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There’s no such thing as an accidental discharge. Always negligent.Ken, it was probably the little brother to the hammer, the Beretta 92fIf you know what you are doing you don’t need a safety. My finger is my safety.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
So I don't DOT "Sending off a young man"Way back when I worked and flew on the Air Force Airborne Command Post aircraft (the ones that could launch the nukes if we had to). Every day at the appointed time the tech(me) and some officer (O1-3) because of the 2 man policy around those aircraft. We had to go reset all the codes on the aircraft that sat on alert (ready to take off with in minutes). We one day the O2 was in the aircraft while I was resetting the codes. He was practicing his fast draw and put a hole in the side of the aircraft. This in turn drew the attention of several young men with M16 looking for the person that did the damage. I never saw that O-2 again and we had ro get another aircraft to replace the one with a new hole in it.I sure hope the Army has a better system on which officer gets sidearms.Boss is this how it should be done? LOLSent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
Quote from: oklawall on March 31, 2022, 11:11:24 AMSo I don't DOT "Sending off a young man"Way back when I worked and flew on the Air Force Airborne Command Post aircraft (the ones that could launch the nukes if we had to). Every day at the appointed time the tech(me) and some officer (O1-3) because of the 2 man policy around those aircraft. We had to go reset all the codes on the aircraft that sat on alert (ready to take off with in minutes). We one day the O2 was in the aircraft while I was resetting the codes. He was practicing his fast draw and put a hole in the side of the aircraft. This in turn drew the attention of several young men with M16 looking for the person that did the damage. I never saw that O-2 again and we had ro get another aircraft to replace the one with a new hole in it.I sure hope the Army has a better system on which officer gets sidearms.Boss is this how it should be done? LOLSent from my SM-N975U using TapatalkMy first question is, why was a round chambered? Was that in your SOP?Second thing, when the weapon is hot, why was he handling it at all? I understand the two man rule, I was a Nuke Surety officer twice in my career. If I saw another man draw his pistol, and I didn't know him well, I might well have pulled mine and shot him for fear he was going to compromise the weapons. Bottom line, serious people do not play with weapons, kids/boys/fools and the like do. If I were you in that circumstance I would have warned him not to touch that weapon again. If he did I'd call the duty officer or security people immediately.I carried a pistol most of my career, then for five more years as an operator for other folks. I wouldn't have a round in the chamber until just before pitch pull, going outside of the wire/wall/fence. I never played with the weapon. I pulled it to use it or to practice or top clear it or to load it. No other reasons. It's called discipline. In my old business I only ever saw two negligent discharges. Once we were getting fired upon and a Ranger fired his M4 through the floor of my aircraft. The other time the deputy commander shot a hole through his sleeping bag and into his kit bag in the hangar during operation Just Cause. The sergeant fixed the Ranger, but we were flying directly into a fire fight where PDF guys were trying to get to American families, so I just let it slide. The latter resulted in a bunch of bad Ju-ju for that Major.Professionals do not play around with real firearms, they use them properly.
Quote from: Flyin6 on April 01, 2022, 09:33:24 AMQuote from: oklawall on March 31, 2022, 11:11:24 AMSo I don't DOT "Sending off a young man"Way back when I worked and flew on the Air Force Airborne Command Post aircraft (the ones that could launch the nukes if we had to). Every day at the appointed time the tech(me) and some officer (O1-3) because of the 2 man policy around those aircraft. We had to go reset all the codes on the aircraft that sat on alert (ready to take off with in minutes). We one day the O2 was in the aircraft while I was resetting the codes. He was practicing his fast draw and put a hole in the side of the aircraft. This in turn drew the attention of several young men with M16 looking for the person that did the damage. I never saw that O-2 again and we had ro get another aircraft to replace the one with a new hole in it.I sure hope the Army has a better system on which officer gets sidearms.Boss is this how it should be done? LOLSent from my SM-N975U using TapatalkMy first question is, why was a round chambered? Was that in your SOP?Second thing, when the weapon is hot, why was he handling it at all? I understand the two man rule, I was a Nuke Surety officer twice in my career. If I saw another man draw his pistol, and I didn't know him well, I might well have pulled mine and shot him for fear he was going to compromise the weapons. Bottom line, serious people do not play with weapons, kids/boys/fools and the like do. If I were you in that circumstance I would have warned him not to touch that weapon again. If he did I'd call the duty officer or security people immediately.I carried a pistol most of my career, then for five more years as an operator for other folks. I wouldn't have a round in the chamber until just before pitch pull, going outside of the wire/wall/fence. I never played with the weapon. I pulled it to use it or to practice or top clear it or to load it. No other reasons. It's called discipline. In my old business I only ever saw two negligent discharges. Once we were getting fired upon and a Ranger fired his M4 through the floor of my aircraft. The other time the deputy commander shot a hole through his sleeping bag and into his kit bag in the hangar during operation Just Cause. The sergeant fixed the Ranger, but we were flying directly into a fire fight where PDF guys were trying to get to American families, so I just let it slide. The latter resulted in a bunch of bad Ju-ju for that Major.Professionals do not play around with real firearms, they use them properly.He said 38 wheel gun to be clear. Never thought I'd get to hear stories from someone older than the Boss.