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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #750 on: May 18, 2016, 07:35:33 AM »
GET-R-DUN![/b]

You are soooo close Don.  I know you've never failed at anything you've put your mind to and completing that uncompleted task will let you sleep better at night...
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #751 on: May 18, 2016, 10:05:39 AM »
If you want to be 100000% certain, ya have to dead head head the lift pump. We've eliminated "bad supply" and "too much return flow". We haven't eliminated fuel free flowing through the injection pump. If you dead head the lift pump, it will give you a cut and dry answer. Even just cranking it over (not running) will give you actual lift pressure.


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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #752 on: May 18, 2016, 03:30:23 PM »
Now the next test: With the truck idling, slowly pinch off the return line coming out of the injection pump while watching the gauge. If the pressure stays the same, it's the lift pump. If it climbs, the problem is in the injection pump....takes 2 seconds to find out.
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Last night I pinched off the wrong line. I pinched off the return line coming off the injectors.
I thought I might have done something wrong so I started thinking about it
I remembered the pressure line routed back to the tank...
Yea...
So now the engine won't start, like as it won't even sputter a little bit. I think with the fuel pressure going so low, there is no chance.
So, as a result, is we still don't know what is going on with this fuel supply problem.
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #753 on: May 18, 2016, 03:41:17 PM »
Update:

I pinched off the fuel supply lines to the injection pump.

I was seeing zero pressure. Now I wonder if that was due to the fact that there is no fuel in the pump or the pump has completely failed...

Next check: Pull the fuel lines to see if there is indeed fuel in them
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #754 on: May 18, 2016, 04:12:01 PM »
While you replace the stock lift pump?
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #755 on: May 18, 2016, 04:19:23 PM »
Update:

I pinched off the fuel supply lines to the injection pump.

I was seeing zero pressure. Now I wonder if that was due to the fact that there is no fuel in the pump or the pump has completely failed...

Next check: Pull the fuel lines to see if there is indeed fuel in them

Wow, yeah that's pretty definitive, unless the fuel drained back into the bucket over night...in which case it shouldn't, which means the check valve in the lift pump is bad, which means it ultimately needs a lift pump....just hope that's all it needs.
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #756 on: May 18, 2016, 04:50:24 PM »
At the moment I have just pulled the overflow valve apart. It looks normal...

I found a cool way to modify it to produce 40-45psi pressure. I think I'll do that and go buy a new lift pump.

I just checked out the overflow valve and I just noticed the check ball in it is all scarred up on one side. It may not be totally "Round" at a microscopic level. I think I'll pick up a new one of those as well!
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #757 on: May 18, 2016, 04:52:17 PM »
OK, checked O'Riley auto parts. They wanted $146 for a pump!

Crazy

So I just ordered one from Cummins Performance Parts for $70. They sell the Carter pump.

I also picked up an adjustable overflow valve
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #758 on: May 18, 2016, 09:37:02 PM »
Hope that works out and you get er up and running soon!


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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #759 on: May 18, 2016, 10:11:03 PM »
Where's that popcorn emoji?   Ken, I love you too!
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #760 on: May 19, 2016, 01:42:50 AM »
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #761 on: May 19, 2016, 11:28:41 AM »
will this one work for you RN?
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #762 on: May 19, 2016, 09:14:10 PM »
eyy yo big D.. where's the burn out vid??

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« Reply #763 on: May 19, 2016, 09:25:54 PM »
eyy yo big D.. where's the burn out vid??


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« Reply #764 on: May 19, 2016, 09:39:24 PM »
I stay away from them typically, you see I have this twitch in my shoulder & every time I get near one of those idiots my shoulder keeps wanting to swing my arm in a rapid motion towards their nose.......
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« Reply #765 on: May 19, 2016, 09:43:11 PM »
eyy yo big D.. where's the burn out vid??

He did that already -- it was the cloud of white smoke pouring out of the garage now on a couple of occasions ;)
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« Reply #766 on: May 19, 2016, 09:58:10 PM »
eyy yo big D.. where's the burn out vid??

He did that already -- it was the cloud of white smoke pouring out of the garage now on a couple of occasions ;)

burn out.. not flame out  ;D hahah

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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #767 on: May 20, 2016, 12:13:32 AM »
Come on guys he is trying. I mean he did finally try the bucket fuel tank after several months. At least it looks like the timing is OK, someone did mention that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #768 on: May 20, 2016, 06:44:34 AM »
On a serious note- was it ever determined whether the pumps push rod was long enough based upon the use of some type of spacer involved?
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« Reply #769 on: May 20, 2016, 10:50:03 AM »
Curious about that too? High end pricey pump, was the spacer needed or a longer rod?
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« Reply #770 on: May 20, 2016, 11:03:26 AM »
On a serious note- was it ever determined whether the pumps push rod was long enough based upon the use of some type of spacer involved?
Yea, Norm answered that one. The spacer is required for the B series engines.

I read quite a bit (Too much??) about that. The pump pushrod rides directly on the cam lobe. The cam lobe has the same amount of lift in all the engines, that being .250".

The pump, "Pumps" on the relax or extension stroke, not the push stroke.

Now what I don't like is that I think the pump was in fact working. It pulsed enough to shake the fuel lines upstream. I later bench tested it and I'd push in the pushrod, and when I released it I get rewarded with a goodly amount of fuel squirting out the end of the hose. So I may have purchased a spare pump!

I am not, however, convinced that the overflow valve is operating correctly. The scarred up portion would not have seated completely which begs the question.

I hate to think it, but I may in fact be looking at another injection pump. Too early to say. I'll install the new pump and overflow valve when they get here and start again. Meanwhile I am creating my punchout list and beginning work on it
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« Reply #771 on: May 20, 2016, 02:21:53 PM »
Should I have a punch out list?  I'd be happy if I could find my box of media tip for the blaster that grew legs. That and more rain.... good thing I have other stuff to do. 

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« Reply #772 on: May 20, 2016, 09:17:41 PM »
Speaking of a punch-out list...I actually created one. It is probably 90%-95% complete

The asterisk items are optional for now, but a part of the long term build on this truck.

It's a long list! I am quite a bit away from finishing the truck it would seem.

I think I was losing interest because I lacked a plan, and for other reasons as well. Like the need to get the farm up and operational. Summer is the time to get that done, so a lot of money and effort will be heading south, but I can now see what I have to do to get this truck driving and operational.

SO without further adieu, here is that list:

Square D Punch-out list

Connect Brake pedal
Connect Proportioning valve…strange fittings??
Fill and bleed brake system
Install Lift pump
Reconnect fuel supply lines
Install Overflow valve
Reinstall Marine injectors
Install stainless hardware to aux fuel door, repaint mount plate
Relocate throttle cable
Mount AC condenser
Run AC lines
Hook up AC system, bleed/charge
Figure out AC wiring to use factory switch
Install air filter to cab air
Wire up top area illumination lights
Install convoluted wire loom covering on top/exterior wires
Fabricate sill plates/secure carpet and wiring
Figure out/repair dome light
Install foot well lights
Label overhead switches
Install transfer case 4WD indicator switch in top of case (OUCH!)
Figure out/install transmission wiring from two-prong switch
Install overdrive switch…New model shift lever/switch??
Find/repair transmission leak
Reinstall fuel shutoff plate
Install momentary grid heater switch next to fuel shutoff
Install aux fuel tank fuel level gage
Connect fuel transfer pump switch from aux tank
Install 10 psi hobbs switch to H2O injection
Close off back of right fender well
Fabricate fender well bulkhead
Install air cleaner
Connect air intake to turbo
Hook up rear air bag lines
Replace rear taillight sockets and secure harness
Top off power steering fluid
Replace aft deep cycle battery with normal unit
Gage cluster:   
   Figure out/repair the half of the lights that don’t work
   Figure out/repair speedometer
   Mount tachometer/ hook up and get working
Build left door panel or repair and install factory panel
**Install new Silverado rear springs
**Install rear shackle flip system
**Install new front leaf spring mount on rear springs
**Fab up rear entry door to replace rear hatch and tail gate
**Modify rear topper top to a flip up design
**Fabricate rock rails
**Fabricate rear “Surprise” module
**Fabricate smoke generator
**Fab up rear folding bunk
**Fab up storage for bed

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« Reply #773 on: May 20, 2016, 09:45:44 PM »
Is that the short list?
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« Reply #774 on: May 20, 2016, 09:49:22 PM »
Nice list...I have no ability to plan that far ahead. My list goes like this "put it together"

On your list a few comments:
AC... it' controlled by the PCM...wiring around that is simple enough for the most part...but if memory serves me correctly the cycle switch needs to be swapped to a older style. I am sure a google search and some time will answer that.

OD switch: I used a old school dimmer switch on the floor in Patch... very handy for "involved driving" when two hands are required for something other than turning on/off OD.

There is a secret to making the electronic speedo work with out a PCM...when you get it driving I will walk you through it. (assuming yr using the OEM speedo)

As for the rear springs...I am likely going to be head first into that in a week or two myself.





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« Reply #775 on: May 20, 2016, 09:58:39 PM »
I will need to do the AC to. Pretty sure mine goes through the PCM as it kicks in high idle and cycles with the defrost.
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« Reply #776 on: May 21, 2016, 09:13:38 PM »
Here's the fuel pump I pulled off. I believe it is fine, seemed to pump OK and no unusual wear or cracking anywhere. Never the less, I have a new on the way here.
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« Reply #777 on: May 21, 2016, 09:15:08 PM »
And here is the overflow valve, which did however show some wear in the check ball surface
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« Reply #778 on: May 21, 2016, 09:18:34 PM »
The replacement overflow valve is an adjustable unit which can push the pressure up into the 40's assuming everything else is working all right.

I just started on the long list of punch out items. I picked something easy, replacing the temp bolts in the aux fuel port with the #10-24 machine screws

I managed to pull off some paint and a stick on letter, so I applied a new decal as well
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« Reply #779 on: May 21, 2016, 09:20:15 PM »
Another pesky item was the leak at the main fuel filler port. So I cleaned and RTV'd that sucker up next
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« Reply #780 on: May 21, 2016, 09:22:30 PM »
Then I felt it was time to tackle something much bigger...The remainder of the snorkel/air filtration system.

I will not be using the factory filter can any longer. Instead I'll simply attach the filter to the back side of the bulkhead piece.
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« Reply #781 on: May 21, 2016, 09:23:33 PM »
I started with a hole in some aircraft .032 aluminum
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« Reply #782 on: May 21, 2016, 09:24:32 PM »
Then I drilled the three holes which will serve to mount the filter head
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« Reply #783 on: May 21, 2016, 09:25:44 PM »
After enlarging the hole for the filter stub base, the filter head laid in very nicely
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« Reply #784 on: May 21, 2016, 09:27:18 PM »
Then I started trimming that piece down to a manageable size. This piece will screw into the aluminum structure I plan to build to isolate the filter from the engine bay
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« Reply #785 on: May 21, 2016, 09:28:27 PM »
This is the inside view and how the air filter will be suspended about in the center of a very large plenum
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« Reply #786 on: May 21, 2016, 09:30:22 PM »
I did a bit of cleanup and size-up of the project as a whole. I guess today was a "Getting reaquainted day" with Square D. I noticed several more things to add to the list, which I did, and now have a better idea of how to proceed.
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« Reply #787 on: May 21, 2016, 09:42:25 PM »
So here is the list as of today:
Green = Complete
Orange = in progress
Purple = awaiting parts
Red = not started yet/needs to be done


Square D Punch-out list
Install stainless hardware to aux fuel door, repaint mount plate

Seal fuel filler port/repair leak
Fabricate fender well bulkhead/Install air cleaner

Connect Brake pedal
Connect Proportioning valve…strange fittings??
Fill and bleed brake system


Install Lift pump
Reconnect fuel supply lines
Install Overflow valve


Reinstall Marine injectors
Relocate left front limb riser cable mount
Relocate throttle cable
Mount AC condenser
Run AC lines
Hook up AC system, bleed/charge
Figure out AC wiring to use factory switch
Install air filter to cab air
Wire up top area illumination lights
Install convoluted wire loom covering on top/exterior wires
Fabricate sill plates/secure carpet and wiring
Figure out/repair dome light
Install foot well lights
Label overhead switches
Install transfer case 4WD indicator switch in top of case (OUCH!)
Figure out/install transmission wiring from two-prong switch
Install overdrive switch…New model shift lever/switch??
Find/repair transmission leak
Reinstall fuel shutoff plate
Install momentary grid heater switch next to fuel shutoff
Install aux fuel tank fuel level gage
Connect fuel transfer pump switch from aux tank
Install 10 psi hobbs switch to H2O injection
Close off back of right fender well
Connect air intake to turbo
Hook up rear air bag lines
Replace rear taillight sockets and secure harness
Top off power steering fluid
Replace aft deep cycle battery with normal unit
Gage cluster:   
   Figure out/repair the half of the lights that don’t work
   Figure out/repair speedometer
   Mount tachometer/ hook up and get working
Build left door panel or repair and install factory panel
**Install new Silverado rear springs
**Install rear shackle flip system
**Install new front leaf spring mount on rear springs
**Fab up rear entry door to replace rear hatch and tail gate
**Modify rear topper top to a flip up design
**Fabricate rock rails
**Fabricate rear “Surprise” module
**Fabricate smoke generator
**Fab up rear folding bunk
**Fab up storage for bed
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« Reply #788 on: May 21, 2016, 10:03:27 PM »
Normal, the more you do, the more you find to do.

It looks ready to get out of the garage!!!
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« Reply #789 on: May 21, 2016, 10:06:22 PM »
Normal, the more you do, the more you find to do.

It looks ready to get out of the garage!!!
I'm ready to get it out of the garage!
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« Reply #790 on: May 22, 2016, 08:29:34 AM »
We're ready to see it out of the garage!

But the voice in my head keeps saying in Steve Irwin's accent "Crikey!  What we have here is a Square D in his natural environment.  Let's be quiet so we don't wake him up."

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« Reply #791 on: May 22, 2016, 12:47:09 PM »
Introducing myself here, I've already spoke with Don through PM. My name is Travis, I've been silently stalking this build for over a year now. I am certified Cummins mechanic at a Kenworth dealer in Lafayette, IN. I would love to help in anyway I can, this rig is amazing, the detail and quality that goes into every aspect of it is spectacular. I own a 93 D250 that I converted to a W250. I believe in keeping these old beauties alive, so anyway I can help, I'm here. I have access to Cummins Quickserve, I also have friends at Cummins in Columbus who were part of the original B-series in a 3/4 ton pick up project.

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« Reply #792 on: May 22, 2016, 12:55:09 PM »
A Hoosier! Told ya there wasn't any diesel mechanics in the tuck...... ;D
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« Reply #793 on: May 22, 2016, 01:00:10 PM »
A Hoosier! Told ya there wasn't any diesel mechanics in the tuck...... ;D

Haha yes a Hoosier, nothing but corn here.

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« Reply #794 on: May 22, 2016, 03:43:15 PM »
Introducing myself here, I've already spoke with Don through PM. My name is Travis, I've been silently stalking this build for over a year now. I am certified Cummins mechanic at a Kenworth dealer in Lafayette, IN. I would love to help in anyway I can, this rig is amazing, the detail and quality that goes into every aspect of it is spectacular. I own a 93 D250 that I converted to a W250. I believe in keeping these old beauties alive, so anyway I can help, I'm here. I have access to Cummins Quickserve, I also have friends at Cummins in Columbus who were part of the original B-series in a 3/4 ton pick up project.

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Welcome, tlane! Yet another forum member drawn to the site by SquareD. Maybe that is Don's reason for not finishing the project? The longer it goes on, the more people drawn to the flock? Hmmm...
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #795 on: May 22, 2016, 04:22:05 PM »
I assume your last name is Lane? Are you possibly related to a Jim or Dave Lane of NE In origin?
Living in the remote north hoping Ken doesn’t bring H up here any time soon…..

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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #796 on: May 22, 2016, 05:35:43 PM »
Introducing myself here, I've already spoke with Don through PM. My name is Travis, I've been silently stalking this build for over a year now. I am certified Cummins mechanic at a Kenworth dealer in Lafayette, IN. I would love to help in anyway I can, this rig is amazing, the detail and quality that goes into every aspect of it is spectacular. I own a 93 D250 that I converted to a W250. I believe in keeping these old beauties alive, so anyway I can help, I'm here. I have access to Cummins Quickserve, I also have friends at Cummins in Columbus who were part of the original B-series in a 3/4 ton pick up project.

Travis
Welcome, tlane! Yet another forum member drawn to the site by SquareD. Maybe that is Don's reason for not finishing the project? The longer it goes on, the more people drawn to the flock? Hmmm...
I'm the crafty one all right!...You know how those Night Stalkers are... ;-)
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #797 on: May 22, 2016, 05:38:17 PM »
I'm the crafty one all right!...You know how those Night Stalkers are... ;-)
Sneaky is more like it! LOL
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #798 on: May 22, 2016, 08:13:38 PM »
I assume your last name is Lane? Are you possibly related to a Jim or Dave Lane of NE In origin?

No Sir, all of the Lane relatives that I know of are from southern Illinois and Southern Indiana. But its possible.



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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #799 on: May 22, 2016, 08:16:55 PM »
DON,

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