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« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2019, 09:48:09 PM »
dang .. did i do something wrong?

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« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2019, 09:53:40 PM »
Nope, and this build is looking really nice.

I love that Massey- Ferguson gray...like my Lycoming aircraft engine gray.
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« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2019, 10:08:02 PM »
dang swbhobie16, that is some quality work right there!
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« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2019, 10:51:29 PM »
And you’re quick too!!  All that work in a few minutes. lol

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« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2019, 10:53:03 PM »
Dmax swap. Heck yeah. Nice, clean work also!
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« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2019, 11:23:48 PM »
Stupid question, cuz I like asking them... what flavor of self etching primer do you use? It’s something I need but for some reason have never really sought it out.


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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2019, 11:26:01 PM »
Don't use the Summit stuff. Roof on the burb rusted right through that.

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« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2019, 08:29:49 AM »
This is a build I can get behind.  Less of this dodge cumapart junk.  Maybe this one will run


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« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2019, 06:20:53 PM »
not a whole lot done the last day or so. been working on shop maintenance mostly. but i did cobble together an engine dolly to be able to move the drive train around with ease. narrow end will hold the trans cross member and have some lags from the top to keep it from wobbling. wider/taller side should land just under the upper oil pan on a flat spot (where it’s currently resting). may have to notch the wood some to get it to sit correctly. but you get the idea.



also managed to get the fan and shroud off. multiple reasons. wanted to get at the front/lower section of the engine for cleaning and also turn the crank. which it does. thankfully. made 1 full unobstructed revolution with good compressing (no numbers obviously.. just arm tested it. haha)


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« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2019, 08:08:23 PM »
Great idea, made a low cart for mine in another thread.
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Re: 3+3 2500
« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2019, 08:28:42 PM »
seeing an LBZ going into this truck, makes me think of this thread I saw started back in 2012:

https://www.duramaxdiesels.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44381
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« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2019, 09:06:22 PM »
my engine won’t be that clean. but exterior should be close  :beercheers:

i want the engine bay to appear factory with the hood popped. minus that pesky EGR and such. clean turbo intake and engine intake. with a 3” downpipe. much skinnier wiring harness. and no blower box on the fire wall.. hah

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« Reply #62 on: January 18, 2019, 07:19:46 PM »
before



after



before



after



now.. with all the pesky pics out of the way, i’ve run into a pickle. found the VIN. ran car fax, doesn’t have 160k as stated by owner. is showing 232k in 2015.

so:

1: keep it and say to heck with numbers. looks good and may be just fine.

2: see if seller will take it back for purchase price and find another

3: sell it and the trans he let me take for profit and never talk to him again..  :police:

but really.. any and everyone with real life duramax experience, any and all input is appreciated greatly.


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« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2019, 07:26:25 PM »
Call him out on it and see what he says. As much as you have in it , or will have in it, I’d want to freshen it up or find something newer if you can’t get him to take it back


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« Reply #64 on: January 18, 2019, 07:56:23 PM »
Never hurts to talk
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« Reply #65 on: January 18, 2019, 07:58:08 PM »
You have it out this far. As Tex said you can only ask.   

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« Reply #66 on: January 18, 2019, 08:13:45 PM »
I would talk to him for sure. Even 225k is not bad but I would do the tranny while out.

I hear of many of these going 400-500 so with the EGR delete you should be fine.

Mine is 162k right now and runs great.
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« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2019, 07:02:12 AM »
i’ve already brought it to his attention. he still stands by it saying 160k when he pulled it. and if that were the case i’d be ecstatic. but as it stands now, the VIN i have shows 233 in 2015. nothing since. so i really have no idea how many miles are on it. i havent asked about swapping it back out.. but i know he did want it for a project truck at one point. i just wanted to ask opinions before going that route. i wish there was a way to know. i mean.. i guess it couldnt really have been on the road much without inspection or anything since 2015. i know the mileage is only stored in the cluster. which has been long gone. and i’m just trusting him that it does have 160 instead of 223 and that carfax is wrong..


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« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2019, 07:44:09 AM »
Given the last go around with the 12v, I would still pull it down and check it out, replace the HGs and maybe freshen the heads.
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« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2019, 12:24:32 PM »
Was the vin plate on the engine, or the body of the truck it was pulled from? Maybe it was swapped at one point?

Edit: found a post that states the vin would also be in the ECM.


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« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2019, 12:29:39 PM »
My 2 cents, it’s tough to buy a motor used and run it with any expectation of reliability. So you have two options, buy new crate motor and or find a unit to go completely thru. The secondary part of that normally involves another person with machine equipment and my experience on multiple occasions with them is they can bring the suck.
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« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2019, 07:28:25 PM »
last 8 of VIN are found on the trans and engine (only found the ones on trans at this point) contacted the guy again about taking it back with the understanding he’s looking for another LBZ and once he does he has it sold as well (to me. providing i hear it run and have VIN run before that.. i keep the other one until that happens) we shall see what he says. that’s the pivotal point. time will tell. will keep you posted

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« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2019, 09:18:47 PM »
I’m still unsure how you can look up the vehicle history from a VIN with only the last 8? The last 6 are just a serial number. Digit 10 is the year, 11 is the factory city code, and 12-17 are the serial.


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« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2019, 12:26:18 AM »
The serial # is what identifies the vehicle.
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« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2019, 09:38:35 AM »
I’m still unsure how you can look up the vehicle history from a VIN with only the last 8? The last 6 are just a serial number. Digit 10 is the year, 11 is the factory city code, and 12-17 are the serial.


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with the last 8 on the machined surface begin engine oil filter on the allison trans, i took them to a chevy dealer and gave it to the parts guy. with that he gave me the other 9. which i then took and ran a carfax on.

i’m just kind of at a loss as to what to do right now. waiting to hear back from the guy and his uncle about swapping it back out with a better motor with a vid and a VIN before picking it up. all the while i’d keep what i already have as collateral (potentially..)

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« Reply #75 on: January 20, 2019, 10:34:24 AM »
Do you need this immediately? Or can if be a build it up and upgrade parts as you have time/money? If you can deal with the time/money aspect and don't need it immediately I'd personally keep it, you already have it in your garage.
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So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!
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« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2019, 11:14:58 AM »
no sir. i don’t need it tomorrow or anything. i just wish i knew how many miles were actually on it. bc the last one i looked at and got close getting one that had 440k instead of 140k as the owner thought. but it has 200ish K on it 3 years ago too. but fortunately was kept up with at the DMV and such. but this one hasn’t had a thing recorded since 2015. so..good and bad? from 2012 to 2015 it only had 15k put on it..

i just don’t know. i wanted to just get a good low mileage runner that just needed up and down pipes. EGR delete and intake. and modified harness.

still awaiting the sellers response. i’ll contact him maybe mid week if i haven’t heard back.

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« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2019, 04:08:10 PM »
no sir. i don’t need it tomorrow or anything. i just wish i knew how many miles were actually on it. bc the last one i looked at and got close getting one that had 440k instead of 140k as the owner thought. but it has 200ish K on it 3 years ago too. but fortunately was kept up with at the DMV and such. but this one hasn’t had a thing recorded since 2015. so..good and bad? from 2012 to 2015 it only had 15k put on it..

i just don’t know. i wanted to just get a good low mileage runner that just needed up and down pipes. EGR delete and intake. and modified harness.

still awaiting the sellers response. i’ll contact him maybe mid week if i haven’t heard back.

Makes sense, but if I was in this situation and had the storage area and the ability for the time and effort that you clearly put into the other aspects of the build, I'd just keep it and make it better. But that's me. Good luck either way.
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« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2019, 04:35:20 PM »
i appreciate the kind words and confidence. i’m really just waiting to hear from the guy with a response. either way, i think i’ll end up with a good power plant.

now that it’s clean and in the shop, it can just sit until a resolution is decided upon.

but, yesterday was a big for for the 60. USPS finally managed to not destroy the box (happened once before) so my pass side inner axle shaft, 35 spline outers and pinion yoke/seal/nut and upgraded pinned spindle nuts/washers arrived. the drivers side inner was already here so it was primed and painted. now the other 3 are hung, primed as painted as well. needed to get them done so i can assemble later this week.

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« Reply #79 on: January 20, 2019, 04:39:05 PM »
both 35 spline outers, short side inner, pinion yoke, seal, nut and spindle nuts.




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« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2019, 10:50:52 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: January 21, 2019, 03:59:02 PM »
start off with some comparisons.

old, worn out 30 spline outer vs new spicer 35 spline upgraded outer.







now.. for the new shiny :cool:





new u joints being installed in between new inners and outers.






















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« Reply #82 on: January 21, 2019, 05:04:53 PM »
in case anyone was wondering what part # the U joints were.


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« Reply #83 on: January 21, 2019, 05:07:06 PM »
Very nice work and in Dons fav color!
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« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2019, 06:29:13 PM »
decided to do a quick job before dinner. i figured i was done in the axle so far as cleaning was concerned.. so in went inner axle seals.

 before. completely bare minus bearing races



empty seal surface



test fit, just to make sure i had the right ones. hahah



questionably the best $130 (came with seals as well..) i’ve ever spent. i know it sounds like a lot for a simple tool, but when i tell you it took longer to write this post than install both inner axle seals.. you’ll get one too.



the retainer pin comes off when using. just helps hold the slide end on when in storage.



slip it in place, snug up the nut



2 adjustable wrenches to hold bolt and turn nut.. and you’re off to the races.



30 seconds later.. with 2 peaks to make sure it didn’t go too far, you’re done



what they look like on the new inner shaft/seal surfaces





and the other side



total time.. in 25° temps. about 15 min. that was with taking pics and keeping up with a dog. hahah

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« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2019, 07:01:55 PM »
Great write up. Thx


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« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2019, 08:34:38 PM »
Very nice work and in Dons fav color!
Yea, bout to say that!

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« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2019, 08:47:39 PM »
It’s amazing what torque can come from a screw


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« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2019, 09:44:36 PM »
i wanted to give it some detail under there. even though i’m most likely the only person to ever look under there. hahah. just needed some touches of color to offset the black hole that is the underside of a 1 ton truck.

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« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2019, 10:39:56 PM »
Nice attention to detail
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« Reply #90 on: January 22, 2019, 12:15:24 AM »
Nice tool there. Now that's its used want to sell it?  :rolleyes: I make just have to make one or "borrow" one otherwise. Have 2 to do now.

Wondering looking at this and my axles, would they benefit from painting the shaft since the 60 does not have a wet shaft?
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« Reply #91 on: January 22, 2019, 12:41:47 AM »
that tool looks like it came from Quad 4x4 or Torque King is what they call themselves now?  You cant pay more!!!

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« Reply #92 on: January 22, 2019, 06:16:09 AM »
well.. i did find (and purchased) a set of external axle seals for the 60 to keep junk out of the tubes (mostly dust and rain/warer) the truck will most likely never see ‘mud’ up that high, but dirt roads/trails possibly. and obviously rain while driving. company name is Seals-it. i’ll have some pics of them later. i may shoot a coat of clear on them to compare and  see which finish i like better (satin or crystal clear)

and yes, torque king is where i bought the tool from. sounded high when i was looking, but i’m telling you..after last night and seeing how easy/effortless it was, very glad to have had it. may end up sound the ones on the kaiser next just hyde he’s getting some gear oil seapage after driving in 4x4 for a bit and sitting in a slight angle. just out  the drivers side. and not a ton. but.. i don’t like leaks. lol

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« Reply #93 on: January 22, 2019, 09:52:34 AM »
Not complaining about the quality or price of their tools, I think when I did my D60/70 overhaul I spent as much in their tools as I did in parts!  It made the rebuild much easier having the tools they sell. 

I did the same thing for my D60 Off Road Design sells the outer seals for the tubes the P/N GU5117,  I guess we saw the same thing inside the tubes I think i removed 2lbs of dirt out of the tubes when I did my overhaul.

http://offroaddesign.com/catalog/Dana60UpgradeParts.htm

Please do not use the stage 8 spindle nut system on the GM/Dodge axles at least on the 93 and older versions, its a great system but will chew up your hubs, or at least that was my experience.
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« Reply #94 on: January 22, 2019, 10:43:13 AM »
Wonderfull, now that I got sets for 2 axles! One cheby and one ferd.
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« Reply #95 on: January 22, 2019, 10:46:24 AM »
the insides of my were terrible. rust scale and oily sand from when it was blasted as well. but when i saw those seals i was sold.

i got spicer spindle nuts. it said ford f-350, but if im not mistaken they were all the same part number. i just wanted the ones with the pin on the washer and not the fold down ears.

hopefully those will be going in shortly.. with pics to follow or course. hahah

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« Reply #96 on: January 22, 2019, 05:47:29 PM »
ORD and Torque King are good customers of mine. That seal installer won't work for disconnect design, like Mopar front housings and earlier yj/xj with the vacuum disconnect, but they are a day saver on EVERYTHING else.
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« Reply #97 on: January 22, 2019, 06:02:55 PM »
good thing i don’t anticipate doing any CAD 60s and such. hahaha just stick with the king pins and ford 60s

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« Reply #98 on: January 22, 2019, 06:13:03 PM »
What they made a CAD D60?  Was that some kind of special edition or something? 
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« Reply #99 on: January 22, 2019, 06:39:31 PM »
since it may be warm enough to paint tomorrow, i wanted to get what might need rolling and turning out of the way. so in went lower king pin bearing races and dust shields.



it didn’t call or any.. but i figured what the heck, RTV can’t be that bad on a somewhat (in my head) seal surface.









back upright, king pins.

in case anyone was wondering.. this is what 600ft lbs looks like without a $1200 torque wrench. hahah







also, just for reference, this offset mark is the difference between tighter than anything known to man and hand tight. not even alittle kidding. made this mark while taking off the old ones, so i figured i might as well use it for reference while tightening to an unholy level.



i put the new king pins in hand tight, retarded the mark the same amounted the one, and set to work with archimedes’ lever in an attempt to move the world.

this is the result


 

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