REAL MAN TRUCKWORKS & SURVIVAL
GENERAL TOPICS => Our Pro-Military, Veteran, and Thin Blue Line place => Topic started by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2015, 11:22:29 AM
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My favorite aircraft!
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Good Stuff!
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Hooks
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And the nose art is coming back!
Black Hawks and Apaches aren't big enough for any art work!
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No piluts alowd!
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Sentimental bunch!
Oh, and never, never, EVER, fall asleep in the back of a Chinook in flight!
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NSDQ
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OK, so there's a MD 530 in there...Flew them too and like em'
Just not as much
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Where's the tanks? ;D
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Where's the tanks? ;D
I have some tank pics!
I'll put them up in my Rut-Ro thread
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too bad there aren't any back scratching videos....or videos of someone dragging a tree around...
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And More!
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I like em'!
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Second pic dedicated to Bobby
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Nice
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I flew for "Darkhorse Airlines"
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How's the load hangin'?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOhQWTBGEf8
And why we have a dynamics Dept
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^^^You had to go and remind me of that.... >:(
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OK, Back to happy Chinook thoughts...
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Until I can find some more:
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I laughed HARD at the "formation of aviation warrants about to conduct PT" photo! ;D
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I laughed HARD at the "formation of aviation warrants about to conduct PT" photo! ;D
It is so true!
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Rob, the gentleman from NZ I met in Kandahar just sent me these:
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I have said it before and I will say it again!
dustoff is the only way that I will ever willingly ride in that damned catfish and when that happens, murphy blanked everything !!!!!!!!!!!!
by the way, how is duane doing?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualty_evacuation
Hmm. Learned something new today about yalls brotherhood.
Nate with just a few months to go if you need medevac something indeed has gone wrong.
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don,
I think this one may be even worse than the other one I shared...?
https://youtu.be/C2W6pDiopw0
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don,
I think this one may be even worse than the other one I shared...?
https://youtu.be/C2W6pDiopw0
That's pretty bad...
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I now need that product because of that Ad......
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Don. The NS guys that crashed in the Bin Laden compound had trained in a mock up with a chain link fence but the air was not stable when they went in because it was a solid fence. Can you talk us thorough how that fence can cause that instability that led to the copter going down?
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The Brits can fly these things too!
But I saw a couple of my alma-mater making it into the scenes (Probes)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203724579673570
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I am just going to leave this right here (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/10/3abea42f7ae40435eac208989289c91e.jpg)
Raising boys into RealMen!!
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Typical...
And not unusual
Been there did that...
One day the film crew shows up on my ramp. They want to get "Action shots" of pilots flying the aircraft.
They had us dress up all tactical like get in the aircraft and start it up. The guy with the camera filmed from below the aircraft, shooting up through the "Chin" bubble while we ran the aircraft flat pitch sitting on the ground. Those "Action/flying" scenes made it to be some recruitment advertisement.
All of that stuff is canned. You don't think Hollywood or any add firm photographers are going to get anywhere near a combat zone, do you?
When I think of those people, an older Don would have thought of a word that started with a P, has some S'es in it and ended in "ies"
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Pansies
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Pansies
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Like that...
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I seen that photo this morning and just couldn't resist, I had to poke the bear
Raising boys into RealMen!!
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I seen that photo this morning and just couldn't resist, I had to poke the bear
Raising boys into RealMen!!
Understood
All's fair in love, war, and web sites!
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I am just going to leave this right here
That's also the crawl phase of training for an air assault operation.
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Whose Chinook?
Which Armee is this?
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Whose Chinook?
Which Armee is this?
The hard to read writing on the side vaguely looks like German or Dutch.
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OOOHH, you're close
Been to Kandahar?
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OOOHH, you're close
Been to Kandahar?
Yep
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They were parked there
Along with the Dutch cougars (new tricked out Pumas)
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Just ran across this A/R tape
Made my skin crawl all over again...Man I hated doing that!
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=chinook+aerial+refuelling&&view=detail&mid=E6F29050EF6C92D64EA8E6F29050EF6C92D64EA8&FORM=VRDGAR
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Seems like they could give ya a longer hose? I'd give that a 9.5 on the pucker factor scale - what about you Don, you did it!
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Seems like they could give ya a longer hose? I'd give that a 9.5 on the pucker factor scale - what about you Don, you did it!
Oh yea, I used to do that, and while blacked out on NVG...even in clouds! Those crazy C130 guys were airplane flying, and never realized helicopters are afraid of clouds!
Yea one night I was "On the hose" up around 13,000 near Albuquerque. I was fighting the thing because of turbulence and it had been a long flight to that point. So while I'm on the hose, all I'm looking at is the hose which you have to push in and maintain it within a 10 foot distance, and trying to stay on the wing horizon which means keep the little batwing engine oil cooler right on the horizon, all the while looking right down the dump tube. The rotor blades get down to 15'4" from the herc. So while all this is happening, he goes into a cloud and starts a turn. All I am looking at is that wing maybe 35 feet away and very close to my tip path plane so I wouldn't know if we were inside a volcano!
Kevin, the other pilot says, "Hang in there Big D, only about 120 degrees of turn left." "Turn? We in a turn?" is all I could say. Like I said I wouldn't have known if we were upside down. Aerial Refueling is really difficult to do. I was the 13th guy ever qualified in the US Army
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Man, they make it look so easy in the movies......
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It's anything but easy
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Seems like they could give ya a longer hose? I'd give that a 9.5 on the pucker factor scale - what about you Don, you did it!
Oh yea, I used to do that, and while blacked out on NVG...even in clouds! Those crazy C130 guys were airplane flying, and never realized helicopters are afraid of clouds!
Yea one night I was "On the hose" up around 13,000 near Albuquerque. I was fighting the thing because of turbulence and it had been a long flight to that point. So while I'm on the hose, all I'm looking at is the hose which you have to push in and maintain it within a 10 foot distance, and trying to stay on the wing horizon which means keep the little batwing engine oil cooler right on the horizon, all the while looking right down the dump tube. The rotor blades get down to 15'4" from the herc. So while all this is happening, he goes into a cloud and starts a turn. All I am looking at is that wing maybe 35 feet away and very close to my tip path plane so I wouldn't know if we were inside a volcano!
Kevin, the other pilot says, "Hang in there Big D, only about 120 degrees of turn left." "Turn? We in a turn?" is all I could say. Like I said I wouldn't have known if we were upside down. Aerial Refueling is really difficult to do. I was the 13th guy ever qualified in the US Army
Wow. That's all I can say...
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Moar
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Like em'
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Beautiful!
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Nice pics again.
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D's and F's
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Hey, that middle picture..... Is that why you keep us DOT's around? :o
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the most impressive to me is that photo of the electrical tower being carried...
Whats the story with the car in dubai?
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Hey, that middle picture..... Is that why you keep us DOT's around? :o
Never thought about it...I guess you folks have added value!
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the most impressive to me is that photo of the electrical tower being carried...
Whats the story with the car in dubai?
Race car transport??
Who knows...
I used to buy 4WD parts and big car parts out west, then pack em in a hook and fly them back home.
Probably just something like that...
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http://ink361.com/app/users/ig-12647280/kblock43/photos/ig-1206766848409052462_12647280
Ken Block apparently put his Hoonicorn in one in the UK for a shoot for Top Gear.
https://youtu.be/_hf6ke1-i3E
heres the Dubai video. Love the AMG police cars...
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Do you always buy car parts with drivers in them?
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Do you always buy car parts with drivers in them?
I bought one or two of them with mice inside. That's roughly equivalent to the new American male, right?
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https://www.facebook.com/AviationTactical/posts/771844889583872
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https://www.facebook.com/AviationTactical/posts/771844889583872
Nate, When I was a young wipper snapper in the task force (160th) I was jogging one day back on Clarksville base. Underground complex where the Navee used to store important stuff. A couple of those bunkers were ours. One was open so I just jogged right in. The whole Guns-a-go-go weapons systems were sitting right there. Obviously somewone was thinking of fitting out one of our classified birds with the cool stuff...We never did...
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Not a Chinook, but maybe me...Not sure
Photographer was Ned Dawson, filming us on a mission. Gunner is getting ready to light up someone's world and burn the left arm off the pilot sitting there!
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Also not a Chinook, but I flew S-Model Cobras for a short time...cool aircraft
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Yes, Trump owned three Chinooks!
Used them to shuttle folks from the airport to Atlantic city to his casino
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A1E Skyraider
Could carry anything
Apparently a toilet bowl as well!
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Different flavors
Some regular
Some special...
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Red stripes = Fire fighting aircraft
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Landing on that LP-H on the "45" is not as easy as it may seem. The ship is not stationary! Nossir, it's moving along, normally 15-17 knots
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The white one with the Chinese markings was a Boeing Demo bird built for China.
I actually flew that bird. Repainted and reissued to the Army, we named it "China Girl"
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Cool!
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Is that Bobby on the aft rope?
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there is just TTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much comedy in this photo!
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Wish I could find the pic of my dads 34 getting lifted out of a field in socal by a 53.
I was building a radio control 46 in the red/white like the 47 above. Lost in house fire.
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That comic is hilarious to many industries! diggin' the blue Friday pic
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That comic is hilarious to many industries! diggin' the blue Friday pic
I'm sure you would!
Must be the Chinook unit up in Tacoma, or possibly my boys 4/160, a new hook unit which was stood up there
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Just love these pics!
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there is just TTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much comedy in this photo!
But I don't see any prop wash??
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there is just TTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much comedy in this photo!
But I don't see any prop wash??
Rotor wash: Same thing
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(http://i.imgur.com/5NXzvbz.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/5NXzvbz.jpg)
The only thing I can figure that's light in the Infantry is maybe sleep?
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(http://i.imgur.com/5NXzvbz.jpg)
The only thing I can figure that's light in the Infantry is maybe sleep?
Some other things:
Food
Time off
Response to Excuses
Compassion from pilots
Showers
Warmth in the winter
Comfort anytime
Support from just about anybody when in the bush
Care from the VA
Replacement uniforms
Sympathy
Compassion from others
Normal language devoid of four letter words
Well, for that matter, intelligent conversation at all!
Dry feet
Chewing gum...I heard many a grunt complain about not enough gum
Cleanliness
vehicular transportation
Dates on weekends
But for all that, there are a few things they are heavy on:
Honor
Respect
Integrity
Feared
Sense of value
Knowing they did their duty
Self control of fear
Manning up
Being someone worthy of that dirty flag on their shoulders
Courage
Sense of Duty
They won't quit (Not smart enough to, I'd suspect ;-)
THE RIGHT STUFF
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And a thank you to each and every one of them. God bless them all
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And a thank you to each and every one of them. God bless them all
I believe you were one as well Bob?
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Mission is called "Amphib-2"
I've done that a hundred times if I've done it once
I think these guys are dutch...maybe British
Nose of the aircraft is different...
https://www.facebook.com/AndradeRacing405/videos/1226217854056356/
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I bet the ground crew hates salt water in the craft....
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At the air show this weekend I think my grandsons favorite craft was a toss up between the Chinook doing ferry duty for the jump crews and the B25 "Paper Doll" that he got a special tour through because Grandpa knows people LoL
The one Chinook they were giving walk through tours with, that aircraft saw some serious foot traffic. There was a line two blocks long for most of the day. Grand islands Air Guard did a stand up job of hospitality and educating folks on the Chinook. You'd be proud Don.
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At the air show this weekend I think my grandsons favorite craft was a toss up between the Chinook doing ferry duty for the jump crews and the B25 "Paper Doll" that he got a special tour through because Grandpa knows people LoL
The one Chinook they were giving walk through tours with, that aircraft saw some serious foot traffic. There was a line two blocks long for most of the day. Grand islands Air Guard did a stand up job of hospitality and educating folks on the Chinook. You'd be proud Don.
Cool!
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The Chinook is being highlighted on the show "Alaska Mega Machines" tonight. Pretty cool stuff. This one has skies!
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The Chinook is being highlighted on the show "Alaska Mega Machines" tonight. Pretty cool stuff. This one has skies!
Those guys do rescue work up on Mt. McKinley. They are part of what we call the HART (High Altitude Rescue Team) Skis, obviously for landing on snowy surfaces.
A normal Chinook has a service ceiling of 20,000 feet due to the system that pressurizes the hydraulic system on the low side. But, I know of some people who took one to 27,000 feet one day...
I Used to do para drops from 20,000 from time to time in one
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Brit Hook
Second is a AW-139, another fav of mine, I got my type rating in it at the factory near Milan, Italy.
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Moar
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Hooks...
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I post em' as I find em'
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Magnificent aircraft!
The last pic is a result of the Obama inspired military budget cuts
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Some old B models from Vietnam. I actually flew some B models in the Instructor Pilot course...Scary, those early hooks!
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Hey Norm, I think we now know why Don likes his trucks big & heavy.....
Question Don, at the regional track meet for my daughter up in Lyons CO. A chinook flew over with what looked like a large orange ball dangling from its under carriage. It flew past southwest then about 40 mins later it flew north again. Any idea what that ball hanging down there was for?
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Is that a weight for a hook so it doesn't fly around when it doesn't have a load?
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Hey Norm, I think we now know why Don likes his trucks big & heavy.....
Question Don, at the regional track meet for my daughter up in Lyons CO. A chinook flew over with what looked like a large orange ball dangling from its under carriage. It flew past southwest then about 40 mins later it flew north again. Any idea what that ball hanging down there was for?
That was a 1750 gallon water bucket, called a "Bambi-Bucket" The crew dips the bucket into a pond, then scoops up a load of water then flies it to a fire location where they release it via hydraulic doors located in the bucket itself. I posted a hook "Fire bombing" with the Bambi bucket in this set...
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Is that a weight for a hook so it doesn't fly around when it doesn't have a load?
No, they fly around just fine without a load!
It's never been attempted, but there is a good chance the hook could set a time to climb record if anyone ever actually tried. That bird will climb like a homesick angel!
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Found it, post 93 bottom pic. Thanks for the clarification!
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Found it, post 93 bottom pic. Thanks for the clarification!
Also post #94, 4th pic down. That is a Bambi full of water about 100 ft below the aircraft. The last pic shows the flight engineer laying on the floor looking out the center hook hatch at the bucket. He is talking to the pilot telling him if the load is swaying or stable. Heck you can tell when 18,000 lbs on the end of a 100 foot stick starts to oscillate. It moves the whole aircraft!
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Some Crew Chief humor I came across...like 40 pics, I'll share:
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Finger, tongue, mike cord...You have to lick it and smear the saliva around inside to get the contacts to actually work!
Crew chief obviously got his vest hung up onto the cargo hook and got an unexpected ride...But I'd have NO personal knowledge of that ever heppening to me...
That's a forward blade mounted on the aft head! :o
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Rubber chicken pitot tube covers...clever!
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Anyone figure out the last pic?
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Isn't the safety wire supposed to be wound into the hole?
Love the hooker card. 33 men on board, right.
Was that Dustoffs Catfish getting filet'd?
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them some good ones!
yes I have licked it to stick it
poor job on the lacing wire, its not even connected
those nuggets had a bad day with that inventory!
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Isn't the safety wire supposed to be wound into the hole?
Love the hooker card. 33 men on board, right.
Was that Dustoffs Catfish getting filet'd?
Correct to the safety wire job. The nut is saftied to itself and not to the lock tab which would have prevented it from coming loose!
The Hawk is an Air Force HH-60. It appears to have been sling loaded and somehow ended up delivered upside down...strap broke??? Or some thunderstorm might have blown through and toppled it...
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The head looks padded like they meant to do it, but you would think some other support would be there too??
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Psh you can cram more people in the back, unless they're carrying overstuffed rucks... again the whole "light" infantry thing.
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Psh you can cram more people in the back, unless they're carrying overstuffed rucks... again the whole "light" infantry thing.
I know
Our record is 109!
40-60 rangers was pretty normal
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The head looks padded like they meant to do it, but you would think some other support would be there too??
Noticed that
So head is wrapped up like that for maintenance, for sling load operations and when being shipped onboard, ships...
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Don't dead fish float tummy up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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...Where the idea of "Star Wars" actually came from!
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Ode to Mechanics and Crew Chiefs!
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Big rotor system. Blades are over 27 feet long each. Rotor system spans 60 feet...and there's two of them!
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We study the duck to prefect our landing technique.
"Gear Down, three green
Flaps 45
Landing check complete"
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Flying these things in the places they ask us to fly is expensive!
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Anyone figure out the last pic?
Yep that would be one of those jam nuts on a rod end that needs to be safetied to itsself, nothing ever comes loose on a helio-copter anyway.
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Anyone figure out the last pic?
Yep that would be one of those jam nuts on a rod end that needs to be safetied to itsself, nothing ever comes loose on a helio-copter anyway.
Nothing :o
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Just to DOT things up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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That's not a Hook JR !!! shame on you.
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Blasphemy!
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Well, at least it is right side up and a BIG gun.
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Anyone figure out the last pic?
Yep that would be one of those jam nuts on a rod end that needs to be safetied to itsself, nothing ever comes loose on a helio-copter anyway.
Nothing :o
Other than the nut behind the controls I have seen that come loose many times!!!
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Drink anyone?
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Wow. Nice. I've ridden through there with the Ride2Recovery. Guy next to me was shot 5 times by that scumbag Nadal Hassan
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Did you drive down that way Don? Good stuff there- 2nd favorite to what we shared at the hide!
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Did you drive down that way Don? Good stuff there- 2nd favorite to what we shared at the hide!
Nope, but thinking of ridin' the Triumph down to Ft. Campbell next week to eat a Schnitzel and maybe lay some flowers at the Night Stalker Memorial.
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Ran across some more
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One of these applies to me!
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Purdy
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And a CH-46 makes an appearance
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I like em in green!
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Ozzie was a hooker???
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That's one good lookin' paint job!
First pic lookslike a pair of 107's or 122's just exploded
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Last pic: Aussies hot doggin' again!
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NASA too!
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No, we don't!
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Non PC, that's for sure!
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I like the one with the boy.
Did you notice the moon shot and the 1 with the 2 grunts are the same pics?
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I like the one with the boy.
Did you notice the moon shot and the 1 with the 2 grunts are the same pics?
I think they used the actual first lunar landing which was done with a Chinook, and photo-shopped that to create that unrealistic photo of a hook dustin' up the Stan...
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Non PC, that's for sure!
Love this! Political correctness is the downfall of our Nation and culture!
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BV-234
Civilian version of the Army CH-47. Notice all the windows...
BV234 seats 44
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You know with the Chinook's large cabin, ability to hold a bunch of people/associated crap, ability to settle into the water and wallow around like a fat duck, the USCG would like it for rescue and etc.
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You know with the Chinook's large cabin, ability to hold a bunch of people/associated crap, ability to settle into the water and wallow around like a fat duck, the USCG would like it for rescue and etc.
Chinook = Very Expensive
USCG = No budget
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You know with the Chinook's large cabin, ability to hold a bunch of people/associated crap, ability to settle into the water and wallow around like a fat duck, the USCG would like it for rescue and etc.
Chinook = Very Expensive
USCG = No budget
They don't have to be top of the line, gucci geared out.
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Found this
SFC Murrales dog tag found on his body
KIA Afghanistan, 160th SOAR Medic
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Downer. Rest in peace SFC murrales
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Downer. Rest in peace SFC murrales
^^THIS^^
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Don I saw this and thought of you. Not all your favorite birds but pretty well done I thought....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYFdldfYEJk
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^^^^Old Footage there. Lots of 101st Airborne aircraft in that
Koul stuff. Flying it is even neater!
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Cool stuff
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Time for Moar pics
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And more
The one carrying the MI-24 Hind, is the one I crashed in, the opening night of Desert Storm...The one in the book
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Isn't this fun!
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And all of you get to pay for all of this!
And I got to burn up all those dollars!
How cool is that!
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my question would be, why would you go and disrespect duanes dog like that........................SMH.....................hasn't he suffered enough just for having to drive the catfish.................................
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Is that guy in the 500 jumping out or sitting on something?
What is the item on the front port side of the 47, a sensor of some type?
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Is that guy in the 500 jumping out or sitting on something?
What is the item on the front port side of the 47, a sensor of some type?
Our "Little Birds" have racks on the outside of the aircraft for troops
Left protrusion is the terrain following (As in zero visibility very low level) terrain avoidance radar. If you're in the mountains and the weather just went to zip, well you still just keep on truckin' ;-))
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Sweet
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Found some more
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And more
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Chinooks hanging out with 53's...What's the world coming to?
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I was in the Varsity for three great years!
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That's a definite improvement for Chicago - Flying Hookers! Now, if you'd slide down S & SW a few clicks from that location with a mini-gun and do some community service it'd be much appreciated. Finish that run off with a trip to city hall and county offices..........
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That's a definite improvement for Chicago - Flying Hookers! Now, if you'd slide down S & SW a few clicks from that location with a mini-gun and do some community service it'd be much appreciated. Finish that run off with a trip to city hall and county offices..........
OK, Mikey, I'll put in the request.
Can't guarantee an approval, but I can say, the troops would be willin'!
That pic is from an upcoming movie, entitled
"Chinooks take back America and make things great again"
Well, that may not be the exact name, but that is a "Created" scene from a movie to be...
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we could only wish.
Like the BW of the engine, is that IR?
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we could only wish.
Like the BW of the engine, is that IR?
Yes, IR looking at a FLIR screen.
The green is looking through NVG's, probably PVS-14's or maybe ANVIS-6 gen4
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Happy Thanksgiving!
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Hammock...I wondered if those guys in the back ever did anything! ;-))
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Sorry to mess up the pic with those ugly Apaches and lawn darts
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Nice pictures. Rosie never looked better, but could 1 heli pick her up?
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Nice pictures. Rosie never looked better, but could 1 heli pick her up?
We can get one time approvals for higher gross weights for short duration. But I'd think Rosie would nearly wreck a perfectly Chinook...Just look at what she did to hollywood!
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Well, hollywood is a little more than short term to canada, but there are priorities. Maybe a C5 as the 17 would to small.
Have you noticed with the little O going out fly overs for public events have started again.
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Well, hollywood is a little more than short term to canada, but there are priorities. Maybe a C5 as the 17 would to small.
Have you noticed with the little O going out fly overs for public events have started again.
Roger that!
Obama's as commander in chief stressed the importance of operational commanders having a green base (Which has nothing to do with killing folks)
Trump is all about efficiency. A strong and lethal military (Which hasn't killed anything in the past month) broadcasts a not so subtle message. That is strength! (And a willingness to look for any reason at all to kick your a$$)
Flyovers are an expression of power and strength. Something which our outgoing CIC was always ashamed of (Because his muslim doctrine tells him to be loyal only to Islam)
Well, that's my country boy take on it.
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Found some more
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Pretty birds
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That T-Shirt is TRUE
Have I seen that witch before? Possibly running for president?
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Air Force training...
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Where's the Chief???
Yup, that's Mary-Jo
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You guys see all that coffee???????
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One Moar:
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bet you had to search to find the 47 saving a Blackhawk, or not??
Is that a Don sighting above?
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That the new Marine 1?
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And Big D is coming out of retirement.
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That the new Marine 1?
He doesn't own them anymore. When he owned the Casino on Jersey shore, he would fly folks from the airport to the casino in those BV-234's. Note that the civilian only Chinook has a bunch of passenger windows. It carries 44 folks, has a lav and baggage storage. Those birds were sold to the Chinese I believe...
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And Big D is coming out of retirement.
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I'm not sure I ever actually made it into retirement. This follows you like a birth mark...
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Canadian Chinooks. I like their paint scheme
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Last pic is camp Meir, Rainier at 10,000 feet
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Oregon boys
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First contact, send your best!
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Nose art...Gotta love nose art
My favs were:
Wierd Science B Co. 2/160 SOAR
Home sick angel, Innkeepers, An-Jin-Ri, Korea
Mammas Boys A co 2/160 SOAR
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Just had a thought
Ever notice how nose art tends toward images of our ladys?
So how exactly does that sync up with a military embracing gays and transvestites
My opinion: The military is here to kill our enemies, hopefully without getting sweaty while doing it. We ought to reverse the policies allowing gays and the sexually confused to openly serve.
But that's just me (and several million others)
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Let me tell you about this guy in the pic. His name is Gary, a friend of mine. That pic was taken in Afghanistan in 2008. He had just returned from an assault. He had this dash cam thing set up. I watched the film. In it you can see a hajji setup and fire an RPG at Gary's aircraft. The streak goes right over the nose, pretty close. You can hear someone saying Oh F__k audibly. Keep in mind that front office has noise levels around 130 db.
So Gary was in the desert war. He was also in Vietnam, in 1969! He was a Marine infantryman, an enlisted guy. When Ka-sang was overrun by NVA forces, Gary was one of 4 guys who lived to tell about that. four men survived from an entire company of Marines! Gary went on to serve another tour as a Marine sergeant, again in Vietnam. He served from the 1960's and as a sixty something year old, was still flying combat sorties in Afghanistan!!!!!!!!!!!
A couple years later, while I was the lead for my organization flying helos in Kandahar, Gary showed up again as a contract pilot, flying H-3's for what was left of Black Water. The man is a Spartan. A legend, A true, down to the core Warrior. And he lives in an underground house in Tennessee that has shooting ranges all around it. I deeply respect this man! He literally served over 40 years
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That's inspiring Don. Reminds me of Sam Elliot's portrayal of Basil L. Plumley in We Were Soldiers. Just too tough to die.
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Very cool about Gary. We are fortunate to have men like him in the USA.
Don I have a stupid question....the engines on the back of the Chinooks....do they provide any thrust or is that simply exhaust and all forward power is from the rotors? I had never thought about it before but for some reason one of the ones on the last page made me wonder? I suspect not as the Canadian version seems to have the exhaust angled up a bit but just figured I would ask.
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Very cool about Gary. We are fortunate to have men like him in the USA.
Don I have a stupid question....the engines on the back of the Chinooks....do they provide any thrust or is that simply exhaust and all forward power is from the rotors? I had never thought about it before but for some reason one of the ones on the last page made me wonder? I suspect not as the Canadian version seems to have the exhaust angled up a bit but just figured I would ask.
No forward thrust per-see. Upward angled exhaust found on the Lycoming L-714 version of that engine deflects hot gases up to both reduce the IR signature (A joke, really) but more importantly, to prevent troops disembarking from being roasted on the spot. Yes, that does happen. I think upwards of 500F air can get all the way to the ground with straight back exhausts, whereas the upward tilt negates that somewhat
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Smores! Right out the tail. Selfie stick, smore stick.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-chinook-helicopter-upgrade-2017-1
getting like the B52
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http://www.businessinsider.com/us-army-chinook-helicopter-upgrade-2017-1
getting like the B52
And that thing from the triassic that is cruizin' in Loch Ness.
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Why fix whats not broke?
I imagine the day will come when a male in a speedo will be nose art.
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Why fix whats not broke?
I imagine the day will come when a male in a speedo will be nose art.
I hope I never see that on that honorable bird!
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I for one completely agree.
Same subject...but different. Been a LOT of those Chinooks wandering around on weekends around here. My grandson hears one he always yells "gramps a twirly bird" He's 3 LoL
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I for one completely agree.
Same subject...but different. Been a LOT of those Chinooks wandering around on weekends around here. My grandson hears one he always yells "gramps a twirly bird" He's 3 LoL
Twirly bird...Love it!
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This "Hooker" thing is a movement!
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Magnificent!
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Lightening strike...Timing is everything!
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Many nations now operate this amazing aircraft
Sitting on the ramp in flight is an out of body like feeling. How many people get to experience views like this?
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Aft wheel landing training...Nerve racking...
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Guns-ah-Go-Go
Specially designed gunships from Vietnam
"Birth-Control" how appropriate!
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Is that Bobby or Blaine junkin' out over all that snow?
Grunts...
Actually, Jumpin-grunts...Special variety of the blunt instrument!
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Sometimes things go "Crunch"
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Sante-Klaus!
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I think that last photo is of the bird that was lost on Roberts Ridge during Anaconda, Afghanistan
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Don, do you have full size copy on the one showing the rain and lightning out the back? My kid loves it!!!!
JR
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Don, do you have full size copy on the one showing the rain and lightning out the back? My kid loves it!!!!
JR
No, I copied that one, I think, from the CH-47 Chinook Crewmembers facebook site, which is a closed, member only site
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...And some days the bear eats you!
Big Windy
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Was that yours?
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Was that yours?
No
I never flew for Big Windy
And the one we pancaked just tore the under carriage all to heck and back. It remained right side up.
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Found some more:
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The thing with wings was an experiment.
Called the Boeing 347 it is a stretched chinook with a variable geometry wing and two 4 blade rotors.
An aerodynamic principal called retreating blade stall and another force called "Compressibility" are physical factors which limit a helicopters maximum forward speed. Somewhere around 180-195 knots is pretty much it, well at least it used to be.
Today paddle blades, rotor blades with spoon looking apparatuses on the rotor tip delay the boundary layer separation which sets up the stall and improves forward speed somewhat
But this thing pushed 200 knots once if memory serves me correctly
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Was that winged exp real? The fuse looks longer, 4 blade heads and there is a hump above the rear wheels.
Looks like a static display too with the wheels mounted up and no markings.
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Never mind; https://travelforaircraft.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/winged-chinook-write/
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Yep, its real!
Retractable landing gear (dumb idea for a combat aircraft) and that gondola thing...That was a really bad idea
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Parthenon?
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Cool bird
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Sunset from the ramp:
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Talkin' about the nose low takeoff!
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I think I did my first roof top aft wheel landing only on a rooftop in LA in 1984...Stretching but I think it was on the Long Beach Holiday inn...
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Not a hook, but I remember a great time I had while training new Spec Ops recruits. We went to Jacksonville NAS in Florida. Everyone had a dunker day in the sim, then it was out into the bay where the candidate would jump into the water then be picked up by a little bird. I demonstrated how to do it. THen a little bird cane in and I hooked in. Later on you had to toe/heel climb the caving latter into the bird then was flown back to shore.
I'm waiting in the water and the LB arrives. I look up and see Col. Chuck Gant, the guy who did my book endorsement hanging out of the right seat with this big grin on his face. I hooked up and gave him a thumbs up and away he goes...Not according to plan there Colonel! He flew me like a mad dog, twenty feet below that LB then lowered me back in the surf not far from the navy ramp, I swam to shore. I guess he did that to scare the crap out of the recruits.
Joining special operations in not for the faint of heart!
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Not a hook either, but I saw this in the NightStalker page and thought of CW5 Randy Jones.
He was likely he single best gun pilot the US Army ever created. Wounded twice in Mogadishu, Somalia during the blackhawk down engagement, he would have been nominated for the Congressional medal of honor, but sinde MSG Shughart, and MSG Gordon were nominated, the SOAR backed off so as not to pull any honor from those gallant men of Delta.
It was a right of passage in the 160th to take a "gun Ride" with Randy. HE was the best!
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I see the boyz are still holding some high standards
NSDQ
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If you happen to have hijacked this ship, then this is the last sight your mortal body will ever have. Two seconds from this moment, you'll be dead!
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No Sir, BlackHawks are not gunships
snicker-snicker...
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https://youtu.be/DnrR_KD3rFY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9iR5CN5pLM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_wvyX_Rx-k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su8ELJygfqs
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One flew over the farm the other day. There is a guard unit out of Grand Island that has one. I think it was theirs. It was headed that way anyway. I had the chance to talk to some of the guys last summer. They brought their Chinook to the farm show and let everyone go through it. Great bunch of guys. Class act. They let kids and parents get in the cockpit and everything.
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Cool!
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heres a couple from my pic collection.
the first pic is when we landed at a FOB in eastern Afghanistan called Orgun-E. just over the mountains that you seen in the pic is Pakistan.
the other pics are of the pilots and actual crew when I was being instructed on preflight/postflight.
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Nate, I was over there a few times...Looking behind the camera, know those hills? We went T-Ban hunting up there a time or two...And ate at that mess hall and bought stuff at the PX which was better than the one at KAF!
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i have been to every crap hole FOB from Kandahar to bagram and salerno (khost) to tarin kowt in a hook, not to mention some grid locations in those mountains. shes a fat bottomed girl that can dance when trying to squeeze her in there.
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i have been to every crap hole FOB from Kandahar to bagram and salerno (khost) to tarin kowt in a hook, not to mention some grid locations in those mountains. shes a fat bottomed girl that can dance when trying to squeeze her in there.
I'll be I had my AW-139 or gunship Huey in all of those as well!
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i have been to every crap hole FOB from Kandahar to bagram and salerno (khost) to tarin kowt in a hook, not to mention some grid locations in those mountains. shes a fat bottomed girl that can dance when trying to squeeze her in there.
I'll be I had my AW-139 or gunship Huey in all of those as well!
you are correct, I believe you and I have talked about this exact thing before.
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Found some more good ones:
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And these:
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White "Experimental" flight uniform!
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And the ever cool nose art. I'm so glad to see that stuff coming back into the world of combat aviation!
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Found some more
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And these
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I'm the guy on the left
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and these...
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The Navy's worst nightmare!
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Assault takeoff
Fast-rope approach
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The Navy's worst nightmare!
2200 personnel. Of which 2000 were mechanics to keep those egg beaters operational!
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The Navy's worst nightmare!
2200 personnel. Of which 2000 were mechanics to keep those egg beaters operational!
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And using a CV or CVN to carry US Army aircraft!
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Turbine engine powered!
https://www.facebook.com/RCNation941/videos/2155194841370063/
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Cool, 5k of model there!
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Cool, 5k of model there!
Wow
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Pretty cool
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The Blue Angels have nothing on ma-boyz!
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koul
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US Army aviation in yet another "Stan"
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British Army CH-47C, Falklands, 1982
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Now, that's a hood ornament!
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Infantry brigade commander's idea of what we can lift:
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Infantry brigade commander's idea of what we can lift:
False the buildings look too nice, hence not an infantry area.
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that CSM is not doing his job!
that grass looks horrible and needs more blood!
and why is there leaves in the rocks and when is the last time that those rocks have been turned? they are getting sunburnt!
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All that you two knuckleheads noticed were the buildings????
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oh no, I did notice the tiny flying school bus attached to the BIG yellow rock, as well as got the pun....
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^^^ Typical... :cry:
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did I miss something?
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calling Don a school bus driver....those sound like fighting words....
:popcorn
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did I miss something?
I was offended by your racist/sexixt NCOist comment
Calling that CSM a he?
How do you know it was a he and not an "it" or a female, or a feminist female or a MSM (Metro sexual male) or a COWMP (Chauvinist old white male pig)
I'm intolerant of intolerance and of tolerance and any other "ance!"
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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There is an airplane on the Air Force base that has been used as Aircraft battle damage repair trainer for about the last 15 years and is no longer safe. They are talking about using a Chinook to come in and lift it to another area of the base so the airplane can be disassembled. I hope they do I would love to watch that
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Please video it so we can watch it
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There is an airplane on the Air Force base that has been used as Aircraft battle damage repair trainer for about the last 15 years and is no longer safe. They are talking about using a Chinook to come in and lift it to another area of the base so the airplane can be disassembled. I hope they do I would love to watch that
What kind of airplane?
Things with wings do not always play nice with the almost 100mph rotor wash. Oftentimes they start flying with interesting outcomes.
A guy I knew had picked up a damaged huey and was carrying it single point. A huey is a pretty light load, even fully loaded. It requires a drogue chute to be attached to the tailboom so the nose stays pointed straight ahead, and forward speed is limited by the loads stability. As long as it behaves itself, the pilot will increase airspeed slowly until the load starts to occolite. When at that point you'd back off say five to ten knots and bore a long slow hole in the atmosphere onto your destination.
Well this huey was doing pretty well at 100 knots so they bumped it up a bit. The load remained stable but the added pressure broke the drogue chute line and just like that the load started to try and spin. It did some wild gyrations as they tried to slow down but when he saw the huey level with him outside of his window, he cut it loose.
This happened in Germany
Meanwhile below, in the everpresent winter mist and haze lied a quiet little German village. In that village lived the classic "little old lady" who was busy cooking, I believe. Well she heard a thunderous crunch and the house shook, but then all returned to normal so she went on about her business. I think it was the neighbor who shortly thereafter pointed out the huey occupying the space where her bathroom had once been...
I believe that Huey never returned to service.
And don't get me started, I have loads of funny Chinook carrying loads stories
Like the time when I was .....;-))
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Sounds like a fun new thread^^^
Do it !!!
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Chocolate mountains, Arizona, or maybe a wee bit into California??? 1984 I think. Me in a MH-47D with two Marines flying two CH-53D's are shuttling Marines and artillery up into the range during an exercise. I was carrying troops, the gun and a net full of ammo attached to the bottom of the gun, aka Armee style. Marines had some regulation that prevented them from carrying Marines and the gun or ammo on the same bird...dunno, strange rule if ya ask me.
On the last sortie I took on a stick of maybe 20 Marines and then they directed me over a 10,000 lb concrete block instead of the 105mm gun. So, whatever, I picked it up, the two Marine 53's hooked their concrete blocks and away we went. They were lead and chalk 2, I was trail. Crossing a ridgeline ou ahead I see a smoke trail rising and coming right at us. It was a thing they called a "Smokey SAM" simulating a surface to air missile. Now I will comment that at that time I had never seen either simulated or real missiles, however I can now say I have seen both.
Anyway, you can't stand there and get turned into particles, so in one flash I armed the hook, jettisoned the load, turned hard away and dove down a wadi. The two 53's stayed in formation and were "Shot-down." I survived, but when it was all over, I discovered we were not allowed to jettison these expensive concrete blocks.
I discovered this while standing at attention in front of a Marine Colonel who was yelling at me and slamming things around in his office. He called me a multitude of things, none good, swore against my beloved Army, and swore to have my wings. I think he actually liked we Army folks but on a Marine base that was never to come out. I graduated and continued to see that man as a one then a two star General. He was always surprised when he climbed into my jump seat and I pulled up my visor...
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Pretty good stuff, felt like I was there!
Didn't you knock the top off an antennae during night maneuvers once (or twice lol) ?
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That’s a great story, because of the whole army marine thing is so real for me personally. Been yelled at by both army and marines. Of course never got to have any fun flying like you did though! If You could post a story like this every few days, that’d be great, thanks!! :)
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Pretty good stuff, felt like I was there!
Didn't you knock the top off an antennae during night maneuvers once (or twice lol) ?
Once
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That’s a great story, because of the whole army marine thing is so real for me personally. Been yelled at by both army and marines. Of course never got to have any fun flying like you did though! If You could post a story like this every few days, that’d be great, thanks!! :)
Every few days, hugh
Got a better idea
I'll start a new thread, call it, "There I was"
Folks will have to post up some of their own good stuff to share, military or otherwise, doesn't matter
I'll get it going in a bit
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That’s a great story, because of the whole army marine thing is so real for me personally. Been yelled at by both army and marines. Of course never got to have any fun flying like you did though! If You could post a story like this every few days, that’d be great, thanks!! :)
Every few days, hugh
Got a better idea
I'll start a new thread, call it, "There I was"
Folks will have to post up some of their own good stuff to share, military or otherwise, doesn't matter
I'll get it going in a bit
Oh this will be grand!!
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There is an airplane on the Air Force base that has been used as Aircraft battle damage repair trainer for about the last 15 years and is no longer safe. They are talking about using a Chinook to come in and lift it to another area of the base so the airplane can be disassembled. I hope they do I would love to watch that
What kind of airplane?
Things with wings do not always play nice with the almost 100mph rotor wash. Oftentimes they start flying with interesting outcomes.
A guy I knew had picked up a damaged huey and was carrying it single point. A huey is a pretty light load, even fully loaded. It requires a drogue chute to be attached to the tailboom so the nose stays pointed straight ahead, and forward speed is limited by the loads stability. As long as it behaves itself, the pilot will increase airspeed slowly until the load starts to occolite. When at that point you'd back off say five to ten knots and bore a long slow hole in the atmosphere onto your destination.
Well this huey was doing pretty well at 100 knots so they bumped it up a bit. The load remained stable but the added pressure broke the drogue chute line and just like that the load started to try and spin. It did some wild gyrations as they tried to slow down but when he saw the huey level with him outside of his window, he cut it loose.
This happened in Germany
Meanwhile below, in the everpresent winter mist and haze lied a quiet little German village. In that village lived the classic "little old lady" who was busy cooking, I believe. Well she heard a thunderous crunch and the house shook, but then all returned to normal so she went on about her business. I think it was the neighbor who shortly thereafter pointed out the huey occupying the space where her bathroom had once been...
I believe that Huey never returned to service.
And don't get me started, I have loads of funny Chinook carrying loads stories
Like the time when I was .....;-))
The aircraft is a WC 135 but all the special gear is removed so it is just a KC 135 with a cool paint job. The plan if the lift it is to remove the horizontal, vertical and the wings from the tip to just outside the landing gear torque box area. From the place it is resting to the ramp area is about half mile by air and 2 miles by road. I will video it if they do the lift
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Max lift on a D model Chinook is 26,000 lbs center hook, and I think 28,000 fore and aft hooks combined. So they will have to get what's left down to that or better, and do the lift in the winter with the thick cold air!
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Bet that is sea level too. Ain't gonna be the same in places like Tahoe with 30% less density. (carb tuning days)
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Bet that is sea level too. Ain't gonna be the same in places like Tahoe with 30% less density. (carb tuning days)
Very true
Sealevel to normal elevations, the Hook can lift its maximum load.
The actual design specification for the "D" model is to hover out of ground effect (80') at maximum gross weight at 95F!
That's a tall order and took two 4,500 HP motors and some whoppin' big rotors to get there, but it could do it all day, and then some.
But on one mission the regiment was called out to do, landing at a bit above 20,000 feet, it was sketchy if the bird could hover with its crew and four soldiers. I personally doubt it could with the winds blowing around up there.
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Getting me remembering air assault school stuff there.
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Getting me remembering air assault school stuff there.
yep, been there too!
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There is an airplane on the Air Force base that has been used as Aircraft battle damage repair trainer for about the last 15 years and is no longer safe. They are talking about using a Chinook to come in and lift it to another area of the base so the airplane can be disassembled. I hope they do I would love to watch that
What kind of airplane?
Things with wings do not always play nice with the almost 100mph rotor wash. Oftentimes they start flying with interesting outcomes.
A guy I knew had picked up a damaged huey and was carrying it single point. A huey is a pretty light load, even fully loaded. It requires a drogue chute to be attached to the tailboom so the nose stays pointed straight ahead, and forward speed is limited by the loads stability. As long as it behaves itself, the pilot will increase airspeed slowly until the load starts to occolite. When at that point you'd back off say five to ten knots and bore a long slow hole in the atmosphere onto your destination.
Well this huey was doing pretty well at 100 knots so they bumped it up a bit. The load remained stable but the added pressure broke the drogue chute line and just like that the load started to try and spin. It did some wild gyrations as they tried to slow down but when he saw the huey level with him outside of his window, he cut it loose.
This happened in Germany
Meanwhile below, in the everpresent winter mist and haze lied a quiet little German village. In that village lived the classic "little old lady" who was busy cooking, I believe. Well she heard a thunderous crunch and the house shook, but then all returned to normal so she went on about her business. I think it was the neighbor who shortly thereafter pointed out the huey occupying the space where her bathroom had once been...
I believe that Huey never returned to service.
And don't get me started, I have loads of funny Chinook carrying loads stories
Like the time when I was .....;-))
The aircraft is a WC 135 but all the special gear is removed so it is just a KC 135 with a cool paint job. The plan if the lift it is to remove the horizontal, vertical and the wings from the tip to just outside the landing gear torque box area. From the place it is resting to the ramp area is about half mile by air and 2 miles by road. I will video it if they do the lift
Looks like they will be cutting the aircraft up in place so no lift for the chinook
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https://www.facebook.com/HeliOpsMagazine/videos/325674888062893/
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Sweet paint job. I see us markings, where is that?
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Sweet paint job. I see us markings, where is that?
It looks like the ramp outside the Boeing plant in Philly along the river where they are built. I'm betting this was a complete refit, 20-25 mil
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Isn't that what a new civi one runs anyway?
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I’m always fascinated by their front and rear rotors not hitting each other
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Isn't that what a new civi one runs anyway?
Probably 30-40 depending on options I'd guess. These days the Armee is finally getting new ones. The F's and G's have a lot of composite. These are older 1980's-90's "D" models that are completely reworked, some having parts from the 1960's. Civilians cannot buy CH47D's new, only surplus ones that are reworked. The civvie models, the BV-234 is a buggered up antiquited design derived from a Vietnam era CH-47C
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Isn't that what a new civi one runs anyway?
Probably 30-40 depending on options I'd guess. These days the Armee is finally getting new ones. The F's and G's have a lot of composite. These are older 1980's-90's "D" models that are completely reworked, some having parts from the 1960's. Civilians cannot buy CH47D's new, only surplus ones that are reworked. The civvie models, the BV-234 is a buggered up antiquited design derived from a Vietnam era CH-47C
I do believe that billings flying services are using D models....
http://billingsflyingservice.com/news/avationpros-billings-flying-service-earns-the-first-faa-type-certificate-for-the-chinook-ch-47d-helicopter/
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Saw this one on the way to Grand Rapids last week. Sorry for the poor pic, but you get the idea. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190304/ee2183c2c0d92963af7347394aea7882.jpg)
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Isn't that what a new civi one runs anyway?
Probably 30-40 depending on options I'd guess. These days the Armee is finally getting new ones. The F's and G's have a lot of composite. These are older 1980's-90's "D" models that are completely reworked, some having parts from the 1960's. Civilians cannot buy CH47D's new, only surplus ones that are reworked. The civvie models, the BV-234 is a buggered up antiquited design derived from a Vietnam era CH-47C
I do believe that billings flying services are using D models....
http://billingsflyingservice.com/news/avationpros-billings-flying-service-earns-the-first-faa-type-certificate-for-the-chinook-ch-47d-helicopter/
Correct, they are one of the certificated operators...and Columbia helicopters
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Ran across some more cool pics
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And these
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Is that a new type of Osprey behind it in post #317? :azn:
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Is that a new type of Osprey behind it in post #317? :azn:
Behind the safety wire art work?
That is a Chinook my friend!
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Is that a new type of Osprey behind it in post #317? :azn:
Behind the safety wire art work?
That is a Chinook my friend!
I thought he was talking about the wind turbines, kinda look like an ospreys rotors.
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Is that a new type of Osprey behind it in post #317? :azn:
Behind the safety wire art work?
That is a Chinook my friend!
I thought he was talking about the wind turbines, kinda look like an ospreys rotors.
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https://youtu.be/KPo_MvjbFUg
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Here's one I came across. :wink:
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Ah, it is so true...At the heart of every person is the love for the Chinook!
You know...Aside from the Iconic Huey, what other helicopter rises to the level of this thing? Loved and used by Armies all over. Been in fights, and rescues, on land, at sea, high in the mountains and deep in deserts. It has carried just about everything man has ever conceived and is still actually growing in significance. It costs more, but does more and so many times is the unsung hero of the operation, still working deep into the night when the "Hero-crews" have retired and gone to bed. It is elegant and powerful and assertively American. Like a Navy Aircraft Carrier when it shows up, everyone knows the power of the US military has arrived. Some hate the thing, some love it, but after having worked it or worked with it, respect it, all. It is made of the same stuff that legends are built from and perhaps when the last Huey is flown to the boneyard in some distant decade, a Chinook will ferry the crew home...
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This is my favorite scripture:
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The Regiment
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HOOAH!
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Next to the sub, you get a sense for how big that bird really is
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Next to the sub, you get a sense for how big that bird really is
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There's a whole lot more underwater!
And they do not necessarily stay stationary.
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Great pics, Big D!
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Next to the sub, you get a sense for how big that bird really is
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There's a whole lot more underwater!
And they do not necessarily stay stationary.
The bird, or the sub?
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Next to the sub, you get a sense for how big that bird really is
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There's a whole lot more underwater!
And they do not necessarily stay stationary.
The bird, or the sub?
Navy Captains do not like to sit in one place. The name of the game is to keep moving. That makes flying and landing on naval vessels tricky. Depending on the wind direction you may encounter up to moderate turbulence just downwind of any superstructure.
So imagine hovering sideways (Moving) and having to keep a more or less precision position in potential deadly (cold) waters while bucking and kicking in some nasty wind. That and should you contact the tower you will obviously crash and potentially damage a very important piece of equipment.
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Next to the sub, you get a sense for how big that bird really is
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There's a whole lot more underwater!
And they do not necessarily stay stationary.
The bird, or the sub?
Navy Captains do not like to sit in one place. The name of the game is to keep moving. That makes flying and landing on naval vessels tricky. Depending on the wind direction you may encounter up to moderate turbulence just downwind of any superstructure.
So imagine hovering sideways (Moving) and having to keep a more or less precision position in potential deadly (cold) waters while bucking and kicking in some nasty wind. That and should you contact the tower you will obviously crash and potentially damage a very important piece of equipment.
Sounds exhilarating! Wish I could have got into that line of work.
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Oh, I remember those days
Can't say I ever enjoyed A/R
https://www.facebook.com/helicopter.ua/videos/301228503765885/
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Fun times...I miss em
https://www.facebook.com/USASOAC/videos/891060144612436/
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some more
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and:
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Found some more on the Spec ops aviation site
Observation: I can't believe how big the 160th has grown. When i first joined it, it was actually called Task Force 160. We had two small companies of Hawks, really just standard Armee birds with some nav stuff, one company of hooks. That company, the one I first was inducted into was actually A Company, 159th Aviation Battalion (Of the 101st Airborne Div). TF-160. That meant that the 101st owned the unit but had no operational control over it. At that time the higher headquarters was actually classified. as we were above the Army's 1st SOCOM. We also had a lift company of OH-6C littlebirds, and another company, called "Six-guns" of converted OH-6's into gunbirds.
Then we became the 160th aviation Battalion, but still loosely held under the 101st Airborne, but that didn't last long as we became the 160th Av Bn, 1st SOCOM under the Army's Special Operations Command. That was strange because although 1st SOCOM owned us, they also had no operational control. Something higher up the food chain pulled our strings and poor old Army Special Forces didn't get much more than bread crumbs.
At that point we were starting to get infusions of really big money. Money to buy things like 34 new Chinooks which were modified by civilians into what we needed and then a fresh refit with MD-530's replacing the weaker OH-6's. We formed a Research and development office called SIMO, or Systems Integration Maintenance Office, and we picked up a national guard unit out of Oklahoma, the 245th Aviation.
Then we absorbed all Special FOrces aviation, really just seizing their budgets and taking almost none of their people, and picked up the 617th Aviation, a small hawk unit in Panama. We then were reflagged the 160th SOAG (Special Operations Aviation Group) and now had a one star overseeing stuff while maintaining a full bird as the group commander. Our numbers had been frozen at 1,111 (by Congress) as our budget was growing quite large. We were at a smoking operational pace and that cost a lot in travel and also in broken stuff like piles of broken aircraft. We were pushing the bounds of Army aviation so far out that the regular Army was no longer allowed to inspect or evaluate us. Our pilots were not well liked by the regular army because what they could see of our maneuvers looked like we were cowboying the helos. As an example of that, in 1984 I was sent to train with the USMC to become what amounts to being an air to air instructor pilot. It was interesting for me to become one, as the Army actually did not have such a thing, I was the only guy in the Chinook world. ANyway, I digressed, sorry
The unit blew right through 1,111 like my boys through a bowl of cheese fries and we were again reflagged as the 160th SOAR (Special Operations Aviation Regiment and picked up the USASOC sword patch. We were designated both a special operations and an airborne unit, and we flew and jumped a lot.
With the SOAR the hawks and little birds became first battalion and the chinook company I was in became a battalion of two flight companies and one maintenance company. Not long afterward we stood up an entire new battalion down in Savannah, the 3rd battalion, 160th SOAR. Oddly I actually went to war with them on their first deployment to desert shield/storm and they did very well.
Back a year or so before Panama I got to stand up what was called S&T, for selection and training. We were not much bigger than a platoon, but smaller than a company. We recruited, evaluated/assessed, and trained new officers and enlisted people to join the regiment. THat thing grew into a company and now has grown into a battalion!
The regiment stood up another battalion (Chinooks) in Washington state, 4th Bn. 160th SOAR because OIF and OEF along with all the little wars which that unit still had to prosecute was running the airframes into the dirt. (The road dedication sign of Jody is a guy who died in one of those places that no one realizes that Americans fight)
The Chinook was the workhorse in the Afghanistan theater because of the power of that bird. It is really the only practical bird for conducting assaults at higher altitudes which is like everything but 100 square feet in the stan!
Now they have fixed wing and Reapers and probably a base on the moon!
Anyway, pics come from them, God bless them, most of us never know the missions the have done which killed a cell enroute to somewhere USA with a team to kill school kids. Bad people who work at night!
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^^^ The woman looking up at the sign is Jody's widow, Janet
Can you imagine her life since that day?
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So they can haul a chinook in a C5? Wow, amazing
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So they can haul a chinook in a C5? Wow, amazing
Bet they can haul more than 1. Surprised they had to knock down the first mast, understand the aft.
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So they can haul a chinook in a C5? Wow, amazing
Bet they can haul more than 1. Surprised they had to knock down the first mast, understand the aft.
Correct JR, a C5 holds two broken down hooks. The fwd and aft pylons are removed requiring 24-36 hours afterward to put back together, but units like this one actually keeps a couple broken down 24/7 for worldwide deployment. C5's are also on call and usually no more than 5 hours out from something going down. While the C5 is alerted and enroute the wagon train to the ramp with everything that is prepackaged to load is ongoing. I'd say the aircraft starts to load within 20 min of the C5 coming to a stop. Takes a few hours to load and chain down. I went to Just Cause (Just cuz) riding backwards in a galaxy with two hooks in the belly beneath us.
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So they can haul a chinook in a C5? Wow, amazing
Yea Shawn, sure can
Part of the design criteria of military equipment is based on the opening you see in the C5's "mouth." Everything from tanks to trucks, to bombs to bridge sections and on and on. We plan to move the rapidly deploying armee with those seventy odd galaxys. Now I believe the C5B has a "Space" modification that will allow the forward pylon to remain installed on the Chinook, making it a fav of the regiment.
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Don I spied these two jems hanging out down in Brownsville, they look to be complete
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Those are "F" models, the newest incarnation of the hook. I'm guessing they are either transient or part of a QRF for somebody messing around on the border
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That rear shot kinda looks like a sea bass.
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That rear shot kinda looks like a sea bass.
Classic ramp droop!
When they closed it all up, the ramp and tongue were fitting tightly to the fuselage. But after some hours those cylinders will seep fluid and the whole ramp will start to open. Most crew chiefs tie something on the inside to prevent it from just falling open. Its bad to show up to a ramp which has settled to the ground and the locals have had a shopping foray inside your aircraft.
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That rear shot kinda looks like a sea bass.
Classic ramp droop!
Its bad to show up to a ramp which has settled to the ground and the grunts have had a shopping foray inside your aircraft.
Fixed it for more realism.
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That rear shot kinda looks like a sea bass.
Classic ramp droop!
Its bad to show up to a ramp which has settled to the ground and the grunts have had a shopping foray inside your aircraft.
Fixed it for more realism.
I can't believe you just admitted to that!
I've accused probably hundreds of grunts of "Chinook-hysterical-theft-syndrome"
But out of of all my accusations, chewing the butts off half a thousand of them, standing so many soldiers at attention while I give them a significant hearing loss to at least one ear, after all of that, I have never gotten one to admit to the heinous crime.
You know, even the bible commands you not to steal from Chinooks!
;-)
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That rear shot kinda looks like a sea bass.
Classic ramp droop!
Its bad to show up to a ramp which has settled to the ground and the grunts have had a shopping foray inside your aircraft.
Fixed it for more realism.
I can't believe you just admitted to that!
I've accused probably hundreds of grunts of "Chinook-hysterical-theft-syndrome"
But out of of all my accusations, chewing the butts off half a thousand of them, standing so many soldiers at attention while I give them a significant hearing loss to at least one ear, after all of that, I have never gotten one to admit to the heinous crime.
You know, even the bible commands you not to steal from Chinooks!
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Hey now.....i am gonna have to give my leg brother some back up here!
Bobby at no point admitted to any such thing! All he did was seek clarification of the assumption/accusation that you were making towards him and his brethren....
Its not our fault that 15 series folks do not comprehend physical security!
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I'm not saying that I have any knowledge of shiny things disappearing off aircraft. I'm just saying I've heard Pilots, well Aviation in general like to lose things and if it's laying around unsecured it's free.
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I'm not saying that I have any knowledge of shiny things disappearing off aircraft. I'm just saying I've heard Pilots, well Aviation in general like to lose things and if it's laying around unsecured it's free.
"I'd say that's mighty big talk for a one eye'd fat man"
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"I'd say that's mighty big talk for a one eye'd fat man"
There was a line in the movie Courage under Fire, something along the lines of " the best way to beat pilots at poker, is to distract pilots, to get them talking about their helicopters... pilots LOVE talking about their helicopters."
Just because aviation can't keep track of MREs and shiny things. Don't blame us simple grunts who have to secure your birds.
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https://youtu.be/9-cPWheNyaA
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Don, Don???
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I'm ignorin' them
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I'm ignorin' them
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I'm ignorin' them
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It's ok, it's well known the Blackhawk is the superior airframe.
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Shots fired!
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I'm gonna show I am the better man here
Although I wanna ring the staff sergeant's neck!
I didn't say that...
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I'm gonna show I am the better man here
Although I wanna ring the staff sergeant's neck!
I didn't say that...
You'd have to stand in line. I'm sure other officers, privates and some ex-gf's would agree though.
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HAHAHAHAHA
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Oh dang. Bobby goin all in.
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Oh dang. Bobby goin all in.
Ate his Wheaties I guess
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Oh dang. Bobby goin all in.
Ate his Wheaties I guess
Had some coffee, got the brain cells firing again.
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Less chat, more pics!
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Some TF160 some chinook, its all good...
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Memories
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No words needed
But
I have a few for our enemies
You try it and this is what waits patiently to steal your life away when you least expect it. Prepare all you want. Build your fortifications. Pray to your God and ask his protection. Train, weapon up, and stand as strong as you can. It won't matter. We will kill you despite anything you can do.
https://www.facebook.com/USASOAC/videos/1229954050687837
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So what's up with this???
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Just hangin' around
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Hmm, sensors of some type?? No refuel prob, huge heat shields on the engines and beat to hell!
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That's the morale bird. Those are speakers for a sound system properly cued to play Flight of the Valkyries. ;-)
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That's the morale bird. Those are speakers for a sound system properly cued to play Flight of the Valkyries. ;-)
It's something
From my experience whenever someone or an engineer contractor who had the commander's ear wanted to bolt something on the side, they would.
Funny but the performance charts do not take into account all that parasitic drag burnin' extra fuels that cause helikopters to sometimes run ah-might short on fuel. And everyone knows, the mission will always go just as planned, right? I mean if that Captain said his Rangers could clear that building in 10 minutes, why, they never run into a snag and take more time...All while we helikopters are ah-circlin' overhead, 400 miles away from our next sip o-fuel.
Ya, extra drag and oh, how about a ton or two of extra weight and just let us pilots make it all majically work out
Engineers...
Grunts...
Taxes...
Liberals...
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LOL! Come on Chief! Where's all that negativity coming from! I thought you guys all want to be cool? Don't you want the mudsuckers to know how cool you are? Who needs extra fuel, anyway?
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My guess is an Active Denial System (ADS)... Fly over the BLM terrorists and shoot a few good rays at them... scatter like ants..
I honestly don't know why don't have thousands of them... roam the streets and if you see three black hoodies gathered together... Zapp... LOL Watch them run like they are on fire.
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Just hangin' around
I’ve had some good naps in a room that looks like this. Nice a quiet for sure
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Active denial??
I don't think so, but who knows
The nature of the unit and all that. We be mo bout sneakin' and peakin' here n' there, not so much angerin' the masses. Regular Armee can do that. We after those peeps who grace wanted posters with the big re-ward. :likebutton:
Mudsuckers?? We call em "Earth-Pigs."
No insult intended, just what we call non-aviatin' gravity ruled folkses
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Found some more
Showin' some love for the cousins
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Those wind turbines are really big!
Second pic of a Chinook looking for a duck to hook up with!
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Service in the 160th is a calling only a few will answer for the mission is constantly demanding and hard. And when the impossible has been accomplished the only reward is another mission that no one else will try.
As a member of the Night Stalkers I am a tested volunteer seeking only to safeguard the honor and prestige of my country, by serving the elite Special Operations Soldiers of the United States. I pledge to maintain my body, mind and equipment in a constant state of readiness for I am a member of the fastest deployable Task Force in the world, ready to move at a moment’s notice anytime, anywhere, arriving time on target plus or minus 30 seconds.
I guard my unit’s mission with secrecy, for my only true ally is the night and the element of surprise. My manner is that of the Special Operations Quiet Professional, secrecy is a way of life. In battle, I eagerly meet the enemy for I volunteered to be up front where the fighting is hard. I fear no foe’s ability, nor underestimate his will to fight.
The mission and my precious cargo are my concern. I will never surrender. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy, and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.
Gallantly will I show the world and the elite forces I support that a Night Stalker is a specially selected and well trained soldier.
I serve with the memory and pride of those who have gone before me for they loved to fight, fought to win and would rather die than quit.
Night Stalkers Don't Quit!
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I may have posted these earlier...
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Surprised they never incorporated retracts. Might have added 10 knots to the puppy.
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Surprised they never incorporated retracts. Might have added 10 knots to the puppy.
They did
Boeing 347
Had a stretched fuselage, four blades on each head, big wings, and retractable gear.
Experimental
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Things don't always go right!
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And then there are the rednecks with their bad ideas:
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But in the end, there is beauty!
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Post em as I find em'
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Things don't always go right!
Any landing you can walk away from...
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Ya know, it takes more power just to overcome the parasitic drag created by all that stuff than a Huey engine from the Vietnam era could even produce!
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I like the brass chute under the gattling gun
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I like the brass chute under the gattling gun
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That came about during desert storm. We started shooting ammunition called "Slap"
You probably won't find out a whole lot about it
But the plastic sabots pouring out of the gun were collecting on the engine inlets...ya, not so good
So with 4000 rounds per second streaming out, we had to keep the junk out of the horsepower makers which kept the crews and Lycoming happy
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I am somewhat familiar with the 30 cal sabot rounds. Good way to get a small hard projectile traveling at really high speed. Alas. Not for civvy use.
And of all the small caliber weapons not available to civilians the gattling has to be my favorite. Feeding it would be a different story. An entire weekend of reloading up in smoke in less than a minute.
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That came about during desert storm. We started shooting ammunition called "Slap"
You probably won't find out a whole lot about it
But the plastic sabots pouring out of the gun were collecting on the engine inlets...ya, not so good
So with 4000 rounds per second streaming out, we had to keep the junk out of the horsepower makers which kept the crews and Lycoming happy
I don't see how that shoot does anything to help with the SLAP-T sabots, seeing as they come out the end of the barrel before peeling away from the projectile. BTW, SLAP-T .50cal rounds go through a lot of things like a hot knife through butter. ;-)
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That came about during desert storm. We started shooting ammunition called "Slap"
You probably won't find out a whole lot about it
But the plastic sabots pouring out of the gun were collecting on the engine inlets...ya, not so good
So with 4000 rounds per second streaming out, we had to keep the junk out of the horsepower makers which kept the crews and Lycoming happy
I don't see how that shoot does anything to help with the SLAP-T sabots, seeing as they come out the end of the barrel before peeling away from the projectile. BTW, SLAP-T .50cal rounds go through a lot of things like a hot knife through butter. ;-)
You're right, forgot about that. Well they ended up in those engine screens in clumps. I'm sure a goodly number of them were ingested as well.
So you made me think back some. The casings were running down the side of the aircraft causing some FOD damage, but all those links and brass roller bearings were trippin up a bunch of snake eaters too. I may be junking up the actual story, but I think that is right.
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Oh and I recall the first time we lit up a BMP or maybe it was a PT-76 with a burst, the darned thing caught fire. I was amazed! An anti-tank Chinook...Who knew?
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Yeah. I know the .50 SLAP-T would go through anything short on an MBT.
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Thanks for goi g on about the SLAP rounds. It gave me something to watch while I was holding the baby last night on YouTube.
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There's no doubt at all watching a minigun burst as to whether the ammo is Slap or the regular stuff!
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Needs no added words
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https://www.facebook.com/thehelicopterpage/videos/1043321965690780
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During dear season a few years back I was having a pizza in Nevada City watching a Skycrane do the same. Talk about a great view!
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Got some more:
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and:
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Magnificent flying machine
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And some odd variants
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"Sir, Hold your down!"
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Several different countries represented here
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Have to be Brits...
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Back to normal, sorta:
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I've seen pics of the winged version. First time I noticed it had 4 blade rotors.
That PBY has probably never gone so fast before. They only cruised at 100mph, couple times I have seen them flyby it looks like it will fall out of the sky.
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I've seen pics of the winged version. First time I noticed it had 4 blade rotors.
That PBY has probably never gone so fast before. They only cruised at 100mph, couple times I have seen them flyby it looks like it will fall out of the sky.
Not only did it have wings, and 4-bladed rotor systems, but it was stretched and had retractable landing gear too!
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I did notice that, didn't know it was stretched. We learn everyday, even if 95% of the people wouldn't give darn about this stuff!
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Deserves a hardy place of honor amongst our great war fighting machines.
Men's souls can be found within the metal of these birds
May the sound of Huey blades echo forever into the future!
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Here, Here, that sound is awesome!
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I’ve always enjoyed the sound generated by a Huey, the rotor beat always has me looking at the sky.
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I’ve always enjoyed the sound generated by a Huey, the rotor beat always has me looking at the sky.
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So that sketch is of a classic "H" model, known as a "UH-1H"
In the Stan, I flew Super Hueys, "UH-1H II"
The standard version has 1300 HP, the Super Huey, 1800
The Super Huey had main rotor blades which were much wider
Because of all that, where a standard Huey cruises at 100-110, the Super Huey could manage speeds all the way up to 130!
The staccato beat from the super Huey at speed was much louder and deeper. I think I got that sound imprinted into my frame, having sat under that rotor system a thousand or so hours.
I noticed that the haji surely took notice when they heard that sound approaching. Sporting twin GAU-17 mini-guns, that sound definitely sparked fear and panic where we flew.
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I was sitting in the house up at the hide last night when a formation of 4 blackhawks flying in the dark at 150ft came right over the house.
Felt it before I heard it. Went out and saw just the red lights going south x south east at about 50 knots
Pretty cool. Reminder that if they wanted to clear the deck I’d never see it or hear it coming
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Guess they know where you are, just in case,,,,,,,,,,,
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I was sitting in the house up at the hide last night when a formation of 4 blackhawks flying in the dark at 150ft came right over the house.
Felt it before I heard it. Went out and saw just the red lights going south x south east at about 50 knots
Pretty cool. Reminder that if they wanted to clear the deck I’d never see it or hear it coming
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Agree, I doubt you would.
They're coming when you're probably asleep. From the first second you hear them until the bullets are flying is less than two minutes. Hardly enough time to get up, get your weapon, get ready and have your wits about you
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Yeah I was thinking FLIR and a hellfire from a stand-off of a mile away.
Poof. adios. Clean up on isle 5
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Yeah I was thinking FLIR and a hellfire from a stand-off of a mile away.
Poof. adios. Clean up on isle 5
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They'd shoot from further than a mile, and yes the dust would still be rising when the sonic boom arrived (as in you'd already be in the presence of the Lord asking, "What just happened?")
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My first ride in a chopper was a Huey at Air Force survival school. Was hosted up dragged into the Huey. They point where I needed to plant myself and what to hold onto. I got to witness firsthand some very impressive flying at low altitude and very near to some tree with very little traction between my backside and the cabin floor.
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They came back last night...
Now I’m getting paranoid....lets see if they come back tonight.
Probably wouldn’t take kindly to being lased but the thought crossed my mind...
I just need a big sheet of glass....
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Long as there not stopping. Maybe they know its "safe airspace"
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My guess is that since Im in the national forest that they practice NVG maneuvers here because there are no lights in the forest.
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My guess is that since Im in the national forest that they practice NVG maneuvers here because there are no lights in the forest.
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What is the illumination after EENT there tonight?
You can test your theory to see if the flying tapers off below 23% illum. Wouldn't affect the more sporty units, but nasty guard and "regular" armee would access low illum as a high risk flight which would require a Colonel or higher to authorize (Something he/she would likely never do)
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Hadn’t thought about that, but full moon, or close. With moon rise being about 8. So the 10-10:30 flight times would be when the moon is getting pretty far up to illuminate the intensifier tubes. Makes sense.
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Hadn’t thought about that, but full moon, or close. With moon rise being about 8. So the 10-10:30 flight times would be when the moon is getting pretty far up to illuminate the intensifier tubes. Makes sense.
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We "real" pilots call that "Field-grade" night. It's actually so light outside that you almost don't need goggles. The guys who fly the least, majors/colonels who are "field-grade" officers will be out with an experienced instructor pilot to get the necessary hours of NVG that they need to maintain currency. Real NVG pilots hardly ever fly during high illum because war fighting is best done on the darkest of nights and flying during high illum exposes you to a bunch of rookie pilots who don't know what they are doing
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https://www.facebook.com/1308919847/videos/g.120116615548/10225637698871805
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Link is locked.
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https://www.facebook.com/1308919847/videos/g.120116615548/10225637698511796
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Same, says it is only for "invited" guests.
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Same, says it is only for "invited" guests.
Shucks!
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Bernie is everywhere!!!
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Awesome pics boss!
I wonder what it would be like to hook up the slings under that Goliath for the first time. Oof
...Nate, you did that right? If so, try to describe it for us civies.
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What’s that robe you are wearing in that pic, Don?
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It does kinda look like one of Don's rare pics. Man gloves too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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What’s that robe you are wearing in that pic, Don?
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My snoopy sleepy time robe
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Awesome pics boss!
I wonder what it would be like to hook up the slings under that Goliath for the first time. Oof
...Nate, you did that right? If so, try to describe it for us civies.
Its real noisy
Very windy while it is hovering forward over you and the load
Touch the hook before you ground the aircraft and the static charge will probably knock you unconscious
Then when the aircraft is ascending to pull the slings tight it gets really windy
When the load comes off the ground and you're within 100-200 feet you are:
1. Inside a tornado
2. Probably flying as well
No one can stand in that downwash with a max gross weight load at an 80 foot hover.
Although I've seen many a fool try...
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Don't forget about the fall when you either get blown off the load or shocked off.
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Awesome pics boss!
I wonder what it would be like to hook up the slings under that Goliath for the first time. Oof
...Nate, you did that right? If so, try to describe it for us civies.
Its real noisy
Very windy while it is hovering forward over you and the load
Touch the hook before you ground the aircraft and the static charge will probably knock you unconscious
Then when the aircraft is ascending to pull the slings tight it gets really windy
When the load comes off the ground and you're within 100-200 feet you are:
1. Inside a tornado
2. Probably flying as well
No one can stand in that downwash with a max gross weight load at an 80 foot hover.
Although I've seen many a fool try...
Chief, what do they use to ground it before hooking it?
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I think they use an E1
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Either a home made ground probe or now days they have insulated reach pendants. We used to make them from a tent stake, commo wire and a stick with a bent antennae section as the hook with the whole thing taped together.
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Awesome pics boss!
I wonder what it would be like to hook up the slings under that Goliath for the first time. Oof
...Nate, you did that right? If so, try to describe it for us civies.
its a bit nerve racking.
1. you have this massive machine which according to physics should not even be able to fly let alone hover moving back and forth/up and down over your head,
2. you have some fool hanging out the hell hole staring at you,
3. you wonder if the mr. top gun wanna be fool operating the stick is going to sneeze and squash you like a bug,
4. 9 times out of 10 your standing directly ontop of whatever it is that you are trying to sling load waving what can only be compared size wise to the eye end of a needle (we call it a Q-tip) while trying to get the opening slammed into the hook opening and past the safety clasp (hoping mr top gun wanna be has it deactivated),
5. praying that which ever one of your moron friends/co-workers made the grounding rod correctly and that you dont litterally and i mean litteraly get blown off what ever it is that you are standing on by the massive shock of static electricty (i have seen it happen to many times),
6. having to stand there while T.G.Fool starts to gain altitude to ensure that your sling ropes dont get tangled up on anything.....doing all of that while as don puts it, standing in the middle of a tornado!
did i forget to mention if its a connex, then you have to get off of it lickity split with out doing the P.L.F. or your going for a ride?
heres a pretty good video of sling load operations: https://youtu.be/PtXun3t8eT0
I think they use an E1
they are normally not even involved at that point as they become/are too much of a liability and a mission failure factor that can only be mitigated by them not being involved.
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Don't forget about the fall when you either get blown off the load or shocked off.
I hate that
One night over at Ft. Smith some kid was hooking up a double HMMV load beneath my aircraft. The crewchief was looking through the center hole where the big hook is and he watched this kid who was standing on the wet roof of a HMMV reach up to grab the aft hook. The chief said it looked like he recoiled so hard that he fell off the truck and broke his arm...as in compound fracture. Lots of blood.
Well, me being in total mission mode and the flight lead. I told the people there to clear him out of the way and get another soldier on top of the load and get me hooked up because I was burning gas.
Now, in my defense I will say, this was a big mission. I was doing a proof of concept. I preached that the Chinook could carry a bigger load, further and return than anything and we were carrying a full load, 115 nautical miles, then returning on fumes to make another turn. I was the guy leading the whole thing, and frankly, in combat if someone gets hurt, you don't stop, you keep doing your job.
Thing is, this was not combat and my actions shed a dim light on me and my Chinook crews.
I regret that decision, and I definitely felt/feel bad for the kid who broke his arm. But I have always played hard and for keeps, and at that time, I think I was the only combat veteran in the flight or on the ground, so people were not used to operating like that. The Night Stalkers taught me a lot and hardened me up a bit too much for the regular Armee, I think.
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Awesome pics boss!
I wonder what it would be like to hook up the slings under that Goliath for the first time. Oof
...Nate, you did that right? If so, try to describe it for us civies.
Its real noisy
Very windy while it is hovering forward over you and the load
Touch the hook before you ground the aircraft and the static charge will probably knock you unconscious
Then when the aircraft is ascending to pull the slings tight it gets really windy
When the load comes off the ground and you're within 100-200 feet you are:
1. Inside a tornado
2. Probably flying as well
No one can stand in that downwash with a max gross weight load at an 80 foot hover.
Although I've seen many a fool try...
Chief, what do they use to ground it before hooking it?
The hook up guys have some cable hooked to their load or to a copper rod smacked into the ground with a steel probe. You touch that to the aircraft and you're good for a couple minutes.
When I would aerial refuel, we could bet this big blue spark, like miniature lightening to jump from the tip of the probe to the drogue at the end of the refueling hose. Made a snapping sound too.
Crazee times...
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Lets get the pics going again...
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Small pics, sorree!
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Keep going...
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Thanks Nate (and Matt). Perfectly put in to words.
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More of these magnificent flying machines and the soldiers who work around them
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Gobbling up soldiers...
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Aerial refuelling pic posted before...I reposted it just to remind me how much I didn't like doing that
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A little NVG helo-casting...The term we use when kicking out perfectly dry SF bubbas into ponds/lakes/rivers/seas/oceans
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I'm liking the paint on those new "F" models
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So, the first unit I ever flew hooks in was A co/159th, Task Force 160 and our unit call sign was Pachyderms, a name given the unit when it flew in Vietnam. Am I looking at some pachyderm tribute bird here???
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Soldiers
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Alaska mixed in here
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Salute at 10,000 AGL
Flag pics are always great
Singapore Air Force hook
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Great pics, D! I see a lot of 36th ID (TXARNG) pics in the tiny ones!
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Nice little show again. How many soldiers would you normally carry? (not the wiki #)
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Nice little show again. How many soldiers would you normally carry? (not the wiki #)
So we have seats for 33 with seat belts
So on a typical mission of low to medium risk, we would be restricted to those 33
However on high risk missions such as an emergency extraction the rules may get thrown out the window, then its a free for all
Special operations aircraft may theoretically have their own rules.
I have heard rumors of the crew chief packing 60 or more rangers in the back of my aircraft. I have heard rumors of the crewchief loading two jeep looking things and 40 rangers in the back of my bird. I also heard rumors of something approaching 100 peoples, all little munchkins mind you, flying off some place that was sinking or burning down, or about to get all blowed up, riding like cord wood in some night stalker aircraft. That of course is just conjecture, rumor, here-say, and unconfirmed bar-room drunk talk.
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Hoo-ah!
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"Heard Rumors Of" :likebutton:
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Great pics, D! I see a lot of 36th ID (TXARNG) pics in the tiny ones!
Excellent!
Gotta love soldiers from states that start with "T"
I love me some Ar-Mee!
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"Heard Rumors Of" :likebutton:
Yea, ya can't verify what may or may not have happened...
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That gray colored one is the first of many Chinooks delivered to the Indian Air Force
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That boy in the bird with the "Big Red One" on the pylon is bankin' a bit close to the ground...I would never (cough-cough) be caught dead doin' something exactly like that ;-))
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Looks like some paratroopers doing a "hop and pop"
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The Nav-ee's worse nightmare
Armee whirly-birds on their decks
Notice the Hookers painted a big "ARMY" on the nose?
Now why do you think they did that (He-He)
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It is said by many a wise man
That old Chinook pilots never die
They just fly off into a sunset...
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I post em when I find em
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Question, I see diff screen on the intakes in many of the pics. Are these engine specific, model specific or deployment specific?
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Generational, actually, JR
A models from the 60's had no inlet screens at all
B model had small engines with inlet screens that looked like a pointed front end
C ,D and E models forward had screens that were much larger kind of like a pointed mushroom
F and G models started using a variety of intakes. The barrel thing with all the little holes is a particle separator that pulls air in through the tube which has vanes which spins the air causing dust and dirt to be centrifuged into a collection chamber where it is pumped overboard via that aft facing tube.
Some birds actually had huge K&N filters which were a huge disaster as they filled up very quickly.
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Makes sense. Think the tractor style would work well with implements using them.
Funny ones are on the 53s that have 3 engines, looks weird with the offset intakes. When those flew into MCAS-H Santa Ana they almost pointed the nose straight up bleeding off that airspeed.
On a cool note, strangest plane I saw was a TU-95 coming into El Toro, being escorted by 2 F-4s. Mid 70s.
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Makes sense. Think the tractor style would work well with implements using them.
Funny ones are on the 53s that have 3 engines, looks weird with the offset intakes. When those flew into MCAS-H Santa Ana they almost pointed the nose straight up bleeding off that airspeed.
On a cool note, strangest plane I saw was a TU-95 coming into El Toro, being escorted by 2 F-4s. Mid 70s.
WHAT???
Soviet nuke bomber landing at a Marine base at the height of the cold war!!
Defecting?? Stolen?? Lost, made a wrong turn at the bearing sea?
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What’s the hook spraying in front of the osprey (pic taken from the trainer jet)?
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What’s the hook spraying in front of the osprey (pic taken from the trainer jet)?
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Water
Icing test. V22 flies into the vapor cloud and starts to build ice. The effects are measured. Some military aircraft do not have de-icing, only anti-ice. Those aircraft will not be allowed to fly in weather conditions with anything more than trace to light icing.
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Makes perfect sense
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Makes sense. Think the tractor style would work well with implements using them.
Funny ones are on the 53s that have 3 engines, looks weird with the offset intakes. When those flew into MCAS-H Santa Ana they almost pointed the nose straight up bleeding off that airspeed.
On a cool note, strangest plane I saw was a TU-95 coming into El Toro, being escorted by 2 F-4s. Mid 70s.
WHAT???
Soviet nuke bomber landing at a Marine base at the height of the cold war!!
Defecting?? Stolen?? Lost, made a wrong turn at the bearing sea?
Yep, it was the sound that got me looking. Never heard anything like it before. Who knows why, but figure we had enough bases and aircraft around that area to handle anything. Did you know there was a rocket factory in the hills behind El Toro? Used to hike up there and you could watch them test the engnes.
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What’s the hook spraying in front of the osprey (pic taken from the trainer jet)?
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My brother in law would tell you they are spraying chemicals to seed the clouds. Weather experiments.
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What’s the hook spraying in front of the osprey (pic taken from the trainer jet)?
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My brother in law would tell you they are spraying chemicals to seed the clouds. Weather experiments.
He'd be correct in saying they were weather experiments
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What’s the hook spraying in front of the osprey (pic taken from the trainer jet)?
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My brother in law would tell you they are spraying chemicals to seed the clouds. Weather experiments.
He'd be correct in saying they were weather experiments
He's one of them that thinks contrails make it rain.
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OK, no more late night radio for you guys.
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Couple of new ones posted over on the Night Stalker site
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That sound...
Settled into my very soul
Like the Huey from another war, this one is ours
Unique, powerful, awe inspiring
Feared by our enemies
Because hearing it for them and the men who will come with that sound
May well signal the end of their lives
That sound...
https://www.facebook.com/brad.bates.712/videos/10153284025876563
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Link says "private use only", guess I'm not your bud on FB. Lots of Dons there.
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Link says "private use only", guess I'm not your bud on FB. Lots of Dons there.
Crap...Saw it on my NightStalker members only site this morning and thought it was worth sharing.
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Saw this banking over the freeway yesterday.
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Notice the probe? One of ma boyz!
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I did. Think they were flying out of Ellington?
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I did. Think they were flying out of Ellington?
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No tellin' what they were up to. Most likely practicing a secret invasion of Texas to take it back from its millions of new residents...
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Well they brought backup this time
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About 150 off the deck cruising along the shoreline at the beach in Galveston.
My Russian friends dad, a Russian Cold War bomber pilot, was grinning ear to ear.
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I do believe this could have happened in the timeframe of the boss's enlistment, and carried out by the 160th.
Were you part of this Don? ... since it's no longer classified and all.
https://youtu.be/EKFL6DdWwiM
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Well they brought backup this time
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About 150 off the deck cruising along the shoreline at the beach in Galveston.
My Russian friends dad, a Russian Cold War bomber pilot, was grinning ear to ear.
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We don't use those things, too slow, not a SOAR asset. Aviators flying them not of the right mindset. Our DAP's have twice the firepower of those rattle traps.
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I do believe this could have happened in the timeframe of the boss's enlistment, and carried out by the 160th.
Were you part of this Don? ... since it's no longer classified and all.
https://youtu.be/EKFL6DdWwiM
I will say I was in the unit flying Chinooks at the time of Mt Hope III
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Had to make them feel much better knowing the French had their six....
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Had to make them feel much better knowing the French had their six....
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The french military is one thing, but the "Cappe-Blanc" is another. I have been right beside the french foreign legion, and those folks can stir up a rukus to be sure. Can't say I like them much, but they can fight.
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Love that first shot
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...But I think this pic captures the spirit of the thing. A spirit that each of those aircraft actually has because of the souls of the men who flew and were carried by it.
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That is a massive flag
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That is a massive flag
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Thats a garison flag......i have done many a flag detail with that big girl!!!!
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How big is it and what do you do with it on detail? Proper fold and store?
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here are the names sizes of the different flags that the US Army flies:
2–3. Sizes and occasions for display
a. National flags listed below are for outdoor display.
(1) Garrison flag—20-foot hoist by 38-foot fly, of approved material. (The post flag may be flown in lieu of the garrison
flag.) The garrison flag may be flown on the following holidays and special occasions:
(a) New Year's Day, 1 January.
(b) Inauguration Day, 20 January every fourth year.
(c) Martin Luther King, Jr's Birthday, third Monday in January.
(d) President's Day, third Monday in February.
(e) Easter Sunday (variable).
(f) Loyalty Day and Law Day, USA, 1 May.
(g) Mother's Day, second Sunday in May.
(h) Armed Forces Day, third Saturday in May.
(i) National Maritime Day, 22 May.
(j) Memorial Day, last Monday in May.
(k) Flag Day, 14 June.
(l) Father's Day, third Sunday in June.
(m) Independence Day, 4 July.
(n) National Korean War Veterans Armistice Day, 27 July.
(o) National Aviation Day, 19 August.
(p) Labor Day, first Monday in September.
(q) Constitution Day and Citizenship Day, 17 September.
(r) Gold Star Mother's Day, last Sunday in September.
(s) Columbus Day, second Monday in October.
(t) Veterans Day, 11 November.
(u) Thanksgiving Day, fourth Thursday in November.
(v) Christmas Day, 25 December.
(w) Important occasions as designated by Presidential Proclamation or HQDA.
(x) Celebration of a regional nature when directed by the installation commander.
(2) Post flag—8-foot 11 3/8-inch hoist by 17-foot fly, of approved material. The post flag is flown daily except when
the garrison and storm flags are flown. When a garrison flag is not available, the post flag will be flown on holidays and
important occasions.
(3) Field flag—6-foot 8-inch hoist by 12-foot fly, of approved material. The field flag may be displayed from a flag
pole only when distinguished visitors are present and only with the positional field flag.
(4) Storm flag—5-foot hoist by 9-foot 6-inch fly, of approved material. The storm flag is flown in inclement weather.
(5) Internment flag—5-foot hoist by 9-foot 6-inch fly, of approved material. The internment flag is authorized for deceased military personnel and for deceased veterans. Upon application to the nearest postmaster, the Veterans Administration will provide flags for deceased veterans.
(6) Boat flag—3-foot hoist by 4-foot fly, of approved material. The U.S. boat flag is displayed only with positional boat
flag colors and general officers flags.
(7) Ensign—2-foot 4 7/16-inch hoist by 4-foot 6-inch fly, of approved material. The ensign will be displayed on vessels
when required to indicate nationality.
(8) Union jack—The union jack consists of a blue base with white stars similar in all respects to the union of the flag
of the United States. The union jack is flown on ships at anchor or tied up at pier. When flown with the flag of the United
States, the union jack will be the same size as the union of the national color being flown.
(9) Grave decoration flag—7-inch hoist by 11-inch fly, of cotton muslin.
(10) Automobile flags—
(a) 12-inch hoist by 18-inch fly, of approved material, trimmed on three sides with fringe 1 1/2 inches wide. This flag
is to be displayed with the individual automobile flag of the President and Vice President of the United States.
(b) 18-inch hoist by 26-inch fly, of approved material trimmed on three sides with fringes 1 1/2 inches wide. This flag
is to be displayed on automobiles of individuals listed in table 3–1.
Flag details uncase, unfold and raise the flag as well as lower the flag, properly fold it and properly store it every day.
4 U.S.C. 7, title 4, chapter 1 covers this material and AR840-10 is the US Army regulation that covers the flag.
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That is a massive flag
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Thats a garison flag......i have done many a flag detail with that big girl!!!!
Correct!
Three most common sizes of the official US Flag
Smallest (normal size) is the storm flag
Next is the "Post" flag, which is larger and will be seen on larger flagpoles near the headquarters of military installations.
The largest is the Garrison flag which is adorning the interior of the hangar and is used on special occasions and some national holidays on masts which can handle that behemoth!
Oh, and Nate, you'll appreciate this, when I was a young and strapping Sergeant, I was once the NCOIC of the post flag detail for Illeshiem, Germany. I had just gotten in trouble, for allegedly "Borrowing" an M-88. The dope smokin' crew claimed I came and took the thing while they were at lunch and used it to pull the engine out of my M-60A1. That part is probably true. The messy part was that I just sort of went through their hatch lock, apparently ruining the lock, then there was something about driving with out a dispatch, or a ground guide, and something about me hitting something and breaking something else, well you know how these things can just take on a life of their own...
Well, some over zealous decided to try to give me an article-15.
When they read it to me, I asked for a courts-martial instead. That got me relieved from being a section sergeant and the sergeant major who knew me and also knew I was one of the few NCO's around that did not smoke dope, decided to assign me to temporary duty as NCOIC of the flag detail.
It was friggin great. Took most of the summer to figure out everything while I spent lazy days laying around the pool and chasing after female MP's.
As all things generally turn out OK, all charges were dropped, and I was sent back to my tank platoon just in time for gunnery! Ya, that was (mostly) a good memory.
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Cool
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Is that first pic how they sneak up on you?
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Is that first pic how they sneak up on you?
Well, not all that stealthy, but if you're in a zodiac rubber boat and you need to catch a lift out of a bad place, why, I'd just motor that sucker right inside that big ole cozy Boeing flying boat!
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I never knew...
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some nice pics
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Normally love the sound of twin rotors, especially now, knowing that the boss used to drive them around the world....but
These guys flew directly over my house twice before I could get out of bed and give them the single finger salute.
They were 500 yards out in this pic and I could barely hear it.
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3rd ^ picture looks like you landed at my property.
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3rd ^ picture looks like you landed at my property.
It does!
That's the famous "Roberts Ridge" bird/fight that took place early in the Afghan war. Probably up around 10,000AMSL
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just for Don
https://youtu.be/EIRuqEbGjUY
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Well, his facts are a bit off...
2200 HP each? Hardly! Normal power: 3750SHP each. Emergency power around 5,200SHP EACH!
45 grunts in the back...Well, seats for 33? No seats installed/open floor, 45 is a good number. I hauled 60 rangers many times. Record is like 109 small people.
But ya, if you're a bad guy and you hear this coming, run! If it's night time and you're an important bad guy, just commit suicide and save yourself a lot of grief
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You should watch some of his other videos, they are a little brash, but they are funny.
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Caught a couple more from the Night Stalker site (Closed to the public)
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Beauties!
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https://youtu.be/g90QUoORmc0
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Brits having fun at some airshow
https://youtu.be/FTz5uMBDcE4
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Memories?
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Memories?
I flew with the brits and the aussies many times. They were pretty good but some of us in the 160th were better. We didn't do aerobatics at the time and the only Air-air trained instructor pilot in the hook community was yours truly. Thus the invites to fly with them. I confess, I could well understand them, but we managed.
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Some of our European brothers
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Nice shots
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Two "F" models flew over my home yesterday. Made me think about flying them again...I do miss gracing the skies in that magnificent aircraft...
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How does one identify which model they are?
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How does one identify which model they are?
Lots of little things
The biggest tip off to the F-model is the new desert paint, not the dark green of the "D" models.
"E" models were fat tank birds with probes, but a great number of them were destroyed during the wars, so the newest model, the "G" is a special operations only variant. Pointy nose, AR probe, fat tanks, Terrain following radar on left side and Flir pod underneath, Has a lot of other stuff that is sort of classified, so I'll not mention that. 160th birds have mini guns and a .50 M2 as well plus a tail mount M240 just for added flavor, but that is seldom installed simply because of the large variety of things going on and off that ramp. Oh and the G's and the F's have the IR diffuser exhaust can looking things.
Oh and there are still some ancient "C" model hooks flying... wait for it...In the Iranian Armee!
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Found some more poking around on the UH-1 Huey veteran FB pages
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Navee doesn't like this!
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You would! :likebutton: :likebutton: :likebutton: :likebutton: :likebutton: :likebutton:
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The 60, 47 and 25 are sweet too. Got a thing for WWII birds.
I have an 8ft span B25 upstairs. Full retracts, flaps and CTR props to boot/electric. If I had some time!
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The 60, 47 and 25 are sweet too. Got a thing for WWII birds.
I have an 8ft span B25 upstairs. Full retracts, flaps and CTR props to boot/electric. If I had some time!
Which you don't!
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Creating a Chinook diorama
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=302294708471144
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https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/recovery-operation-to-remove-utah-national-guard-helicopters-from-mountain-underway
The videos of the blackhawks crashing at snowbird can be found on YouTube
Interesting to get your thoughts Don on the why and what went wrong
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First. I do not know the specifics of the accidents.
Next I would ask at what altitude did the crashes occur?
Was there snow on the ground...blowing snow as in creating a "white-out" condition.
Any of that could lead to different sorts of crashes
Now, I just happen to be a high altitude mountain flying rotary-wing instructor pilot,
so I have a direction I would go if I didn't know the circumstances of the crash. I would go to a loss of tail rotor effectiveness due to higher density altitude. In Afghanistan Blackhawks did not do well at high altitudes. It takes a lot of horsepower to drive those tail rotors which counter the torque that drives the main rotor. If the tail rotor was not there the fuselage would want to rotate opposite the rotation of the rotor. Now as you get higher and higher, two things start happening. First, the engines produce less power. Next, the rotor blades and tail rotor blades become less effective. So let's say you set up for an approach to a pad at high altitude. The aircraft is likely operating at the very top end of its available power. You are fighting winds and turbulence and say, on short final you get a good buffet or the wind reverses. Just like that you need to pull more power...power that is not there and the Rotor RPM droops. the resulting loss of lift pancakes you faster than you can say Biden's a loser.
Next thing that happens is some Chinook comes along to lift the busted bird off the mountain side.
A Chinook, in contrast to a black hawk has a huge abundance of power. It can hover at maximum gross weight out of ground effect at 10,000 feet at 95F!!! I don't think any other helo on the planet has that much power. It is a beast and no tail rotor to counter torque because both rotors turn in opposite directions cancelling out torque effect.
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I guess I had never thought of the torque and didn’t of course know the chinooks rotated in different directions
Interesting
I’ll send ya some video of it crashing if I can find them
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https://youtu.be/mQg9Ev9SEFA
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That's pretty obvious...
Whiteout conditions where the sky and ground all look exactly the same so the pilot cannot tell where the ground actually is.
Chalk 2 landed into the building snow cloud from lead (Big No-no) and instead of going around/aborting the landing continued to press it. He got all discombobulated (Aviation term for this ;-) and either landed hard or contacted the ground with the main rotors which is also a no-no.
Lead had his own problem as he also pressed the landing and you san see that he was chasing the snow cloud. Notice that he makes his approach to the middle of that open area but ends up crashed after striking the trees to his left. My theory: The pilot flying is not that experienced. He gets into this white bubble and as the snow cloud accelerates away from him, he chases after it trying to make something stay still long enough to land. He created his own visual illusion.
Commentary: I think there are several things going on here. It seems these guys are either young and inexperienced or they are like national guard guys who fly jets during the week, then get a weekend a month in the Blackhawk because nothing I see here tells me they are experienced. Had I been flight lead, I would have picked a suitable landing site not too far from the trees so I had some sort of visual reference. I would have instructed chalk two to orbit until I radioed that I was safely down. Now if the snow cloud built like I saw in the pic, chances are good that I would have climbed straight out and circled around to do it all again. I'd give it two good trys and if I couldn't get in, then I simply would not land there.
Assuming I did get down, I'd have to think about the recent snow landing experience of the pilots in chalk-2. If I thought they were strong I'd have them attempt to come in. Same same, give them two chances, then wave them off too.
Now I have to wonder why they were landing to a ski resort slope in the first place? A real mission or just showing off for their girls, families or just plain showing off? Show-boating has caused the majority of peacetime accidents. Don't believe me, goggle air show accidents and you'll read about some doozies.
In any event, never good to lose and aircraft/crewman. Just a downer.
I trained my guys hard. For example, over in Afghanistan we would go out 2-3x a week doing NVG desert brown out landings into gigantic dust clouds and also have them land to mountain top ridges at night using NVG. Probably why half my hair has fallen out and the rest is white...BUT, I am still here, and didn't crash when they weren't shooting at me!
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I read the chapter in your book last eve about your test flight ( I think test flight is what ya called it) where you had the pilot go through a number of planned errors and the two motors ran away on the barley flying machine. The hard landing after spinning around and around down the runway.
The reason Don has such grey hair lol
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I read the chapter in your book last eve about your test flight ( I think test flight is what ya called it) where you had the pilot go through a number of planned errors and the two motors ran away on the barley flying machine. The hard landing after spinning around and around down the runway.
The reason Don has such grey hair lol
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That was a check ride. I was giving that pilot his annual flight evaluation. It was the very end of the flight. He was on final to a runway terminating from an instrument approach when all hades broke lose. That was "Wild Ride" right?
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I know this is not a hook video, but I figured this would give Dave some idea of what active duty pilots do and go through.
the hawk you see in the video was piloted by my old brigade commander when she was the battalion commander of 2nd battalion 82 aviation regiment from Fort Bragg. Colonel (Ret) Carey Wagen. during the time of this video, she was the first female aviation task force commander in the army and conducting operations in Afghanistan. the mission that was being conducted in this video was an extraction of special forces from a mountain top (literally). at the conclusion of this mission, she was heavily praised by the SF community for her skill.
correct me if I am wrong don, but very few pilots ever get training and have the stones big enough to actually execute this? let along the ability to control their aircraft on a point with that much updraft coming from multiple angles?
https://youtu.be/APIpPijMy5k
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I know this is not a hook video, but I figured this would give Dave some idea of what active duty pilots do and go through.
the hawk you see in the video was piloted by my old brigade commander when she was the battalion commander of 2nd battalion 82 aviation regiment from Fort Bragg. Colonel (Ret) Carey Wagen. during the time of this video, she was the first female aviation task force commander in the army and conducting operations in Afghanistan. the mission that was being conducted in this video was an extraction of special forces from a mountain top (literally). at the conclusion of this mission, she was heavily praised by the SF community for her skill.
correct me if I am wrong don, but very few pilots ever get training and have the stones big enough to actually execute this? let along the ability to control their aircraft on a point with that much updraft coming from multiple angles?
https://youtu.be/APIpPijMy5k
That's a tricky one to be sure. She did a one wheel landing and had to hold that position for a few minutes. Must not have been a very windy/gusty day.
Peaks and ridgelines make for a lot of turbulence and causes the wind to be all tricky. You can't see all the eddys. One second you have a headwind then fifteen seconds later a quartering tailwind.
It is true to say not all pilots can do that sort of thing. Most could on a good day. But do that at night/NVG in windy conditions and the group of folks that could pull that off gets pretty small. I think most Army pilots were pretty good, just inexperienced. I had like 7,000 hours when I left the Army after 20+ years of flying there and I was one of the high time pilots.
Lather when I was lead pilot for guys in Afghanistan, we all had 10,000-15,000 hours. A very experienced Army pilot during those days had maybe 4,000 hours. Although he was at the very top of his game, he was way down the totem pole from my pilots. So far down that if I hired one, I'd have to start him off in something like a Huey and fly him for a couple years just to get to the point where he would be a decent co-pilot.
Army pilots in combat would get something like 70 hours a month. My guys could get over 200 hours in the same length of time. The Army considers its pilots as general purpose officers. Primary job is to fly but they also have massive extra duties like being the supply officer, POL officer, motor officer and other full time jobs. By contrast the Special Operations community does not practice that nonsense but keeps pilots in the cockpits. That's the reason they can do so much more. Now that I have retired, I think the Army model for raising up pilots is mostly wrong, is antiquated, way-way too safety conscious and is more focused on making everyone infantrymen and seem embarrassed that their officers actually fly. Just my opinion...
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Can you land a helicopter on a slope?
That video looks intense for sure!!
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Can you land a helicopter on a slope?
That video looks intense for sure!!
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You can, but for some helos, not much of one. A Cobra, for example was limited to something like 7 degrees. Something like a Hawk or a hook can take 20 degrees if conditions are right
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https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60630352
Not a
Chinook but not a DOT
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https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60630352
Not a
Chinook but not a DOT
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Part of me is yelling YIPPEE
Another part hates to see men killed
Those guys had mommas/wifes/sons/daughters too
That was a stinger hit I think, although smoky trail may point to Sa-7
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Agreed. I blame the mad man at the helm of Russia
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Back to a couple of pics
The pics of the thing they are unfolding and hooking to the aircraft is called a "Bambi-Bucket." It holds 1710 gallons of water max, but we use vents to keep it at 1500 gallons or 12,000 lbs of the wet stuff. 12K is starting to get heavy for a Chinook, but it can lift nearly three tons more. A really good load is over 17,000 lbs!
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I've seen those used on some of the wild fires around here. That is a bunch of water
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Let's do some more pics:
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^^^^ Btw, max nose down attitude is 30 degrees. I think you can add another 30 to the one above...Brits, always screwin' around!
Jumpers are golden knights. Jumped them a bunch of times myself over at Bragg
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Which country did I just read about that placed a huge order for hooks?
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Which country did I just read about that placed a huge order for hooks?
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Germany is the latest to add them to their Luftwaffe. Borrowing from the US Army mission specific MH-47 of the 160th, they, too, will aerial refuel from their C-160 Transals and have unlimited range.
The hook simply has no competition, none. Other aircraft can lift more, but they need an extra engine or are huge like the CH-53E. I only expect this airframe to continue and will easily serve 100 years or more. First flew in the late 50's, operational in the early 60's!
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some more
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At times I also show pics hinting at the military culture and lifestyle.
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A little art and entertainment for the right-brain types
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It can "Wheelie"
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Roll over and play dead!
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Recently watched 12 Strong on Netflix. Days after 9/11 the guys that went in on horseback! that had so much Chinook footage in it you MUST have known some of them. MIGHT have just been for the movie but they had one over 50K ft??
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Recently watched 12 Strong on Netflix. Days after 9/11 the guys that went in on horseback! that had so much Chinook footage in it you MUST have known some of them. MIGHT have just been for the movie but they had one over 50K ft??
They said they flew it to 25,000. So service ceiling is 20,000 for the airframe based on a pressure differential in the flight boost hydraulics, I recall. The engines will continue to produce some good power, but the blades started getting in trouble, due to a phenomena called "Retreating blade stall"
As far as knowing those guys, yea I probably do know some of them personally, but that has been some years since I flew with them. But that was my old unit, exclusively. And the Hook shots were the actual aircraft in that unit.
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let's look at some more shots of these big ole beauties
I remember the day that mushroom cloud formed. I was on the other side of the runway a little closer to it. I don't think it was "Incoming" but some engineers blowing up a lot of stuff. That's a big one!
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I have other pics of this in this thread somewhere.
Sergeant Deetman was once a young private who crewed for me many times. I think he was a Staff Sergeant, E-6 when I left the Night Stalkers to find my way back into the regular Armee, then on to retirement.
Anyway, old Deetman performed well and was a rapid climber. It wasn't long before he had his own aircraft as a young sergeant with his own private or specialist working for him. Well, Brian could be pretty tough on folks, so I guess one of them decided to vocalize his opinion. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying anything bad about Brian, No, he was a really terrific CH-47 Flight Engineer. But one day someone wrote the now famous "Deetman Sucks" in the "F-U" compartment and of course, everyone noticed during the many preflights that aircraft had over the years. So, the thing spread, literally all over. There were parts and boxes of food delivered to soldiers worldwide with the familiar "Deetman Sucks" stamp. There were "Deetman Sucks" rockets fired at bad guys on a couple of continents and right next to the "Hanoi-Jane Urinal targets, you might find a "Deetman Sucks!"
It turned up in every Night Stalker aircraft and also some Marine and Air force planes.
This is funny because some of the earlier Night Stalker airframes were mothballed since the unit was flying them so hard they were going through Chinooks faster than Dave here goes through Chevy trucks. I guess, long after the man retired, someone pulled one of those aircraft out of storage and dropped the big fuel tanks on its side for some serious maintenance. Right there where no man would ever look, always waiting the repercussions of pissing off one private from long ago can still be seen.
So funny!
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And one more post:
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Even had his own stencil, popular.
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Even had his own stencil, popular.
Wasn't his...
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Got some more:
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Pic number two.
Is that anawhetoc?
That was the island chain where we detonated a bunch of surface nuclear weapons.
That dark blue circle looks like the site of a prior nuclear detonation. It matches the description other Army pilots told me about who flew down there.
Kirk, a great friend of mine said he didn't realize what he was looking at until he climbed up one day and saw a perfect dark circle meaning water deeper than a hundred-150 feet I think he said. He could see it clearly and they later told him it was the site of either the first or a subsequent hydrogen bomb detonation that blew the island into two separate islands.
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Here's a couple more for todays installment:
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A blast from the past and a salute to my brothers from an earlier generation
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Loaded up some more hook pics:
I'm pretty sure that first pic has the hook flying by the site of America's first hydrogen bomb detonation
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Always adding hook pics
Actually did that second one during the Panama invasion/operation. The second or third night insertion on north end of the canal
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Heard they ground them all. Something about non spec orings used for engine rebuilds causing fires.
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Heard they ground them all. Something about non spec orings used for engine rebuilds causing fires.
The Chinese flood the military market with counterfeit parts a few years back. They even had government contract info on the package.
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True, the entire fleet is currently grounded pending repairs, apparently, of every engine out there.
I've been there before. A transmission issue caused the D-model fleet to be grounded for about 6-9 months. But for we special ops guys, although the fleet was grounded, we were the first to get the mini-teardown and inspection to ensure that little widget in the planetary gearset was tucked in all cozy like it was designed to be. Big Armee was a desert for Hook pilots.
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Think they grounded all the UH-1s a few years back over some head wear, few more of them but mostly civi now.
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Think they grounded all the UH-1s a few years back over some head wear, few more of them but mostly civi now.
Not Armee Hueys. We put them out to pasture in the mid 1990's
Funny how ever since then we needed a helicopter about the size of a Huey...
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Think they grounded all the UH-1s a few years back over some head wear, few more of them but mostly civi now.
Not Armee Hueys. We put them out to pasture in the mid 1990's
Funny how ever since then we needed a helicopter about the size of a Huey...
Dont be too quick to say that, as the uh-1's are still used in whitesands
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Think they grounded all the UH-1s a few years back over some head wear, few more of them but mostly civi now.
Not Armee Hueys. We put them out to pasture in the mid 1990's
Funny how ever since then we needed a helicopter about the size of a Huey...
Dont be too quick to say that, as the uh-1's are still used in whitesands
Fleetwide, the UH-1H has been discontinued
THere are still a couple to be found, but there is no flight school, Instructor pilot course or MOS progression that supports that airframe. Some gov't agencies purchased SuperHueys like the ones I flew in Kandahar and Kabul, but as far as a saturation or concentration of Huey airframes, no.
The Army operates all sorts of aircraft that are not really on the books. I bet if I looked hard enough, I could find a US Army B-747 pilot. We fly a ton of different airframes, believe me!
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Think they grounded all the UH-1s a few years back over some head wear, few more of them but mostly civi now.
Not Armee Hueys. We put them out to pasture in the mid 1990's
Funny how ever since then we needed a helicopter about the size of a Huey...
Dont be too quick to say that, as the uh-1's are still used in whitesands
Fleetwide, the UH-1H has been discontinued
THere are still a couple to be found, but there is no flight school, Instructor pilot course or MOS progression that supports that airframe. Some gov't agencies purchased SuperHueys like the ones I flew in Kandahar and Kabul, but as far as a saturation or concentration of Huey airframes, no.
The Army operates all sorts of aircraft that are not really on the books. I bet if I looked hard enough, I could find a US Army B-747 pilot. We fly a ton of different airframes, believe me!
oh i believe you 100%. i was informed last night that WSMR has stopped usage of their uh-1's and have moved everything to the catfish.
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The super Huey is no joke. 130 knots, 11,500 MGWT. If you can close the doors on it, the aircraft can just about lift it. I was flying mine over 12,000 feet in the stan routinely...And they can take a beating!
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A few more
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Merry Christmas, 2022
Sponsored by the best helicopter ever built, proudly serving our nation now for sixty-odd years!
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I was over at the "Innkeeper site and found a ton more...Enjoy
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Mostly from Korea
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The mark in the snow is a load that fell off my cargo hook from 2,600 feet and went completely underground.
The last photo, I am third from the right. Team Spirit 1988 in S. Korea a bunch of college-age protesters tried to block our way. A bunch of us rushed them and they all ran off leaving this banner, which we took and wrapped around our tent.
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Gunnery training and a field exercise
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More from Korea and fairly recent
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River shots are from flying down the Hahn river in the middle of Seoul
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Still Korea, Innkeepers...
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Last from this download from the "InnKeeper" FB page
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Self explanatory
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From another Chinook crewmember's website:
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Some more, same site
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And the list grows longer...
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10 more!
The pic of the 53's and 60's and two hooks at Ar-Ar, Saudi-Arabia is from the opening raid during Desert Storm. Half of my company deployed over there to lead and refuel AH-64's that fired up the Iraqi's radar early warning site, while the other mission was to cover the bombing of Tallil airfield. I did door number 2 while these guys in the pic became famous...
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Chinook people are often referred to as "Hookers."
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The silhouettes painted on the side of the Chinook each represents an aircraft it recovered, and sling-loaded back to a base camp, saving it in Vietnam.
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There are very few aircraft that have served in the service of this country with enought distinction that they have retired some to the boneyard and some are still flying. I'm sure there are more but I can only think of 4 that have been in service for 50+ years. B-52, KC-135, C-130 and the Chinook.
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There are very few aircraft that have served in the service of this country with enought distinction that they have retired some to the boneyard and some are still flying. I'm sure there are more but I can only think of 4 that have been in service for 50+ years. B-52, KC-135, C-130 and the Chinook.
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And all of those are looking at another 30 years of service. Well designed and ahead of their time, all of them.
Oh and let's not forget the venerable Huey! Started in the early 60's and is a strong workhorse, still, in the US Marine Corps.
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Recent exercises, 2nd Infantry Division, Korea
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Same exercise:
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Do they have a sticker for lost loads?
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoqLOKagZq-/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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https://youtu.be/ygg8BdblKt8
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Early Desert Shield pic where yours truly is holding up one side
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Notice "your" pic will not enlarge.
I watch the fluctis channel all the time. Cool stuff but info is way off and they repeat info!
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Notice "your" pic will not enlarge.
I watch the fluctis channel all the time. Cool stuff but info is way off and they repeat info!
It enlarges in my browser...
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Others do, that doesn't even with vpn off.
Does show your best side,,,,,,,,,,,
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Helo casting is an interesting mission to fly. You need to maintain a 10 ft hover while going forward 10 knots. We call it ten and ten. The mission can be flown during daylight hours, or by certain crews at night using NVG. It is a relatively high-risk mission which I have done dozens of times, unfortunately, not without injury. Lakes and rivers are preferred; however, I have helo-casted in both major oceans and once in 20+ ft seas.
Extraction of the waterborne troops with the caving ladder is pretty difficult too. The troops will sometimes have chem lights on their head which we use to guide us over the soldier. The helicopter never stops moving so it is incumbent upon the seal, SF, Ranger, or Recon Marine to grab the ladder as it passes by him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfD0dqjhuhk
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Ouch!
So, I'm guessing the APU exploded.
My hope is that the flight engineer was not standing on the ramp anywhere.
If he was, then he would have a similar appearance.
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Second thought
Not the APU that exploded.
Metal is pushed INWARD from the number 2 engine.
So perhaps it exploded.
And that gash on the side of it is suggestive of a SAM flying into the exhaust nozzle and detonating.
If you look directly downward from the "Mouth" of the gaping hole you can see what looks like a metal ball. That is the oil tank on the APU, a small gas turbine we use to power the aircraft when the main engines are shut down.
It suggests the APU is still there, but since its mounts are blown away, it is just hanging there in the wreckage.
Whatever it is, no one but Boeing will put that thing back to airworthy status again...
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Did some research:
D: Pre-Jan 10, 2019
N/U: US Army/B/3-25th AVN
T: CH-47G Chinook
S: 11-08832
This badly damaged helicopter arrived at RAF Fairford, Gloucestershire, on January 10 on board USAF/437th Airlift Wing C-17A 08-8191. Precise details of its accident are unknown, but it showed extensive damage to the lower area of the rear rotor pylon and the top of the extreme rear fuselage, apparently due to a rotor strike while on the ground in Afghanistan on an unknown date. The Chinook had been deployed to Afghanistan with the 101st Combat Aviation Brigade as part of Task Force No Mercy. It was reportedly due to be transported to the Standard Aero (formerly Vector Aerospace) facility at Fleetlands, Hampshire, for repair, but was still present at Fairford in mid-March.
What I find interesting about this is the fact that this Chinook is reported to be a "G" model, but it is an "F" model. It was first delivered to the Inn Keepers in Camp Humphreys, Korea. (Still in the old hangar I see). The patch on the pylon does not match up with either Korea or the 101st. Further, "G" models are flown only by the 160th SOAR and would have much larger fuel tanks and the landing gear would be in a different location to accommodate the larger tanks. Probably just a bad case of some civilian guessing and not knowing much to begin with...
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Makes sense it was not an in flight issue, whatever happened.
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Makes sense it was not an in flight issue, whatever happened.
Looking at it more, that is about the correct height for a Chinook forward rotor system that is turning...Like the guy behind him did not hit the brakes while ground taxxing! OUCH!
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Well, they probably all walked away.
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Early Desert Shield pic where yours truly is holding up one side
ah the classic chocolate chip BDU's.
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The gray one is interesting.
The Air Force chose the Army's 160th SOAR MH-47E as the replacement of all their MH-53J Pave Low CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) aircraft
The first pic explains half of the USMC's assault helo/airplane things.
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Nice running landing
https://www.facebook.com/justcrewitco/videos/657281749837377
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https://www.facebook.com/justcrewitco/videos/1303691263598853
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Found about a million new ones!
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New (to me) web site, "Just Crew it"
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Good stuff, Chinook culture
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One more posting for today:
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Lets do some more
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OK, so a couple of those in the previous thread were something from the future...
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More cool pics. Like the futuristic drawings.
Not sure if have seen em, but the blimp hanger is burning down in Tustin, the old MCAS, sad.
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More cool pics. Like the futuristic drawings.
Not sure if have seen em, but the blimp hanger is burning down in Tustin, the old MCAS, sad.
It's burning now, as in right now?
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Yes, all over the news. My father worked in those, I played sometimes. Saw my 1st Cobra there.
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https://www.ocregister.com/2023/11/07/former-tustin-air-base-hangars-on-fire/
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Too bad! That's a historical site.
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They were considered the largest wood supported structures in the world once. Guess there was only 1 left, the 2 were awesome to see. Watched many a 53 come in there flaring out about 50 ft off the deck. Base housing was at south end of the base, lived there for years. Father taught there and El Toro.
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OK back to the Chinook pics:
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Sorry to hear about your brothers in the 160th, Don. 5 lost over Cypress. Apparently during a night refueling operation.
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Sorry to hear about your brothers in the 160th, Don. 5 lost over Cypress. Apparently during a night refueling operation.
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They are there for you know what...
All these bloody dam wars!
It's never going to stop until Jesus returns, and brave fools are always going to answer the call
And things like this will always continue to happen.
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We lead off with a photo of the MH-60, the aircraft lost last night.
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A few more:
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What the heck, why stop there, right?
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And you snuck a 53 and 64 in there too.
What was the max passengers you ever carried?
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And you snuck a 53 and 64 in there too.
What was the max passengers you ever carried?
I'm not sure JR. A bunch of times I had an internal tank + 48 Rangers. Once carried around 60-odd Rangers I think. On a hustle where you land and just cube out, might have had more. My unit carried over 100 once, but skinny native-like people, not big Westerners plus some troops.
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Let's do some more excellent hook pics:
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Some moar:
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Dang, couldn't enlarge em!
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The one with the broken wind screen was that from another chopper? Can see how it could have done it to itself.
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The one with the broken wind screen was that from another chopper? Can see how it could have done it to itself.
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British Chinook who flew into a set of wires...And survived!
My unit flew into that monster set of powerlines down near Camp Pendelton hitting the top wire on the tower. People there said the wire stopped the aircraft in mid-air before snapping. Somehow, and only our good Lord knows, that aircraft and crew survived, although we apparently interrupted power to southern California.
That crash is recorded in no records anywhere because back then our unit was super highly classified. I was in the unit at that time and a part of all those crazy goings on, but not on that flight...Luckily!
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Dang, couldn't enlarge em!
Yeah, just noticed that.
Something in the settings must have changed
That's a favorite peeve of mine...How settings seemingly change on their own. One day something works this way, and another day, they work another.
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Recent finds:
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Moreses:
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Time for a few more
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The next several posts all contain these smaller size pics...Sorr-ee.
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Can't wait to get back to larger clickable pics...
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Picked up a few more:
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Some more of the lower quality pics
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Bladestrike? Hope the gunner/observer was someplace else.
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Bladestrike? Hope the gunner/observer was someplace else.
Motar
That is an ancient "B" model from Vietnam that was hit during the evening mortar or rocket attack. Look at the frag pattern on the forward pylon.
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From the Inn Keepers site:
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More from the Inn Keepers:
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Mixed bunch of pics
Last one was B co 3-160, Desert Storm at KKMC
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A few more:
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Ah, let's keep going!
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OK, OK, here's some more ;-)
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Indian Army variant??
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Yea, those were weird^^^^^^
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Crew chief is a Jeep lover?? (supposed to be seven vertical slots!)
SSG (Brian) Deetman has become immortal. Reminiscent of WW2, "Kilroy was here" People who don't even know Deetman (I do) still write those immortal words!
And some more hook humor...
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Some engineers set the maximum bank angle of the Chinook at 60 degrees. and the maximum nose low attitude at 30 degrees. What do they know?
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OK, OK, I'll buy one!
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1082681239643380
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Yea, maybe just a little too low...
https://www.facebook.com/reel/900477671697516
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Yea, maybe just a little too low...
https://www.facebook.com/reel/900477671697516
Well, if no one got hurt, it wasn't to low.
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Yea, maybe just a little too low...
https://www.facebook.com/reel/900477671697516
Well, if no one got hurt, it wasn't to low.
Yea, the way I feel
But
I doubt the Safety Officer and the Commander would share the same belief.
My money says that the pilot in command is having to work pretty hard to keep his wings.
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Someone gave him clearance, Maverik would be proud.
Maybe a good ass chewing but I would not have wanted to be under those blades!
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Someone gave him clearance, Maverik would be proud.
Maybe a good ass chewing but I would not have wanted to be under those blades!
No, me either. And for the record, that is too low and taking unnecessary risk. That rotor blade is 27.5 feet in length. I'd say the blades were passing from 5-10 feet from things and people. Unfortunately, if I had to sit on the FEB board where we can actually remove a pilot's wings, I could not have voted in favor of this guy. Soldiers and our equipment are precious. And we have a finite number of 47's. He showed a blatant disregard for all of that. Either that or he seriously misjudged his aircraft's position.
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I understand, it was close, but cool.
Aren't they building them?
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I understand, it was close, but cool.
Aren't they building them?
Building them? As in is Boeing still building Chinooks? Yes they are. Many armies around the world are purchasing them. Most of the active Chinooks in the US Army were first built in the 60's. They just keep getting rebuilt. Most started as "B" and "C" models. Now we had the "D", the "E", and now the "F". A very special special operations variant, the "G" model is flown only by the US Army's 160th SOAR.
I don't think any other helo on earth provides that much lift per pound of aircraft weight. Eliminating the tail rotor is the secret and the counter-rotating rotor system is torque canceling and that long fuselage tends to fly well in rough air.