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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2019, 09:15:43 PM »
I second the 100K units, I have been really burnt by the overhauled crap.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2019, 10:21:54 PM »
Found some brand new Denso flex-fuel injectors...spendy, like $440 a set
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2019, 10:24:39 PM »
Oh, and thanks for the Droman steam pipe part numba

A set of four cost $6.95, on the way

Almost done cleaning and reconditioning pieces parts. Taking a gamble on the starter. May be original, but was working fine, so a good cleaning, some paint and I'll bolt it back on.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2019, 10:26:28 PM »
And this guy showed up. Mych beefier, and that was the reason I purchased it, but also will stall a couple hundred RPM higher. It is advertised to stall at 1800-2000 depending on engine torque. Darned thing is really heavy!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #104 on: January 28, 2019, 10:28:05 PM »
Before/After
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #105 on: January 28, 2019, 10:29:56 PM »
So most of the detail painting and coating is complete. Enough to reinstall the engine and start putting all these parts back in one spot
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #106 on: January 28, 2019, 10:32:10 PM »
Oh, and while I have the trans pan off to clean the inside/inspect/replace the filter and fluid, I'll throw in a Trans-Go kit which corrects the known deficiencies of the 4L80E. It also raises line pressure to hold more torque, and quickens the shift somewhat making for less clutch slippage.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #107 on: January 28, 2019, 10:33:06 PM »
And, finally, sourced four of these to help seal up the higher pressure water steam pipe holes
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #108 on: January 28, 2019, 10:34:24 PM »
Inbound on the tires. Be here Wednesday

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #109 on: January 28, 2019, 10:37:12 PM »
Oh, and thanks for the Droman steam pipe part numba

A set of four cost $6.95, on the way

Almost done cleaning and reconditioning pieces parts. Taking a gamble on the starter. May be original, but was working fine, so a good cleaning, some paint and I'll bolt it back on.

Was thinking of doing something cool with the plastic cover to tie the new color scheme altogether.


Starter....

Do you not have an auto electric rebuild shop close by you can have that starter gone thru? Napa can send them out and have them done too but most often there is a little family owned specialty shop that could freshen that unit up for you....
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #110 on: January 28, 2019, 10:50:19 PM »
Don, Bear electrical on Walton Nicholson. I think they do starters, never used them but at least it’s local.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #111 on: January 28, 2019, 11:38:06 PM »
Did we figure out if your T case has the same stupid pump rub issue as duramax?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #112 on: January 29, 2019, 12:18:27 AM »
Don't think the 2002 non Allison has that issue.

Looks like it is a NP246 on the 4L80E.

I need that trans kit for my suburban.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #113 on: January 29, 2019, 09:45:59 AM »
And for the DOT of the day...

I think Don should sign up as a new host for Powernation.  :popcorn:

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #114 on: January 29, 2019, 12:16:27 PM »
Did we figure out if your T case has the same stupid pump rub issue as duramax?


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No, Dave sure haven't
Based on what you guys have all been saying I thought it was a foregone conclusion my case is affected. Anyway, I planned to buy the kit and install to repair (If its bad) or prevent a problem
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #115 on: January 29, 2019, 12:18:41 PM »
Don't think the 2002 non Allison has that issue.

Looks like it is a NP246 on the 4L80E.

I need that trans kit for my suburban.
]That's good news! So what's the consensus?? No fixy? Or tear it apart and start flirtin with oil change prospects??
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #116 on: January 29, 2019, 02:37:41 PM »
Pretty sure the NP246 is half ton JR...?...

edit: So I guess they had 246s auto 4wd in 3/4 ton as well, but also the 263s (like dmax) and 261 manual shifters. Don, best to read the tag on the rear of the case to give us something to go on.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #117 on: January 29, 2019, 05:30:34 PM »
Pretty sure the NP246 is half ton JR...?...

edit: So I guess they had 246s auto 4wd in 3/4 ton as well, but also the 263s (like dmax) and 261 manual shifters. Don, best to read the tag on the rear of the case to give us something to go on.
I think I saw NP246 on the build codes...Let me check

Edit: Build Code NP8: Push button transfer case. Doesn't say which one
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #118 on: January 29, 2019, 05:34:23 PM »
Gunna have to crawl under there!!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #119 on: January 29, 2019, 08:34:08 PM »
Gunna have to crawl under there!!
Not as cold as it is out there right now!

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #120 on: January 29, 2019, 09:56:49 PM »
Gunna have to crawl under there!!
Not as cold as it is out there right now!

Thought your garage was now heated?.....stickpoke
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #121 on: January 30, 2019, 10:11:39 AM »
Pretty sure the NP246 is half ton JR...?...

edit: So I guess they had 246s auto 4wd in 3/4 ton as well, but also the 263s (like dmax) and 261 manual shifters. Don, best to read the tag on the rear of the case to give us something to go on.
I think I saw NP246 on the build codes...Let me check

Edit: Build Code NP8: Push button transfer case. Doesn't say which one

NP246 T-CASE '99-'02 GM E-SHFT, W/4L80E

Sam's build is spot on but here's a professional magazine write up. Granted it's on the 263 but is not much different from the 246. From my information, ALL magnesium rear case halves prior to '06 are affected.

 http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/1210-8l-gm-transfer-case-pump-rub-repair/


YEAR

TRUCK

WEIGHT

MODEL NUMBER


1998-2007 

SILVERADO / SIERRA 

1500, 1500HD, 2500, 2500HD, 3500 

NP246, NP261HD, NP263HD, NP261XHD, NP263XHD 


1998-2003

BLAZER/JIMMY 



NP236 


1999-2005 

ASTRO/SAFARI 



NP136 


1999-2007 

ESCALADE 



NP246, NP149 


2002-2007 

AVALANCHE 

1500, 2500 

NP246, NP261, NP263, NP263HD 


1998-2007 

SUBURBAN/YUKON XL
 TAHOE/YUKON
 

1500, 2500 

NP246

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #122 on: January 30, 2019, 12:18:58 PM »
Gunna have to crawl under there!!
Not as cold as it is out there right now!

Thought your garage was now heated?.....stickpoke
It is if I turn that thing on

But

I think I am at the thermal capacity of the boiler, so if I add heat out there, I'm gonna be taking it away from somewhere else. The boiler is ranging from 128-144F so its kickin' out the B's, T's and U's. But that cold wind is doin' a subtraction problem on my windward walls!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #123 on: January 30, 2019, 12:21:49 PM »
Pretty sure the NP246 is half ton JR...?...

edit: So I guess they had 246s auto 4wd in 3/4 ton as well, but also the 263s (like dmax) and 261 manual shifters. Don, best to read the tag on the rear of the case to give us something to go on.
I think I saw NP246 on the build codes...Let me check

Edit: Build Code NP8: Push button transfer case. Doesn't say which one

NP246 T-CASE '99-'02 GM E-SHFT, W/4L80E

Sam's build is spot on but here's a professional magazine write up. Granted it's on the 263 but is not much different from the 246. From my information, ALL magnesium rear case halves prior to '06 are affected.

 http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/transmission-drivetrain/1210-8l-gm-transfer-case-pump-rub-repair/


YEAR

TRUCK

WEIGHT

MODEL NUMBER


1998-2007 

SILVERADO / SIERRA 

1500, 1500HD, 2500, 2500HD, 3500 

NP246, NP261HD, NP263HD, NP261XHD, NP263XHD 


1998-2003

BLAZER/JIMMY 



NP236 


1999-2005 

ASTRO/SAFARI 



NP136 


1999-2007 

ESCALADE 



NP246, NP149 


2002-2007 

AVALANCHE 

1500, 2500 

NP246, NP261, NP263, NP263HD 


1998-2007 

SUBURBAN/YUKON XL
 TAHOE/YUKON
 

1500, 2500 

NP246


Tate, why wouldn't I just do the fix on mine? Are you saying I should just go ahead and replace my transfer now?
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #124 on: January 30, 2019, 01:02:34 PM »
I think he's sayin yours is one that's still affected by that issue, and if you do fix it here's a link to someone that has a great right-up...?..
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #125 on: January 30, 2019, 02:02:12 PM »
Ding ding ding! get the pump rub kit and do it while you have everything out. you ARE affected by it. if you have any fluid on the outside of the case you probably already have a leak, and it will be evident by the output shaft seal being dry but still have fluid on the case behind it.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #126 on: January 30, 2019, 03:28:23 PM »
Ding ding ding! get the pump rub kit and do it while you have everything out. you ARE affected by it. if you have any fluid on the outside of the case you probably already have a leak, and it will be evident by the output shaft seal being dry but still have fluid on the case behind it.
I never noticed any fluid on the case at all. Some crusty grease substance before pressure washing, but nothing else. I'll do the fix anyway
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #127 on: January 30, 2019, 06:20:40 PM »
2 notes on doing the pump rub don...

1. If i remember correctly.  the bolts holding the xcase to the trans i believe are 15mm, and you will need a short stubby wrench for the very top bolt (if you have pulled it all then nevermind.)

2. The split ring is a pain in the butt..(both tear down and re-assembly). because they do not give you a lot of room to work with, and the split ring sits in a little groove.  Also there is no hole in the split ring to get a hold of it with the pliers.
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« Reply #128 on: January 30, 2019, 08:42:48 PM »
2 notes on doing the pump rub don...

1. If i remember correctly.  the bolts holding the xcase to the trans i believe are 15mm, and you will need a short stubby wrench for the very top bolt (if you have pulled it all then nevermind.)

2. The split ring is a pain in the butt..(both tear down and re-assembly). because they do not give you a lot of room to work with, and the split ring sits in a little groove.  Also there is no hole in the split ring to get a hold of it with the pliers.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #129 on: January 30, 2019, 08:45:01 PM »
Got the tires in

I like them!
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« Reply #130 on: January 30, 2019, 08:47:03 PM »
I decided to use sheet metal screws and screw the tires directly to the rotors to save weight!

Should work.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #131 on: January 30, 2019, 08:55:28 PM »
Good looking tires.
My Generals are in as well, just haven't had time to go get them.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #132 on: January 30, 2019, 08:58:26 PM »
Cool, with that you have a type of bead lock! Now just fill em with foam and go.
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« Reply #133 on: January 30, 2019, 09:02:08 PM »
I decided to use sheet metal screws and screw the tires directly to the rotors to save weight!

Should work.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #134 on: January 30, 2019, 09:10:40 PM »
2 notes on doing the pump rub don...

1. If i remember correctly.  the bolts holding the xcase to the trans i believe are 15mm, and you will need a short stubby wrench for the very top bolt (if you have pulled it all then nevermind.)

2. The split ring is a pain in the butt..(both tear down and re-assembly). because they do not give you a lot of room to work with, and the split ring sits in a little groove.  Also there is no hole in the split ring to get a hold of it with the pliers.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #135 on: January 30, 2019, 09:35:25 PM »
Here is a video on how to do it......i wish i would have had this when i did mine.  The lifting/prying up of the gear was something i did not know of.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7im00Wm3sQ
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« Reply #136 on: January 30, 2019, 09:37:23 PM »
Here is a video on how to do it......i wish i would have had this when i did mine.  The lifting/prying up of the gear was something i did not know of.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7im00Wm3sQ
Just watched it...Simple enough...
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« Reply #137 on: January 30, 2019, 09:55:24 PM »
That looks so easy. Getting it out is the issue.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #138 on: January 30, 2019, 10:16:28 PM »
I think I did a DIY on it.
The split ring there are ‘fancy’ pliers. Read flat wide tips with traction on them.
They’re cheap enough but do help with the pesky ring.

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I got away with it...but was heading for a bigger than bfh and noticed it.

It is dirt simple, other than the pesky top bolt as mentioned. 

Just do it and be done. Easy now while you’re in this far.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #139 on: January 31, 2019, 11:37:58 AM »
I think I did a DIY on it.
The split ring there are ‘fancy’ pliers. Read flat wide tips with traction on them.
They’re cheap enough but do help with the pesky ring.

DONT FORGET THE ABS SENSOR!
 
I got away with it...but was heading for a bigger than bfh and noticed it.

It is dirt simple, other than the pesky top bolt as mentioned. 

Just do it and be done. Easy now while you’re in this far.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #140 on: January 31, 2019, 08:29:30 PM »
Wish Merchant had that video when I did mine -- that screwdriver on the gear trick would have helped a lot. That snapring is a pain. I overstretched mine a little bit, but was able to massage it back to normal.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #141 on: January 31, 2019, 09:17:04 PM »
Wish Merchant had that video when I did mine -- that screwdriver on the gear trick would have helped a lot. That snapring is a pain. I overstretched mine a little bit, but was able to massage it back to normal.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #142 on: February 01, 2019, 07:14:20 PM »
Prepped the wheels to receive the tires. At first I painted the back with the massey Ferguson gray paint, but on subsequent wheels, I did not. On those I will just coat the back with clear when i coat the fronts
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« Reply #143 on: February 01, 2019, 07:16:12 PM »
I wanted to do something slightly different to the wheel to be a tad bit different, so I test sprayed the center of one wheel with a few coats of metallic graphite color enamel
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« Reply #144 on: February 01, 2019, 07:17:56 PM »
So, I liked that well enough. It picks up on the metallic of the stock paint which I will keep on this truck, yet still gets me a bit of retro look. Good enough, on to bigger things.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #145 on: February 01, 2019, 07:39:12 PM »
Can we see a tape line picture


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #146 on: February 01, 2019, 07:59:11 PM »
Like it Don.  Young at heart.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #147 on: February 01, 2019, 08:23:32 PM »
Wheels look good chief!
Tires as well. But they’re a lot of tire. Hope they fit for you.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #148 on: February 01, 2019, 10:06:10 PM »
Wheels look good chief!
Tires as well. But they’re a lot of tire. Hope they fit for you.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 2
« Reply #149 on: February 01, 2019, 10:06:50 PM »
Can we see a tape line picture


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