Shadow goverment or instrument to overthrow our democracy?

[Flyin6]

I do not understand how living in a country with its democracy established over 200 years ago, and for the first time in history , suddenly we have one of our former presidents set up a group called "Organizing for Action",  (OFA) 30,000 strong working to disrupt everything that our current president is trying to do.  This goes against our Democracy, it is an operation that will destroy our way of governing. It goes against our Constitution, our laws , and the process established over 200 years ago. If this is allowed to proceed then we will be living in chaos very much like third world countries are run.  What good is it to have an established government if it is not going to be respected and allowed to follow our laws?   If this does not scare you, then we are in worse trouble than you know.

 

It is explained below.  Do your part, read it and at least pass this on so others will know what we are up against. We are losing our country and we are so compliant. We are becoming a "PERFECT  TARGET" for our enemy!

 

Article from the New York Post.......

 

If you had an army some 30,000 strong and a court system stacked over the decades with judges who would allow you to break the laws, how much damage could you do to a country? We are about to find out in America.

 

The ex-president said he was going to stay involved through community organizing and speak out on the issues, and that appears to be one post-administration promise he intends to keep. He has moved many of his administration's top dogs over to an organization called Organizing for Action (OFA). OFA is behind the strategic and tactical implementation of the resistance we are seeing across America, and politically active courts are providing the leverage for this revolution.

 

OFA is dedicated to organizing communities for "progressive" change. Issues are gun control, socialist healthcare, abortion, sexual equality, climate change, and of course, immigration reform.

 

OFA members were propped up by the ex-president's message from the shadows:  "Organizing is the building block of everything great we've accomplished. Organizers around the country are fighting for change in their communities and OFA is one of the groups on the front lines...Commit to this work in 2016 and beyond."

 

OFA's website says it obtained its "digital" assets from the ex-president's re-election effort and that he inspired the movement. In short, it's the shadow government organization aimed at resisting and tearing down the Constitutional Republic.  AMERICA

Paul Sperry, writing for the New York Post, says OFA  will fight President Donald Trump at every turn of his presidency and the ex-president "will command them from a bunker less than two miles from the White House."  Sperry writes that the ex-president is setting up a shadow government to sabotage the incoming administration through a network of  non-profits led by OFA, which is growing its war chest (more than $40 million) and has some 250 offices nationwide. OFA IRS filings, according to Sperry, indicate OFA has 32,525 volunteers nationwide. The ex-president and his wife will oversee the operation from their home/ office near the White House.

 

Think about how this work, for example: Trump issues an immigration executive order; OFA signals for protests and statements from pro-immigrant groups; ACLU lawyers file lawsuits in jurisdictions where activist judges obstruct the laws; volunteers are called to protest at airports and Congressional town hall meetings; the leftist media springs to action; the twitter sphere lights up with social media; violence follows- all emanating from the ex-president's signal that he is heartened by the protests.

 

If Barack Obama did not do enough to destroy this country in the 8 years he was in office, it appears his future plans are to destroy the foundation on which this country has operated on for the last 241 years.

[TexasRedNeck]

Tree of liberty, blood of patriots and tyrants


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[Wilbur]

That is some scary stuff Don. I do think fortunately as the economy come back and more jobs are created that puts more "normal" Americans in Trump's camp. But what was described in that article is very creepy for sure. I am wrestling with whether it fits the "treason" label or not and based on what I see in this I'm not sure it does. (Lord knows Obama did enough that qualifies as ACTUAL treason when he was in the WH). But that freedom to protest is important.

[Flyin6]

That is some scary stuff Don. I do think fortunately as the economy come back and more jobs are created that puts more "normal" Americans in Trump's camp. But what was described in that article is very creepy for sure. I am wrestling with whether it fits the "treason" label or not and based on what I see in this I'm not sure it does. (Lord knows Obama did enough that qualifies as ACTUAL treason when he was in the WH). But that freedom to protest is important.

I think his acts ant the acts of all his active followers are nothing less than an effort to overthrow our functioning government as it is. I think in the end if not squelched, this movement will push the United States into a bolshevik type revolution which will emasculate us as a world power, result in untold death and destruction, and open us as prey for a strong conqueror. Think Putin isn't going to win?? THink again. Think China would risk upset the biggest consumer of its goods? You bet your bottom dollar. A bit of pain in the short term followed by a thousand years of world domination (in their view).

Just looking at the facts, the premise of my argument is infallible.

Help from the world you think? and who exactly?
France: Nope they really can just tolerate us
Germany: has its own islamic republic of Islam problem and a liberal government at the helm
Britain: Britain with, what 300,000 troops and a pending internal revolution with islam
Japan: No military to deal with the growing China threat let alone worry about us
Mexico: They believe they will take back a large part of south western United States
Canada: one word: Trudeau...(hippie, no balls)

Ever heard the phrase, "If you want something done right, do it yourself?" It applies here

[stlaser]

How is this different from the Clinton Foundation?

[Flyin6]

How is this different from the Clinton Foundation?

Bigger, much bigger
Flushed with cash (Same as CCO (Clinton Crime Organization))
More widespread
Less clandestine
CCO only benefits the "C's" where as this new development is working for world powers

There is a revolution coming

Good against evil

Right against left

America could cease to be.

[South_GA_redneck]

Ok, I'll bite. I feel like everyone here has an inclination as to what's going on.  It's the new world order/one world government type of stuff, they talk about in the bible. I can't for the life of me see or comprehend the end game/goal of these globalist type. Apparently they want to bring us all down to this savage level of moon worshippers so we are better slaves? Between income, sales, property tax and all the hidden taxes we pay (gasoline, ect) we ALREADY pay more than 50% of our earnings to tax. My question is at what percent do we cease to be citizens and become slaves?

[stlaser]

Uh we already are, get back to work & buying chit so you can pay your fair share......

[TexasRedNeck]

Like the matrix , we're just batteries feeding the machine


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[stlaser]

Like the matrix , we're just batteries feeding the machine


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I read years ago how the government views each one of us in terms of a set of number criteria. It was eye opening to see each individual minimized in terms of essentially a profit & loss statement.

[Flyin6]

Ok, I'll bite. I feel like everyone here has an inclination as to what's going on.  It's the new world order/one world government type of stuff, they talk about in the bible. I can't for the life of me see or comprehend the end game/goal of these globalist type. Apparently they want to bring us all down to this savage level of moon worshippers so we are better slaves? Between income, sales, property tax and all the hidden taxes we pay (gasoline, ect) we ALREADY pay more than 50% of our earnings to tax. My question is at what percent do we cease to be citizens and become slaves?

You are either a slave or a subject when you can't say no

There is a fine line

The bible tells us to give to caesar what belongs to caesar.

So if our government formed from we the people thinks we need to pay 20 cents per gallon of gas as a highway useage fee/tax, then that's what it is, no argument.

When they start to make statements that sound like you really don't have a right to some of what you earned by your labor when these poor helpless refugees have nothing is not true. If they then force you to give up more of what you own, either by open theft of your bank account like what happened in Greece, or by a tax that was shoved through by some special interest group, then you become a slave.
If someone comes knocking at your door and telly you that your child told another kid in school who is "Identifying" as a gay...And tells you that anything other than accepting the view that homosexuality is bigoted and subject to prosecution, then we have another problem.
So it has to do with messing with our God given freedoms, and being forced into paying for more than we should.

[TexasRedNeck]

We are to be subject to the laws of man, up to the point when those laws conflict with God's commands. Then you must be prepared to suffer the consequences.


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[stlaser]

Ok, I'll bite. I feel like everyone here has an inclination as to what's going on.  It's the new world order/one world government type of stuff, they talk about in the bible. I can't for the life of me see or comprehend the end game/goal of these globalist type. Apparently they want to bring us all down to this savage level of moon worshippers so we are better slaves? Between income, sales, property tax and all the hidden taxes we pay (gasoline, ect) we ALREADY pay more than 50% of our earnings to tax. My question is at what percent do we cease to be citizens and become slaves?

You are either a slave or a subject when you can't say no

There is a fine line

The bible tells us to give to caesar what belongs to caesar.

So if our government formed from we the people thinks we need to pay 20 cents per gallon of gas as a highway useage fee/tax, then that's what it is, no argument.

When they start to make statements that sound like you really don't have a right to some of what you earned by your labor when these poor helpless refugees have nothing is not true. If they then force you to give up more of what you own, either by open theft of your bank account like what happened in Greece, or by a tax that was shoved through by some special interest group, then you become a slave.
If someone comes knocking at your door and telly you that your child told another kid in school who is "Identifying" as a gay...And tells you that anything other than accepting the view that homosexuality is bigoted and subject to prosecution, then we have another problem.
So it has to do with messing with our God given freedoms, and being forced into paying for more than we should.

None of our labor is Caesar's, jjst a heads up but that is a verse that has been often debated.

[Flyin6]

Mark 12:17

Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him.

Matthew 22:18-21
18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, 20 and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

21 “Caesar’s,” they replied.

Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

Luke 20:25
He said to them, "Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

[JR]

I just keep thinking of the movie "The Postman".

[stlaser]

First I'm not catholic, not really any denomination. In fact I think TRN said it best that "I don't need anyone between God & I" (if my quote was off correct me please). I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior and with that I try to seek the truth where ever I can get it. I think B did a good job explaining what is Caesar's, regardless just some food for thought. Using math where it is black and white where there are right and wrong answers spells it out pretty plainly. We are all slaves at this point, you are kidding yourself to believe otherwise.

http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/07/27/the-one-about-rendering-unto-caesar/

[Flyin6]

First I'm not catholic, not really any denomination. In fact I think TRN said it best that "I don't need anyone between God & I" (if my quote was off correct me please). I believe in Jesus Christ as my Lord & Savior and with that I try to seek the truth where ever I can get it. I think B did a good job explaining what is Caesar's, regardless just some food for thought. Using math where it is black and white where there are right and wrong answers spells it out pretty plainly. We are all slaves at this point, you are kidding yourself to believe otherwise.

http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/07/27/the-one-about-rendering-unto-caesar/

Nothing of Barnhart's message shows evidence of love. I like most of what she says, rather matter of factly, but I do not see the love of Christ in her writings. It drips with anger and even hatred.

I see her as misinterpreting the point. We are supposed to obey the law of our nations. Some of those laws are mandates to pay tax. That's the way I see it.

[stlaser]

I hate evil too.........

Edit:

So I pondered on this a bit today, what Don stated prior. Here's my take or thought process. Is there not love & compassion in being held accountable for your evil actions by your fellow man? An evil person knowing they will hang at daylight might confess their sins and ask for forgiveness. Turning to Christ and this giving them the opportunity for their soul not to be lost forever. The act of holding your fellow man accountable is an act of compassion and in doing so a direct act of love. The simple fact she wants to convert them to Christ shows love. So quite frankly I see much love in her writing. It's there in bold print.

[South_GA_redneck]

I understand the need for a certain amount of taxes to keep up infrastructure, our military and all the public services we normally take for granted. What I don't like is all the tax money we pay that goes to things like abortion, welfare for able bodied drug addicts, illegals, porn for the IRS, ect.

[Flyin6]

I hate evil too.........

Edit:

So I pondered on this a bit today, what Don stated prior. Here's my take or thought process. Is there not love & compassion in being held accountable for your evil actions by your fellow man? I think that is judgement. I think it has to do with the law...old testament. We live in the grace age. Being held accountable has nothing to do with compassion I'd think, that's just judging. Some we do, some we should not. We are to test a thing against the word. If it aligns with the word of God, that is our green light to move out and follow. If not, it is of the devil. It is really that simple, black or white. Barnhardt seems to be consumed by her own anger. Not that I blame her. Was a day, they took out a couple of our guys. Killed them real bad. I didn't care about a bible at all that day, unless perhaps if I could have used it to make someone suffer or used it as a weapon. No love to be found in any of us that day, nope, just the former...Judgement, revenge, anger, hate. And I was filled with it!


 An evil person knowing they will hang at daylight might confess their sins and ask for forgiveness. Turning to Christ and this giving them the opportunity for their soul not to be lost forever. The act of holding your fellow man accountable is an act of compassion and in doing so a direct act of love.
Interesting interpretation, but in the narrow sense, judging which causes remorse which drives salvation, would not be a bad thing in my view. Lead the horse to water, and plant the seeds is what we are supposed to do.

The simple fact she wants to convert them to Christ shows love. So quite frankly I see much love in her writing. It's there in bold print.

Sorry to mess up your head...Let me dissect this and respond properly...

[stlaser]

Funny thing this accountability, many references in the New Testament to it. Also the case that if man doesn't hold other men accountable then society falls into chaos. Which well looking around is kinda where we are heading currently.

Edit: Then when you speak of grace yes we are saved by grace if we believe. However, an unbeliever is not saved by that same grace.