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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1000 on: April 30, 2021, 09:35:31 PM »
Left side getting close:
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1001 on: May 02, 2021, 12:26:02 PM »
What do you think about the Fox shocks boss? Thinking of replacing the Bilsteins on my wife's 4Runner with Fox or Icon but get a little lost when trying to decipher the progressive vs digressive stuff.


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1002 on: May 02, 2021, 05:18:11 PM »
I'm reading hearing the FOX are better off road and have a firmer ride on road. Bilsteins are fine off road, but better on road.

I need new rears for the Max, trailer was bouncing all over, but the bilsteins have about 150K on em.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1003 on: May 02, 2021, 10:17:39 PM »
I really like the ride the suburban has, and it does have the fox remote resevoir shocks in the back, straight up Fox monotube up front
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1004 on: May 02, 2021, 10:20:58 PM »
Rear axle install and parts renew/powder-coat and everything else is done

I started out bolting up the wheels with these 1/2" spacers, but after seeing just how little lug nut engagement I had afterward, I tossed them and bolted the wheels on straight up
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1005 on: May 02, 2021, 10:21:57 PM »
Final fit and finish on everything, time to move to the front
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1006 on: May 02, 2021, 10:23:24 PM »
The air bags are pumped up to around 100psi to check for leaks. The suspension will be relaxed some after I get done with the front stuff
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1007 on: May 02, 2021, 10:24:06 PM »
Wheels...final.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1008 on: May 03, 2021, 12:11:01 AM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1009 on: May 03, 2021, 08:36:40 AM »
Good looking work there.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1010 on: May 03, 2021, 11:26:24 AM »
I really like the color of the wheels.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1011 on: May 03, 2021, 06:41:33 PM »
I really like the color of the wheels.
I think they look good by themselves, but against the gray color of the burb...I'm undecided.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1012 on: May 04, 2021, 06:34:33 PM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1013 on: May 04, 2021, 06:37:29 PM »
Wow, he made good time to Utah.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1014 on: May 04, 2021, 09:33:25 PM »
Yea, what am I doing in Utah???
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1015 on: May 07, 2021, 09:27:47 PM »
Front diff removed. Not all that difficult
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1016 on: May 07, 2021, 09:28:23 PM »
Still waiting on a rear driveshaft...
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1017 on: May 07, 2021, 09:29:41 PM »
Newer front 4.56 axle is about to have the top mount removed:
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1018 on: May 07, 2021, 09:30:24 PM »
And here it is installed
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1019 on: May 07, 2021, 09:32:28 PM »
And a couple of shots of the new wheels installed and the thing once again resting on its suspension.

I held off reinstalling that heavy front axle guard. Plan to punch a bunch of lightening holes in it
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1020 on: May 10, 2021, 09:55:28 PM »
Driveshaft is back and fits perfectly.

Prepping the skid/bash plates for PC'ing. I want to drill a bunch of holes into the surface to reduce weight and aid in airflow.

Once that's done, I'm off to Killer Coatings for more of their great work
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1021 on: May 11, 2021, 07:13:03 AM »
Boss, if you would take a suggestion from an old Air Force guy. I would mount the skid plate after you drill and take it for a test drive before you powder coat it. My luck would be that I will put a hole in a perfect place that it would whistle any time I drove it. Not sure if I could hear it after working around jet engines for so many years

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1022 on: May 11, 2021, 12:11:39 PM »
Boss, if you would take a suggestion from an old Air Force guy. I would mount the skid plate after you drill and take it for a test drive before you powder coat it. My luck would be that I will put a hole in a perfect place that it would whistle any time I drove it. Not sure if I could hear it after working around jet engines for so many years

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...Overkill!
I can't hear either. Whistling sounds went away around 2005, female voices later, 2008 ish I'd say, and now wining dogs and babies!

Another note, was just over at the truck stop getting my Chevy washed. There was a strange looking semi in there with a long trailer. On the side: "US Air Force"
It had the standard double set of axles in the back, then another set in the middle, and the tractor had three sets of axles!!!
So right away I was thinking there was an old minuteman or maybe a MX on the inside. But then I thought, it was more likely carrying a wing for a tanker or bomber or something long like that.
I took a pic on my cell phone.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1023 on: May 13, 2021, 10:48:04 AM »
I filled both diffs with some inexpensive gear oil because after a brief break-in, the lube will be changed.

And the vehicle tuning has begun

I will be:
Adjusting the speedo readout for the tire size and gear ratio changes
Adjusting torque management
Changing the percent throttle allowed to be in 4th, O.D.
I think I need to look at fuel enrichment
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Timing
I will tune those off the wide band and actual conditions
I have a dedicated laptop that will have all the tunes I develop, including some modifications I am bound to make based on higher altitude operation that I can use out west, then switch back to the Kentuckee friendly tunes when I return
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1024 on: May 13, 2021, 10:50:07 AM »
Didn't Shawn (GLO) do a great job on that diff cover! What a nice piece to have protecting all that business inside.

I thought it was cool where he repaired the axle stripped splines with JB Weld. I mean, who would have thunk of that?

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1025 on: May 13, 2021, 07:33:03 PM »
Certainly a better finish on this one...

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1026 on: May 16, 2021, 11:38:27 PM »
Back driving the burb once again.

So it's got some new sounds from sitting idle for months, but it is running well.

The 4.56 gears seem about right. That and shedding all those extra pounds made a difference you can feel. It is noticeably quicker to get going from a stop.

The tuning can now start. I'll make small changes, then evaluate, whilst making new tune builds with each change.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1027 on: May 16, 2021, 11:40:51 PM »
Looks good. Maybe the mileage will go up some to.

Any rubbing with the 37s?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1028 on: May 16, 2021, 11:47:26 PM »
Looks good. Maybe the mileage will go up some to.

Any rubbing with the 37s?
Haven't found any yet
Lots on my D-max though...Makes up for not having any yet on this burb
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1029 on: May 18, 2021, 10:15:08 PM »
Like I've said many times. a project is really just about solving problems. Solve enough of them and you get to use what you built

With that in mind, where I was playing whack-a-mole for quite some time fixing a never ending list of things, I think with the gear swap, I turned a corner with this truck. The whole thing is at the point where I am tuning it bit by bit using HP-Tuners, and as I tip toe down that path, the truck is showing me some of its problems.

I have now made somewhere around ten changes to the tune file in the trucks ECM and TCM, and even its BCM. I started with just getting the gear change and tire size in there. Using 4.56 and 37" tire height, I was about 10 MPH off. Then I read where you need to take one inch off the actual tire size, so I did that...second change

Then while studying transmission tuning on line I ran into this brilliant tool called "Blue-Cat-Tuning" which some crafty fella put together a decade or more ago. That tunes the transmission all by itself. You enter some basic values into the thing which is a massive spread sheet, and it produces the modified tables for a bunch of things. You copy and paste those new files over the one in the tune in HP Tuners and load that into the vehicle.
I did that... third change

I noticed it held first gear way too long, so I dropped the shift points a little. I drove it and although it was better, still not right...change 5

I modified the 1-2 shift points and also reduced the shift pressures some to lighten up the extremely hard 1-2 shift I have because of the trans-go kit. That helped some, but still have a ridicously hard 1-2 shift...Change 6

That got me to the highway speed cruise test. It wouldn't shift into over drive until I was really going, and that's when I discovered one of more tires was way-way out of balance. So I lowered the 3-4 shift points and drove it over to the tire shop...change 7.

Those guys pulled all 4 tires and dismounted them. In two of the tires, there was probably well over 10 ounces of beads, and two bead bags, as in the actual bags. They corrected it by vacuuming the tires out and adding fresh 6 oz bags, sans the actual bags. I drove it home on the highway and wow, was I pleased. Set at 37 lbs of air it rode like it was on glass. No joke it was ultra smooth and nice. While at the shop, I discovered brake fluid all over the inside of the RR tire!

More importantly, it was now shifting into OD earlier and wasn't laboring as much. I lowered the 3-4 shift points and upped the 3-4 shift point pressure a small amount, and added in 25% torque reduction for all shifts except for very light throttle. When I got home, I replaced the copper washers, and bled the brakes and topped off. That fixed that issue. Change 8

I drove that over to the hardware store and back on the highway. The engine response is now pretty good, and the transmission is for sure in the ballpark. I was cruising with the semis effortlessly in OD, locked and around 2300 RPM. I was indicating 60 mph where as I believe they were doing 68-70 so I'll have to correct the speedo again.

On the way home I got an oil level low light! So I pulled over and discovered the oil was two quarts low, which I added. I had been smelling the scent of burning oil, so I went straight to the PCV line. It routes from the passenger valve cover to the intake shout of the blower. It was wet with oil on the inside! So I just happened to have an oil catch can, so I fabbed up a mount and bolted all that in.

So, as you can see, bringing this or any project home is simply a matter of solving all the problems that arise.

Left to do:
Wire a solenoid from the AC compressor to the electric fans to turn one on when the ac compressor starts up
Continue to fine tune the transmission
After transmission is sorted, do another dyno test pull to get the engine tune all dialed in
Fix an inop CB radio
Sort out a strange buzzing in the sub woofer/amp
Figure out why the overhead lights stopped working
Begin test pulling the camper to get some numbers and idea how that works

My feeling is that the truck feels plenty powerful enough to pull that camper. The burb is not fast, but it does roll right away from a traffic light and maintain highway speed effortlessly, so I think the combo is looking like it should pull the camper and do so on the upcoming long trip.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1030 on: May 18, 2021, 10:21:35 PM »
Interesting.

I would think heavy or not it should do more than just away from a light.
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« Reply #1031 on: May 18, 2021, 10:36:05 PM »
Interesting.

I would think heavy or not it should do more than just away from a light.
It will disintegrate the rear tires if you give the blower some air, but I don't drive like that. And I like quieter on this one. Although I have the largest/quietest dyno-max made on there, it could use more muffler.
I'll ponder that one, as I do not need another project at the moment.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1032 on: May 19, 2021, 12:11:53 AM »
Is there a tradeoff RPM where the boost is giving more than taking? I think for turbos its like 2-3 psi.

Maybe a resonator would help vs another full muffler?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1033 on: May 19, 2021, 09:17:04 AM »
Well, since we are on the topic, I'll share a conversation I am currently having with Nick Skaats. You may recall Nick showing up here when we supercharged the suburban and did the dynometer work. Nick is fairly leading edge and perhaps a tad bit brilliant in the science of making things go fast. His shop here in northern kentucky is top end, easily the best around. A walk on any given day in there will usually have you walking out with your jaw dragging the floor. There is no end to the far-out stuff going on there.

So I went to him with a concept I had some time ago. It's about powering the suburban and juxtaposing a gasoline based powerplant against a half tilt Duramax alternative. Frankly, I think the duramax alternative would likely be ideal bring both good fuel economy and great torque to the equation. You see I want more adventure out of the burb. I always wanted it to tow a respectable sized camper down hundreds of miles of interstate to some remote location, then change personalities and jump into low range and climb up that hill over there to eventually land me near that mountain stream I spied while flyin' my heli-ca-peter through the hills.

I think diesel because of the low rpm grunt, the great fuel mileage which gets me a lot more time on the trail without limping off to get refueled, and I also want it to cruise effortlessly all day on a cool weekend venture with just me n' da frau. Those things point directly toward the diesel conversion, sure enough. But wait, there's more, and the more is not so good. First just to fit the Allison transmission I need to lift the body 2". Lift a body on a truck already at the upper end of the height spectrum. So the only way I could do that would be to lower the suspension and switch down to 35" tires, since the 37's will not tolerate any less clearance.

Now complicate that with the atmospheric cost of rebuilding anything diesel. Like everything on a diesel is expensive. the injection pump you ask, couple thou to get it right. Oh, the LB7 needs better rods...again a couple thou with the pistons, crank work and block machining. Injectors? Yep, couple thou and even though I'd choose to retain the LB7 inside-valve cover architecture, more monies. Oh the turbo and duct work??? Correct, couple thou. The Allison will set me back a stifling $6,000, then there's the lines, the intercooler, the larger radiator, the this's and that's. The couple thou easily settles in at a couple ten-thousand to get it done right. Oh, forgot to mention the couple thou for the donor truck, and yea the couple thou for a starter, alternator, powder-coating brackets, pulleys, belts, AC, fan and on and on...

Now that right there kicks the door wide open for a gasser. A spendy LS powerplant will easily come in under the cost of the oil burner and not require me to go at the body and wiring harness like a surgeon chasing cancer all over a patient. (Bad analogy, but you git da pic). I proposed to nick a big torque producing gasser as an alternative...One which is supercharged to get a good off throttle response, but also turbo charged to build some really big (+1000 torque) as that spooled up. We have been talking around this for a winter build as a possibility. He is all over the gasser over the diesel just cause he likes gassers. Me: I am on the fence, I want to hear more.

Keeping it all reasonable and not crazy, I am thinking of a boost specific block somewhere from 408"-427" in size. use studs everywhere, good gaskets and some thick deck head, maybe the trick-flow offering. Get someone to build a cam for it and actually spin the blower a bit slower. It is set for 12 psi on 364 cu in, so I am thinking something like 6-8 psi on the 410" motor. Less drag, less heat, mo better. But, have a turbocharger capable of providing a secondary hit finally arriving somewhere around 15-19 psi at the port. That would be achieved by electric waste gates and the whole thing overseen by a new Holley fuel injection which has additional capabilities over the stock system.

The bigger block engine would have a lot more torque just through the larger size, so there's that. Standing on the gas pedal, you'd have that always there and it would be supplemented by the always present-n-ready supercharger. Stay in the throttle a second or two and the not-so-sleepy turbo would start to show up. I think we could easily build 1500 HP/1000 torque and keep it all down in the driveable RPM range and topping around 5.000 to be more truck like.

That all just bolts in, forgoing the need to remove the body, and every single wire and bolt on the thing which adds complexity out the wazoo to the project. The upside is power: good, Cost: Acceptable, complexity: Acceptable, Amount of work: Better than the D-max swap.

So for all those reasons, we are exploring the possibility of a compound boosted gas engine for the suburban.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1034 on: May 19, 2021, 01:08:49 PM »
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1035 on: May 19, 2021, 08:30:13 PM »
So I’ll throw a wrench at ya.








When I’m done with my donor truck.
I’ll have an unmolested LBZ ally combo up for sale...sitting in a 2007 crew...

It is too new for this burb....easily. But hey. They made burbs of this era also.

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« Reply #1036 on: May 19, 2021, 08:46:24 PM »
That would work and you could just raise the hump vs a body lift.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1037 on: May 19, 2021, 11:18:52 PM »
You can also put a 6L85 behind it like the vans have.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1038 on: May 19, 2021, 11:48:35 PM »
You can also put a 6L85 behind it like the vans have.


Then you get the double OD too.
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1039 on: May 20, 2021, 08:58:54 AM »
You can also put a 6L85 behind it like the vans have.
I talked to the 6-speed guys. One of them told me to stay away from the 6-speed even for the built LS motor. The guy I spoke with who sells conversion kits told me to stay away from the 6L series transmissions. He said they are either hit or miss, and he does not know why. Naw, if I go oil burner, then only an ally pretty please
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1040 on: May 20, 2021, 09:06:30 AM »
So, another update:

That last tune update pulled me into the sweet spot zone. The truck is starting to do everything right. Speedo is now pretty close if not nutz on. It cruises like an absolute dream at 70-75. I can high cruise at 80, did that some yesterday. The gas mileage just got a bunch better, I mean a lot better. Staying in 3rd all the time was killing it. I think I am easily better than 10, maybe a bunch better, but too early to start mileage testing.

The biggest take away at this point is that this truck feels like it effortlessly drives now. I notice that even with light throttle, I am always accelerating ahead of normal traffic, and highway cruising is simply a non event. The cruise RPM is now much lower, and I'd say that 65-68 is a sweet spot where I am like 2200-2300 and making a ton (or two) of torque.

After driving it all over yesterday, I devoted hours to it fixing all sorts of things. For the first time I am approaching a point that I could call "Done," and good enough to take off across the country.

Things are looking bright!
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1041 on: May 20, 2021, 09:22:07 AM »
If you recall, I have mentioned that I keep smelling the scent of burning oil. And just a couple days ago, I noted that the truck had lost at least two quarts of oil for some reason, although it does not have one single leak, and there is no trace of oil in the coolant holding tank.

Well, I figured out where it all has been going!

Turns out the super charger has an appetite for a constant flow of the slippery stuff. It has been sucking oil right out of the valve cover, and pressurizing it and feeding it to the cylinders.

I mounted this breather catch can device and drove the truck on maybe a 50 mile loop. Just look how much oil it captured during that one little drive!!!!!
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1042 on: May 20, 2021, 09:23:51 AM »
So after reading a bunch of posts from drivers with similar problems, I took their recommended course of action and simply capped the super charger snout vacuum port off and vented the valve cover to atmosphere.

I'll continue to test to see what happens is anything
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1043 on: May 20, 2021, 09:24:53 AM »
In the spirit of keeping an eye on everything during this beta trial period, I am keeping a hawk-eye on fluid levels:

This is the level after things have cooled off
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1044 on: May 20, 2021, 09:47:15 AM »
Next: I figured out why the AC was not working and fixed that. I simply ran a wire from the ho-tside of the compressor clutch to the fan relays and just like that, when the AC compressor starts, so does a fan, then in ten seconds, the second fan.

Next I upped the fans-on switched temp to 195, up from a performance enhancing 185. I am after efficiency (mileage) over the last ounce of horsepower.

I found a disconnected wire from one of the door speakers, and repaired the overhead lights. I had disconnected one of the power wires for some reason...!

But then I found something I do not like

I was checking the underside after a run. The transfer case seemed really hot. Like, as in, hotter than the transmission!!! The paint was yellowed due to heat, and after cooling I drained and checked the fluid. The drain plug had a lot of fuzz and the fluid was dark brown to black and smelled burned!
So, that case has been apart several times, and I had replaced the pump with the pump rub kit. A transmission split the case some months later to correct a leak and told me it looked brand new inside. And now this...

So I flushed it, then poured in new fluid and closed it up. We'll see...
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1045 on: May 20, 2021, 12:09:58 PM »
I would hope way better than 10, but time will tell.

I hear 5/30 syn is better for these trans.

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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1046 on: May 20, 2021, 12:22:17 PM »
Without evacuating the crankcase positively, I would keep a close eye on seals.  There are some oil separators that do a really good job and drain back to the crank case.

It’s a vicious cycle.  Less crankcase vacuum leads to poor ring seal, leading to blow by, leading to seals, and oil usage....


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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1047 on: May 20, 2021, 09:22:11 PM »
OK, I'll look further into this

But

While driving down to pick up the newly coated camper wheels, something broke. After pulling off the expressway I was smoothly accelerating into traffic under maybe 15% throttle (Read: Light) and something broke in something moving. Either the front or rear axle, the transmission, or the transfer case. No clue although it was sudden then made a grinding sound as I drove 20mph another 200 meters to a parking lot.

It was moving under its own power
I doubt the rear axle would have broken, it's new and Shawn put it together. It was not in 4WD so I doubt the front axle, although as part of the testing earlier in the morning I was shifting into and out of 4WD while driving 10mph to 30mph. The transmission was fine, so I suspect the transfer case. I had it low-boyed over to S&S transmissions to have John look it over.

Not speculating any more until I get some hard information, but I have to say, this is a pretty serious letdown. I really want to be getting more and more confident in the trucks street worthiness, but I have to confess, that meter is pointing in the opposite direction.
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« Reply #1048 on: May 20, 2021, 09:27:25 PM »
I was thinking tcase to. You said it was really hot. Electric shift right?
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Re: Topic: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 4
« Reply #1049 on: May 20, 2021, 09:37:33 PM »
I was thinking tcase to. You said it was really hot. Electric shift right?
yes, electric
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