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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #150 on: February 01, 2019, 10:08:28 PM »
Picture or not? Lol I have the same wheels if they look good I would love to stop looking at that crap corrosion I have going now


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #151 on: February 01, 2019, 10:10:29 PM »
Engine?
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #152 on: February 01, 2019, 11:15:57 PM »
Engine?
Be getting right on it. Cold spell, no workey. Warming up now. Try to stick it in the bay tomorrow.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #153 on: February 02, 2019, 12:20:22 PM »
Don, remind me the size, width and offset on the wheels?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #154 on: February 02, 2019, 12:38:12 PM »
Don, remind me the size, width and offset on the wheels?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #155 on: February 03, 2019, 01:09:47 PM »
Don how are those Bfg KM2’s holding up on C-max?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #156 on: February 03, 2019, 09:07:51 PM »
Don how are those Bfg KM2’s holding up on C-max?


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Not bad Dave. I don't recall the mileage on the truck when i installed them, wasn't in the 80's somewhere. I now have over 100K on C-Max and they are easily at 1/2 tread.
I will not put another set on it though. I towed heavy once and I was worried with the D load range. My next set are going to be Kanata's that have a tread identical to Goodyear duratracs. (Pirated??)
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #157 on: February 03, 2019, 09:17:22 PM »
I think I am going to a more narrow tire of what I currently have. Need to order this week


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #158 on: February 05, 2019, 08:37:36 PM »
Dave, you wanted to look at the tape line, well here it is. And there are problems. On a couple of the wheels, the tape did not pull away cleanly, and pulled a ragged line in an otherwise flawless paint job...!!!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #159 on: February 05, 2019, 08:39:18 PM »
I guess I'll have to redo those!

The five bags of balance beads show up tomorrow, but no mounting the tires until I sort this little SNAFU out

So, the Dorman steam pipe gaskets came in and were installed:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #160 on: February 05, 2019, 08:40:36 PM »
And I removed the stock converter and threw in the new higher stall unit. Both were 13 In in size although the Monster transmission part has a higher stall
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #161 on: February 05, 2019, 08:41:26 PM »
With that done, it was time to do some heavy lifting
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #162 on: February 05, 2019, 08:42:54 PM »
After some wrestling, and at a perfect time. Just as my wrestlers got off the bus I put them to work wrestling six liters of Chevy performance back into place
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #163 on: February 05, 2019, 08:45:22 PM »
Looks good in there!

And came up with a "slick" tip.

When installing bolts back into areas not that heat affected, stick the threads into some nozzle-coat that you have for your mig welder. Afterward they seem to glide right in and the heavy waxy paste will ward off water and corrosion (I think)

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #164 on: February 05, 2019, 08:47:44 PM »
The engine almost fell into place, mating up with the transmission quite easily. I got some bolts into the bellhousing and the motor mounts re-bolted, but for some reason had these waves of nausea that came over me, so I had to throw in the towel and call it a night. I was thinking of the president, visualizing him in the house chamber in my mind's eye. As my eye drifted, it fell on the speaker and I got sick!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #165 on: February 05, 2019, 08:51:13 PM »
Oh and tomorrow, I go to look at a super cool rear differential. I have just located a hybrid that a company called Garda used to upgrade the 2500, 8.1L Suburbans that were sent to Iraq. THis hybrid features a Dana 80 center section with 14 bolt axle tubes and hubs. I think they have some massive sized axles and on the brake rotors, this axle has two calipers per side! How cool is that?

I think it is a 4.56 which will solve my dilemma of screwing up the factory gearing with the 34.5" tires.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #166 on: February 05, 2019, 11:59:32 PM »
Guess I shouldn't ask, did you replace the seals?

Dana 80, seen those on some 80s cummins.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #167 on: February 06, 2019, 06:46:57 AM »
that 80 should be more than enough center section to hold anythingf you’d put it in front of. they were used in the later model 2nd gen cummins as well as some 7.3/early 6.0 f350 duallies if i’m not mistaken. they have a squished up dana 60 diff cover. like it was put in a vice and mashed hard. hahah

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #168 on: February 06, 2019, 06:52:36 AM »
We had one in the rear of a f350 dialysis with 7.3 circa 2000ish
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #169 on: February 06, 2019, 07:31:22 AM »
We had one in the rear of a f350 dialysis with 7.3 circa 2000ish

dialysis.. i hope was alright!!

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #170 on: February 06, 2019, 10:29:02 AM »
Guess I shouldn't ask, did you replace the seals?

Dana 80, seen those on some 80s cummins.
Seals? Transmission input?
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #171 on: February 06, 2019, 10:41:04 AM »
Since you had it out and pulled the converter. Looked like it wasn't leaking should be OK.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #172 on: February 06, 2019, 10:56:45 AM »
We had one in the rear of a f350 dialysis with 7.3 circa 2000ish

dialysis.. i hope was alright!!

Yeah, how autocorrect changes dually to dialysis is beyond me...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #173 on: February 06, 2019, 08:12:02 PM »
OK, so I purchased the rear axle. This is a hybrid built by Garda Corporation for the up-armored Suburbans that were used overseas and by the secret service and some others.

It is a Dana 80 with 14 bolt 4" axle tubes and 35 spline axles. It is set up to bolt directly into a suburban like mine!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #174 on: February 06, 2019, 08:15:37 PM »
But it's rusty Boss! We want shiny parts!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #175 on: February 06, 2019, 08:18:12 PM »
It was never installed or has ever turned over by engine power, it simply has never been used.

It is really a heavy duty unit. It has 4.88 gears held in by billet caps. The axles are aftermarket 35 spline forged units held on with 12 point bolts. The rotors are slotted, and obviously heavily rusted, but turnable, I think. It has an odd brake caliper mount that can mount twin calipers on each rotor. Looking at the brake line, the hose was simply "T'd" into each caliper.

Tate is already involved. He will supply a Yukon Gear limited slip from Randy's worldwide and some other stuff. The gentleman, Tommy, who sold it to me will set up the diff and turn it loose to me for reconditioning from that point on
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #176 on: February 06, 2019, 08:18:48 PM »
But it's rusty Boss! We want shiny parts!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #177 on: February 06, 2019, 08:19:46 PM »
The aftermarket axle
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #178 on: February 06, 2019, 08:20:48 PM »
Slotted brakes and stock chebby caliper. There was two on here, but Tommy removed one from each side already
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #179 on: February 06, 2019, 08:22:02 PM »
Beef!

11.25" ring gear, 12 bolts, like really big bolts, take a look:

Forged bearing caps

Edit: Shawn thinks the caps may not be forged. Looking at them now, I would agree. No parting line from forging...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #180 on: February 06, 2019, 08:25:08 PM »
They sat outside for some time at Garda awaiting a vehicle. That never happened for this guy, so he got a bit more of the H2O and sunshine than the others. Tommy has had it in his shop for most of the time.

Tommy builds all sorts of cool stuff n that shop. Here is a dana 80 front steering axle:

I believe he said it is destined for their logging truck which is already 4WD
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #181 on: February 06, 2019, 08:25:44 PM »
that looks pretty slick, I could of swore that most of the uparmor conversions I saw had Sterlings in them but maybe that was the Fords

Nice score either way!  What gears are in it?

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #182 on: February 06, 2019, 08:27:30 PM »
Caps don’t look forged, there appears to be gas cut marks running across them. My 2 cents....
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #183 on: February 06, 2019, 08:30:14 PM »
that looks pretty slick, I could of swore that most of the uparmor conversions I saw had Sterlings in them but maybe that was the Fords

Nice score either way!  What gears are in it?
4.88
And that raises a point of discussion.

I had planned to swap up to 4.56 because of the 315-70R17 tire which is 34.4" tall. But the 4.88's only raise the cruise RPM at 70 mph a bit over 200 RPM. So that brings me to a decision point. Again, thinking this was a 4.56 before looking at it, I had planned to purchase the 4.56 gears for the front from JR and go that route. Now I am trying to decide the best way to go here...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #184 on: February 06, 2019, 08:31:26 PM »
Caps don’t look forged, there appears to be gas cut marks running across them. My 2 cents....
OK.
I thought I heard Tommy say they were forged
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #185 on: February 06, 2019, 08:34:45 PM »
Caps don’t look forged, there appears to be gas cut marks running across them. My 2 cents....
OK.
I thought I heard Tommy say they were forged

Doesn’t mean they are any less strong, depends on whet they were cut & machines from. They do look beefy.....
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #186 on: February 06, 2019, 08:37:45 PM »
Those could be grinding marks, but I'm no expert.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #187 on: February 06, 2019, 08:38:00 PM »
So we should discuss gear ratio and also run a single caliper or two on each side with the "T" which would essentially split the pressure, but double the swept area. Now why would they do that in the first place???
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« Reply #188 on: February 06, 2019, 08:39:32 PM »
Those could be grinding marks, but I'm no expert.
To me, they look just like gas torch cut marks. Doesn't matter really, heck there is a gasser pushing the thing. Couldn't make enough torque to hurt it if it tried!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #189 on: February 06, 2019, 08:49:53 PM »
And I have another decision to make.

So I decided on how I was going to lift it. I'll start with a BDS front lift because it tucks the torsion bars way up in the stock location. No "wait-ah-minute" crap hanging down like a naval fighter tail hook.

The front lift is a very mild 7".
(Thought you'd approve!) :rolleyes:

But they supply a 5" block for the rear.

I don't like tall blocks, so I gave Deaver Spring a call. Their first response was to say they didn't want to tackle this one since the Suburban spring is 4" shorter than the 1500HD/2500 truck. OK, no worries, I contacted Atlas Spring. I got no response from them at all.

I don't like it when people don't bother to return calls or respond

Then I got to thinking...I own a brand new set of Silverado non-HD rear 64" springs...hmmm

And I own a brand new, never used shackle flip kit

And I own a front spring mount I had picked up for SquareD

So, I could throw in that 64" silverado rear spring and set it to the height I need...

More work (Which scares me) but that could fix my problems for like no cost!...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #190 on: February 06, 2019, 08:55:18 PM »
Maybe I am missing it, but I just see a dual caliper. You say the line is T'd to each piston? Don't see that as an issue, does it have the standard emergency brake?

A 7 inch lift? Now you need 37s! I sure liked my Contito NTBD lift, just sold it.

Another fluid change, and paint it green  :facepalm:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #191 on: February 06, 2019, 09:02:20 PM »
Maybe I am missing it, but I just see a dual caliper. You say the line is T'd to each piston? Don't see that as an issue, does it have the standard emergency brake?

A 7 inch lift? Now you need 37s! I sure liked my Contito NTBD lift, just sold it.

Another fluid change, and paint it green  :facepalm:
There is only one stock caliper per wheel, but on the other side is provision for a second one. One line comes in, then "T's" to then go to each caliper of the same rotor. Make sense?
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #192 on: February 06, 2019, 09:03:42 PM »
...And

You have no idea how hard I am trying not to turn this into an oil change. No green paint. I have to get on the road in May for a month of drive time to visit my boy in Seattle and visit with many of youses.
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2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #193 on: February 06, 2019, 10:19:48 PM »
Chief, do you guys have an actual leave date? Our crew cab has a date in Idaho on May 24.

As far as lift, gears, axle.... keep everything as simple as possible to reduce the work. Use it for the trip, make notes on the way of what needs to be fixed or upgraded.  Didn’t you already buy tires....lift begat bigger tires, begat potential re-gear of both axles vs just one. But I am fighting all of this with the crew cab, we’ll sort of, different items but still a never ending choose this change that, type of thing it seems. Just my 1/2 cent....

How is your wife?
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #194 on: February 07, 2019, 09:10:15 AM »
May is going to be here not long from now, just saying.
I'll be in Idaho probably mid May, but no date set.... whenever my brother in law tells me the road is semi dry going into the property.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #195 on: February 07, 2019, 09:13:45 AM »
T-
Would love to meet up.
So they get out of school somewhere between the 17th and the 24th. Its a sliding window that is adjusted for missed snow days. By the time it warms up it will be locked, but not yet.

I'm moving on the gears, and axle. With the taller tires it really needs regearing and might as well launch with something cool underneath.

But I agree, keep the mods to a minimum to fit the go date.

Kat was seen by a specialist, and guess what??? He said that the cardiologist read the catscan and another report wrong. He sees clear linkage with some out of wack numbers and this fescula structure and some shunt that I haven't heard about before. He is digging in and said he feels he can find the solution. He is eliminating the life threatening stuff at the moment. Prayer works, so far she has something, but is may not be the widow maker sort of thing...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #196 on: February 07, 2019, 09:14:40 AM »
May is going to be here not long from now, just saying.
I'll be in Idaho probably mid May, but no date set.... whenever my brother in law tells me the road is semi dry going into the property.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #197 on: February 07, 2019, 09:50:01 AM »
Next up bullet proof glass ( we have a company in Ogden that mods these for that)  turret on top and a tactopper mod right?


Thanks for the update on the boss lady.  Glad to hear she has someone in the medical side who is interested and not just dismissing things like so many do.


As you road map out this trip with dates and so forth, do you have some things you want to see or do specifically as you go to each state?  Lots of these states surrounding me have more national parks than the rest of the country and a whole lot of neat things to see!!

Thoughts? Do we need a Dons Road Trip build thread.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #198 on: February 07, 2019, 11:17:28 AM »
Like Dave said, I’m glad to see there is someone who cares checking into things for her. May you God give you guys peace while He works through the hands of the doctors to find her solution.

I guess gears are farmed out so that’s one less thing you’ll have to do.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #199 on: February 07, 2019, 01:47:17 PM »
Dave needs fired again, he mentioned the unmentionable (TT.....)!!! :knucklehead:
Living in the remote north hoping Ken doesn’t bring H up here any time soon…..

 

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