REAL MAN TRUCKWORKS & SURVIVAL
SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST => Classifieds => Topic started by: stlaser on February 02, 2019, 10:43:51 PM
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472’s need not apply, just what it states looking for a complete free spinning 500 from a 68-76 caddy. Closer to Denver the better but can and will pay for shipping.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/building-a-cadillac-500-from-the-junkyard/amp/
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Almost put one of those in my '73 GMC. Tossed the seized 500 in the scrap yard and went with a 400 Pontiac instead.
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Almost put one of those in my '73 GMC. Tossed the seized 500 in the scrap yard and went with a 400 Pontiac instead.
Well I found one in Columbus NE.......
Over in Nate & Norms stomping grounds I think? Buddy of mine had a 400 Pontiac in his M715 so think I'll pass on that. Was seriously considering an LS and although I like the idea of it and the weight it's like an opinion, everybody has one. I considered a 12v up until I decided it was way too heavy for my liking and had been done quite a bit. I tend to like unique builds and a stroked 541 that weighs in at around a SB Chevy would be pretty unique!
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Just did a quick check, but came up empty handed. I think I can find one though. Hey, Shawn, have you considered the 8.1 Chevy? 496 cu in and lots of parts.
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Found it
https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/pts/d/sunman-500-cadillac-engine/6804511728.html
Sunman Indiana
Want me to get it for you?
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Just did a quick check, but came up empty handed. I think I can find one though. Hey, Shawn, have you considered the 8.1 Chevy? 496 cu in and lots of parts.
I did and it is an option but would be a couple hundred more in weight than the caddy
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Found it
https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/pts/d/sunman-500-cadillac-engine/6804511728.html
Sunman Indiana
Want me to get it for you?
Apparently you need to take the whole car? I have a great vendor in Sunman, IN. lets hang tight for the moment and maybe I can square away this one in NE. I appreciate the offer.
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OK, let me know
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In case anyone is wondering why I’m looking at going this route for an engine this is a great read.
https://www.cad500parts.com/catalog/page6.htm
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You pay my fuel and put me up for the night and ill transport for you?
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Cool. Those suckers put down some torque, for sure. That's why I was going down that path, but the 400 my old boss sold me was a 71 firebird engine...365hp before we worked it over. Wore it out and got a 455 to build but still haven't. Ended up sticking another 400 in it that I built for a 68 Tempest... now I want to put a dmax in the poor mans goat...some day.
And the 73 will still roast the tires off with that small big block.
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You pay my fuel and put me up for the night and ill transport for you?
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Thanks Nate, trying to get ahold of this guy may run over next weekend.
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Cool. Those suckers put down some torque, for sure. That's why I was going down that path, but the 400 my old boss sold me was a 71 firebird engine...365hp before we worked it over. Wore it out and got a 455 to build but still haven't. Ended up sticking another 400 in it that I built for a 68 Tempest... now I want to put a dmax in the poor mans goat...some day.
And the 73 will still roast the tires off with that small big block.
Dmax I the 73 would be cool :likebutton:
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Shawn, this is an intriguing idea you have. I never looked at the Caddy engine. THought it weighed in like a 6BT. I think you are on to something here. Stock build, freshened up making 500 ft lbs, lightly built another 100 and pushed making a mind numbing 800HP
So, I talked to an engine builder today over in eastern OH. Smart guy, although diesel. He likes that motor and knew about the high nickel blocks and the dead reliability of the thing...
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Those 500s are monsters and lightweight.
Just saw the donner in the superbowl halftime!!
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Shawn, this is an intriguing idea you have. I never looked at the Caddy engine. THought it weighed in like a 6BT. I think you are on to something here. Stock build, freshened up making 500 ft lbs, lightly built another 100 and pushed making a mind numbing 800HP
So, I talked to an engine builder today over in eastern OH. Smart guy, although diesel. He likes that motor and knew about the high nickel blocks and the dead reliability of the thing...
Reliability is way up there too on a slightly built motor. Easy to add fuel injection with sniper or similar setups. Hei distributors available for them so one wire hookup too
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That thing is begging for a Square body Suburban to shove around!
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That thing is begging for a Square body Suburban to shove around!
Thinking old heavy military Jeep.... :wink:
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I know where 2 1977 caddies are sitting in a field. Want me to inquire?
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I know where 2 1977 caddies are sitting in a field. Want me to inquire?
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If they are in fact 1977 then no. Only made them from 68-76
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I am 99.9 positive they are 77. Brother-in-law has a collection of them.
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That thing is begging for a Square body Suburban to shove around!
Thinking old heavy military Jeep.... :wink:
Lighter than a burb
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I am 99.9 positive they are 77. Brother-in-law has a collection of them.
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If he’s your BIL by all means hit him up. My guess they maybe the 472’s if they are 77’s
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That thing is begging for a Square body Suburban to shove around!
Thinking old heavy military Jeep.... :wink:
Lighter than a burb
Might not be when I get done with the Jeep.... :wink:
Technically and I just looked it up the k20 was 100# heavier than the m715 if the m715 did not come optioned with that 500# winch....
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Return message says they had 425(?) and both got sold last summer. Sorry
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Thanks for asking, good friend of mine has a 429 he told me today. I’ve found two, one is near Norm & Nate but guy has yet to reply. I’d like to go see that one but there is another down south near Albuquerque too I found. Have a couple other closer leads so will check those out in the morning.
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Doubt your looking this far south, but if there’s something you stumble on and need eyes I’ll go look, and try to turn the crank. I’d imagine you’ll find one sooner than I go to the junk yard again but I’ll check next time I’m down there.
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Doubt your looking this far south, but if there’s something you stumble on and need eyes I’ll go look, and try to turn the crank. I’d imagine you’ll find one sooner than I go to the junk yard again but I’ll check next time I’m down there.
Thanks, what part of az again?
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https://neworleans.craigslist.org/ctd/d/taylor-1955-chevy-210-2dr-wagon/6797413881.html
This guy has some cool stuff. No caddy motor but some neat stuff
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https://neworleans.craigslist.org/ctd/d/taylor-1955-chevy-210-2dr-wagon/6797413881.html
This guy has some cool stuff. No caddy motor but some neat stuff
If I had the extra money and real estate that coe wrecker would be mine!
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This guy may be your twin. 500 hes thinking of putting in a m37
https://neworleans.craigslist.org/pts/d/raceland-older-engines/6791949152.html
I like the 52 COE the other guy had
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This guy may be your twin. 500 hes thinking of putting in a m37
https://neworleans.craigslist.org/pts/d/raceland-older-engines/6791949152.html
I like the 52 COE the other guy had
Not sure about twin but smart guy.... :likebutton:
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Doubt your looking this far south, but if there’s something you stumble on and need eyes I’ll go look, and try to turn the crank. I’d imagine you’ll find one sooner than I go to the junk yard again but I’ll check next time I’m down there.
Thanks, what part of az again?
Sierra Vista is the closest real town. But I’m an hour from Tucson so there’s another large area for ya. Albuquerque is 6 hours from me, which is half way to Denver I believe, could meet you there with one if you found one down here.
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Doubt your looking this far south, but if there’s something you stumble on and need eyes I’ll go look, and try to turn the crank. I’d imagine you’ll find one sooner than I go to the junk yard again but I’ll check next time I’m down there.
Thanks, what part of az again?
Sierra Vista is the closest real town. But I’m an hour from Tucson so there’s another large area for ya. Albuquerque is 6 hours from me, which is half way to Denver I believe, could meet you there with one if you found one down here.
Well, I found one in tombstone but it comes with two transmissions I have no use for & looking at his asking price he’s fairly proud of it..... :rolleyes:
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Doubt your looking this far south, but if there’s something you stumble on and need eyes I’ll go look, and try to turn the crank. I’d imagine you’ll find one sooner than I go to the junk yard again but I’ll check next time I’m down there.
Thanks, what part of az again?
Sierra Vista is the closest real town. But I’m an hour from Tucson so there’s another large area for ya. Albuquerque is 6 hours from me, which is half way to Denver I believe, could meet you there with one if you found one down here.
Well, I found one in tombstone but it comes with two transmissions I have no use for & looking at his asking price he’s fairly proud of it..... :rolleyes:
That’s just down the street from the house. I saw a rat rod build in cottonwood, north of of Phoenix. He put the 500 in it, wanted 3500 for the build. What are the 500s worth? I imagine there are lots of folks who know what it is and think that it’s made of gold and ask like prices. But it’s not like an overly popular engine so they can’t be worth that much.
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$400-$600 I think
Guys is on cl stated he was firm on price, granted he had two trans he wanted gone with it but I have no use for them. I can adapt a newer gm od auto to it easily enough.
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You would prefer a 700r to a T400 on something with that much torque?
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You would prefer a 700r to a T400 on something with that much torque?
Thinking 4L80
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$400-$600 I think
Guys is on cl stated he was firm on price, granted he had two trans he wanted gone with it but I have no use for them. I can adapt a newer gm od auto to it easily enough.
so the guy wants 2 trans gone with the engine, is he asking that far out there for that to happen?
whats the worst that could happen, have them both rebuilt and sell them for what you have in them?
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I’ll find an engine for $600 or less w/o the extra baggage. Recall again real estate is a premium here and those trans are not in high demand
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You would prefer a 700r to a T400 on something with that much torque?
Thinking 4L80
Good choice
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Oh, didn't think you wanted electronic.
Might as well go with a 6.0 .
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Oh, didn't think you wanted electronic.
Might as well go with a 6.0 .
You mean 6l80e I’m assuming?
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I’ll find an engine for $600 or less w/o the extra baggage. Recall again real estate is a premium here and those trans are not in high demand
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I meant a 6.0 engine.
Wait, are you talking 'bout a 4l80 without the e? ...a 6 speed?
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Ken, I’m talking transmission. Got the motor figured out just need to find one. Ls swaps are like opinions and I’m not enthusiastic about doing another...
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The 1991 had a stand alone PCM for the trans, only year. Mine works great in the 85 burb, not sure of the PCM though. What PCM you looking at?
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The 1991 had a stand alone PCM for the trans, only year. Mine works great in the 85 burb, not sure of the PCM though. What PCM you looking at?
TCI, probably trans and controller....
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I know you're talking trans. I said if you're going to use an electronic trans, you might as well use a 6.0 engine...sarcastically.
second question is which 80 series, a 4 speed (older electronic) or the newer 6 speed.
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I know you're talking trans. I said if you're going to use an electronic trans, you might as well use a 6.0 engine...sarcastically.
second question is which 80 series, a 4 speed (older electronic) or the newer 6 speed.
Should have figured you would be giving me crap....
Honestly, don’t know haven’t researched it that far. You have a preference (scratch that) I know you have an opinion so spit it out.
Also think I may have located a motor, 1/4 mile from shop (no joke) salvage yard I’ve been meaning to stop at responded to an email today (while they were closed, open sat closed mondays) anyhow owner said we was 90% sure he had one but would confirm with yard boss in am. Next question will be what he wants for it. Found another 6 hours south in Albuquerque for 5 bills too. But i like the commute across the street!
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I was being stupid...you said "4l80"...4 speed, electronic (read:stand alone computer) and the newer ones are 6l80...6 speeds.
Pretty sure it might be cheaper to have a fully electronic system (fuel injected) to run one of those trannies because the GM PCMs also run the trans.
The cheapest stand alone trans controllers on Summit start at 5 bills.
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Luckily I have time to figure it out, last I knew they were still working on sorting out the title work...
Maybe I’ll just run an nv4500 to that 203 low range box....
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Across the street is nice, maybe the other as a backup for a rainy day,,,,,,,,,,,,
With all the 6L80Es being run out there, you would figure a cheaper controller would be available for it.
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Jr, I am considering buying a back up. Supposedly the one in Norm and Nate’s back yard is being sold weds. If not that guy will let me know. He only wants 4 bills so price is right and I’d like to stop by Norms and check out the truck in person anyhow so maybe that will come thru, we’ll see. If not I’ll just keep my eyes open for a spare....
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Well salvage yard around corner has one, unfortunately it’s seized tighter than an Alabama tick.....
But for $250 I’m considering buying it and trying to strip it down. Any thoughts on that?
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So pardon the ignorance. Seized only means the rotating assembly won’t turn right? That could be lots of reasons for that. Rings, water. Crankshaft broke, you know. $250 doesn’t seem like a bad gamble to loose if it’s unrepairable. ?
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So pardon the ignorance. Seized only means the rotating assembly won’t turn right? That could be lots of reasons for that. Rings, water. Crankshaft broke, you know. $250 doesn’t seem like a bad gamble to loose if it’s unrepairable. ?
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Correct Dave, numerous possible reasons it could be bound up. The down side is it’s a $250 gamble really
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Offer $150
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Offer $150
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Funny you said that, I was driving home today and thought I may just do that next week. Couple guys in there 60’s or 70’s run the place...
I am scheduled to pick the one up near Nate and Norm on Sunday for 4 bills. Supposedly it ran a couple years ago and it spins free.
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You would prefer a 700r to a T400 on something with that much torque?
Thinking 4L80
Def, a 4L80!
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^^^^ :likebutton:^^^^
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Update:
Well guy near Norm and Nate has discovered (with my help) he is selling a 472 not a 500. So there’s that but if anyone needs a 472 caddy it can be had for a couple bills and those 472’s were no slouch either....
Have not strolled over to junk yard yet, high of mid teens yesterday and mid 20’s today is not my preference for strolling thru junk yards....
Did have another guy call me, name of Glen who lives an hour SE of me. Has 6 caddy big blocks and believes at least a couple are 500’s. Was a little hesitant to part with them but called me.... :huh: after some discussion and me offering to help him identify all 6 on what they actually were and rough year he seems to be ready to sell at least one. He agreed he does not like the cold either so we will wait until temps get back to 50’s or so.
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Let me know what your more local options provide. I also may want to mention bolt patterns on the bell-housing vs trans availability=P \
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Strike 2 or 3 maybe, 2nd junk yard across street had a 500 but motor was locked up tight...
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Strike 2 or 3 maybe, 2nd junk yard across street had a 500 but motor was locked up tight...
Doesn't mean the engine can't be rebuilt. If it has been in the yard a long time exposed to the elements it could be locked up just because. And it is only across the street, make a deal with the guy it could turn into a good place for parts.
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Give them a Hondo and drag it home. The heads alone are worth that.
...or beat the pistons out with a sledge hammer and get to rebuilding!!
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(http://i.imgur.com/vaS5sGe.jpg)
Going to look at this tomorrow, running and driving with 94k on the clock. We’ll see if I can get him
down a little. Scrap yard guy will give me 5 bills for it w/o motor. May tell him 4 and I want locked up 500.....
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(http://i.imgur.com/vaS5sGe.jpg)
Going to look at this tomorrow, running and driving with 94k on the clock. We’ll see if I can get him
down a little. Scrap yard guy will give me 5 bills for it w/o motor. May tell him 4 and I want locked up 500.....
I say keep it in the car and pimp out your new ride. :)
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Smoothest ride I have been in. The inside of that car makes dons burb look small lol
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Shawn that thing is begging for a DMax swap...
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Shawn that thing is begging for a DMax swap...
It’s big so it’s definitely a Texas ride, if I get it I’ll send it your way Charles!
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Anybody ever lift that thing? Add a snorkel? :wink:
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Square C? I like this idea.
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(http://i.imgur.com/vaS5sGe.jpg)
Going to look at this tomorrow, running and driving with 94k on the clock. We’ll see if I can get him
down a little. Scrap yard guy will give me 5 bills for it w/o motor. May tell him 4 and I want locked up 500.....
if it were me and I have been down this road too many times to count. I would never buy a motor that dose not spin! try not to get in the "must have it now itius" unless you are trying to accumulate parts for the 500ci. figure the crank at a min is not in the best shape, if it was a head gasket it might of wiped out a cylinder, it could of thrown a rod, dropped a valve and still take out the block. Im guessing your trying not to turn your new shop into a salvage yard. OR maybe just water got down in the engine and it rusted the assembly, hard to tell until you get it apart.
The FDW caddys have some valuable parts notably the turbo 400 transaxle which is why the junk man supposedly offered 500bills I would imagine
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Correct, no real estate for a junk yard.
I did think about saving that turbo 400 transaxle and it was supposedly recently refreshed and new bell housing. Putting eyes on it this afternoon. Being front wheel drive it has correct oil pen for a truck build too.
I do have a couple other leads. One guy supposedly has several “500’s” in his shop but he hasn’t verified any of them to my knowledge. Then another one in Albuquerque but that’s 6 hours. I have time so there’s that too and I’m technically not in a hurry but would like this part of jigsaw squared away.
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Just sitting for 10-20 years just ad a little trans fluid to the cylinder and check in a few days. Beat the piston out and that hard ring may gouge the wall pretty bad.
I would think 20 or for just looking is fine, just wait until it warms up for working!
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I passed on the 73 eldorado today, he didn’t want to come to my terms yet. The other thing is I’m busy in shop currently and don’t need a vehicle in the way to part out. Have to go back next week as mom is having heart procedure so if he still has it when I get back maybe he’ll be more apt to take my offer....
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Hope your mom is ok after the surgery. It can take a lot out of the older person but they usually bounce back.
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Hope your mom is ok after the surgery. It can take a lot out of the older person but they usually bounce back.
Thanks Bob, at the moment I plan to be there for a few days after. However, I did purchase the insurance on the plane tickets so.....
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Shawn, dagonnit, you have me now wanting to buy up some 500 caddys.
I never looked into this great powerplant until you started all this fuss. I think I'll go out and score a few. At least you know where you can find a spare then.
Would be a great engine for a restored square body...
Dagonnit..........!!!!......
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I passed on the 73 eldorado today, he didn’t want to come to my terms yet. The other thing is I’m busy in shop currently and don’t need a vehicle in the way to part out. Have to go back next week as mom is having heart procedure so if he still has it when I get back maybe he’ll be more apt to take my offer....
Shawn post it up about when she is having that done so we all can pray for her pretty please
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Are the girls out of school?? Denver teacher's strike affecting you guys?
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Shawn, dagonnit, you have me now wanting to buy up some 500 caddys.
I never looked into this great powerplant until you started all this fuss. I think I'll go out and score a few. At least you know where you can find a spare then.
Would be a great engine for a restored square body...
Dagonnit..........!!!!......
I concur
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I passed on the 73 eldorado today, he didn’t want to come to my terms yet. The other thing is I’m busy in shop currently and don’t need a vehicle in the way to part out. Have to go back next week as mom is having heart procedure so if he still has it when I get back maybe he’ll be more apt to take my offer....
Shawn post it up about when she is having that done so we all can pray for her pretty please
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Are the girls out of school?? Denver teacher's strike affecting you guys?
Will do and no they have school, we're still far enough of a northern suburb to not be affected......
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S- Give me the years of caddy engines I need to be looking for PP?
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S- Give me the years of caddy engines I need to be looking for PP?
68-76 preferably front wheel drive models as they have rear sump. Be very careful a lot of sellers with 472’s believe they have 500’s
For your reading enjoyment https://www.cad500parts.com/catalog/page2.htm
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S- Give me the years of caddy engines I need to be looking for PP?
68-76 preferably front wheel drive models as they have rear sump. Be very careful a lot of sellers with 472’s believe they have 500’s
For your reading enjoyment https://www.cad500parts.com/catalog/page2.htm
Sent you a few listings from FB Marketplace this very morn...
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Hmmm....maybe a replacement for the 305 in the K5. :)
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So guy with 6 of them has changed his tune. Thought of some cash in his pocket must be motivating him. He just emailed me saying he has already pulled one pan and confirmed that it is in fact a 500 and is checking another. Prior I had to offer to verify all six of them for him.... scheduled to drop down there weds and hopefully buy one or two....
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Can the jeep handle a trailer with that much weight.... :evil:
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Can the jeep handle a trailer with that much weight.... :evil:
Probably not, will use the 4Runner.....
In all reality the 5.38 gearing helps in the jk though!
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So guy with 6 of them has changed his tune. Thought of some cash in his pocket must be motivating him. He just emailed me saying he has already pulled one pan and confirmed that it is in fact a 500 and is checking another. Prior I had to offer to verify all six of them for him.... scheduled to drop down there weds and hopefully buy one or two....
:likebutton: cash talks!
Sure the jeep can, well his daughters can,,,,,,
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So guy with 6 of them has changed his tune. Thought of some cash in his pocket must be motivating him. He just emailed me saying he has already pulled one pan and confirmed that it is in fact a 500 and is checking another. Prior I had to offer to verify all six of them for him.... scheduled to drop down there weds and hopefully buy one or two....
:likebutton: cash talks!
Sure the jeep can, well his daughters can,,,,,,
I never considered that JR...... It does in fact have a hitch on it! :tongue:
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Towing an aircraft carrier with a john boat. This is what I picture.
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Towing an aircraft carrier with a john boat. This is what I picture.
I’d agree with that little 4 cyl however, I used to pull quite a bit of stuff around with my rubicon with 4.0l
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Where did that picture of Ken and a horse trailer go? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190212/94453886728099e3adba8f48937a1335.jpg)
Never fear. I found if
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Hmmm....maybe a replacement for the 305 in the K5. :)
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I concur!
For the last vehicle I think I'll seriously build other than my car (Buick GNX, BB Chevelle, 69 or 70 Z28, Buick GSX, Impala SS, Plymouth GTX or Dodge Super Bee) is a single cab, long box square Chevy. Now that Shawn illuminated this cool motor, I'll build one of those and slide a 4L80 behind it and drive that up to the pearly gates, You boneheads stand below me on that great day, and I'll toss the keys over my shoulder and not look back. Take care of it and pass it on when you're done with it.
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Can the jeep handle a trailer with that much weight.... :evil:
OOOH, now ya dunnit!
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Purchased two today, closing thread and starting build here http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=3899.0
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Maybe some of us still want to post here? ever think about that? Huh?
...selfish if you ask me.