Author Topic: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4 (Read 174032 times)

Dawg25385 · « **Reply #150 on:** February 29, 2016, 08:17:18 PM »

You'd think if that were the problem it'd have issues going straight too, not just turning...

Definitely need to get this nailed down and fixed before booking up that 35 footer on the back...

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Flyin6 · « **Reply #151 on:** February 29, 2016, 08:20:41 PM »

Quote from: Dawg25385 on February 29, 2016, 08:17:18 PM

You'd think if that were the problem it'd have issues going straight too, not just turning...

Definitely need to get this nailed down and fixed before booking up that 35 footer on the back...

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I'll give ya a big A-Men on that note!

KensAuto · « **Reply #152 on:** February 29, 2016, 09:07:38 PM »

Seriously Don, it sounds like the steering wheel position sensor went awol. Someone needs to scan the abs/traction systems for codes before you get hurt.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #153 on:** February 29, 2016, 09:18:04 PM »

Quote from: KensAuto on February 29, 2016, 09:07:38 PM

Seriously Don, it sounds like the steering wheel position sensor went awol. Someone needs to scan the abs/traction systems for codes before you get hurt.

OK, Ken wilco

Can you think of anyway that would have happened while doing a tire rotation?

KensAuto · « **Reply #154 on:** February 29, 2016, 09:30:12 PM »

Negative.

Front wheel sensors make more sense, but symptoms point to steering sensor. Regardless, a scanner should make short work of narrowing it down.

Dawg25385 · « **Reply #155 on:** February 29, 2016, 09:41:04 PM »

Me thinks Big D is going to be even more determined to get Square Dodge runnin if ole C-max wants to take a swan dive due to a dinky sensor somewhere...

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KensAuto · « **Reply #156 on:** February 29, 2016, 09:51:51 PM »

That's exactly what I thought!!

stlaser · « **Reply #157 on:** February 29, 2016, 10:53:05 PM »

C Max has some Achilles heals.....

JR · « **Reply #158 on:** February 29, 2016, 11:55:55 PM »

Just jealous,,,,,,,,,,,,,

moto123 · « **Reply #159 on:** March 01, 2016, 01:59:48 PM »

Did you have a chance to test it without the traction control system working? I would hold the traction control button down for I think like 10 seconds until it turns all systems off, then try to produce he same results when turning.

EL TATE · « **Reply #160 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:49:33 PM »

what he said, disable the trac control and see if you get same results.

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #161 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:56:05 PM »

Maybe you need to rotate the winter air out of those tires. Try the spring air and see if it helps

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Flyin6 · « **Reply #162 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:27:42 PM »

Quote from: Bigdave_185 on March 01, 2016, 04:56:05 PM

Maybe you need to rotate the winter air out of those tires. Try the spring air and see if it helps

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Dave...I had winter nitrogen in there...Tire store still on #2 winter nitrogen...Spring nitrogen only sold in, well, the spring...WHAT SHOULD I DO????????????

Flyin6 · « **Reply #163 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:41:12 PM »

So my plan was to get all the candidate tires on property so I could do a good tire for tire comparison and make the decision which one to go with.

Here is the stack that started to show up

Flyin6 · « **Reply #164 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:46:06 PM »

Thinking about what I am doing with the truck, I was starting to lean toward getting a good all terrain tire. Now, from my experience with the Kentucky phylum of mud species one thing you need is pretty deep tread to bite down through the mud to try to grab something more solid. So tread depth is important to me.

The two All-Terrain tires I chose as finalists were the ever popular BFG All terrain KO2's and the Toyo open country all terrain AT'2 extreme.

Here they are shown next to the tire I am now using the Toyo MT's which have never failed me

Flyin6 · « **Reply #165 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:47:33 PM »

Speaking of tread depth, the BFG's do not even have 1/2" of tread depth.

The Toyo AT's have more

But the MT's swallow up the whole finger tip and are far deeper than the highway tires

Flyin6 · « **Reply #166 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:52:10 PM »

In my mind it came down to one of the two Toyo offerings.

In the end, Wes, the store manager sealed the deal. He said he had been stuck in his yard with the BFG AT's and he really liked the Toyo AT's, but hands down the MT's were the right tire for my truck in his opinion.

So MT's it is. I have an appointment tomorrow morning at 0830 to get two new ones mounted up

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #167 on:** March 01, 2016, 11:30:12 PM »

What store are you shopping at?

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stlaser · « **Reply #168 on:** March 01, 2016, 11:38:05 PM »

My guess is discount tire, that's what he normally references in his posts

BobbyB · « **Reply #169 on:** March 02, 2016, 03:15:29 AM »

HH6 didn't say anything about you turning the garage into a mini tire store for the afternoon?

cudakidd53 · « **Reply #170 on:** March 02, 2016, 07:03:27 AM »

He was at the tire store, or he's got racks of tires and a garage space he's never posted before....and no critters around or chewed on tool handles.....

Flyin6 · « **Reply #171 on:** March 02, 2016, 07:32:56 AM »

Quote from: Bigdave_185 on March 01, 2016, 11:30:12 PM

What store are you shopping at?

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Tire discounters, which I believe is local to northern KY/Southwestern OH

KensAuto · « **Reply #172 on:** March 02, 2016, 09:38:34 AM »

Thanks for posting those quality pics cappin'.
I'm in the middle of making the same decision...Toyo M/T vs A/t2s, but also vs Nitto Trails. I'm finally over the whole Mud Grappler thang. I think I've actually lost some of my hearing to them.

Tommy13 · « **Reply #173 on:** March 02, 2016, 10:38:54 AM »

Ken, give the R/Ts a look as well if you haven't already. Mine have performed flawlessly this winter on the highway and in some light off-road and muddy field work. The fit right between the A/T 2s and M/Ts.

https://www.toyotires.com/tire/pattern/open-country-rt-on-off-road-rugged-terrain-tires

Flyin6 · « **Reply #174 on:** March 02, 2016, 11:36:40 AM »

We had success this morning. Gobbled down a sausage egg mc-muffin, drank some quoffee and swapped up some tires.

Getting started, Mark was "Dual Jackin' it!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #175 on:** March 02, 2016, 11:37:51 AM »

Those machines are pretty gentle on the tire and wheel

Flyin6 · « **Reply #176 on:** March 02, 2016, 11:39:29 AM »

The suspension components all look great. There really isn't many miles on the truck, still only 55,000 but it has been off road many times now

Flyin6 · « **Reply #177 on:** March 02, 2016, 11:43:26 AM »

If anyone ever wondered what those balance beads look inside the tire, here ya go:

You will notice the bag remains somewhat intact in there but definitely mostly disintegrates.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #178 on:** March 02, 2016, 11:45:36 AM »

Mark spun them up to check balance first adding lead weights, then removing them, breaking down the bead and adding the poly beads. After driving it, it is glass smooth now. We actually found one wheel not to have any beads inside and no weights on the outside. I suppose that explains the vibration I had the last year!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #179 on:** March 02, 2016, 11:47:56 AM »

The first big surprise happened on the alignment rack. The alignment was perfect! It hadn't moved at all, despite all that driving off road and hitting pot holes and all sorts of things.

Next during the test drive the truck was completely normal. It rode like it did before, although smoother due to the new rubber and balancing. I'm all healed it seems!

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #180 on:** March 02, 2016, 12:21:13 PM »

How many miles did you get out of the old toyo?

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moto123 · « **Reply #181 on:** March 02, 2016, 01:14:32 PM »

I am glad it is fixed for you. But it still doesn't make any sense. Changing tires shouldn't have any affect on the electrical systems.
There wasn't anything wrong with any electrical system.

Bear9350 · « **Reply #182 on:** March 02, 2016, 01:38:26 PM »

Quote from: moto123 on March 02, 2016, 01:14:32 PM

I am glad it is fixed for you. But it still doesn't make any sense. Changing tires shouldn't have any affect on the electrical systems.

It is possible that there was a broken belt or something wrong with one of those tires and it wasn't noticed until the tire was rotated from rear to front.

Did anything seem not right on either of the tires you took off?

KensAuto · « **Reply #183 on:** March 02, 2016, 01:50:38 PM »

Quote from: Tommy13 on March 02, 2016, 10:38:54 AM

Ken, give the R/Ts a look as well if you haven't already. Mine have performed flawlessly this winter on the highway and in some light off-road and muddy field work. The fit right between the A/T 2s and M/Ts.

https://www.toyotires.com/tire/pattern/open-country-rt-on-off-road-rugged-terrain-tires

Thanks. Just ordered a tire grooving tool.....goin to modify the mud grapplers...should be cheaper than new ones....if it works out.

EL TATE · « **Reply #184 on:** March 02, 2016, 04:19:41 PM »

I'm betting differing tire heights front to rear were contributing to wheel speed sensors freaking out the trac control. those rears were getting pretty tired. Glad to see you went M/T's; selling those tires for many years, I know the AT's don't hold up as long as they're supposed to, and wear poorly on the outer edges, cupping pretty bad in most cases of lifted IFS applications from camber during suspension flex and droop.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #185 on:** March 02, 2016, 04:50:52 PM »

Quote from: Bigdave_185 on March 02, 2016, 12:21:13 PM

How many miles did you get out of the old toyo?

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I think those got me around 25,000 and were about one forth remaining

Flyin6 · « **Reply #186 on:** March 02, 2016, 04:59:04 PM »

Quote from: moto123 on March 02, 2016, 01:14:32 PM

I am glad it is fixed for you. But it still doesn't make any sense. Changing tires shouldn't have any affect on the electrical systems.
There wasn't anything wrong with any electrical system.

The loss of traction light and system came on because the grossly different traction between the nearly new to nearly worn out tires caused the front end to bite into the turns like never before. You see the rear is where you should put the best tires. The rear is the part of the vehicle where it is most stable, or in a way of thinking, the part that is anchored. With my old tires the rear end was loose. It was slipping and spinning a bit and rotating the newer tires back there stopped all that nonsense. Then the poorer tires placed on the front now caused more erratic steering which was more pronounced since the rear end was now more stable. That caused unnecessary rolling to take place as rates built up quickly. The rate at which the vehicle was rolling exceeded the parameters for the traction control system causing illumination of the light.
New tires fixed it completely, so there really is no other explanation.

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #187 on:** March 02, 2016, 06:34:08 PM »

I am shocked that's all you got out of a set. I am well past 40k on my bfgs

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husker77c · « **Reply #188 on:** March 02, 2016, 07:06:57 PM »

Man I love those rims.

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TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #189 on:** March 02, 2016, 07:57:52 PM »

I find it hard to believe, but it is what it is. One more reason I don't want that garbage on my trucks

Nate · « **Reply #190 on:** March 02, 2016, 08:27:02 PM »

I will never go with BFG AT's on my truck again.

I am running a set of mastercraft at's and am satisfied so far.

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #191 on:** March 02, 2016, 11:53:03 PM »

Quote from: nmeyer414 on March 02, 2016, 08:27:02 PM

I will never go with BFG AT's on my truck again.

I am running a set of mastercraft at's and am satisfied so far.

? Why

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OldKooT · « **Reply #192 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:05:38 AM »

So, you had to buy tires because the truck told you so eh? ;D

I run 3.73 gears in the rear and 3.54's in the front of my daily driver. Worse that ever has come of that is you have to sometimes punt it out of 4x4 with your foot if you forget and leave it locked in while tooling down dry pavement.

It actually works real well spinning the front tires a bit faster than the rear on muddy crowned "roads" around here. I call it "directional stability control"

KensAuto · « **Reply #193 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:44:01 AM »

^^^old mud/sand racing trick^^^

OldKooT · « **Reply #194 on:** March 03, 2016, 09:49:20 AM »

Yep Ken... and it works quite well. It's especially effective when chained up on the rear.

stlaser · « **Reply #195 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:17:51 AM »

Next OldKoot is gunna tell us how he runs bolted tires.......(as in 50 1/2" carriage bolts drilled and nutted protruding from the tread & running inner tubes) ;D

Old SE KY hill billy rock crawling trick, good enough traction it'll stand truck up on rear wheels.....

OldKooT · « **Reply #196 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:24:40 AM »

LoL never bolted any rubber here in Neb. When I lived in Wis I had a set of 38" swampers that had 100's of 1/2 concrete anchors in them. We would run them with a tube and a liner in such tires for ice fishing on the big lakes.

Crossing ice crevices and stuff we also carried ice ladders and stuff for the long fishing expeditions.

stlaser · « **Reply #197 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:55:05 AM »

Same idea, sounds like a good time......

Nate · « **Reply #198 on:** March 03, 2016, 10:58:28 AM »

the BFG AT's are too soft of a tire for the weight of a 2500 or bigger truck

stlaser · « **Reply #199 on:** March 03, 2016, 11:06:05 AM »

I was always a big BFG fan as they sponsored the race team heavy & the old mt's wore & performed as good as any tire I used. However, as of late they have made a lot of IMO stupid moves in regards to their truck tire line & I'm none impressed.

Author Topic: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4 (Read 174032 times)

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