 4 X 12 on my NM barreled M1A.
With this Sig having a shorter barrel and being lighter, I could see it as my everyday long gun. That suggests the same old up close and personal shooting I have been doing, but being a .308 and tagging along with a host of boneheads (You guys) who are shooting stretched .22LR, I would be the guy with the reach out potential.
So that means to me something of around 4X-10X for shooting out to say 600 meters, but mostly, say 250. Now being a carry weapon that might find time in the gun rack on Sarge, I don't need it to look like the back to the future car.
And a couple of sights like the offset thing bulks the gun up. I'd like one optic on the top and an attachment for a roast beef sandwich on the side of the rails where I can get to it quickly for those shots where the stomach is talking at cha... Maybe a cup holder on the other side for the quoffee.

Make sense? :o
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: KensAuto on December 09, 2015, 11:09:36 AM
Cupholder. Check. You need a Lincoln Denali Eddy Bauer Edition....I post up a link.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Atkinsmatt on December 09, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
This is the scope I run in a QD mount on my AR.

https://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/vx-r-patrol/vx-r-patrol-1-25-4x20mm-30mm/
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 09, 2015, 12:23:33 PM
I'm not learned in modern scopes. Been all up in ACOG's and things like that for some time...no magnification.
My shooting of the tactical nature has been mostly from a moving platform at maybe 150 meters and I would just walk the bullets into my target.
But before all that fun, I used to spend some quality time behind my trusty and ancient Tasco 4 X 12 on my NM barreled M1A.
With this Sig having a shorter barrel and being lighter, I could see it as my everyday long gun. That suggests the same old up close and personal shooting I have been doing, but being a .308 and tagging along with a host of boneheads (You guys) who are shooting stretched .22LR, I would be the guy with the reach out potential.
So that means to me something of around 4X-10X for shooting out to say 600 meters, but mostly, say 250. Now being a carry weapon that might find time in the gun rack on Sarge, I don't need it to look like the back to the future car.
And a couple of sights like the offset thing bulks the gun up. I'd like one optic on the top and an attachment for a roast beef sandwich on the side of the rails where I can get to it quickly for those shots where the stomach is talking at cha... Maybe a cup holder on the other side for the quoffee.

Make sense? :o

So drop a 4-16x in a QD mount, that way you can always take it off and throw the flipup sights into operation and you should be covered. As for the options to carry your roast beef and quoffee, well those go in your assault pack.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 09, 2015, 03:19:26 PM
With that weapon, you only need a dry box full of matches...........find a field full of steers and drop your roastbeef right there!  Much more mobile, and with this group of stretched out pea shooters, not much will be left.  One of us boneheads will be your coffee holder, so just put a quality optic on top, soft tipped bullets in the mag and some salt in your pocket to either sprinkle over the roast or rub in our "wounds".......jesh......overthinking, over tricked out Ofsir types!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 09, 2015, 06:17:57 PM
I'm not learned in modern scopes. Been all up in ACOG's and things like that for some time...no magnification.
My shooting of the tactical nature has been mostly from a moving platform at maybe 150 meters and I would just walk the bullets into my target.
But before all that fun, I used to spend some quality time behind my trusty and ancient Tasco 4 X 12 on my NM barreled M1A.
With this Sig having a shorter barrel and being lighter, I could see it as my everyday long gun. That suggests the same old up close and personal shooting I have been doing, but being a .308 and tagging along with a host of boneheads (You guys) who are shooting stretched .22LR, I would be the guy with the reach out potential.
So that means to me something of around 4X-10X for shooting out to say 600 meters, but mostly, say 250. Now being a carry weapon that might find time in the gun rack on Sarge, I don't need it to look like the back to the future car.
And a couple of sights like the offset thing bulks the gun up. I'd like one optic on the top and an attachment for a roast beef sandwich on the side of the rails where I can get to it quickly for those shots where the stomach is talking at cha... Maybe a cup holder on the other side for the quoffee.

Make sense? :o

So drop a 4-16x in a QD mount, that way you can always take it off and throw the flipup sights into operation and you should be covered. As for the options to carry your roast beef and quoffee, well those go in your assault pack.
Didn't carry no stinkin back pack!
My ruck sack had rotor blades on it
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Dawg25385 on December 09, 2015, 06:39:16 PM
Why not stick with an acog? Not enough magnification?


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Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: rasimmo on December 09, 2015, 07:22:00 PM
With that weapon, you only need a dry box full of matches...........find a field full of steers and drop your roastbeef right there!  Much more mobile, and with this group of stretched out pea shooters, not much will be left.  One of us boneheads will be your coffee holder, so just put a quality optic on top, soft tipped bullets in the mag and some salt in your pocket to either sprinkle over the roast or rub in our "wounds".......jesh......overthinking, over tricked out Ofsir types!

I got a few Stanleys for just such an occasion so that part is covered. We can keep the predators off with the pea shooters while Nate does the cookin. Sounds like a great plan.

Oh, nice gun too.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 09, 2015, 11:44:36 PM
I've run something similar in a run and gun before and it really is easy and give you best of both worlds.  Little chicken wing to rotate in close quarters and you are making hits up close through the dot.

(http://www.laruetactical.com/sites/default/files/img_2905.jpg)


(http://www.gggaz.com/uploaded_images/B-COMP%20Ring/B-CompColl.jpg)

(http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx282/jaston87/Guns/RRAXTRFFDDmount.jpg)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: stlaser on December 10, 2015, 12:06:49 AM
Slap an acog on it & fogetabotit (like those New Jersey punks say).....
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 10, 2015, 02:22:50 AM
Didn't carry no stinkin back pack!
My ruck sack had rotor blades on it

But you don't have the rotor blades anymore.  ;D
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: sideways on December 10, 2015, 09:39:41 AM
I have one of http://www.rapidreticle.com/evo57.php (http://www.rapidreticle.com/evo57.php) on one of my Ar's I really like it. it would be a good fit if you shoot nato rounds.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: sideways on December 10, 2015, 09:48:33 AM
Here is a video of one of their other high end glass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-wdSWI9zaQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-wdSWI9zaQ)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 10, 2015, 09:55:27 AM
I have one of http://www.rapidreticle.com/evo57.php (http://www.rapidreticle.com/evo57.php) on one of my Ar's I really like it. it would be a good fit if you shoot nato rounds.

Not bad..
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2015, 12:36:35 PM
Didn't carry no stinkin back pack!
My ruck sack had rotor blades on it

But you don't have the rotor blades anymore.  ;D
Wanna bet????

I don't tell all my Airborne friend...
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 10, 2015, 08:11:57 PM
I like that pride Fowler rapid reticle 3 X 12.

I like the built in holdover for my favorite load, the NM 168 gr. HPBT
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2015, 08:00:01 PM
Sideways, you'll be pleased to know I purchased the Pride Fowler Rapid Reticle 7.62 revolution scope.

I called out there and talked to Rich, who is our newest member as of this afternoon. He is one of the guys who actually developed this particular scope's reticle.

This particular scope which he sells to LEO's and Military guys at a very deep discount is a civilian version of the shorter military tactical scope.

This scope is optimized for a 7.62 shooting the 168 or 175 gr. boat tail rounds and provides both ranging capabilities and holdovers as well as left and right wind correction for 10mph and less of a cross wind. It is optimized for a 20" barrel.

The military version which retails for over two grand is optimized for a military 16" barrel. Either scope works exactly the same from 0 to 600 meters. After that the civie scope I am using will start to deviate with holdover so that to shoot a 900 meter target, I would use the 1000 yard aiming point and intemperate from 600 to 900. OK, I can learn to do that...that is if I ever made a shot that long. But this is Kentucky so a 250 yard shot is about normal with occasional 400 to 500 meter shots.

So' here's my plan. I'll mount this on the Sig and work with it, get to know it. Some day, I'll purchase the military scope and hang this evolution scope on the NM M1A. That 22" barrel on that gun would better match the reticle calibration in this scope.

With cost being a factor, I think this is the smart move here.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 16, 2015, 02:47:47 AM
Nice choice. I bookmarked that website and was looking at it again last night.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 16, 2015, 09:30:12 AM
Nice choice. I bookmarked that website and was looking at it again last night.
Well, I'll get it in the ballpark, then let a couple pros like you and Keith, (our Marine) put it through its paces. The final solution will be the spendy PF scope on the Sig and this scope on the Springfield.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: sideways on December 16, 2015, 09:34:04 AM
Don, I think you will like it. There is a bit of a learning curve to the hold overs and ranging.

I don't think there is a faster way to engage targets at different ranges.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 16, 2015, 09:44:36 AM
Don, I think you will like it. There is a bit of a learning curve to the hold overs and ranging.

I don't think there is a faster way to engage targets at different ranges.
After talking to Rich on the ranging then shoot, how simple could it get

For those who don't know

This specialized PF reticle has 100 meter holdover lines. on each line is a bracket that is 9" at that range...the approximate size of a human head. So you look at your target and move the gun until the head fits one of the brackets.
Well that is the range
You are already on the correct holdover
No wind, snap the trigger
if you have a crosswind (Always) and its from the right we'll say and you're guessing its 5MPH then simply slide right 1/2 the distance of the right wind line
Each wind line is exactly calibrated for a 10mph wind.
You see with this reticle, while you are ranging, you are also aiming. once you get the range just adjust for wind and make the shot

Amazingly simple

And this reticle was designed for my SOCOM buds and is in their hands (I would guess)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 16, 2015, 10:44:38 AM
Well, I'll get it in the ballpark, then let a couple pros like you and Keith, (our Marine) put it through its paces. The final solution will be the spendy PF scope on the Sig and this scope on the Springfield.

I have a feeling that Keith will work it over before I travel down yonder.

I had a question, but I'll just PM the owner.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Sammconn on December 16, 2015, 04:13:28 PM
Don, not sure you're going to like it.
I'll take it off your hands for you. lol..

Should be the cats meow for ya, I'd say.

Also, you don't need the elevation and windage marks, you live in the land of 'Kentucky Windage'  :)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 16, 2015, 09:11:40 PM
Don, I think you will like it. There is a bit of a learning curve to the hold overs and ranging.

I don't think there is a faster way to engage targets at different ranges.
After talking to Rich on the ranging then shoot, how simple could it get

For those who don't know

This specialized PF reticle has 100 meter holdover lines. on each line is a bracket that is 9" at that range...the approximate size of a human head. So you look at your target and move the gun until the head fits one of the brackets.
Well that is the range
You are already on the correct holdover
No wind, snap the trigger
if you have a crosswind (Always) and its from the right we'll say and you're guessing its 5MPH then simply slide right 1/2 the distance of the right wind line
Each wind line is exactly calibrated for a 10mph wind.
You see with this reticle, while you are ranging, you are also aiming. once you get the range just adjust for wind and make the shot

Amazingly simple

And this reticle was designed for my SOCOM buds and is in their hands (I would guess)

With that explanation, even an Art teacher could use it!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: JR on December 16, 2015, 09:36:59 PM
Very nice Don, bot the pop gun and the scope.

I was going to suggest the Vortex PST like I got, but that is a great looking scope.

You know, I have an entire pad of Ben Bun Laden targets. Does that mean I'm profiling?  8)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 17, 2015, 02:37:58 AM
I was going to suggest the Vortex PST like I got,

Tell me more.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2015, 10:18:23 AM
Don, not sure you're going to like it.
I'll take it off your hands for you. lol..

Should be the cats meow for ya, I'd say.

Also, you don't need the elevation and windage marks, you live in the land of 'Kentucky Windage'  :)
Well, since my farm in on a ridge, I actually live in the land of Kentucky "Wind"
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: JR on December 17, 2015, 12:35:52 PM
I was going to suggest the Vortex PST like I got,

Tell me more.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle

I got the 4-16 50mm

Was about $600 at cabelas, 800 retail but I have seen on sale for 400.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 17, 2015, 12:49:40 PM


http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle

I got the 4-16 50mm

Was about $600 at cabelas, 800 retail but I have seen on sale for 400.

Psh, that's cheaper than I've seen. $899 retail up here. Have you used it yet? Or is that going on the new project rifle?
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2015, 12:59:15 PM
Very nice Don, bot the pop gun and the scope.

I was going to suggest the Vortex PST like I got, but that is a great looking scope.

You know, I have an entire pad of Ben Bun Laden targets. Does that mean I'm profiling?  8)
I think so!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: JR on December 17, 2015, 02:27:10 PM
Yes for the new project gun.

Have everything now but the gas tube, handguard and compensator.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on December 17, 2015, 04:30:31 PM
Yes for the new project gun.

Have everything now but the gas tube, handguard and compensator.

Well hurry up! Inquiring minds are waiting for your opinion...  :o
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2016, 09:41:21 PM
I finally got to put some rounds through it for the first time today.

Warmed it up with 40 odd rounds and the iron sights. Right out of the box it seems to hit what I line up on. Was shooting at a target about the size of a dinner plate at around 150 yards and was hitting it, firing from a bench.

Up close I was smashing cinder blocks and flat Kentucky limestone rocks. It functions so smoothly and the added weight helps control the recoil to nearly that of a M4 firing military 70 gr stuff.

So far I love this gun, and I switched to 25 round Mag-Pul magazines for the testing (playing around) of my sweet Sig M716
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: JR on January 04, 2016, 01:56:39 AM
That 308 will run a tad more to shoot. Anything under .50 a round and your are lucky.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on January 04, 2016, 08:22:01 AM
That 308 will run a tad more to shoot. Anything under .50 a round and your are lucky.
I noticed!

Instead of buying 1000 rounds at a time I have been buying in lots of 300 or 500!
But I shoot less, savoring each and every shot. It's like it's just "More"
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on January 04, 2016, 09:10:08 AM
savoring each and every shot

That's called relaxing and enjoying yourself.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: stlaser on January 04, 2016, 12:12:54 PM
X2 308 ar's are muy fun......
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: JR on January 04, 2016, 01:28:09 PM
savoring each and every shot

That's called relaxing and enjoying yourself.

Yep, you have 3x the bullet and I bet that shoots smooth!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: moto123 on January 08, 2016, 02:15:04 PM
Well just had a bit of a strange lunch our.  I walk into our local pawn shop looking for .22 ammo since all of the major chain stores are out.  Must be a local shortage or something strange.  Of course they are also out of .22.  But up on the wall I notice something strangely similar to the beginning of this thread.  Sure enough as I look it over closer, Sig Sauer 716, 16", 7.62.  It has a couple tiny scratches from being handled but appeared to never have been fired.  So I start asking questions.  The pawn store has lots of guns but mostly used.  They are an FFL dealer but don't sell many new guns because the profit margin is slim compared to the bigger stores around here.  Apparently someone either special ordered or purchased this 716 online and had it sent to this FFL dealer for pickup.  In between, he ran out of money and couldn't complete the transaction.  So the pawn shop ended up with it.  They have had it for several months, but since they are basically located in an "inexpensive" part of town, no one around here has the cash to take it home.  The gun is brand new, except for being handled and on the shelf for a while.  They had the original box, original paperwork and one magazine that go with it.  He assured me, the original warranty would still apply, though I forgot to ask exactly how long it is for.  So I was sort of half serious and threw out a really low ball offer for the heck of it.  After some haggling, I paid $1900 plus tax and I pick it up tomorrow.  Good deal or no?

A couple questions for the experts, this one did not come with a sling - was that optional from the factory or did someone lose it along the way? I can have them look around a little closer if it was supposed to come with one.  I just wanted to know for sure before I ask about it.

Also the adjustable stock is a slightly different design than the pictures of Don's.  The release is under it instead of in the middle.  Again is that an optional component, or is mine possibly a couple years old?
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on January 08, 2016, 04:42:09 PM
Sling comes with the gun, and it's a real quality piece. I'd find it

Price sounds pretty good. Kat spent just over 2K for mine.

Only one stock, so I wonder if someone swapped it out for some Mag-Pul piece or something.

You will just love how smooth that gun is. You won't want to go back to the small stuff...I know I don't! I love mine. It's THE perfect gun!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: sideways on January 09, 2016, 11:07:51 AM
Did you get your scope?
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2016, 11:50:22 AM
Did you get your scope?

Yes, but not mounted
With the supplied low rings you cannot fit it with the rear sight installed.
I wanted a QD mount anyway, so I thought I'd explore options for a medium height QD.
I'm wondering if I will be able to run iron sights at all, and in the case of the ones on this Sig, I really like them. I was able to bust up some old dinner plates at 100 to around 130-140 yards with just those sights.
The gun is completely useful at those ranges as delivered.
But I'll get that scope on.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Dawg25385 on January 09, 2016, 12:05:29 PM
Take a look at the LaRue qd's


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Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2016, 12:07:06 PM
Take a look at the LaRue qd's


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OK, I will!
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: moto123 on January 09, 2016, 02:30:54 PM
Pictures or it didn't happen, right?

(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/moto123233/Mobile%20Uploads/20160109_132044.jpg) (http://s596.photobucket.com/user/moto123233/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160109_132044.jpg.html)

The stock is different from yours, but works just the same.

(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/moto123233/Mobile%20Uploads/20160109_132103.jpg) (http://s596.photobucket.com/user/moto123233/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160109_132103.jpg.html)

Date of manufacture was Jan 2014.  So it has been in the box for 2 years.  They must have changed the stock last year.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on January 09, 2016, 02:51:33 PM
Interesting!

That hole in the back of the stock as well as the one in the receiver and the front of the forward rail is meant for the sling. It plugs in anywhere in those holes
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: moto123 on January 09, 2016, 03:11:55 PM
I modified the rail protectors so the sling can actually mount.

(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/moto123233/Mobile%20Uploads/20160109_140703_1.jpg) (http://s596.photobucket.com/user/moto123233/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160109_140703_1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: moto123 on January 09, 2016, 03:25:30 PM
The stock has two removable plugs.  Inside it is open with a spring.  The diameter is larger than a 308 shell.  Any idea what is intended to be stored there?  I could fit one shell in each side and almost but not quite two shells.  So that is obviously not the intent.

(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/moto123233/Mobile%20Uploads/20160109_141735.jpg) (http://s596.photobucket.com/user/moto123233/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160109_141735.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Dawg25385 on January 09, 2016, 03:44:22 PM
Batteries, parts kit, lube, etc


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Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 10, 2016, 07:41:49 AM
I store a miniaturized copy of both BATF stamps (SBR and suppressor) in mine so that they are always with the weapon.


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Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: moto123 on January 10, 2016, 11:07:43 AM
That's really clever.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Atkinsmatt on January 11, 2016, 12:37:30 PM
I use a Burris PEPR QD mount for the Leopold on my AR. Check that one as well.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on January 11, 2016, 01:18:52 PM

I wanted a QD mount anyway, so I thought I'd explore options for a medium height QD.


https://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/browse/category/mounts/opticmounts/scopemounts/ar10-.-scar-scope-mounts/
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on January 11, 2016, 08:54:56 PM

I wanted a QD mount anyway, so I thought I'd explore options for a medium height QD.


https://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/browse/category/mounts/opticmounts/scopemounts/ar10-.-scar-scope-mounts/
Those are nice looking
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on January 11, 2016, 10:24:36 PM
I'm wondering if I will be able to run iron sights at all, and in the case of the ones on this Sig


For your learning:

https://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/article/read/264/
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: moto123 on January 12, 2016, 01:49:35 PM
Well it took 9 tries over 2 days, but I was finally able to be put into the Sig Sauer customer support phone waiting line with only 1 person ahead of me.  All the other times ranged from 6 people to apparently too many to list because a number wasn't given.  Their website even admits that this is a common issue, so they must not have many people answering phones.  The good news however, is that once connected to a real human, he was really easy to deal with.  Once he verified my purchase, he said it was no problem and will send me a sling.  So I am pretty excited about that.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: moto123 on January 20, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
Received the sling from Sig last night.   You were right, it was worth the effort to get it.  The quick release connectors work really well.  Now I just need to figure out how to use it.  Setting it up as a 3 point sling using the rear stock mount and the rear forend mount was fairly straightforward and works really well.  But I bet it has other options available since there are other mounting points.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Sammconn on January 20, 2016, 10:16:58 AM
I've seen/used the quick connects once. I fell in love with them.
Short of throwing money away for the sake of ease of use, I'm trying not to buy them.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2016, 10:47:37 AM
I love mine. Starting to feel natural, walking around with a carbine banging around on my side...
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on March 03, 2016, 02:28:10 PM
So did you ever end up mounting that scope to the 716?

If yes how'd it work for you?

If no, well then disregard.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2016, 03:52:32 PM
So did you ever end up mounting that scope to the 716?

If yes how'd it work for you?

If no, well then disregard.
Mounted it: Yes

Then took it off awaiting a better mount.

I'm not comfortable running a gun without iron sights

We have all sorts of gun shows coming up, I thought I'd visit one to find the right mount that fits that weapon
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on March 03, 2016, 04:10:58 PM

Mounted it: Yes

Then took it off awaiting a better mount.

I'm not comfortable running a gun without iron sights

We have all sorts of gun shows coming up, I thought I'd visit one to find the right mount that fits that weapon

Couldn't find a LT or ADM mount you liked?

Here's another maker of some quality mounts, at least the various forums and etc I wander say so.
http://www.bobroengineering.com/browse/category/scope-mounts/
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: JR on March 03, 2016, 10:41:07 PM
I am up in the air about a QR on screw mount. I like the QR but will it hold 0 if removed? You get to use BUS then too.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 03, 2016, 11:27:46 PM
perfect 0 with a QD is an impossibiity.  The question is what is your acceptable margin of error.

Inside of 1000 yards, proabably not a huge factor. 1000th of an inch equals inches at 1000.  Can you live with a 4 inch variance at 1000?  Probably
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on March 04, 2016, 03:19:32 AM
perfect 0 with a QD is an impossibiity.  The question is what is your acceptable margin of error.

Inside of 1000 yards, proabably not a huge factor. 1000th of an inch equals inches at 1000.  Can you live with a 4 inch variance at 1000?  Probably

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on March 04, 2016, 08:33:26 AM
I'm def comfortable with a QD optic as long as I always have BUS.

My M1A with the ART-2 removable scope mount has never failed me after removing and reattaching shooting at softball sized things out to 300-350, my normal "Long Range" Shooting 800 a few times I was hitting Clorox gallon jugs, so it is definitely "Zeroed enough" for me
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on March 04, 2016, 09:23:01 AM
Here's my stance on the QD vs. Fixed mounts.

If you mark the spot where the QD goes, and return it to the EXACT spot, and torque it down to the same standards as before then you shouldn't have a super critical shift in shot placement. Could you have a slight shift, well yes. Is it going to be a huge 20 MOA shift.... no.

Like TRN said it'll be some absurdly small difference.

Fixed is fixed... what else can I say?
Title: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: husker77c on March 04, 2016, 02:00:08 PM
I guess I always thought the purpose of the QD would be to get it off quickly in the event you broke your optic and were in a bad situation and needed to keep shooting. In that scenario I could care less about return to zero.  I don't see myself spending more than I did for the gun to put an optic on it and then taking it off to shoot with the irons, unless Someone was shooting back at me and the glass was shattered or something. But I have no formal training so maybe I'm missing something?


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Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: cj7ox on March 04, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
I guess I always thought the purpose of the QD would be to get it off quickly in the event you broke your optic and were in a bad situation and needed to keep shooting. In that scenario I could care less about return to zero.  I don't see myself spending more than I did for the gun to put an optic on it and then taking it off to shoot with the irons, unless Someone was shooting back at me and the glass was shattered or something. But I have no formal training so maybe I'm missing something?


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That's pretty much right on for most folks. The only time you would use it regularly is if you had multiple optics systems for that single weapon system. For instance, separate day and night specific optics. Some weapons storage racks do not accept certain optics, either. For instance, the M16 racks in my arms vault would not work with the CCO or ACOG mounted in the most common positions on an M4. So, to store the weapons, they had to be removed. My Soldiers all marked their optics positions with a white paint pen line from the optic mount to the receiver, so they could quickly line them up with their zeroed position. The thumbscrews on the mount also had a paint pen line on the screw and mount that lined up when tightened appropriately, to ensure that the conditions from zero were repeated. We had no issues with loss of zero doing this, but were only shooting out to 300m generally.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: Flyin6 on March 04, 2016, 04:13:56 PM
I guess I always thought the purpose of the QD would be to get it off quickly in the event you broke your optic and were in a bad situation and needed to keep shooting. In that scenario I could care less about return to zero.  I don't see myself spending more than I did for the gun to put an optic on it and then taking it off to shoot with the irons, unless Someone was shooting back at me and the glass was shattered or something. But I have no formal training so maybe I'm missing something?




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On one of our flights up near the Syrian border, one aircraft took fire...FROM THE SYRIANS! The bullets struck a rotor blade, the fuselage and one of the gunners personal M4. His M4 was destroyed by the single AK round tearing it up. Had that been just the ACOG, then the weapon could have still been used accurately with BUIS.

On another engagement the gunner was hit in the chest armor, and the power chord going to his mini gun was nearly severed rendering the gun useless. My point is in a fight, the darnedest things seem to happen. So losing an optic is well within the realm of possible, I believe
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: husker77c on March 04, 2016, 04:28:15 PM

I guess I always thought the purpose of the QD would be to get it off quickly in the event you broke your optic and were in a bad situation and needed to keep shooting. In that scenario I could care less about return to zero.  I don't see myself spending more than I did for the gun to put an optic on it and then taking it off to shoot with the irons, unless Someone was shooting back at me and the glass was shattered or something. But I have no formal training so maybe I'm missing something?




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On one of our flights up near the Syrian border, one aircraft took fire...FROM THE SYRIANS! The bullets struck a rotor blade, the fuselage and one of the gunners personal M4. His M4 was destroyed by the single AK round tearing it up. Had that been just the ACOG, then the weapon could have still been used accurately with BUIS.

On another engagement the gunner was hit in the chest armor, and the power chord going to his mini gun was nearly severed rendering the gun useless. My point is in a fight, the darnedest things seem to happen. So losing an optic is well within the realm of possible, I believe

Oh I'm sure there's lots of ways to destroy an optic in those scenarios.  Or leaning it up against something and it slides off and hits just right Murphy's law and all that.

Although there is that video of Larry Vickers tossing a rifle with an Aimpoint out of a helicopter and it comes out unscathed. 


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Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on March 04, 2016, 06:11:22 PM
In the realm of normal civilian usage a fixed or QD would work out. It's a personal opinion type thing in my eyes. If you choose fixed, you have the option for the off set sights. While there are some fixed mounts that can be taken off in 10 seconds or so, never seen or messed with them so no personal experience.

I've used QD when I was in the Army, never had a problem with the zero being off. But then again, I marked where they went and re-torqued to the previously used standards.
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: JR on March 05, 2016, 03:16:53 PM
I understand you don't get zero with QD, opinions is what I wanted and got.

This is slowing me down some;
Title: Re: Mother of all cool guns!
Post by: BobbyB on March 05, 2016, 10:12:52 PM
This is slowing me down some;

I don't think there are QD options for one of those.
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