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Title: SquareD Part 6 Bumpers, Winches, wiring, lights, assembly
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 07:50:02 PM
Now whether part 6 will actually see the finishing of SquareD or simply becomes another lengthy chapter in this ever changing truck build, time will tell.

But with a pseudo end in sight and fast approaching the time when the truck will once again move on its own power along with the fab work that will see an armored front sides and back end along with some other cool things, this is a good point to start a new section.

When we departed part 5, I was painting things, wiring in things and bring it all together. Tonight's installment will continue in that vein
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 The end is in sight! Electrical, Bumpers, Interior, Stuff...
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 07:58:26 PM
Being early spring I am having to deal with a lot of this stuff:

The siren keeps going off with severe thunderstorms and tornado warnings. The weather is definitely slowing me down, along with some other stuff

With the emergency broadcast message sounding in the background, this storm was fast approaching and started dropping hail
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:00:33 PM
On to truck stuff.

I had to place a factory order, but Lokar built a 48" transmission filler and dipstick tube all custom like. It will be mounted to the side of the fender making checking and topping fluid easy as eating warm apple pie!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:02:04 PM
It's a perfect time too, since the fender is back off for painting. I think I'll plasti-dip both this and the engine oil dipstick handle
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:04:27 PM
Next up I fussed with the left fender for some time. It was a stubborn fit which required me to loosen up the radiator core support again and shim it 1/4" to get the larger than I'd prefer gap to even up top to bottom. I am using that purdy hardware to hold it in place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:06:16 PM
With that snugged down, the first louver panef was screwed down

Now I'm really undecided here. I elected to just go OD green with everything, but that thing is screaming to become semi-gloss black
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
Back in Part 5 Norm and I were discussing the tire to fender clearance. I had decided to trim it up some to gain clearance. I started out working with a couple fat fingers of clearance
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:10:02 PM
Using the bottom of the marker light as a reference I selected some 2" masking tape to serve as a guide. I made the cut on the bottom edge
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:11:57 PM
Which vastly improved clearance from that axle which now lives about 1.5" further forward than the stocker did
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:14:06 PM
Starting to look like a truck again. Things are lining up somewhat. Not perfect, but "roughed-in" certainly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:16:15 PM
Next I got on the other fender, cutting off the same portion of it as I did on the lefty. Then after some prep, the inside was thoroughly undercoated. It will be ready to paint tomorrow, weather permitting.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:20:59 PM
I'm probably going to add some tabs to the inside of the right fender to block off part of it so that I can create an air tight compartment to house the air filter which would draw air from only the snorkel and a planned emergency bypass valve

On to the bed area. Wiring is starting to come together here just like in the front. I will require an electrical panel here as well as the one in the cab to run lights, control solar panel charging, run a fuel pump and a few avionics. I was thinking of cutting in a piece of aluminum about here, but am also considering building a piece of "furniture" to act as a desk/bed and store things.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 09, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
But the bed furniture bone is connected to the bed mounted aux fuel tank bone, so I will need to fab up and mount in the fuel tank before I add in anything permanent further back.

So for the first EBDP (End of build day pic), tonight I'll go unconventional and show the left side view. Jap maple is starting to come in so I can't really look in from there or see through the dirty windows!

And looking at the side view with the black fuel ports, can you see where the louver panel might look right at home in flat black?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on April 09, 2015, 09:02:35 PM
I agree on the black panel.
Just because it's a purpose built truck, doesn't mean you can't show off or accent the 'goodies' that you've added.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on April 09, 2015, 09:19:02 PM
I'm also thinking black on the panel.
Just an observation, is it just the fresh paint vs a probable accumulation of dust, or is the fender a different hue?
Yes the panel needs to be black.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 09, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Black panel vote here too!  Creates balance and unity of design
(Art teacher stuff)

                                                   ^^^^^ ;D^^^^^
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 09, 2015, 09:26:21 PM
I second the black for the panels. They are made for access and it matches the theme of the truck.

I trimmed my old 77 front fenders the same way Don. Cut them even with the lower front trim for a wrap around bumper flat all the way around.

You can see it in the pic here and it matched the blackout down the side.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 09, 2015, 09:28:22 PM
BLACK PANELS

Darn Dots, give em a toy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 10, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
I agree, black panels!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2015, 12:10:12 PM
OK, OK

The BPS (Black Panel Sect) wins

I'll paint em

On the fender being a different hue?? Funny I thought so myself, but paint came out of the same can

When you look at it from a 90 degree angle it's all purdy and same/same

But, I will need to repaint that fender. the #40 grit scratches and a million little orbital swirls are really showing up. I'll get to that later

And finally, let me ask:

I am considering spraying the lower panes below the break black. Either J Deere Black or come in with the bed liner. Thoughts??
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2015, 12:26:38 PM
Another opinion question:

Stock grill or a home made one like this one on War wagon:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 10, 2015, 12:44:41 PM
^ this
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on April 10, 2015, 01:15:40 PM
I like the stock one more, however, the other one is removable it can double as a grill... so you got a whole new survival aspect covered..  8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Armalite on April 10, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
Black Black Black......  Paint that thing black...

I vote raptor liner the lower panels.  You know as well as I that those sections see the most rock dings and scratches from lower brush and limbs.  That raptor liner wont show the scratches dents or dings like paint will. 

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Armalite on April 10, 2015, 02:06:16 PM
Another opinion question:

Stock grill or a home made one like this one on War wagon:

absolutely love this grille.  Custom built, by you, just like every other piece of this truck.  Throw you a nice shine, then have it chrome dipped!!!!   :o

Ok, maybe not chrome dipped.  Blitz black would sure shine that nice piece up though! 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Armalite on April 10, 2015, 02:09:15 PM
Hey Don, just a far off thought, out of the box really...  Ever debated having any of those parts galvanized?  I know I just dealt with having to price out a bunch of miscellaneous parts for a big project down here and everything had to be galvanized.  There is a large, country wide company that can galvanize anything.  Would paint stick to the galvanized parts though??  Just a thought and figured I would pass it along...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on April 10, 2015, 02:51:14 PM
Enough out of you Mr. Ash the trouble maker! He won't ever get this thing runnin' if he starts building a grill!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on April 10, 2015, 03:32:53 PM
I am with bobby on this one.  not only will you have good protection for the cooler stack, but you will also have something to place over the fire and cook with/on.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2015, 06:22:36 PM
Seems like the people have spoken

One for stocker

and manys for something that looks like that excellent one on the war wagon truck.

Well, thing is, I could mount the AC condenser right back in the front if I went with custom. And bobby is correct, it reduces the armoring up requirement for the front end, as it would double as front end protection from branches and jap car parts.

OK, I'll start on a design

Anyone know anyone who can laser cut a bunch of these vertical uprights out of, say 1/8" for me?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2015, 06:23:56 PM
Hey Don, just a far off thought, out of the box really...  Ever debated having any of those parts galvanized?  I know I just dealt with having to price out a bunch of miscellaneous parts for a big project down here and everything had to be galvanized.  There is a large, country wide company that can galvanize anything.  Would paint stick to the galvanized parts though??  Just a thought and figured I would pass it along...

Ash,

Duane and I have spoken of it. I am staying the course since the truck is now in a pretty advanced state, however the Duane plans to have the entire frame galvanized on his PW crew build!

Gud Thinkin'
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on April 10, 2015, 07:38:11 PM
I think the guy that had owned equipment that could chop those out for you has sold it all for another adventure.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 11, 2015, 10:05:04 AM
I agree. Custom grill and sharpen the edges so you can hit a deer at speed and pick up the steaks already cut!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Drunksailor on April 11, 2015, 02:11:34 PM
Well i vote custom grill for the purpose of protection but keep it simple to fit the theme.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on April 11, 2015, 04:41:47 PM
I vote custom grill if your OEM one is nice and shiny with no cracks... then you can send it to me LoL

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 11, 2015, 07:12:21 PM
I agree. Custom grill and sharpen the edges so you can hit a deer at speed and pick up the steaks already cut!

This made me laugh out loud!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 12, 2015, 02:04:35 AM
Yes, custom grill AK the Warwagon!!

I may just have to do that as the chevys don't like an intercooler with the stock grill.

I mean, if your gonna hit something big bumper or not your not going far with a hole in the rad or IC.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 12, 2015, 02:08:16 AM
What about powder-coating the grill?

I vote undercoating the lower panels, looks good in with any color.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: wilsonphil on April 12, 2015, 04:25:35 PM
Another opinion question:

Stock grill or a home made one like this one on War wagon:

If you never intend on working on your truck then you can go the war wagon route.  I would run the stock grill and make a bumper to protect the front of the truck.  the War wagon unit looks cool but the first time you run into something (it will happen) you will not be a happy camper, the fenders, radiator, intercooler, AC system will take the brunt of the hit  (deer, Elk, Moose, rock that runs out in front of you).  keep it simple so you can work on the truck and protect the systems to keep you moving. this is just IMO!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 07:39:26 PM
Another opinion question:

Stock grill or a home made one like this one on War wagon:

If you never intend on working on your truck then you can go the war wagon route.  I would run the stock grill and make a bumper to protect the front of the truck.  the War wagon unit looks cool but the first time you run into something (it will happen) you will not be a happy camper, the fenders, radiator, intercooler, AC system will take the brunt of the hit  (deer, Elk, Moose, rock that runs out in front of you).  keep it simple so you can work on the truck and protect the systems to keep you moving. this is just IMO!

Well, if I went custom, it would be integrated into the frontal impact/ramming structure/system. I mean that thing would only be deflecting parts that get through what I plan to go in front of it. And I plan to construct a bumper system that pushes stuff down and away from the expensive parts.

Norm,
The grill I have is OK, not great. Has some chrome blisters, but if I don't use it, you'd be welcome to it. Be cool to have parts from other trucks and sharing mine as well throughout the community...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Armalite on April 13, 2015, 03:03:56 PM
Hey Don, just a far off thought, out of the box really...  Ever debated having any of those parts galvanized?  I know I just dealt with having to price out a bunch of miscellaneous parts for a big project down here and everything had to be galvanized.  There is a large, country wide company that can galvanize anything.  Would paint stick to the galvanized parts though??  Just a thought and figured I would pass it along...

Ash,

Duane and I have spoken of it. I am staying the course since the truck is now in a pretty advanced state, however the Duane plans to have the entire frame galvanized on his PW crew build!

Gud Thinkin'

Every blue moon or so, one random thought will acquire, and I pass it on...  Other than that, it's just pretty much gibberish....
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:36:38 PM
Ash, feel free to suggest away, Can't hurt!

OK tonight's update is all about body work so if you aren't interested in that, just click over and read something else. If you like it, you'll be enthralled!

OK out of the chock blocks, I painted that first access panel black cause everyone wanted it so:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:38:12 PM
Then I had, like way-too-big washers holding on the fuel and water filler ports so I removed that stuff and installed the correct size washers (smaller)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:38:54 PM
All of that changed up the look of that side somewhat
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:40:43 PM
I planned to get the aft electrical panel built today but the body work kept going on and on and I ran out of time. Here's the solar panel controller and a 400W inverter to power AC things
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:43:10 PM
I finished Dr. Yeng's fender company factory installed dent repair on the snorkel fender and that puts that dude on short final (pilot talk) for a green paint job
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:46:00 PM
I spotted the bare metal with acid etching primer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:46:52 PM
Next up was the hood. For some silly reason, I was thinking I only had to scratch it down a bit, then paint it...But I forgot about a dent it acquired along the way somewhere

Here it gets its first skimming of body filler
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:50:03 PM
Red dog in the background waiting me out to snag a tasty tool!

Working plastic body filler requires TTM (Time, Tools, and Muscle) along with a good touch to feel for flatness and a discerning eye

Once the material starts setting up it's best to take an aggressive specialty file and level it somewhat to reduce sanding time
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:53:22 PM
File first, then back off and allow the stuff to fully set up. Then start sanding with 60 grit and a long flat board. You will find the high and low spots through rubbing your hand over the area and observing the sanding pattern. When you start to sand through the primer into the parent metal, you either have a high spot, or a low spot right after it.

I got door #2, so I needed another skim coat
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:56:08 PM
I mix up a lot and always have plenty left over. I like to smear some of it on the inside of the boys jeans and socks and on the red dog when I can catch her!

Makes life more sporting for everyone concerned!

After working that layer down, I still had a bit of a low area so I skimmed that area as well
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 09:00:19 PM
Its all coming out like apple pie and vanilla ice cream, it just goes together perfectly!

During the in-between times waiting for stuff to set up and the red dog to silently attack and seize my body filler file, I took to sanding. I am using an orbital at 120psi on the fast setting and 120 grit. That black rust converter stuff I put on a year or two ago is like iron and a living bear to get off. But with time and determination it will yield!

Got this far along so far:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 09:02:53 PM
And right out of the door is this sad sight...The Chevy. It sits there totally destroyed! It has some dirt on it rendering it unserviceable forever more. I will likely have to have it towed away and crushed, or washed. I'll have to sort through that difficult thought process. What a shame to see it is such deplorable condition!

Saddening isn't it?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 09:05:01 PM
That was all I had time for today. Spent the morning fixing web site stuff. We had some "bot" attack our site which shut it down for awhile. I made some calls, sent some emails and spent some money and we were back in business, but I lost the time.

Anyway, we march ever onward toward eventual victory!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on April 13, 2015, 11:04:56 PM
Body work ..... only thing worse is wiring LoL  I envy your skills and your patience. It's looking darn good. You also reminded me I need to track down a decent hood for our truck...I must have one somewhere with no hail dents in it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 14, 2015, 09:37:43 AM
Body work ..... only thing worse is wiring LoL  I envy your skills and your patience. It's looking darn good. You also reminded me I need to track down a decent hood for our truck...I must have one somewhere with no hail dents in it.
You ought to, you have everything else!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 14, 2015, 02:11:27 PM
Don, how far do those tires stick out with 3.5 BS? I keep getting told the pressed center is the way to go but want more like a 4.5 BS which can only happen with a flat center.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 14, 2015, 03:11:51 PM
Don, how far do those tires stick out with 3.5 BS? I keep getting told the pressed center is the way to go but want more like a 4.5 BS which can only happen with a flat center.
JR,

They don't stick out at all. Everything on this old Dodge is still tucked under the fender lips I think.

When I go out and check that, I'll be surprised to discover the whole tire is outside the fender and I was wrong...but I don't think so
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 14, 2015, 08:13:19 PM
I don't have lips on the burb and not wanting to put them on. Another reason I kept the dodge front end, the GM is about 2 inches wider.

Will post over in mine but thinking of going with dually hubs in front and newer 14bt in the rear.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:31:34 PM
OK, lets get this hood and fender painted already!

Starting out I spent some time working the last coat of plastic filler with the sanding board and #60 grit

Here it is starting to come around:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:32:28 PM
Taking my time and checking often with my hand, it is still a bit high here but pretty darned close
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:33:22 PM
And even though you can't tell much by the photo, here it is leveled front to back and side to side
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:34:58 PM
That got a thick coat of high build primer, then after some drying time got a skim coat of glazing compound which fills all those pesky little air pocket holes in the plastic
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:36:46 PM
Then back to the mindless sanding with the orbital. I went through two more packs of 120 grit sanding discs before I declared it done enough to go to next step
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:37:56 PM
Then I hit it with some #240 and washed it completely with solvent
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:39:16 PM
I dusted all the bare metal areas with a light coat of the acid etching primer so I'd seal it up and get a good bite for the primer/surfacer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:40:44 PM
After allowing that to dry for awhile and torturing the red dog by petting the sled dog, I laid down two coats of the primer/sealer
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:42:35 PM
Satisified that I had a descent "B" paint job in the works I proceeded to the OD Green paint

Here's after the first of three coats:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:45:32 PM
Old Dr. Yeng's fender is lookin' pretty spiffy. There is some striping in the first coat, but that went bye-bye with the next layer of enamel.

Here's just after the third coat:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 15, 2015, 05:48:33 PM
Dang that looks nice... Great work!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:48:59 PM
I had gotten a run in the front of the hood after the first coat. I employed an old painter's trick. Take some masking tape and slowly lay it on the run and blot it gently. Usually you can lift most of the run off since it stands taller than the surrounding paint.

I did it and darned if it didn't work somewhat. It's not perfect, but I am not seeking perfect here. I just want a quality paint job and a cammo color that is flat and blends with the background. I wanted a "serviceable" paint job, nothing more.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 05:51:34 PM
So with paint fumes migrating into the house, I stopped the work right there.

Now that painted fender can be installed and Mr. Franken-Snorkel can finally be permanently installed!

That's it for Build day 240!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on April 15, 2015, 09:15:53 PM
Looks good to me man. We have been debating what color we are going to paint our project. Thankfully we are a long ways from that stage.

I will be happy to get some epoxy on the frame and axles this week with the temps dropping to the 30's yet at night.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on April 15, 2015, 09:43:22 PM
Looks good Don.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 15, 2015, 09:54:31 PM
Looks good to me man. We have been debating what color we are going to paint our project. Thankfully we are a long ways from that stage.

I will be happy to get some epoxy on the frame and axles this week with the temps dropping to the 30's yet at night.
We're in the 60's daytime and 40's at night

The other weekend camping at the farm, it was low 40's and I'd have to say that morning campfire felt pretty good

Personally, I'll be happy when the body work and painting is done as well.

Still have the cowl, and the valence panel and the hood hinges and the grill to paint, but that should be it.

I'll shoot the lower third black or apply bed liner and of course have to paint up the bumpers and rock rails, but that's not as pesky as trying to get a body panel straight.

I left some small dents in the body on purpose. It just didn't seem right to fix all this old warriors' scars from its glorious past, so I left em' intact
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 15, 2015, 10:24:21 PM
Don-

Really looking spiffy!  Going outta pocket for next few days at a Liberal......er' Teachers Convention......so I'll be looking in regularly for a dose of normalcy and maybe an occasional cold and prickly moment for anyone looking over my shoulder at some pictures of Trucks and Assault Weapons!   ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 15, 2015, 10:26:06 PM
Don what kind of paint gun are you using?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 15, 2015, 10:45:12 PM
That is looking really good. Now it'll be tuff to scratch it up.

Now just the front dumper and some fuel!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 16, 2015, 06:41:35 AM
That is looking really good. Now it'll be tuff to scratch it up.

Yea, mulch beds usually just dirty up the tires a little........... ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 08:57:36 AM
That is looking really good. Now it'll be tuff to scratch it up.

Yea, mulch beds usually just dirty up the tires a little........... ;)

Lost my best jeep in a mulch bed

Swallowed it up completely

Only a bed of iris and black eyed susans to show for all my work

That's why I don't drive jeeps

Most mulch beds at least the really hazardous ones you fine around malls won't completely swallow a big truck

That's why I drive em'

You people have never really 4-wheeled at the mall, so you have no real concept of the danger there!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 08:58:58 AM
Don what kind of paint gun are you using?
DeVillbis

Two guns

One dedicated to primers (larger orifice)

One dedicated to paints (Slightly smaller orifice)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 09:07:01 AM
That is looking really good. Now it'll be tuff to scratch it up.

Now just the front dumper and some fuel!!!!
Poured 5 gallons of diesel #1 in it the other day

Found a leak in the filler neck connection right away

Need to patch that up

When the fender goes on, the trans filler neck gets attached

Then I fill the trans with fluid

THen I start final checks

Then I prime everything

Then I get Duane to standby to put his hand over the turbo inlet in case it runs away (He-he)

Then I turn the key to the start position and listen for a change in sound...

Then I post the results

Then JR's anxiety level goes back down to a 4.5 on the ricter scale!

Then life is good once again

Then, about a week later is the presidential elections

Then Hillary defeats Bush

Then the anxiety level increases once again

Then JR packs up and moves out of Kali

Then...
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Post by: JR on April 16, 2015, 01:07:59 PM
Hillary in there would cause unrest in more than my home and countries!!

I have a leak in my dmax system somewhere, keeps having to be primed. Runs fine, rebuilt the filter head but she just bleeds out sometimes.

I'll wait for Tate to swing by and we can caravan.
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Post by: Dawg25385 on April 16, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
Then life is good once again

Then, about a week later is the presidential elections

Then Hillary defeats Bush

Then the anxiety level increases once again


BUZZKILL... i see many CIEMR threads about this in the future...  >:(
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:30:15 PM
Then life is good once again

Then, about a week later is the presidential elections

Then Hillary defeats Bush

Then the anxiety level increases once again


BUZZKILL... i see many CIEMR threads about this in the future...  >:(

Indeed there would be!

OK boyz and girlz, ready for build day 241?

OK, heard a couple "ye-hoo's" so I'll take that as a positive!

Today I was all over the place. First I wanted to get the rest of the stuff painted, so I painted it!

Starting with the hood hinges which needed scrubbing, sanding washing with thinner, rubbing with steel wool, and prayer by some Tibetan Monks!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:33:33 PM
Oh the hood and fender paint is still not dry enough to work with. It is not all that great. Looking at it, you can see imperfections all over. I mean that metal is anything but flat. If you stand off a few feet, it's OK, but up close I am only satisified that the metal is covered and subdued in a non reflective paint

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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:35:22 PM
Remember the spot I lifted the run off with some masking tape?

Well, it turned out pretty well, considering
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:36:58 PM
Back to the hood hinges.

I had to really dig out all the old grease, rust spots and preservative from 20+ years ago. But that stuff yielded and I had them in primer in a flash!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:37:50 PM
Then, they too, got three heavy coats of OD green to finish them
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:40:16 PM
Next up were the cowl and valance panels

Same-same. Cleaning, sanding, prep, primer, then coating

The underside of the valance got coated with truck bed coating...I don't want trouble out of it in the future
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:41:24 PM
The cowl got the same stuff sprayed on the underside.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:42:42 PM
The valance panel got the OD Green paint on the outside surface to match the fenders like it should
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:45:19 PM
The topside of the cowl got a different treatment. Trailing off from the bottom of the windshield, I coated the topside with truck bed liner then chased that with a layer of the Blitz Black from John Deere

I want no reflectivity and I am considering painting the raised part of the hood in semi gloss black as well for the same reasons
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:47:02 PM
Next I did a few "Chorsey things like securing my engine dipstick. A simple section of aluminum angle did the trick
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:49:24 PM
Remember the link Red Neck posted for "Clips" and do-dads?

Well my order showed up today from Anaheim. That was quick!

Here's some of the things I picked up:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:51:07 PM
These little gems are the correct Chrysler headlight adjusting screw assemblies. I pulled out the Autozone junk and popped these in. Immediately the headlights straightened up and feel very secure
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:54:04 PM
On to the rear electrical stuff. Remember that LED work light I installed awhile ago? Well I fashioned up a switch panel for it. I am switching the ground so the hot wire will run on top all tucked away
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:55:45 PM
And finishing it up:

The extra hole is for future growth...you never know what you're gonna bolt in next!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 07:58:11 PM
Hmmm, got one in there crooked...Oh well

Then the electrical panel for the other side got mocked up
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 16, 2015, 08:00:20 PM
About then the chain gang working on the inside of my stomach got a bit too loud...I had skipped lunch! So it was off to the shower and stove so I could assume my duties as a mom (Which I am very poor at)

So ended build day 241!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:07:06 PM
OK, another build day has come and gone

But after viewing today's progress, I think you'll agree the project definitely moved forward

Mounting the fender and all the things that mount to it was today's bidding.

Starting things off, I primed and painted the louver panel
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:10:26 PM
In the first pic the fender is hanging. In the last it is partially secured.

Mounting the thing is a paux de' deux (dance for two, or just "dance" in French).

Meaning that you have to work everything at the same time to sort of work it into it's proper place.

THis fender being one of Dr Yeng's Chinaman fender company finest does not fit properly, but it's close. And close is good enough for hand grenades and squareD
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:12:52 PM
Bolts are going in everywhere, Heck I even bolted some things to the wall just to keep the momentum going strong!

At this point the fender and wheel well which is integral to the strength of the assemble and likely the whole front end is all bolted in!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:14:12 PM
After remounting the power supply cable, I started utilizing some of those nifty clip things I picked up from RedNeck's hot tip source
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:15:55 PM
Next the errant transmixer dip stick end was bolted home to Dr. Yeng's fender inside. I hope the weight of the dipstick does not cause the fender to fold in on itself
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:18:01 PM
Next up, time to hang FrankenSnorkel

I used the one sided foam tape developed for truck bed toppers to create a gasket for the snorkel body
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:21:02 PM
I used a few 1/4" studs to literally "hang" the snorkel onto the fender while I figured out what a lousy choice it was to use 1/4" rivnuts. I ended up pulling the snorkel back off, then drilled out the whole bottom row and used a screw/nut combo to hold that ugly thing onto Dr. Yeng

I had a whole passel of stainless 1/4" machine screws to choose from
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:22:41 PM
And completely secured! American steel meets Dr. Yeng fender interpretation thing!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:24:02 PM
Next, I reconnected the factor antenna because I wanted to stick something in that hole in the top of the fender
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:25:36 PM
Then the louver panes was attached with the stainless #10 machine screws
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:28:10 PM
Ever notice or wonder about that stubby pipe sticking out of the bottom of the snorkel fender piece?

Probably not...

Well, it is designed to act as a sump to collect water and vent it to the outside while keeping outside stuff from going up inside

It works like this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:29:50 PM
It's a British Land Rover military truck piece. I picked it up in Kandahar from the Royal Marines (Royal Jarheads??)
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:31:30 PM
The pile obscuring the jap maple outside has gotten smaller (Yippee!)

But I couldn't find the new marker light fender lenses...hmmm

So I stuck one of the old cloudy ones in the hole and installed some new LED bulbs
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:32:09 PM
Starting to look like a truck, eeh?
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2015, 10:33:24 PM
And that right there brought me right up to peanut butter and jelly time. The end of a productive build day #242
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Post by: JR on April 18, 2015, 02:58:52 AM
That sure looks good Don. From this angle that garage is just begging for a 2 post lift, all that room!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2015, 08:38:18 AM
So, speaking to the BPS
(Black Panel Sect)
I mentioned I am thinking of painting the raised portion of the hood flat black
Every aircraft I ever flew (I think) had that section of the nosecone painted black
They do that to make us pilots look cool!
But you think about it and, heck, we don't need any props!
Know what I mean?!
OK, sorry, I was all amped up on some psychedelic drug and was trippin' for a minute there
Well, I made that up too...Just full of it (coffee) this morning, eeh?

OK, what was I talkin' about?
Oh yes, BPS people and black hoods

So anyway, I am thinking of painting the raised portion of that hood is a flat black to reduce reflectivity into your eyes of blinding light cast from various angles, and it helps when using night vision devices as well.
It also makes me look cool, just like those sleek lookin' jets and ugly helicopters did all those years!

So, even though I hardly ever pay attention to a SDU (Single DOT Utterance) I'm askin' what do you say?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 18, 2015, 10:00:37 AM
I like the idea. Since it is very hard to get a clean line with tape unless you hide it with pinstripe, which wouldn't befit a project like yours, I would say paint the entire hook flat black with the vent panels OD to tie it together so people don't think you just forgot, or recently replaced the hood or its unfinished.
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Post by: KensAuto on April 18, 2015, 10:22:08 AM
I think you should use a tiny, like real tiny, paint brush, and paint fake carbon fiber strands across the entire hood. That might make you look cool..............might.

Never mind, just paint it black.

...still lovin' that frankensnorkel. That sucker is cool, 'specially all painted up real nice!!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 18, 2015, 10:25:33 AM
Two thumbs up on flat black!  My AAR Cuda' had that stock, and I never suffered from glare in my eyes from the front! (Some shinny lights from behind but you just flip up the mirror and take evasive action.....or pull over and find your license)  ;)

Just the hood, or go all the way out to edge of fender!

Looking good- twist your rubber British Marine flap 90 degrees or drag will force it open when flying down the road and whistle like a flatulent steer........
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Post by: Nate on April 18, 2015, 10:57:49 AM
that's the point of the little flapper mike, the air movement will remove the moisture and dirt.

I have had those on every vehicle I ever operated except for me tracked launcher.  during our daily PMCS we had to flick the nipple and watch how much if any dirt came out.  if nothing came out then we didn't have to remove the filter and clean it, but if there was a big enough cloud of dust then we would have to remove filter and clean it.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 18, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
Thanks Nate, we're learning together!
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Post by: Sammconn on April 18, 2015, 01:18:47 PM
I'm with redneck, a clean line would be hard to achieve, do the whole thing.
And then you may have to do something with the Louvre panels.
Maybe carbon fibre...lol.
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Post by: JR on April 18, 2015, 02:23:29 PM
I had my old GMC hood blacked out, loved it so I vote that way too. I did have a pin stripe though breaking the black to yellow.
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Post by: Drunksailor on April 18, 2015, 07:07:38 PM
Well all the planes I've worked on have a flat painted surface but most are the same color and since your od is flat anyway i don't think it will help much except sucking in heat from sunlight. Speaking of hood temp i don't remember if you got a turbo blanket or not but i know a guy that knows a guy.

X3 for carbon fiber because… It adds 10% power!
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Post by: KensAuto on April 18, 2015, 08:03:21 PM
He does have a blanket for the turbo, but I think he did it to keep it from getting cold, not to save his hood paint.....I think.

And if he doesn't come back to his thread, us DOTs will run amuck...a muck...ammuk...
ok, we'll make a mess.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 18, 2015, 08:28:48 PM
Oh and put lettering on the front of the hood in reverse like an ambulance.  "MOVE OVER"  or "INCOMING"
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Post by: Sammconn on April 18, 2015, 08:36:35 PM
Oh and put lettering on the front of the hood in reverse like an ambulance.  "MOVE OVER"  or "INCOMING"
::) now that right there is an awesome idea!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 18, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
Oh and put lettering on the front of the hood in reverse like an ambulance.  "MOVE OVER"  or "INCOMING"
::) now that right there is an awesome idea!

That's a silly idea, it needs to be on the bumper so Kia and Prius drivers can actually see it!

Low "junk" can't see that high!

Amuckness abounds!
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Post by: Sammconn on April 18, 2015, 10:05:58 PM
Oh and put lettering on the front of the hood in reverse like an ambulance.  "MOVE OVER"  or "INCOMING"
::) now that right there is an awesome idea!

That's a silly idea, it needs to be on the bumper so Kia and Prius drivers can actually see it!


Low "junk" can't see that high!

Amuckness abounds!
You're absolutely right Mike.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2015, 11:01:31 PM
Man, you people!

Hey I was werkin all day down at my other place...posted pics to prove it.

Busted up my tractor really well, so tomorrow it's off to the J-Deere store for some new hoseage...

Whole hood black, well honestly I was thinking about that. But I'm not so much into "looks" except when they serve a useful purpose.

Tomorrow...we'll see if it changes color tomorrow!
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Post by: JR on April 19, 2015, 12:07:55 AM
Reminds me of a story with my GMC about 35 years ago. There I was driving in the Saddleback mountains having a blast sliding around corners and getting air. As I was coming down into Lake Elsinore there was a VW bug coming at me. I braked (downhill), he braked and my truck stopped about 2 inches from his windshield and crushing the hood. As we ll got out to see the damage all the guy could say was "GMC"  which was on the grill. No one was hurt and guy just said, wish I had a beer and we did so all was good and we went on our ways.


DOT!!!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 21, 2015, 05:33:10 PM
We need pictures of:

Ranger


Seems like middle child syndrome- no pictures, just stories of what the kid did, but no proof........poor middle children!  Mines name is Jake, one time he............
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 05:45:55 PM
OK, Ranger pics tonight

You'll love this: So the little guy gets into my office while I'm sippin my quoffee on his first morning home. He climbs under my desk and first thing he does is drag out a plastic wrapped stack of .40SW cartridges!

Cool!

Little killer went for the ammo first thing!

His Grand Mom was a service police doggie. Hopefully ate her share of WHT (Worthless Humanized trash) while werkin with the officers!
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Post by: Drunksailor on April 21, 2015, 06:18:17 PM
OK, Ranger pics tonight

You'll love this: So the little guy gets into my office while I'm sippin my quoffee on his first morning home. He climbs under my desk and first thing he does is drag out a plastic wrapped stack of .40SW cartridges!

Cool!

Little killer went for the ammo first thing!

His Grand Mom was a service police doggie. Hopefully ate her share of WHT (Worthless Humanized trash) while werkin with the officers!

Thought you were talking about a pre ranger, Took a second to realize you were talking about a dog… It makes more since now...
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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 21, 2015, 07:45:07 PM
OK, Ranger pics tonight

You'll love this: So the little guy gets into my office while I'm sippin my quoffee on his first morning home. He climbs under my desk and first thing he does is drag out a plastic wrapped stack of .40SW cartridges!

Thought you were gonna say candy-bar wrapper!

Cool!

Little killer went for the ammo first thing!

His Grand Mom was a service police doggie. Hopefully ate her share of WHT (Worthless Humanized trash) while werkin with the officers!
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on April 21, 2015, 08:02:18 PM
All or part black on the hood?
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 09:06:53 PM
All or part black on the hood?
I think all black

Underside will remain OD Green

Reason is that masking off an area and blacking that out might suggest an attempt at style. Whereas all black is just business, and that is definitely what the truck is about so, all black it is.

Would already have been black, but have had three days of high humidity which doesn't work well with painting unless one can live with the cloudy white areas.

looks like tomorrow will be paint day for everything remaining
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 09:08:20 PM
And I promised a Ranger pic

One here, but I'll post more over in my hide site thread
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:08:23 PM
Got some things installed and some more painted

Almost have a truck coalescing in the garage!

Starting with the front fender flares or trim or whatever you call those things, I cleaned and sanded them both

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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
Then fitted them to the fenders for trimming
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:10:15 PM
Once trimmed up they received several coats of the John Deere Blitz semi-flat black
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:11:32 PM
After drying in the sun for awhile, I brought them in and applied the two sided 3M trim tape and installed them on the fenders
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:13:54 PM
They fit John American and Dr. Yeng's fender company replica of a decent American product.

While I was messing around the front, I set the grill in place just to see how much it is off from fitting

Surprisingly not very far at all!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:19:12 PM
Hmmm...Sure would be easier than building out that war wagon thing that I grudgingly agreed to possibly think about considering to build.

Not trying to sound non committal or anything like that, but scratch that chrome up some, lay down some OD green and I'm on to bigger and heavier things!

The hood hinges got installed. Remember those holes I drilled through them way back in part 2 I think?? Well here's how that works to align everything back up:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:21:45 PM
Next I sanded down the hood and shot two coats of Black semi flat with hardener, but I got a paint reaction in a couple of spots. So right now I don't know if it is a keeper or a redo??
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Post by: KensAuto on April 22, 2015, 07:38:03 PM
Let it dry a couple days, scuff, and put a light fog coat on it. Should be alright. That happens when you don't let it tack up between coats!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 09:16:50 PM
I gave the louver panels a coat of Black as well preceeded by the acid etch primer
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 09:18:59 PM
Let it dry a couple days, scuff, and put a light fog coat on it. Should be alright. That happens when you don't let it tack up between coats!
It's now been a couple hours since shooting the two coats. I definitely had a reaction in about a dozen spots. I was thinking I'd let it set up then go over it with a block and some #600 wet paper, then as you suggest, dust on a top coat and see if I can get away with just blending in lieu of a repaint
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 09:19:36 PM
It set up with the wrinkles!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 09:21:20 PM
With C-Max looking on from the driveway, thus ended another work day, #243 in the resurrection of Square D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 22, 2015, 10:48:55 PM
Was there moisture in the air?
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 09:26:45 AM
Was there moisture in the air?
Some, but that's not it.

Definitely a reaction from layers below.

Morning now and I just checked it. I think I'll need to repaint the whole thing. Possibly reseal it then lay down a fresh coat of my J-Deere paint.

I'll know more after I block sand an area then spray over to experiment...
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Post by: KensAuto on April 23, 2015, 10:59:35 AM
Is the JD lacquer? That stuff will go all the way down and melt the bondo!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 11:20:17 AM
Is the JD lacquer? That stuff will go all the way down and melt the bondo!

No, Valspar enamel
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Post by: BobbyB on April 23, 2015, 01:50:14 PM
Why don't you sand it down, and vinyl wrap it?
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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 23, 2015, 04:57:12 PM
Why don't you sand it down, and vinyl wrap it?

Yeah, like on the tactical bike, that really looked............on second thought, just sand and paint like you were going to or it will turn out like that first GLO differential cover  :'(
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:06:13 PM
Rest easy my skeptical friends, everything is well in hand

So this is what it dried looking like in a few spots:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:08:50 PM
So I quickly sanded down the bad area on the nose of the hood and shot a couple light coats over it to see if there was a chance of making this job turn out or I would just have to reset and paint the whole thing again

It turned out fine:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:09:50 PM
So I did the next section:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:11:36 PM
Those back areas were the worse, so I took some time to wet sand them completely before cleaning and repainting.

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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:12:30 PM
I wasn't satisfied with the outcome
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:13:58 PM
So I primed it and laid down another coat
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:17:46 PM
That shot was of the second reaction I had. After some testing I discovered the Valspar was reacting with the Lacquer based primer I had used, so I switched to the U-Pol primer and achieved one-ness with the universe

While all that was happening, I wanted to tape up the air ducts in the hood to keep debris out of the hood liner underside. I figure the KAMs (Kentucky Attack Mice) would be enough to contend with I didn't want to make it any easier on them with readily available nest building materials.

Aluminum foil tape is my go to choice here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:19:25 PM
With that all sealed up in an aluminum sort of way, on with the louvers the King said!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:21:20 PM
I ran out of washers, so I'll have to redo all those screws, but it is mostly done. I'll call that project in the bag for now!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:24:24 PM
I decided to take another run at that ill fitting grill and valence panel. Looking at it, if I made a small clearance cut, I could get that thing to fit.

And I was thinking of all that work to build some mad-max grill. I am getting covered up with projects, so I now just want to get the grill on. So I fitted the piece and made the cuts and repainted it
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:25:52 PM
It would be resting right on the bulgy intercooler, so I padded the tanks with some DynaMat
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:26:45 PM
And the valance panel bolted right up!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:28:37 PM
So on to the grill. Scrubbing, disassembly, sanding and more scrubbing
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:30:05 PM
It took a LOT of sanding and cleaning to get it to a paint ready condition
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:31:44 PM
But finally, it was ready and I gave it a good coat of Epoxy sealer/primer front and back
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:35:19 PM
Now, since it is a grill and considering I wanted to build some of the truck's heritage back into it, I decided to paint the thing the original dark silver accent color of the truck when Dodge built it

I don't know how or if it will match, so this may become some elaborate experiment, but for now, it's dark silver metallic!

You may recall that I painted the wheels the same color so it will carry that theme somewhat I think
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:36:21 PM
While I was at it, I also painted the new aft electrical panel:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:37:25 PM
And that right there is the end of a pretty productive build day #244!
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Post by: Nate on April 23, 2015, 07:02:04 PM
nice progress
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Post by: JR on April 23, 2015, 11:18:33 PM
Now doesn't all that black set off nicely with the OD, Nice Choice.

Funny on the paint, never had paint bleed like that from primer. Have the other way around enamel under Lacquer.

If someone needs a doner; http://modesto.craigslist.org/pts/4933587006.html
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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 24, 2015, 06:30:35 AM
And the Kentucky Attack Mice said,

"RATS! Foiled Again"...........
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 24, 2015, 08:09:15 AM
Now doesn't all that black set off nicely with the OD, Nice Choice.

Funny on the paint, never had paint bleed like that from primer. Have the other way around enamel under Lacquer.

If someone needs a doner; http://modesto.craigslist.org/pts/4933587006.html
I can't figure out that bleeding thing either

I sprayed some test paint...Primer first followed by a wet paint coat after primer dried and got a small reaction
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 24, 2015, 08:09:43 AM
And the Kentucky Attack Mice said,

"RATS! Foiled Again"...........

Good one!
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Post by: cruizng on April 24, 2015, 10:56:29 AM
Looking good Don! I can almost hear it rumble.
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Post by: JR on April 24, 2015, 02:29:39 PM
Looking good Don! I can almost hear it rumble.

That must be a video for sure!!!
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Post by: akraven on April 24, 2015, 04:18:26 PM
Don
  I made it through all the threads and am finally caught up. Great job on the build and quality work . Definitely snagged a few ideas along the way for my truck.
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Post by: Drunksailor on April 24, 2015, 04:35:26 PM
Another day in the life of Don's paint booth, looks good.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:21:50 AM
Don
  I made it through all the threads and am finally caught up. Great job on the build and quality work . Definitely snagged a few ideas along the way for my truck.
Saw you from over at expo Portal.

Welcome aboard!

You got the concept. I am doing this both for my own usage, and also to share with as many folks as possible, how to kit out a vehicle for tactical purposes
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:23:34 AM
Another day in the life of Don's paint booth, looks good.
Seth,

Yep, lots of painting. Now we have to black out part of the sides and then later on we will have to coat up the new bumpers, side rails and belly pans.

I'm tired of painting!

But, wait...I still need to spray Big Red!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:27:55 AM
Time for my excuse post

I did get some more work done on SquareD, but no time to post it up tonight.

Today was a scramble. Get the grill built up, and installed, cut 2.5 acres of grass, change out the flat tire on the trailer, Weld the rear leg back on (It got ripped off in my farm driveway), get the box scraper hooked to the tractor, get the tractor back on the trailer for the possible weekend trip down south, shower, feed the boys, and get to church by 1900. Then finally got home @2330 and now it's 0027 and I'm hittin the sheets

Post it up in the morn!

Guten Nacht!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:19:50 PM
OK, got my beauty sleep

And, know what?

I think I got a little better lookin' last night

Mostly just below my right eye down and back a bit, I noticed a small area that was definitely a little better lookin'!

OK, back to the truck stuff...You knuckleheads don't care or want to hear about my knoggin, you're here to read about that cool Dodge, (And occasionally about the RDA (Red dog antics) and Ranger or even the pre-rangers)

So yestertag was the grill completin' day

It looks like what I wanted it to. Sort of a high techy metallic look that connects this militarized hybrid to it's farmer and blue collar roots.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:22:58 PM
First up I had to fix the cracked grill insert. Three were super-duper, and one was on it's way out. Not wanting to buy some inferior Dr. Yeng's body parts company item, I just resurrected the broken one by cleaning, sanding, and gluing some reinforcing strips in there. I left the cracks obvious to hint at the rough beginnings of this old battle horse
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:25:30 PM
Then the sanding fest where I removed several substrates of skin I was growing for the years to come.
After I had removed all hint of my epidermis, I had some well prepped parts that got sprayed and would have made a Black Panther wanna-be, proud!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:35:06 PM
Trash cans make great work tables don't they?

I wonder how they'd do as welding tables???

OK, so I assembled the grill leaving the D-O-D-G-E letters the same color as the grill to give it a more techy look

See where I'm slowly becomin' fashion conscious?

Little story: It started a few weeks ago.
Sitting in church, my lovely wife commented, "See how the pastor dresses so fashionably? Why don't you?"
Hmmm, never thought about it much. I am not your typical metro sexual candidate, I'm just a country boy after you clean off the dust.
I considered my jeans and picture window print Eddie-Bauer shirt and Tommy Hilfiger signature belt, and my closed toe sandals done in blue with olive green accent stripes. My hair was cut "Man style" which is to say, just short with no real style, just "serviceable."
Then I considered my elegant lady. Heels, of course, tight fitting jeans which are always dangerous, some leporard skin top with a matching scarf and a jacket. Earrings, pearls and foo-foo hair. She is always a stunner, which I just take for granted...but it got me thinkin'

Then she leaned over and whispered, "You need to get in touch with your femine side a bit more." Like Bruce Jenner is doing, I started thinking? Me, well, NO. But she was asking me to style up so I wasn't draggin' her down while she walked around lookin like some model.

So I started thinkin' about style...Then I forgot all about it, and that's my story!

So back to the build. Ah yes the grill:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
Then, using brandly new stainless #10 screws I permanized it:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
I just love the unapologetic lines of these classic Dodge trucks. Just plain and ordinary and square. No F-15 drop tank look here, just a big blunt instrument.

Then I spied two boxes that for two growing seasons have blocked my view of that prudy Jap maple. I yanked them, noting that they had begun to grow roots into the window sill, and opened them to discover two shiny new parking light lenses!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:42:26 PM
Using a slightly longer screw, I set them in their places with those techy LED bulbs fitted and ended up with this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:43:27 PM
Ya know, I can't decide if that grill matches the OD green??

Does it?

Know what else?

I don't really care!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:47:54 PM
Time was definitely agin' me (hillybilly talk, as "you're either wit' me or agin' me)
Still had to change out the busted trailer wheel and weld up the busted off leveling leg, and our church is having a 4 day conference that is really a Revival, and I'm not missin' that for the sake of truck parts!

So I had time to build up the aft electrical panel in prep for the "running of the wires."

U, C, in the tucky, we have the runnin' of the thoroughbreds down in Lexington, but in Don's garage, all I have is the runnin' of the wires!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:49:26 PM
All that business would be an inverter, a solar panel control unit, some switches, ground posts and rear mounted (not shown) hot bus
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:50:41 PM
It fit right in there like it was jigged up or something!

Showing the opposite side as well
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:52:26 PM
And that right there is the end of build messin' around day #245
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Post by: JR on April 25, 2015, 03:00:31 PM
May want to think about a cover of some type for the elec panel so no one just drops a tool or something across those leds.

I had to glue my grill too. Just some good dabs of JB quick did it up nice.

I use 2 of those LED lights in the garage (pointing across) and another out front for a work light, working great and holding up great too.

I want to see how that tranny works for you. I am at the point I am looking at what to do with mine. I have the same tranny but most are pushing for a LU TC.

How about a rear view showing the tires sticking out before your gone a for a few days?? 
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Post by: BobbyB on April 25, 2015, 04:24:17 PM
I like the contrast on the front end with the gray and OD.
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Post by: Sammconn on April 25, 2015, 04:51:24 PM
Ya know, I can't decide if that grill matches the OD green??

Does it?

Know what else?

I don't really care!

I think I like it. It's dark enough not to scream and gives a bit of break up to the color scheme.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 05:35:20 PM
May want to think about a cover of some type for the elec panel so no one just drops a tool or something across those leds.

I had to glue my grill too. Just some good dabs of JB quick did it up nice.

I use 2 of those LED lights in the garage (pointing across) and another out front for a work light, working great and holding up great too.

I want to see how that tranny works for you. I am at the point I am looking at what to do with mine. I have the same tranny but most are pushing for a LU TC.

How about a rear view showing the tires sticking out before your gone a for a few days?? 
OK, shot of rear tire stickage-outage coming up...
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 05:37:00 PM
Ya know, I can't decide if that grill matches the OD green??

Does it?

Know what else?

I don't really care!

I think I like it. It's dark enough not to scream and gives a bit of break up to the color scheme.

Yea, I'm kinda at the same place with it. Liking it just enough to think it might just work

What I do with the bumper and front end guard uprights will make or break that look
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 05:37:57 PM
In fact, I'm of the mind to hurry up and weld up a winch tray and get that sucker positioned and sitting in there to help me decide how stuff is going to fit up
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Post by: JR on April 25, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
Just bolt that big ol thing back on and set the winch on it get a feel for it. With the grill on, fenders cut, tires and rack your head may start spinning with ideas and we get to see pictures!!!!!
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Post by: Dawg25385 on April 26, 2015, 02:16:36 AM
The Bruce Jenner reference made me laugh...

I'm on board with the gray grill. I like it!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 26, 2015, 07:45:40 AM
Just bolt that big ol thing back on and set the winch on it get a feel for it. With the grill on, fenders cut, tires and rack your head may start spinning with ideas and we get to see pitchers!!!!!
That's crazy talk
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Post by: JR on April 26, 2015, 12:56:27 PM
No more than bringing up BJ here. (makes your head spin huh)
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Post by: OldKooT on April 27, 2015, 07:21:57 AM
No more than bringing up BJ here. (makes your head spin huh)

Proof once again, I should always read the previous posts before the end page.

I like the grill color, it's very vogue.  :D
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Post by: cruizng on April 27, 2015, 11:59:37 AM
Just bolt that big ol thing back on and set the winch on it get a feel for it. With the grill on, fenders cut, tires and rack your head may start spinning with ideas and we get to see pitchers!!!!!
That's crazy talk

Looking great as usual! I'm kinda missin that big fat lip front bumper too... Gave it a Gump look.  :)
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Post by: KensAuto on April 27, 2015, 02:32:33 PM
I miss the bumper as well, bold and not so beautiful.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 27, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
I'm vogue?

Norm, fashion statements comin' from a farmer?? Just sayin ;-))

Mamma said, "Son don't you build no ugly bumper!"
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 27, 2015, 03:58:23 PM
Thinking about this except made from wood, pressure treated of course!

I'd modify the design with a ridge vent and some 30 year shingles!

Honestly this bumper build was just too ugly NOT TO POST!
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Post by: Dawg25385 on April 27, 2015, 04:28:28 PM
That looks like something B. A. Baracus would fabricate on an episode of the A-Team

Well lookie here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7zc1iySY1I
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Post by: EL TATE on April 27, 2015, 05:45:14 PM
Mama's don't let your babies grow up to be fabricators...make em be pilots 'n nco's 'n such.
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Post by: KensAuto on April 27, 2015, 07:09:03 PM
That thing probably weighs more than the truck!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 27, 2015, 08:37:03 PM
That thing probably weighs more than the truck!
Right you are Mr. Kenneth
Tractor is hovering around 8500 and the trailer, what 1600 for the trailer, so a tad over 10K behind my 8700 lb truck. Total load approaching 19,000 lbs

Heck I pulled it up one hill down there and stretched the frame!

Really!

My truck is now 2" longer than when I departed!

I figure with going to the farm as often as I do, I'll own a long bed crew cab about the end of next month!
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Post by: OldKooT on April 27, 2015, 10:27:33 PM
I may be a farmer but I have good taste in...... well something. I better shut up, I will have to build some bumpers at some point here myself.

And I am sure that Dura-thing can handle that weight. I just towed 21K on the back of my flimsy old Dodge today. Gooseneck's are nice for such stupid stunts.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:51:11 AM
I may be a farmer but I have good taste in...... well something. I better shut up, I will have to build some bumpers at some point here myself.

And I am sure that Dura-thing can handle that weight. I just towed 21K on the back of my flimsy old Dodge today. Gooseneck's are nice for such stupid stunts.

...Copy

...Concur

I can't find a goose neck mount that will fit on top of my shell!

I'm jest razzin' you about poor taste and no fashion sense and all that.

Heck, I couldn't recognize fashion if I was on the aisle seat by a Paris runway! Come to think about it, I was on a Paris runway a time or two...

So last night I was over at the fire house. I am a sitting board member on the local fire district. I wore some stylin all faded wrong jeans that don't fit right that my wife bought for me. Wore an Oakley polo/golf shirt over that with some geeky belt she also bought for me.

The firemen were all in blue uniforms and black boots. Everyone else (farmers) were in some form of work boot, bibbed overalls or work pants and long sleeved H.D. looking work shirt. I thought about this thread and the fashion/farmer thing and chuckled to myself.

Get that Dodge comin' up. It's nearly May!
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Post by: OldKooT on April 28, 2015, 03:09:24 PM
I know almost May.... I keep getting sidetracked.  Today I bought a car trailer load of Dana-Spicer parts..... not sure why. But I spent 3 hours loading them from their storage location.

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Post by: cudakidd53 on April 28, 2015, 03:14:05 PM
Better "Fashion Up" Don, even Ranger sports that flashy red collar to match the Mrs. nail polish in that picture!

Just don't go "Jenner" on us and let some red polish poke through on the next Mandals shot!  :o
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Post by: JR on April 28, 2015, 06:27:16 PM
I know almost May.... I keep getting sidetracked.  Today I bought a car trailer load of Dana-Spicer parts..... not sure why. But I spent 3 hours loading them from their storage location.

That sounds interesting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: wilsonphil on April 28, 2015, 06:48:09 PM
I know almost May.... I keep getting sidetracked.  Today I bought a car trailer load of Dana-Spicer parts..... not sure why. But I spent 3 hours loading them from their storage location.

What! no pictures?  Are you sure this wasn't bags of fertilizer and you just don't want to tell us?
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:43:43 PM
Just don't go "Jenner" on us and let some red polish poke through on the next Mandals shot!  :o


Me-Jenner
Nothing in common
Not much chance of any of that foolishness going on here.
Now pretend I can't hear (Honey, get the trash) or I'm not feeling well (Don, let's go out to dinner with my family this sunday after church) or I'm broke (Honey, I think we need a new bed and new carpet in the bedroom)

Yea, stuff like that, I slip a bit from time to time.
But
Knowing that I stand to take a p___, well, no confusion there!

I thought this was someone else's thread with all this DOTin' up the place, was surprised when I scrolled up and rediscovered it was my "build thread."

So anyhow, let me purify the place for at least a few posts before the numbskulls have their way with all my hard and devoted work and writin' up!

Today I did some stuff, and that's tonight's update!
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Post by: KensAuto on April 28, 2015, 08:47:47 PM
Nice update. :sarcasticsmurk
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:48:18 PM
I'm doing some "Punch-out" list stuff in prep to getting this thing running so JR won't have high blood pressure. I care about the man after all. He took care of us all those years, so I ought to let him hear the engine run just a bit

I need to add something like 4 gallons of transmission fluid, so I started with the first two gallons. There is a cool little adapter supplied to aid in adding fluid. Because of the nature of transmission fluid, it still leaked all over my fresh wheel wells. I swear, that stuff will run uphill given half a chance!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:50:15 PM
Next, I had to tighten some bolts around the engine. Here, I had to tighten the Power Steering pump down. These nuts are accessible from the underside:
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Post by: Sammconn on April 28, 2015, 08:50:49 PM
There is pics in another thread. I guess he was trying not to junk up this one too badly.
So, big D, it's all yours again.

I know of no fluid that will cover the surface area of an ounce of ATF will.

Sorry Don, carry on...
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:52:33 PM
The wiring in the rear was my next focus. Using the new stick-um wire loom catches, I secured the loose wires. They will be slipped inside a flexible sheath before I call it all done, but this will keep things organized for now
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:53:12 PM
There is pics in another thread. I guess he was trying not to junk up this one too badly.
So, big D, it's all yours again.

I know of no fluid that will cover the surface area of an ounce of ATF will.

Sorry Don, carry on...
I got this... ;-))
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:55:12 PM
I needed a spot to run wires from the inside to the outside of the bed area. I decided to open up a hole, then cover it with a silicone rubber boot and just shove wires through that membrane. Using an old intercooler boot, I cut a section out and secured it with a fuel pump spacer
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
That turned out to be pretty stout. I had to poke a hole first then shove the wire through that
Here I am routing the hot wire from the fuse block to the 400 amp mega fuse block
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 08:58:38 PM
The juice comes from this fuse. You may remember my installing it six or seven years ago
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 09:00:23 PM
Then I mounted the new six-gang fuse block directly to the inside of the topper where I could easily access it

Mostly, I just like looking at all those screws showing up all over the place!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 09:01:54 PM
Through the magic of electron flow through copper, the light now works!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 09:03:14 PM
I started to cover the exposed wires with the convoluted tubing
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 09:04:37 PM
THings getting wired up and coming to life

The solar panel was makin' juice in the garage!
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 09:05:38 PM
And now I have 115VAC available in the truck bed
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 09:06:56 PM
All the areas that were drilled or cut or otherwise abused got a spray with the amber anti rust (anti-anything) to seal em' up
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 09:08:45 PM
The antenna was bugging me because the mast pole was not as flexy as I wanted and it was only just barely long enough to hook into the catch.

I solved both issues by adding this nifty stainless steel spring thing-ah-ma-jig
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2015, 09:11:41 PM
Ranger took up part of my day. Little guy had to get inspected from top to bottom, left to right, and stem to stern by the local vet. He was pronounced very healthy and I was told he was pretty big for only 9 weeks. Then I had to give the little guy a bath, and that surely ate into my day, but the black face of deaf ranger guy appreciated it.

So ends build day 246!

More at cha later!
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Post by: Sammconn on April 28, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
It's all coming together!
Observation/question. I see the yellow lug on the inverter power lead (10-12 awg). I'm sure you did you're homework, just want to make sure you have adequate wire #10 and fusing on the supply. The 12 volt side can see over 33 +/- amps at 400 watts.
Inverters are awesome, just some don't realize the wire requirement to supply sufficient power safely and reliably.
Like the repurposing of the IC boot.
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Post by: JR on April 29, 2015, 01:14:31 AM
Good day there Don.

BP is in check but I think I speak for a couple more besides myself,,,,,,,,,,,,

#10 should be OK if it is high count stranded copper. I have pushed much more than that through it man times.
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Post by: OldKooT on April 29, 2015, 10:44:44 AM
I like that fuel pump spacer idear. I might copy that when I route a few of my trucks 11 total wires.

So any plan on how your going to do your rear springs? I figured I may as well let you engineer that before I tackle mine is why I am asking  ;)

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Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:09:14 PM
So any plan on how your going to do your rear springs? I figured I may as well let you engineer that before I tackle mine is why I am asking  ;)

Norm,

I'm going to use Jungle's front mounts, maybe welded on maybe bolted...I don't like drillin' holes, so welding is a quick go to for that nonsense

Going with the 2001 Chevy Silverado non-HD rear springs like I described, 64" long and a set of Ruff Stuff shackle flippers. I guess I'll have to rethink the exhaust. Maybe I'll run a stack up through the passenger seat and out the window! No one would expect that!
Springs are 2000ish each I think, but I might have gotten that wring. Forgot that number along with my and the Frau's anniversary...oh well...
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:11:43 PM
It's all coming together!
Observation/question. I see the yellow lug on the inverter power lead (10-12 awg). I'm sure you did you're homework, just want to make sure you have adequate wire #10 and fusing on the supply. The 12 volt side can see over 33 +/- amps at 400 watts.
Inverters are awesome, just some don't realize the wire requirement to supply sufficient power safely and reliably.
Like the repurposing of the IC boot.
I think I have #8 0n that hot supply and doubled up #12's for the ground. I installed a smallish 20 amp fuse to stop things right there. I see my using a confuser or maybe a portable ice chest frig thing, not much more. I really put it in there for what I hadn't thought of yet.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:13:27 PM
Well Duane and I hefted that not so shiny black hood on today!
Yippee!
Starting to look more and more like a pickem up truck.
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:16:26 PM
There's a lot of body panel adjusting which must take place when you have pulled everything off for a frame up. So the hood hinges got adjusted so many times there is no paint left around the bolts any longer. Then I discovered one has to adjust each fender (again) which means you have to remove all that stuff you put on like the grill and lights and things like that.

Along the way, I had to level the hood with the use of these universal hood bumpers I got from RedNeck's "Clip" shop link
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:18:29 PM
Yes, I did knock the paint off the fenders already fitting that hood. But fear not, they are already spot painted in and lookin' spiffy!

Everything gets adjusted. I ended shimming up the hold down latch which for some reason was too low with the new Dr. Yeng chinaman's fender replica
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Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:19:28 PM
The underside of the hood is looking good with that new pad and heat vents:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:20:05 PM
And here it is starting to go back together again:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:21:25 PM
Finally got the hood to close properly but not fitting perfectly. Ya know what?? It's a truck...This is going to be good enough!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:22:23 PM
Lights back in and done for now
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:26:01 PM
That's all I had time for today, and the conclusion of build day 247
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:28:37 PM
Now pushing ahead, we are about to get into either the bumper projects or the longer rear springs and shackle flip...any suggestions??

So I have been looking across the inter-sphere at different designs and have compiled some candidates from which I might use some features to come up with my own stuff.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:29:58 PM
My favorite so far is this combo bumper/grill guard
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:30:57 PM
Found this universal design someone worked out for Ford Broncos. Again, food for thought
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2015, 09:35:56 PM
And some RS (Ranger sightings)

Unfortunately the red dog stopped chewing up my screwdrivers and started on Ranger parts. I predict this activity won't last long as the little black face of deaf is growing like a weed and will soon be snackin' on the red dog!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: wilsonphil on April 29, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
longer rear springs and shackle flip...any suggestions??


Is there a reason you want to run a different setup in the back?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Pulley on April 30, 2015, 12:24:49 AM
I'm really loving the way it looks, awesome job. I would end up using it as a daily driver if it was mine. I actually saw a pretty cool bumper build on duramax forum that looks like a ranch hand. I'll put the link here. http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/exterior/151149-my-bumper-build.html (http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/exterior/151149-my-bumper-build.html)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on April 30, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
I really like the mounts he made. Don, I like the look of your current favorite as well. Simple and strong looking. The bus guard lends itself to the exoskeleton also.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 30, 2015, 01:26:10 AM
Don, I like your bumper Idea but I would use square lights, it just fits! Full frontal protection and you have a spot to run safety wires up to the rack.

Keep the rear in the same fashion, squared off. Protection is the idea.

I love the way the hood looks but what do you think about running the black over to the edge? Little work and you have a full non reflective bonnet  ;D

Kinda like this;
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 08:44:48 AM
longer rear springs and shackle flip...any suggestions??


Is there a reason you want to run a different setup in the back?
I like the flexability and overall increased range of travel the longer springs can provide. Plus, I have noted leaf springs seem to work well within a given range of travel. So if you are working a 52" spring up and down some 12" it goes to it's limit with each stroke. It seems to stiffen up quite a bit right there when it is about to hit limits.
If you take a 64" spring and work it the same 12" it remains well within the normal range of travel it can accommodate, really only reaching about 60%-70% of design limits so it is working less.

Further I have to believe, although I have no proof, that the longer spring will see less fatigue from extreme ranges of travel that the shorter spring will have.

I think Dodge chose the shorter spring because of a packaging concern. Looking at it, things are tucked in there nicely with not a lot of extra room in some areas. A 52" spring solved the packaging issue along with saving on overall costs through just using less steel, while providing an acceptable degree of comfort and performance.

Since my vehicle is built for extremis, I am punching out everything to handle a whole bunch more of anything.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 08:46:07 AM
I'm really loving the way it looks, awesome job. I would end up using it as a daily driver if it was mine. I actually saw a pretty cool bumper build on duramax forum that looks like a ranch hand. I'll put the link here. http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/exterior/151149-my-bumper-build.html (http://www.duramaxforum.com/forum/exterior/151149-my-bumper-build.html)
Well if we ever have a Real Man meet and you show, you go take SquareD for a cruise...I'll buy the gas!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 08:47:04 AM
I really like the mounts he made. Don, I like the look of your current favorite as well. Simple and strong looking. The bus guard lends itself to the exoskeleton also.
What I was thinking
Simple, strong, growth potential...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 08:50:24 AM
I love the way the hood looks but what do you think about running the black over to the edge? Little work and you have a full non reflective bonnet  ;D

Kinda like this;

Disapproved!

Apply later for final disapproval

Ya know JR, it's good enough for now.

But if I ever see some reflective issue, it will become asphalted if necessary!

You were the one that drove the black hood, so thanks goes out to you my retired law enforcement bro, for that strong look we got with the front end.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on April 30, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
FIRE it up!
what's all this bumper nonsense! !!


Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:45:13 AM
FIRE it up!
what's all this bumper nonsense! !!




Oh yea, that...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on April 30, 2015, 10:31:32 AM
Haha.

It would be killin' me, if I was in your shoes (or mandels). I would want to know how far that sucker will lay rubber, and how many gears it will do it in, and at what speed!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on April 30, 2015, 10:40:22 AM
I'm with ya Ken! Can't be that far away realistically.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 01:11:29 PM
Haha.

It would be killin' me, if I was in your shoes (or mandels). I would want to know how far that sucker will lay rubber, and how many gears it will do it in, and at what speed!
I'm a law abiding citizen, Ken ;-)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 01:12:48 PM
I'm with ya Ken! Can't be that far away realistically.
Well, just yestertag I was playing with it...couldn't get a fuel system prime. Need another 5 gal of juice to get gravity to do it's thing to the pumps
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on April 30, 2015, 01:22:24 PM
let be honest here.  one of our members named bear owns a bumper building business, even went to school for it.  i believe he even commented on kens build...........?!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 01:32:46 PM
let be honest here.  one of our members named bear owns a bumper building business, even went to school for it.  i believe he even commented on kens build...........?!
OK, let's hear from him!

Bear, you there?

Hey I rhymed...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on April 30, 2015, 01:35:23 PM
let be honest here.  one of our members named bear owns a bumper building business, even went to school for it.  i believe he even commented on kens build...........?!
OK, let's hear from him!

Bear, you there?

Hey I rhymed...

I PM'd him about the possibility of a bumper for XJ. I think he's busy building/finishing some from tax return time.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 30, 2015, 01:36:17 PM
FIRE it up!
what's all this bumper nonsense! !!

I agree and may have heard it before,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Tommy13 on April 30, 2015, 02:09:12 PM
Lookin' great Don!  Following all of your builds for a long time.  I've learned a lot that I may never use, but the longer this goes on the harder I look at some of those old square Chebbys I pass on my way to and from work.  Keep up the great work.  I can't wait to see Square D rolling under it's own power.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 02:37:48 PM
Lookin' great Don!  Following all of your builds for a long time.  I've learned a lot that I may never use, but the longer this goes on the harder I look at some of those old square Chebbys I pass on my way to and from work.  Keep up the great work.  I can't wait to see Square D rolling under it's own power.
It's coming along

Might even be done some day!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Tommy13 on April 30, 2015, 02:43:54 PM
These projects NEVER finish.  They evolve.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 30, 2015, 05:25:49 PM
These projects NEVER finish.  They evolve.

THIS is NOT a project, it's a fluid change and basic maintenance to make it road worthy!  Could you imagine if this had been a full on restoration, the number of boxes still blocking the view of that Japanese Maple!  ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 30, 2015, 05:27:39 PM
Love that final photo of "Ranger" sporting the look of, "is that all you two big dogs got?" ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 08:29:08 PM
These projects NEVER finish.  They evolve.
Affirmative
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 08:30:52 PM
Love that final photo of "Ranger" sporting the look of, "is that all you two big dogs got?" ;D
I'm pleased that he is NOT a high drive Shepherd. I think a "normal" disposition black faced Shepherd will be plenty enough, thank you very much!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 08:34:17 PM
I worked some on the Dodge today.

I actually got quite a bit finishedized

But, I was in the groove and forgot to take pics of a lot of things, so with abbreviated pic postin', here's the info:

First I wanted to get that under-hood light working. There is a factory hole in the fender up front that is perfect for the light switch
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:00:37 PM
I had laid the wire in under the hood pad which effectively glued it in place so I used some of those wire bundle looms and secured everything
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:01:44 PM
Then the wiring harness was put together. It has weather-pak connectors to make removal possible without cutting
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
So, it is kid tested and pre-Ranger approved!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:03:52 PM
You might not be able to tell, but I worked on securing the under hood wiring harness to make it look a lot more factory
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:05:38 PM
There were a couple wires left to run to the cab switch panel, so I finished those up, and sorted and zip tied all the various wires behind the panel, and mounted that thing for the first time. This is the part where I forgot to take the pics
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:06:20 PM
But after the panel was secured it was looking like this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:08:27 PM
The fit was perfect and it is secure and rattle free

Pic doesn't show it well, but the gages are illuminated and switches are on and the thing is actually working!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:11:25 PM
Obviously there is work yet to complete. I will have to figure out why some lights aren't illuminated in the dash, secure the lower wiring harness(s), paint some stuff, and yank out those horrible seats and awful vinyl flooring.
But the inside is getting pretty close to where I want it to be to launch this ship.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:12:02 PM
And with that, ends another build day, #248
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on April 30, 2015, 09:24:07 PM
I'm pleased that he is NOT a high drive Shepherd. I think a "normal" disposition black faced Shepherd will be plenty enough, thank you very much!

Oh the the energy level is going to come on strong and fast...



Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on April 30, 2015, 09:26:39 PM
I'm pleased that he is NOT a high drive Shepherd. I think a "normal" disposition black faced Shepherd will be plenty enough, thank you very much!

Oh the the energy level is going to come on strong and fast...




Bear will have someone to play with when you guys stop by
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on April 30, 2015, 09:28:47 PM
Good job cappin'!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on April 30, 2015, 10:03:15 PM
I like the under hood light idear. I saved that in my memory for when I actually have a hood to mount it on.

On your spring theory. I aim to test some 64" 3/4T  rears in our truck and see just how well they work to improve the "hobby Horse" issue that club cab and crew cab Dodges have. It's a wheelbase deal that is largely absent in a standard cab truck. If it wasn't for this issue, I wouldn't change the rear springs in ours honestly.

I feel the OEM W250 springs in my daily driver standard cab are too soft really. Then again it most likely often hauls more weight than you intend to for your project. But 1000lbs in the bed and you can feel they are soft. I wouldn't want less spring rate.

Just added the above for food for thought....






Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on April 30, 2015, 11:01:47 PM
It is getting close, nice work.

If there is still room up there in the overhead for other things, are you going to put something to keep stuff from sliding into the back side.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on May 01, 2015, 06:50:39 AM
Bear will have someone to play with when you guys stop by


He may be good on roadtrips around the area, but I doubt he'd appreciate a trip down south then back with a detour to Kentucky. Especially considering I don't stop, except for gas.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 01, 2015, 08:44:25 AM
It is getting close, nice work.

If there is still room up there in the overhead for other things, are you going to put something to keep stuff from sliding into the back side.
No, no more additions up there
Not really a storage shelf, but an avionics shelf...
The shelf unit from Jim has a lip formed in the front and back already if you wanted to throw your Oakley's up there
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 01, 2015, 08:47:32 AM
I like the under hood light idear. I saved that in my memory for when I actually have a hood to mount it on.

On your spring theory. I aim to test some 64" 3/4T  rears in our truck and see just how well they work to improve the "hobby Horse" issue that club cab and crew cab Dodges have. It's a wheelbase deal that is largely absent in a standard cab truck. If it wasn't for this issue, I wouldn't change the rear springs in ours honestly.

I feel the OEM W250 springs in my daily driver standard cab are too soft really. Then again it most likely often hauls more weight than you intend to for your project. But 1000lbs in the bed and you can feel they are soft. I wouldn't want less spring rate.

Just added the above for food for thought....








Noted!

The Silverado springs are uprated over the stockers. I am currently running Skyjacker soft rides...as in brand new, never been driven on, waste of money...yep
Stockers are what 1775 ea? The silvy springs are more, but I will routinely be carrying the extra fuel tank, say 1/3rd full, a spare tire, big bumper, maybe a rear winch, and three 5 gal water cans, along with spare parts, survival gear and a down pillow!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 01, 2015, 10:44:03 AM
When I was looking for my springs the Sky Jackers and pro comps were always given a bad review. I also notice later when I got other parts (been an expensive month) there were special notes if you bought those brands.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on May 01, 2015, 12:40:01 PM
Coming together well. It's still early and you may not be done under the hood but noticed there is no air filter and piping on the turbo yet. I suspect it's likely on the shelf and soon coming.

WE WANT TO SEE IT RUN!  ::)

And at this rate the bumpers may end up in a "Part 7".
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 01, 2015, 07:32:07 PM
DO YOU WANT TO SEE IT RUN????

I will likely be using the stock air box, although modified along with the stock supply hose, but I am going to fully enclose that inside of the fender so that the snorkel system will function.

For now, I am leaving all that off because I want to be able to use the old 2 X 6 or Duane's hand to cover the turbo should a run-away occur

Part 7?? Man we still have something like 30 more pages to go here before we start crazy talk like that!  :o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 02, 2015, 06:51:03 PM
This is starting to sound like a "stimulase program" as any "normal" person would just get that bugger fired up just because they could!

30 pages, sure you could, but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Lets here it run
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 02, 2015, 09:05:02 PM
This is the thread that motivates me, it drives my desire to wrench on our project, it feeds my thirst for ideas and knowledge. I built a weed sprayer today while I wait....  ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 02, 2015, 10:17:36 PM
I have a few odds and ends to get done. like figure out the trans shift linkage and kick down mechanism, and I still don't have brakes, but I think I'll chock it up and start it up...if it will, this coming week.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 02, 2015, 11:39:55 PM
Heck I haven't got a final plan on my engine/tranny combo yet. I have all the same to do and more, plus mine didn't start with a CTD.

Don, don't get me wrong. Your build has motivated a lot of what is happening here, all around.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 03, 2015, 08:20:11 AM
Heck I haven't got a final plan on my engine/tranny combo yet. I have all the same to do and more, plus mine didn't start with a CTD.

Don, don't get me wrong. Your build has motivated a lot of what is happening here, all around.
JR, I don't get you wrong
Hey, we're real men here
Steely eyed killers, all!
Don't be getting all girly on me here!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 03, 2015, 02:45:20 PM
Just giving credit where credit is due even with the DOT side notes  8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 03, 2015, 08:11:30 PM
Just giving credit where credit is due even with the DOT side notes  8)

Copy!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
The ball got moved down-field a bit more today

But first, JR, here's the late coming pics showing tire to fender lip clearance with the HMMV wheels B.S. set around 3.5"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:02:52 PM
I did an all day mammoth cleaning and garage reset. I needed it. Work was slowing down because of the mess and missing parts and tools. It took awhile, but things are now where they should be.

On the table is parts of things to come

With the rear spring swap project eminent the table is now a collection of parts which will be either used or selected through for fitment. I have 5 different sets of shackles to choose from so I can do some fine tuning
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:05:02 PM
I also have The supplied angle wedges to re-angle the axle housing if need be. These are cut from steel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:06:41 PM
The front and rear spring hangers are pretty stout. Haven't decided if I am going to weld them on or bolt them on. I hate drilling big holes!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:07:45 PM
Also found my T/V cable during the cleanup, so that will get installed right away
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:08:40 PM
Looky here...Fewer boxes and a red jap maple clearly visible through my very dirty windows
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:10:40 PM
With an assist from Tate, I got to Morgan, the hub guy over at Yukon gear and Randy's R&P

We talked enough about the issues I was having so that I finally figured the problem I was having out
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:17:41 PM
I was happy to discover I had only misplaced, lost, or vacuumed up a few of the parts...some nylon washers for the screws that hold on the outer selector. The problem has been the spring. As you try to insert the coupling assembly, the spring unwinds just a bit and falls into the outer lock ring retaining groove of the hub. That kills any attempt to push that geat assembly into the hub any further.

Morgan suggested I get a smallish screwdriver and "Work the spring out of the groove while applying pressure to the gear until it finally unseats and conforms to the space it was designed to fill.

I went one better and I think this technique is a keeper. Take a small length of electricians tape and wrap (Stretch it around the loose end. Keep that end facing out, then take the gear and push back. The spring will slide into the groove, but with a little coaxing of a screwdriver small enough to fit between the hub and the gear. one little poke and the thing slid together!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:19:02 PM
I found it quite impossible to use the supplied spacer which for my application is .196" thick so I left it out
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:22:04 PM
Two other components are assembled into the hub then secured with one of Yukon's snap ring things, then the outer hub can be bolted on to finish the job. I torgued each screw to 140 ft lbs!




You believe that?


Maybe 140 inch pounds! but I used ST torque (Sorta tight)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:25:08 PM
And just like that I was done with an abbreviated SDWD (Square D Work Day).

Feel a little cheated?

Well, you'll have to deal with those misplaced emotions.

Man I had to fuss with the web site for hours, then waste time on emails, then cut the grass, then go get the red dog at the groomers (Wanted to leave it there, but they called!) train the black death Ranger dog, and finally get some time on the new/old Dodge
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 07, 2015, 12:31:14 AM
Thanks for the Pics, the spacing looks great with 3.5, which way to go!!

I like the hubs, looks finished and gives me some forward sight on my install. In fact I emailed Tate today about parts!

Gotta post in my thread, been a very expensive week and parts are flowing in  ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 07, 2015, 07:39:39 AM
Don where did you get those spring hangers in your picture?

I just changed that TV cable on my Daily truck last week. Amazingly still available from Dodge to the tune of $120.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Atkinsmatt on May 07, 2015, 08:17:58 AM
Glad the hubs are done.  Great build.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 08:57:36 AM
Don where did you get those spring hangers in your picture?

I just changed that TV cable on my Daily truck last week. Amazingly still available from Dodge to the tune of $120.



Norm,
WFO Concepts...I work with Beau
Here:

http://www.wfoconcepts.com/Default.aspx
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:01:03 AM
Don where did you get those spring hangers in your picture?

I just changed that TV cable on my Daily truck last week. Amazingly still available from Dodge to the tune of $120.



I'm not really seeing how that thing works. It doesn't slide back and forth like a cable, but twists like some big long flexible screw...weird.

I'm sure it must be something like, Don, that's a left handed TV cable, you're right handing it...bonehead...!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:06:10 AM
Glad the hubs are done.

Me TOOOOO!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 07, 2015, 10:51:42 AM
I found it quite impossible to use the supplied spacer which for my application is .196" thick so I left it out

Did you reach around and push the axle outwards before trying to install that thrust washer? Those things are pretty important.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 11:24:03 AM
I found it quite impossible to use the supplied spacer which for my application is .196" thick so I left it out

Did you reach around and push the axle outwards before trying to install that thrust washer? Those things are pretty important.
Ken,
No I didn't

But I talked with Morgan about it, about leaving it out and he seemed to be in agreement that if I couldn't get it to line up, then do as I did. He mentioned that some folks had to grind down the spacer somewhat to get it to fit.

Now, having said all that...darnit, I didn't think of pushing out on the axle stub!
Errrrr...
So I sent Morgan at Yukon a message and asked for his advice. If I need to redo it, I will...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on May 07, 2015, 04:41:50 PM
Morgan says: OK to leave out with that hub. You're golden Pony Boy
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: ce_tx on May 07, 2015, 08:05:24 PM
Looks like you are getting closer all the time!!  Everything looks great Don, very jealous of your progress!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 07, 2015, 08:52:56 PM
Morgan says: OK to leave out with that hub. You're golden Pony Boy

Well there you have it big D. I guess since I'm not familiar with those hubs, I should've kept my mouth shut. lol
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
Morgan says: OK to leave out with that hub. You're golden Pony Boy
Schweat!

On to mo-better things
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 08:57:32 PM
OK, another build day has come to a close. Tonight the pictures are awful...my apologies. I got something on the lens and did not notice it so there are spots everywhere.

Oh well, not repeating the day so here goes

First up I cleaned and prepped that TV cable and even partially installed it when I figured out it will not fit a P-Pump motor!!!!!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:00:30 PM
Next I went after the shift linkage. I discovered the bushings in the lower linkage are toast, so that project failed as well. Good thing is I can order the needed parts and get those things fixed. Intent is to start the thing up and I want brakes which I do not have, and I want it to be in park when I start it so I don't get a new entrance into the dining room
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:02:17 PM
But I did get the horn installed and working...Murphy 2/ Don 1
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:03:17 PM
And I brought the fuel level up to 10 gallons with no lower leaks, but the neck is leaking and needs attention
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:05:38 PM
Another small victory, but I'll take it. M2/D2

I always have a pocket project in case the thing I am trying to get done craps out. That pocket project today was to swap out the interiors, so I started with this mess:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:06:47 PM
I laid the new carpet out in the sun to unfold, settle and flatten out. Sun's rays: Check!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
After some wrenching, out came the replacement cool guy seats. Admittedly, I am not cool enough for such seats...what was I thinkin'??
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
Getting barren once again in there
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:10:42 PM
As promised, the wires on the floor were sandwiched between the rubber matt noise cancelling stuff...That will be a very quiet spot!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:12:04 PM
The new carpet fit better when I tossed it in there then to other plastic matt did after I fussed with it for awhile
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:13:10 PM
While I had clear access to the rear, I threw in a couple Boston Acoustic speakers my brother gave me last summer
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:14:10 PM
The rear factory speakers are in like new condition. They are marked "Premium" on the back of the magnet
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:15:02 PM
New units are larger and heavier
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:15:54 PM
I had to solder some wires to the terminals to connect into the factory harness
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:17:05 PM
And after drilling 4 holes each for the #10 stainless screws, the speakers were fitted back into their cavity
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:18:34 PM
Next I cut in the holes for the seat and the belts and reinstalled the factory seat belts
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:19:42 PM
Then the seat was bolted back in
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:21:27 PM
The transfer case shifter was bolted back in , then I cut out the old factory boot and glued in a new leather one. I'll let this all set up tonight then screw it in tomorrow
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2015, 09:22:58 PM
And that boyz and girlies got me to a bit past 2000 and ended build day #250
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Post by: JR on May 07, 2015, 11:46:13 PM
Another good day.

Those are some pretty bad pictures, I just use my phone. Maybe red dog had it.

Must be a reflection but the hood looks OD here.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 07:41:38 AM
Another good day.

Those are some pretty bad pictures, I just use my phone. Maybe red dog had it.

Must be a reflection but the hood looks OD here.
I sprayed some break-free on that cable (And the camera lens without knowing). Then you know when you get the flow of the day moving...Well that happened and as I pushed to get it done by COB, I never checked the camera...won't happen again.
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Post by: Nate on May 08, 2015, 11:09:33 AM
so the end result was m2/d3?
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Post by: moto123 on May 08, 2015, 01:16:47 PM
I am confused by the return of the bench seat.  I thought that was planned to be installed in the bed facing rearward?  Did you really hate the "racing" style seats that much?
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
I am confused by the return of the bench seat.  I thought that was planned to be installed in the bed facing rearward?  Did you really hate the "racing" style seats that much?
Yes, I did not like the racing seats. I couldn't get in the truck because of the leg bolsters and steering wheel interference. Next the rib bolsters are small, for some girly Honda driving man, not a full sized creatine enhanced guy like me. Then the angles were all goofy.

I'll retask them somewhere. And this project evolves...After I put the bench in the bed, I then decided, derrrr!, I need space for extra fuel!

Anyway, I'm happy now, the truck seems to like the arrangement as well!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 02:51:10 PM
so the end result was m2/d3?
Yup
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Post by: BobbyB on May 08, 2015, 03:32:32 PM
I'll retask them somewhere.

Acquire the XJ you saw, remove all interior, make it quiet, reinstall and you could place the racing seats in the rear instead of the bench.
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Post by: EL TATE on May 08, 2015, 05:28:09 PM
I am confused by the return of the bench seat.  I thought that was planned to be installed in the bed facing rearward?  Did you really hate the "racing" style seats that much?
Yes, I did not like the racing seats. I couldn't get in the truck because of the leg bolsters and steering wheel interference. Next the rib bolsters are small, for some girly Honda driving man, not a full sized creatine enhanced guy like me. Then the angles were all goofy.

I'll retask them somewhere. And this project evolves...After I put the bench in the bed, I then decided, derrrr!, I need space for extra fuel!

Anyway, I'm happy now, the truck seems to like the arrangement as well!

Put Recaro seats out of a VW GTI in the wagoneer and hated them every day after. Good call on retaining the bench.
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Post by: OldKooT on May 08, 2015, 05:38:34 PM
A little known fact about Dodge pickups. The LE series seats are firmer than standard pickup seats. The Ramcharger buckets fit nicely in a pickup, the Ramcharger and the vans of similar vintage use the same seats. I always prefer the LE pickup seats personally... So thumbs up on the sat choice LoL

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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:04:56 PM
Positive comments on the seats...and I was talking to the truck today, in private, mind you, and it liked the switch back to old school as well!

So today, I would have moved to start the engine, but I am waiting on that TV cable, need to rework something weird something with the gas pedal, get the linkage bushings and some brakes werkin'

With all that, I said to heck with it, I want to do something fun!

So I did

Before we get into all that business, here's that neato leather transfer case boot I glued up
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:06:57 PM
Looks like the last pic, but this time, it's dry

Moving on, we are going to get some more stuff off the floor and properly stored on the truck somewhere. Since I tripped over the 12K winch chasing after the ranger dog, that has to move

I plan to set the new bumper mount as deep into the frame pocket as I can
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:07:56 PM
And build it so it protrudes about as far as the one on my D-Max truck does
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:10:06 PM
It is a nice tucked in arrangement and not the fat lip look everyone likes so much (not me).

So starting with 1/4" wall X 4" angle, I started to cut
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:13:05 PM
Now don't get all crazy on me..."Don, it's too weak...I'm scared!"  Don't be a Hawk pilot, be a man and wait to see what happens next. It will get plenty strong, heck it already is, so settle down and take a chill pill!

This first fitment shows approximately how the thing will fit, but needs to be cut in more at this point
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:14:56 PM
These 2.5" sections were removed
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
So that it could fit like this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
In that rear corner I will be able to drill through Jims forward spring mount, the frame and the bumper mount. That will make it titanic (OOPS) strong!

I drilled the holes to match up with existing frame holes
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:19:33 PM
These are 7/16" grade 8 frame bolts. They will secure the contraption to the other contraption
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:21:07 PM
And yes, I welded the nuts to the new bumper arms
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:22:24 PM
Next up, I mocked up the winch on a piece of .250 plate steel
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:23:25 PM
And started to cut with the plasma light saber!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:24:28 PM
Then I ended up with this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:25:46 PM
Then the winch mounting holes went in. It is a standard 10" X 4"
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:26:29 PM
Mocked up on the bumper mounts:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:27:45 PM
Then it got skip-welded to the mounts
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:28:48 PM
And here is the winch mocked up for some more panel creatin' and fittin'
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:31:05 PM
That's all she wrote but aien't no fat lady singin' so the show is not over...just an intermission.

Had to make time for a dad/son project. We built a picnic table for the farm and plan to take it down there in the morrow to improve out fighting position there as well.

So ended build day 251...
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Post by: Pulley on May 08, 2015, 10:43:26 PM
I was always told when cutting angle you should have the corner pointing up so your blade is cutting the least amount of material possible. Just some food for thought. Very curious how the bumper will come out. :)
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 10:48:25 PM
I was always told when cutting angle you should have the corner pointing up so your blade is cutting the least amount of material possible. Just some food for thought. Very curious how the bumper will come out. :)
Ah heck...got that wrong as well!

I'm just figuring this out as I go
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 08, 2015, 11:06:50 PM
Looking good Don- gotta ask, WHAT is a TV cable ?  At first I thought you were putting in a monitor system with HBO as an option; then I was thinking Transmission Variation and I'm still "scratching" my knoggin'  :P
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2015, 11:16:03 PM
Looking good Don- gotta ask, WHAT is a TV cable ?  At first I thought you were putting in a monitor system with HBO as an option; then I was thinking Transmission Variation and I'm still "scratching" my knoggin'  :P
Throttle valve
Old school transmixers detect throttle pressure through mechanical means, that being a cable that told the transmission more or less, how much pedal was being applied. It is the thing that caused the trans to downshift into passing gear amongst other things.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 08, 2015, 11:29:59 PM
Duhhh, know I remember.......damn electronic pedals remove that "feel" when that was about to happen in my old school memory bank.
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Post by: JR on May 09, 2015, 12:55:15 AM
Nice start the Don. Can't wait to see the final shape.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 09, 2015, 10:10:40 AM
That's all she wrote but aien't no fat lady singin' so the show is not over...just an intermission.

Had to make time for a dad/son project. We built a picnic table for the farm and plan to take it down there in the morrow to improve out fighting position there as well.

So ended build day 251...

Heavenly Father, please bless Don and his sons with a beautiful day together sharing in your creation as they travel to and from and while working on the farm.

Amen

(Someone might offer up a prayer to protect the tools from the brush hog)  ;)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 09, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
We built a picnic table for the farm and plan to take it down there in the morrow to improve out fighting position there as well.

I'd sure like to know how a picnic table improves your fighting position. 

It must be one helluva table to provide cover and not just concealment..
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Post by: KensAuto on May 09, 2015, 03:31:15 PM
It might be made from 1/2" plate with 3 sides for cover. He didn't say anything about using wood!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:25:30 PM
That's all she wrote but aien't no fat lady singin' so the show is not over...just an intermission.

Had to make time for a dad/son project. We built a picnic table for the farm and plan to take it down there in the morrow to improve out fighting position there as well.

So ended build day 251...

Heavenly Father, please bless Don and his sons with a beautiful day together sharing in your creation as they travel to and from and while working on the farm.

Amen

(Someone might offer up a prayer to protect the tools from the brush hog)  ;)
Thanks my friend

We were protected and the tools are all accounted for. But like always the farm claimed it's fair share. Check out this chunk out of the Toyo that the farm "Road" took from me:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:29:34 PM
We built a picnic table for the farm and plan to take it down there in the morrow to improve out fighting position there as well.

I'd sure like to know how a picnic table improves your fighting position. 

It must be one helluva table to provide cover and not just concealment..
Don't know if it does, but it is a psychological victory to push back at the wild and start to establish a bit of you in the midst of all that
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 11:21:08 PM
Nice start the Don. Can't wait to see the final shape.
Something like this:

I like wood. You can grow replacement bumper parts, or use it for emergency heat!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 10, 2015, 12:04:15 AM
Here's what you need Don.  Buddy of mine bought these for his Unimog.

43inch tires on 20 inch wheels directly off an MRAP

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Post by: JR on May 10, 2015, 01:29:38 AM
Nice start the Don. Can't wait to see the final shape.
Something like this:

I like wood. You can grow replacement bumper parts, or use it for emergency heat!

Thats perfect Don, looks just like the WarWagon hense materials.

That is just a flesh wound on those tires.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 09:06:18 AM
Here's what you need Don.  Buddy of mine bought these for his Unimog.

43inch tires on 20 inch wheels directly off an MRAP


Charles, that there is a whole lot of tire

Remember I am looking at a LMTV myself...if it weren't for fixin' up farms, I'd be driving it down there
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 10, 2015, 11:09:57 AM
I see an online auction for LMTVs starting @4750  what do you think they sell for?
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 03:39:23 PM
I see an online auction for LMTVs starting @4750  what do you think they sell for?
My best guess places their prices between 8K-15K with a few less and one or two more.
Most folks want to sell theirs for 25K-$29,995, and I think they want 10K profit and expect to be talked down 5K ish...

I have an opportunity on one at 15K at the moment. If it were not for the farm, I'd own it.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 10, 2015, 05:46:11 PM
check out IronPlanet, they have about 35 up for auction right now.  Some at Ft Knox and some at Bragg.  I think your estimate is spot on.

I don't know much about parts availability since Stewart and Stevenson in Sealy lost the contract to the WI company whos name escapes me.  Power train seems pretty straightforward.

Are parts readily available?
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 06:22:18 PM
check out IronPlanet, they have about 35 up for auction right now.  Some at Ft Knox and some at Bragg.  I think your estimate is spot on.

I don't know much about parts availability since Stewart and Stevenson in Sealy lost the contract to the WI company whos name escapes me.  Power train seems pretty straightforward.

Are parts readily available?

Parts are more or less universal except for the unique mil stuff. Automotively, though stuff is out there

Oskosh builds them now me thinks

Powertrain is common except for axles. That's somewhat unique. No one uses big 2:1 portal axles anywhere except for the boyz in green

You can get the engine serviced or even turned up at your friendly cat dealer
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Post by: duramaxdarren on May 10, 2015, 07:10:30 PM
don. trying to catch up with everyone and everyone. been soooo busy with the girls and work. just bought our first house in a great neighborhood for the girls. safe for playin the street and our cars and whatnot. lotta projects around the house to do and makin the barbie jeep a true survival machine for allie is on my short list. just wired the house with full internet access and surviellance cameras. anyway i dont want derail the thread anymore but thought id just say hi and square d is looking macho grande!
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Post by: Nate on May 10, 2015, 07:37:16 PM
don, who is this Darren guy?!  I remember a guy named Darren from the bean state , but I thought he fell off the planet.......  ;D cause nobody has heard from him in years...... ;D

I think we have an infiltrator in our midst........ :P


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Post by: Nate on May 10, 2015, 07:37:24 PM
whats  a krakkin Darren, long time no hear from.

how are the 3 ladies of the house doing?  are you feelin out numbered yet?!
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Post by: duramaxdarren on May 10, 2015, 07:49:22 PM
actually allie is just like me and HUGE daddy,s girl. abby is starting to stand up on her on and do the furniture surfing thing. Kara is good loves her fridays home from work with the girls. i have a slight problem with dogs, well busgy more or less. he is not doubt written the escape plan for alcatraz. thats a story for another day. ya the earth was flat for a while for me and i vanished but never outta reach right nate? being back in the field is great but i never sit down in front of a computer. plus we went through a few sleep months of teething and sleep regressions and i almost filed for insanity.
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Post by: Nate on May 10, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
welcome back bro, just stop in ever once in a while and give some schematics on how to run electrical wire..... ;D
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 08:38:18 PM
don. trying to catch up with everyone and everyone. been soooo busy with the girls and work. just bought our first house in a great neighborhood for the girls. safe for playin the street and our cars and whatnot. lotta projects around the house to do and makin the barbie jeep a true survival machine for allie is on my short list. just wired the house with full internet access and surviellance cameras. anyway i dont want derail the thread anymore but thought id just say hi and square d is looking macho grande!
Darren,

You've been AWOL for awhile, have to post a demerit!
But you earned a star with the build-up of Allie's Barbie Jeep 8) (Pink camo I assume!)

OK bro, you know the drill. Don't mess up my threads ;)...I just say that so I can say I did say it, although I know you nor anyone else will listen but I have to make appearances of actually being in charge!

So dive right in and get reacquainted!

Welcome back!
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Post by: duramaxdarren on May 10, 2015, 08:42:15 PM
 ;D On it Sir!!  :)
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 08:43:32 PM
OK everyone Darren^ is a yankee. Forgive him for that, he is not a liberal! Boston type, electrician, husband, dad and all around good guy. OK intros concluded!

It was a Sunday so the day got gobbled up and Momma's day as well so my wallet got gobbled up as well, but the food was marvelous and seeing my bride in that outfit she bought with my SquareD project money made it worth it!

But I did have time to do some bumper thinkin'

Ever hear of someone starting with a clean sheet of paper?

Well, this is what that looks like:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
I want to push the nose of the bumper out a bit more to give it a ramming, push and divide feature while giving me some room to access the winch cable should it become fouled so I'm thinking about this much, 2.5"
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 08:46:14 PM
Which taped together looks like this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 08:49:45 PM
Now the concept here is to make the things that need to be strong, thicker and the things that might take a pounding (Kia fenders and such) reinforced. In that vein of thinkin' I am constructing a box of sorts surrounding the winch made of .250" steel, reinforced in many places.

The bulk of the bumper will be 11 gage (3/16") which when triangulated will be mucho strong but save on weight as well

Here's that box shaping up on the bumper frame
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Post by: duramaxdarren on May 10, 2015, 09:01:57 PM
 i might try 3/8 plate. I've seen qauter inch plate take a good hit from a tree and bend a bit. nothing drives me more crazy then something not straight
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 09:29:13 PM
i might try 3/8 plate. I've seen qauter inch plate take a good hit from a tree and bend a bit. nothing drives me more crazy then something not straight
There's no bumpers out there made of 3/8" bro. Most are 3/16 I think (11 gage)
I mean I could do 3/8" because the box is not that large...let me think about it
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Post by: JR on May 10, 2015, 09:41:59 PM
Yep, the thicker the better IMHO. I think weight is really of little concern here. Bumpers are made for bumpin, not saving weight for the EPA.

I would go no less than 1/4 with lots of supports. Get that little bend out of there by the winch, make it straight.

My bumpers will be based on square or rectangle, not U shaped.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 10:19:25 PM
Yep, the thicker the better IMHO. I think weight is really of little concern here. Bumpers are made for bumpin, not saving weight for the EPA.

I would go no less than 1/4 with lots of supports. Get that little bend out of there by the winch, make it straight.

My bumpers will be based on square or rectangle, not U shaped.
A clevis is going in that little Bend (flat area), that's why it's there
3/8" eeh...
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Post by: OldKooT on May 10, 2015, 10:36:24 PM
My two cents worth, build the bumper to bend. Dodges frame wasn't deigned to be a battering ram. The trick is strong enough to not cave in and allow damage to the grill/body...week enough to not bend the frame.


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Post by: Sammconn on May 10, 2015, 10:49:20 PM
Yeah, I'm with Norm on this. We want the frame to stay the strong point and the bumper or parts of anyway the 'weak link'. I am of the feeling that the 1/4 - 3/16 plan you are speaking of is the way to go.
That is my plan as well if winter ever lets off its fury on me. Got another 5-6" of snow, ice pellets, rain and freezing rain last week. So I'm waiting it out to get on my front build. I'm liking the paper it out plan, let's you see it first.
Looking good chief.
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Post by: JR on May 10, 2015, 11:50:02 PM
I will agree with that to a point. build the center solid as a rock as it is square to the frame and will add rigidity. Build the sides to give some, but not to the point where you can't push things out of the way first. Don't need to hit them at 50mph to do the job
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Post by: JR on May 10, 2015, 11:51:39 PM
"CAD" cardboard aided design

(I can't take credit for this but like it)
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Post by: OldKooT on May 11, 2015, 08:06:06 AM
This is an example of the fame flex Don will be dealing with to a degree. If you notice that's not a stock bumper. Not my truck BTW

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Maelthra_Loner/0301001532a.jpg)

I feel a bumper of similar material thickness as the frame is a good idea. As the picture shows it will then allow the needed movement and still properly anchor the winch. If one ties the "wings" of the bumper to the frame to strengthen the bumper, it will redirect that energy into the frame horns every time the frame flexes. That will in my experience cause the frame to move at the engine cradle and likely eventually crack.  Just food for thought....

In simple terms, my experience with 1st gen Dodges has always been "embrace the noodle" it will groan flex/pop and return to normal...
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 08:22:22 AM
Good write-up on the frame flex phenomena of the early Dodges.

Remember, I have a heavily reinforced front frame on my truck, an extra cross-member, a reinforced and doubled cross member, a big 1/4" alcohol tank tying the aft couple feet of frame, the super duper front spring hangar cross member that is actually yet another cross member, and upcoming rock rails which almost double the frame's strength.

So this is not the same animal at all my friend.

But, I know a little bit about ramming road blocks (That was taught to a small slice of militarie guyz, and I had made that cut) Plus in the Baghdad and in the Kabul, ramming cars, trash, cinder block walls, and the occasional slow to move haji was all the norm...I have learned from all that.

The bumper has to house a winch, allow it to work to it's full capacity of 24,000 lbs in my case (12K with a pulley at the other end) and push through cars and open and separate a 2 X 4 wall in extremis. The extreme things are (will) likely leave a damaged bumper but allow the truck to drive off the "X".

So 1/4" box with reinforcement actually means 1/2" thick material in places and a dead strong box from which to winch, carried between the frame rails and low, whilst having "wings" plenty strong enough (Through triangulation and reinforcing) to push cars out of the way.

So sez me without quoffee!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 11, 2015, 10:22:19 AM
Well, Don added what I was thinking, plus you have a single cab.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 11, 2015, 11:38:42 AM
I won't clutter Don's most excellent build thread with Dodge truck frame ideaers, experiences and simple math... Ima go do that on my build thread, and you can read it there if interested.


Now back to building......
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 12:13:01 PM
I won't clutter Don's most excellent build thread with Dodge truck frame ideaers, experiences and simple math... Ima go do that on my build thread, and you can read it there if interested.


Now back to building......

Norm,

Feel free to clutter up any thread you desire

Good info is good info. Just be sure to copy it back to your thread for reference.

I already nominated this numbskull for Old Dodge SME, anyone second the motion?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on May 11, 2015, 01:21:29 PM
Heck, I'll second it. Seems he may be the ultimate SME, been around and seen a lot of 'em.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 11, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
SME? SMF would be better...Stupid Middle aged farmer... That fits LoL

Now I have to get back to work staring at a frame, my wife has another pair of shorts and everything....

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 11, 2015, 06:59:47 PM
Norm, you forget one thing, Don's truck may have to "Ram" a parking curb at the mall....at the most!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on May 11, 2015, 07:02:13 PM
actually allie is just like me and HUGE daddy,s girl. abby is starting to stand up on her on and do the furniture surfing thing. Kara is good loves her fridays home from work with the girls. i have a slight problem with dogs, well busgy more or less. he is not doubt written the escape plan for alcatraz. thats a story for another day. ya the earth was flat for a while for me and i vanished but never outta reach right nate? being back in the field is great but i never sit down in front of a computer. plus we went through a few sleep months of teething and sleep regressions and i almost filed for insanity.

Nice to have you floating about again!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:04:16 PM
Norm, you forget one thing, Don's truck may have to "Ram" a parking curb at the mall....at the most!!
I've spoken on the dangers of mall travel

When you sink in a mulch bed and have to get one of those cube lookin kars to pull you out, just remember I warned you!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:07:18 PM
Speaking of danger, allow me to start tonight's post with a safety tip

Do Not Set Yourself On Fire!

Should you be welding, or grinding, or cutting with a plasma torch and you smell something burning, something that smells like, you, then stop what you are doing and extinguish yourself. Do not use flammable lacquer filled rags to do so with.

Nuff said
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:09:01 PM
OK, so before I discovered myself on fire, I restored this fender badge and gave it a prominent new home:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:10:06 PM
And I installed the transfer case (new) leather boot
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
Keeping in the spirit of getting stuff off the floor or out of boxes, I stuck on the decals as well:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:12:11 PM
Then for no apparent reason, I stuck one on the alchy tank as well
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:13:44 PM
You may recall, I had just mocked up the winch enclosure with cardboard. I transferred those onto some 1/4" steel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:14:25 PM
All that business got cleaned up
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:15:23 PM
Then with the assistance of some leveling stock, I tacked up the lower plate
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:16:43 PM
Then the winch fairhead mount plate got created
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:17:55 PM
I welded in some 3/4" NFT bolts to make removal of that dude an easy proposition
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:19:23 PM
They while using a section of rectangle tubing to square it up, that plate was glued and fused into permanence!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:20:32 PM
Then on went the subsequent plates
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:22:50 PM
Then the next panel was ciphered out
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:25:06 PM
The red dog has not carried off anything to chew up. Seems she has something else to chew on, that chews right back. The sled dog is ignoring me as she lies in comfortable disgust at the loss of all her hair
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:27:07 PM
Those collection of polygons found fitment on the sides of the fairhead assembly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:32:22 PM
Next up comes the "wings" which are spreading out more
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:33:55 PM
Next up came the inside top riser that takes things up to the grill level
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:35:25 PM
And the top plate mocked up
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 11, 2015, 07:36:06 PM
The sled dog "willed" your shirt on fire for that awful hair cut.....reminds me of that first paint job on the GLO diff. cover!  : :(
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:38:35 PM
The sled dog "willed" your shirt on fire for that awful hair cut.....reminds me of that first paint job on the GLO diff. cover!  : :(
Malamute hair cut: Everything down to the epidermis or nothing at all. Just ask any groomer
Sled dog likes the coolness
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
And that right there concluded a pretty good build day IMHO
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 11, 2015, 08:28:36 PM
Arent there a few other stickers/badges/decals you have not installed??  Maybe a Powered by Perkins or IHOP , Snickers, Good Sam Club, Kentucky Fried Chicken??  OK now that I've gotten that off my chest....I'm just anti social and anti emblem

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 08:32:01 PM
Arent there a few other stickers/badges/decals you have not installed??  Maybe a Powered by Perkins or IHOP , Snickers, Good Sam Club, Kentucky Fried Chicken??  OK now that I've gotten that off my chest....I'm just anti social and anti emblem


Glad you're feelin' better!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 12, 2015, 12:04:10 AM
I like the bumper so far, you eve built in a nice flex point. 8)  Your frame will thank you.

And I never thought about poster board... you have no idea how much plate steel I have ruined because i could not see my lines scribbled amongst all the U haul printing on the boxes I used for templates.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 12, 2015, 12:09:23 AM
Arent there a few other stickers/badges/decals you have not installed??  Maybe a Powered by Perkins or IHOP , Snickers, Good Sam Club, Kentucky Fried Chicken??  OK now that I've gotten that off my chest....I'm just anti social and anti emblem


Glad you're feelin' better!

Thanks.  It was rather cathartic   Drive on!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 12, 2015, 03:11:41 AM
Looking good but the sled dog is unhappy.

Is that right front loosing air??
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 12, 2015, 06:40:13 AM
Progress on the truck looks great, even the badging application on Frankensnorkle!  I too wondered about the soft looking front tire- of course you have added sheet metal, bumper, winch and paint so some bulging is to be expected.  ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:06:20 AM
I never really "Set" the air pressure in the tires, just shoved some in there to keep them round

I'll take a look

Now on the bumper...not sure if I'm liking it, and we know what happens to things I do which I don't like.

If I keep not liking it, I can see letting the pre-rangers loose on it with the plasma (light saber)!

I'll have to get out there and add some more parts to see if it works or starts to upset me
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:11:08 AM
And I never thought about poster board... you have no idea how much plate steel I have ruined because i could not see my lines scribbled amongst all the U haul printing on the boxes I used for templates.

I won't claim credit for original thought with respect to the poster board. Saw others doing that and learned it. But with poster board here's the secret: Use a flat cutter. NO SCISSORS. Or the bumber will look all catty-wumpus and not laser straight like one of my normal Chinook approaches to landing! ;-))
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 12, 2015, 09:45:25 AM
Flat cutter.... so tearing it along the lines is out. I will now need one of those chop things for paper I saw at the office store while test riding the PC chairs.

And I have rode in a Chinook or two....I was under the impression the entire time all they do is fall vertically/horizontally quite violently until you arrive at your destination.  :D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 12, 2015, 11:36:14 AM
Don, if you allow for "flexing" it appears the bumper will hit sheet metal pretty easy. Is it the picture or does it come up high enough in front to hit?

Norm, have you flown with Don?????????


(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/2FB/CH47_zpsfohhbpje.jpg) (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/2FB/media/CH47_zpsfohhbpje.jpg.html)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 12, 2015, 11:46:03 AM
Don, if you allow for "flexing" it appears the bumper will hit sheet metal pretty easy. Is it the picture or does it come up high enough in front to hit?

Norm, have you flown with Don?????????


(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/2FB/CH47_zpsfohhbpje.jpg) (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/2FB/media/CH47_zpsfohhbpje.jpg.html)

JR, you think Norm would want anything to do with Don if he had flown/rode with him? :p
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 12, 2015, 12:00:37 PM
For some reason I think he would enjoy it, like me.

I haven't been in a heli in a long time. It was just a little ol Ranger around the SF bay. My first flight was fun, a PT17 with 2 of us in the front seat, even got upside down.

Most fun was my ride in this; http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=938319

Ok, my DOT quotta has been filled???
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 12:49:31 PM
Flat cutter.... so tearing it along the lines is out. I will now need one of those chop things for paper I saw at the office store while test riding the PC chairs.

And I have rode in a Chinook or two....I was under the impression the entire time all they do is fall vertically/horizontally quite violently until you arrive at your destination.  :D
I use this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 12:55:51 PM
Don, if you allow for "flexing" it appears the bumper will hit sheet metal pretty easy. Is it the picture or does it come up high enough in front to hit?

Norm, have you flown with Don?????????


(http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag37/2FB/CH47_zpsfohhbpje.jpg) (http://s1297.photobucket.com/user/2FB/media/CH47_zpsfohhbpje.jpg.html)

JR, you think Norm would want anything to do with Don if he had flown/rode with him? :p


Comm-on man, I hit every target...well, most of them and plus or minus 30 seconds

No, wait, you were refereeing to smoothness of the ride...well, forget that...I got there on time!  :-0
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 12:58:34 PM
For some reason I think he would enjoy it, like me.

I haven't been in a heli in a long time. It was just a little ol Ranger around the SF bay. My first flight was fun, a PT17 with 2 of us in the front seat, even got upside down.

Most fun was my ride in this; http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=938319

Ok, my DOT quotta has been filled???

Yes, DOT affairs maxed out.

Sorry, but I'm goin' to have to discipline ya a bit

NO BUMPER FOR YOU!

Tonight, don't look at the bumper fab work as punishment

Now, that I've made an example out of JR here, the rest of you had better take heed!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 12, 2015, 02:25:31 PM
Punishment accepted SIR!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 08:57:14 PM
Well, that's a good positive way of taking it, so the restriction is lifted  ;)

Got some more bumper built

At the moment it's an endless process.
Mock up and adjust the templates
Trace onto steel plate
Cut out with Plasma
Knock off slag
Touch up with the grinder
Make a pass or two across the 8" stone wheel
Fit it to the bumper
Tack it in a couple places
Put a stitch weld in
Mock up and adjust templates
Trace onto......

But with each iteration the bumper grows a bit

Cleaned up and ready for the next section:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 08:58:06 PM
Next the top plates were added to the first risers
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 08:59:54 PM
Then a second riser or plateau was added to contour up the bumper to flow with the grill lines
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:01:18 PM
Then the top plate for that riser
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:02:58 PM
Next I tackled the wrap around the fender part

Since this area of the bumper thins down with respect to height, I made the "Push" part from 3/8"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:04:06 PM
The bumper will come around with several angled pieces
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:05:41 PM
The side plate is made from one big plate. The front and this side will tie together at the top, so that open area will get filled in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:07:15 PM
Here is a bottom piece made from .250" for strength. It ties all those facets together into the front smash plate and acts a bottom edge for the side pieces
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:08:59 PM
The template was transferred then a lot of cutting took place to produce the heavy boom-a-rang corner reinforcements
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 12, 2015, 09:10:54 PM
Those parts got welded in, well tacked in for now, then it was time to cut the grass...out with the man work, in with the domestic chores...errrrrr
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 12, 2015, 09:15:08 PM
Like Hannibal Smith....I love it when a plan comes together.....
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 12, 2015, 09:18:13 PM
I cut/shape two small pieces of steel and consider it at least progress. Don builds half a bumper. I have to up my game...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 12, 2015, 09:24:41 PM
It took me a month, and he's built one in 2 days. what the heck?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 12, 2015, 09:44:13 PM
I might have to get my wife to build our bumper, that way I can do something else and make it look like I am productive.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on May 12, 2015, 10:55:21 PM
I know you were on the fence with it earlier Don, but I'm liking how it is fitting.
And yeah Ken, the bar has been set pretty high now. I'm hoping to get a start at mo e this weekend, but a grad present for our niece is taking precedent at the moment.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 13, 2015, 08:07:25 AM
Well, the bar was already set high indeed with Ken's rear bumper build. That was (Is) some excellent workmanship.

And mine is not halfway built. Maybe a quarter. Have to build in the missing space, form a top piece, back pieces, and an entire lower angled skirt and a rear facing bash plate to protect the radiator and things like that
Then there's welding and pretty much endless grinding and all before finishing begins.
But the best way to finish anything, is to start! So we are at least off and running!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 13, 2015, 08:24:52 AM
As I am sure you know and practice...wear proper eye protection. I cut one 5" cut yesterday with the plasma without ma helmet...and today my eyes feel like I have rocks in them. On the flip side, anything I build or do today will look great, at least tell my eyes heal LoL

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 13, 2015, 09:02:15 AM
As I am sure you know and practice...wear proper eye protection. I cut one 5" cut yesterday with the plasma without ma helmet...and today my eyes feel like I have rocks in them. On the flip side, anything I build or do today will look great, at least tell my eyes heal LoL


You may recall some of us soldiers were medically altered
Eye protection is no longer required for us
And they removed our sweat glands so the enemy would not know when we are nervous!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on May 13, 2015, 10:15:47 AM
that is until don tested his new plasma cutter on his fingers   ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 13, 2015, 04:47:28 PM
that is until don tested his new plasma cutter on his fingers   ;D
Man I remember that!

That sucker is HOT
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 13, 2015, 09:17:25 PM
facepalm....
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 13, 2015, 09:26:43 PM
Like stickin' your hand into lightening!

Something is gonna give!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on May 13, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
 ;D  :o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 14, 2015, 04:34:48 AM
Thats alot of parts to grind. Looks like a job for the jr rangers.

Nice seeing hubs on that thing too.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 14, 2015, 09:20:06 AM
So I was thinking today... well briefly. Where are you going to put the spare Don?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on May 14, 2015, 09:26:20 AM
i think he said something about doing another rear bumper like he did for his Dmax
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:49:12 AM
So I was thinking today... well briefly. Where are you going to put the spare Don?

Norm,

Spare is going on same way as on the D-Max truck. Spare tire on a winch along with a water can rack sporting 3 5-gal H2O cans. I'll build the high-lift jack into the bumper and use it for protection as well

Here's the part you may (or may not like)

I think I am going to do away with the tailgate and rear hatch.

I think a swinging door and rear wall with a fan mounted on spare realestate would be cool.
I was also thinking of printing up some first-aid basic stuff on plastic and embedding it in the paint so that on the rear all you have to do is read and it will tell you
1. stop the bleeding
2. clear the airway
3. Start the breathing
4. Protect the wound
5. Treat for shock
Stuff like that
Also I want to have a waterproof document sleeve on the inside of the door with the emer first aid manual stuffed in and maybe a medic bag hanging right below it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 14, 2015, 11:04:10 AM
Starting to look like the snorkel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I like the med info idea in the back, maybe laminate something?? If you leave the back open, what about all the electronics back there?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 11:16:31 AM
Starting to look like the snorkel,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I like the med info idea in the back, maybe laminate something?? If you leave the back open, what about all the electronics back there?
Not open
Don-ized

Closed in all lunar lander lookin'
Made of wood, of course, laminated over with some fiberglass stuff

a know, I wonder what the soccer mom, PC crowd will be thinking when I pull up in that to drop the boyz off for foot ball practice?

I bet

1. They will be a bit scared
2. Will not park next to it
3. It will be covered with their kids whi I will let craw all over it while I hand out sugar enriched butterscotch hard candies to just to spool them up.

Comment here: Ever notice how kids these days are pretty unruly?

For some reason their parents, who aren't doing their jobs expect us to just allow their houldims to disrespect..you agree?

Well when they craw into my space and do something I don't like, I flat out yell at them! Most run away, start crying or act shocked that I reacted. But the next time they are like angels.

I was in a friend's house the other day. His daughter came around the corner and said, "Oh hello Mr. Don...then later she called me, Sir." The dad, asked me how did I get her to do that!

Another time in church (Did I tell this story already??) my two boys were running around while a small group of us were praying. I stood and yelled in a voice a drill sergeant would be proud of, "All right, get down, knock out 15!" All at once every kid in the place dropped and started doing pushups!

The wives couldn't believe it...neither could I!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on May 14, 2015, 02:02:50 PM
I kinda like yr idea Don on the enclosed back side. Although may have been easier to buy a utility topper at that point.  I will most likely eventually hang a spare off my rear bumper as well. If I do a enclosure it will probably be a custom built Soft Topper style. Step side bed toppers look odd LoL

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:05:38 PM
OK, it's late and I am just getting to this update. Domestic stuff getting in my way Grrrr...

So I was going right along on that bumper when the wire stopped coming out the end of the gun. That happens every time I run out of wire. Most times I run out of wire, I just go into the cabinet and fetch a new spool. I could not do that tonight because there was none to be had. SO off to wire spool land I go and right smack in the middle of GWT (Good work time)

Well anyway, I got some things done

I started filling in that open area by making a cut and a fold in the side bash plate
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:06:51 PM
Then, having made up cardboard templates, I cut out the next several pieces
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:08:14 PM
And tacked them into place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:09:42 PM
It all looks kind of crude at the moment, but fear not, that sucker will be as fitted as a diaper on a new born baby's butt before I call it all done
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 14, 2015, 10:09:55 PM
So I was thinking today... well briefly. Where are you going to put the spare Don?

Norm,

Spare is going on same way as on the D-Max truck. Spare tire on a winch along with a water can rack sporting 3 5-gal H2O cans. I'll build the high-lift jack into the bumper and use it for protection as well

Here's the part you may (or may not like)

I think I am going to do away with the tailgate and rear hatch.

I think a swinging door and rear wall with a fan mounted on spare realestate would be cool.
I was also thinking of printing up some first-aid basic stuff on plastic and embedding it in the paint so that on the rear all you have to do is read and it will tell you
1. stop the bleeding
2. clear the airway
3. Start the breathing
4. Protect the wound
5. Treat for shock
Stuff like that
Also I want to have a waterproof document sleeve on the inside of the door with the emer first aid manual stuffed in and maybe a medic bag hanging right below it

For laminated instructions in the back of Square D, I was thinking more like: 
1. Grasp grenade in right hand covering spoon.
2. Extract pin by pulling ring
3. Count to 3
4. Hurl at enemy
5. Duck


Or maybe some Clint Smith-isms

"Beware the man who only has one gun. He probably knows how to use it!"

"An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity."

"A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a 46.'"

"When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away."

"I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy."

"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental."

"You cannot save the planet. You may be able to save yourself and your family."

"You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. How long you live depends on how well you do it."

"You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or use any other word you think will work but I've found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much the universal language."

"Don't shoot fast, shoot good."

"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid for."

"If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin, you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your head off and put it on a stick."

"Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. I may get killed with my own gun, but he's gonna have to beat me to death with it, cause it's gonna be empty."

"Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."

"Every time I teach a class, I discover I don't know something."

"The two most important rules in a gunfight are: always cheat and always win."

"The handgun would not be my choice of weapon if I knew I was going to a fight. ...I'd choose a rifle, a shotgun, an RPG or an atomic bomb instead."


Or perhaps Col Cooper


"One cannot legislate the maniacs off the street ... these maniacs can only be shut down by an armed citizenry. Indeed bad things can happen in nations where the citizenry is armed, but not as bad as those which seem to be threatening our disarmed citizenry in this country at this time."

"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."

"Remember the first rule of gunfighting ... have a gun."

"The police cannot protect the citizen at this stage of our development, and they cannot even protect themselves in many cases. It is up to the private citizen to protect himself and his family, and this is not only acceptable, but mandatory."

"The will to survive is not as important as the will to prevail ... the answer to criminal aggression is retaliation."

"Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands."

"All the people constitute the militia - according to the Founding Fathers. Therefore every able-bodied man has a duty under the Constitution to become part of the 'well-regulated' militia, specifically to understand and perform well with the individual weapon currently issued to the regular establishment .... Thus one who has not qualified himself with the M-16 may not be considered to be a responsible citizen."

"Already a couple of the faithful have sent in checks for a foundation memorial to the innocents who perished at the hands of the ninja at Waco ... I have been criticized by referring to our federal masked men as 'ninja' ... Let us reflect upon the fact that a man who covers his face shows reason to be ashamed of what he is doing. A man who takes it upon himself to shed blood while concealing his identity is a revolting perversion of the warrior ethic. It has long been my conviction that a masked man with a gun is a target. I see no reason to change that view."

"One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that 'violence begets violence.' I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure — and in some cases I have — that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy."

"The purpose of the pistol is to stop a fight that somebody else has started, almost always at very short range."

"Bushido is all very well in its way, but it is no match for a 30-06."

"A free man must not be told how to think, either by the government or by social activists. He may certainly be shown the right way, but he must not accept being forced into it."

"The conclusions seem inescapable that in certain circles a tendency has arisen to fear people who fear government. Government, as the Father of Our Country put it so well, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. People who understand history, especially the history of government, do well to fear it. For a people to express openly their fear of those of us who are afraid of tyranny is alarming. Fear of the state is in no sense subversive. It is, to the contrary, the healthiest political philosophy for a free people."

"Hoplophobia is a mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons, as opposed to justified apprehension about those who may wield them."

"The media insist that crime is the major concern of the American public today. In this connection they generally push the point that a disarmed society would be a crime-free society. They will not accept the truth that if you take all the guns off the street you still will have a crime problem, whereas if you take the criminals off the street you cannot have a gun problem."

"In the larger sense, however, the personal ownership of firearms is only secondarily a matter of defense against the criminal. Note the following from Thomas Jefferson: The strongest reason for the people to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny of government. That is why our masters in Washington are so anxious to disarm us. They are not afraid of criminals. They are afraid of a populace which cannot be subdued by tyrants."

"The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair."





Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:11:10 PM
Next up I cut out the back and outer, top pieces which were rather complex cuts with many angles
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:14:44 PM
The back caps were first then the top section which I bent some to have an upward tilt to it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:15:53 PM
The left side fit was not all that great, so I tacked it in place anyway. I'll grind it flush when I pull the bumper off for final welding after fitting up is done
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:18:12 PM
The right side went better but I ran out of wire right in the middle of tacking that top piece, so it is not completely tacked in yet
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:19:47 PM
The plasma still worked so I cut out the top pieces for the winch surround
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:21:14 PM
That area is going to get a bunch more work with the addition of some old school and ARB bumper style uprights and some steel tubing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:22:59 PM
I shot some better pics of the interior since those other ones caused Mike to get vertigo
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 14, 2015, 10:25:07 PM
So that was the end of a half completed work day...was off to buy welding wire, get groceries, then shower, feed the dogs, see what's wrong with the black and white cat...ah, the patches cat is in heat again.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Pulley on May 14, 2015, 10:27:25 PM
Really liking the bumper, turning out great. Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 15, 2015, 02:20:03 AM
I want to see how you do the protection up front so that purdy sheet metal and grill stay purdy.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 08:29:37 AM
I want to see how you do the protection up front so that purdy sheet metal and grill stay purdy.
With a tail-wind and any luck at all, you should begin to see that happening today
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 15, 2015, 02:15:09 PM
I want to see how you do the protection up front so that purdy sheet metal and grill stay purdy.
With a tail-wind and any luck at all, you should begin to see that happening today

Well at least we know you have a new roll of wire,,,,,,,,,,,,

Good Luck!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 15, 2015, 05:35:47 PM
"Vertigo..."  Wasn't the photos, it was the idea of you, wood and fiberglass again! 

"Pre-rangers- procure new saw blades and wait in the wings with Red Dog for Operation Hide Mistake 2"  :o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
"Vertigo..."  Wasn't the photos, it was the idea of you, wood and fiberglass again! 

"Pre-rangers- procure new saw blades and wait in the wings with Red Dog for Operation Hide Mistake 2"  :o
Speaking of vertigo, Mike, how are you doing? See the Doc? Find out anything?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 06:58:21 PM
OK got the uprights built and on. Man that was a bunch of time and work, some 6 hours in all

First I addressed the front winch, welding those pieces onto the top of the fairhead plate
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:00:07 PM
I cut the right side piece twice and it was still too short, so I owe it a patch there. I added the tiny pizza slice parts to close all that in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
Next the uprights were sketched out
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:02:40 PM
Those suckers are pretty tall. Two of them will gobble up a large .250" plate I'm guessing.

They will eventually fit like this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:03:44 PM
Like I said they gobbled up the largest piece of .250" plate I had
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:05:13 PM
Finish grinding and drilling all those 1.75" holes took time and patience and a goodly amount of cutting oil
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
But in the end the grinder won out
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:08:25 PM
I removed a lot of unnecessary material to lighten the structure, but I am going to gain back a ton of strength my making these uprights into I-Beams by adding this section of 3/16" X 3/4" to the outside edge
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:09:49 PM
Here they are with the piece added
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:12:02 PM
This is how it will fit with the 1.75" DOM I have to make a brush guard from
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:13:17 PM
First one aligned and on
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:14:31 PM
Then the second one
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 07:16:41 PM
And with a couple sticks of the DOM shoved in there to check alignment and get a concept of where to run the next bars to build the brush and deer killin' feature to this truck's front end
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on May 15, 2015, 08:03:01 PM
don, the bumper is absolutely awesome. i have a small concern though, the clearance to the fender is a lil tight for my liking. just a thought on body flex and roll. i know it should all move as unit but still i wouldn't want that to become an issue
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 15, 2015, 08:32:58 PM
don, the bumper is absolutely awesome. i have a small concern though, the clearance to the fender is a lil tight for my liking. just a thought on body flex and roll. i know it should all move as unit but still i wouldn't want that to become an issue
I'm watching that

Either it will work or it won't!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on May 15, 2015, 08:48:13 PM
well put ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 15, 2015, 11:20:17 PM
"Vertigo..."  Wasn't the photos, it was the idea of you, wood and fiberglass again! 

"Pre-rangers- procure new saw blades and wait in the wings with Red Dog for Operation Hide Mistake 2"  :o
Speaking of vertigo, Mike, how are you doing? See the Doc? Find out anything?

Well, Quack in the Box set me up with drops for an outer ear infection, Drammamine, Clairetin and seem to be improving- but I'm gonna get to the real Dr/Cardiologist to get back on cholesterol meds as my level (NATO round) and heredity dictate I should be doing so AND to make certain it was just ear infection.   Appreciate the prayers and inquiry.   MORE SPARKS!!!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: akraven on May 16, 2015, 03:18:26 AM
That is an awesome job you are doing on that bumper Don!  Are you going to include shackle mounts or D-rings on it?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 07:32:03 AM
That is an awesome job you are doing on that bumper Don!  Are you going to include shackle mounts or D-rings on it?

I'll be adding these:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
Thinking about adding these as well. 47,000 lbs breaking strength, 15,600 working strength so they work within the winch limits. A pair front and rear along with the clevis mounts would give me a full strength choice in case someone stole the clevis or I am using chains
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 16, 2015, 09:32:49 AM
I'm watching that

Either it will work or it won't!
A good point......but......
Remember what happened to mine after welding it up solid ? yeah, it sucked it together no matter how I did it....I was stitch welding no more than 1" at a time, alternating sides. had to use a porta power to stretch it back enough just to get it back on the truck!!
Looking good buddy, continue. I'm doin' a pretty cool project today myself, in between getting a new (old) 5th wheel.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 10:21:07 AM
I'm watching that

Either it will work or it won't!
A good point......but......
Remember what happened to mine after welding it up solid ? yeah, it sucked it together no matter how I did it....I was stitch welding no more than 1" at a time, alternating sides. had to use a porta power to stretch it back enough just to get it back on the truck!!
Looking good buddy, continue. I'm doin' a pretty cool project today myself, in between getting a new (old) 5th wheel.
Sweet!

Post it up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 11:44:37 AM
Just ordered 4 of those weld on 1" D-rings

I'll stick them on somewhere on the front and the rear
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
Picked these up off of Amazon.

Wanted to try some "flush" mount LED's in lieu of carving out a hole to mount some dirt collecting light fixture inside

Good price as well   $75 for all 4!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 16, 2015, 02:01:44 PM
I love the lights and the hooks, can't have enough of either. I have some D ring tabs that go through the bumper for more grab.

I have several of those 6x led work lights and they are nice. Used em with small lithium packs.

I had concerns about how tight the clearance is too. It is gonna move, you are gonna help it sometimes with twisting and pushing. Clearance is your friend.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 16, 2015, 02:13:15 PM
Out of curiosity, does EMP affect led lights? since they work off 12v and are stepped down to 3-5v I guess it may depend on the circut? A resistor voltage drop system should be fine but based on a transistor your SOOL?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on May 16, 2015, 04:45:38 PM
JR, I know this is not exactly what it is that you are looking for, but I think there is a  great deal of information that we can all learn from.

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/vehicles.html

http://www.futurescience.com/emp/EMP-myths.html

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=just+what+exactly+will+an+emp+effect

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on May 16, 2015, 05:05:30 PM
Picked these up off of Amazon.

Wanted to try some "flush" mount LED's in lieu of carving out a hole to mount some dirt collecting light fixture inside

Good price as well   $75 for all 4!

If they look like the ones I've looked at, you'll still have to place a cutout and slide them into place, but one they are mounted they are flush or close to it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:05:46 PM
Picked these up off of Amazon.

Wanted to try some "flush" mount LED's in lieu of carving out a hole to mount some dirt collecting light fixture inside

Good price as well   $75 for all 4!

If they look like the ones I've looked at, you'll still have to place a cutout and slide them into place, but one they are mounted they are flush or close to it.

Copy that. I plan on doing that sort of stuff once I have it mocked up and on the plywood welding table. You do have to cut an access. Blue light saber tool will make quick holes in anything!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:09:06 PM
Out of curiosity, does EMP affect led lights? since they work off 12v and are stepped down to 3-5v I guess it may depend on the circut? A resistor voltage drop system should be fine but based on a transistor your SOOL?
Depends on the type of circuit and the power of the pulse. Micro circuits give it up easy, but big things like resistors and windings and maybe bigger diodes should fare pretty well. But if there is a big pulse, even wiring might catch fire. Back in the late 19th century a massive solar flare and SME caused telegraph wires to throw sparks and start fires. The pulse wiped out the lines for some time. That's wire! Not a circuit. An artificially created pulse from a large nuke will easily make that much power. We be toast if that happens.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on May 16, 2015, 11:32:55 PM
Those are the same lights I am thinking of putting in mine too.
Did get started on the front bumper today finally. And as my luck would have it, it's snowing again... >:(
So once I make some progress I'll post my bumper build up.
Hard to start a build thread 9 years in, but I'll get one going even if it is just a story at the start.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 17, 2015, 01:19:48 AM
Picked these up off of Amazon.

Wanted to try some "flush" mount LED's in lieu of carving out a hole to mount some dirt collecting light fixture inside

Good price as well   $75 for all 4!

Hmm, seen those somewhere before. :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:36:27 PM
Got a little bit more done on the truck today.

Balancing act now...Have the privy build going on, farm stuff, domestic stuff, meetings and geesh....

The welder finally could weld no more! The liner just wore out and was shuttling wire and not feeding it. So off to the Miller store I went. I bought a new liner and all new pieces parts to make it like new. Then I spent some time going over it, taping this tightening that. In the end I had a nice running machine and time to get back into the game!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:37:59 PM
Speaking of domestic stuff, this morning I am getting the boneheads fired up and ready for school. This one comes in with this stuck around his neck! I should have left it there!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:40:39 PM
I figured out that I will need one more horizontal bar on that front brush guard to keep trees out of operational spaces

So I fashioned up this extension arm that will serve as the base for the third row of tubing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:41:20 PM
Found a piece of 1/4" plate and made the cuts
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:42:30 PM
It fits!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:43:36 PM
I'll either stand it up or lean it back some...undecided at the moment
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:45:22 PM
So next I wanted to address the gap beneath the roller fairhead and the brush guard uprights
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:47:06 PM
I am angling everything so that obstacles are swept to one side or the other. You can see here there are two big open mouths that would hold onto stuff and direct it under the center of the truck, not what I want
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:54:42 PM
The deflector will push trees and Kias to either side and it serves to really strengthen up that frontal area which now approaches 1/2" think laminated steel on the bottom side
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:55:43 PM
I applied the appropriate amount of sparks and smoke and came up with this
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:56:38 PM
The whole fairhead projection is super strong now and not so bad looking either
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:57:42 PM
Next I was hunting for a spot to mount these:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 08:58:57 PM
I think I'll have to mount them about 1.5" proud to the bumper face on a couple thick sections of rectangle steel tubing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 09:01:32 PM
All 4 of those bumper LED lights came in as well. I will cut them into the bumper after I figure out where those mammoth tie down rings mount which have yet to come in. Heck, I might mount all 4, who knows?

I'll likely tie them into the high beams so when I decide to light up the world, you could see me from orbit
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 09:03:42 PM
And that is the SOB (State of the build) on build day 257

Mission continues...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 18, 2015, 11:31:49 PM
Those lights are a little smaller than I thought, but I like em!

I would angle anything forward so as to snag it. Isn't the idea is to have em slide off?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on May 19, 2015, 02:45:05 AM
For the lights, in my opinion, 2 closer to the center of the bumper, and the other to towards the other edges. That way, you'll get a wider area of ground/obstacles illuminated when using them.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 19, 2015, 07:10:56 AM
Proposed warp avoidance method:

What if you welded a straight (bit larger) steel beam across the inside of the bumper horns that put them in outward pressure?  Then weld up the bumper alternating sides until completion and hammering each fresh weld.  The hammering method is something I've seen my father use to successfully weld cast iron which is notorious for cracking along the weld as it cools.  Then, just take your blue light saber and remove the brace(s) and you might have a warp free bumper?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 07:57:46 AM
Proposed warp avoidance method:

What if you welded a straight (bit larger) steel beam across the inside of the bumper horns that put them in outward pressure?  Then weld up the bumper alternating sides until completion and hammering each fresh weld.  The hammering method is something I've seen my father use to successfully weld cast iron which is notorious for cracking along the weld as it cools.  Then, just take your blue light saber and remove the brace(s) and you might have a warp free bumper?

Well, Mike, you are getting ahead of me here, but today, I was planning to get some rectangle steel tubing and weld it on the underside spanning from the box center section which is mostly welded up now outward to the winds, and fix a second 1/4" plate to the back side of the main bash plate for a landing pad. It won't be able to move inward/outward, but it might still be able to twist...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 08:02:26 AM
For the lights, in my opinion, 2 closer to the center of the bumper, and the other to towards the other edges. That way, you'll get a wider area of ground/obstacles illuminated when using them.
They will be fired up with the high beams
High beams are used when there is no approaching traffic
So who cares how they are aimed with regard to on coming drivers?
Check
So maybe two pointing sorts forward
and two in one of the outward plates all outward angled to give more of a wide angled view...
Was thinking about that and other options as well
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on May 19, 2015, 12:55:05 PM
How about an adjustable cross member at the corners, like a tie rod? lateral strength at the corners increased to resist angled impact, threaded tie rod end adjusters to keep the corners from warping in. it's my experience that the "memory" of heated steel is pretty hard to forget. you could make infinite adjustments this way.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 19, 2015, 01:23:50 PM
That bumper is looking sweet Don. I like those recessed LED's too, and the weld on bull rings. Going to be a menacing bumper for sure!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 19, 2015, 03:12:56 PM
I did pretty much what mike was talking about except for forcing it outwards.....I wasn't sure about how much it would need. When I was done, it was sucked in 1/4" on each side.....had I known at the time, I would've stretched it 1/2".
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:05:20 PM
I did pretty much what mike was talking about except for forcing it outwards.....I wasn't sure about how much it would need. When I was done, it was sucked in 1/4" on each side.....had I known at the time, I would've stretched it 1/2".

I had that experience after boxing the frame. Remember, the bottom of the frame pulled inward maybe 1/2" on each side.
I'll do something even if it's wrong!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on May 19, 2015, 10:22:42 PM
At least you can say that you did somethin' no matter the outcome!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
Speaking of did something, I did something today.

The mail man delivered the 1" D-rings so I knew they were getting glued up

Here they are, I purchased 4 of them
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:39:41 PM
I'll be using these new welding gloves which still have all the fingers and no chew marks
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
So, right off the start I welded those on and know what? That box never saw any shelf time!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:42:35 PM
Next up were the clevis mounts

I needed to stand them off a bit to clear the uprights, so I created this spacing assembly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:44:03 PM
Here is where the cleaned up stand-offs will be fitted:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:45:41 PM
They were welded inside and out and onto that bottom plate as well. Should be strong enough
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:47:12 PM
The clevis mount was first welded to the back plate. I used a lot of heat and fast wire speed. There's a lot of metal joining the two parts!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:51:49 PM
Here's the final:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Next up, It was time to find a place to mount the winch control module.

But first I disassembled it so I could remove the factory bolts and replace with my longer stainless screws so I could more easily and sturdily mount it
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:57:15 PM
Then make a template, cut the stock, finish it, drill it and weld it to the upright
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:58:25 PM
And just like that, the module was mounted.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 08:01:08 PM
Had enough time remaining to address the strengthening of the bumper wings. To do this I will use some 2" square high strength steel tubing and cut it in to fit all the contours and tie the winch box directly to the wing making a triangle out of the flying parts
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 08:02:54 PM
The first cuts were made and I had this piece which was already tucking up very nicely, maintaining the high ground clearance built into this bumper design
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 08:04:50 PM
THe areas of fitting tie together either side of that 1/4" Curved section that is yet to be joined to the neighboring reinforcement. Don't worry, it will!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 08:05:54 PM
After some more tweaking and fitting, both sides were ready to be welded in
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 08:07:47 PM
View before and after
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 08:10:25 PM
I know, ugly weld...Had a large opening to fill in and know what? I don't care, will cover it with something and it can spend the next 50 years being strong like ox!

So you can see the stiffeners tucked up nicely and even though that bumper is largely still just tacked together, it just got very rigid
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 08:13:34 PM
That's all the time I had today, but I feel like that was a good point to stop.

Now all I have left to fab is the tubing hoops, then pull the bumper and add in all the inside bracing, weld it, then paint or coat it

So ends build day 258
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Post by: Nate on May 20, 2015, 08:52:18 PM
nice work
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on May 20, 2015, 08:53:59 PM
That bumper is coming along very nice.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 08:58:01 PM
Danka!
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Post by: JR on May 20, 2015, 11:31:24 PM
It does look good, nice work.

Looking at those D ring mounts do you think the will hold when sideways force is applied? Thinking they are close to the mount point, but welded indirectly via plates and surface loads. I'm sure the welds are fine, but I thought D ring mounts would be stronger if attached to the mount plate itself.


The ones I got are about 6 inches long for welding right to the mount through bumper.

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Post by: Pulley on May 20, 2015, 11:48:11 PM
Looking good, makes me wish I had the creative mind to fab up something like that haha.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 21, 2015, 06:58:46 AM
Very nice work there Don- good news is you'll need to

Start it up!


to remove the bumper for final welding and finishing!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 21, 2015, 08:21:56 AM
It does look good, nice work.

Looking at those D ring mounts do you think the will hold when sideways force is applied? Thinking they are close to the mount point, but welded indirectly via plates and surface loads. I'm sure the welds are fine, but I thought D ring mounts would be stronger if attached to the mount plate itself.


The ones I got are about 6 inches long for welding right to the mount through bumper.


JR,
I think that boxed 3/16" and 1/4" plate is plenty strong enough, but a lot of that has to do with the quality of the welds, which I'd say is adequate, and the boxing plan for the backside which has only started. There will be some work back there.

Having preflighted helicopter tail booms and what I could see of the wings on my jets, what I learned of structure I am applying in the things I build. I am building this thing to foremost reisit a head on force such as me ramming through a substantial road block. But I am also trying to build in torsional rigidity which would be needed if, say, I jacked the front up by a bumper wing.

Actually, I'd like to run a bar aft to grab the frame somewhere and one from the wing up to grab something, but there is nothing, so I just have to build a strong semi-monocoque structure.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 21, 2015, 08:30:12 AM
Looking good, makes me wish I had the creative mind to fab up something like that haha.
I think a creative mind is one of my gifts. My head is always buzzing with ideas like this...
But I also believe we are our greatest limiting factor. Saying I can't puts a self imposed limit on yourself. Nope, I won't go that far so I can't. I learned to replace I can't with, "Now how can I get that done, what do I have to do?"

My boys know death and destruction is on them is they say "I can't" in my presence. They have to do pushups and situps or clean toilets or something like that if I ever catch them saying "I can't"

Just sharing here. You can be creative, just gotta entertain the possibility!

Another short story...in my book...

I remember the day I was fishing with my dad, a former bomber pilot himself. The lake was buzzed by a low flying F-4 Phantom. I looked at that craft, 60 feet long of demonic death from the clouds moving along at probably 500mph. I watched that thing sow thunder in the valley then tear the air apart in a vertical climb. I watched it like I was witnessing the second coming.

Dad asked if I'd like to fly one of those. Me, fly, a pilot? No way, I could never do that. Well, I flew over 30 years and got into the most elite flying unit in the rotary wing world. You can do what you want, just gotta go do it!
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Post by: KensAuto on May 21, 2015, 10:41:11 AM
Nice bumper. Me likey.
Kinda MadMaxish, in a good way.
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Post by: JR on May 21, 2015, 02:37:09 PM
Don, I will er to your judgement on that, it is your bumper. It was just something I wanted to say,

Getting to it is one of my issues. Sometimes I think it will be a pain and it not and building goes great.

Picked up a set of run flats (new type) and my springs yesterday and built a shelf in the old compressor shed for all the darn parts!!

Build on and sometimes disregard this this DOT, just sometimes ???
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Post by: Higher Caliber on May 21, 2015, 10:07:29 PM
I say after you weld it solid you don't grind anything and let it sit in the rain and rust slightly, then clear coat it!
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Post by: JR on May 22, 2015, 02:37:55 AM
Very nice work there Don- good news is you'll need to

Start it up!


to remove the bumper for final welding and finishing!

I concur,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 22, 2015, 08:48:57 AM
I say after you weld it solid you don't grind anything and let it sit in the rain and rust slightly, then clear coat it!

I still have to weld the nails all over it yet

and add on my License plate that says "I don't like people" or "Are you a democrat?" or "You're parked in my space" or "Wallace for governor" or something redneck like those!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 22, 2015, 01:28:38 PM
Wallace for Governor!!  That reminds me of me elementary school days when my father was a "John Birch Society" member...... :o
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 22, 2015, 01:37:23 PM
I'll leave this here...
http://www.ironplanet.com/jsp/s/item/580238?utm_source=IronPlanet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NA+052015
knew I should have bid on it.  775 miles....
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Post by: BobbyB on May 22, 2015, 02:43:15 PM
I'll leave this here...
http://www.ironplanet.com/jsp/s/item/580238?utm_source=IronPlanet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NA+052015
knew I should have bid on it.  775 miles....

You can probably find a re-furb'd Deuce for cheaper... just saying..

Also cough, cough, Chief there's one for $4,000 in Kentucky... cough, cough...

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Post by: Flyin6 on May 22, 2015, 11:07:32 PM
I'll leave this here...
http://www.ironplanet.com/jsp/s/item/580238?utm_source=IronPlanet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NA+052015
knew I should have bid on it.  775 miles....

You can probably find a re-furb'd Deuce for cheaper... just saying..

Also cough, cough, Chief there's one for $4,000 in Kentucky... cough, cough...


That one's at Campbell

I want one with that cargo van on the back end...
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 23, 2015, 11:28:23 AM
They have those too. You can also find the box separate if need be
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Post by: JR on May 24, 2015, 02:30:55 PM
Think how nice that would be for just running heavy stuff in from town and moving round the farm
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Post by: BobbyB on May 24, 2015, 03:18:27 PM
They have those too. You can also find the box separate if need be

That's what I'd do.


Think how nice that would be for just running heavy stuff in from town and moving round the farm

It'd make it easy to get supplies out to the farm, even before the road is upgraded.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2015, 07:14:57 PM
They have those too. You can also find the box separate if need be

That's what I'd do.


Think how nice that would be for just running heavy stuff in from town and moving round the farm

It'd make it easy to get supplies out to the farm, even before the road is upgraded.

I know on all those points!

I wish I was financed in a manner suited to all this stuff I'd like to get for RM projects.

I would dearly love to get one with a box on it to kit out as a super expedition vehicle, RM style in the future. But I think I can swing getting the Cat 225 which holds a higher priority to get the hide site build some needed help. Can't swing both just yet...
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 24, 2015, 07:21:11 PM
Coming back from Shawanno, WI today and thought maybe Bobby had "acquired" one for you Don, and was shipping it your way!

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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2015, 07:27:07 PM
Coming back from Shawanno, WI today and thought maybe Bobby had "acquired" one for you Don, and was shipping it your way!



That one still has the armored up cab. I think all of the ones for sale these days will have the standard thin skin cabs. I doubt those armored cab trucks ever go on the civy marker.

BTW Mikey, was up in your hood for the weekend...Oakbrook for a wedding. Got to do Navy Pier on Saturday. Traffic and parking was a bear, but the pier and activities were tops. Good pizza and that roast beef sub sandwich thing as well.
Driving back from the nature preserve park through some of those neighborhoods at night, well, I didn't feel so comfortable with that...
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 24, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
Glad you enjoyed the finer points and experienced a bit of what makes me want to get out too!

Hawks even managed to win in only double over-time!

Pretty funny that so many of us have come close to each other's paths in traveling - we need to execute a deliberate rendezvous!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2015, 07:42:42 PM
Glad you enjoyed the finer points and experienced a bit of what makes me want to get out too!

Hawks even managed to win in only double over-time!

Pretty funny that so many of us have come close to each other's paths in traveling - we need to execute a deliberate rendezvous!
I would have called you if I stayed another day, but as it was there was family time...wedding and minimum sleep time...
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 24, 2015, 08:32:09 PM
No worries!  Was doing likewise - drove my dad up to WI to watch my son turn $ into noise playing with his "drift" car - we'll all triangulate in the not to distant future!
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Post by: OldKooT on May 26, 2015, 07:41:19 AM
LoL we were in Wis part of the weekend ourselves. We actually considered a trip down into Chi town but decided the traffic wasn't worth it and headed home.
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Post by: Armalite on May 26, 2015, 10:44:26 AM
Nice progress Don.  I do like the look and function of the front bumper.  Practical... 

On the D-rings, we have a lot of experience with them.  Use them on a lot of our trailers, tractors, and trucks.  On trucks, we weld them directly to  heavy wall pipe.  No issues when pulling out a truck weighing over 10k pounds.  Sideways pull or from the front.
On tractors, again, no issues, but we have them welded directly to flat plate, close to 1/2" thick, and then bolted to the frame.  No issues.
On the trailers, we have had slight issues.  We have used them to bind down equipment when hauling heavy loads.  Over the years, with the constant side ways bind, and bouncing, they eventually tear the I-beam they are welded too.

In your situation, just my opinion, I feel for normal use you should be fine.  But, if you really get hung up, or make a hard side pull, I wouldn't doubt if they pull that plate outward.  Welds will be fine.  Plate will bend before they break loose.  But, if you are in that much of a predicament, then I'm sure looks will be the least of your worries.  ;)


On the LED lights you purchased...  I have used a few lights on the front of my trucks...  Before you ever cut out the holes and mounted them in, I would check them at night time with the high beams turned on.  I'm sure they would help illuminate the ground area some, but it is possible it would not be enough to make a difference.  I have been running two of the Rigid brand lights, which are the best money can buy as well as the best products on the market.  My over head light bar will practically drown them out.  Had I double checked before mounting, I would not have mounted them where they are at.  But, being I had already drilled the holes, ran wires, and installed the switch, I left them.  Pretty much useless.  Now, compared to factory headlights, then yes, they are more than beneficial. 
Anyways, I know you do your homework, and double check everything.  Just didn't want you to have to make cuts in the bumper that weren't necessary, and then have to go back and fill them up.  Not counting running all the wires.  You may kick in headlights, and realize that those lights just aren't going to suffice, or maybe two will be plenty.  Who knows.  Just play with it, as I'm sure you will...

There were a few other things I wanted to comment on, but I will have to go back and read I guess.  Been out of the country for a week, trying to get caught back up.   8)
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:39:45 PM
Welcome back Ash

Note taken on the lights. I plan to mount them in the angular plate which will orient them to the side of the road and beyond. No light getting there anyway, so they will help some.

I used these shackles as well on my Tundra build circa 2003 ish. Worked just fine there on that light weight truck.

OK getting back into the project mode, first thing I did was to cut the center tubes to proper length and tack them in place.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:41:08 PM
I selected some thick wall DOM chrome molly tubing to serve as sleeves so that I could build the side pieces and just slip them over the stubs, then weld everything up.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:42:38 PM
The first tube(s) I'm running are the lower tubes which will branch out and tie into the existing bumper in a couple of places
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:43:42 PM
Then a second bend to wrap around and catch the bash plate
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:45:58 PM
That is all hand bending on a model 3 bender, so you know I got a good workout today!

I will be using plates to capture the tubing and attach it to the bumper. Here is the aft mount, all military lookin'
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:47:57 PM
Next an intermediate plate to attach before the bend
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:49:14 PM
That is tacked in, on to the upper hoop
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:52:00 PM
Using those extensions I made a week ago some tube was bent into a 90 degree and fish-mouthed to fit the lower tube

Simplicity and strength. Keep stuff away from the headlight and body work and allow the main bumper to carry the forces and weight
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:54:00 PM
Then the other side is started to mirror the left side
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:55:29 PM
Both sides tacked in, well, a bit more than tack-welded but not suffering the real heat just yet
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:56:32 PM
Clearances look OK
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:57:50 PM
Then the center bar was welded in, kinda...
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 05:59:30 PM
I'm liking it this time...haven't always, but this, I like!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 06:01:11 PM
And all that extra weight has caused the left side front spring to sag more. Now it is clear I will need to add that leaf back to make this spring pack happy once again
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 06:02:46 PM
So that's it for build day 259, off to celebrate another family birthday!
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Post by: KensAuto on May 26, 2015, 06:14:28 PM
I'm liking it this time...haven't always, but this, I like!
It looks like it belongs there for sure.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 06:17:35 PM
I'm liking it this time...haven't always, but this, I like!
It looks like it belongs there for sure.
It's

IN-TE-GRA-TED!
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Post by: JR on May 26, 2015, 06:50:43 PM
It blends in real nice, let the exo begin.

But will it run  ;)
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Post by: Sammconn on May 26, 2015, 07:20:20 PM
It blends in real nice, let the exo begin.

But will it run!  :)

Lookin real good there chief! Yes it looks like you need the rest of the spring back.
Digging the brush guard building up. Simple and functional.

C'mon, fire this sucker up for us!
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Post by: Nate on May 26, 2015, 07:57:40 PM
nice fabricating
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 26, 2015, 08:06:17 PM
We want  video of it moving under its own power....
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Post by: JR on May 26, 2015, 08:42:11 PM
We want  video of it moving under its own power....

Yep,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 26, 2015, 09:42:45 PM
We want  video of it moving under its own power....

It IS moving under its own power........towards terra firma! LOL !

On a serious note, I like the bars too, fits together with the rest of Squareness!  :)
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 10:14:07 PM
But will it run  ;)

Don't know, haven't started it!  ;-)
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 10:19:59 PM
We want  video of it moving under its own power....

We want, we want, we want

That's all I ever hear!

I want too!!!

I want everyone to get along. Democrats and Republicans, ISIS and Catholics, Hatfields and McCoys, Air Force and girl scouts, left and right, up and down, east and west, this and that, here and there, black and white, peas and carrots, and water and oil...I just want it to all get along...

Well actually

I don't care about any of that stuff

But some day, maybe this century or even decade, that motor will roar to life with such authority that the space command in Colorado Springs will sit up and take notice!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2015, 10:21:26 PM
We want  video of it moving under its own power....

It IS moving under its own power........towards terra firma! LOL !

On a serious note, I like the bars too, fits together with the rest of Squareness!  :)

Copy that!

It's all squared up in a military sort of way!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 26, 2015, 10:52:33 PM


I want everyone to get along. Democrats and Republicans, ISIS and Catholics, Hatfields and McCoys, Air Force and girl scouts, left and right, up and down, east and west, this and that, here and there, black and white, peas and carrots, and water and oil...I just want it to all get along...


Not happening until His return...

Matthew 10
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 08:18:09 AM
^^^ I was tryin' to sound like a hippie!

And look what you went and did with it!

GOOD JOB!
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Post by: BobbyB on May 27, 2015, 09:16:45 AM
off to celebrate another family birthday!

Happy birthday to the birthday party recipient.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 27, 2015, 06:05:19 PM
After reviewing the recent photo's on a full-size computer, I would just like to state:

That's a BEAST of a Truck there Don!

I almost feel giddy for you when you start her up and take it for a spin, and then that first trip to the farm..........somethings getting run over with destructive purpose and forethought! 

You'll harken back to your Tank Commander days, find someone with a tripod mounted .50 and put in the bed and powerslide up to an objective, pop the hatch and ventilate something!

Can't wait to see it in action!

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Post by: JR on May 27, 2015, 08:32:18 PM
Would this work??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHHj8IavEjk
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Post by: duramaxdarren on May 27, 2015, 08:57:30 PM
don, that is the most intense bumper i've seen short of a russian dreadknot class train. you remember the original cow catcher square d came with? can you post side by side pics?
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
Would this work??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHHj8IavEjk
Yep it would

I know that gun well

I know what it feels like to be sitting about 3 feet away from the muzzle while its spitting out lead. Ours were set at 3000 rounds per minute...per gun. I had two guns, but only 9,000 rounds of ammo...That's all the aircraft would lift!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 09:02:38 PM
don, that is the most intense bumper i've seen short of a russian dreadknot class train. you remember the original cow catcher square d came with? can you post side by side pics?
I'll see what I can find Darren...But I don't have any head on shots of the thing because it is close the garage wall.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 09:04:55 PM
Darren, here you are:

Before, and almost after

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Post by: duramaxdarren on May 27, 2015, 09:12:55 PM
that is awesome. come a long way! now we can all see the crazy amount of change and work put in. love it and well done. carry on!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 09:33:49 PM
that is awesome. come a long way! now we can all see the crazy amount of change and work put in. love it and well done. carry on!

Thank ya sir! Wilco!
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Post by: Sammconn on May 27, 2015, 11:05:42 PM
Sheesh, that was one ugly cow catcher.
The new refined model is so much cleaner and probably stronger.
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Post by: Pulley on May 27, 2015, 11:21:05 PM
Hard to believe that's the same truck.
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Post by: JR on May 28, 2015, 01:24:53 AM
That first bumper was ugly, but I bet it would do the job.

9000 rnds? Must have been 7.62 as 556 would only weigh 270#, about a dressed out soldier. Still, 90 seconds from both could do lots of damage!!
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Post by: OldKooT on May 28, 2015, 07:14:05 AM
Looking good Don...I am looking forward to the next phase. 

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Post by: Sammconn on May 28, 2015, 08:19:43 AM
Looking good Don...I am looking forward to the next phase.
I think we're all hoping the next phase is the Start It Up phase!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 28, 2015, 08:40:39 AM
That firs bumper was ugly, but I bet it would do the job.

9000 rnds? Must have been 7.62 as 556 would only weigh 270#, about a dressed out soldier. Still, 90 seconds from both could do lots of damage!!
Yup, Dillon GAU-17 is 7.62 NATO
No really long bursts, not needed
2-3 second bursts unless making a pass and hosing up an area of suspected enemy. That would get them moving or get them shot, one of the two.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 28, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
Looking good Don...I am looking forward to the next phase.
I think we're all hoping the next phase is the Start It Up phase!

Patience and a squirrel

Patience is a gift...

Patience my friend, patience

Patience is a virtue

Just think about or try to envision one of those frosty mornings and you're sittin' agin (Kentucky talk) a big oak tree. Right in between two big roots that make a leaf and loam filled natural chair of sorts. The canvas jacket you're wearing hasn't been washed in years. You don't wash a hunting jacket you see because it might give off a scent...a scent an animal could smell. The feel of that heavy canvas and the smell of years or woodland wear and tear is something of the inner soul. Something you couldn't describe for there are no words for things such as this experience.

The sun is just rising and in the silence of the morning you hear it, a brush of leaves...subtle, but he's there. Like a big airy broom, a medium sized branch festooned with mid fall leaves and nuts has just swished across another. But there is no breeze on this chilly morning, no reason that should have happened. No reason save for one. A big red squirrel is working the nearby oak, a smaller one, but all the cuttings scattered around tell you that that big ole boy is heading your way.

The 12 gage you're holding was your daddy's side by side and you can smell the metal and feel the memories it holds

With me so far?? Hang in there...

Your dad and you sat in this very same spot when you were only 8 years old and you remember seeing the sunlight of that long ago morning shining right through a gray squirrel's tail. It made a different light, almost a reflection, no perhaps a glint, but it was different, and for some unknown reason, everything about that time, that place, burned into your memory. The experience of that moment got in so deep that in the worst of times you would somehow drift back to this day and the memory would bring a inner smile, and provide a comfort. Does God himself give us such memories?

You think about it from time to time since he passed, and the thought always brings you right back to that exact same moment. And over the many long and eventful years, that one constant remains. One chilly morning, one oak tree and a dad and a gun.

That squirrel is moving and getting noisier. He must feel there are no predators around because he is now just stuffing on the acorns. You can hear the bits of chewed acorn shells hitting the ground and one just nips a blade of grass about 75 feet away. You think that it's amazing how acute your senses have become that you actually saw that, and you now know exactly where that guy is in the adjacent tree.

You consider standing slowly and moving over to get a good shot. You have one barrel full choke, the second trigger, and one modified. Both have some high-brass #6 chambered, so even right here, at this distance, you just might be able to connect, but he's way up in this 80 foot tree now and covered by a tangle of lower branches. But if you stand you'll ruin the moment. Dad didn't stand. He just waited. And as if led by a God driven magnet, that big gray from long ago came ever closer and closer. I remember the excitement as I anticipated the shot. My dad, the WW2 bomber pilot with his trusty Stevens 12 gage. Oh that coveted gun, with it's mid twentieth century mix of steel and checkered wood that now rests in a large walnut gun case just 6 feet away. It's lost some of it's luster, but the memories it makes causes that thing to be some sort of psychological emotion generator, it has a power all it's own. I have seen the magic of that shotgun pour out on my sons. I have witnessed how their facial expressions changed as they shouldered the thing and sighted down a barrel that their father and grand father looked across in decades past.

No to stalk that squirrel would be wrong. He will come, he will line up and I will get that shot. And he will drop just a few feet from me and know what? I won't rush over to pick up the catch. No, I'll just sit patiently while the last echo of the shot and the thump from the eighty odd foot fall fades and silence of a woodland morning returns like waves washing a sand castle flat. I'll savor the smell as I slowly break open and eject the still warm spent shell and load another.

There are other squirrels out by now and their memory is short. And I have a commanding view over the largest oak in the area above me. No there will be more, several if I'm lucky. And all the while the mist is settling in like a magical healing machine enveloping me and everything around. Filling my soul with it's musty aroma that pins me forever to this spot and place.

While thinking of this morning and that early frosty morning of my boyhood, I hear it...a bit distant, but another branch just moved...

Patience, yes patience, is really a gift my friend
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 28, 2015, 10:17:18 AM
Looking good Don...I am looking forward to the next phase. 



Well, I need to get my posterior in gear and find that TV cable and solve the shifter bushing problem, and connect the brakes and fix some binding in the accelerator pedal or cable...

But I'm all into grindin' and sparkin

Eyeing those rear spring mounts, but also thinkin' about that wrap around rear bumper deal...

Then there's the lunar landing module lookin' rear hatch I've been cipherin' on...

Who knows what's coming up next? Heck I don't even know!

Think I'll just go cut grass and think about it
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Post by: Armalite on May 28, 2015, 01:38:17 PM
"That would get them moving or get them shot, one of the two."

This cracked me up...  Pretty much straight forward, move or get shot, lol....
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Post by: akraven on May 28, 2015, 01:52:51 PM

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Patience and a squirrel

Patience, yes patience, is really a gift my friend
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Dang that put me in the moment. Reminds me of my youth.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 28, 2015, 02:37:16 PM
"That would get them moving or get them shot, one of the two."

This cracked me up...  Pretty much straight forward, move or get shot, lol....

Or move and get shot!
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Post by: Sammconn on May 28, 2015, 05:11:41 PM
Wow Don. You painted a picture that I could not only see, but feel, smell and remember.
Reminded me of a far to warm November afternoon. Sitting with my dad, sun driving down on us, waiting overlooking the river valley waiting for white tails. The wear of the early morning trek and sit, the numerous bluffs pushed and the hot afternoon sun put us to sleep. An hour, perhaps two, neitherof us really know.
And patience, yes. Just givin ya the gears, there are still a few bones to connect!

Thanks for the story, and build on!
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Post by: Higher Caliber on May 29, 2015, 03:35:26 AM
Speaking of squirrels-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwy32mFkfF8
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 29, 2015, 06:37:43 AM
Build Thread Trash-up Installment 25b: 

Vertigo- Dr. said that I'm fat, eat too much salt and I have a tiny hole in my eardrum!  He did some manipulation tests, hanging my head off the table several different ways and times, making me keep my eyes open- I think he just thought it was funny watching my eyes rattle around trying to find level!  Almost puked and broke-out in nausea induced sweats. Looking at a Fit Bit to tattle on me to myself on what I'm NOT doing enough of and log it so I can't fudge the numbers.  :(

FitBit= home monitoring device invented for those convicted of being outta shape! LOL-
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 29, 2015, 07:29:58 AM
Sounds like you are making progress, does he think that losing weight will help the ear problem or did he just want to make you feel bad?

Half of America is overweight but I don't see them all woozy and vomiting from it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:03:31 PM
Have a few things to show on the DTT (Don't trash thread)

If anyone remembers, I was building and commenting on a truck I called SquareD, anyone remember?  ;)

OK, for those who do

Let's pull that heavy bumper off:
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Without the winch, it's heavy, with the winch it becomes the immovable object you always hear about. So now you know what it looks like!

With several hundred pounds off the front end the springs came back a little
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:06:02 PM
It's a beastly thing!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:08:53 PM
After using a wire brush on it to clean it somewhat, the sparks went flying everywhere. Almost caught Ranger on fire, but he had been playing in water so the sparks just went out when they hit him!

What kind of a dog will just sit there in a shower of sparks? He doesn't seem to mind very much!

I welded the inside first, skipping from side to side
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:10:50 PM
Here is where it starts to get really strong. I am identifying spots where I can add in a strip of .250 steel to box in a section and tie it to other areas. Here is one such area
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:12:51 PM
And another.

The steel at the outside wing is now over 1/2" thick!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:14:01 PM
Up to this point I used an entire spool of wire!
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:15:33 PM
Another piece of 1/4" steel reinforcing critical areas
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:18:45 PM
I'll be grinding on this for awhile (Days??)

But from here on is where I make it or break it. So far it fits, is strong, does the job, and I like it.

From here on I get a chance to make it look good or like something Frankenstein built with his spare body parts
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 09:19:42 PM
And that's it for another build (welding) day, numba 260
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 29, 2015, 10:13:00 PM
Looking good Don. 
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 29, 2015, 10:24:20 PM
Thank ya!
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Post by: JR on May 30, 2015, 02:16:36 AM
Sweet and I like the reinforcements,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Adding a bar on the lower tube outriggers would match the center upright nice.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 10:44:46 AM
Sweet and I like the reinforcements,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Adding a bar on the lower tube outriggers would match the center upright nice.
Where were you thinking?

I wanted to go around the headlights with something but with the 1.75" die and it's larger radius, I couldn't get a bend I liked in there.

Open to suggestions

Like a sketch or something...

And I will be adding more reinforcing along the bottom and inside as well. I hear they are puttin' a bit more plastic reinforced metal in those Kias!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 30, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
The only suggestion I would have is from a strucural perspective.  That top outside edge relies solely on the bending strength of the tubing where it adjoins the center rib up top and the bumper at the lower attachment.  That makes it a weak point in a Kia removal exercise.  In looking at the original bumper pic when you first picked it up, it seems that a horizontal tube between the outer and inner verticals is impossible without obstructing the light or turn signal.

Barring that, a gusset of some kind from the back side of that outer vertical to the trailing edge of the bumper where it turns to go back along the fender would be the only suggestion I would have.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 30, 2015, 11:30:13 AM
Here are some thoughts on paper.

Gusset around the side and/or carrying that lower horizontal tube over and up to meet the top most tube.  The lower horizontal option would only give you minor strengthening and potentially block lights or turn signals.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 30, 2015, 11:32:59 AM
I would vote for the gusset and the connecting of that second horizontal to the top rail.  My redneck engineering says a doubling of strength at the outer corner based on halving the leverage point to attachment.
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Post by: Sammconn on May 30, 2015, 11:35:24 AM
I struggled until you put it on paper. Those additions I would also agree to add significant strength.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 30, 2015, 11:37:41 AM
A picture is worth a thousand words..... :-)
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 11:45:02 AM
Gotta say, that outward bound gusset looking all mad-max has got me thinkin'  8)

I ordered another stick of the DOM, isn't in yet. Figured I needed it for the rear bumper tire rack anyway...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 30, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Little better drawing.  I don't think the lower brace is worth even mentioning but the other two...
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 12:46:21 PM
Since you're drawing

See that section of grill running down inside of the headlight and parking light?

What would it look like with a new vertical there along with a lateral which passes just under the headlight, connects to the vertical, then another horizontal coming off the stub on the middle horizontal?

That along with something like that corner gusset would "Grid up" and tighten up everything considerably
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 30, 2015, 12:52:53 PM
Since you're drawing

See that section of grill running down inside of the headlight and parking light?

What would it look like with a new vertical there along with a lateral which passes just under the headlight, connects to the vertical, then another horizontal coming off the stub on the middle horizontal?

That along with something like that corner gusset would "Grid up" and tighten up everything considerably

I think I might have been experiencing a Vulcan Mind Tap - is this what you'z thinkin'?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 30, 2015, 01:05:31 PM
Something like this?  You would graduate from Kia to Tundra's
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Post by: Nate on May 30, 2015, 02:37:31 PM
who left the box crayons open for these 2 to play with?!

just kidding guys, sometimes you have to get a little old school to have it make sense.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 30, 2015, 02:44:53 PM
who left the box crayons open for these 2 to play with?!

just kidding guys, sometimes you have to get a little old school to have it make sense.

Don't forget Nate- an Art Teacher can send you some to play with.  'Course where you're at, they'll melt!

You been doing the backstroke lately?  Crazy seeing roadways turned into rivers with rapids on the news!
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Post by: Nate on May 30, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
it is dry as a bone here.  we don't get much in the way of moisture being in a desert environment and at an elevation of almost 4000 ft.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 30, 2015, 04:48:34 PM
Nate, I'll have you know it was a Sharpie!!  That's like middle school and not grade school....

And we have the water here in Houston.  Storming again right now
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on May 30, 2015, 05:56:13 PM
I like some of the upper tubes I see already, but here is where I mean on the tube supports.

Cap them like the pushbar uprights.
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 08:46:25 PM
I like some of the upper tubes I see already, but here is where I mean on the tube supports.

Cap them like the pushbar uprights.

Copy that, those other plates will get a 3/16" X 3/4" strap welded on top to make an "I" beam out of them

As for more tubing...thinking about it

I do like the idea of that exaggerated gusset RN came up with.

Worked on the out house project all day, so didn't touch SquareD at all, maybe tomorrow...
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Post by: JR on May 30, 2015, 08:52:12 PM
Capping the mounts will look good and the gusset will help for sure.

As for the upper tube, I'm sure you will think of something.

How are you going to grind all that covered up?
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Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 08:57:18 PM
Capping the mounts will look good and the gusset will help for sure.

As for the upper tube, I'm sure you will think of something.

How are you going to grind all that covered up?

Well, I don't know yet!

I have a selection of 7", 4.5", and 4" grinders, files, porting tools and a red dog

I'll use something to get in there...or I'll just leave it "Rustic" looking!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 08:57:49 PM
Hey Norm, where have you been? It's almost June...!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on May 30, 2015, 09:32:51 PM
Hey Norm, where have you been? It's almost June...!

I'll bet he's watching Mrs. Norm work really hard on that project!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2015, 08:10:56 AM
Hey Norm, where have you been? It's almost June...!

I'll bet he's watching Mrs. Norm work really hard on that project!
Yea,

Ever notice we have never seen nor heard about Norm working on it, just Miss Kay...

So I wonder if she has gotten more done on the thing?

I'll give em grace though. It's planting season and they got hammered by spring rains...I'll bet it is/was a mess there
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on June 01, 2015, 10:39:20 AM
It's been rather unproductive project wise of late. Don was spot on, been fixing washed out culverts, and roads. The driveway at the house ended up mostly in the Corn field behind the property. The roads have been 4x4 only and then sketchy. So no UPS /usps/FedX deliveries. Good news is...... my wife broke out her summer shorts so life is good.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 01, 2015, 01:09:48 PM
welcome back norn
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:08:04 PM
Norm and Miss Kay sighting...good, they are still alive and kickin!

So enough with the excuses...lots of people have washed away roads, no driveways, 2-3 missing children, stuff like that! Gotta work around all that and get that truck done. It's June you have 29 days!

OK, norm, turning up the heat on ya. Here's some more weight added to that way too heavy front bumper.

First, notice how the sweat from a couple days ago rusted that pretty metal up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:10:25 PM
So today was all about triangulating the structure and adding strength. To triangulate, I added these 1.75" Square tube uprights that go from the top of the bumper up to the upper hoop. That will add a ton of strength from a push/pull direction
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:11:42 PM
I had already started to grind down the welds, so I cleaned off the pad that I would be attaching to.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:13:13 PM
I agree with several folks comments about the clearances being pretty tight for an off road machine, so I started trimming things up a bit
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:15:07 PM
Good, I like that better.

Same-same for the wings:
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:16:12 PM
Then those new uprights got melted into place
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:18:44 PM
Then the outboard hoop attachment points were wrapped with some 1/8" X 1/2" steel strap
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Post by: ce_tx on June 01, 2015, 09:19:55 PM
I'm liking the front bumper, kinda what I have in mine for mine but less plate.  How about a tube from the main top hoop to the lower one that goes around to the side fender to protect the front corner of the front fender?  Does that make sense?
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:20:15 PM
Then the outboard mounts were similarly wrapped
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:22:35 PM
I'm liking the front bumper, kinda what I have in mine for mine but less plate.  How about a tube from the main top hoop to the lower one that goes around to the side fender to protect the front corner of the front fender?  Does that make sense?
Yea, we've been discussing a tube that wraps around high and angles down to the outboard mount, or a gusset plate

There is more coming in tonight's post which sets the stage, so hang on to your horses for just a bit and I'll show what direction I'm heading. ;-)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:24:30 PM
Next up, I attached the new upright to the stubs on the main upright to tie all that business together
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:26:58 PM
Then I tied the top of the bumper below that new upright into the base .250" plate
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:28:58 PM
Then I closed off the tubing ends to keep moisture out
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:33:02 PM
Now, we get to the outboard reinforcement for the upright. Still undecided abut which direction I want to go, I built in a base plate, lightened, of course to hold what I have, or prep for the upright reinforcement.

Currently this bumper is getting pretty strong. I think it is easily capable of pushing cars out of the way of piercing and dividing a standard stick build house wall, so I might just stop here.

I am likely going with a light case of exoskeleton, so there in more tubaliarity over that next hill
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:35:21 PM
The plates required a good deal of custom fitting as each side is slightly different, but I got them to fit in
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:38:22 PM
Then after application of smoke producing sparks, I had this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:40:29 PM
And that was a spark filled day, numba 261 in the Square D exaggerated oil change
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 01, 2015, 09:44:36 PM
my mark 1 may be off calibration don, but the square upright you put on the driver side looks crooked....................?
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 01, 2015, 09:50:41 PM
It's square Nate, did it with a piece of square...but...the outside tube on the drivers side is inclined slightly inward. I noticed it right away. I am nearly 2cm different left to right

DA#(!@&!!!! it!

OK, spilt milk, it's done, I'm moving on...
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 01, 2015, 09:55:33 PM
Looks good Don.  I like the horizontal you added.  It looks better than what I drew, for sure.  Any idea of the total weight so far?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 01, 2015, 10:06:36 PM
brother, I just wanted to make sure that your mark 1 has not been compromised. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 02, 2015, 01:01:59 AM
The square tube support with it tying into the push tube looks great.

Just don't stop fast, I think you may roll onto the front axle!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 02:14:09 PM
Looks good Don.  I like the horizontal you added.  It looks better than what I drew, for sure.  Any idea of the total weight so far?
Haven't weighed it, but it's heavy. A couple hundred pounds without the winch, for sure!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 02:16:03 PM
The square tube support with it tying into the push tube looks great.

Just don't stop fast, I think you may roll onto the front axle!
Counterweight my friend

The thing I'm building on the back end will make this look like an erector set!

It'll balance. But when I come to a stop in hot asphalt, the truck might just sink!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on June 02, 2015, 05:21:39 PM
The square tube support with it tying into the push tube looks great.

Just don't stop fast, I think you may roll onto the front axle!
Counterweight my friend

The thing I'm building on the back end will make this look like an erector set!

It'll balance. But when I come to a stop in hot asphalt, the truck might just sink!

You might have to up the load rating on those tires!  Bumper looks great Don-
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 08:34:30 PM
Thanks Mike

Well tonight I got it close to being ready to finish

Let's start with a view of these welds that are smoothed.

The technique is to hit the weld with the big 7" grinder with an aggressive disc, then finish it with a 4.5" #40 then 80 grit flap wheel for a polished appearance that will vastly reduce finishing with the body filler
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
There's a lot of work at this point, several hours in fact. Enough to have you spitting out grit.

But it's starting to smooth up
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 08:37:44 PM
There are a lot of big heavy welds. There is around 15 or so pounds of .030 welding wire and an entire tank of gas spent on this piece of steel to this point
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 08:39:34 PM
Most exterior welds were smoothed and the panels blended, however some were left untouched such as in the inside, and a few on the outside, and some got a minimum cleanup because they will be covered by things like the fairhead
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 08:41:34 PM
I'll need to sandblast the corners to clean all that junk out of there prior to coating with the acid etch primer.

Here it is about half way through
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 08:46:07 PM
And getting done

I still have to cut the holes to mount the parking lights. They will be going directly into the bash plate and have a rib of steel formed around them to keep them intact when punching through cheap foreign cars.

I am also considering adding a lower "Skirt" to the thing. Right now it just ends with an edge. I think I might add another piece, perhaps a 3-4" section extending aft at a steeply swept back angle so that when a Civic passes under I won't spill a drop of my micky-D's quoffee.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 02, 2015, 08:48:14 PM
So there it is, and I just crunched on a piece of grit with my teeth! YEOWWWLL

That's it for Build Day 262
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 02, 2015, 11:18:41 PM
Ahrgh! I do not so fondly remember the grinding and polishing.
It is a metric ton of work. And somewhere half way or so I realized why the cost so much to just buy.

Looking good tho chief!
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Post by: OldKooT on June 03, 2015, 07:32:33 AM
Looking good Don, and just wow at the welding/grinding on that thing. Where will you mount the license plate?

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Post by: Atkinsmatt on June 03, 2015, 08:23:01 AM
Looking good.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 08:23:11 AM
Looking good Don, and just wow at the welding/grinding on that thing. Where will you mount the license plate?


Don't need no stinkin front license plate in the Tucky!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 08:24:13 AM
Looking good.

Not that good...Adequate though, I'll give it that much

Should knock a deer into the next county without losing step
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 06:58:19 PM
Let's get that skirt sewn on the bumper.

I flipped the bumper over to gain access. I was noticing the weld penetration. All the way through that base .250" plate!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:00:16 PM
So starting at the "Nose" and using some 3/16" X 4" plate I tacked in the first two pieces. Like I mentioned earlier, the lower skirt is laid back at a pretty good angle to help slide over stuff and to reinforce the front plates
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:01:32 PM
Then the two center pieces.

I was able to cut these on that carbide chop saw so the work went faster and the cuts were square
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:03:29 PM
This time I was grinding and smoothing as I went to keep from having a spark fest that lasted all night!

Sort of upside down/right-side up but I'm showing the center wedge that will help divide things I wish to "lift and separate"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:04:32 PM
Then onto the wings, piece by piece
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:06:02 PM
And here are the parts crudely welded into place before I cut them in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:07:06 PM
I cut out the corner with the plasma and blended it all in with the grinders
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
And here is a few views of the added section
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:11:45 PM
Some finished views
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:13:34 PM
I like the way that came out. Didn't reduce ground clearance much but added a bunch of strength and finished up that "Can't figure out what to do flat bottom look"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
While I was at it, I added two more internal braces tying the support bar into the front and vertical riser
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 03, 2015, 07:15:58 PM
And that is what I got done today, build day 263
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 03, 2015, 07:30:24 PM
wow
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 03, 2015, 09:33:01 PM
That is a monster. Looks great! Got to be getting heavy as all heck now though.
I like the lower raked back addition. I had thought about it and plain ran out of time to add it in to my build.
Now seeing it on yours, I may have to revisit it. Seems to 'complete' the bumper.
Me likey! 8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 03, 2015, 11:17:17 PM
Looks great!  Really fits the truck and project!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 04, 2015, 01:29:34 AM
That skirt finished it off nice. Maybe a few "kia" gussets so it stays as is?

Your gonna have to hang it on an engine hoist to paint it though!!!!!!!

You "bench" looks just as cluttered as mine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 08:20:15 AM
That skirt finished it off nice. Maybe a few "kia" gussets so it stays as is?

Your gonna have to hang it on an engine hoist to paint it though!!!!!!!

You "bench" looks just as cluttered as mine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Man you and I think the same!

Going over to Slowes today to score a couple bags of silica sand. Then I'll hang it from the engine crane and shoot it clean. I'm not worried about painting the thing, but moving it over to bolt it on is scaring me to death!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 04, 2015, 12:11:03 PM
That skirt finished it off nice. Maybe a few "kia" gussets so it stays as is?

Your gonna have to hang it on an engine hoist to paint it though!!!!!!!

You "bench" looks just as cluttered as mine,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Man you and I think the same!

Going over to Slowes today to score a couple bags of silica sand. Then I'll hang it from the engine crane and shoot it clean. I'm not worried about painting the thing, but moving it over to bolt it on is scaring me to death!

Yeah, looking like you're heading well North of 200# I'm thinking before the winch.
You're going to want some extra hands on deck for the install.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: akraven on June 04, 2015, 02:24:43 PM
The skirt really finishes it off. I do have one thought though if you do push against something and you ride up over it is the backward angle of the skirt going to catch and hold you there? IF so maybe an angled plate welded to the skirt in the back to allow something to ride up and over going back out?  I know more weight.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on June 04, 2015, 04:19:54 PM
wow

Laughed so hard when I saw this post! I had been saying it out loud w/ every new picture! anyone born in the late 70's early 80's might be reminded of the transformers character IRONHIDE as I was when I saw the side view of the fully skirted bumper. WELL DONE SIR! Now grab that bull bar and start w/ the bench curls!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 04, 2015, 06:26:33 PM
Man, that thing is a beast! Perfect match for ol square sides. Bravo.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:38:31 PM
Speaking of weight, today I lifted it on the engine hoist. It's definitely heavy!

A lot of bumpers like this commercially made are mostly 11 gage steel with some 3/16" plate.

Mine is 1/4" plate, and doubled up in places with the propensity of it being 3/16", but even having sections of 3/8"

It will top 300 with the winch pretty easily and my guess is it will affect handling if it were not for the upcoming rear setup, which you numbskulls are going to love. Think this thing as some gadgetry design, wait till you see my "Check-6" build.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:42:53 PM
First off today I added the limb riser cable stays. A 3/32" or 1/8", or maybe a 3/16" cable will attach to this point and rise to the top outboard corners of the roof rack. Obviously the cables will serve to hold the truck together should it get infested with termites

or

Serve to lift branches out of the way as effortlessly as Obama sold our freedoms to the highest bidder!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:44:42 PM
Next, I cut in the parking lights which used to reside in the lower edge of the fenders. They will now ride fully protected in this steel juggernaut!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:45:35 PM
After some fancy plasma sword work the lens fits like this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:47:49 PM
Are we done yet?

Think young sky-walker and use the force...is it done yet?

Nope, gotta add in this lens guard fitment:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:52:17 PM
And welds in like this
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:53:16 PM
Assemblized
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:54:38 PM
Here's where things started getting heavy
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 07:57:33 PM
After applying 50 pounds of high velocity sand

Did I type sand??

Eye-sockets are sort of gritty along with my molars, ears, and Ranger-dog
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 08:01:42 PM
And you may have noticed I didn't cut out for the LED flush mount lights. Well after measuring several times I surprised myself by not being able to find enough space to make a hole that was devoid of something being on the backside. HMMM, have to do something different.

Oh well, such is life

You can see that playground sand really cleaned that thing up. Fired up the red dog as well. Made an off hand 12 foot shot and caught her on the backside...Man that dog can move out!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 04, 2015, 08:03:53 PM
Working half days on SquareD these busy early summer days. And that my friends is all she wrote for build day 263
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 05, 2015, 12:25:09 AM
Knew you get the hoist involved with this.

How much media did you use up? Thinking bout using walnut on mine. I did a frame once with sand and I wasn't clean for a week.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 05, 2015, 09:14:02 AM
Knew you get the hoist involved with this.

How much media did you use up? Thinking bout using walnut on mine. I did a frame once with sand and I wasn't clean for a week.

Yea, that hoist was necessary!

No lifting that monstrosity

Has to come near a sb chevy block assembly in weight!

I have a HF 110 lb pressurized sand blaster. It was about a forth full, to which I added another 50 lb bag. I sprayed until A. I had no skin left, and B. the goggles I was wearing were so opaque I couldn't see anymore, and C. My hearing went away with ears clogged with sand, and D. my teeth partially eroded away, and E. I ran out of sand.

Most of that happened concurrently!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on June 05, 2015, 01:44:37 PM
Next time you blast something use "Black Diamond" media, you can snag it at tractor supply and other such places. It works much faster, it's much healthier, and overall is mo better. It does require some playing with tip size...I use a 1/8 tip with the medium grit. My wife can clean a 14 bolt axle housing in under 10 minutes. With the finer grit I use a smaller unknown size nozzle ( I know lots of help) LoL Keep in mind the 1/8 tip size requires serious CFM. My compressor with 1" feed lines/hose and 160 gal of air can keep up..that's about 23cfm at 150 psi. But anything less, you'd have to pause to maintain pressure pot air volume.

The bumper looks great Don...if it weighs 300lbs your rear bumper according to ma farmer calculator will need to weight 750lbs to compensate for the already light rear end vs heavy front end ratio of leverage n such none sense LoL



Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cruizng on June 05, 2015, 01:49:51 PM
Knew you get the hoist involved with this.

How much media did you use up? Thinking bout using walnut on mine. I did a frame once with sand and I wasn't clean for a week.

Yea, that hoist was necessary!

No lifting that monstrosity

Has to come near a sb chevy block assembly in weight!

I have a HF 110 lb pressurized sand blaster. It was about a forth full, to which I added another 50 lb bag. I sprayed until A. I had no skin left, and B. the goggles I was wearing were so opaque I couldn't see anymore, and C. My hearing went away with ears clogged with sand, and D. my teeth partially eroded away, and E. I ran out of sand.

Most of that happened concurrently!

Don, Why not just start up SquareD and back it out, turn around and use the John Deere to lift it into place...??  Oh wait... I'm ahead of myself. Nevermind...  8) 8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 05, 2015, 02:40:38 PM
Knew you get the hoist involved with this.

How much media did you use up? Thinking bout using walnut on mine. I did a frame once with sand and I wasn't clean for a week.

Yea, that hoist was necessary!

No lifting that monstrosity

Has to come near a sb chevy block assembly in weight!

I have a HF 110 lb pressurized sand blaster. It was about a forth full, to which I added another 50 lb bag. I sprayed until A. I had no skin left, and B. the goggles I was wearing were so opaque I couldn't see anymore, and C. My hearing went away with ears clogged with sand, and D. my teeth partially eroded away, and E. I ran out of sand.

Most of that happened concurrently!

Don, Why not just start up SquareD and back it out, turn around and use the John Deere to lift it into place...??  Oh wait... I'm ahead of myself. Nevermind...  8) 8)
Mr. Big Green is living comfortably down at the farm

My main consideration for starting up SquareD is JR. I am concerned about his health. He seems to be building in stress and anxiety over not hearing it run. So I'll have to drop everything and get it running just so he doesn't, drop...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 05, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Keep in mind the 1/8 tip size requires serious CFM. My compressor with 1" feed lines/hose and 160 gal of air can keep up..that's about 23cfm at 150 psi. But anything less, you'd have to pause to maintain pressure pot air volume.

The bumper looks great Don...if it weighs 300lbs your rear bumper according to ma farmer calculator will need to weight 750lbs to compensate for the already light rear end vs heavy front end ratio of leverage n such none sense LoL

Compressor is up to the task:


Model number:
 

Model :
 
PPE07V080V1
 

Description
 
7.5HP Two Stage Air Compressor
 

Pump :
 

Pump model number
 
APP4V1043T
 

Max PSI
 
175
 

SCFM
 
29 @ 100PSI / 26 @ 175 PSI
 

Pump Style
 
Two Stage V-4
 

Factory Settings
 
 145 PSI Shut off Max Pressure - Turn on Pressure 100 PSI
 

Pump RPM
 
640
 

Pump Material
 
Solid Cast Iron
 

Motor:
 

Running HP
 
7.5 HP
 

Voltage
 
208/230 Volt AC
 

Phase
 
1 Phase
 

Running AMP
 
32 AMP @ 208/230 VOLT
 

Start Up AMP
 
64 AMP @ 208/230
 

Recommended Breaker
 
50 AMP @ 208/230
 

Motor RPM
 
1750
 

Tank
 

Size
 
80 Gallon Vertical
 

Outlet Size
 
NPT 3/4"
 

Drain Type
 
Manual
 

Additional Information:
 

Dimensions ( L x W x H )
 
31 1/4" x 42 1/2" x 70 1/2"
 

Weight (Lbs)
 
918
 

Shipping Weight (LBS)
 
938
 

Certification
 
UL, CSA, ASME
 

Noise Rating
 
73 DBA
 

Warranty
 
5 year Bumper to Bumper- no Pro-rated
 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 05, 2015, 02:49:56 PM
Norm reply, still:

There is quite a bit going in the back still.
1. 80 odd gallon fuel tank, forward bed mounted
2. HD Bumper
3. Fuel/water can mount
4. Spare tire mount
5. Spare tire/wheel
6. Winch
7. Hi-lift jack
8. ladder/step thing
9. Awning
10. Back hatch/door assembly
11. Big outside accessible first aid kit
In the bed:
12. Recovery stuff kit
13. Spare parts kit
14. Fold away bunk
15. Seasonal "A" bag
16. Selected stuff (Ammo, food, electronics, clothing, environmental)

So between the bed and the bumper I'll exceed 750 lbs by a factor of 2-3
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 05, 2015, 04:14:48 PM
My comp is s little shy of that, but not much.

I am thinking walnut as I don't plan on saving it AND I want less mess. I do have a TSC about 10 minutes away and will check that stuff out.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 12:15:59 AM
I didn't have much time to work on the bumper today, but I did get a good heavy coat of acid etching primer sprayed on

Here is the bumper after a through bath of solvent. The surface was rough like fine sandpaper, so that sand blasting definitely made an impression
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 12:16:55 AM
This paint is not the cheap stuff. You mix the primer with an activator just before spraying, then get right to it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 12:18:34 AM
That bumper literally soaked up that paint. I sprayed a full gun, then had to top the gun off three more times, finally running out of primer and I didn't get completely finished!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 12:19:38 AM
But, it did a pretty good job of covering everything!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:32:08 PM
Today I made some small improvements to the bumper then painted it

First I added a couple grounding lugs. I'll run a ground strap from the engine block to the bumper, then have a dedicated ground lug for the winch
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:34:53 PM
I noticed (And no one caught it) but I forgot to wrap the upper steel link with an edge piece. So I fired up the welder once again and got those suckers welded on
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:36:26 PM
With that done, I lightly sanded the whole bumper with steel wool to scratch up the surface, then used undercoating on the inside and underside surfaces.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:37:23 PM
Here's the underside, and I'm thinking this is plenty good enough as a starting point
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:40:00 PM
I used my favorite semi gloss black paint with hardener
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:43:18 PM
The plan was, with consideration to how much primer that bumper ate up, to paint just the tubes and supports black, with two coats.  The flat panels of the bumper would then be finished with Raptor Urethane bed liner at a later time.

But lady luck was smiling in my direction and I had enough paint to give everything three coats!

Here's the first...This paint gives great coverage!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:44:27 PM
And here it is afterward with all the paint sprayed on and with some drying time:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:47:39 PM
I will decide tomorrow or Monday whether to hold steady as she goes, or proceed with taping off the tubing and uprights, and spraying the bumper with Raptor liner. Frankly with the goobered up look of some of those welds, I might be money ahead to go the bed liner (Hide-ah-mistake) approach.

Anyway, here's the scene at the end of build day 266
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 06, 2015, 09:54:26 PM
hide-ah-mistake

;D

would that be like privates doing the P.O.D. (paint over dirt) method?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 06, 2015, 09:57:41 PM
Yea, kina like that

Difference being, my dirt is pretty solid! Just not prudy.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 06, 2015, 10:07:15 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 07, 2015, 08:24:43 AM
That bumper would fit that square Chevy of yours Nate

I'd almost be willing to trade for some of those meals you have posted up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 07, 2015, 02:08:55 PM
its not me you have to convince, its tracey and her truck
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 07, 2015, 02:46:53 PM
NO...Trade my bumper for some of those meals!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 07, 2015, 03:02:12 PM
;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 07, 2015, 07:02:24 PM
I'm not doing anything today. It's sunday and I am, indeed, making this a day of rest!

But tomorrow...tomorrow that bumper will either get bolted back on or get sprayed partially with the Raptor.

What say ye (Not that I'll pay attention to any of it, but just for grins...what do ya think?)

I might just scratch up the paint and raptorize the lower panel on the truck while I'm at it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on June 07, 2015, 08:51:29 PM
raptorize. when the salt a commith you'll be glad you did or cryin if you didnt
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 07, 2015, 09:12:11 PM
Raptor.
I'm doing the same as you...nothing!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 07, 2015, 09:45:51 PM
i say raptor, I made 25-30 breakfast plates at the vfw this morning for our monthly breakfast and then I made some pizza this evening on the smoker (first time and it was a success).
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 07, 2015, 10:29:27 PM
...All the proding I needed. Excuse me, I meant, Prodin'

Raptor it is.

Side of the truck as well, cause it's time?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 07, 2015, 10:32:18 PM
Raptor on the bumper.
I'd cast a vote for the truck as well up to the body line.
I've got a couple chips in my paint already, so the rusty patina is a comin' my way.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 07, 2015, 10:33:56 PM
^^^Raptor, confirmed!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 08, 2015, 05:19:18 AM
Looks  great, Don. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on June 08, 2015, 12:35:19 PM
Raptor that sucker up! boogered welds and all it looks better than anything out of the box, that's for sure.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 08, 2015, 12:54:51 PM
Raptor that sucker up! boogered welds and all it looks better than anything out of the box, that's for sure.
Went to get some this morn, but the paint store no longer carries it, so I'm back to       A & W (Amazon and wait)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on June 08, 2015, 01:24:48 PM
Went to get some this morn, but the paint store no longer carries it, so I'm back to       A & W (Amazon and wait)

O'Reilly Auto, AutoZone and et al, generally have Herculiner for sale in there, that's pretty good stuff as well. If they do, then you won't have to wait, which means more build thread for us all to read...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 08, 2015, 02:19:44 PM
Went to get some this morn, but the paint store no longer carries it, so I'm back to       A & W (Amazon and wait)

O'Reilly Auto, AutoZone and et al, generally have Herculiner for sale in there, that's pretty good stuff as well. If they do, then you won't have to wait, which means more build thread for us all to read...
Bobby,

The herc stuff is not as good as the Raptor by a fair stretch. Not a 2-part urethane, just a brush on cheapo.

Already ordered a Raptor kit...$125 with shipping, be here Wednesday
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on June 08, 2015, 03:01:38 PM

Bobby,

The herc stuff is not as good as the Raptor by a fair stretch. Not a 2-part urethane, just a brush on cheapo.

Already ordered a Raptor kit...$125 with shipping, be here Wednesday

But that's 48 hrs away !
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: akraven on June 08, 2015, 03:03:13 PM
NAPA carries it here.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 08, 2015, 04:44:58 PM
No NAPA near here that I know about

We have ORilleys, Autozone, some other a-zone like store, and Kentucky motors. I use the first and the last and am vaguely aware of the other two.

Besides it's already on the way

And

I have another development.

Last night one of the pre-Rangers pulled a 101.5 with projectile pukin'. Second one started it about noon, now I'm feeling it...
Probably a blessing that the stuff won't be here for 48.

I started in on another truck project on SquareD but finally gave it up around 1630... I'll lay around and complain, see if I can get some sympathy.
It's a long shot, but who knows!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 08, 2015, 06:06:39 PM
No NAPA near here that I know about

We have ORilleys, Autozone, some other a-zone like store, and Kentucky motors. I use the first and the last and am vaguely aware of the other two.

Besides it's already on the way

And

I have another development.

Last night one of the pre-Rangers pulled a 101.5 with projectile pukin'. Second one started it about noon, now I'm feeling it...
Probably a blessing that the stuff won't be here for 48.

I started in on another truck project on SquareD but finally gave it up around 1630... I'll lay around and complain, see if I can get some sympathy.
It's a long shot, but who knows!

KIA's striking back for all that bumper you built to bugger them outta the way with-

Probably ASIAN flu......GET WELL Don! :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 08, 2015, 06:22:11 PM
There's Asian flu around now?

I'm not so bad now, but when I was sweatin it up in the garage I was feelin a bit peekish
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Atkinsmatt on June 08, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Get well. Praying for you.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 08, 2015, 08:11:59 PM
There's Asian flu around now?

I'm not so bad now, but when I was sweatin it up in the garage I was feelin a bit peekish

No, was for comic effect to tie in with KIA - glad you're not fully down and out, fight the bug!  Nate, whip up some chicken soup for Big D and send him a sniff-o-gram!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 09, 2015, 08:34:59 AM
I definitely picked up something. I feel like I have been run over by an eighteen wheeler, who backed up and ran over me a second time...with both sides.

Probably a bad idea but gonna try some quoffee
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: DOOLEY on June 09, 2015, 09:25:11 AM
COFFEE CURES EVERYTHING. HOPE YA FEEL BETTER DON.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 09, 2015, 09:37:50 AM
Rest up and feel better brother D.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 09, 2015, 09:48:50 AM
Thanks, Gentlemen
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 09, 2015, 01:39:42 PM
Just make it real coffee BD.

I think there are videos of getting run over on youtube, might "kill" some time.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 09, 2015, 02:00:17 PM
Just make it real coffee BD.

I think there are videos of getting run over on youtube, might "kill" some time.
A colonel buddy of mine sent me some YouTube links.

Good one

An ISIS dude was dancing around twirling his rifle and tossing it about.
Yup, you guessed it. He dropped it and shot himself!

So I guess guns actually DO kill people.

Was a good clip, kinda brought a tear to my eye in a hopeful sort of way...

https://www.facebook.com/RyoooD/videos/790577004310714/
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Post by: cudakidd53 on June 09, 2015, 02:29:23 PM
I guess that's why all the flag twirlers here at school can only use wooden guns- only, sometimes the routines make you wish they were real.......
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on June 09, 2015, 03:42:26 PM
Maybe that was a gun that they captured from the Iraqi forces.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 09, 2015, 04:22:08 PM
Maybe that was a gun that they captured from the Iraqi forces.
French!

Only dropped once, never been fired!
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Post by: KensAuto on June 09, 2015, 04:50:56 PM
LOL
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Post by: Armalite on June 10, 2015, 10:51:55 AM
Nice bumper.  It's a beast.  Even a Texan would be proud to have that joker bolted on their truck!

Second on the Black Beauty media.  TSC locally does not carry it here, but several oilfield supply stores stock it.  Best thing you can get.  Hands down...  8)
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Post by: rasimmo on June 11, 2015, 12:08:15 AM
Finally got caught up on this. Remind me to never ask for your help on a fluids change and freshening up. With that bumper you could use this for tree clearing duty, and sell big red to fund other projects.

Maybe not just yet. It kinda needs to run for that.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 09:03:45 AM
Finally got caught up on this. Remind me to never ask for your help on a fluids change and freshening up. With that bumper you could use this for tree clearing duty, and sell big red to fund other projects.

Maybe not just yet. It kinda needs to run for that.
I could almost package all this and sell it as a book!

Much more to come on SquareD which is evolving into the "Never-ending project."
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Post by: Nate on June 11, 2015, 09:26:09 AM
"how to properly conduct a complete fluid change".........?
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 10:55:20 AM
Don't tell JR

He'll freak

All I'll hear is "Let's hear it run"

There will be bold, italicized, moving banners and he'll get other people all fired up and they will chime in as well.

And we definitely DON'T NEED THAT!

Plus, consider the agin' man's blood pressure. Hey he already lives in the Kalifornia which has to be nerve rackin' enough already, and he had a career of catchin' bad guys just so the criminal injustice system could release them then turn around and investigate him for possible rights abuses...

(worst part of that for guys like Bobby, me, Blaine, and Nate is he didn't get to shoot em!)

So don't tell him!

I started building the rear bumper! Yea, just having fun right now meltin' metal. Kinda like diggin' a hole when I was a kid (last year)

So, I just ordered the winch for it. Not going with the Badlands because, well, I'm not sure if I trust them. I went with Superwinch, because I do! And I found a store which sold it for $349 with free shipping...free shipping on a 94 pound winch!

Remember, Don't mention a thing to JR...Oh I can just hear it now....
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:39:07 PM
OK, got lucky there...No comments from the peanut gallery...

So even though this cold thing is still werkin on me, I started the day off cutting the grass..OK, that went OK, so off to catch up some more stuff that's been lagging.

With no major relapse, I decided to tackle the front bumper to take it in for the touchdown.

The paint cured very well, this is what it looked like before I started
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:41:57 PM
So the plan will be to keep the tubular stuff just like it is and the knarly looking parts get covered with Raptor sprayed as messy as I can get it!

Bumper was washed again, taped, and prepped.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:42:28 PM
And here's the stuff:
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:43:44 PM
The results
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Post by: JR on June 11, 2015, 06:44:02 PM
What does a rear bumper have to do with it running?

Just procrastinating,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:44:45 PM
What does a rear bumper have to do with it running?

Just procrastinating,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



Who told you?
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:46:10 PM
I think that'll do!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:49:10 PM
I started building the rear bumper, really just because I wanted to do an initial layout to see how some things were going to fit, and where I would end up mounting some stuff. I also want to get the majority of the weight on the truck because I am getting close to redoing the rear springs and adding leaves to the front leaf pack

As for starting up the motor, I'm just skeered!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:50:49 PM
I'm starting with two 21" long sections of .250" plate

Here they are marked to locate the existing holes. I certainly DO NOT need to drill any more holes into that frame!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:52:02 PM
I'm starting with 5 holes on each side with the forward one hopefully tying into the side bumper mount and possibly the shackle flip which will be close
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:52:28 PM
1/2" hardware out back
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:53:57 PM
The nuts are tacked to the plates with the bolts threading in from the outside which will be easy to get to
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 06:55:05 PM
And that is all she wrote for today.

Short day, but at least that bumper is done and ready for assembly
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Post by: KensAuto on June 11, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
Looks good....so why did you raptor liner it? :pokethebigD
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 09:11:48 PM
Looks good....so why did you raptor liner it? :pokethebigD

Just felt like covering those ugly welds instead of grindin' and using body filler I suppose
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on June 11, 2015, 09:27:56 PM
Looks great.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 10:48:53 PM
^^^ See, someone likes it!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 11, 2015, 10:56:19 PM
I think that Don plans to just make this the eternal project with no chance of actually running or driving it....
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Post by: Pulley on June 11, 2015, 10:59:38 PM
What's the point of bumpers for a truck that doesn't run?  ;)
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Post by: JR on June 12, 2015, 01:17:01 AM
The coating looks good and just where its needed.

OK, why the chair? Gonna have a gun mount back there  8)
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Post by: Sammconn on June 12, 2015, 07:39:31 AM
Looks real good there Big D!
Did I hear you mention you're going to start it!
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Post by: moto123 on June 12, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
I am beginning to become suspicious ... I think he DID try to fire up the engine and after multiple failed attempts he wants to string us along while he works out the issues in secret.  Gotta preserve that reputation of perfection after all.  ;)

Or maybe not and with a magic turn of the key he will ....

FIRE IT UP
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:07:01 PM
I am beginning to become suspicious ... I think he DID try to fire up the engine and after multiple failed attempts he wants to string us along while he works out the issues in secret.  Gotta preserve that reputation of perfection after all.  ;)

Or maybe not and with a magic turn of the key he will ....

FIRE IT UP
Naw, no secrets
And I don't maintain a spot free reputation. More like "He finally got it right" reputation.

OK, today I went out there and said what the heck, I'm going to just start the thing up. Well I threw on the fuel pumps as I'll need to frime the entire system with diesel, and I couldn't get any fuel to the lift pumps!!!!!!!!!

Yup, I could barely hear then running but no pumping. I have a sump, but the line rises to clear the frame, then descends to the pump inlet. I guess there is not enough fuel in the tank at the moment to push it that far, so I still am in a no run situation. I added 10 gallons of fuel to the empty tank, but I'll probably have to add in another 10 gallons to get it to prime.

Linkage or no linkage, I would also like to know if it will in fact run!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:09:45 PM
So with that failure to start situation hanging in the air, I spied the HB (Hanging bumper) and thought I could better store it on the front of the truck.

Here it is after the coatings all cured with the paper and tape removed
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:10:39 PM
Next I threw on the roller fairhead
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:11:45 PM
And the winch controller along with a couple Clevises.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:12:45 PM
Then the bumper was maneuvered into place
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:14:17 PM
I made some reference marks on the wheel well and measured before all that weight was bolted on

The left side is definitely riding about 1/2" lower then the right
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:16:49 PM
Actually installing that bumper was really easy.  I just raised the bumper into alignment and slid it back until it stopped, started the six bolts then using an impact tightened them all. Total time maybe 5 minutes!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:17:24 PM
And the crane is outta there!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:19:07 PM
After cutting some of the upper rib away in the fine tuning stage, I ended up with pretty decent clearance between the bumper and the fender
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:22:43 PM
The various tubes seem to clear the headlights good enough and are symmetrical, and the fit and look works with the truck's purpose and lines

Keep in mind, this is only step two in the "Hardening up" of this old war horse, step one was the roof rack/hard points thing. As I build the rest of the system in over the next 30 or so years it will turn into a pretty stout package
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:25:00 PM
The winch wires directly to the preinstalled maxi-fuse, but I just realized if the winch would blow that circuit, I'd also loose all the stuff in the overhead switch panel...sooo, I'll need to wire in yet another Maxi fuse dedicated only to the winch
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
And that's it for another abbreviated build day, #268
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Post by: Nate on June 12, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
comin together nicely. 
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Post by: akraven on June 12, 2015, 10:10:37 PM
Looks really good!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on June 12, 2015, 10:12:06 PM
That bumper looks great!  Impressive how quick and easy it all went back in place for you!  :)
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Post by: KensAuto on June 13, 2015, 08:14:16 AM
It turned out great!

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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 09:51:39 AM
Last night the welds failed and the thing broke apart!
Not so good after all!
and
Hillary Clinton would make a great president!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on June 13, 2015, 10:57:30 AM
Last night the welds failed and the thing broke apart!
Not so good after all!
and
Hillary Clinton would make a great president!

Hey Don-

Close the window in your study, the wind blew your calendar back to the beginning of April!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 02:46:04 PM
 :)
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Post by: JR on June 13, 2015, 03:03:21 PM
That looks great. TO bad it didn't start, just add a little air pressure to the tank.

Hillary will occupy our house if it doesn't start,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: KensAuto on June 13, 2015, 06:25:00 PM
That looks great. TO bad it didn't start, just add a little air pressure to the tank.

Hillary will occupy our house if it doesn't start,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

This is exactly what I was thinking.

JR, I think it was a faint, just to get you off his back! haha
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
I have a pesky leak in the fuel tank filler tube. Enough to dribble fuel all over the floor when I'm filling it and prevent me from being to pressurize the tank at all...

I'll call this a build day, but with the blaah of this lingering cold, it was sort of like work only slower.

So I concentrated on getting the winch out of the box and off the floor because now there is another winch sitting on the floor also!

First thing I had to do was mount this circuit breaker assembly. To do that I fashioned up a bar out of some copper flat stock I had here
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
Mounting the circuit breaker in line and beside the maxi-fuse off the main battery
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:32:17 PM
That made the fitted positive cable too long so I cut it down and soldered in a copper lug I had handy in my hardware assortment
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:33:23 PM
While installing that I routed it through a thick zip lock baggie to give it some weather protection
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:35:42 PM
Next, and after securing a shortened ground cable to the motor housing, I dropped the winch into place. I used my old trick of holding those square nuts in place with some heavy grease which not only keeps things right where they need to be, but pretty much weather proofs the bolt, threads, nut, and mount. I have found that area to be a high corrosion area in winches from the past
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:38:15 PM
I'm really happy with how the underside of that frontal area turned out. No real areas to hang up on like stock and anything that a rock might hit is steel and pretty thick.

Note also that the springs have turned flat on me...probably due to the magnetic field around in the iron rich (not) rocks of Kentucky! Or possibly because there is a couple of tons of weight pushing on them...???
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:40:50 PM
Then the rest of the cables were connected, the cable threaded through the rollers, the hook attached and a function check performed.

Unlike the engine, this motor runs and ran the first time. Call this project in the bag...Now if I would only have installed the marker light lenses before I bolted that bumper in!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:42:07 PM
The dogs jumped up a couple times and ran out after something. Later, I found another brown box sitting in the shop with that new SuperWinch inside
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Post by: Dawg25385 on June 13, 2015, 06:42:50 PM
Bumper looks really nice chief. Whatcha gonna do about those springs? Will adding a leaf be enough?


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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:46:51 PM
That cat is a big male, and he adores me. Doesn't care about anyone else though. Doesn't care about the dogs. Doesn't respond to anyone or anything, including the dogs, I'd swear it's mentally ill for it has no fear.

The dogs are annoyed at this fact. They jump up and rush it with all sorts of barking and gnashing of teeth, but the cat won't even acknowledge them, and even sometimes lays down while they are trying to get him up to run. I guess he is like a drunk driver...nothing natural kills them.

I was safe and secure the whole time guarded by the red dog which failed at least three times to get that cat, which I named "Scout" to run. The sled dog provided over-watch and command and control over the other critters
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:47:55 PM
Bumper looks really nice chief. Whatcha gonna do about those springs? Will adding a leaf be enough?


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Going to add two leaves from the 25 year old skyjacker 6" lift springs
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 06:49:12 PM
So that's the situation in the build garage on this very humid early summer afternoon
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Post by: Nate on June 13, 2015, 08:10:48 PM
and where was ranger while all this was going on? 

let me play devils advocate or murphy's partner in crime here for a moment.  are you sure that that copper thing-a-ma-jig that you spliced into that fuse is not going to cause any problems and will hold up over time.....?  I ask that because the way that you showed almost seems like running a power strip off of another power strip because you didn't have a long enough piece of proper cable to wire it in correctly......?
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Post by: JR on June 13, 2015, 09:31:50 PM
That looks great. TO bad it didn't start, just add a little air pressure to the tank.

Hillary will occupy our house if it doesn't start,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

This is exactly what I was thinking.

JR, I think it was a faint, just to get you off his back! haha

I think I started the get it run, but far from being alone now,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
and where was ranger while all this was going on? 

let me play devils advocate or murphy's partner in crime here for a moment.  are you sure that that copper thing-a-ma-jig that you spliced into that fuse is not going to cause any problems and will hold up over time.....?  I ask that because the way that you showed almost seems like running a power strip off of another power strip because you didn't have a long enough piece of proper cable to wire it in correctly......?
It will be fine.
I ran that cable there just for the winch. No way to bolt the circuit breaker assembly without an "Adapter"
It's coming off the hot battery side so no load on that fuse at all.
Vibration would be my only concern, but it's soft copper made to make bus bars with in circuit breaker panels.
Besides the truck isn't seeing much in the way of vibration...it's not running and no earthquakes since 1928... ;-))
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2015, 10:20:36 PM
That looks great. TO bad it didn't start, just add a little air pressure to the tank.

Hillary will occupy our house if it doesn't start,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

This is exactly what I was thinking.

JR, I think it was a faint, just to get you off his back! haha

I think I started the get it run, but far from being alone now,,,,,,,,,,,
There has been a bunch of reasons why I haven't started it myself. First and foremost, I didn't rebuild that engine so I am just taking the word that the diesel mech did it all right. Secondly, the P-Pump has a hard spot in the travel from idle to wide open. Right at the point where the lever acceutates the back end portion of the Bosh injection pump, it tries to bind, then releases.

Because of that, I wanted to get it to a diesel shop and let them start it and work out the bugs, set the timing and do whatever to get me in the 1200-1400 torque range. 

All the big parts are there. The engine is fresh. I tried to do everything I touched perfectly, but I am not liking my throttle cable/pedal and the fact that I can't find a TV cable or those pesky bushings to make the shift linkage work right.

Lots of money here folks...Like probably over 10Grand just in the engine and trans. I'd like to take precautions, thus the trained mech.

Meanwhile, I'm good at the other things I have been doing so I have just been pushing the thing down the road to being done.

Believe me, I want it mostly done. To the point I can use it some and tinker with it.
Because
I want to build a rack and front end on C-Max
And
I want to build a tactical camper out of that HMMV trailer so I have the SquareD survival system more or less, done.

So, make of it what you will, but that and some laziness mixed in for good measure, and that's why the thing isn't started yet. But you folks help push me in a good way to motivate me to put down the plasma for a moment and "Fire it up"
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Post by: OldKooT on June 14, 2015, 07:34:13 AM
Don despite any good nature ribbing we all give you regarding it being running, you have some valid concerns.

As for the TV cable.... why exactly is the problem? They fist gen style, and the sec gen style are available yet from Dodge. Or they were when I replaced mine this last spring. $120 and change for the first gen cable. Guess I have never swapped a P pump onto a 1st gen auto tranny, but it can't be too involved a process. People do it all the time.

If not somewhat familiar with the engine and it being fresh, it may be a grand idea to have a professional start it. Was the cam broke in before you acquired it? If not that's a concern in these. A cummins isn't a inexpensive engine by any means and they have their quirks.

Besides, if you start it too soon it ruins the suspense LoL
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 14, 2015, 08:55:19 AM
Don despite any good nature ribbing we all give you regarding it being running, you have some valid concerns.

As for the TV cable.... why exactly is the problem? They fist gen style, and the sec gen style are available yet from Dodge. Or they were when I replaced mine this last spring. $120 and change for the first gen cable. Guess I have never swapped a P pump onto a 1st gen auto tranny, but it can't be too involved a process. People do it all the time.

If not somewhat familiar with the engine and it being fresh, it may be a grand idea to have a professional start it. Was the cam broke in before you acquired it? If not that's a concern in these. A cummins isn't a inexpensive engine by any means and they have their quirks.

Besides, if you start it too soon it ruins the suspense LoL
Norm, I believe the cam is original to a sub 200K motor.
Story is the young man who owned the engine/truck was growing up, late teen. His uncle, the mechanic was putting together a performance engine, piece by piece. Spring here, timing there.

One day the young man tears the truck up. So he decides to pull the engine and have it rebuilt while he does a home repair on the truck. Well the uncle pulls it and finds perfect bores, as in cross-hatching. He polishes the crank and reinstalls it with new bearings. He replaces the pistons with new std size marine pistons, had the head freshened up with a performance valve job and some cutting. Installs ARP head studs, fixes the dowel pin, and goes through the Bosch P-7100. HE added 4000 RPM springs, laser cut the delivery valves, a #5 fuel plate, and a few other minor things. He said he placed the timing back at 12.5 degrees (Stock) and bolted it all back together. He had replaced the P-Pump earlier while the motor was still running in the truck.

He said it was getting pretty fast back then and he was concerned with going up too much farther with a young guy driving it...

Well, young man in question gets impatient, realizes he is in too deep and buys another truck, while uncle is pretty deep into this freshened up engine, which becomes my good fortune and resolution to the uncle's quandary.

Long story, but I believe the cam is stock, probably a good idea, although I would have liked to replace it with a better one.

TV cable: Mostly procrastination. It will need a 2nd gen. 47RH and the A518 should meet with the trans about the same, but the Bosh pump bracket is a lot farther forward than the VE motor. The stocker was way too short. Anyway, that is not done and I need to spend some time in there to figure it all out. In the end, I think it will run and run fine.
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Post by: OldKooT on June 14, 2015, 10:51:57 AM
Sounds like it should run yes. I have a Hamilton cam in my wife's ramcharger...I forget at the moment which grind it is but for a VE pump the thing goes. That said i may tune it down a little for the crew cab as it's really hard on tires. I think kays on her 4th set of rear ones. But she's known for her 4000 rpm up-shifts, and 45lb's of boost passes down the driveway LoL

Just make sure when ya sling together that tv cable combo you get it adjusted properly... those dern slush boxes don't tolerate a big cummins well if that thing is maladjusted. Ask me how i know?  LoL

BTW I did something on the crew cab yesterday....I found all 4 doors.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 14, 2015, 03:10:13 PM
BTW I did something on the crew cab yesterday....I found all 4 doors.

Freakin' Outstanding!

Let's see the proof and the light patina of rust on that purdy frame in your thread! June is comin' up on 1/2 way done!

Wanna wager?

I'd say I get my rear winch plumbed in and runnin' before you fire up that big cam Cummins in your stretch!
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Post by: KensAuto on June 14, 2015, 03:35:26 PM
......Let's see the proof and the light patina of rust on that purdy frame in your thread! June is comin' up on 1/2 way done!

Wanna wager?

I'd say I get my rear winch plumbed in and runnin' before you fire up that big cam Cummins in your stretch!
I don't remember Norm specifying which June, ......in his defense.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 14, 2015, 03:47:06 PM
......Let's see the proof and the light patina of rust on that purdy frame in your thread! June is comin' up on 1/2 way done!

Wanna wager?

I'd say I get my rear winch plumbed in and runnin' before you fire up that big cam Cummins in your stretch!
I don't remember Norm specifying which June, ......in his defense.
Ahhh, Good point!
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Post by: OldKooT on June 14, 2015, 04:19:30 PM
LoL.... if you can't get a rear winch set up before I restore a entire truck.... And yeah it's June, the big guy upstairs has decided Nebraska is the new rain forest. So adjustment to lake front property and all that, has considerably slowed our progress. Add to that it's warm and my wife wear daisy duke shorts, that also slows progress. Then I also keep getting sidetracked by the bass boat LoL  I have more excuses, but I am sure you've all heard them before LoL

But now since you've decided to challenge me I will take some pictures of something or another just to say I did something LoL

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Post by: Flyin6 on June 14, 2015, 08:32:21 PM
But now since you've decided to challenge me I will take some pictures of something or another just to say I did something LoL

That's the spirit!

And

Besides

Ken pointed out you didn't specify the year, so you're G-T-G
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 14, 2015, 10:08:31 PM
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/popcorn.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 14, 2015, 10:37:40 PM
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/popcorn.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Hey! There's our old friend the popcorn muncher!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 14, 2015, 10:54:05 PM
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/eating/steak.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)

Why have popcorn when you can have steak.. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:43:57 AM
Holy Smokes!!!

More of that stuff^^^

Where did all that come from?

I thought when I set the site up, I eliminated all possibilities of Nate or someone posting up the popcorn thing

There goes my thread!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 15, 2015, 10:07:14 AM
i just fell out of my chair laughing at that one don
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 10:21:18 AM
i just fell out of my chair laughing at that one don
Figures!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 15, 2015, 01:13:40 PM
(http://yoursmiles.org/bsmile/fun/b0240.gif) (http://yoursmiles.org/b-fun.php?page=2)




DO not underestimate a DOT, you have been warned!!!!!!!!!!!!



Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 01:25:12 PM
To those who remain on this site:

JR was just fired and banned.

A ban so devastating, in fact, it has spread to multiple sites!

We'll not be hearin' from him agin'
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cruizng on June 15, 2015, 01:53:11 PM
And that's it for another abbreviated build day, #268

Looking very sweet Don! Multiple Thumbs UP!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 15, 2015, 05:36:39 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 15, 2015, 08:07:31 PM
From the Banned and Fired;

I want to see the trailer buildup,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 08:46:54 PM
From the Banned and Fired;

I want to see the trailer buildup,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

You're the first I inducted into my newest group

Knuckleheads

Definition of a knucklehead:

Someone who has messed with Big D

You're the first!

Wear it proudly...and what was that you were sayin' about messin with me? ;-)))
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:20:46 PM
OK, popcorn eating knuckleheads and other business aside, let's see something getting built!

Still melting in some metal on the back end of the truck. Objective: Get the new Superwinch 9500 tigershark winch properly stored and out of the way! Also get that spare tire and all those water jugs stored as well.

I can just see the floor opening up. Not enough to to shoot hoops like in Duane's garage, but close!

So you'll remember I stubbed out the bumper mounts. Here, I added some 3" angle to it to lower things a tad
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:22:21 PM
Here is the rather large winch mount plate, all 38" of it!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:23:22 PM
Welded in place:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:24:37 PM
Side view showing the profile view of things. The fairhead housing will stick about 2" further aft than this, the main body of the bumper
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:26:02 PM
Next is the roller fairhead mount, made from .250 steel
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:27:30 PM
Same as with the front design, there will be some protrusion and some "Wedging"

Here the plate is prepared for bending by cutting a lot of it away at the bend axis
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:29:21 PM
With two "Wings" welded onto the bent main panel, here is how I envision it wrapping around the winch. I like to cradle all that pulling and twisting with a lot of boxing to spread out the load and resist warping
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:30:47 PM
To beef that up and add some more protection for the winch, I added a "Hood" to the previous assembly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:32:16 PM
With the winch temporarily mounted, The fairhead mount is glued in permanent-like
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:33:13 PM
Fairhead semi-installed
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:37:37 PM
Now, if you look at the bottom of the tailgate, that is about where the tail folds down to, so I'll keep everything clear of that about 3/4" or so. I tested opening it with the winch installed, and the tailgate is maybe the thickness of a dollar bill from the tailgate!

Whoa, that's some seriously good eyeballing and measuring!

Here's where we go vertical. These angle plates rise up to where the top of the bumper will sit
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:39:29 PM
And the "Hood" thing is connected to the vertical pieces
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 09:40:25 PM
And that right there took me right up to 1900, time for my workout and the end of Build Day #270
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on June 15, 2015, 09:53:40 PM
better not sit on that tailgate with only a dollar bills clearance. Any flex and it may hit it or no? looking awesome though
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 15, 2015, 10:01:47 PM
Looking like a good start! Dollar bill...yikes that's tight.

8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 10:03:09 PM
better not sit on that tailgate with only a dollar bills clearance. Any flex and it may hit it or no? looking awesome though
Ya know Darren, I am thinking of canning the tailgate and lift gate, building a lunar orbiter lookin' back end with a door. I need a place to mount a heater/AC unit and hang a hard cover first aid kit off of. Maybe put in a gun port so I can shoot nosy raccoons that come in around midnight down at the farm.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 15, 2015, 10:20:47 PM
better not sit on that tailgate with only a dollar bills clearance. Any flex and it may hit it or no? looking awesome though
Maybe put in a gun port so I can shoot nosy raccoons that come in around midnight down at the farm.
If the gate is gone this is a great idea!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on June 15, 2015, 10:33:39 PM
how about both? say a tailgate that looks and drops down normal has a set of rails that line up with a corresponding pair in the bed. slide out the heater unit and or your gun torrent with a shield.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 10:34:48 PM
I haven't decided, but this isn't a tail gate sort of truck.

I designed it to go it alone, to be an emergency sleeper if need be, and serve as a storage place for all manner of stuff, and sport a fold down bed, albeit a small one.

The Camper/trailer compliments it and gets you a lot more comfortable but should that get compromised you can dump it and go. Or if I do the base camp scenario, the camper is just that, the truck could then be used to reach out, or the bike if I ever figure out how to fit it on this assemblage.

Anyway without the tailgate I could push things a couple more inches aft and make some more room
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 15, 2015, 10:35:53 PM
how about both? say a tailgate that looks and drops down normal has a set of rails that line up with a corresponding pair in the bed. slide out the heater unit and or your gun torrent with a shield.
Man, put the coffee down and step away, you're talkin' crazy!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 15, 2015, 11:10:47 PM
I like the camper/base station idea of the trailer and a composite type tailgate.

I was going to say the bumper and tailgate will not like each other, but the above covers that!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on June 16, 2015, 12:33:48 AM
I think you should build your own topper/enclosure. You can then add in insulation, proper ventilation...possibly with the ability to be sealed against tear gas attack. Then.... a remote RC 4x4 capable of being yr eyes and doing mine sweeps. Then......... I figure the above will keep him busy tell I get mine done LoL

Don's Edit: The old farmer guy here is kidding! So relax! Don't take him seriously (ever). He just likes to jump in and stir stuff up, then leaves while the natives fight it out. ;-)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Higher Caliber on June 16, 2015, 06:18:08 AM
apparently you weren't around for the topper shenanigans of o-twelve for the D-Max!! We spent the entire year watching a topper build that just didn't ever pan out!! This could be a touchy subject!!

 
>:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 16, 2015, 06:54:49 AM
Did the tac topper just inadvertently get brought back up.....?

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 08:56:14 AM
apparently you weren't around for the topper shenanigans of o-twelve for the D-Max!! We spent the entire year watching a topper build that just didn't ever pan out!! This could be a touchy subject!!

 
>:( >:( >:(
Yea

What he said ^^^
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 08:58:00 AM
Did the tac topper just inadvertently get brought back up.....?



We aien't going there with this truck!

Lunar lander rear hatch, maybe, probably, likely

But whole topper, already have one and it's good enough
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 16, 2015, 09:18:30 AM
Order up some more leafs for the rear springs, you're gonna need them!   ;)

Tac-topper..........more fun with fiberglass and resin.........oldkoot just set-off the daisy chain!

:o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on June 16, 2015, 09:54:25 AM
I didn't mean to cause any real problems....I had no idea there was a previous attempt at a tac topper tried. I was just thinking some aluminum square tube, a spool gun, some aluminum sheet like they use on an enclosed trailer and a some creative design work and then presto... a custom built enclosure that says "look I am ready for this" Gun ports disguised as fuel tank filler doors in the bed.... all sorts of cool custom touches. Dons correct, don't take me seriously LoL
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 16, 2015, 10:21:02 AM
Did someone mention TacTopper? I guess I'll join JR after this.:)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 16, 2015, 11:04:47 AM
Just use kevlar this time. May as well make it slow them puppies down.

Was that BDs old topper? I see the max and the toy behind it, but thought it flipped out to the side?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 16, 2015, 12:03:20 PM
the best part was that after what 6 months he threw in the towel and let the pre-rangers lose on the tac topper with sawz-allz
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 16, 2015, 12:04:11 PM
Just use kevlar this time. May as well make it slow them puppies down.

Was that BDs old topper? I see the max and the toy behind it, but thought it flipped out to the side?
If i wasn't in enough trouble, I would tell you that that Tacker was round #2 (or #1 ICR)....but I am, so I won't.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 16, 2015, 01:17:11 PM
Did someone mention TacTopper? I guess I'll join JR after this.:)
Oooh yes...the tac topper. Forever immortalized over on DF in great detail...

8) And here we go! 8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Pulley on June 16, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
Are you going to have a bolt on hitch receiver or will it be built into the bumper?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 08:55:52 PM
Are you going to have a bolt on hitch receiver or will it be built into the bumper?
Built in, in fact that is what you will be reading about tonight.

I lost my train of thought. That horrible tac-topper pic has me shaken up.

Tried to forget about that one... And yes there was a second one, a side flipper. That one was nicer but started to get heavy so I just canned it and purchased the factory built aluminum topper that rides on there to this day.

Good thing is I learned a ton on those two failed projects. I will be doing things a bit differently if I do the lunar lander back end on Square D

So getting back to the PAH (Project at hand) I was about to close in some of the open areas and do some more triangulating when I stopped last night

Lets start there:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:00:26 PM
Then just before I could weld all that in, it started to rain, and the back end of the truck is outside (So I can work on my tan while welding) so I moved ahead

Here is the tow hitch being created. Starting with 2.5" square tubing, 3/16" thick, all you have to do is drill a hole and weld it in, really
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:03:01 PM
I'll be reinforcing the thing like the vault over at Ft Knox where Obama's birth certificate and college transcripts are being kept.

I punched a hole in a piece of thick 4" X 4" angle to start
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:03:46 PM
It's pretty thick, 3/8"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:04:24 PM
Next I cut out the safety chain holes
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:05:34 PM
I checked the fit, then welded it up
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:07:16 PM
Then I wrapped the edges with some flat stock
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:09:26 PM
About then the rain had stopped some 15 minutes, so I went outside to work on my tan.

Oh and I welded on those earlier pieces I showed
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:11:42 PM
Then after measuring, remeasuring and checking a third time, the hitch assembly was welded to the existing bumper structure
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:17:11 PM
The hitch is not done by any means. It will still get attached to the fairhead plate and I'll bring in two braces from the frame after I add new tabs for the side wings when I get that far.

Next I added two pieces on the outboard upright to start to attach the top plate to. I am using some 1" X 3" high strength tubing that was all rejected by a company called "Big A$$ Fans. The steel company cut several hundred 2 foot sections of this tubing, but the BAF company rejected them because they had burrs or were 1/32" too short! Now those pieces are being sold as scrap, so a lot of my projects will now be using this tubing!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:18:13 PM
Here are the next two pieces that are used to box in that new section
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:19:32 PM
I'm using 10 gage plate for the angled portion and the top, and .250" for the face that meets the Kias
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:21:06 PM
This stuff slices like butter, is easier to grind and welds up pretty without pulling down the power grid of Northern Kentucky

Here is the other side boxed in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:24:10 PM
The bumper does stick out a bit, but that was necessary because of the H2O tank and the winch I wanted to use. The hitch gives up a bit of ground clearance, but not a lot. The lower edge is 28" above tera-firma, whereas the lifted Silverado's hitch is 22".

This will allow the trailer to ride nice and level, as if I made the bumper to fit it or something crazy like that!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 09:26:06 PM
And right there, the bumper is all done!

I'll clean and undercoat it tomorrow!

Or I'll call this about 25% complete and drive on, one or the other

So that took me up to around 1930ish and time to throw the towel at the red dog.

CYA!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 16, 2015, 09:31:52 PM
Looks stout enough. Welds look strong enough. Steel looks shiny enough. What else can a guy ask for!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 16, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
Looks stout enough. Welds look strong enough. Steel looks shiny enough. What else can a guy ask for!
Nada!

It's G-T-G
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Armalite on June 17, 2015, 04:01:12 PM
Yep, looks about right.    8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 10:57:48 PM
OK added a bit more today

First off I will be adding in the plates that have the permanent shackles welded in. The cardboard is the size so you can see how that all will fit
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 10:59:09 PM
Since these may see a lot of force, I am stepping all the way up to 3/8" thick plate
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 11:00:16 PM
After cutting out the plate, I welded the D-Rings to them on the table first before attaching anything to the bumper
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 11:01:13 PM
And here they are welded in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 11:02:48 PM
Picking up some more of that cool tubing I scored, I cut two reinforcements connecting the main bumper mount to the backside of the D-Ring plate
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 11:03:35 PM
After welding that brace in place that plate felt as solid as the top of an anvil!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 11:05:08 PM
Then I assembled several pieces together to start to form in the wings. I bench fitted and welded them first, then welded them to the D-ring plate
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 11:07:26 PM
This is only the flat face of the bumper. Above it will be a 2" 45 degree plate, then a top plate. I will add in a 1/4" horizontal rib and a bottom flange or skirt as well, so this is by no means the finished appearance
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
And all of that took me an afternoon, all the time I had to bumperize today. That's the end of build day 272
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on June 18, 2015, 10:02:54 AM
Looking good there chief!
3/8 plate to try and offset the front bumper weight... ::)

Carry on!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 18, 2015, 11:14:01 AM
Looking good there chief!
3/8 plate to try and offset the front bumper weight... ::)

Carry on!

I just used the 3/8" plate on that one small rectangle holdin' onto those D-rings. Heck if Big Red gets stuck, I'll be yankin' on it with Square D!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 18, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Looks darn good.

You plannin' on making a hinged water carrier, like cmax, or is that STSI (super top secret info)?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 18, 2015, 03:17:06 PM
Looks darn good.

You plannin' on making a hinged water carrier, like cmax, or is that STSI (super top secret info)?
Ken, yep, very similar design to C-Max, just more robust
Tire carrier on the right rear, 3ea US Armee water can carrier on the left + a high lift jack, + a big ammo can if I can squeeze it in.
Tire swing arm will bolt to both the bumper extension and to that steel "Halo" I placed on top of the bed.

Remember how well I bolted all that in? Remember I made two holes with captured 3/8" nuts inside the halo? The right side holes are for the swing away tire carrier and the left halo is for a ladder which is going in with this build as well.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 18, 2015, 08:58:29 PM
Looking real good. Are those D rings 5/8s?

Welds look better too.

Speaking of ammo cans, they are going for around $12 on ebay right now.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 18, 2015, 09:24:15 PM
Looking real good. Are those D rings 5/8s?

Welds look better too.

Speaking of ammo cans, they are going for around $12 on ebay right now.
D-Rings are 1"

I was thinking of a biggin...like the 20MM or the 30MM ones. Weld up a foot for it to rest in then get captured by something. Keep things like a fuel siphon, recovery stuff, and stuff like that in there
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 18, 2015, 09:26:58 PM
Looking real good. Are those D rings 5/8s?

Welds look better too.

Speaking of ammo cans, they are going for around $12 on ebay right now.
D-Rings are 1"

I was thinking of a biggin...like the 20MM or the 30MM ones. Weld up a foot for it to rest in then get captured by something. Keep things like a fuel siphon, recovery stuff, and stuff like that in there

Or to feed that mini-gun.......... ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: HuskerTrev on June 21, 2015, 07:50:46 PM
She is looking great! Your build thread is what introduced me to this site and boy am I glad for it!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 21, 2015, 08:05:39 PM
She is looking great! Your build thread is what introduced me to this site and boy am I glad for it!
Glad to hear it!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Armalite on June 22, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
Jumping ahead possibly....  Cut outs for led lights in rear bumper?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 11:40:15 AM
Jumping ahead possibly....  Cut outs for led lights in rear bumper?
I think so

In those flat panels that just went in
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Armalite on June 22, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
Roger that....  Proceed with caution...   :o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 22, 2015, 08:32:29 PM
 ???Does the tailgate open?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 10:05:27 PM
???Does the tailgate open?

Yep, sure does
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 22, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
is that duane???  is he alive or are we seeing things here???
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 10:07:48 PM
is that duane???  is he alive or are we seeing things here???
It would appear as though we just experienced a DS (Duane Sighting)!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 22, 2015, 10:21:26 PM
well since he lives closest to you, have you checked on him lately?  hows he doing?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 23, 2015, 07:26:21 AM
I'm thinking we should have a starting party when Don actually decides to crank this thing up...I should be eligible for my AARP discount by then....

Sorry Don, carry on sir.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 08:56:59 AM
I'm thinking we should have a starting party when Don actually decides to crank this thing up...I should be eligible for my AARP discount by then....

Sorry Don, carry on sir.
Don't do AARP, those liberal fools pushed obummer Kare, Comrad!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:04:40 AM
well since he lives closest to you, have you checked on him lately?  hows he doing?
Yea, I've checked on him.
It would be inappropriate of me to say his wife has beaten him again and he is in the middle of a pool install. A pool surrounded by oak and hickory trees, in the forest, with herds of Racoon, deer, chipmunks, snakes, and who knows what trapsing through the property!

I wouldn't want to paint a picture of my mighty warrior friend having given in to something as foolish as an unmaintainable pool in the middle of a forest just cause the woman beats him. I won't point out any of that because despite his obvious lack of fortitude and giving in, it would make him look, well, weaker I suppose. I give him a lot of latitude (Because of the Blackhawk thing) but I would have thought he could have saved all that money. Might as well have built the pool in the middle of a cow pasture, but, hey, I'm not talking about all this.

No, we won't discuss any of these poor choices, we'll just go on as if no loss of dignity or position as the leader of his household ever occurred!

Other than that, he's fine!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 23, 2015, 09:22:05 AM
It appears that Duane and I must have the same wife. :(
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rasimmo on June 23, 2015, 09:28:34 AM
Poor fella. I like just having friends with pools. It's easier on my schedule that way.

Successfully derailed thread, aint there a bumper build or something happening here.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 10:33:36 AM
Poor fella. I like just having friends with pools. It's easier on my schedule that way.

Successfully derailed thread, aint there a bumper build or something happening here.

When he gets that thing done, I will have a friend with a pool! I figure I mess around in his pool in the summer, and he hunts all over my farm in the fall, seems like a fair trade!

I'll have to check if there is a bumper build happening...not sure right now!
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Post by: Nate on June 23, 2015, 01:44:09 PM

When he gets that thing done, I will have a friend with a pool! I figure I mess around in his pool in the summer, and he hunts all over my farm in the fall, seems like a fair trade!

aint nottin wrong with that
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:25:02 PM
Rasimmo:

I checked, and you were correct, somewhere in the distant past we were building a bumper. That reminded me to continue, so let's build some more!

First of all I wanted to level the vehicle since that big Cummins and that front end bumper thing are causing those front springs to retire early!

So for now I jacked the front up a bit and placed some jack stands under the front spring eyes to hold off further relaxing.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:26:40 PM
And Yes, the tailgate closes and opens just like normal
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:29:12 PM
I started to wrap the bumper around all the way to the wheel well, but quickly decided that that "stretch" was all four kinds of ugly. I couldn't stand to look at it. I thought maybe I could fill it with dirt and make a planter out of it, and grow herbs for Nate, but figured, my bumper specials might not be up to his standards!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:29:48 PM
Soooo,

I cut it off!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:30:59 PM
Yep, that's about right!

So on to the fabrication of the rest of the top plate:
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:32:04 PM
And that seemed to fit well enough
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:33:09 PM
Next, the slanted filler plates:
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:34:40 PM
Remember those two bolts I placed in the bed top halo?

Well, it's time to put them to work
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:38:10 PM
That plate will serve as the top anchor for the swing part of the tailgate that will hold the spare and 3 water cans.

I decided to make this part bolt on, if I should ever want to or need to remove it. It will also make mounting the bumper much easier.

The bumper will have a square tubing receiver welded firmly to it. Another piece of slightly smaller OD square tube will through-bolt to the receiver and also to the steel halo, here it is:
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:39:56 PM
Next, its time to box in and reinforce the right bumper wing to make it more or less immovable.

I cut a large piece of steel plate and welded it to the underside contour of the bumper wing.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:41:37 PM
And that was further reinforced and tied into the main structure with one of those 1" X 3" sections of tubing.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
This protrusion along with the side plate will serve as the mount for the receiver tube of the swing away base mount
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
And here the upright is roughed in. It will get trimmed to size and straightened and finally get a tab that will attach it to the steel halo, making this one butt strong tire rack.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 09:46:32 PM
I'm going to do something cool with that up-right, just wait...I think you'll like it.

So that was what I had time to get done today. So ended build day 273 for Square D
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Post by: ltldemonz on June 24, 2015, 12:11:26 AM
Are you taking frame flex into account, I am thinking your bumpers are going to kiss the sheetmetal when flexed out like on a majorly washed out fire road.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 24, 2015, 12:59:13 AM
I like the modular build idea but thought the same about clearance.

Will the upper mount be allowed to move with frame flex?

Does SD still have rear blocks??
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Post by: cudakidd53 on June 24, 2015, 09:47:18 AM
I'm liking that rear bumper as well!  Glad the clearance is GTG though like JR wonder of flex and roll might turn into buckle and bulge?  Regardless, the build thread will continue to evolve at that point!

Spark on Don!  ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 09:49:36 AM
Are you taking frame flex into account, I am thinking your bumpers are going to kiss the sheetmetal when flexed out like on a majorly washed out fire road.
I don't think so
Frame flex occurs along the longitudinal axis of the vehicle (Front to back)
The bumper attachment points are arranged in a vertical fashion so they act more like a slice of a long bar. The whole "Slice" will react the same. If the frame moved independently of the bed, then body mounts would be torn and see cracks, but that never happens.
If the bed twisted it would do something called "Oil-Canning" which I am all to familiar with having flown the chinook. Take a soda can (Oil can of earlier times) and twist either end in opposite directions. The force manifests in slanted lines of "Twist" in the skin. The skin actually ripples up. Depending on how resilient the metal is it either recovers or eventually cracks (Chinooks)
Truck beds don't do that. The most they do is try to fold in on themselves at the tailgate which is their weakest point. This upright of mine will serve to reinforce that area, and the steel top halo likely really stiffened up how the bed might twist anyway.

No, I don't think twisting will be a real problem. Also keep in mind, my frame has several more cross members that the truck never had. It has the rear electrical compartment box. It has that thick wall rear water/alcohol tank boxing up the entire rear of the frame. It has a new transfer case cross member, it has the structure for the rear anti-torque bar bolted in. The weak area of the frame in the hump has a steel plate bolted over it, the front of the frame is boxed in and on and on.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 09:52:50 AM
I like the modular build idea but thought the same about clearance.

Will the upper mount be allowed to move with frame flex?

Does SD still have rear blocks??

No movement allowed, it will be rigid

SD does have blocks for the moment, but they will soon go away.
With the shackle flip, and longer Silverado springs, I will likely not need a block. I have a 4" block in there now. The shackle flip adds 5" of lift. So right there I will be about the same, but we won't know until I bolt in those new springs.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 24, 2015, 02:22:35 PM
I knew you were anti block, just wondered.

Will you add a flap to back of the bumper? Heck with the mud on the farm and kia parts you  could be hauling a couple hundred lbs in that cavity!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:13:00 PM
I knew you were anti block, just wondered.

Will you add a flap to back of the bumper? Heck with the mud on the farm and kia parts you  could be hauling a couple hundred lbs in that cavity!
JR, I think I'm going to punch some 2" holes in it in places to allow stuff to pass through and me access to hose out the inside cavities
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:14:46 PM
The first thing I attacked today was the upright swing-arm base. Here it is now bolted to the bed halo support and is very rigid and strong. No give or play what so ever.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:16:57 PM
I had to slice apart that side panel to get the vertical bar to level. No big deal, I planned on plating over that panel with a couple plies of 10 gage to get it very strong while fighting cracking by using independent plies in lieu of one thick piece of steel
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:17:51 PM
I have it standing vertical in all axes
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:20:06 PM
And here is the little extra you are either going to like or dislike depending on your perspective. This is a 48" hi-Lift jack. I use these things and they are a must for recovery and some maintenance. I was wondering where I might attach it when that vertical bar showed up...problem solved!
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:21:14 PM
I'll create a foot to hold it, then an upper arm to clamp it in place.

Here is a piece of 1/4" plate that is about to become that foot
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:23:20 PM
By setting 4-7/16" bolts into the foot, which align with holes already present in the jack foot, the jack will slide down onto these studs to keep it located. If I want to add security, a simple nylon lock nut is all that is needed to foil a would be less than really-determined thief.
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:24:49 PM
That business got welded to the base receiver tube which made it quite solid. You may have noticed, I welded in a section of angle first to give more welding surface for the attachment
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:26:05 PM
To is angled up a tad to allow the jack to stand up with an aft tilt which just might help that tangle foot shed some vines and branches
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:27:03 PM
I just kissed the base plate with a 5/8" drill to clean up the holes and make for an easy install/removal of the jack
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:28:17 PM
Then the top arm was fabbed up from some 10 gage plate and a couple 1/2" coarse thread bolts
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:30:16 PM
Those studs align with the holes in the center of the jack I-Beam. The jack is captured with a "C" clamp and a simple wing nut, stainless, of course
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
That thing doesn't move at all. It's completely solid and rattle free mounted like this and I'd say easy to get to when needed (Unless the truck just rolled on it's right side) :o

Next up, time to close off the open spots in the bumper. But first I welded in the second plate, an angle doubler, and a third plate to bring it all home
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 08:35:31 PM
The squiggly area in plate #2 was just to get me some more weld area to get that bond as strong as it could be.

I just started on the other side when I got the call. "Get a shower and bring the kids to bible study tonight." Of course I wasn't ready so wrenches went flying and just like that, I was done!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 24, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
That is a great counterbalance for sure! That jack is just the thing for catching kia's as you pass by. Drill a hole in the bolt above the wing nut for a small lock.

Vertical is good, but does that mean it is perpendicular to the bumper or not an issue for swing?

Is that the "pup" looking at your work??
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 24, 2015, 09:19:17 PM
That is a great counterbalance for sure! That jack is just the thing for catching kia's as you pass by. Drill a hole in the bolt above the wing nut for a small lock.

Vertical is good, but does that mean it is perpendicular to the bumper or not an issue for swing?

Is that the "pup" looking at your work??
I'm so tired, I'm not sure what you just asked! ;-)

Yup the growing puppy. Fearless mutt. Nothing startles or bothers him. Welding sparks, other dogs, loud noises. Well, spraying water gets his attention, but he comes at it and bites at it instead of running away. But when I take him into the shower, he's crying like a democrat after Regan got reelected!
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Post by: duramaxdarren on June 24, 2015, 09:53:47 PM
i'm not sure i'm in love with the jack on the side....perhaps when its painted OD or blitz black. still my thoughts are onpossibly  now creating a hang up hazard and a blind spot. not to mention forgetting its on there as you squeeze the nose through and gets snagged causing untold damage or just stopping the SD dead and testing your seat belt
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Post by: cudakidd53 on June 24, 2015, 10:33:55 PM
At that point Darren, Frankensnorkle will have ripped off already so not to worry!
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Post by: duramaxdarren on June 25, 2015, 08:40:11 PM
hahaha lol very true ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 26, 2015, 05:45:40 AM
Neither Franken-Snorkle nor the Rear-Bumper-Pintle-Mounted-Hi-Lift-Jack have seen the trail yet, so Darren may have a valid point. 

For that matter, none of us (Don included) know if that motor is even going to start…

There is an internet rumor circulating (started right here) that the engine in Square D is actually one of those Payr.com hard-foam engine mock-ups that hot-rod builders use when fabricating chassis'…

...so, all of that parasitic-drag inducing hardware hanging out in the slipstream won't make any difference!


SQUARE D IS A HANGAR QUEEN!!!   START IT UP AND PROVE ME WRONG!!!



Consider the gauntlet thrown! Stop farting around with bumpers and such! Start it up!

Now, where is that poll function...   
 
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Post by: cudakidd53 on June 26, 2015, 06:33:52 AM
Duane- you know that means YOU'LL actually have to report for "hand over turbo" duty; pre-rangers hands are too small and Don hasn't worked with Red Dog enough to get her to sleep next to the turbo and sacrifice herself for the sake of the Build!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 26, 2015, 11:57:49 AM
Neither Franken-Snorkle nor the Rear-Bumper-Pintle-Mounted-Hi-Lift-Jack have seen the trail yet, so Darren may have a valid point. 

For that matter, none of us (Don included) know if that motor is even going to start…

There is an internet rumor circulating (started right here) that the engine in Square D is actually one of those Payr.com hard-foam engine mock-ups that hot-rod builders use when fabricating chassis'…

...so, all of that parasitic-drag inducing hardware hanging out in the slipstream won't make any difference!


SQUARE D IS A HANGAR QUEEN!!!   START IT UP AND PROVE ME WRONG!!!



Consider the gauntlet thrown! Stop farting around with bumpers and such! Start it up!

Now, where is that poll function...   
 

and this is coming from the guy that just disappeared for 2-? months to oversee a pool being built and has left us all hangin in regards to his build..............;D
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Post by: KensAuto on June 26, 2015, 02:55:18 PM
Yeah, good point Nate....2 peas in a pod !!
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Post by: JR on June 26, 2015, 03:23:53 PM
Well, a garage queen at least, for now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What I meant on the upright, is it going to be the mount for the swingout carrier? That is why I said square to bumper, vs vertical to the ground.

Now, lets give BD a little break here, he has done more work in the last couple years on Dmax and SD than most of us combined. Dmax does run and pay its way, now SD has to prove itself,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on June 26, 2015, 03:42:23 PM
JR, you're goin soft on us....remember, you're the one that gave the most grief!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 26, 2015, 03:56:23 PM
JR, you're goin soft on us....remember, you're the one that gave the most grief!!

Yes, I started it and will stand by it. You guys are jumping on and now I am just watching the show!!

Carry on!!!!!!

START IT UP!!!

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Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2015, 05:01:46 PM
Well, a garage queen at least, for now,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What I meant on the upright, is it going to be the mount for the swingout carrier? That is why I said square to bumper, vs vertical to the ground.

Now, lets give BD a little break here, he has done more work in the last couple years on Dmax and SD than most of us combined. Dmax does run and pay its way, now SD has to prove itself,,,,,,,,,,,

Yes, the vertical piece is the swing away mount. I couldn't build it because I ran out of tabs, but I have them now so on to swing away things.

Tell ya what. As soon as I get the rear bumper thing done, I'll start the engine before going on to the front and rear springs...OK?
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 26, 2015, 10:50:13 PM

Tell ya what. As soon as I get the rear bumper thing done, I'll start the engine before going on to the front and rear springs...OK?

I'll believe it when I see it, brother....jus sayin
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 27, 2015, 02:00:49 AM
Don, I am just on the band wagon now. I'm sure it will run, but with all you have done, we are all anxious is all!!

I understand why you want to have a pro around when you fire it up. Just don't have a run away so wood is handy. The old V12's we did had a mech flap for just such a reason!
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 07:10:46 AM
and this is coming from the guy that just disappeared for 2-? months to oversee a pool being built and has left us all hangin in regards to his build..............;D

Fair enough. I see your point.  Duly noted.

But its way more than just a pool…

(ready for some DOT action?)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 07:54:55 AM
Its re-constructing a retaining wall that was not finished late last fall:
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 07:56:30 AM
And Hockey...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 07:59:58 AM
Removing the mud that washed in after the tarps failed over the winter and backfilling, compacting and laying in geo-grid soil reinforcement.
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:02:04 AM
And hockey...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:04:43 AM
Building steps inset into the retaining wall...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:08:05 AM
And hockey...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:10:41 AM
Installing and backfilling Sleeve-It retaining wall fence-post anchors and re-routing rain-gutter drainage...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:12:26 AM
And hockey...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:16:15 AM
Starting the wife's pool construction...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:17:17 AM
And hockey...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:18:44 AM
Wrapping up pool excavation...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:20:41 AM
And hockey...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:22:06 AM
And installing a paver-patio that leads to the pool...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:27:08 AM
Time in the "Sin Bin" (penalty box)...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:28:21 AM
Followed by more Patio stone...
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Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:29:59 AM
And of course, hockey...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 08:42:23 AM
So, Nate, In all honesty, I cannot resume my own build until the op-tempo slows down here.  The truck will have to wait patiently.  The family will not. 

We have a two-week hockey break which will be nice.  The boy plays just north of Cincinnati, a 38-mile trip one way for us, straight through all of the Cinci traffic.

Fortunately, the Ram 1500 Eco-Diesel has averaged 29.1 mpg over the 3100 miles it has been driven to date.       
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 27, 2015, 08:46:46 AM
  Nicely done!
EPIC DOT AWARD
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on June 27, 2015, 09:43:54 AM
a reprieve has been granted duane, there are just sometimes that family needs have to come before others.

now that is how you DOT up a thread.........EPIC!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 27, 2015, 10:02:14 AM
I quit!
It's your site now guys
I'm done
Have to start again on some other site, this thread is ruined!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 10:26:09 AM
I quit!

That's not an option.  Read your own sig line: NSDQ

You need to begin spooling up to Engine Start Day (ESD). 

My last day of guaranteed availability to hold the obligatory block of wood to guard against a runaway is 12 JUL.  What is your targeted ESD?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 27, 2015, 10:33:41 AM
I quit!

My last day of guaranteed availability to hold my head against the turbo inlet to guard against a runaway is 12 JUL.  What is your targeted ESD?
Offer Accepted!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on June 27, 2015, 11:19:02 AM
Editing one another's posts; dangerous grounds to be trespassing on!!!
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Post by: Nate on June 27, 2015, 03:11:20 PM
LOL
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Post by: rasimmo on June 27, 2015, 05:26:03 PM
In the world I work in ESD stands for emergency shut down. So I guess on ESD Duane will be the ESD. Anybody got a video camera?
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Post by: Sammconn on June 27, 2015, 07:10:05 PM
Wow Duane! That is probably the most epic DOT'ing I've ever seen.
Well done!

ESD in my world is electrostatic discharge.

But anyhoot, Big D here is your emergency shutdown guy if he's needed.

Time to start this bad boy up!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on June 27, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
Wow, all I have are 4 pallets of pavers to go for my pool. But I had a wall, fence, scouts and girls volleyball slowing me down.

But finding 2 new pages of info on SD with it not being started, unacceptable!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 28, 2015, 02:45:49 PM
I've been pushed too far, I no longer want to start it
Probably won't start or run anyway.
I'll start it someday, but not going to post it
I think I'll pull the body back off and strip it down again for practice...maybe rebuild the muffler or something as well...
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Post by: KensAuto on June 28, 2015, 06:42:33 PM
Hahaha
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Post by: duramaxdarren on June 29, 2015, 07:48:56 PM
i agree don, i think the motor and trans maybe should be taken out and weighed and then adjust the front leaf spring count to have a better then flat leaf spring stance. maybe then revisit the shocks and perhaps a methanol injection. never be pushed when its your money on the line BIG D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 29, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
i agree don, i think the motor and trans maybe should be taken out and weighed and then adjust the front leaf spring count to have a better then flat leaf spring stance. maybe then revisit the shocks and perhaps a methanol injection. never be pushed when its your money on the line BIG D
I like you Darren!
Finally, some support!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on June 30, 2015, 09:42:24 PM
Haven't been able to get any physical work done on the truck for a few days, but the project is moving forward.

I ordered and posted over in the Tool section, some Bosch L-Box stackable storage containers which will be fitted out with spare parts, tools, med kit, survival stuff and cinnamon disks!

Also started talking with Dan the man, the ultra good welder guy who built that cool alchy tank for me. I am going to get him to weld up the aluminum aux fuel tank for square D because he is very good at that and I can't even spell aluminiminum!

Additionally, I kicked the red dog away from chewing on the aft air bag lines and removed a cat from the snorkel. So things are looking up!
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 01, 2015, 07:23:29 PM
some days ya next to get some minor runaround work done and regroup and then be able refocus with an organized mind and plan of attack. i do this often when i find that i cant move without tripping over tools and stock. i teach this to my guys and remind them we work like gentleman and its show in our work.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 01, 2015, 08:04:06 PM
some days ya next to get some minor runaround work done and regroup and then be able refocus with an organized mind and plan of attack. i do this often when i find that i cant move without tripping over tools and stock. i teach this to my guys and remind them we work like gentleman and its show in our work.
Copy that.

And getting rid of work is what I have been doing. Spent from around 1000 until about 1730 spreading mulch, pruning trees, pulling weeds, and cutting grass. All that to get that monkey off my back so I can get back to the Square D project. Should happen tomorrow...Friday will be a farm day probably
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on July 01, 2015, 08:53:15 PM
and what does/do ordering cinnamon disk's have to do with any of this......?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on July 01, 2015, 08:54:04 PM
10-4 forge ahead my good sir 8)
stay hydrated
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 09:07:42 AM
and what does/do ordering cinnamon disk's have to do with any of this......?
Used to put a bowl of them on my desk and a pouch of them on the "Dash" of the Chinook
People would wander in my office, get one, chat for awhile, then leave. Same when flying. Customers would wander up into the cockpit, grab a couple, look out the windshield, then realize we were WAY too close to the Chinook or C130 next to us in flight and leave.

I can't see surviving without them!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Atkinsmatt on July 02, 2015, 10:18:37 AM
How much were the rotors overlapping?  Shouldn't have been a problem as flying is much better than walking.  Just don't let the discs get in the defroster like the M&M's in Tommy Boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkN4bwyY3jM
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on July 02, 2015, 12:08:41 PM
Shouldn't have been a problem as flying is much better than walking

Depends on the pilot and his self-perceived "abilities"
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Post by: Wilbur on July 02, 2015, 01:07:07 PM
After waaaaayyyy too many hours than I care to admit to  :o I have reached the end of the BigD threads and am "caught up". Don't tell my wife okay?  ;)

I am literally astonished with the care and thought you have put into this. Thanks so much for sharing it!! WOW!

But of course, being an internet troll (well not a troll but someone watchin' and thinking about someone else's build instead of doing anything myself to further the knowledge base  :-[) I wanted to suggest a couple of things (and you have probably already thought about them but figured I would ask-

I like the way Chebbie and GMC have the side corner steps in the rear bumper corners to make access to the bed easier. I am wondering if you thought about cutting something like that into it? I believe you have the space in the face of the bumper no? I know you are putting a ladder on too but just thinking it might be an easy way to grab something from the bed. Of course, if you're doing the full on open door instead of the tailgate maybe only having a "step" on the "open" side of said door would make sense.

I also wonder about putting a "foot" (saying "foot" cause "hi-lift catchy point" sounded weird) on the bottom of the bumpers (front and back) so if you use the hi-lift as a jack it is not sitting on flat metal. Instead the "teeth" of the hi-lift lifting point would sort of "fit" a similarly serrated sort of foot on the bottom of the bumper for safety. Ask me how I know about safety when a very heavy truck is precariously balanced on a hi-lift extended way up and the hi-lift is engaging on flat metal.  :o No...wait...scratch that... don't ask me. I will start sweating and curl up in a fetal position....again.

Lastly and I promise... the last....well for this post anyway  ::) are you cutting in a wiring/power port for the trailer in the hitch? I didn't see a cutout for that. Figure I would mention it now before its all painted, etc.

As for starting Big D I don't care when you start it. Would I like to see it? Yup....but I think you cited some pretty good reasons for not doing it...."before its time".

(Yup....see what I did there....just tried to get on Don's good side by agreeing with him on the start-up so he wouldn't slam me for being a couchriding internet troll....or at least that's what I was trying to do....ha!)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 01:14:58 PM
After waaaaayyyy too many hours than I care to admit to  :o I have reached the end of the BigD threads and am "caught up". Don't tell my wife okay?  ;)

I am literally astonished with the care and thought you have put into this. Thanks so much for sharing it!! WOW!

But of course, being an internet troll (well not a troll but someone watchin' and thinking about someone else's build instead of doing anything myself to further the knowledge base  :-[) I wanted to suggest a couple of things (and you have probably already thought about them but figured I would ask-

I like the way Chebbie and GMC have the side corner steps in the rear bumper corners to make access to the bed easier. I am wondering if you thought about cutting something like that into it? I believe you have the space in the face of the bumper no? I know you are putting a ladder on too but just thinking it might be an easy way to grab something from the bed. Of course, if you're doing the full on open door instead of the tailgate maybe only having a "step" on the "open" side of said door would make sense.

At the moment I am planning of building a pull out step thing onto the bottom side of the rear bumper. Haven't started that yet, but that's how I planned to solve that dilema

I also wonder about putting a "foot" (saying "foot" cause "hi-lift catchy point" sounded weird) on the bottom of the bumpers (front and back) so if you use the hi-lift as a jack it is not sitting on flat metal. Instead the "teeth" of the hi-lift lifting point would sort of "fit" a similarly serrated sort of foot on the bottom of the bumper for safety. Ask me how I know about safety when a very heavy truck is precariously balanced on a hi-lift extended way up and the hi-lift is engaging on flat metal.  :o No...wait...scratch that... don't ask me. I will start sweating and curl up in a fetal position....again.

Hi-Lift jack: There will be a poly jack base incorporated into the swing away tire carrier. I plan to fab up an adapter that fits the jack and attaches to the clevis attachment bosses. I figure that would be super secure and could even act as a semi-safe tempo lack stand

Lastly and I promise... the last....well for this post anyway  ::) are you cutting in a wiring/power port for the trailer in the hitch? I didn't see a cutout for that. Figure I would mention it now before its all painted, etc.

Yes, Already have it. I will have power connections for shore power and a 12VDC connection capable of being used as a jumper cable or power connection between the truck and the trailer for camping ops

As for starting Big D I don't care when you start it. Would I like to see it? Yup....but I think you cited some pretty good reasons for not doing it...."before its time".

It will get started all in good time. You read "Patience and a squirrel" yet?

(Yup....see what I did there....just tried to get on Don's good side by agreeing with him on the start-up so he wouldn't slam me for being a couchriding internet troll....or at least that's what I was trying to do....ha!)
Ah we don't do all that belittling stuff here. That's adolescent and inconsistent with what we are hoping to portray here
I'll field these questions, all pretty good ones. My response in red above^^
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Post by: JR on July 02, 2015, 01:30:04 PM
Glad I am not the only one who wondered about them.
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Post by: Wilbur on July 02, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
I'll field these questions, all pretty good ones. My response in red above^^

Gotcha on those Don. Answers make sense. And yup...the squirrel story was good.  ;)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 01:41:29 PM
I'll field these questions, all pretty good ones. My response in red above^^

Gotcha on those Don. Answers make sense. And yup...the squirrel story was good.  ;)
Just glanced over at that side by side...and smiled
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Post by: Sammconn on July 02, 2015, 02:53:19 PM
I have had a buddy ask me about the steps when I do my rear bumper.
I've had a topper on my truck since day one, never been off.
With the topper in the way, the steps won't be a lot of good in my mind.
Now this swing away step...I need to see this. Might be an answer to me as well.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 09:59:45 PM
I have had a buddy ask me about the steps when I do my rear bumper.
I've had a topper on my truck since day one, never been off.
With the topper in the way, the steps won't be a lot of good in my mind.
Now this swing away step...I need to see this. Might be an answer to me as well.
I envision removing the tailgate and the lift gate/lid/window/whatever that thing is and building that door and window deal. I see creating a simple set of steps that slide into the bumper and can be pulled out when at a bivouac to allow your to step right up into the rear if you want to
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:17:48 PM
Time to get busy building the spare tire carrier

I'm using three hinge points for added strength
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:18:47 PM
I created a little bit of space so it won't be too tough to assemble
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:19:52 PM
Not perfectly spaced, but I wanted the center bar to bisect the turn signal and the brake light lenses
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:21:54 PM
It will take 21 feet of 2" X .120 DOM tubing to span the tailgate and support a couple hundred pounds. About 116 for the tire/wheel, 120 lbs of water + structure + water jugs

I'm estimating 280 lbs fully loaded
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:23:39 PM
A simple 90 degree bend will space out the rack to give me a wee bit of room behind the carrier for some "other stuff"
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:26:03 PM
That's man-work right there. That model 3 bender will flat work out your entire upper body. I prefer to keep it manual and not air/hydraulic just to get the workout. It's like upright rows, about 60 reps, pulling with every ounce of your strength

YEA!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:28:13 PM
The three horizontal tubes will run through 4 steel rectangle sections mounted upright.

Should be pretty strong
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:29:11 PM
And 24 holes later:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:31:03 PM
The fit was tight! I had to wiggle the bars onto and down the tubes an eighth of an inch at a time until I got them in position.

Not sure if I am staying right here with 4 or maybe add in another for good measure
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:31:48 PM
The fit is zero clearance and alignment was spot on
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:33:21 PM
And that took me up to 1930...time to clean myself up as well as that black mutt and cook up some spaghetti for the pre-rangers

That would be build day #275
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Post by: KensAuto on July 02, 2015, 10:46:49 PM
Did you mention where you acquired the hinges? I like those, they look pretty well made.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 02, 2015, 10:52:29 PM
Did you mention where you acquired the hinges? I like those, they look pretty well made.
I made them up from loose parts, Ken
Poly bushing in a DOM sleeve with a grease zerk
Got them from Ruff-Stuff
Then several shock tabs in 1/2" drilled out to 19/32"
9/16 X 4" bolts with nylon lock nuts
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Post by: Sammconn on July 03, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
The fit was tight! I had to wiggle the bars onto and down the tubes an eighth of an inch at a time until I got them in position.

Not sure if I am staying right here with 4 or maybe add in another for good measure
Either way it will be plenty strong.
But it looks to be calling for one more. Not that it will likely be seen once all loaded up. The 'hinges' look like they'll be first class also.
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Post by: JR on July 03, 2015, 12:37:05 AM
Made some good progress, I bet those spacers are 1x3. The hinges have some give but still hold all that up.

I see you got the boxes already, thats a pretty healthy stack? Did you find a good price?

Buy the way guys, Ruff stuff is having a sale right now.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 09:52:25 AM
Made some good progress, I bet those spacers are 1x3. The hinges have some give but still hold all that up.

I see you got the boxes already, thats a pretty healthy stack? Did you find a good price?

Buy the way guys, Ruff stuff is having a sale right now.
I shopped over at CPO, a big tool store online. The reconditioned boxes made the case for me. New was $44 I think, but those cost me $27. The 6" and 10" were pretty reasonable as well. Cheapest pricing I could find
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 10:28:01 AM
So, I had a visit from "Dan-The-Man" a local guy who has a farm, fab shop (Big one), is a self sufficient guy, and a master welder.

He is going to build the aux fuel tank for Square D. We measured it up and came up with a dimension of 61" wide by 19" tall by 9"-10" deep.

Going to this web site which converts measurements into volume and any other conversion you can come up with,

http://www.onlineconversion.com/volume.htm

I come up, oddly enough with a volume of 5.07 gallons for every inch of depth.

So working with a tank 10" deep, I'd have around 55 gallons, minus some air space for expansion, so let's say 52 gallons.

Now I wanted over 100 gallons and possibly much more, but with that much fuel, I will weigh quite a bit and that tank will take up some space, so it's time to stop dreaming here and get practical.

I have a 36 gallon tank in there already. Adding the 52 more would give me 88 gallons. On the open highway this truck will exceed 20MPG and likely be able to get upwards of 25 MPG. Pulling the trailer at around 65MPH I estimate a 20%-25% decrease in mileage.

25MPG - 25% = 18.75MPG

So, 88 gallons gives me a theoretical range of 1650 miles
For perspective, I could drive from Cincinnati to El Paso, Tx or to Salt Lake City, unrefueled

Or in a survival situation where I drive 30 miles once a week to get supplies,
I could operate without refueling for some 58 weeks or 1 Jan until the middle of February, the following year!

So, my question is how much is enough?

The Chevy, by comparison, has 57 gallons + 15 on the spare can rack, or 72 gallons and it gets around 16MPG pulling a trailer...

Every inch I add to the depth of the tank gives me 5 more gallons, but I sacrifice 1" of floor space...
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Post by: Sammconn on July 03, 2015, 11:28:53 AM
I'm thinking you're right with the questioning of how much is enough.
Just a thought, and this may be where the 9-10 inches came from, why not keep at wheel well height. Just adds another same level support. Definitely too low for a 'desk' but would work for cot height. Paired up with the 10 inch Bosch boxes at the gate.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 12:01:45 PM
I'm thinking you're right with the questioning of how much is enough.
Just a thought, and this may be where the 9-10 inches came from, why not keep at wheel well height. Just adds another same level support. Definitely too low for a 'desk' but would work for cot height. Paired up with the 10 inch Bosch boxes at the gate.
No, don't think so.
I planned from the beginning for the tank to fit up front, near the COG and nestled beneath the steel halo I built. It will have the least impact on handling, off camber driving and utility of that small interior space.

It's staying right there. but the real question is not so much where, but how much. 100 gallons gets me from here to California or a couple more months in a post collapse scenario.

But thinking about that, would I even be able to drive anywhere, say to the local amish community to "Buy" milk after a month or two. At some point the criminals and desperate people will take notice and want to ambush me just to grab what I have...fuel, guns, even aspirin. So how far does one need to drive, and for how long will one actually drive on roads festooned with bandits and opportunists?

Again, I've been there, in post collapse areas (Iraq) and brother, it aien't safe to be out and about.

Would I even attempt to get a sick child to a hospital? Would the hospital even still exist or be operational? Would a dying child be triaged behind wounded police or government personnel? I think so. It this thing cashes in it's chips, and I for one believes it will, a collapse of the money system, then you really will be on your own.

I guess I am thinking out loud here and making a decision. I am thinking one's best chance is going to hold out in a secure site. For me that means my rural location. If I cache fuel, it ought to be in 55 gallon drums placed underground, and not in the fuel tank of a vehicle that could be lost in one ambush.

So, I'm going to go for a modest size tank, 9"-10" wide and live with the extra 55 gallons, or make it work...decision made!
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Post by: JR on July 03, 2015, 12:44:16 PM
The tank up front would give the best protection too, but don't overlook the space next to the wheel wells. About the only thing you can really store there are wheel chocks or fluids. They make a couple of drawers for the rear but they never really grabbed me, and they are pricey!

Gotta run down to DMV this morning and register the 1101. Has to be "inspected" here then you get 5 year plates that are like $10. Same time get a temp plate for the Sub so I can get it smogged and registered.

Did you think of splitting the rear gate out so the tire is on one side and the fluids are on the other so you don't have all the swing weight?

As for health care when trouble hits, that hard to say. If the system is own, they may just treat those who can be helped and let the fatally injured slip away. Keeping resources for those you can help will prolong the ability to help and even in bad times many will give up a lot for a child. Its us old farts they won't help, less they are persuaded.
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Post by: JR on July 03, 2015, 01:06:50 PM
Speaking of tanks and spce here is what I have in my Max. Simple sheets let me store items and boxes that don't move and ammo cans fit well. Up front I have a meth tanks, same height as the wheel well.

Not the best picture but you get the idea. They are just simple right angle bends with a couple screws or rivets.
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Post by: husker77c on July 03, 2015, 07:01:39 PM
Some very thought provoking posts there 6. 

I'm using the 105 gal tank in the Zombie Ford (which I am about a week away from starting back up on) and it never occurred to me to consider the weight of the fuel. My tank full will be pushing 800#s.  Pretty significant amount of weight and loss of performance.  With a tuned 12 valve not so much an issue but what if I don't get the swap done by the time things go south?  Then I'm left with a seriously loaded down, barely adequatly powered pig lol.  Wheels are definitely turning in my head now.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 07:24:18 PM
To all: Yes, this is all a juggling act where what you precieve as your challenges you respond to in a manner befitting your situation and budget and timeframe.

The more I think about it, I wouldn't want to get the truck locomotive heavy like it's headed now, but keep it sane and well balanced. Now, having a thousand gallons of fuel cached would offset the tank size, although a 12 valve with over 80 gallons is going to keep going for a long time.

Don't know if I can post tonight, but I did manage to get the swing away carrier mounted up and got well into fabbing on it.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 07:52:45 PM
Before starting I decided to add in that fifth upright. It would work out nearly perfectly to space them 17" apart and build an elongated piece for the end which is going to lock down to the left side
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 07:53:52 PM
After some careful and painstaking measurements it was time to fish-mouth the tubes and weld them to the poly bushing sleeves
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 03, 2015, 07:54:58 PM
don, if and when the collapse happen do we and i mean the good people on this site do we all pool our talents and resources? perhaps on your farm?
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 07:55:06 PM
But drilling freehand is not without hazard. I went through a half dozen drill bits trying to freehand those cuts
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:04:36 PM
don, if and when the collapse happen do we and i mean the good people on this site do we all pool our talents and resources? perhaps on your farm?
Well Darren, that is something we can talk about in private. However I would point out that even though you would be welcome, you'd never make it. The east coast will be a war zone of either police controlled areas or outright anarchy in the other 95% of the areas. The highways will be full of mischief. I don't expect anyone in massive population centers left or right to fare well, just too many people. I've seen the results of that in Baghdad and other crowded places where government control collapsed.

An economic crisis, which almost certainly is coming right up will be subtle. Things will just stop working and within 12 hours or so large scale rioting, looting, burning, vengeance slayings, gang violence and who knows what will be upon us. By the time the tv and internet goes dead you will be about where you could travel to and whatever you'll have will be your survival stuff. Better to organize with like minded folks in the houses around you, if there are any.

You have a 900 mile trip to get to Kentucky, I'd give you 0% chance of making it the first 100 miles. And with the stealthy onset of a financial crisis, you'll never have the 2-3 days you'll need to pack up and move out without getting stuck on a highway, then having no protection to the wolves who will be constantly circling.

Hate to be a doom and gloom guy here, but better for you, the leader of your home and family to get that quick slap across the face now so you can really access what is going on, and what will happen.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:05:56 PM
And here it is tacked in place after some fitting
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
At this point I pulled it off and welded up the first upright brace to hold everything in place, and began welding in the bushing sleeves
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:08:21 PM
Those tube to bushing sleeve welds are highly stressed so I lapped them with some 1/8" stock, hammering it to conform to the various pieces it was getting welded to
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:11:04 PM
Then the thing was bolted back onto the mount
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:12:40 PM
Next A diagonal brace is welded in, effectively making the tire mount act like a girder
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:13:31 PM
Then a second one
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:14:37 PM
I welded it everywhere the parts touched
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 03, 2015, 08:15:33 PM
no you are very correct. i didnt even think that far ahead. i do have a good friend that did alot of time the middle east and awhile ago warned yemen was to be a hot spot and turned out true. he is a distguized marksman and has a cache of good stuff. he works for homeland security at logan airport. id be headed he was. i'll send up smoke signals to let know im ok
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:16:06 PM
The apex of that chevron is where the spare tire mount will reside. I will be using one of the centers I cut out of the stock HMMV wheels when I built those
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 03, 2015, 08:18:27 PM
that tailgate and those welds are awesome!!! most impressive.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:25:32 PM
no you are very correct. i didnt even think that far ahead. i do have a good friend that did alot of time the middle east and awhile ago warned yemen was to be a hot spot and turned out true. he is a distguized marksman and has a cache of good stuff. he works for homeland security at logan airport. id be headed he was. i'll send up smoke signals to let know im ok
Should be plenty of smoke around!

Not the place, but since you brought it up. Everyone needs to consider what is going and take actions to protect themselves. If you live in a urban area because a job has you there, then, and this is going to be blunt, that job will be death of you should the economy collapse. We are facing some really difficult questions. Do we go for the six figure job in a city to get to the earnings we always wanted? But what if the government does collapse? Well, the answer is, because of your decision you will pay the consequences which will likely be your demise.

Sorry it's so blunt, but the Army in me doesn't have time for PC window dressing...just the facts. The facts that arm you with the information you need to kill the enemy or survive and nothing more.

Let's say you decide to can the corporate career. Good choice! Move...Leave, get rural and get a job. Live in a small house and drive an old pickup and put the wife in a five year old reliable car and make it work. When the smoke starts to rise from that city 40 miles away, you'll be watching it for long afterward. While people will be breaking in your home and stealing from you or worse in urbanville, in the country you'll be going over to the neighbors with a can of flour and asking for a few aspirin and offering to bring in the corn.

It's all a choice. And please, don't say anything to me or anyone, but get real quiet and really ask yourself those questions. Do you believe the house of cards is going to tumble down? Is no, the drive on, I pray all the time you are right. If you decide the evidence and that knot in your gut is speaking to you, then do something.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:26:24 PM
This is how far it will open before something starts binding
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:27:07 PM
And closed
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:27:54 PM
Here the next to the last upright is positioned and welded in
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:29:05 PM
And here the end cap piece is fitted but not welded. I need to custom fit this piece in so I left the ends long and will cut them later
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:30:22 PM
So there it is, the end of build day 276.
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 03, 2015, 08:35:12 PM
I have thought and ive started taking steps. like you said I'll say no more other than good advice and taken to heart.
 back to the build, that thing can be used as a weapon its so bad*&%
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Post by: husker77c on July 03, 2015, 08:45:15 PM
I may have missed it but you said you were going to custom fit the end piece. Are you going to wrap it around the drivers side tail light?
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Post by: husker77c on July 03, 2015, 08:48:14 PM
And another question.  In your Bosch tool box thread you mentioned having a cot in the camper shell how do you plan to deal with the fumes from the diesel tank?   I have a shell on my Dodge and I'm contemplating putting one on the Ford but with the tank in the bed I am hesitant because everything you put back there will smell like diesel. 
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:56:05 PM
I may have missed it but you said you were going to custom fit the end piece. Are you going to wrap it around the drivers side tail light?
Right now, I am going to try and keep it inside of the taillight. I want to run the latch bar up from the bumper and attach to the steel halo to tie all that together, but we'll see...
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 03, 2015, 08:57:51 PM
And another question.  In your Bosch tool box thread you mentioned having a cot in the camper shell how do you plan to deal with the fumes from the diesel tank?   I have a shell on my Dodge and I'm contemplating putting one on the Ford but with the tank in the bed I am hesitant because everything you put back there will smell like diesel. 
Just vent it outside. Most of the mil aircraft I flew had aux tanks on the inside...some were even the bottoms of seats! Never smell any of that jet gas in those noisy and vibrating machines.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on July 04, 2015, 12:58:56 AM
This is how far it will open before something starts binding

Or the truck tips over.  :o


Looking good though. Can't wait to see the new door. Maybe a flip down cook/repair area on the back?

Oh, and fuel is #6 a gallon, not #8 if you have a 100 back there (not you Don)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 04, 2015, 08:05:21 AM
Don,  usually no matter what you build, adding weight causes a bit of sag.  Did you fab it with the free end up an inch or so as to sit level when loaded?  Think those concrete beams for bridges or the deck of a flat bed 18 wheeler unloaded.


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on July 04, 2015, 08:09:12 AM
I think someone posted it before, but looking at the gate when it's closed and open. To me and my own opinion, I think it'd be nice to have the gate anchored at both ends, and opening in the center. Less weight hanging off the end when it's fully opened, and when stowed the tire will help conceal the lock, hasp or whatever the case may be, that you'll invariably use to secure it when closed. But again that's just my opinion.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 04, 2015, 08:09:55 AM
As for TEOTWAWKI, just keep an eye on Greece right now.  You can see it unfold as it likely will in the US.  Everyone has their own opinion on how "the end" will come.  Will it come over 6 months like Greece or will it come in 2 days like a massive EMP?  Only you can decide what is your risk tolerance and when the timing is right to transition from mainstream society to rural life. What ever you decide, I strongly suggest you have a written plan and faithfully execute it.


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Post by: Nate on July 04, 2015, 08:29:16 AM
so why not move the extra tank to the M1101 trailer and use that as a supply point for square d and other diesel things?  I say this because it is almost looking like you might be overloading 1 of your 2 prime movers?
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 04, 2015, 10:12:38 AM
This is how far it will open before something starts binding

Or the truck tips over.  :o


Looking good though. Can't wait to see the new door. Maybe a flip down cook/repair area on the back?

Oh, and fuel is #6 a gallon, not #8 if you have a 100 back there (not you Don)
JR, the rack will be carrying water cans @ 8PPG
Copy and diesel is around 6.5-6.8 PPG, same as jet gas depending on the blend. Let me see if I can remember all that
Jet A: 6.5
JP5: 6.5
JP8: 6.8
Diesel #1: 6.8
JP4: 6.4
Fuel oil: 6.8

I think that is close. Fuel/weight calculations...helo/jet fliggin stuff. Do it like 5 times per day...
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 04, 2015, 10:15:25 AM
Don,  usually no matter what you build, adding weight causes a bit of sag.  Did you fab it with the free end up an inch or so as to sit level when loaded?  Think those concrete beams for bridges or the deck of a flat bed 18 wheeler unloaded.


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Sure did RN
It sits about 1.5-2" taller than need be.
Plus it sits on there at a slight angle so that it wants to close. By opening it the thing starts to tilt uphill, so that you have to actually have to hold it open. Full disclosure here: I did that by accident, but I like the way it works!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 04, 2015, 10:17:59 AM
I think someone posted it before, but looking at the gate when it's closed and open. To me and my own opinion, I think it'd be nice to have the gate anchored at both ends, and opening in the center. Less weight hanging off the end when it's fully opened, and when stowed the tire will help conceal the lock, hasp or whatever the case may be, that you'll invariably use to secure it when closed. But again that's just my opinion.
It's just not as strong that way Bobby. By having it latch over on the side I can build a full height latch and have one solid anchor. If I make a two part gate that latches in the middle I'd have to keep the anchor system below the opening line of the tailgate, or outside the opening arc of the door. So that's why I did it this way
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 04, 2015, 10:22:12 AM
As for TEOTWAWKI, just keep an eye on Greece right now.  You can see it unfold as it likely will in the US.  Everyone has their own opinion on how "the end" will come.  Will it come over 6 months like Greece or will it come in 2 days like a massive EMP?  Only you can decide what is your risk tolerance and when the timing is right to transition from mainstream society to rural life. What ever you decide, I strongly suggest you have a written plan and faithfully execute it.


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Changing back and forth between the build thread and Darren's chat thread here ;-)) is making me dizzy!
Talk about biblical...but anyone notice the amount of money a citizen is allowed to withdraw?
$66
What's that "mark of the beast?" three 6's, isn't it???
We're close brothers...pretty close
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 04, 2015, 10:34:44 AM
so why not move the extra tank to the M1101 trailer and use that as a supply point for square d and other diesel things?  I say this because it is almost looking like you might be overloading 1 of your 2 prime movers?
First of all, the trailer system will have fuel as well, and water, mostly water.
Secondly, this is a 3/4 ton truck, which I have upgraded to full 1 ton specs. A factory truck weighs only 5,850 pounds, with the VE Cummins, according to the Dodge manual
So I added:
Front bumper and winch #400
additional frame stuff:  #150
Steel wheels:  #350
Roof rack and stuff: #175
Aux fuel tank: #450
Rear topper with all the shenanigans: #500
Bed halo: #80
Rear bumper and winch: #300
Rear spare: #140
Rear water #130
Additional wiring and stuff under the hood: #100
Traction bar: #50
Longer springs: #100
Dust accumulated over time: #2000

So addin' all that up, and washin' off the dust first I come up with a NVW of: #8775

So it is in around HMMV weight but with 3 times the power. I'm thinking that is G-T-G

By comparison the Chebby comes in at 8,700 on the local truck scale with far less power.
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Post by: Nate on July 04, 2015, 11:55:15 AM
I know there has not been much banter about the trailer, so I was not sure what your plans were for it.  I just had to ask.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 04, 2015, 03:34:26 PM
I know there has not been much banter about the trailer, so I was not sure what your plans were for it.  I just had to ask.
Same plan
Part of the survival system...trailer and Square D
Trailer reconfigured as a camper with all sorts of extra stuff onboard
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 04, 2015, 05:13:37 PM
square d is (i hate say it and offend the chebby gods) a far superior machine and seems alot more versitile ... ugh my spelling today. will you make this your primary? i think after the SAS conversion starts on combat max and your driving D alot you'll find it suits you better. maybe find another square d perhaps a extended or crew and repeat process?
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Post by: JR on July 04, 2015, 05:27:23 PM
Don, you thinking of a soft cover or something firmer for the trailer? I am up in the air with that thinking versatility vs loading.

I have found surplus covers for $600 and I have to pickup (300miles), but not settled on what yet. I think those 2 front areas in front of the wheel wells are perfect for water.

These are nice too, just to far for me;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-Shelter-Truck-Mounted-S-250-G-Used/361220108147?_trksid=p2054897.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140407115239%26meid%3D4e1facc54eac4c2b904701660dad768d%26pid%3D100204%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D29%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D121689039489
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Post by: Nate on July 04, 2015, 11:29:43 PM
Those have absolutely no room in them jr.   They are just an open shelter type inside.
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Post by: Pulley on July 05, 2015, 01:03:43 AM
I'm sure you have thought of this but how hard will it be to get into the back of the truck quickly in an emergency situation?
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 05, 2015, 09:04:14 AM
square d is (i hate say it and offend the chebby gods) a far superior machine and seems alot more versitile ... ugh my spelling today. will you make this your primary? i think after the SAS conversion starts on combat max and your driving D alot you'll find it suits you better. maybe find another square d perhaps a extended or crew and repeat process?
Darren you are reading my mind I see
I see a good utility useage vehicle with C-Max, but little more.
If I am true to my own beliefs, C-Max will have to go
I have my eye on another crew cab old school truck to replace it with and get me completely out of the computer, OBD2 world.
I'll likely sell the Duramax truck at some point, then make that other truck the primary and Square D an occasional driver. Either would have the same engine characteristics with Square D being the "Alamo-Truck" for when things get Baghdad-Bad
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Post by: JR on July 05, 2015, 01:33:43 PM
Maybe a Chevy this time Don? TO bad they never mad a shortbed crew in the 72-91 style. But hey, making a shortbed after this is childs play. But a burb might work to,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: akraven on July 05, 2015, 03:09:57 PM
Maybe a Chevy this time Don? TO bad they never mad a shortbed crew in the 72-91 style. But hey, making a shortbed after this is childs play. But a burb might work to,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sounds good to me!   I would like to see you work your ideas on a burb.
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Post by: JR on July 05, 2015, 03:21:19 PM
That would make it 3 burbs here,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 05, 2015, 04:56:14 PM
That would make it 3 burbs here,,,,,,,,,,
Crew cab short box truck

And you knuckleheads should help me price out the Chebby.
Has 47,000 miles. Stolen 2 times and stripped, fire and collision damage and it was cursed by a voodoo witch doctor.
One of the preceding is true
How muchy?
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 05, 2015, 05:29:27 PM
plus did chevy put out diesel that was mechanical? the old 6.5 detroit? i bet it would waay easier to get a square d crew
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Post by: JR on July 05, 2015, 05:33:31 PM
That would make it 3 burbs here,,,,,,,,,,
Crew cab short box truck

And you knuckleheads should help me price out the Chebby.
Has 47,000 miles. Stolen 2 times and stripped, fire and collision damage and it was cursed by a voodoo witch doctor.
One of the preceding is true
How muchy?

Well with under 50k and the options, it will sell fast for the right price. Heck, you could auction it for a Charity and write it all off!!

For the new build, as you look, think in the lines of a utility box for the rear,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I just like the idea.   
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Post by: JR on July 05, 2015, 05:36:25 PM
plus did chevy put out diesel that was mechanical? the old 6.5 detroit? i bet it would waay easier to get a square d crew

GM never made a short box crew cab, it will need to be custom. Diesel yes, 6.5 yes but I don't the "Don" wants to go that way.
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 05, 2015, 05:38:24 PM
what time frame you looking to sell..im interested.
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Post by: rasimmo on July 05, 2015, 07:17:11 PM
That would make it 3 burbs here,,,,,,,,,,
Crew cab short box truck

And you knuckleheads should help me price out the Chebby.
Has 47,000 miles. Stolen 2 times and stripped, fire and collision damage and it was cursed by a voodoo witch doctor.
One of the preceding is true
How muchy?

If your talkin late 80 I have looked at a few. Junk yard type drag on a trailer versions 1000 - 2500 depending on how far the rust has spread. Original drivers mostly intact and almost straight 5000 - 10000. Redone/restored or 6bt swapped 8000 - 15000. I been looking a little cuz that's on my list. Gotta finish up some honey dos first though.

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Post by: Flyin6 on July 05, 2015, 11:19:54 PM
I came across one in Tennessee. When I started asking the hard questions about this pristine, western truck, the deal fell apart fast. I asked "Is that a chunk of plastic I see knocked out on top of the wheel well? I thought you said it was rust free?"

I have something sort of lined up at the moment.

Darren, no time frame, anytime really. I use the Chevy so it's not hurting me. On the other hand the longer I own it, the longer the delay on starting the other truck which will probably take me a year to turn
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 05, 2015, 11:24:01 PM
plus did chevy put out diesel that was mechanical? the old 6.5 detroit? i bet it would waay easier to get a square d crew
Darren,

You are correct about that 6.5 being a mechanical (mostly) injection engine, but I don't like them.
They were in HMMV's all over the military and have not proven to be the most reliable engine. Further, they don't produce very much power. I don't think they are direct injection diesels, but like the old Ford IDI diesels. Lacking like half the power we routinely enjoy. Nossir, the 6BT is my go to engine of choice.
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Post by: moto123 on July 06, 2015, 02:32:21 PM
Well you guys continue to be as entertaining as ever.  Glad to know there are future truck builds already planned.  I would hate to run out of reading material and have to actually eat my lunch during lunchtime.  :)

Also for what it's worth, would there be any value to having the second vehicle be smaller and more mobile for recon and supply runs instead of building the second vehicle to be bigger?  I am wondering about something like a Jeep Wrangler with a 4BT.  I am thinking grocery getter for the SHTF scenario.  Something that runs on the same fuel, but gets better mileage and wouldn't end your overall survivability if it received damage or was stolen during use.  You could just go back to using square D.
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Post by: rasimmo on July 06, 2015, 03:06:59 PM
Well you guys continue to be as entertaining as ever.  Glad to know there are future truck builds already planned.  I would hate to run out of reading material and have to actually eat my lunch during lunchtime.  :)

Also for what it's worth, would there be any value to having the second vehicle be smaller and more mobile for recon and supply runs instead of building the second vehicle to be bigger?  I am wondering about something like a Jeep Wrangler with a 4BT.  I am thinking grocery getter for the SHTF scenario.  Something that runs on the same fuel, but gets better mileage and wouldn't end your overall survivability if it received damage or was stolen during use.  You could just go back to using square D.

That has surely crossed my mind. I want to build a 1 ton crew first then a jeep with the same axles, trans, and t case as the truck. Only thing different would be the 4 bt instead of 6. That way you would limit spare parts needs. That's how it works out in my head anyway. I pray we never NEED to have all this. Even if we don't it will be a couple nice vehicles to run around in.
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Post by: JR on July 06, 2015, 04:39:35 PM
Anything you find from TX to Cal along the lower states should be very solid as far as rust free. Plus the 70s was not a good time for GM metal, late 80s was better.

Both my subs are 91 (same as the last year of the V30). One is pristine with no rust, other has a little here and there but was a gov vehicle that saw snow and coastal climates.

Yep, the 6.2/6.5 was never a powerhouse and is indirect injection and has pump and harmonic balance issues,
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 06, 2015, 07:40:44 PM
so not a reliable power plant and a good body and frame that's hard to come across without spending alot. ( hmm sounds like my dating life in my early twenties lol).  so id say its dodge 12v crew or bust.
Don i was thinking I'd be looking to buy another rig in a few years once the girls learn how to drive my 07 crew. they're 2 1/2 and 11 months so ya know a few years ...
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2015, 10:09:42 PM
so not a reliable power plant and a good body and frame that's hard to come across without spending alot. ( hmm sounds like my dating life in my early twenties lol).  so id say its dodge 12v crew or bust.
Don i was thinking I'd be looking to buy another rig in a few years once the girls learn how to drive my 07 crew. they're 2 1/2 and 11 months so ya know a few years ...
Well, If I do anything with the Chevy it will be within months to maybe a year.
I really have to get Square D sorted out, driving, and reliable before I'd venture off into another 7000 page build project
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 06, 2015, 10:19:33 PM
Good news: Got the first pile of mulch all spread out, and the second 10 yards doesn't come until late tomorrow or Wednesday.

I think I have an interesting idea for mounting the spare. Picture an "A" shaped affair with the wheel flange at the top of that "A."
Wit me so far?
Well, who cares, but anyway, If I can extend the legs down far enough I can weld them to two more of those poly bushings, then tab out the bottom rail of the swing gate. That way the thing with the tire/wheel could roll backward say until it is horizontal with planet earth while still holding the tire.

Ah, very perceptive my dear Watson, what is holding the tire you ask? Why the cable attached to the winch of course! So, by unpinning the top of the "A" mount from it's upper anchor point, one would reverse the winch and lower the "A" until it was horizontal, the "A" would stop then Mr. Goodyear would continue his voyage to the earth. No real muscle needed. If I don't do that, I'm going to hire a grunt or a Marine to lift that thing up and take it down when I need it!

I'm going to create some smoke and sparks tomorrow to see if I can tool up this thing
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Post by: KensAuto on July 06, 2015, 11:11:45 PM
Sounds interesting . .... easier than carrying a forklift around, or a marine for that matter.
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Post by: rasimmo on July 07, 2015, 07:41:12 AM
This should be interesting.
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Post by: JR on July 07, 2015, 01:14:36 PM
I think I saw a grunt on youtube trying to "manhandle" an H1 tire. The grunt was not a small man by any means and guess who won?

Yeah, if you can keep the tire off the rack it will be easier to handle all the way around. Unless you have it as close to the pivot as practical, then you get the rack to use as a lever.

Another idea is a small hydraulic jack worked into the mount.

Whatever it is, it will be over-engineered for sure!
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Post by: Wilbur on July 07, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
I have thought how handy a simple tow hitch crane would be a bunch of times. While not as permanent as what you are contemplating for your tire change it would be able to do double duty for loading/unloading stuff in the bed. It also could be done to easily fold up/come apart for storage.

This is the "kind" of thing I was thinking about but for you it would be easy to run the winch line to control/lift the tire.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Auto-ATV/Car-Truck-SUV/Auto-Towing-Hitches/Cargo-Carriers-Racks%7C/pc/104796180/c/630501480/sc/104780880/i/104253480/Viking-Solutions-Rack-Jacktrade-Utility-Lift/1850536.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fcargo-carriers-racks%2F_%2FN-1118204%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104253480

 
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Post by: Sammconn on July 07, 2015, 05:57:43 PM
That's an intriguing idea Wilbur.
I think Don will have his all integrated into the gate but same principle essentially.

Not sure if you've ever said a weight on the big skins Don, but I'd assume they are quite a jag.
I'm thinking your plan to be along the lines of the GM factory spare theory, just adding in the hinge. Should be very doable, just maybe a lot of pain in the butt to get it all 'right'. I really like the idea, and when it works possible see a mod coming to the tire carrier on C-Max?
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:31:45 PM
Well, I've been toying with the setup of the unfolding tire carrier. Unless I've missed something, this won't be rocket science, just some engineering hurtles.

Today I labored on the tire mount gate anchor or latch point. I heeded that done before launching off on the tire thing.

Oh, and Sammconn, one of those tire/wheels are weighing between 130 and 140 ea.

So to start I needed to trim back the swing away gate. I moved that last upright inboard a few inches, then trimmed off the excess tube
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:33:02 PM
Next up, I created a incline to catch the gate and assist it up into the travel-lock position
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:33:53 PM
And a "foot" for the upright
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:35:16 PM
Here's the point the upright was welded in and the stubs cut off
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:36:22 PM
This is the upper anchor point for the latch assembly
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:38:42 PM
I chose a section of C-channel with a 3/8" and a 1/4" spacer welded on to slide into that upper tube
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:40:08 PM
The bolt goes all the way through and pinches the top anchor in place
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:41:22 PM
That piece was cut to length leaving two straps which I wrapped around the upright
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:42:47 PM
Next up the upright foot was created from 10 gage. It bolts down to the top of the bumper with 4 3/8" bolts
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:44:33 PM
Then the square tube upright was welded in
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:46:39 PM
Then a piece of angle was used to provide a positive stop for closing

I will build off this for the latch mechanisms
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 07, 2015, 08:47:59 PM
And that right there finished build day 277
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Post by: Sammconn on July 07, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Lookin good!
The latch will surely be stout. But with 3-400 pounds riding along on the swing gate it better be!
I guess I'll start it again. I'm a little concerned with the joining of the bumper to box, but do understand the stiffening that has and is to come. Just thinking out loud I suppose, but it seems worrisome to me.

Dang those tires are hefty. I figgered North of 100 each but dang.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 08, 2015, 08:50:43 AM
Heavy for sure. Steel wheels in two parts, insert, heavy tires, and all those studs and nuts.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 08, 2015, 10:13:54 PM
I started the spare tire mount today

No pics, I'll post tomorrow after work then. With all that happened today, I wasn't working at normal speed and well, I'll just get everything up tomorrow
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Post by: Sammconn on July 08, 2015, 10:56:34 PM
With the day that has been, I'm surprised you got to anything at all.
Undoubtedly bummed out with the events of the day.
I think we can all allow today with no update.
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Post by: rasimmo on July 08, 2015, 11:25:10 PM
I'll second that. I like keeping up with this as much as everyone, but today it's surely understandable.
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Post by: JR on July 08, 2015, 11:42:45 PM
An idea Don. Since you have the winch back there, just weld a little pulley above the mount. You would still have to guide it onto the mount lugs, but you don't have to lift it up there.

Or incorporate the winch into an arm like a hoist you could swing the tire or other things into the back of SD.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 08:48:35 AM
An idea Don. Since you have the winch back there, just weld a little pulley above the mount. You would still have to guide it onto the mount lugs, but you don't have to lift it up there.

Or incorporate the winch into an arm like a hoist you could swing the tire or other things into the back of SD.
Well, the idea I have will use a simple hand-cranked winch to first lower the mount to a level position, then as the tire comes free of the studs, on down to the ground. Simple enough and will require a couple of pulleys and guides, but doable
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:02:48 PM
So I went out in the shop today and was shocked to discover this:

Many are missing (Eaten??)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:04:40 PM
I started yesterday with finding the old wheel center from one of the modified HMMV wheels and rustled up 4ea 9/16" fine thread bolts, same thread as the lug nuts
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:05:58 PM
I wanted to weld them in there all slanted looking, but the red dog wouldn't allow it, insisting on a squared up proper installation
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:08:13 PM
The bolt head and excess was trimmed away before going further.

Next up I cut up 4ea. pieces to serve as the base feet that will weld to one of the tire carrier tubes and serve as the mount for the actual tire carrier
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:10:07 PM
I'll be using more of the same poly bushings to serve as a pivot for the tire carrier, and I envision them fitting like this. This way I get plenty of weld to carry all that weight which will top 200 lbs with the carrier, tire and wheel
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:11:04 PM
And the uprights will fit approximately like this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:13:18 PM
The gate was moving about and I didn't need it to, so I took a break and decided to build in the gate latch. The upper pull-to-over-center latch will go in here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:14:39 PM
The base which I fitted to a piece of 1.5" square tubing will weld in here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:16:14 PM
The primary latch is this part which I have now been successfully been using on the D-Max truck for years without failure
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:17:49 PM
I started with this piece, first taping it for 5/16" coarse thread, then tacking a nut in the inside for good measure
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:19:23 PM
Then I drilled and taped a couple more holes and mounted the latch. The catch part was welded in and that latch assembly was done!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:21:04 PM
Next the lower latch was located. It is a simple plunger that will capture the gate through a 1/2" hole
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:38:42 PM
The plunger mounts to this section of box tubing
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:40:20 PM
It fits into this lower section which will weld to the swing gate
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:41:58 PM
And here it is insatlled
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:43:48 PM
The bottom of that plunger is threaded so just for grins if you wanted to lock your tailgate and block access to the back end of the truck, simply install a bolt here and the would be thief would be facing a whole new set of problems
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:45:08 PM
OK, gate is now secure, back to the tire carrier

Next I cleaned up the wheel flange getting it ready to be welded to
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:46:25 PM
I spaced the legs out another 3/4" to allow for some adjustability and began to weld things together
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:47:56 PM
Then I wrapped the top with a piece of 10 gage
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
At this point the thing was permanized and I was a happy, mechanically minded man (MMM or M3)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:51:58 PM
To properly align the bushings I had to create an axle which captured the bushings and held them all pretty and straight while I tacked the steel carcass into the ugly plasma arc chewed out fish mouths I made in the base of the legs
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:53:04 PM
The I sawed the axle in half and removed it and the poly parts of the bushings leaving the shells
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:55:21 PM
It was a simple matter of filling in the voids with weld, which finished this part of the operation except for the poly bushings which I stuck back in
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 07:56:36 PM
Then those feet I made some time ago were cut to length
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 08:00:15 PM
The bushing holes are drilled off center for a reason. The feet have a 6" extension beyond the bearing you might have noticed. That was purpose designed to allow me to drill the outboard bottom of the foot for a 1/2" through bolt. This will limit the rotation of the tire carrier until it is somewhere just short of level. The carrier will remain in place while the tire/wheel continues to the ground via a cable/pulley/winch system.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
And that right there took me right up to hamburgers and Brats drenched in applewood and bacon mustard
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 09, 2015, 08:46:32 PM
So the Red Dog got "loaded" last night and had to sleep it off in the garage, or did it shine a IR laser at a Dutch Jet and get "shelled"?  Sorry, you gave me the "ammunition" and I had to "take the shot".......bah! 
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 09:22:21 PM
So the Red Dog got "loaded" last night and had to sleep it off in the garage, or did it shine a IR laser at a Dutch Jet and get "shelled"?  Sorry, you gave me the "ammunition" and I had to "take the shot".......bah! 
Good one Mikey!
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Post by: Sammconn on July 09, 2015, 09:40:12 PM
So the Red Dog got "loaded" last night and had to sleep it off in the garage, or did it shine a IR laser at a Dutch Jet and get "shelled"?  Sorry, you gave me the "ammunition" and I had to "take the shot".......bah!
Oh my...Mike strikes again.
Delivering one shell of a beam, er blow.
That's going to be a load to pass. Literally and figuratively.
I think I hope for your sake and the red dogs, it passes ok, without a stoppage...
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 09, 2015, 09:46:24 PM
So the Red Dog got "loaded" last night and had to sleep it off in the garage, or did it shine a IR laser at a Dutch Jet and get "shelled"?  Sorry, you gave me the "ammunition" and I had to "take the shot".......bah!
Oh my...Mike strikes again.
Delivering one shell of a beam, er blow.
That's going to be a load to pass. Literally and figuratively.
I think I hope for your sake and the red dogs, it passes ok, without a stoppage...
At first I didn't mind, it's just the red dog.

That was an unopened box of 500!

But then I got to thinking. What if she drops a load in the lawn, and I go mowing over it some time later!
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 09, 2015, 09:51:33 PM
ya better duck!!
the lower plunger latch blocks the tail light and reverse light....this ok with the DOT....the real DOT
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Post by: Wilbur on July 09, 2015, 10:13:02 PM
Really great work as always. Is there any risk that a branch running down the side of SD could open that top latch? Or does it have some sort of safety to prevent that? (I'm reading on my phone so things aren't always as obvious as on a larger screen).  ::)
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Post by: Sammconn on July 09, 2015, 10:35:21 PM
So the Red Dog got "loaded" last night and had to sleep it off in the garage, or did it shine a IR laser at a Dutch Jet and get "shelled"?  Sorry, you gave me the "ammunition" and I had to "take the shot".......bah!
Oh my...Mike strikes again.
Delivering one shell of a beam, er blow.
That's going to be a load to pass. Literally and figuratively.
I think I hope for your sake and the red dogs, it passes ok, without a stoppage...
At first I didn't mind, it's just the red dog.

That was an unopened box of 500!

But then I got to thinking. What if she drops a load in the lawn, and I go mowing over it some time later!
so what is your guess. 22 missing?  ::)
That may make lawn mowing interesting for the next while.
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Post by: JR on July 10, 2015, 12:33:30 AM
I was thinking more of the "Battle of New Orleans" when they fired the croc off!!!!

Can't wait to see the end of this bumper and how the tranny works when pulling that big ol thing.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 10, 2015, 01:10:02 AM
I was thinking more of the "Battle of New Orleans" when they fired the croc off!!!!

Can't wait to see the end of this bumper and how the tranny works when pulling that big ol thing.

Seems you'll be waiting a long time.  Gray hair yet?? No?? You will be by the time he starts this thing.....

START IT UP
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 08:43:03 AM
the lower plunger latch blocks the tail light and reverse light....this ok with the DOT....the real DOT
Don't know...Don't care, my friend
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 08:52:24 AM
Really great work as always. Is there any risk that a branch running down the side of SD could open that top latch? Or does it have some sort of safety to prevent that? (I'm reading on my phone so things aren't always as obvious as on a larger screen).  ::)
Yes I believe a branch could and would open that latch. The bottom plunger, however would be hard to open
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 08:53:47 AM
So the Red Dog got "loaded" last night and had to sleep it off in the garage, or did it shine a IR laser at a Dutch Jet and get "shelled"?  Sorry, you gave me the "ammunition" and I had to "take the shot".......bah!
Oh my...Mike strikes again.
Delivering one shell of a beam, er blow.
That's going to be a load to pass. Literally and figuratively.
I think I hope for your sake and the red dogs, it passes ok, without a stoppage...
At first I didn't mind, it's just the red dog.

That was an unopened box of 500!

But then I got to thinking. What if she drops a load in the lawn, and I go mowing over it some time later!
so what is your guess. 22 missing?  ::)
That may make lawn mowing interesting for the next while.
More like 222
Gives a whole new meaning to the term
"Tail-Gunner!"
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Post by: Sammconn on July 10, 2015, 10:26:27 AM
Oh, she ate that many.
Tail gunner with a mini gun then.
Hope it goes through well, vet bills are rude.
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Post by: rasimmo on July 10, 2015, 11:22:05 AM
That dog is the enemy for sure. Steals your ammo and intends to use it against you later.
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on July 10, 2015, 12:23:59 PM
Who is going to verify the count and will they be returned to stock?
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 01:03:48 PM
Who is going to verify the count and will they be returned to stock?
Now Matt, that would be one CRAPPY job!
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Post by: Wilbur on July 10, 2015, 01:17:54 PM
Don- (and I am going to apologize in advance....nothing worse than some clown sitting on a 'puter questioning your work while you're doing it and posting it all for us to see and learn from!  ::)). Could you turn the whole upper latch piece 180 degrees....put the catch on the bar up the side of SD and have the "handle" on the rack/carrier? I realize the foot you attached the handle is larger than the foot for the catch assembly ( so more fabrication....more pictures....LOL) but it might prevent it being opened by a branch etc. I totally get that the bottom latch would keep it closed so it may not be needed but figured as I am sitting here throwing grenades I might as well go all in.  ;D
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 01:34:12 PM
Don- (and I am going to apologize in advance....nothing worse than some clown sitting on a 'puter questioning your work while you're doing it and posting it all for us to see and learn from!  ::)). Could you turn the whole upper latch piece 180 degrees....put the catch on the bar up the side of SD and have the "handle" on the rack/carrier? I realize the foot you attached the handle is larger than the foot for the catch assembly ( so more fabrication....more pictures....LOL) but it might prevent it being opened by a branch etc. I totally get that the bottom latch would keep it closed so it may not be needed but figured as I am sitting here throwing grenades I might as well go all in.  ;D
Naw...Disapproved...Carry on!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 10, 2015, 07:28:06 PM
If you ever want an animal (dogs or cats) to pass from the entry instead of the tail gun, pour a healthy amount of hydrogen peroxide down their throat and it them outside and leave them there for a good while- it'll clear EVERYTHING from their stomachs.  It us usual works within minutes a few to 15.  Once evacuation starts, it'll last up to 45 mins.

Once it's past there, use a cup of vegetable oil given in a dish, they'll lap it up, at that point the system will take over and grease the rails.  Outside confinement is called for as they blow what's in their guts as you'd expect.
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 10, 2015, 07:31:30 PM
the lower plunger latch blocks the tail light and reverse light....this ok with the DOT....the real DOT
Don't know...Don't care, my friend
i often say that when questioned what others think. glad we think alike
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 10, 2015, 07:33:09 PM
Fantastic fab work as per the norm.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:19:29 PM
Fantastic fab work as per the norm.
Thank ya kindly!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:21:21 PM
The brown truck showed up and instead of putting that box on the shelf, I pulled these clevis mounts out and decided to just long term store them on the bumper.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
Then back to the spare tire carrier. One more check to make sure the thing still fits. Welding heat has a way of making things migrate...like continental drift. You never see it but it's happening all the time
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:25:04 PM
I wanted some adjustability in case I changed up wheels later, so I added these two suspension bumpers off of the Silverado, I think
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:26:24 PM
The engine hoist came in handy, taking the place of the Deere tractor to hold everything in where it needed to be before welding it in
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:27:02 PM
Welding complete:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:27:48 PM
And now for the tilt:
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Post by: Wilbur on July 10, 2015, 09:28:01 PM
Naw...Disapproved...Carry on!

Just curious...why? And I don't mean to sound like a smartass....you've already proven you're playing chess on this build where I'm playing checkers. But I am curious? And "because that's the way I want it" is entirely acceptable in my book!  ;)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:29:17 PM
Naw...Disapproved...Carry on!

Just curious...why? And I don't mean to sound like a smartass....you've already proven you're playing chess on this build where I'm playing checkers. But I am curious? And "because that's the way I want it" is entirely acceptable in my book!  ;)
Mr. Will, just wait a few more posts and you'll have your answer
Sit tight!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
The spare tire needs a catch as well, I decided to use the same latch I have been using all over. Here's the stack-up
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Post by: Wilbur on July 10, 2015, 09:31:43 PM
I'm like a kid on Christmas morn...my bad! Ha.

Read through a bunch of your stories this afternoon....thanks for sharing those. Really great stuff. And I think they would sell. Just sayin'
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:33:04 PM
I'm like a kid on Christmas morn...my bad! Ha.

Read through a bunch of your stories this afternoon....thanks for sharing those. Really great stuff. And I think they would sell. Just sayin'
Your answer is coming up, and I have to say that you were the one who made me think of this simple little mod which will keep everyone happy...stand by for a stand-by
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
And here it is assembled
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:37:21 PM
Now, in response to Wilbur's concern, I was looking at that latch that pulls the top of the tailgate in tight. He was concerned that a passing branch could force the latch open. Now the safety plunger on the bottom would keep things closed but with all the weight on that gate, it might want to move.

After looking at it, it hit me. Just lock all those parts together...a simple clip like I use all over my tractor. So I drilled it and stuck in one of John Deere's finest and that locked it tighter than Obamas birth records!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:39:08 PM
The same treatment was given to the spare tire latch
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:41:55 PM
Here's some views of the build so far. I measured the tire which went a bit over 18" from center to tread. The carrier is placed high and away from the taillight.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 09:43:37 PM
And that wraps up Build day #279
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Post by: Wilbur on July 10, 2015, 09:51:27 PM
Ha! Last night I was going to suggest almost that exact thing (I was thinking locking pin with the little ball in the shaft) and said to myself....you're already tormenting Don enough with your stupid a** questions.  :-[ I like it...simple and effective!

Now if only getting BO's REAL birth certificate (and no....not his "certificate of live birth" for the NPR folks monitoring the site) were so easy we'd all be breathing easier at night....sheesh.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2015, 10:23:57 PM
Ha! Last night I was going to suggest almost that exact thing (I was thinking locking pin with the little ball in the shaft) and said to myself....you're already tormenting Don enough with your stupid a** questions.  :-[ I like it...simple and effective!

Now if only getting BO's REAL birth certificate (and no....not his "certificate of live birth" for the NPR folks monitoring the site) were so easy we'd all be breathing easier at night....sheesh.

Yea, the Obama administration is SO transparent that you just see right past it instead of through it!
You think OB ever held a wrench? Changed oil? hammered a single nail?
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Post by: akraven on July 10, 2015, 10:30:16 PM
Great innovative work Don getting it all to work. I like how its coming together.
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Post by: Wilbur on July 11, 2015, 01:46:14 AM
Yea, the Obama administration is SO transparent that you just see right past it instead of through it!
You think OB ever held a wrench? Changed oil? hammered a single nail?

Well he has shown he knows how to use a screwdriver really well.....sad to say for all REAL Americans....

 >:(

And thinking about your whole swing arm on the back....with the way you suggeated locking the bottom pin that really keeps any contents inside the bed pretty darn safe.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2015, 10:20:57 AM
Great innovative work Don getting it all to work. I like how its coming together.
Well, Alaska,
It aien't working just yet.

Getting there, but I'm not taking any credit until the fat lady sings and right now, she's not even in the building.

I was looking around for my hand winch, the one I once had on the "Tactical topper" if you were a part of that fiasco. I saved it and stored it...s o m e w h e r e
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Post by: rasimmo on July 11, 2015, 11:02:18 AM


I was looking around for my hand winch, the one I once had on the "Tactical topper" if you were a part of that fiasco. I saved it and stored it...s o m e w h e r e

If you didn't melt it down after that topper fiasco, red dog prolly ate it. Any part of the tac topper is cursed so just buy another one.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2015, 12:50:16 PM


I was looking around for my hand winch, the one I once had on the "Tactical topper" if you were a part of that fiasco. I saved it and stored it...s o m e w h e r e

If you didn't melt it down after that topper fiasco, red dog prolly ate it. Any part of the tac topper is cursed so just buy another one.
Yea, you're probably right...cursed...
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Post by: JR on July 11, 2015, 01:43:16 PM
Well the hand crank could power something he ate??
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Post by: Wilbur on July 11, 2015, 03:43:24 PM
Well the hand crank could power something he ate??

Oh no.....the Red Dog Mini-gun. The zombies won't stand a chance! Ha!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 11, 2015, 07:56:50 PM
Like the "hood pin" solution to the latches- get yourself some cables to hold the puns when out of the latch and your all set!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2015, 09:37:34 PM
Like the "hood pin" solution to the latches- get yourself some cables to hold the puns when out of the latch and your all set!
I plan to!

Oh and guess what we've been finding in the yard??? You guessed it!

One .22 round ended up in the driveway and a truck ran it over, scarring it, or maybe those were teeth marks. But it didn't go off. I cut grass today. Thought about sitting on a flack jacket, but with that super thick deck, It was all good...and no unintentional discharges so far...
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 12, 2015, 08:19:18 AM
Like the "hood pin" solution to the latches- get yourself some cables to hold the puns when out of the latch and your all set!
I plan to!

Oh and guess what we've been finding in the yard??? You guessed it!

One .22 round ended up in the driveway and a truck ran it over, scarring it, or maybe those were teeth marks. But it didn't go off. I cut grass today. Thought about sitting on a flack jacket, but with that super thick deck, It was all good...and no unintentional discharges so far...

Time to go to your local rental center and set the Pre-Rangers up with a metal detector and a mission for a few hours- kinda like mine sweeping detail!
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Post by: HuskerTrev on July 12, 2015, 11:52:58 AM
Loving the rear carrier! Keep up the good work!


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Post by: Flyin6 on July 12, 2015, 04:21:03 PM
Loving the rear carrier! Keep up the good work!


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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 13, 2015, 08:01:42 AM
For the record:

I LIKED the Tac-Topper!
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Neat design, had the "contraption" angle to it that reminded me of the early "Little Rascals" movie vehicle with the articulated punching glove type stuff, and it was going to pack neatly back into itself!

Question Red Dog as to winches whereabouts- I suspect somewhere around the stoop from the garage into the house 'cause that'd be about where it'd land when you tossed it.........just saying!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2015, 08:18:00 AM
Yesterday the Red Dog ran away!

Yippee!

No more red dog!!!!!!!!!!!

Then late last night the D@)&!! thing came home and was covered in sewer mixins!

We tied it up and power washed it. Should have drowned the thing...

D@)!&^!! dog! Its possessed
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 13, 2015, 08:33:00 AM
Yesterday the Red Dog ran away!

Yippee!

No more red dog!!!!!!!!!!!

Then late last night the D@)&!! thing came home and was covered in sewer mixins!

We tied it up and power washed it. Should have drowned the thing...

D@)!&^!! dog! Its possessed

Don, you aren't connecting the DOTs!

Red Dog was on a RECON mission and had stocked up on ammo before heading out to battle the evil cats.......H.I.S.S. thought they'd cornered Red Dog, but having listened to your discussion on ingress and egress, went sub-grade to avoid detection and capture!
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Post by: husker77c on July 13, 2015, 10:37:28 AM
This is a little off the tire carrier topic but goes back to the in bed fuel tank.   Have you thought about incorporating a setup to run waste motor oil or waste vegetable oil?   I know to run it guys usually set up a filtering/refinement setup in their garage before dumping it into the tank.  I've been thinking about how to set it up to work with the transfer tank after you run out of options for diesel i.e. When all your tanks are empty.  Have a se t up to drain motor oil from dead vehicles/equipment and filter it onboard before putting it in the tank. 

If you're having your guy build that tank you could have him put a drain plug on the very very bottom and then your fuel line an inch or so above that.  That way you could filter the oil before it goes into the tank and let it sit in the tank for a few days then pop the bottom drain open to expel the water that separates from it and you would have an alternate source of fuel. 

I'm probably going to try something like this when I get slowed down from work this winter.  Not only for TEOTWAWKI but simply because it's pretty darn cool.  I like fuel for less than a dollar a gallon.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2015, 10:55:56 AM
This is a little off the tire carrier topic but goes back to the in bed fuel tank.   Have you thought about incorporating a setup to run waste motor oil or waste vegetable oil?   I know to run it guys usually set up a filtering/refinement setup in their garage before dumping it into the tank.  I've been thinking about how to set it up to work with the transfer tank after you run out of options for diesel i.e. When all your tanks are empty.  Have a se t up to drain motor oil from dead vehicles/equipment and filter it onboard before putting it in the tank. 

If you're having your guy build that tank you could have him put a drain plug on the very very bottom and then your fuel line an inch or so above that.  That way you could filter the oil before it goes into the tank and let it sit in the tank for a few days then pop the bottom drain open to expel the water that separates from it and you would have an alternate source of fuel. 

I'm probably going to try something like this when I get slowed down from work this winter.  Not only for TEOTWAWKI but simply because it's pretty darn cool.  I like fuel for less than a dollar a gallon.
Well, several things here
First, when I was talking with the guy building the engine and injection pump, I specified a wide range of fuels. I wanted a true multifuel engine with the pump able to digest from diluted motor oil on the low end of the curve upward to jet gas on the top end and most everything in-between. That includes all the regular fuels and vegetable oils, auto trans fluid and things like that.

A 12 valve Cummins engine will readily digest motor oil! Pour it through a cheese cloth strainer and then pour it into your diesel tank. The engine will run.

I have explored making my own diesel fuel, and that amounts to around a $1500 investment and a supply of waste grease fryer oil. The machine I envision would make about 60 gallons of fuel a day, but contain a bit more water than is normal. No big deal, just filter it at the engine.

As for the aux tank, talking with Dan, we decided to make the pickup from the top so as to eliminate future leak points. That tank will likely be the one that gets the mixed fuels whereas the 36 gallon main tank would get the purest fuel. The idea would be to start the engine on diesel fuel and allow it to warm up. Then switch it to the waste oil and transmission fluid and whatever else tank and operate the vehicle. At shutdown, I'd switch back to diesel to purge the other stuff from the system. Some of the alternate fuels, vegetable oil in particular starts to gel sooner at lower temps, which clogs fuel lines. so keeping that at temp is important. Additionally, I thought of wrapping a continuous loop of copper line around the exhaust pipe, then route it up through the aux fuel tank and fill it with anti-freeze. The fluid would naturally circulate due to convection and warm the heavier fuel on those cold days
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Post by: husker77c on July 13, 2015, 11:19:01 AM
Good ideas.  My idea was to Tee off of the heater hoses and run hoses along the frame rail and into a U shaped piece of pipe in one of the fill holes.  That way when your engine is up to temperature you would know your tank was as well.  This would also help with gelling fuel. Although with winter blend fuel that wouldn't be as much of an issue.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2015, 11:24:41 AM
Good ideas.  My idea was to Tee off of the heater hoses and run hoses along the frame rail and into a U shaped piece of pipe in one of the fill holes.  That way when your engine is up to temperature you would know your tank was as well.  This would also help with gelling fuel. Although with winter blend fuel that wouldn't be as much of an issue.
The heater hose would work as well, but the copper loop requires nothing dedicated from the engine. I also wanted to heat the fuel tank because of the principle of thermal mass. If I was stuck in the back of the truck, that warmed up fuel tank would radiate heat for long into the night keeping my tooties warm and happy
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 14, 2015, 12:07:07 AM
Don, See the attached regarding diesel reaction with copper. Also WVO seems to have some issues with copper.

I would probably go stainless

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC0QFjACahUKEwiPqszS3tnGAhUKOogKHb0OCSE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bp.com%2Fcontent%2Fdam%2Fbp-country%2Fen_au%2Fmedia%2Ffuel-news%2Flong-term-storage-diesel.pdf&ei=-YmkVc_JHYr0oAS9naSIAg&usg=AFQjCNFn-h-ciBGkSGfLSc9mpi7Q1cg4Kw&sig2=xyeYdr_yevK-eaP4I1r-3A&bvm=bv.97653015,d.cGU
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 14, 2015, 09:48:03 AM
Just learned something RN
Copper...
Accelerates fuel degradation
Kind of like what happens when introducing gays and transvestites into the active military...

'goodin!

Derailing my own thread (new concept...sort of like sino-masochism)
I knew of a certain government installation that stored diesel fuel long term...in water!
Yup a lake of diesel/water. Wouldn't burn and since diesel attracts water, well, they just gave it all it wanted.
Now the cool part
To reclaim the diesel, they ran it through a centrifuge. Water is heavier and got thrown off leaving freshly cleaned fuel. Then the water was filtered and used for washing, drinking, squirting your buddies and throwing on the cats!
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 14, 2015, 08:05:19 PM
thats amazing.....nowadays the EPA and tree huggers would riot
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Post by: Sammconn on July 14, 2015, 11:26:02 PM
This is day three? with no updates...hope all is well.

I hope this doesn't mean an errant .22 went off!
I've been busy at the cabin, new outhouse going up, and sauna finishing up.
Will post em up in the next week if I get them done, if not progress report will be made.

Might as well throw in a weather report while I'm junking up the thread.
46 tonight, mid 60's for rest of week touching 70 on Thursday.
Had a few days of heat to get the d@!m bugs lit right up, fogging two or three times daily.
Fire weather is severe again this year. None nearby us at the moment, but our neighbours is Saskatchewan are burning something fierce. Got a few buddies in the thick of it protecting what's saveable, thoughts and prayers to them. It's quite bad for a few communities.

Can't wait to see some updates on square D! Like how it's turning out so far.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 08:14:49 AM
Well, it's been a busy few days. Andreas funeral took almost all day

Had to get the pre-rangers ready for summer camp and do some things with them before that.

Had unbelievable weather the past few days...violent thunder storms. Woke up yesterday with a neighbors trampoline in my front yard, well, what was left of it. Some metal tubes were torn into three pieces! The rain and storms were in and out yesterday all day and I really couldn't work, plus the heat and humidity are really bad.

Heat and humidity won't stop me, but combined with horizontal rain and trying to weld with a 220VAC line, well, I thought I do otherwise.

What I did do is to work on a church's security plan. I finished that yesterday and will present tonight. So work is getting done, just not on the squareness.
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on July 15, 2015, 09:00:46 AM
Glad the weather didn't treat you too bad.  Look forward to seeing some updates. 
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Post by: Sammconn on July 15, 2015, 10:13:59 AM
I knew there was concurrent activities ongoing.
Glad to hear you weathered the weather, completely get that.
Had lightning take the pole top transformer out one summer on the farm.
Stopped welding on a trailer to take a break as a small storm cell moved in. Lit the pole right up.
Was glad to be watching not working.

Look forward to progress once life gets out of your way again.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 06:59:57 PM
OK, got that tire carrier to work today!

Yep, really works with just some fussing when the tire meets the carrier and all that stuff is facing downward and you are having to align 100+ pound things using braille!

So this is the winch I selected. A nice little unit from Harbor Freight which was something around $25. This one because I wanted to run the nylon strap in lieu of cable and pulleys
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:00:54 PM
It will route someway to eventually come out here
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:02:11 PM
I cut the hook down to a nub, then drilled a 3/8" hole into what was left
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:03:29 PM
This simple bar with two studs will capture the wheel and be the lifting "Hook"
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:04:18 PM
I tabbed it for a double shear
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:05:37 PM
Next I created a mounting plate for the hand winch out of .250" plate and drilled it for 3/8" bolts
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:07:01 PM
Then I added two "feet" to mount directly to the steel bar cross tube
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:08:17 PM
After marking about where the tire would rest, I welded in the winch mount allowing room for the hand crank and a couple sizes larger tire should that ever happen.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:11:16 PM
This gives the strap a direct shot to the back of the tire mount, but that strap will have to make a 90 degree turn. For now, I simply created this simple mount to capture a piece of PVC so that the nylon would run against something plastic and relatively friction free

The hose clamp threaded through the steel section holds the PVC very securely
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:12:45 PM
That piece was welded on top of the "V" which lies directly behind the center of the wheel mount

Here you can see how it all lies
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:14:08 PM
That hand crank picks up that tire with little problem
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:15:58 PM
Once it gets close its a simple matter to just push the tire home or winch it there then engage the latch and tighten it down
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:17:45 PM
The angle is about right and it's high enough to stay out of stuff I might catch on a severe departure angle.

The bump stops are doing their job as well.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:19:47 PM
The latch clears nicely and if you wanted to get sneaky, just thread a nut onto this stud, not visible from the front and that tire/wheel is not coming off unless the thief is smarter than most are and is very determined
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:21:17 PM
I'm using one of my tractor clips to retain the handle. I could pull the pin and store the handle and again, you'd have quite the problem hefting all that off the rack!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:22:41 PM
Some different angles of the setup
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:25:33 PM
OK from the department of redundancy department, department, I wanted to pin the legs in a locked upright position to take all the load off that latch and make jumping canyons a safer venture

Using .250" angle, I started with a 3/8" hole for now, but final hole diameter will depend on the size pin I pickup over at the tractor store
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:27:06 PM
Once welding those to the gate, I punched the corresponding holes into the swing-down tire carrier
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:28:04 PM
I did both sides for redundant redundancy.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:30:22 PM
I think I'm going to bevel those carrier mounts and wrap then with a layer of steel as well

A couple/few water cans will be fitted right here. I think I'll just get lazy here and weld the water cans right onto the tailgate, heck, no one would expect that!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:32:04 PM
OHHH, that tail gate drooped quite a bit!

Yikes

Guess I'm going to have to reinforce the curved part some...can't have things moving about!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
Red dog is still upset about getting power washed.

Good! Maybe the thing will run off and torment someone else!

I think all this rain caused my mulch pile to grow again...I think I'm back up to 10 yards!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 15, 2015, 07:45:14 PM
Nice work- could flare your PVC with some heat and your gloved hand n save on strap wear?
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Post by: KensAuto on July 15, 2015, 10:01:30 PM
Nice, and very original.
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Post by: Sammconn on July 15, 2015, 10:39:25 PM
Fantastic! With the redundant redundant bolts, a nut or two, a removed handle and the latch, you'd need to have more than your everyday thief to make off with the tire.
The winch seems to work well and that will make handling the spare a simple one person job instead of two grunts and a monkey.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 15, 2015, 10:58:13 PM
Nice work- could flare your PVC with some heat and your gloved hand n save on strap wear?
Mikey,

You were reading my mind!

Going to do exactly that after I look over the PVC joints at the local SLOWES
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Post by: Higher Caliber on July 16, 2015, 03:04:04 AM
Why can't the winch go on the passengers side of the rack, somewhere on the curve so it doesn't interfere with the gas cans and other gear?


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Post by: JR on July 16, 2015, 03:05:17 AM
I really like the idea and out of the box thinking.

Or just make a roller from PVC? 
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Post by: Dustoff35 on July 16, 2015, 06:17:38 AM
You could also buy a boat-trailer roller from a boat supply house, Bass Pro in Cinci has a boat hardware section or any of the local marinas or online...
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 16, 2015, 11:13:08 AM
Why can't the winch go on the passengers side of the rack, somewhere on the curve so it doesn't interfere with the gas cans and other gear?


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It just can't! ;-)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 16, 2015, 11:17:09 AM
You could also buy a boat-trailer roller from a boat supply house, Bass Pro in Cinci has a boat hardware section or any of the local marinas or online...
That's a great idea!

Just checked that out

I think one of those "V" shaped "Yates" rollers on a 1/2" axle would work nicely

Guess I'm not done!
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Post by: Wilbur on July 17, 2015, 01:39:58 PM
Don- having just read an interesting article on shock damping and the tuning of shocks for off-road I realized I hadn't seen exactly what shocks you put into SD. I couldn't seem to find anything either through the search function in the thread(s) (I saw the brackets but not specifically which shocks you used). I was thinking given all the suspension changes you have made and the weight of SD it would be hard to know exactly what shock would be best no? Did you go with adjustable ones? Again, thinking that some of this may end up being trial and error to get it tuned correctly for full payload, where you want to travel and how fast you want to go. Anyhoo....just curious.

Here was the article which (at least for a novice like me on this subject) I found pretty interesting:

http://www.offroadxtreme.com/engine-tech/brakes-suspension/inside-shock-tuning-how-it-works/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=inside-shock-tuning-how-it-works

hopefully not considered DOT ha

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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
I am just using some Nitro Rancho shocks at the moment. Some very long ones set up for a 3/4 ton Dodge with a 8" lift.

It is going to be trial and error. There is a lot of things to get sorted and while that is happening I'll start to get into shocks. What I have is fine, however, not what I want which are some custom King 2.5" units front and back with remote reservoirs and very long travel.

After I stick in two more leaves up front and install the late model Silverado rear springs, I'll be much closer to a functional system. That will give me ride height and stuff/droop out measurements, but really I need to drive it some to see what's going on if anything.

The truck is going to be a world apart from a stock Dodge. Much stiffening of the frame, more cross members, springs that are 4" longer and 14" longer than stock. The addition of front and rear sway bars. The relocation of the actual shock mounts and angle change, the anti-torque bar and a lot more weight with significant weight out back. All of this mixes up the pot of dynamics, so who knows what right now?
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 07:58:39 PM
Was working on the water can carrier today in the sweltering heat. I was dripping wet all day even with a fan pushing a breeze in the shop.

Anyway I chose three suitable victims to build around

Cleaned the shotgun while I was playing with the cans
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:00:27 PM
Sensitive to adding gobs of weight, I will be using 16 gage for this carrier. But I will be doing something special to the panels to strengthen them

Here's the bottom and the start of many lightening holes
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:01:40 PM
Next up, the front and back halo panels
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:02:24 PM
Here's the one on the Chevy which I will approximate here on the Dodge
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:03:58 PM
I'm going to press in flares into the lightening holes to stiffen the panel a bunch

Here is the dimple die I will be using along with a 30 ton press
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:05:32 PM
Those are pricey little tools right there, but they do a pretty good job.

Here is the first side panel with 5ea holes which have been pressed into the "Dimple"
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:06:59 PM
That stiffened up that panel so much, I could barely flex it at all, when I could play it like a hand saw blade before the dimple operation

Here's the parts shaping up for the can carrier
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
Next I did the dimple treatment on the carrier bottom. There are 12 new holes there:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:10:27 PM
That sucker stiffened right up as well.

Ashamed we can't do a similar operation to new Army privates!

Next I carefully assembled the upper halo using the 3/16" strap and bending it to be close. Turns out I got it a bit too close!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:11:28 PM
Next these three parts got clamped up and tack welded together
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:12:24 PM
And before you knew it, all those parts became one!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:13:57 PM
Then the basic part got 4 3/16" uprights to box it all in and finish off the corners
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:16:25 PM
To save weight, this carrier will weld directly to the two 3/4" sections you see here.

I purposely angled them inward a bit to keep the departure angles friendly and keep bouncy cans where they belong
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:17:39 PM
Here the carrier is welded to the uprights. This is permanent
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:18:47 PM
I added this side brace in on the spare tire side

The winch handle clears all, but to use it you will have to remove the water cans first
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:19:33 PM
And with the very snug fitting cans
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:20:55 PM
Some more angles
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 17, 2015, 08:21:49 PM
And that is all there is for build day 281
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Post by: Sammconn on July 17, 2015, 11:41:06 PM
Looks really good Don. Did you get the sag out that had happened with the weight of the spare? I know you had mentioned it, and now the holes to shave weight. Or is it going to be a fact of life with the swing gate, and it will be secure and straight on its base in the closed position.
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Post by: JR on July 18, 2015, 12:46:49 AM
Did those dies come from Bonny or custom made?

I sure like em, nice work.
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Post by: Wilbur on July 18, 2015, 01:38:41 AM
Looks really great. Could you remove the winch handle and use an extension or drill to lower the tire so you wouldn't have to remove the cans?
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Post by: akraven on July 18, 2015, 01:47:09 AM
Those dimple dies look really good as well as helping stiffen that up. I too would be curious where you got them.
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Post by: Pulley on July 18, 2015, 02:21:50 AM
I never thought about using a dimple press to strengthen metal like. Bumper is looking great.
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Post by: akraven on July 18, 2015, 02:38:41 AM
Looks really great. Could you remove the winch handle and use an extension or drill to lower the tire so you wouldn't have to remove the cans?
Good thought. I just made an adapter for my friends trailer tongue jack that he uses with the battery powered impact wrench he carries. Works great and saves alot of cranking. It is removable if he for some reason doesn't have the wrench and can use the original handle.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2015, 08:32:07 AM
Did those dies come from Bonny or custom made?

I sure like em, nice work.
Fred,

Some guy down in the Texas who is no longer in business. I got 4 different sizes for around $100 maybe 8 years ago.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2015, 08:36:07 AM
Looks really good Don. Did you get the sag out that had happened with the weight of the spare? I know you had mentioned it, and now the holes to shave weight. Or is it going to be a fact of life with the swing gate, and it will be secure and straight on its base in the closed position.
Haven't worked on it

But here's what I'm thinking:

I need to reinforce the 90 degree bend part of that gate. All the droop is happening right there

What I'm thinking is something like a 3" tall rib of .250 welded on the top of the top bar and the bottom of the lower one and start there. Afterward, see what is going on and go from there
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2015, 08:38:17 AM
Looks really great. Could you remove the winch handle and use an extension or drill to lower the tire so you wouldn't have to remove the cans?

I could probably do either of those options, but it's simple enough to just pull a can or two
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2015, 08:40:29 AM
Those dimple dies look really good as well as helping stiffen that up. I too would be curious where you got them.
Trick tools sells them now, but EXPENSIVE
I'd do a search. I remember a man in the Canada who was making them out of mild steel. They would be good for light gage and not last forever, but perfect in my view for a hobbyist
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2015, 08:48:45 AM
Looks really great. Could you remove the winch handle and use an extension or drill to lower the tire so you wouldn't have to remove the cans?
Good thought. I just made an adapter for my friends trailer tongue jack that he uses with the battery powered impact wrench he carries. Works great and saves alot of cranking. It is removable if he for some reason doesn't have the wrench and can use the original handle.
Hmmm, first Massachusetts, now Alaska on the screwdriver/impact idea

Funny how things work out, let me explain

Wednesday I ordered a 20V Porter-Cable screwdriver-impact set. This COP place sells factory reconditioned tools. It's where I got the Bosch tool boxes from. They had the really good PC 20V set for $99, so I snapped them up. I plan to weld a socket to a steel bar someplace and plug the impact into it and secure it with a bungee...Now you boneheads are all suggesting I use one

Hmmm...Providence perhaps???
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 18, 2015, 09:03:48 AM
Don, of all the things you have made so far, I like the can carrier best.  That is some slick stuff right there.  Amazing, really, considering all the stuff I've heard about you Army guys...
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 18, 2015, 10:28:21 AM
The total package of the back of your truck looks awesome Don‼️
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Post by: duramaxdarren on July 18, 2015, 02:14:46 PM
i was thinking you would most certainly want to be able to change a tire with speed. not safe to be out there exposed for any length of time giving someone time to do not nice thing. a extension rod that couples on to extend past the rack like a ratchet extension that can accept either a hand crank or slam a cordless drill on it with be best of both worlds. have a little tall thin sleeve with a cap on the side of the rack to house the extension pieces to eliminate the search for them would be best i think
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 18, 2015, 02:21:46 PM
i was thinking you would most certainly want to be able to change a tire with speed. not safe to be out there exposed for any length of time giving someone time to do not nice thing. a extension rod that couples on to extend past the rack like a ratchet extension that can accept either a hand crank or slam a cordless drill on it with be best of both worlds. have a little tall thin sleeve with a cap on the side of the rack to house the extension pieces to eliminate the search for them would be best i think

OR- unbolt spare and cut nylon strap flopping tire to ground, put on spare and ditty mau leaving jack, flat etc. where it lays.........⭐️⭐️⭐️
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Post by: JR on July 18, 2015, 03:45:03 PM
Ebay has lots of em;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dimple-Die-set-B-1-25-1-5-1-75-Fabrication-Tool-Offroad-4x4-Prerunner-Hot-Rod-/111703688889?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1a020f06b9
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2015, 06:27:45 PM
The total package of the back of your truck looks awesome Don‼️
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
i was thinking you would most certainly want to be able to change a tire with speed. not safe to be out there exposed for any length of time giving someone time to do not nice thing. a extension rod that couples on to extend past the rack like a ratchet extension that can accept either a hand crank or slam a cordless drill on it with be best of both worlds. have a little tall thin sleeve with a cap on the side of the rack to house the extension pieces to eliminate the search for them would be best i think
Ya know, that makes sense to me
Extended crank, coming up
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Post by: cruizng on July 20, 2015, 03:04:43 PM
Looking good Don! Great work. It is all tying together nicely.

If anyone is looking for dimple dies I have purchased a few things from Swag Offroad and they have been very good.

Not sure if $400.00 is too steep but here they are.

http://www.swagoffroad.com/SWAG-Pipe-Dimple-Dies-5-Piece-Set-_p_112.html

I am however surprised that the DOT S.I.U chatter has subsided.  8)
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Post by: Armalite on July 20, 2015, 03:28:11 PM
DOT chatter eh??? 

Better not....

Looking good Don.  Nice progress and very creative thought! 

Keep it up...

And I agree with the extension and portable impact for the winch...  We did the same setup on a manual crank gooseneck trailer.  Use a portable 1/2" impact.  Works very well.   8)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 20, 2015, 08:32:19 PM
DOT chatter eh??? 

And I agree with the extension and portable impact for the winch...  We did the same setup on a manual crank gooseneck trailer.  Use a portable 1/2" impact.  Works very well.   8)
Yep,

Concur

Heard it from enough smart guys to get the hint!
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Post by: rpar86 on July 21, 2015, 05:09:08 PM
Hey Don, Long time lurker, first time SquareD poster...

I had a thought regarding the spare tire winch. Suppose your drill battery is dead: Sure you could pull the water cans out and use the crank, but what about mounting the winch 180* so you throw open the rear gate and crank the tire down from the backside of the winch. No need to fuss with a drill/extension, just flip a couple gate latches to get to it. May save precious time in a hairy situation - especially if the drill battery is dead and you have to go to "plan 2" and pull the water cans and dig out the handle (which I'm sure will be conveniently located in an easy to access location in the rear of the bed).

Now, I suppose you could also fabricate something so the handle could be used front or back. One negative I see to this is that the gate would be free to sway as you're raising/lowering that mammoth tire - maybe a pin to lock the gate open at a 45* and 90* angle - like positive stops on a miter saw.

My fabrication skill are non-existent compared to yours, so take my $.02 as you will.  :)

-Ryan
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Post by: Nate on July 21, 2015, 06:00:23 PM
now that is a good thought ryan
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 21, 2015, 07:48:25 PM
Here is another thought.  If you've ever been to a beach house that had storm shutter on the outside, they often have these hand cranks on the inside that are straight but have joints in them to create a crank by moving two of the joints at 90 degrees  to each other.  By permanently affixing the crank to the winch , you could have it at the ready, deploy qucikly and probably as fast as a drill when you consider the time it takes to extract the drill and get it on the winch.

(http://img.next-doors.net/upload/product_img/20140919/curtain_accessories_for_hand_crank_for_Rolling.jpg)

I'll keep searching for a better picture.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 21, 2015, 07:49:54 PM
(http://www.pekarollshutters.com/Spring.jpg)
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 21, 2015, 07:51:12 PM
The have a universal joint at the connection to the winch and and the two joints that turn the straight rod into the crank.
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Post by: KensAuto on July 21, 2015, 09:04:21 PM
Awesome job on the dimpoling....dimple dying....di...

Dangit, good job on the can carrier is what I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 21, 2015, 10:22:39 PM
You boneheads crack me up!

OK, Ryan, the mount is done bro, not going to mess with that any more. But not to fear, I thought about it and having a longer handle, and now the contraption Red Neck just came up with makes a bunch of sense.

I think I'll just make up a handle with the joints in it, long enough to clear the cans and Velcro strap retain it in the CTRP (Close to ready position)  ;)

Dr, Ken, you liking them thar dimples? I like em' better on ladies than on can racks, but they are workin' on that steel pretty good me thinks!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on July 22, 2015, 04:51:43 AM
don, you know as well as all of us. gotta go with what your comfortable with, after all its you who'll be using it. loving the progress as usual. soldier on my friend
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on July 22, 2015, 11:13:20 AM
Just to throw one more option out there, eliminating the "handle in the way" scenario, why not get a tire iron or extra trailer scissor jack bar like this< http://www.etrailer.com/Accessories-and-Parts/Redline/BAL-24033.html and weld a lug nut to the center of the crank? not sure how difficult it would be given the weight of the spare assembly and reducing leverage, but it would potentially be a faster way down at least.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 01:02:38 PM
Man I build a 600 HP motor and get 4 replies.

Make a handle too short and we have everyone piping in!!

TWTD (The ways of the DOT!) ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on July 22, 2015, 01:24:33 PM
The motor seems to have no possible adjustments, (other than running) ;) The fabrication part gets our collective creative juices going.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rpar86 on July 22, 2015, 01:49:26 PM
Just to throw one more option out there, eliminating the "handle in the way" scenario, why not get a tire iron or extra trailer scissor jack bar like this< http://www.etrailer.com/Accessories-and-Parts/Redline/BAL-24033.html and weld a lug nut to the center of the crank? not sure how difficult it would be given the weight of the spare assembly and reducing leverage, but it would potentially be a faster way down at least.

Now that's an even better idea! Use the same size lugnut as the wheels and now you only have one tool to lug around (see what I did there?) ;)

Though, I'm not sure the bar Tate found would be strong enough to break the lugs on those wheels though. What do you have those torqued to, 60-jigatons? Or the German equivalent - "Gud'n'tite"?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on July 22, 2015, 02:22:04 PM
Man I build a 600 HP motor and get 4 replies.

But you installed it, someone else built it.. You deprived the DOTs of build thread substance. SO now we pile on even the most minute of details.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Higher Caliber on July 22, 2015, 06:02:02 PM
Bobby just said, "you didn't build that"

Yikes!!


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on July 22, 2015, 08:21:11 PM
think im gonna stay off the forum for a tic or two....doesnt seem safe now
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 22, 2015, 08:55:00 PM
Man I build a 600 HP motor and get 4 replies.

Make a handle too short and we have everyone piping in!!

TWTD (The ways of the DOT!) ;)


Let us parse that statement...

Man I build a 600 HP motor
Allegedly...as has been pointed out, more accurately. "I subcontracted a build of a motor"  As for the HP, that pre-supposes that it has been or will run..
and get 4 replies.

Perhaps a slight exaggeration

Make a handle too short and we have everyone piping in!!

again perhaps an exaggeration however keep in mind when you posted the motor here there were like 4 of us signed up.  So it is a good thing.  Mucho more people on the site to give their opinions, which I believe you have solicited as part of your build.
TWTD (The ways of the DOT!) ;)

Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.....what else did you expect, sir?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on July 22, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
are you scared Darren...............?!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:40:31 PM
Bobby just said, "you didn't build that"

Yikes!!


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Where did I hear that from before????

Some psychopath I believe
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:43:55 PM
So the first thing I wanted to do was to punch out those 3/8" holes to some respectful 5/8" ones for some larger retention pins.

Plus I got to try out the new 20V drill
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:45:22 PM
Standard implement retention pins work fine for this application
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:47:00 PM
After that was tucked in, I went after the tire winch crank everyone is all amped up over.

I selected a length of 1" tubing and welded a 15mm socket into it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:48:51 PM
Then I drilled the other end to match the existing hole in the original hand crank. A single 1/4" bolt retains the handle into the extension. I have the option of removing the bolt and using the hand crank as supplied if need be
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 22, 2015, 10:49:57 PM
You don't have the "remove before flight" tag on the implement pin!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:50:56 PM
I'll slip a piece of PVC loosely over the extension to act as a grab surface to finish the handle off.

The can box shrank somehow (Welding heat??) so I split it and opened it up a bit. Now the cans can actually be removed without a crane!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:51:27 PM
You don't have the "remove before flight" tag on the implement pin!
Fight or flight??

I choose the former!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
Next, I wanted to store the crank handle right there, so we will, using these two little sections of tubing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:53:47 PM
The piece with the hole gets a 3/8" through bolt to keep the crank from slipping through, and the sections were welded onto the frame and can carrier
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:54:55 PM
Resulting in this:

The handle will be secured by a piece of Velcro tape later on after painting
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:56:30 PM
We still have a couple more projects left for this bumper thing, but that will wait at least today. I wanted to finish off the limb riser I started with the front bumper tubing.

Here's the hardware I'll be using
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 10:58:11 PM
Using a stainless 5/16" eye bolt and a 6" pretty stout spring and some 3/16" aircraft cable, the thing takes shape
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dawg25385 on July 22, 2015, 11:00:03 PM
Looking good boss


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 11:00:21 PM
The spring allows for some movement while keeping things nicely snugged up at all times. The cable ties the cab onto the bumper, so if the cab breaks off I will not lose it!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 11:02:15 PM
Looks like I am 50% for success. I'll have to relocate the left side forward mount to allow me to open the hood
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 22, 2015, 11:03:14 PM
And that is that for build day two hundred eighty something
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on July 23, 2015, 11:53:51 AM
Crank handle looks good, stowage looks good too.
The whole package is looking great!

Can't believe there has been no DOT activity for over 12 hours...hmm.

Looks like the red dog has taken to the gas bottle cap for a new chew toy. Should probably get it before it becomes a hide and seek mission.

Too bad on the front sweeper mount. Cut, clean, reweld, grind, and repaint.
All because of a couple inches. That's how it goes though, and once you're done no one will ever know, well no one other than all of us.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on July 23, 2015, 12:29:26 PM
Well done. it's almost as though the hood is in the way of the sweeper, not the other way around. The eye on the brush guard looks evenly spaced. your camera is mind screwing us. I say move the hood;-)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 23, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
Well done. it's almost as though the hood is in the way of the sweeper, not the other way around. The eye on the brush guard looks evenly spaced. your camera is mind screwing us. I say move the hood;-)
OK, move the hood it is!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on July 23, 2015, 01:46:23 PM
Move or remove! I say remove...it should be good for 38 horses!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: husker77c on July 23, 2015, 02:43:59 PM
Limb risers are so freakin cool  8)

I remember reading 4wheel and off road when I was a kid and seeing the Camel Trophy Land Rovers with them.   
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on July 24, 2015, 01:36:35 AM
Can't believe there has been no DOT activity for over 12 hours...hmm.


Well, I was gone for the last 3 days but I see you guys filled in good for "TWDT"

Very nice work, shrinkage and handle!!

On the extension, use an implement pin vs a 1/4 bolt, no tools to find,,,,,,,

Limb risers only go to the lower rack? Is that to push very large branches into the aircleaner and rack? I do like the spring unloader though, could those help do away with the turnbuckles?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 11:50:58 AM
Can't believe there has been no DOT activity for over 12 hours...hmm.


Well, I was gone for the last 3 days but I see you guys filled in good for "TWDT"

Very nice work, shrinkage and handle!!

On the extension, use an implement pin vs a 1/4 bolt, no tools to find,,,,,,,

Limb risers only go to the lower rack? Is that to push very large branches into the aircleaner and rack? I do like the spring unloader though, could those help do away with the turnbuckles?

OK, 1/4" implement pin coming right up...Good idea!

Yup, limb riser to the lower rack...Errr...miscalculation on my part, will need to fix that

Spring and turn buckle is the right way. Too difficult to set spring tension otherwise.
BTW a mini tornado ripped through our neighborhood destroying umbrellas and trampolines. I now have 17,000 trampoline springs in my front and back yard (and on the roof, and the flower beds and...) scattered all over. SO I have a slightly stronger more robust spring to play with for LRI2 (Limb riser Iteration two)
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Post by: Sammconn on July 24, 2015, 01:41:44 PM
Yikes, no big issues at su casa I hope.
The trampoline springs are very stout, and if you have a collection of them they will be well suited. They have great strength and do take a beating. Should work good in round two.

We had a very wicked cell come over last night. If I didn't know better I'd have been looking for rotation. Not something we normally get, and there was none, but got me thinking that I have nowhere at the cabin to hunker down...
Maybe time for a bunker now too.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 01:44:30 PM
Yikes, no big issues at su casa I hope.
The trampoline springs are very stout, and if you have a collection of them they will be well suited. They have great strength and do take a beating. Should work good in round two.

We had a very wicked cell come over last night. If I didn't know better I'd have been looking for rotation. Not something we normally get, and there was none, but got me thinking that I have nowhere at the cabin to hunker down...
Maybe time for a bunker now too.
Definitely need to go subterranean!

No big damage, just the things I mentioned and the normal collection of tree branches

Heck all my stuff is armored up and beggin' for a beatin'!
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Post by: Sammconn on July 24, 2015, 01:49:57 PM
Yeah, this cell got my attention. I drove long haul 20 ish years ago, seen all kinds of ugly storms. Been chased by little twisters more than I care to remember. Had to outrun probably an F3 on day, glad the truck had no governor and could do 100+, cause I used all of it.

So I know the storms, but we 'used' to be a couple parallels North of the good ones. With the weather doing what it's doing the past few years, I'm not so sure anymore.
Will have to consider it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on July 24, 2015, 04:08:28 PM
Heck, we are just burning down here. Was just a few miles away last week, not close now but hard to fight in the hills.
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Post by: OldKooT on July 24, 2015, 04:31:20 PM
Glad everyone got through the storm well enough Don.  As for running from twisters, up here in Tornado alley we chase them, bigger the better. (anything under a F3 is considered just practice) It's a pleasant 95 degrees here with T storms forecast for this evening. The corn loves this heat, just 34 days to harvest.

Square D looks good, still not running huh?

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Post by: JR on July 24, 2015, 04:51:47 PM
Been busy farming Norm? Saw a couple funnels down south when I did some real manual labor. Twisted up some pipes really good!!
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Post by: akraven on July 24, 2015, 05:28:56 PM
It's a pleasant 95 degrees here with T storms forecast for this evening.

95 degrees is never pleasant just survivable. ;)
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Post by: Sammconn on July 24, 2015, 05:37:18 PM
It's a pleasant 95 degrees here with T storms forecast for this evening.

95 degrees is never pleasant just survivable. ;)
95 yuck. Survivable I suppose. I live up north for a reason I guess.
Anything over about 85 is my comfort limit.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:31:16 PM
OK, only have a little bit then have to dity-mau to church

I'll see what I can get posted up before the toureg turns into a pumpkin!

The FedEx guy showed and this was onboard:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:34:07 PM
The pintle here is a non moving type. I thought I'd test it with the Armee trailer on C-Max to see if I could adapt it for this truck.

First thing, I didn't like how it stuck way out the back so using a 41/64" drill bit I corrected that

With the tighter tolerance hole it doesn't move around as much
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:34:58 PM
My first desert tan water can...two more enroute
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:36:04 PM
OK so all those parts fitted well, on to bigger things
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:37:54 PM
Next up, I need to address this lack of torsional rigidity of the tailgate. If I left the tubes straight I wouldn't have that, but with the way I bent them for clearance, they are bending up pretty easily, especially with the weight of that spare up there
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:39:03 PM
So the concept of the operation is to first weld in a girdle near the mounts to try to get them stiffer...That worked!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:41:04 PM
Next I wanted to weld in a rib on the top and bottom to stiffen it even more. Here is how I did that, taking a straight piece of tubing and sawing a bunch of slits into one side then folding it until everything touched again
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:41:55 PM
Lots of welding and grinding there:
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:43:18 PM
Next, I'll be adding in a Hi-Lift jack plate starting with this lower stop
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:45:55 PM
With two holes already drilled in the plate from a former project, I made up two new 1/2" studs, drilling them first for 1/8" clips
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:47:04 PM
Those bolts were welded up to the top plate. I'll use a simple bungee for the bottom
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:49:30 PM
And momma showed up with some Chick-Fi-Lay right about here, so work came to a screamin' finger lickin' screetchin' hault!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
Just three more things to add to this bumper project then it's grindin' and paintin' time!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on July 24, 2015, 09:20:04 PM
I was noticing the patina that has started on the bumper.  ::)

I really like those new water cans. They work well and even take freezing well. We use those on the land when we're out and hold up quite well to the beatings and abuse of riding in sleighs and trailers.

I'd guess the bracing you added stiffened up the gate significantly.
It's going to be a project to liner this bumper.

Looks great!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 24, 2015, 10:31:39 PM
I was noticing the patina that has started on the bumper.  ::)

I really like those new water cans. They work well and even take freezing well. We use those on the land when we're out and hold up quite well to the beatings and abuse of riding in sleighs and trailers.

I'd guess the bracing you added stiffened up the gate significantly.
It's going to be a project to liner this bumper.

Looks great!
I have days worth of grinding to do first!

I wanted to start the folding table!

The back side of the gate is going to get a fold down table so you can open the tail gate then fold down the table surface. Will have a cutout for a wash basin and maybe a cook top...maybe

The gate is going to get a couple legs that store when in the carry position, then fold out when at "Camp" to keep my table still.

Then the left side of the underside of the bumper is going to get some pull out steps that stow and pin in a travel position. After that, I'll grind it down, finish the left corner, then pull it to cut out for the new backup lights and finally add a skirt to the bottom like I did up front.

Following all of that, it will get blasted and painted like the front.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on July 25, 2015, 12:56:41 AM
Just three more things to add to this bumper project then it's grindin' and paintin' time!

1) Kitchen Sink

2) Hot Water Heater

3)Umbrella

A Step, why would you need a step!!!

That HL pad is nice, but is an easy target secured like that
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Post by: EL TATE on July 25, 2015, 03:56:41 AM
Isn't there space between the HL mount and the fender to lock that Bigfoot in place where it's not a target? JR'S thinkin' like a cop again has gotten me thinking like a cop's grandson.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 25, 2015, 11:12:01 AM
I think it's prudy right where it is!  ;)

Kind of like a tactical flower!
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Post by: JR on July 25, 2015, 02:15:35 PM
Oh, its purdy there all right, kinda like a target.

"hit the big red X"  8)

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Post by: OldKooT on July 25, 2015, 02:34:51 PM
May I suggest instead of relocating the plastic gizmo for the high lift, just spray paint it? Not sure why you all worry about being shot in the tailgate area honestly  :D If I wanted to stop a Dodge with small arms fire I'd just use the upper DS quadrant of the topper window as a starting point and stitch down accordingly. If I am at enough of a distance to require a glowing orange target, it's safe to assume I also have fine optics, and it's not likely I'd again be aiming in that area.

Bottom line, while being shot at, a pickup isn't a great place to be. A better approach would be some explosive bolts designed to drop the rear bumper if being pursued. THAT would cause some havoc.

I look forward Don to the cooking table portion of your build. I was thinking of something similar for Anvil since we will be camping out of it often. And I need to build a tire rack, no room for a spare anywhere else.
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Post by: JR on July 25, 2015, 03:40:38 PM

A better approach would be some explosive bolts designed to drop the rear bumper if being pursued. THAT would cause some havoc.

I look forward Don to the cooking table portion of your build. I was thinking of something similar for Anvil since we will be camping out of it often. And I need to build a tire rack, no room for a spare anywhere else.

I like both of these ideas.
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 25, 2015, 04:06:22 PM
The hardware store was out of explosive 1/2" and 9/16" sizes! Darn! 8) ;)
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Post by: OldKooT on July 25, 2015, 07:08:55 PM
I hate when local stores don't stock what we need. But check these out....I sent a email regarding availability and cost.

http://www.hstc.com/Products/OrdnanceProducts/SepBolts/
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Post by: Wilbur on July 25, 2015, 07:38:03 PM
As an idea for the fold down table I understand the legs to provide support for in camp when youll likely have more stuff on it. But you might also find that for simple on the go meals some aircraft cable to hold the table in place would work if you're just doing a quick stop. Faster to deploy etc.
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Post by: wilsonphil on July 25, 2015, 07:53:42 PM
I hate when local stores don't stock what we need. But check these out....I sent a email regarding availability and cost.

http://www.hstc.com/Products/OrdnanceProducts/SepBolts/

Hey Norm,

Most likely won't sell them to you, the way things are now unless you have a big government contract they won't even talk to you.  But it never hurts to ask.  And a hand full should only cost you a few years pay!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 25, 2015, 11:08:18 PM
As an idea for the fold down table I understand the legs to provide support for in camp when youll likely have more stuff on it. But you might also find that for simple on the go meals some aircraft cable to hold the table in place would work if you're just doing a quick stop. Faster to deploy etc.
The table will be supported by cables.
The legs are for the tail gate, spare tire and can holder thing. It droops under a load, the leg will support and stabilize it
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Post by: cudakidd53 on July 26, 2015, 04:01:55 PM
For your sink area, you could invert one of your water tanks, swung out in the rack, with some type of FuMoto valve for water.  Looking good Don!
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Post by: JR on July 26, 2015, 06:29:27 PM
I hate when local stores don't stock what we need. But check these out....I sent a email regarding availability and cost.

http://www.hstc.com/Products/OrdnanceProducts/SepBolts/

Hey Norm,

Most likely won't sell them to you, the way things are now unless you have a big government contract they won't even talk to you.  But it never hurts to ask.  And a hand full should only cost you a few years pay!

They make a lot of those about 20 miles form here. Used to take reports on the accidents,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

They would detonate the "BAD" stuff evey now and then, made a nice cloud.

Sat through a civil cause where an employee used some of the primary to remove an eye. Some one left 2 trays on the counter, she rushes in, stacks one on the other and pulls it across the counter towards her. No safety gear on at all and boom. Lucky she just lost an eye, darwin was trying!! Ohh, and she won about 6 mill out of it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on July 27, 2015, 06:22:59 PM
I think it's prudy right where it is!  ;)

Kind of like a tactical flower!

to heck with it then, just pack it full of tannerite and wait for the fun;)
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:32:56 PM
You people have a violent side!

(Which I like)

OK let's get this table thing building

It starts here with, you guessed it...A piece of wood!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:37:11 PM
But before we get to that, the brown truck brought me some surbible schstuff.

I ordered 2 space blankets, but got two 10 packs of space blankets. Maybe break out a few for late fall football games!

Then this strange handle/hatchet/saw/knife/shovel thing.

Hey it was $13, how could I go wrong. I'll stow it somewhere
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:39:17 PM
The first part of this fold up table top is the base mount. I am using aluminum for this project to save weight
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:41:30 PM
And these nut-serts. I think a #10 fine thread screw will carry the load just fine and keep things neat. Using the setting tool I squeezed several of them in place in the bottom of the uprights
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:42:33 PM
And that piece of angle fits just fine
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:44:12 PM
Using some standard hinges, and more nut-serts those were screwed into place
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:46:14 PM
More of the thread inserts were fitted to the actual hinges so that I could run a screw through the board and into the hinge
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:48:14 PM
Then the two end pieces were made up

BTW, I am using 1/4" plywood reinforced with aluminum flat bar and angle and later will be covered with fiberglass cloth and polyester resin
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:50:08 PM
Then the hole for the wash basin was cut out and the bakelite plastic bowl fit in there like it should
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:52:46 PM
And now the strengthening begins. The top will get all manner of layers and reinforcements to make sure when one of the rangers decided to use this thing as a diving board, I'll still be able to shave and brush my tooth (I'm Kentuckian, so I expect to be down to a single tooth at some point...and I'll want to keep that sucker sparklin'!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 10:54:28 PM
The 1.5" aluminum straps are set in a heavy layer of resin, then top screwed into place. Then that operation was covered over with a fine weave fiberglass cloth which makes things stronger and berry, berry water proof.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: husker77c on July 27, 2015, 11:05:16 PM
Very nice.  I hate working with fiberglass but in some situations it's just what the dr ordered.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 11:09:26 PM
Very nice.  I hate working with fiberglass but in some situations it's just what the dr ordered.

I always get the sticky resin all over myself. Got it on my leg...Had a sweat bee digging in and I swatted him with the hand full of sticky stuff. Later I pulled the rugger gloves off and one of them managed to first hit my other hand, right before falling onto my foot. Got it on my ear (How did that happen?) and my sniper shirt/ Had one...sniper afghan shirt I purchased in Bagram, but since I'm no snapper, I guess I can lose the shirt!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2015, 11:10:36 PM
Oh, forgot, also got some on the black dog of deaf...on his nose! That was funny
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on July 28, 2015, 12:49:01 AM
Should have glassed the red dog.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: husker77c on July 28, 2015, 06:29:41 AM
Very nice.  I hate working with fiberglass but in some situations it's just what the dr ordered.

I always get the sticky resin all over myself. Got it on my leg...Had a sweat bee digging in and I swatted him with the hand full of sticky stuff. Later I pulled the rugger gloves off and one of them managed to first hit my other hand, right before falling onto my foot. Got it on my ear (How did that happen?) and my sniper shirt/ Had one...sniper afghan shirt I purchased in Bagram, but since I'm no snapper, I guess I can lose the shirt!

Exactly.  Resin spreads like wild fire if I'm lucky I limit it to my clothes and the hair on my wrists. Which then has to be shaved or ripped out.  I see you're using cloth which is soooo much better than the mat. That stuffs like house insulation. Itchy as all get out.  But you can do some really cool stuff with it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 10:35:02 AM
That was cloth layer numba hanna. Next I'll come back with a very heavy cloth, I want to say 40 oz. stuff! but just glass in patches here and there on the underside, well, you'll see...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 28, 2015, 11:08:00 AM

I am using aluminum for this project to save weight

Bwahhhh, weight savings !?


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 11:16:48 AM

I am using aluminum for this project to save weight

Bwahhhh, weight savings !?


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It's important!  ;)

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on July 28, 2015, 11:18:36 AM

I am using aluminum for this project to save weight

Bwahhhh, weight savings !?


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didnt we hear that with the tac topper?!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Wilbur on July 28, 2015, 11:44:02 AM
I'll still be able to shave and brush my tooth (I'm Kentuckian, so I expect to be down to a single tooth at some point...and I'll want to keep that sucker sparklin'!

a-HA!! So the toothbrush was invented in Kentucky!....Cause anywhere's else a-course it would've been called a teethbrush...

ba-dum-dum.  ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on July 28, 2015, 01:11:25 PM
On the subject of weight.... any idea Don where Square D is going to scale in? I got to looking, seems my 91.5 CTD pickup is about 5700lbs.

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Post by: rpar86 on July 28, 2015, 01:21:49 PM
Don, you may want to think about making that support leg adjustable so if you are parked on uneven terrain you can adjust it accordingly. Might even want to make the aircraft cables somewhat adjustable so you can let out, or take up, some slack to get the table semi-level so your water stays in the wash basin for when you're bwushin' yo' toof.
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Post by: EL TATE on July 28, 2015, 01:48:36 PM
Agreed. Made me think of the legs on an ez up with the little holes along the length and the spring loaded silver ball scenario.
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Post by: rpar86 on July 28, 2015, 02:23:06 PM
Precisely!  A simple clevis pin would do the trick, and I bet Don has a bunch of those.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 02:45:14 PM
On the subject of weight.... any idea Don where Square D is going to scale in? I got to looking, seems my 91.5 CTD pickup is about 5700lbs.


Normis,

It was in around 5850 stock
Front bumper/winch +350
Rear bumper spare and junk +550
Extra fuel +360
Roof rack business +150
Topper +300
Wheels and tires +300
Add'l crossmembers, traction bar, wires/cables/dust: +300
Extra battery and business + 100
Travelling tool kit and junk +200
Extra fuses + 2 ounces

Total = 8460 and 2 ounces
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 02:46:54 PM
Don, you may want to think about making that support leg adjustable so if you are parked on uneven terrain you can adjust it accordingly. Might even want to make the aircraft cables somewhat adjustable so you can let out, or take up, some slack to get the table semi-level so your water stays in the wash basin for when you're bwushin' yo' toof.

Got cha covered kimo-sabee
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on July 28, 2015, 04:33:53 PM
Where's the pink generator fit in to this project. :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: akraven on July 28, 2015, 05:09:18 PM
Does the door of the hatch clear the tire or are you going to have to drop the tire/open the rack to get into the rear of the truck? Just thinking of moving quick and wanting to throw something in the back quickly. I had a similar rack on my old Land cruiser and found it  a pain having to always open the rack to get inside. I ended up moving the tire onto the roof. Heavy but do-able by hand for the rare times you needed to do it. Heck at home I just lifted it up on top with the tractor. Just a thought.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:09:01 PM
Where's the pink generator fit in to this project. :)
It's about to fit in the trash can
Cheap Chinaman junk!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:10:24 PM
Does the door of the hatch clear the tire or are you going to have to drop the tire/open the rack to get into the rear of the truck? Just thinking of moving quick and wanting to throw something in the back quickly. I had a similar rack on my old Land cruiser and found it  a pain having to always open the rack to get inside. I ended up moving the tire onto the roof. Heavy but do-able by hand for the rare times you needed to do it. Heck at home I just lifted it up on top with the tractor. Just a thought.
Perhaps you missed it in the past when I talked about it, but the truck is going to lose the top hatch and the tailgate. I plan to build my own rear closure with a door and some other features.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:12:12 PM
Well, I did a lot of work today, but really didn't get much accomplished.

First up I scratched down the table piece in preparation for the heavier glass reinforcement.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:20:40 PM
The heat today was appalling. The dogs were trying to find a cool spot and the sled dog was having nothing to do with it. She was in a perpetual crash mode. She hardly opened her eyes. I heard the breed can slow their metabolism to cool them down...Must have been what she was doing.
The red dog growled at the older pre-ranger so I was about to stop her metabolism all together!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:22:56 PM
so I got the glass laid up on the folding top and set that off to the side to cure.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:25:31 PM
I took a drive over to the steel supplier and scored the materials to finish the skirt for the bottom of the bumper, build the steps, and build the tire rack parking stand

First up, I made up a washer affair that slides into some "C" channel material I found
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:30:30 PM
The step stringers are 2" X 2" X .083 which is plenty strong but fairly light as well.

Here are the two step stringers fitted to the sliding storage rails.

The idea is to create a step that folds up into the truck so I simply would need to pull it out and drop it to use.

I am encountering a problem, however. There is not much room between the rear battery mount and the spring. I would be left with a step barely 9" wide which seems way too small. If I go any wider, then the steps will stow below the lowest point of the trailer hitch. I feel that is unacceptable. Therefore I built the steps up to this point and have that on hold while I decide the best way to tackle that issue.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:32:34 PM
Needing a small victory here, I started on the tire gate support for long term parking in a static location

I thought I'm make up a simple stand that plugged into this hole and stored somewhere on the tailgate
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:34:05 PM
I flattened one side of some 1" round bar so that it created a "D" which could slide into the opening
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:35:14 PM
I'll be using a couple pieces of 1" square stock to create the legs
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:37:11 PM
To make that work I had to create a pivoting axle. I made it out of a 1/2" nut and 2ea 5/16" bolts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:38:54 PM
With a couple of homemade tabs, that was attached to the piece of 1" round bar
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:41:10 PM
The legs were prepared by drilling some 1/2" holes, installing a pivot bolt, and welding on some feet. Each foot is drilled to allow me to hammer a spike through it into the ground. I guess I can nail the truck down if I need to now!
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:43:14 PM
And just like that, the tail gator support was in the bag
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:43:53 PM
The dog woke up
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 28, 2015, 09:44:54 PM
And that's it for a V E R Y sweaty build day 285
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: akraven on July 29, 2015, 12:00:00 AM
Does the door of the hatch clear the tire or are you going to have to drop the tire/open the rack to get into the rear of the truck?
Perhaps you missed it in the past when I talked about it, but the truck is going to lose the top hatch and the tailgate. I plan to build my own rear closure with a door and some other features.

Oops sorry guess I missed that post.  I will review and report back to the class. :D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on July 29, 2015, 02:10:39 AM
I know what you mean Don, it was 107 here today. So nice to have pool!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 29, 2015, 08:07:07 AM
I know what you mean Don, it was 107 hear today. So nice to have pool!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think it's the heat so much, but the humidity. We were routinely above 110 in Kandahar, my outside theometer would display 128, of which I took a pic, so that is what I called "Felt heat" with the sun beating down on you, but we had no humidity. My flight suit at the end of the day when I took it off was like cardboard from all the body salts that came out of me and saturated it...but the sweat dried instantly (Providing some cooling)

But this humidity is nasty. You are soaked with sweat nearly all day long...that cold shower at night fall feels sooo nice!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on July 29, 2015, 02:48:20 PM
Yup, know about the humidity from playing in the lower deserts here. Maybe not quite as bad as you over there!

I used to wear a sleeveless sweatshirt when I worked in the fields near Hemet, the sweat cooled you so much. But high humidity felt worse when at the Salton sea.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 30, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Yup, know about the humidity from playing in the lower deserts here. Maybe not quite as bad as you over there!

I used to wear a sleeveless sweatshirt when I worked in the fields near Hemet, the sweat cooled you so much. But high humidity felt worse when at the Salton sea.
Got a decent day, today but I had damage control from yet another big thunderstorm and had no time left for the SquareD
I did get the last water can in so that's complete, and with not much more to do, I'll be pulling the bumper off soon to finish weld and paint it
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on July 31, 2015, 03:26:27 AM
Went to the mountains with the kids kayaking, was just 96 up there. 108 at home!! They played, I fished, good day.

Our cat won't go outside in this heat, spoiled err, well you know,,,,,,,

I like the water cans, but $50 each for plastic!!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on July 31, 2015, 03:36:13 AM
Well we've seen Sled dog, we've seen glimpses of Red Dog, so wheres Black dog?!?


Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 09:03:25 AM
Well we've seen Sled dog, we've seen glimpses of Red Dog, so wheres Black dog?!?



The black dog is: The black face of deaf!

He's around...I capture him today with a shot or two.

He's about twice the size as he was the last time I posted him up. He's the skinny variety, not like Bear who seems more the traditional, classic lookin' GSD
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rpar86 on July 31, 2015, 07:07:07 PM
JR, your cat could be twins with ours. He lives outside PERMANENTLY now since he wouldn't stop peeing on things and is not much liking this 100* heat. Oh well, his own fault.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: duramaxdarren on July 31, 2015, 08:58:41 PM
lotta DOT chatter......back to the build please
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 09:50:25 PM
lotta DOT chatter......back to the build please
OK, back to the build Mr. Darren

First up, I sorted through the tools and laid them out and packed them up in one of the 10" Bosch L-Boxes
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 09:55:21 PM
The spare parts I have accumulated so far were added to another 10" L-Box
You'll see clamps, nuts and bolts, electrical stuff, headlights exhaust clamp, silicone boost pipe couplers, tapes of all sorts, zip ties, grease gun, glues, gasket maker, Epoxy, brake line repair stuff, brass fittings, extra hose and clamps, extra electrical system parts and a host of other stuff. I'll add a tie rod, a couple bearings, and unique bits and pieces from time to time
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 09:58:20 PM
The third box is a 5" unit which I am using to store extra survival equipment, like those 20 space blankets. Also some purlon rope, the multi tool, matches, 30 hour candles, emergency heaters, a knife, bandage and some other things. I still have a bug out bag in the truck as well, so this kit is more oriented to a camp or lager site.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:00:01 PM
All this stuff packed down easily into these three boxes.

The two top boxes are still empty and ready for other stuff
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:01:28 PM
Back to the bumper, I started with adding in a stiffener to the winch base plate, tying it to the fairhead face/mount plate
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:02:45 PM
Next, it's time to finish out this part/area of the bumper. Here it is before finishing
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:04:32 PM
This area required a myriad of little triangle pieces which were time consuming to cut out and glue in place
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:05:29 PM
I welded this piece of 3/16" in place first and ground the weld afterward
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:06:47 PM
As smooth as that #36 grit flap wheel and that new Bosch grinder are getting things, this bumper will finish off nicely in a few days
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:07:50 PM
And more pieces of the jig-saw puzzle
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:09:01 PM
And with the last pieces and a lot more grinding and smoothing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2015, 10:10:24 PM
That right there was several hours or work and the end of a half-day of truck building
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on July 31, 2015, 11:56:00 PM
Looking good!
Just watch the paint! Grinders tend to make quick work of a nice paint job.

Hope I don't jynx you by mentioning it.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on August 01, 2015, 12:43:17 AM
Nice progress on the bumper.  I would like to point out that we did not see a packing list or a load plan for those 3 boxes that were loaded and uploaded today.......;D
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Post by: rasimmo on August 01, 2015, 08:18:19 AM
All this stuff packed down easily into these three boxes.

The two top boxes are still empty and ready for other stuff

I guess box #6 is loaded with the emergency supply of Twinkies that you did not want to mention so you just left it out all together.
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Post by: BobbyB on August 01, 2015, 09:01:32 AM
Nice progress on the bumper.  I would like to point out that we did not see a packing list or a load plan for those 3 boxes that wereloaded and uploaded today.......;D

And to think a pilot neglected to have a load plan!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 01, 2015, 09:58:42 AM
Looking good!
Just watch the paint! Grinders tend to make quick work of a nice paint job.

Hope I don't jynx you by mentioning it.
Already got into it

This paint is EASY to spot over, not like the pretty stuff on a daily driver
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 01, 2015, 10:02:15 AM
Nice progress on the bumper.  I would like to point out that we did not see a packing list or a load plan for those 3 boxes that wereloaded and uploaded today.......;D
That's undergrad stuff my friend...we piluts operate at the graduate level...

Actually, I have seasonal bags and the stuff in there is universal. A space blanket becomes a tent or rain suit...

Once I get that Dan Made fuel cell in there, I can concentrate on a load plan.


Speaking of new projects, who would be in favor of my sawing open the roof, along the vertical wall, installing a hinge on the front side and a fabric lines so I could get in and raise it up to get more room if I was playing lone survivor?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 01, 2015, 10:03:55 AM
Nice progress on the bumper.  I would like to point out that we did not see a packing list or a load plan for those 3 boxes that wereloaded and uploaded today.......;D

And to think a pilot neglected to have a load plan!

Bobby, what is that disturbing avatar you have goin' on there! I swear if you watch that too much, you'll have bad dreams...kinda like Obummer being elected a third and forth term...Well maybe not that bad, but disturbing!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 01, 2015, 10:15:11 AM
Don. It's funny how we over look obvious at times. In your photo layout I just realized I need to put safety goggles in my kit.


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Post by: Nate on August 01, 2015, 10:21:47 AM
Speaking of new projects, who would be in favor of my sawing open the roof, along the vertical wall, installing a hinge on the front side and a fabric lines so I could get in and raise it up to get more room if I was playing lone survivor?

my I suggest you speak with a company that makes something like these

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=expandable+truck+toppers

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/6897-CampTop-Here-s-something-a-little-different

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=wildernest

if that is what you are talking about. 

because in all honesty don, I think that we to include yourself do not want to see another tac topper kind of project fail......?
I understand that these guys are all in the business to make some money, but maybe they might be interested in some sort of a joint project that could be marketed in the future and get you a little $$$$ as well?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 01, 2015, 10:44:26 AM
Nate,

You doubtin' my fabricatin' abilities????

Ah, ye of so little faith

Think of it as all those aircraft designs that came before the Orville and Wilbur designed, flew and marketed the 737! (They did do that, right??)

Anyway, I spied it all out. First I glass in a wooden lip onto the inside top of the existing topper. Then I carefully saw through the middle of that "Flange." Having first added a piano hinge to the front edge it would instantly lift up. Then make up a simple bar which has one end bolted to the bottom and the other end has some rollers running in a channel and voila', the lifting mechanism is done. Then stitch up the fabric and you's done, just like that.
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Post by: rasimmo on August 01, 2015, 11:19:37 AM
I'm with Nate on this one boss. Sounds like deja vu all over again.
But I think we could all have a good laugh seeing you hassle with it a couple weeks, scrapping the whole idea, ripping it off, and letting the prerangers shoot holes in it. Sound familiar? Or maybe change things up a little this time and use it as the roof for the chicken coop out at the farm.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 01, 2015, 11:20:30 AM
I'd opt for aluminum angle pop riveted and glassed or bonded on both pieces with pins at the end and the hinge up front


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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 01, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
AAAAHHH.......DÉJÀ DON?

On a serious note, what about the hard walled styled, fold-out, triangular sides and back like they make for the motorcycle towable campers?  Still hinged at front, no canvas to rott or tear, and if sized correctly, sits atop current topper so rain should flow away and not dribble inside.

I think this is same concept RN is suggesting.
Title: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 01, 2015, 11:37:23 AM
Or specifically 3 inch on the fixed piece and 2 inch on the movable piece with and inch overlap to place weatherstripping. The 3 inch piece would protrude into the opening an inch and the 2 inch piece would reinforce thee movable atop and provide a sealing surface


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on August 01, 2015, 12:18:28 PM


Speaking of new projects, who would be in favor of my sawing open the roof, along the vertical wall, installing a hinge on the front side and a fabric lines so I could get in and raise it up to get more room if I was playing lone survivor?

Oh no. I think he may have bumped his head!
Tac Topper Talk... ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on August 01, 2015, 07:55:40 PM
Bobby, what is that disturbing avatar you have goin' on there! I swear if you watch that too much, you'll have bad dreams...kinda like Obummer being elected a third and forth term...Well maybe not that bad, but disturbing!

That would be the Sheen in Apocalypse Now. I was bored, saw the GIFs and thought... "cool"
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on August 01, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
Nate,

You doubtin' my fabricatin' abilities????

Ah, ye of so little faith

Think of it as all those aircraft designs that came before the Orville and Wilbur designed, flew and marketed the 737! (They did do that, right??)

Anyway, I spied it all out. First I glass in a wooden lip onto the inside top of the existing topper. Then I carefully saw through the middle of that "Flange." Having first added a piano hinge to the front edge it would instantly lift up. Then make up a simple bar which has one end bolted to the bottom and the other end has some rollers running in a channel and voila', the lifting mechanism is done. Then stitch up the fabric and you's done, just like that.

I truly don't believe that any of us here will/can doubt your fabrication skills.  it was more of a suggestion to open a dialog with companies that do this kind of stuff for a living and that way there will be a successful tac topper this time...?


Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 01, 2015, 08:29:19 PM
Ahhh, it will be successful!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on August 01, 2015, 08:42:08 PM
ok then ;D
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Post by: KensAuto on August 01, 2015, 10:16:24 PM
Oh boy.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on August 01, 2015, 11:24:13 PM
Yikes! Here we go again?  :)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on August 02, 2015, 02:29:45 AM
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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on August 02, 2015, 06:41:37 AM
TT2, Tac Topper II…

It sounds like a delaying tactic to me…


START IT UP!!!!!

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Post by: Flyin6 on August 02, 2015, 08:41:53 AM
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Life intervenes...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rasimmo on August 02, 2015, 12:47:41 PM
TT2, Tac Topper II…

It sounds like a delaying tactic to me…


START IT UP!!!!!

I could not agree more. That way you can run over this failed topper build when you decide to rip it off the truck.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on August 02, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
Duane, wouldn't this be TT3?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rasimmo on August 02, 2015, 07:44:58 PM
I believe the first two failures were on the same top. Just two different approaches.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 02, 2015, 08:09:48 PM
I believe the first two failures were on the same top. Just two different approaches.
Correct

But failures?? Harsh, man, harsh! ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on August 02, 2015, 08:51:38 PM
1 topper, 2 chapters. lol
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rasimmo on August 02, 2015, 09:23:38 PM
I believe the first two failures were on the same top. Just two different approaches.
Correct

But failures?? Harsh, man, harsh! ;)
According to the definition "lack of success" I think that's the correct word. ;D

Really it's just an attempt to get you to postpone that idea long enough to engage the starter and blow a little smoke. Out of the tailpipe of course.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 02, 2015, 09:36:45 PM
I believe the first two failures were on the same top. Just two different approaches.
Correct

But failures?? Harsh, man, harsh! ;)
According to the definition "lack of success" I think that's the correct word. ;D

Really it's just an attempt to get you to postpone that idea long enough to engage the starter and blow a little smoke. Out of the tailpipe of course.
Well, I'm going to get it running right after this bumper is finished
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on August 02, 2015, 10:25:16 PM
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Well, I'm going to get it running right after this bumper is finished

That will settle the native for a time. Maybe Norm could help you out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by: Sammconn on August 02, 2015, 10:38:17 PM
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Well, I'm going to get it running right after this bumper is finished

That will settle the native for a time. Maybe Norm could help you out,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Oooohhhh :)
So, uh, are you abandoning finishing the bumper then?  PokeDon.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 02, 2015, 11:13:46 PM

I believe the first two failures were on the same top. Just two different approaches.
Correct

But failures?? Harsh, man, harsh! ;)
According to the definition "lack of success" I think that's the correct word. ;D

Really it's just an attempt to get you to postpone that idea long enough to engage the starter and blow a little smoke. Out of the tailpipe of course.
Well, I'm going to get it running right after this bumper is finished

Whoa !!  We'll need our publicist to issue a press release. 


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on August 03, 2015, 12:16:52 AM
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Well, I'm going to get it running right after this bumper is finished

What, and stop all the DOT efforts!!

It would be nice to hear it though.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sailingdude on August 04, 2015, 03:08:52 PM
Just got caught up on this build. Looking good, I like that snorkel.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on August 04, 2015, 05:31:35 PM
Why am I suddenly reminded of the Spruce Goose? With all the additional weight added on here should we look at adding another turbine?  :o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on August 04, 2015, 06:33:32 PM
Everything okay Don?
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Post by: Nate on August 04, 2015, 06:57:41 PM
the last I was hearing in the news was something about more storms rollin thru that area
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Wilbur on August 04, 2015, 07:02:44 PM
Why am I suddenly reminded of the Spruce Goose? With all the additional weight added on here should we look at adding another turbine?  :o

HAHAHA!!!

I was thinking the same until I saw the list of Dons where he listed the weights of the bumpers etc. Heavy? Sure, but not OMGSHTF heavy from what I saw.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:04:38 PM
Just got caught up on this build. Looking good, I like that snorkel.
It's a lot of catching up!

Snorkel project will get finished after the engine gets running. Have to fab up a bulkhead to block off the back side of the fender, then block off the inside of the fender to create a plenum.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:07:23 PM
Why am I suddenly reminded of the Spruce Goose? With all the additional weight added on here should we look at adding another turbine?  :o

HAHAHA!!!

I was thinking the same until I saw the list of Dons where he listed the weights of the bumpers etc. Heavy? Sure, but not OMGSHTF heavy from what I saw.
Yea, I think that weight is right in the sweet spot considering all this truck will be able to do. The Silverado is 8700 on the ramp with 3/4 tank of fuel and nothing packed up in back. I believe it would stretch upwards to around 10K kitted out!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
Well, today the aim point was get all the fab work done at least to this point to get me to disassembly where I can pull all that business off and work on it on a couple saw horses, then paint it. I met my objective!

I will not be having an integrated set of steps as they would only be about 8" wide and that is just not wide enough.

So, first I went after the tire lowering mechanism. Duane suggested I install a boat trailer nylon roller, but after some tinkering decided to add a winch style roller fairhead roller thing of my own design.

First up was to remove that business. Just lowering and raising the tire once melted that PVC this much, so this part of the system was definitely a no-go
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:16:08 PM
The first roller I added was actually a roller fairhead winch roller in a previous life. With a couple of bracket/mounts it was welded into the tire carrier head like this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:16:54 PM
Then the old PVC holder was cut off
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:18:37 PM
Using some old shock tabs, which I cut up and a 5" X 1/2" bolt and a heavy wall section of tubing to act as a roller I started making up the webbing roller and guide assembly
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:20:22 PM
Which I then welded at an angle to the top of the support
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Then the second, vertical roller was tacked into place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:23:13 PM
Then I built the rest of the upper mount for the roller
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:25:46 PM
The actual wheel lifting fixture was gouging the paint on the wheels so I made some clearance cuts to eliminate all that
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:27:40 PM
The wheel mount/pivot fixture was binding on the lower mount, leaving gouges on the upright here:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:29:16 PM
So I bevel cut those arms to eliminate all that contact area
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
And capped off the cuts finishing that part
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:34:14 PM
Back to the lifting fixture, I added a rubber grommet to the studs so there would be no metal on metal contact at all
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:35:56 PM
I rolled the spare beneath the hoist and lifted that thing like it wasn't there. This modification made it much nicer and smoother
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:38:56 PM
Then while I was lowering it again, the hand crank jumped out of my hand and the tire slammed down. Hmmm...that longer handle is only stable as long as you hold it in place, so something needed to be done here as well.

I opted to make up a second pivot so the jack handle was held in place while cranking that heavy tire up and down
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:41:27 PM
That cured the problem but I also added in a hole in the barrel of the crank so I could pin it in place once it was inserted into the fixture. A second lower hole secures it into it's carry tube
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
With the tire cranked up into place, everything worked much better and I am satisfied with this part of the bumper build
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:44:27 PM
And finally, I wanted to have the camp site tail gate support legs to store somewhere on the tailgate.

It folds down to a compact size:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:46:11 PM
I ended up mounting it on the top of the gate right above the tire winch
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:48:16 PM
It tucks away nicely and doesn't interfere with the operation of anything else. I'll add some 1/4" pins tomorrow to hold it in place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 04, 2015, 09:50:06 PM
And that finished me out in time to shower, put on my sunday-go-to-meetin' clothes and go out to dinner with the wife and some friends!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on August 04, 2015, 10:47:31 PM
Now you're cookin with gas!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on August 05, 2015, 01:04:55 AM
Kinda like adding the angle deck to a standard carrier, so many little parts!!

Paint??
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: EL TATE on August 05, 2015, 01:17:33 AM
Coming right along their Chief.  Nice work on the fairlead, that's what I had envisioned for the most part aside from a boat roller. 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on August 05, 2015, 06:43:51 AM
nice progress
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 05, 2015, 08:41:52 AM
Kinda like adding the angle deck to a standard carrier, so many little parts!!

Paint??
Same as the front I think.

Lower section (Bumper) gets the Raptor bed liner over acid etch primer.

Upper gets the hardener added John Deere Blitz black. I think the accessories like the stand, crank handle and hi-lift jack might get OD. The orange jack base will get some bulldog adhesion promoter and a coat of OD or black. Just so the gay crowd doesn't mistake me for some country boy rec neck (Which I actually am) I think I'll do the water cans in a rainbow palet... ;) :o
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on August 05, 2015, 09:44:42 AM

I think I'll do the water cans in a rainbow palet... ;) :o


Oh no! Not the rainbow :)
That just won't match the shoes!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 05, 2015, 09:52:43 AM
Isn't it something...

When I was a child, I'd stare and marvel at the rainbow after a big violent thunderstorm.

Now I look on it with disgust because of what it represents.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 05, 2015, 10:28:08 AM
With brotherly love Don, I would challenge you to remember th real meaning.  God's promise to never again destroy the earth with water. Fire is another matter and is coming.


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 05, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
With brotherly love Don, I would challenge you to remember th real meaning.  God's promise to never again destroy the earth with water. Fire is another matter and is coming.


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Roger that!

Looking back at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, I haven't heard a better description for a thermo-nuclear explosion.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on August 05, 2015, 01:32:53 PM
With brotherly love Don, I would challenge you to remember th real meaning.  God's promise to never again destroy the earth with water. Fire is another matter and is coming.


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I was about to recommend the same,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Can't hijack some that nice and keep the kids going for the gold!!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on August 11, 2015, 11:43:43 PM
Six whole days and no square d updates. Pokedon!

Loving how the bumper has come together, and yes you've been busy at other stuff.
Just had to bump this back up, as it was starting to dissappear on the build board.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 12, 2015, 11:27:54 AM
Six whole days and no square d updates. Pokedon!

Loving how the bumper has come together, and yes you've been busy at other stuff.
Just had to bump this back up, as it was starting to dissappear on the build board.

Thanks my friend, but you guess it, very busy on other things

One I have mentioned to Kyle only, but I was approached to publish the Christian side of the "Distant Thunder" book for a Christmas release. They were wanting 45,000 to 70,000 words. I had maybe 15K already written so I buckled down and started telling that story.

Now I do not know if I/we are actually going to publish this book or not, but I started spending a lot of time on it.

I prayed over it. That it would glorify the Kingdom of God and not me, and that if the Lord wanted this done, if it was his will, then he would make it happen, but if not, then he would stop it dead. I figure either way, it's G-T-G.

If it doesn't publish, then knuckleheads like you (  ;-)  ) will get to read it anyway!

But I'm getting out on the Squareness today!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on August 12, 2015, 11:35:56 AM
i for one would really like to read that!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on August 12, 2015, 11:58:16 AM
i for one would really like to read that!
That makes two of us!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 12, 2015, 12:21:51 PM
Thanks Genemens,

But He ^^^^ has the last word on this one
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on August 12, 2015, 02:21:34 PM
Thanks Genemens,

But He ^^^^ has the last word on this one

Call it "connectedness" , but I just finished watching "We Were Soilders Once, and Young" the story of General Hal Moore (Colonel at the time) and his men in the first major battle between Americans and Viet Cong of the Vienam War.  Hal was and still is a man of God- at the age of 93; might be a parallel story in there for you Don?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 12, 2015, 11:58:46 PM
I met Hal Moore at a fundraiser for Soldiers for the Truth and reunion for 1st Cav units from the battle of Ia Drang in Texas.  What an awesome thing to be a spectator and listen to the discussion and personal recollection of the fog of war that took place there.  One of my other pilot friends, John Falcon, president of the STT, was a part of that and has a couple of bronze stars and a silver star on the wall to commemorate his valor.  Very much not a digital war back then.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 08:47:59 AM
I admire those guys and grunts in general so much. Real men, those guys.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 09:41:20 AM
With all that is going on these busy summer days, I don't get very much time to spend on Square D

But I did get a couple hours in yestertag.

First up I wanted to start to finish the folding shelf so first I took the grinder to it to level things somewhat from the stiffening glass mats I glued on earlier
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 09:42:47 AM
After that, I overlaid it with a sheet of fine glass fabric to finish it. This will get sanded and coated with bed liner the same time as the bumper gets sprayed.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
Then I drilled the "Pin" holes in the camp site tire rack support legs to hold them in place. I used the new Milner tools lifetime warranty drill bits. Those drill bits like a higher than normal bit speed from a "Normal" bit
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 09:45:55 AM
I'm using 1/2" tractor implement pins, because I can!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 09:46:55 AM
The second pin goes in here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
A simple but effective storage system
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 09:50:30 AM
Next up is the stripping of the bumper and teardown for the skirt and final welding

I got it this far before it was time for church:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 09:52:05 AM
And that was that for build day 288
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Post by: Dawg25385 on August 13, 2015, 09:57:04 AM
Lookin good Don!


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: moto123 on August 13, 2015, 01:02:07 PM
Then I drilled the "Pin" holes in the camp site tire rack support legs to hold them in place. I used the new Milner tools lifetime warranty drill bits. Those drill bits like a higher than normal bit speed from a "Normal" bit

This sure is sounding more like all of the in-show advertising now days.  Too bad you aren't getting paid / free tools for it.  It seems like every home improvement show just absolutely needs a brand new sierra denali to go pick up one sheet of plywood.  And they have to spend 3 minutes telling things I don't care about in the process.  Jeesh.  ::)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
Then I drilled the "Pin" holes in the camp site tire rack support legs to hold them in place. I used the new Milner tools lifetime warranty drill bits. Those drill bits like a higher than normal bit speed from a "Normal" bit

This sure is sounding more like all of the in-show advertising now days.  Too bad you aren't getting paid / free tools for it.  It seems like every home improvement show just absolutely needs a brand new sierra denali to go pick up one sheet of plywood.  And they have to spend 3 minutes telling things I don't care about in the process.  Jeesh.  ::)
Not sure what you're saying, but I'm just commenting on the drill bits in case someone wanted information on them.
Yea, be nice to get paid for some of this, but this site is not about $$$, just building networks, men, and honoring God.
The rest will come if he wants it to. I'm good to go with that.

So I'm in the middle of "Nug-Central"
Just a bunch of nug work on this bumper. Welding, grinding, fitting, smoothing, and finish work. unglamorous and time consuming.

You'll see a bunch of pics tonight, but not showing much, more of a slow change than a  metamorphosis.

First before the bumper, the bottom of the shelf cured up nicely. I'll flatten it some, then lay down the bed liner
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:49:22 PM
I flipped it over and laid down one layer of cloth and resin. I'll smooth this and put down some covering...hadn't decided just what yet
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:51:07 PM
Then I used the engine hoist to yank off the tire carrier
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:52:28 PM
First thing I added two struts to the top and lower stiffener
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:54:14 PM
Then I started beveling all those hard corners
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:55:49 PM
I filled in the cut-out areas with square tubing to stiffen it up
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
Everything is getting beveled and smoothed, and that is taking some time
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:58:23 PM
Filled in the spare tire carrier mounts as well
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 06:59:35 PM
That got me to the sand blast stage with this tire carrier, so on to the bumper. It needs a lot of grinding
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 07:01:36 PM
The technique I used was to cut the welds down with the grinder disc on the 7" grinder, then chase that with a #36 flap wheel, then chase that with a #60 or a #80 flap wheel

Here's the results:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 13, 2015, 07:02:50 PM
That was a whole afternoon of about 6 hours which finished up build-day 289
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Post by: Sammconn on August 13, 2015, 11:04:59 PM
Ah yes, the tedious tormenting bring and smooth stage.
Looks like you made great headway though.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on August 14, 2015, 03:10:56 AM
This sure is sounding more like all of the in-show advertising now days.  Too bad you aren't getting paid / free tools for it.  It seems like every home improvement show just absolutely needs a brand new sierra denali to go pick up one sheet of plywood.  And they have to spend 3 minutes telling things I don't care about in the process.  Jeesh.  ::)
Not sure what you're saying, but I'm just commenting on the drill bits in case someone wanted information on them.

Sounds like he meant it as in the home improvement shows when the host goes " well time to head to (insert home improvement store of your choice) to grab some tools/equipment (your choice) and get a chance to test out my new (insert truck here) that has the (insert powerplant here) that I just got so lets give her a test run and see how she does." And then spends a large chunk of the show talking about something not related to the project at hand, but instead waxes poetically over the non important items instead of what people originally tuned to the show to watch/learn about.

At least that's how I read his post as.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on August 14, 2015, 07:26:47 AM
Don all that grinding and finishing work is tedious. But it sure makes for a nice finished product. It's also NOT motivating me to build my Wife a front bumper for Anvil LOL But today..... I think I may go find some metal and start the process. It's been a toss up between spending this weekend working on her truck, or taking her truck and going exploring in the Sand hills.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dustoff35 on August 14, 2015, 07:55:25 AM
Not sure what you're saying, but I'm just commenting on the drill bits in case someone wanted information on them.
Yea, be nice to get paid for some of this, but this site is not about $$$, just building networks, men, and honoring God.
The rest will come if he wants it to. I'm good to go with that.

I WANT to hear how those drill bits perform.  I saw those at the NSRA show also and will make my decision to buy some based upon how well they perform for you.  If I can get away from buying 10-20 bits of the same size it would be nice... 
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2015, 08:25:05 AM
Not sure what you're saying, but I'm just commenting on the drill bits in case someone wanted information on them.
Yea, be nice to get paid for some of this, but this site is not about $$$, just building networks, men, and honoring God.
The rest will come if he wants it to. I'm good to go with that.

I WANT to hear how those drill bits perform.  I saw those at the NSRA show also and will make my decision to buy some based upon how well they perform for you.  If I can get away from buying 10-20 bits of the same size it would be nice... 
What I discovered is that you have to spin them faster than normal. When I stuck maybe 5 different sizes in my 20VDC drill it took forever to punch through the steel, like 10 gage, I was drilling. Then I got out my 110VAC electric drill and whamo, they went right through.

The 1/2 shank bit was undercut to 3/8" and I could not get it to keep from spinning in either drill. The head produces more torque than the chuck could handle. I might have ruined the 1/2 incher because of that...but a new one is free!

I wouldn't pass judgment on these bits yet since I have not chucked them up in the big drill press yet. Hand drilling is imprecise, wobbling all over and pushing with questionable pressure as opposed to a drill press. So I would not weigh in on them just yet.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 14, 2015, 08:29:29 AM
Ok I am going to ask.... do you guys sharpen your bits? I have had the same set of HSS bits for well over 20 years. I have broken a couple of the smaller ones but largely the set is still as purchased.

I sharpen mine on a bench grinder by hand, always have. Which twist bits to use is defendant on the metal your drilling. If the bits harder than the metal, it will drill it assuming it's properly sharpened.

I do have a couple solid carbide bits for drilling tool steel or leaf springs.
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Post by: Dustoff35 on August 14, 2015, 08:49:02 AM
Ok I am going to ask.... do you guys sharpen your bits?

No.  Its a skill I never learned.

I have considered buying one of those "Drill Dr." machines that is supposed to put the proper angle on the tip, it looks to be fool-proof.  Then, I could put the 10 year old on the job and he could spend a couple of days sharpening that drawer-full of dull bits I have...
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2015, 08:53:54 AM
Yea, Norm, I did buy a Dr. Drill thing-ah-ma-bob and I never could get a good sharpen on any bits, so I canned it, or the red dog chewed it apart...well something happened to it.

But having said that, I am thinking of getting another one.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: OldKooT on August 14, 2015, 09:21:55 AM
All u really need is a small ruler, a protractor, a bench grinder, and some patience. I could possibly type it all out to explain, but I am sure you could find some videos on U tube that would be a bit easier to follow. A little practice and you'll pick it up quickly.

I have never used a Drill Dr but I have heard they are hit and miss. Sears used to sell a Jig that once set up, makes it pretty simple as well.

I do my own sharpening, although I have considered teaching my wife to do it. She likes detail stuff like that. Chain saw chains, chisels, drill bits, circular saw blades, all easily sharpened at home with a little practice.

 
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2015, 11:14:41 AM
All u really need is a small ruler, a protractor, a bench grinder, and some patience. I could possibly type it all out to explain, but I am sure you could find some videos on U tube that would be a bit easier to follow. A little practice and you'll pick it up quickly.

I have never used a Drill Dr but I have heard they are hit and miss. Sears used to sell a Jig that once set up, makes it pretty simple as well.

I do my own sharpening, although I have considered teaching my wife to do it. She likes detail stuff like that. Chain saw chains, chisels, drill bits, circular saw blades, all easily sharpened at home with a little practice.

 
I just buy new bits
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on August 14, 2015, 11:24:15 AM
Ok I am going to ask.... do you guys sharpen your bits?

No.  Its a skill I never learned.

I have considered buying one of those "Drill Dr." machines that is supposed to put the proper angle on the tip, it looks to be fool-proof.  Then, I could put the 10 year old on the job and he could spend a couple of days sharpening that drawer-full of dull bits I have...

that sounds like a good plan duane.
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Post by: Sammconn on August 14, 2015, 11:30:40 AM
There is an art to sharpening, and as suggested a YouTube video will make more sense than a written explanation.
I've become very proficient at this over the years, and given my lack of a hardware store, have to keep on top of it.(Yeah, no hardware for 200+ miles)

The jigs that you can buy, once set up do a decent job. Different hardnesses of material being drilled work better with bit profiles however.
I won't stray into that, as the standard angles 'work', just not as well in some materials.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 14, 2015, 02:59:39 PM
Yes profiles do make a huge difference. I keep a set at 118 degrees for general work. I do play with the reliefs and splitting and such at times when doing something special. But generally it's a common size I have a specialty bit for anyway if I am drilling say stainless or Armor plate as an example.

People sometimes make a bigger deal of drill bits than is required I feel. Old bits more than 20 years old are far better steel than anything you can buy new. I drilled 24 leaf springs leafs with a standard 1950's drill bit, a lil lube, and a slooooow feed speed on one sharpening. Not sure I could have done that on a newer bit unless it was a specialty bit.

OK back to Square D progress.... Sorry Don
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2015, 05:10:37 PM
That's quite all right Norm,

So I pulled the bumper completely off and was happily welding the skirt onto the bottom when I ran out of wire. Looking at the welder, I was almost out of gas as well, so I made the sojourn to the local welding shop and restocked along with 5 new #40 grit flap wheels to chew on the welds some more.

I have maybe a day of fabbing the skirt and finish welding in whole thing and she'll be ready for high velocity sand.
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Post by: Wilbur on August 14, 2015, 05:38:04 PM
Don I gotta say when I was watching you piecing that bumper together I had my share of "gee...not sure I like how that looks" or ""boy that's a lot of little pieces and angles" moments...but seeing it all together and after some of the grinding that you've done I think that looks friggin' awesome (A Boston term for "nice job! ha!).  ;) Really well done!   
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Post by: BobbyB on August 14, 2015, 06:35:37 PM
I ran out of wire. Looking at the welder, I was almost out of gas as well, so I made the sojourn to the local welding shop and restocked

Random question, but how much does it cost to refill the tanks?
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2015, 06:39:38 PM
I ran out of wire. Looking at the welder, I was almost out of gas as well, so I made the sojourn to the local welding shop and restocked

Random question, but how much does it cost to refill the tanks?
Depends on size obviously, but somewhere in the $30's is a safe bet
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2015, 06:39:53 PM
Don I gotta say when I was watching you piecing that bumper together I had my share of "gee...not sure I like how that looks" or ""boy that's a lot of little pieces and angles" moments...but seeing it all together and after some of the grinding that you've done I think that looks friggin' awesome (A Boston term for "nice job! ha!).  ;) Really well done!   

Thank you
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Post by: JR on August 16, 2015, 03:11:41 PM
Don, can't wait to see the bumper all coated up, looks good.

I was buying those sanding wheels at the LHS too, but it got pricey. I found for $20 you can get 10 on ebay and I always have enough that way. http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-4-1-2-x-7-8-PREMIUM-ZIRCONIA-GRINDING-WHEEL-FLAP-DISC-40-GRIT-NEW-/230813894417?hash=item35bd948711

My old bits work better than all this new stuff. heck just finding good bits is hard now. But I do sharpen my own, have for years.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 16, 2015, 07:13:51 PM
I've become a big fan of Tractor Supply Company.  I found bargain packs of cutoff wheels and flap wheels pretty cheap.  They also carry Oxy, Acetylene, and shielding gases in some locations and they are open on sat and sun which means I can get gasses when I need them and not when the welding place is open.  They have a lot of neat stuff.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 16, 2015, 10:44:07 PM
The comment about steels being better if older is solid. Seems the chemistry (Metallurgy??) has changed, and for the worse.

When down at the show in Louisville, I took the time to go over a new Bronco body kit. Made from new metal from the old stampings. Made in Taiwan. My impression: Piece of junk! Thin, tinny, weak as all get out, and I just couldn't see the asking price $8,700 and change.
Talking to the sales guy there, he said, well the chemistry of the steels is all different now. Seems to me, what he really meant to say is, "well, all our stuff is made in China now."
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Post by: OldKooT on August 17, 2015, 11:58:41 AM
Yeah Don no question, new metal is iffy in comparison to older stuff. Piece of trivia for you... Dodge's doors on their pickups are 17lbs heavier prior to 1988. The difference is noticeable in many ways....the older doors don't crack in numerous places like the newer doors (1988-93) do as an example. Same is true of the front fenders...older is better.



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Post by: KensAuto on August 17, 2015, 01:54:22 PM
When I replaced the doors in my 73 chebby, I went with some power ones from 87. You know what the largest weight difference was? the glass. My original ones were almost 1/4", new ones like half of that....but my old ones wouldn't work properly in the newer doors...too much drag on the motors.

I Should've stuck with the old cranks....and now wish that I would've saved all those old pieces to change it back.
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Post by: JR on August 17, 2015, 01:58:23 PM
Plus all the newer doors have the side impact beam.

How does a door get lighter with what should be more metal??

My burb has cranks :D
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:34:37 AM
Yeah Don no question, new metal is iffy in comparison to older stuff. Piece of trivia for you... Dodge's doors on their pickups are 17lbs heavier prior to 1988. The difference is noticeable in many ways....the older doors don't crack in numerous places like the newer doors (1988-93) do as an example. Same is true of the front fenders...older is better.




Does that apply to us as well?
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:37:15 AM
Well, got a lot of work done on the bumper yesterday, but it doesn't show. Welding is time consuming, but afterward you still have the same piece, just warped a bit more!

To start with I pulled the thing off using an engine crane and a dog leash
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:38:59 AM
I started by adding that skirt...I like my lady in a skirt, so I thought I'd add one to this bumper
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:41:31 AM
Crappy pics...oh well

Picked up some more flap wheels and some more wire then continued mission (CM)

Here the left underside gets "Boxed" or "C-ed" in
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:43:02 AM
Cameras don't do that justice. It is angled outward so if I hit something like a dirt berm it will shove the rear of the truck up and away
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:44:48 AM
Don't worry about that lower ugly weld, I'll fill er' in

Next, I built in both corners
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:46:14 AM
Then it was off to the races, welding up the inside. That took hours
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:47:10 AM
Went through a few of these
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:48:57 AM
Just to show you what this wheel, a #40 grit can do, here is a before and after about 30 seconds of grinding on about an inch of weld:
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
That was all I had time for and concluded build day #290
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Post by: Nate on August 18, 2015, 08:55:52 AM
good looking weldin and grindin.

I agree with that sign, but I believe her wife (bill) should be joining her!

was that the wife's new vehicle in the back ground......and how is she doing after the accident?
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Post by: rasimmo on August 18, 2015, 09:42:56 AM

was that the wife's new vehicle in the back ground......and how is she doing after the accident?

I thought it was a kia. Maybe placed there to test out the bumper. IF the truck will ever move under it's own power.

Oh, nice looking work Don.
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Post by: KensAuto on August 18, 2015, 10:25:36 AM
Nice work. 
"I like grinding"....says no one.
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Post by: EL TATE on August 18, 2015, 11:46:33 AM
Yeah, metal grinding... I mentioned before I did some part time work for a stage lighting company building storage crates. Based on the amount that we were doing for those and the lighting racks, he bought flap wheels in bulk and I went through them all. Even a week or so after I was through the wife would find black in my ears. Bumper's lookin good there Don, I can appreciate the amount of labor involved.

Is that a Ford Fusion in the background? I know that Kia borrows from/Ford borrows from Kia in design, see the kia mini vans vs. ford windstar for reference.
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Post by: Sammconn on August 18, 2015, 02:54:18 PM
Nice work. 
"I like grinding"....says no one.
No truer words spoken Ken!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 03:05:58 PM
good looking weldin and grindin.

I agree with that sign, but I believe her wife (bill) should be joining her!

was that the wife's new vehicle in the back ground......and how is she doing after the accident?
Daughters

Kia

(Junk)
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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 18, 2015, 03:35:52 PM
Where can I get one of those yard signs Don? :)
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 07:50:50 PM
Where can I get one of those yard signs Don? :)
Dunno??
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:37:03 PM
More bumper work, but I think I can call it done with respect to grinding and welding.

I work a spot, the dogs check it out, then I roll it about and weld something else
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:39:24 PM
The sand blaster will make quick work of all that welding spatter, so I am not concerned so much about that. I decided to weld in some bracing on the skirt section as a part of the final "Bracing" portion of building this bumper
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:41:38 PM
Then I wrapped the jack base with a piece of 1/2" X 14 gage to keep that edge from causing any scrapes to my sensitive skin!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:43:25 PM
And added another brace to stiffen up that mount some more
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:45:15 PM
And now back to the skirt. Using 3/16" plate the rest of the skirt section is added piece by piece
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:46:58 PM
These pieces round out the jack support underside
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:50:24 PM
Then I finished the other side. There wasn't an easy way to run a support over so I doubled up the steel and added the stiffener along with the skirt section. It rings like a bell when you hit it
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:52:13 PM
Then even more welding was done to make sure every joint was welded on both sides to ensure this bumper is as strong as if can be
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:55:55 PM
Added another stiffener to the jack base, and one to the inside of the bumper, and even ran a second weld on the bumper bolt nuts

That got me in a great position to sand blast the thing and prime it up tomorrow

BTW, I tried to find a spot to get the Back-up lights in, but in the end, there was no way to do that without weakening the bumper so they will have to find a home in another location. I have an idea!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 20, 2015, 09:56:40 PM
And that was that for build day 291
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Post by: JR on August 21, 2015, 12:09:55 AM
Heck as nice as it looks maybe it should be a mold? I doubt it would weigh much less ans less grinding.

I can see why you go threw wheels so fast. Aren't you supposed to grind the heavy stuff first?

Paint "the Kia Killer" on it to see the daughters reaction. Neighbors had one of those but had lots of electrical issues.

But enough teasing, it does look nice!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 21, 2015, 06:49:25 AM
I hope you wear a respirator.  That's a lot of material in the air.

That gets you one step closer to.....
starting it up!
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Post by: Sammconn on August 21, 2015, 07:29:21 AM
I hope you wear a respirator.  That's a lot of material in the air.

That gets you one step closer to.....
starting it up!
He's prepping for paint RN!

He just may get it painted  and...

Start It!!!
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Post by: OldKooT on August 21, 2015, 07:33:42 AM
I have complete faith it will be running before Christmas  ;D
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Post by: husker77c on August 21, 2015, 07:55:05 AM
I've followed this very closely but I don't recall seeing any jacking points on the bumper.  Did you build any flat spots into the bumper for that purpose? 
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 08:41:06 AM
I've followed this very closely but I don't recall seeing any jacking points on the bumper.  Did you build any flat spots into the bumper for that purpose? 
I plan to build a fixture onto the hi-lift jack to engage the lift points on the bumpers
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Post by: OldKooT on August 21, 2015, 08:47:19 AM
We have something similar to this on a farm jack we use for emergency fencing.

http://www.skygeek.com/bogert-51m-sjsl-safe-jack-secure-lifter.html

It also works slick for those "odd" lift points one runs across at times.

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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 10:00:40 AM
I planned to make a fixture with a clevis welded to it. That way I could run the pin through the clevis which was bolted to the jack to stabilize it and make sure it did not pop off while I was napping underneath the truck
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Post by: KensAuto on August 21, 2015, 10:27:00 AM
I have complete faith it will be running before Christmas  ;D

You're one to talk!
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Post by: JR on August 21, 2015, 10:50:58 AM
I have complete faith it will be running before Christmas  ;D

So do I, just to celebrate the 2016 election.
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Post by: husker77c on August 21, 2015, 11:13:24 AM
I planned to make a fixture with a clevis welded to it. That way I could run the pin through the clevis which was bolted to the jack to stabilize it and make sure it did not pop off while I was napping underneath the truck

That's a really good idea.  The hi-lift jacks are super handy but also really dangerous.  My first boss used them all the time for lifting the tounges of trailers and such and I got a lecture about never standing over the handle at any time.  My moms boyfriend had a handle of one slip out of his hand and smack him straight in the mouth. Broke his jaw had to have it wired shut.   I hated the guy so can't say I was too upset but still never want to see someone hurt like that.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 21, 2015, 11:58:12 AM
I do agree with Ken...I shouldn't talk. But I did put most of a Ramcharger together in a week. But yeah...no love for the crew cab..... Yet LoL

Well all tease Don because he gets more done in a day than we do in a week most likely.

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Post by: KensAuto on August 21, 2015, 04:04:10 PM
I do agree with Ken...I shouldn't talk. But I did put most of a Ramcharger together in a week. But yeah...no love for the crew cab..... Yet LoL

We all tease Don because he gets more done in a day than we do in a week most likely.

This is a fact. You would think that he'd be burned out by now,  but he keeps a stroken along.
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Post by: Sammconn on August 21, 2015, 04:28:36 PM
So true Ken. What is this, like build day 600 million or so.  8)
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Post by: Nate on August 21, 2015, 04:57:33 PM
here is the FACT about the US Army.

if you continue to get ribbing by co workers, peers and superiors you are G-2-G continue mission.  but when you stop getting the ribbing, you now have something to "real world" worry about (translation you F*#&$D up)

so continue the ribbing folks!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:35:28 PM
Yea, ribbin' doesn't bother me much

Cause

I give it right back!

OK, today I got the bumper somewhat painted and this is the story of how that happened:

Once upon a time in a galaxy far, far away, lived this cranky old, really old Warrant Officer. He didn't like anything including himself. Had daily arguments with everyone and everything including his own shadow.

Then he met this beautiful princess and they fell in love and were married. And now he's happy...End of story!

Wasn't that nice?

Had nothing to do with the bumper, but who cares, it's my thread!

So there is the mess I started the day with:

Oh, that's a couple more reinforcements I added to the skirt. Seems every time I look at that bumper I want to strengthen something else
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:38:37 PM
And because of the law of equal balancin' I had to do something to the other side

That big C-Channel section needed some more strengthening, just in case while crawlin' over Kias, I bumped into a Super Duty or something.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:39:16 PM
And a couple more:
Title: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: wyorunner on August 21, 2015, 06:40:43 PM
here is the FACT about the US Army.

if you continue to get ribbing by co workers, peers and superiors you are G-2-G continue mission.  but when you stop getting the ribbing, you now have something to "real world" worry about (translation you F*#&$D up)

so continue the ribbing folks!!!!!!!!!!

While never been a marmi guy I did serve and wife still is. With that, I have been on both sides of this fact and can confirm it to be true!

On a build note, Don any rough estimate of what that rear bumper is going to weigh? Sure is a fantastic piece of usable artwork, but I reckon it has to weigh as much as some of them cars that may meet it! You do a great job of building tough stuff.


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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:44:01 PM
Because of the law that states for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction, again I spied the other side and decided to add in these stiffeners

And to answer the question. That whole rear bumper, tire rack, spare and stuff will likely tip the scales around 400-450 lbs
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:45:48 PM
With 40 fresh pounds of sand in the hopper it was go time for the HB (Hangin' Bumper)
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:47:10 PM
I got some of the sand on the bumper, some on my boys, the black dog, red dog and all over me. But enough impacted the bumper to produce this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:48:34 PM
Next step was to wipe it down thoroughly with solvent.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:49:45 PM
The paint store guy wanted me to try out this acid etching primer, so I did, 3 cans worth @ $15 ea! YIKES!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:54:45 PM
Once that stuff dried up, I wasn't lettin' any weeds sprout under ma dogs (Or my feet) so I sprayed the interior places with that GOBUBS (Good Old Boy Under Body Sealer)

That reminded me of a story

So one day a builder has just installed the roof on a house I built in the Tennessee. I asked him, "John, what did you use on the corners right up there?" "Well, I used Black Mammy"

"Black what?" I asked. Then he formaled up and said "Pliable asphalt based sealer, ya know, black mammy!"
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 21, 2015, 06:56:48 PM
Right about now, I needed to repair the busted up bush-hob wheel yoke, so I shut down SDO (Square-D Operations) and went CM on the BHR (Bush Hog Repair)
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Post by: KensAuto on August 21, 2015, 07:58:16 PM
And to answer the question. That whole rear bumper, tire rack, spare and stuff will likely tip the scales around 400-450 tons

Fixed it for you. :thumbsup
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Post by: Wilbur on August 21, 2015, 07:59:21 PM
Looking great! I really like the looks for the bumper. Good luck with the bush hog!
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Post by: JR on August 22, 2015, 12:31:38 AM
I sure hope that is a 2 ton hoist and not a 1 ton.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 22, 2015, 08:03:21 AM
The ultimate mall crawler......


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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 22, 2015, 08:33:05 AM
Looking top shelf there Don- glad to see your not letting any grass grow underneath the mandals!  Hey, speaking of which, the mandal shots stopped showing up- Red Dog or the BFK (Black Faced Killer) get to them?  BFK got big quickly too!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:30:50 PM
I sure hope that is a 2 ton hoist and not a 1 ton.
That's a cloth dog leash holding all that up!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:31:46 PM
Looking top shelf there Don- glad to see your not letting any grass grow underneath the mandals!  Hey, speaking of which, the mandal shots stopped showing up- Red Dog or the BFK (Black Faced Killer) get to them?  BFK got big quickly too!
Daughter!

I pay her to clean the house

She straightened them up out of existence!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 23, 2015, 10:21:59 AM
Looking top shelf there Don- glad to see your not letting any grass grow underneath the mandals!  Hey, speaking of which, the mandal shots stopped showing up- Red Dog or the BFK (Black Faced Killer) get to them?  BFK got big quickly too!
Daughter!
 
I pay her to clean the house

She straightened them up out of existence!

She probably thought they were a pair of Merrells you wore all the fabric off of- takes our children awhile to learn the difference between "cheap" and "frugal" -
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 23, 2015, 10:42:14 AM
Looking top shelf there Don- glad to see your not letting any grass grow underneath the mandals!  Hey, speaking of which, the mandal shots stopped showing up- Red Dog or the BFK (Black Faced Killer) get to them?  BFK got big quickly too!
Daughter!
 
I pay her to clean the house

She straightened them up out of existence!

She probably thought they were a pair of Merrells you wore all the fabric off of- takes our children awhile to learn the difference between "cheap" and "frugal" -
Funny you should mention that

Can't find the Merrells either!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 23, 2015, 10:56:01 AM
It's all payback- my youngest busted me for tossing her "sippy" cups when they left me home alone for 2 weeks......turns out she rotates them out for her midnight thirsty H2O in bed!  Oh well, at least I left the one that looks most like a coffee tumbler.
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Post by: Nate on August 23, 2015, 02:51:11 PM
she is just following instruction from mom in assisting you with improvement to the wardrobe (their ninja skills seem to be stronger than yours grasshopper)...........;D
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 23, 2015, 03:21:05 PM
she is just following instruction from mom in assisting you with improvement to the wardrobe (their ninja skills seem to be stronger than yours grasshopper)...........;D
Probably!

Everything I buy is the same

5.11 trousers, concealment shirts...

If I am wearing anything fashionable or with color, then one of the ladies bought it for me!
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Post by: Nate on August 23, 2015, 03:22:57 PM
I feel yah, if I am wearing something stylish then it came from tracey.
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Post by: BobbyB on August 23, 2015, 04:45:32 PM
I'm a jeans and tshirt kinda guy, maybe a hoodie or thermal henley in the winter. But I do need some more Merrell's or a pair of Saloman's.. guess I need to hit up the interwebz.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 23, 2015, 05:46:13 PM
Oh, fashion thread-

My Principal bitched at me awhile back about wearing jeans........bought Carhart rip-stop cargo pants.......not denim.......and they handle/conceal IWB well, outter pocket divided holds two mags like it was designed that way!
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Post by: OldKooT on August 23, 2015, 06:06:17 PM
Levi 501's are dress pants, they are also work pants when I ruin them while using them as dress pants. (We drive Dodges, always have to adjust something en route to the barn dance)

In fact if I wear anything else my wife looks at me funny. Kinda like she did yesterday.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 23, 2015, 10:07:12 PM
501s. Because its hard to get your junk caught in a button...
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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 23, 2015, 10:28:02 PM
When you're over 50, it's hard to get your junk out quick enough when you gotta go! 
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Post by: Higher Caliber on August 24, 2015, 04:03:26 AM
DohhhhhT^^^


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Post by: Flyin6 on August 24, 2015, 10:30:59 PM
^^^ I'm not getting involved with that business!

OK, got the bumper coated today

First I hung it, then sanded it, then washed it with the prep solvent
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 24, 2015, 10:33:31 PM
Then I shot it with two coats of the Raptor, 2-part urethane bed liner using a shoutz spray gun at about 60 psi
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 24, 2015, 10:35:12 PM
After a couple hours it had already set up way past sticky, well on it's way to being dry.

And that was all I got done on the Squareness today!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 24, 2015, 10:50:50 PM
Looks great Don!  Glad you didn't paint over the dog leash
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Post by: KensAuto on August 24, 2015, 11:45:44 PM
Looks good!
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Post by: Sammconn on August 25, 2015, 12:13:26 AM
Looking good.
I see you've learned to fill the shackle mounts prior to undersizing the holes with coatings.
One of mine is filled with weld spatter. Wished I'd have caught that prior to paint.

You're almost getting to the point that you'll have to turn the key!

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Post by: JR on August 25, 2015, 03:01:22 AM
Looks good. Start it up, really?
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Post by: BobbyB on August 25, 2015, 03:03:20 AM
You're almost getting to the point that you'll have to turn the key!

Plot twist... key was lost.
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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 25, 2015, 06:53:42 AM
LOL-
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 08:47:27 AM

You're almost getting to the point that you'll have to turn the key!


I've been playing with that.

Batteries charged up, electrical checks

But still no prime

Those Kennedy pumps are not self priming
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 25, 2015, 08:56:52 AM
Psyop redirection... didn't you see the Dr650 thread? 
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Post by: Sammconn on August 25, 2015, 12:00:20 PM
Psyop redirection... didn't you see the Dr650 thread?
I did. But I was holding out on mentioning. You may be right RN.

On the prime thing, a couple pounds positive pressure on the tank will solve that!
Or fill the tank? Might work too.
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Post by: EL TATE on August 25, 2015, 12:22:12 PM
It's all payback- my youngest busted me for tossing her "sippy" cups when they left me home alone for 2 weeks......turns out she rotates them out for her midnight thirsty H2O in bed!  Oh well, at least I left the one that looks most like a coffee tumbler.

I was eventually found guilty for the same crime, however my operation was a little more clandestine. I discretely snipped a little hole in the silicone top near the base, no more suction, no more workey. Sophie threw it away on her own because it was "broken". Mom almost bought a new one until I confessed and then I was ratted on by my own wife. Maybe they need to recognize that I'm a local Mod Boss... no respect I tell ya.

DOT over.
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Post by: Nate on August 25, 2015, 05:31:18 PM
she just lets you feel that way tate!

cause when it comes to it who is the real BOSS?!
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Post by: rpar86 on August 25, 2015, 06:06:33 PM
she just lets you feel that way tate!

cause when it comes to it who is the real BOSS?!

Saw a good sign down at the beach yesterday:

"I may be the captain,

but the wife is the admiral."
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 08:22:04 PM
If I might be so bold, please allow me to interrupt all this useless chatter and post up some build stuff! ???

I had about enough time to get the bumper installed and order some paint and parts

So after sliding it into place, it is a bit of a chore to rotate all that weight up, using the jack mount as a handle and plug it into the frame...Then it's easy
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 08:24:12 PM
It gets four bolts on each side, 1/2" which I tightened to just shy of a 1/4" from bottoming. Just in case I have to move things about while installing all the other parts to this assembly
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 08:25:37 PM
I started to sort out the wiring, and air tubes and everything else
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Post by: Sammconn on August 25, 2015, 08:25:52 PM
Hey Redneck, the bumper is painted... :)
We'll see if the matrix allows for the starting of the cummins...

Sorry big D we're all just a little anxious to see it run too.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 08:26:50 PM
Then its a simple matter of reinstalling things
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 08:27:58 PM
Hey Redneck, the bumper is painted... :)
We'll see if the matrix allows for the starting of the cummins...

Sorry big D we're all just a little anxious to see it run too.
Its coming

I already said it was next in queue

Patience...and a squirrel!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 08:29:40 PM
Looking at the winch, with the thickness of the bottom plate and the extra bracing I needed two different size bolts as winch mount bolts are very length sensitive.

I had just the right length in the 10.9 X 1.5 metric sizing in my well stocked parts bin
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 08:30:41 PM
Then I bolted down the Superwinch 9500 Tiger Shark
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 25, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
yep, I believe he's talked himself into a corner.......

BTW, nice cat.  Was that a ripple in the Matrix?
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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 25, 2015, 11:16:47 PM
yep, I believe he's talked himself into a corner.......

BTW, nice cat.  Was that a ripple in the Matrix?

No' that's a Calico in the garage........
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Post by: JR on August 26, 2015, 12:59:04 AM
I thought the front wheels left the ground when he bolted it all on.

Oh, it was a ripple,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 05:43:05 PM
Ripple (fire) this!
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 26, 2015, 06:17:51 PM
Love to. I bet the hourly rate is a bit steep


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Post by: EL TATE on August 26, 2015, 06:52:09 PM
That monstrosity of metal has come full circle to look really good there Don. Well executed
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Post by: KensAuto on August 26, 2015, 07:07:09 PM
Ripple (fire) this!
Oh yeah...ken likey.


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Post by: Sammconn on August 26, 2015, 07:12:21 PM
Hey Ken, that thing would clean up some of the North south trails I'd say!

Bumper looking awesome Don, looking forward to the comportion.
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Post by: Dawg25385 on August 26, 2015, 07:19:29 PM
Hey Ken, that thing would clean up some of the North south trails I'd say!


LOL i see what you did there
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Post by: Sammconn on August 26, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
Yeah...I did that.  8)
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 08:58:28 PM
Today I got some more done and tested out a couple of new products

Objective for today was to get the support pieces and do-dads blasted, primed and painted so I could attach them to the bumper tomorrow when I get to blasting and working the swing gate toward finishing.

First up was the blasting.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 09:01:12 PM
I'm using playground sand in 50 lb bags. So far I have used maybe two bags on the bumper and all the parts I did today.

It works very fast and is pretty cheap.

I am also using a cheapo 40 lb HF pressure blaster, which I have found is pretty sensitive, needing clean materials to keep blasting
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 09:04:07 PM
All of the acid etching primers I have purchased have been pretty expensive ranging from $79 a quart to $30 a can down to $16 for the most recent aerosol cans.

That is very costly, so in searching I came across this etching primer from Summit. At the reasonable price of $7.95 a can, I loaded up on the stuff. I found it to be very easy spraying and had good one coat coverage. So far I'm happy with the results
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 09:07:04 PM
The next product I am testing out is the next step in the process.

This KBS epoxy type paint is the stuff I discovered down at the NSRA show in Louisville.

Summit sells a quart of semi-flat black for $39.95 so I picked up one. I wanted to try a brush on product for once to get an idea if it might be suitable for future projects.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 09:09:16 PM
The stuff is good up to 600 degrees F and is very hard. It is UV stable and has a self leveling quality.

So I applied two coats with a brush to the various parts. These pics show coating Number one
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 09:10:30 PM
And after the second coat. Set up to tack time was 20-30 min
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 26, 2015, 09:11:56 PM
That was all before church, after I returned home after a few hours the high gloss was all but gone and it had leveled some more

I'll post up the end result when I check on it in the morn
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Post by: JR on August 27, 2015, 01:58:14 AM
Gotta love the summit stuff. I have about 10 cans of that, price is right.
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Post by: rpar86 on August 27, 2015, 01:23:38 PM
I'm very interested in how this chassis paint works out. My truck has the nasty GM frame coating flaking off and rust all over, so I want to clean that all up over time and have been wondering how I want to go about doing that.  I've seen Don use the Rust converter stuff and the acid etching primer and raptor... just don't know how involved I want to get, but I want it to 1) last a long time 2) look good 3) not break the bank while maintaining a quality result.

Had an idea yesterday for another thread/topic, maybe in the DIY section... automotive/parts painting. Products, methods, techniques. When/where to use a hardener. What is acid etching primer good for, etc...  I'm an automotive painting newbie, so thought this might be a good idea.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 01:35:09 PM
I'm very interested in how this chassis paint works out. My truck has the nasty GM frame coating flaking off and rust all over, so I want to clean that all up over time and have been wondering how I want to go about doing that.  I've seen Don use the Rust converter stuff and the acid etching primer and raptor... just don't know how involved I want to get, but I want it to 1) last a long time 2) look good 3) not break the bank while maintaining a quality result.

Had an idea yesterday for another thread/topic, maybe in the DIY section... automotive/parts painting. Products, methods, techniques. When/where to use a hardener. What is acid etching primer good for, etc...  I'm an automotive painting newbie, so thought this might be a good idea.

I actually found this stuff when I first started on SquareD.

The paint shop guys told me to
1. Clean the frame
2. Take it down to bare metal
3. Blast it ot roughen the surface somehow
4. clean with solvent
5. Use etching primer
6. Use an epoxy sealer
7. Use a top coat

Or

Just clean it and brush on the KBS

I like to punish myself, inflict pain and injury, and aggravation
but
After a couple years end up with something I feel like I did right

So I did not proceed with the KBS initially
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Post by: Dawg25385 on August 27, 2015, 01:41:02 PM
I'm very interested in how this chassis paint works out. My truck has the nasty GM frame coating flaking off and rust all over, so I want to clean that all up over time and have been wondering how I want to go about doing that.  I've seen Don use the Rust converter stuff and the acid etching primer and raptor... just don't know how involved I want to get, but I want it to 1) last a long time 2) look good 3) not break the bank while maintaining a quality result.

Had an idea yesterday for another thread/topic, maybe in the DIY section... automotive/parts painting. Products, methods, techniques. When/where to use a hardener. What is acid etching primer good for, etc...  I'm an automotive painting newbie, so thought this might be a good idea.

I'm in the same boat Ryan... going to take my bed off and attack the frame and axle, but am still trying to figure out exactly what i am going to do...
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Post by: Nate on August 27, 2015, 06:20:40 PM
2 things kyle,

1, that is a good excuse as any to find the coin some where (maybe on the final total of the house) to have a true HD lift put in your garage

2, this is a prime example of a project that a lift would be to your benefit

just sayin.....that way if I end up back up there tater, me, bob, ?  can show up over there and provide the sweet tea for use of the lift???  ;D
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Post by: Dawg25385 on August 27, 2015, 08:35:58 PM
Ha! You guys are making quite a case for a lift, but my big bay is for a RV... Lift or no lift, you guys can still come by and drink sweet tea ;)


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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:18:54 PM
Sorry to interrupt again... :o

I got several hours in on the bumper project today...Man this thing is taking a lot of build time!

First up, here's the pics of that cured KBS epoxy product:
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:20:59 PM
That stuff dried hard and flattened out (Leveled) pretty well from the brush strokes that I left in there.

But it did not dry to a flat enough tone. It's too shiny, so even though it is a good finish, I top coated it to reduce the sheen.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
Then I went after some more of the parts of this assembly, blasting first then giving them the treatment
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:23:27 PM
Then washing with solvent and the etching primer
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:25:05 PM
The spare tire lifting fixture was rubber coated with the Plasti-Dip product in a red just to upset most of you and have you thinking Don's lost it!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:26:42 PM
The lowering handle was primed, then coated with the bed liner, then over coated with the plasti-Dip coating
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:28:08 PM
Then I bolted on the two uprights which fit just like they should!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:29:32 PM
The spare tire tilting fixture was coated with a bed liner Urethane
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:30:43 PM
And the parking tailgate assembly was blasted and primed. I didn't get around to a final coat for that gentleman just yet
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:31:58 PM
I wanted a master on/off switch for the rear winch, so this is the HD unit I chose
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:32:53 PM
It's going in right beside the winch here:
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:34:38 PM
It was a bit tricky getting the handle off. the nut would spin with the shaft, so I took a chance and drilled a access hole into the back and lo and behold, I discovered a phillips screw head which solved my problems!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:36:47 PM
I cut the positive lead of the winch, then soldered on some #2 copper lugs, shrink wrapped that, then installed them onto the switch
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:38:19 PM
I installed that with some stainless 5/16" bolts and nylon locking nuts
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:39:07 PM
And everything clears!
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Post by: Dawg25385 on August 27, 2015, 09:55:21 PM
Lookin good boss!


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Post by: Flyin6 on August 27, 2015, 09:57:12 PM
Danka!
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Post by: Atkinsmatt on August 27, 2015, 10:16:37 PM
Great work. Bring some fuel back next time you are at the getting place.  Fat lady close?
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 08:34:22 AM
Great work. Bring some fuel back next time you are at the getting place.  Fat lady close?
Yep, she's close at hand!
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Post by: OldKooT on August 28, 2015, 10:13:23 AM
You do realize Don if you start it at some point, they will then pressure you to drive it as well?   :)
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Post by: Armalite on August 28, 2015, 11:50:33 AM
Nice job Don....

Little late to the party for this suggestion, but oh well, gonna throw it out there anyway...

On the receiver tube that you welded into the bottom of the bumper, not sure if you did, but should have welded a backing plate onto the end of the square tubing facing the front of the truck.  That would keep all the mud and debris out of the tube, which will allow for continuous ease of operation when removing the receiver hitch.  Just notice that around here local, that tube will fill up with sand, grit, mud, dirt, even rocks...  This will in turn, cause the receiver hitch to seize up, and prove to be quite hard to remove from the tube... 

Just a thought... 

Keep on....  8)
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Post by: moto123 on August 28, 2015, 01:30:37 PM
I guess the receiver hitch preference is based on location and terrain.  Because I would prefer to leave the receiver open at both ends so that when you back into large pile of dirt or snow and pack it full, you can just push it the rest of the way through and avoid digging it all back out of there.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 28, 2015, 01:34:35 PM
I just always leave a hitch in mine, that seems to work for me anyway.
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 01:49:56 PM
You do realize Don if you start it at some point, they will then pressure you to drive it as well?   :)
Yep, reckon so

These people and their demands!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 01:52:45 PM
I just always leave a hitch in mine, that seems to work for me anyway.
I'll leave the pintle hitch in there...Maybe paint some teeth on its sides

So that when that Kia comes up too fast

It can go munchin' through the plastic grill and radiator!
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Post by: Nate on August 28, 2015, 02:11:41 PM
did we just get a sighting of ash?
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Post by: KensAuto on August 28, 2015, 04:07:03 PM
Ash is assuming (wrongfully?) that this truck will:
#1- Run
#2- Run long enough to leave the comfort of Don's garage.
#3- Run and go into gear.
#4- Run, go into gear, and steer
#5- Run, drive, steer, and go offroad, through mud or snow.



 8)
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Post by: Sammconn on August 28, 2015, 04:49:45 PM
Ash is assuming (wrongfully?) that this truck will:
#1- Run
#2- Run long enough to leave the comfort of Don's garage.
#3- Run and go into gear.
#4- Run, go into gear, and steer
#5- Run, drive, steer, and go offroad, through mud or snow.



 8)
Now there's a BIG pokedon!
I truly hope you're wrong Ken.
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Post by: KensAuto on August 28, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
I might get fired again after that one.  :-[
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 28, 2015, 06:04:53 PM
Bout the same as getting a raise.  2x0=0. :0


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Post by: cudakidd53 on August 28, 2015, 06:29:20 PM
I cannot wait to see the demand for Kia body panels, the day that Square D thunders to life and starts to crawl the Mall- buy stock now and cash in!
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Post by: Sammconn on August 28, 2015, 06:40:21 PM
And the parking tailgate assembly was blasted and primed. I didn't get around to a final coat for that gentleman just yet
If memory serves me correctly, this is the final part to paint and install folks!

I see in the near future diesel pouring into the tank... 8)
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Post by: Nate on August 28, 2015, 06:43:24 PM
ken, you forgot being able to stop???
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Post by: EL TATE on August 28, 2015, 06:57:36 PM
Kias make for good braking fodder.
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Post by: OldKooT on August 28, 2015, 08:20:52 PM
Around here he'd have to drive around a few hours looking for a Kia LOL

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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:32:34 PM
I see the natives have been restless!

Just came back from seeing the Christian movie "War Room"

Man that was a keeper! A big win for we believers!

OK, worked some more on the bumper project. Started with covering up the cables underneath with abrasion resistant anti-chafe loom
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:33:33 PM
And securing wiring all over the place under there
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:34:54 PM
With that, I turned the bat disconnect handle and plugged in the remote control and just like that the winch sprang to life!
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
That bed liner I sprayed on the tire lowering assembly turned out pretty good I think
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:37:17 PM
I had to tap out all the bolt holes to cleat the coatings that strayed in there
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:38:09 PM
With that done, on went the upper and lower latches
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:39:26 PM
Next I made up some of those clip lanyards we had spoken about earlier
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:41:10 PM
Yup, liked that!

It put me in a Jack painting sort of mood, so I did that, giving the jack a through cleaning then a fresh coat of the plasti-Dip stuff
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:41:57 PM
I dropped the jack base onto a 2" closed cell block of foam
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:43:03 PM
I test fitted the new 9/18 X 18 fine thread grade 8 bolts which will hold the tire rack securely in place (I hope)
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:44:26 PM
Since the back up lights are partially obscured, I added in an additional 6 cell LED light module under the fuel can mount
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:47:27 PM
Now today was all about sand blasting and priming the tire rack. However both bags of sand I purchased were wet!

Yep, wet, as in self clogging. After fighting with the stuff for awhile, I threw in the towel. I tried putting it in a bucket to dry. That was too slow. So I poured it onto the ground and spread it about. That just made a big mess, more so than one of the pre-ranger's rooms. So it was hopeless.

I got this much done:
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 28, 2015, 11:48:25 PM
And that right there, was that!
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Post by: akraven on August 29, 2015, 01:40:14 AM
It's looking great Don. Can't wait to see it all painted and reassembled.
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Post by: JR on August 29, 2015, 04:33:48 AM
Don, I think you need a few "hard points" just to round it all out,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ken really lifted the challenge level a tad or so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Wait, the hood is open,,,,getting ready for something?
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 29, 2015, 09:28:58 AM
Don, I think you need a few "hard points" just to round it all out,,,,,,,,,,,,,
...A few more....?
Ken really lifted the challenge level a tad or so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Hmmm, something is afoot here...
Wait, the hood is open,,,,getting ready for something?
A clue perhaps?
Hmmm
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Post by: husker77c on August 29, 2015, 10:24:39 AM
I've been thinking you need some rock sliders/steps that tie into the bumpers with tube. Arched up around the fender well.  I've been designing that in my head for the ford.   Would allow the arch nemesis Kia to inflict less damage.
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Post by: Sammconn on August 29, 2015, 12:05:43 PM

Wait, the hood is open...

Holy smokes! It is open.
And Don says a clue perhaps.
And the bumper is nearing completion.

This thing may actually be turned over... 8)
And may actually run...

On a serious note looking great there chief!

The plastidip on the high lift jack (jack-all as I know it, farm kid) may only just look good. I suspect once the jack is used it will peel off the post.

Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on August 29, 2015, 01:24:22 PM
He did mention the exo-skeleton and has to do the spring flip.

To keep crud out of the reciever, they have a plastic plugs. Not permanent and cheap.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: akraven on August 29, 2015, 10:52:59 PM
Don, I think you need a few "hard points" just to round it all out,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Are those the points he is going to put on for  helicopter lift points for insertions?   ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 29, 2015, 10:57:27 PM

Wait, the hood is open...

Holy smokes! It is open.
And Don says a clue perhaps.
And the bumper is nearing completion.

This thing may actually be turned over... 8)
And may actually run...

On a serious note looking great there chief!

The plastidip on the high lift jack (jack-all as I know it, farm kid) may only just look good. I suspect once the jack is used it will peel off the post.


That plasti dip is only a corrosion barrier, little more
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 30, 2015, 04:57:20 PM
we want video of start up......
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on August 30, 2015, 05:07:49 PM
we want video of start up......
Heck, I think we'd even settle for take two or whatever the successful one is.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 30, 2015, 05:18:53 PM
demanding bunch, eh Don?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 30, 2015, 06:48:50 PM
we want video of start up......
I figured you would
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 30, 2015, 07:26:12 PM
You could probably sell tickets and set up bleachers. Nate can run concessions and make some serious coin on que


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on August 31, 2015, 12:39:03 AM
Pay per view??
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on August 31, 2015, 03:26:38 PM
If Nate's gonna be there cooking, it better be "Smellavision" so Bobby can really "hate Nate" in his loving way.  I also want to smell that "break-in" smell of new metal being heated up, burning off sweat and oil for the first time.  Petroleum derivatives being unleashed into the atmosphere, bunny huggers wailing in agony and the Global Warming crowd phoning Al Gore to complain!  Gotta catch the impish grin that'll be plastered across Don's face as visions of KIA encounters and Prius pushing dance in his head.....that smell.....that gasoline smell..........VICTORY!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on August 31, 2015, 06:11:11 PM
If Nate's gonna be there cooking, it better be "Smellavision" so Bobby can really "hate Nate" in his loving way.  I also want to smell that "break-in" smell of new metal being heated up, burning off sweat and oil for the first time.  Petroleum derivatives being unleashed into the atmosphere, bunny huggers wailing in agony and the Global Warming crowd phoning Al Gore to complain!  Gotta catch the impish grin that'll be plastered across Don's face as visions of KIA encounters and Prius pushing dance in his head.....that smell.....that DIESEL smell..........VICTORY!

I fixed it for yah mike
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 31, 2015, 08:24:19 PM
As good as your que is Nate, no one would be paying attention to Dons truck....


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on August 31, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
I would at least announce a pause in feeding for the start up..............;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 09:57:19 PM
^^^ The natives have been restless again, I see!

OK, got the tire mount tail gate thing painted today...Finally

Started like this:
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 09:58:02 PM
Then I blasted it with 100 pounds of sand
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 09:59:30 PM
Then washed it with solvent and sprayed a heavy coat of self etching acid rich primer, the stuff from Summit Racing
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:01:15 PM
Then it got two medium coats of the Valspar, John Deere Blitz Black with hardener

Here's the first coat
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:02:07 PM
And the final coat
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rasimmo on August 31, 2015, 10:04:16 PM
I am starting to think you went and bought a Kia for testing purposes.
Tire carrier looks great.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:05:00 PM
I'll spray some rubberized undercoating on some suspected rust and abrasion prone areas, then mount that thing back onto the truck.

I spent some time on Big Red, evaluating the upcoming paint job and getting my thoughts together. Red will make a color change first so I can ship it down to the farm and get it working, then will come the part everyone has been waiting so (im)patiently for!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:06:22 PM
I am starting to think you went and bought a Kia for testing purposes.
Tire carrier looks great.
That piece of junk belongs to my step daughter. She locked both sets of keys in it today, so it stayed right there where all the high velocity sand and paint overspray was hanging out...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rasimmo on August 31, 2015, 10:09:41 PM
Red will make a color change first so I can ship it down to the farm and get it working, then will come the part everyone has been waiting so (im)patiently for!

That wasn't part of Redneck's sig quote.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:22:40 PM
Red will make a color change first so I can ship it down to the farm and get it working, then will come the part everyone has been waiting so (im)patiently for!

That wasn't part of Redneck's sig quote.
Guess he'll have to fix that

The next time after tomorrow, that I work on Square D will be for the purpose of getting some compression happening under the hood...But Red will come in next
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on August 31, 2015, 10:28:37 PM
I knew it.
I knew there would be an "and den..."

Looking good Don.
At least the Kia is black. Lol. And it's jus a Kia.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: JR on September 01, 2015, 02:42:08 AM
I think that KIA has come up in other post with similar results.

You could just "test" the bumper on it and tell her the favor you did for her,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on September 01, 2015, 03:09:05 AM
I would at least announce a pause in feeding for the start up..............;D

I'm more than capable of eating while listening/watching D2 start up. Good BBQ should never be allowed to waste time sitting on a plate.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 01, 2015, 07:03:31 AM
You know why good Q spends time on a plate and bacon doesn't?  There's a knife involved choppin' so fingers might contaminate it!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on September 01, 2015, 08:20:42 AM
You know why good Q spends time on a plate and bacon doesn't?  There's a knife involved choppin' so fingers might contaminate it!

Both BBQ and bacon can be consumed with nothing more than fingers as utensils, while neither couth nor accepted at fine dining establishments or people's dining room table, it is a viable option.  ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Nate on September 01, 2015, 11:22:21 AM
;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on September 01, 2015, 02:50:12 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on September 01, 2015, 05:16:47 PM
I never leave options off the table... get it???  ;D





I crack myself up sometimes.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Tedram on September 01, 2015, 05:40:38 PM
Looks great Don! I was a faithful daily follower of this build on the "Other" site and joined you here after you started this site. However work and life interrupted my ability to follow along as you moved forward.  Well after catching up on the build all I can say is WOW. Thanks for sharing your talent, wisdom and experience for everyone.
However, I must add that when I started to catch up (around part 3) I never thought I would get to the end (current status) and still not hear that thing run.
I'm not sure what it is that makes us all want to hear Square D fire up, maybe the memories of when as teenagers we threw a new (newer) engine in one of our trucks and then we could not wait to turn the key-- We are reliving that moment with you now.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 01, 2015, 07:01:08 PM
You know why good Q spends time on a plate and bacon doesn't?  There's a knife involved choppin' so fingers might contaminate it!

Both BBQ and bacon can be consumed with nothing more than fingers as utensils, while neither couth nor accepted at fine dining establishments or people's dining room table, it is a viable option.  ;D

I WASN'T talking about fingers still attached, rather the severed ones doing the contaminating!  ;D
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:06:29 PM
I'm chuckling about all the start it up comments.

It's going to happen (I hope) and that should be next

For today, I got the swing away gate installed and operating.

The extra bracing I installed on it really stiffened it up. It was sitting maybe an inch higher than before and with full weight drooped to just touching the bumper in the travel position.

So before I cut the grass, I hoisted that beast up and got three bolts in it to hold things in place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:07:08 PM
I'll be using mostly stainless hardware
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:08:22 PM
The spare tire lowering crank handle slipped into its mooring and got a piece of Velcro to hold it there
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
The water/fuel can carrier got a coat or two of rubberized undercoating
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:10:46 PM
The spare tire carrier will be held in place with these grade 8 fine thread 9/16 X 6" bolts and nylon locking nuts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:12:04 PM
The camp site support legs needed a coat of something so I gave them a shot of epoxy bed liner
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:13:14 PM
Next the tire winch was secured in place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:13:52 PM
Then the rollers after a liberal coat of grease
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:14:53 PM
Then the wheel lifting fixture
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:15:51 PM
And the wheel hoisted right up into place
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:17:05 PM
The top clamp was also secured with stainless allen head screws
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:18:39 PM
I made up the 1/8" steel cable lanyards for the securing pins of the carrier
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
Then the camp support legs were secured
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:21:09 PM
Need to lanyard those up as well.

The three water jugs fit just fine!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:22:18 PM
The spare was secured with two nuts. Only 2 b3cause I am going to switch to standard 9/16 X 18 lug nuts
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:24:04 PM
The jack base was subdued with some bulldog adhesion promoter and some cammo paint
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:24:47 PM
That looks better!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:25:51 PM
The gate latches were adjusted with some shimming washers until I got a perfect fit
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:27:27 PM
Here the cans and rack are being fitted for the Velcro and finally secured by the pile outer portion
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:29:08 PM
Various views of the new addition
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:30:12 PM
Hmmm, what is the correlation between these two devices?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:31:51 PM
I've been fighting with getting this wheel well molding to fit for a year now! Just took the tape off and NADA!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 08:32:50 PM
And that right there concludes a pretty busy build day #299
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: husker77c on September 01, 2015, 08:35:56 PM
Awesome as usual.

A little bit excited to see it com alive.

(http://i.imgur.com/uoa8Yt5.gif)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: KensAuto on September 01, 2015, 08:54:42 PM
Very professional looking boss man. I would be proud of that accomplishment . Good job.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Wilbur on September 01, 2015, 09:34:04 PM
Looks freakin awesome! AND I know you'll sleep well knowing no rust will appear on that HiLift base!  :D

Sorry....someone had ta say it....

It all looks really great!  ;)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 01, 2015, 09:48:04 PM
After all that work, I can't believe you're charging the battery of the electronic drive and going hybrid!  The gauge clearly shows no fuel present in the picture, and you're throwing the key away!

Poor sled dog pouting at the thought that he could get run over when you go stealth mode backing out to mall crawl..................or you're toying with us?

Duane, did your "Bat Phone" go off pitting you on alert status for "Run-away" duty?

START IT UP DON!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Sammconn on September 01, 2015, 10:50:37 PM
Don, that turned out totally perfect!
You need to stick the green water can in the middle to keep the camo appearance up.
Not sure on my thoughts of the red spashes on the various points but I think I'm diggin it.

Mike,I have a funny feeling he tried to sneak a start in.
And after build day 5,458 the quiescent drain on the battery had lowered it to an inefficient level.
As in it was dead, and wouldn't turn over.
Or maybe...

Well I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Dawg25385 on September 02, 2015, 12:17:46 AM
Bumper kit turned out great Don!


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: cruizng on September 02, 2015, 08:10:22 AM
Man! That is a ton of work and looks great. It really is fun to watch the progression of the build. Thanks again for taking the time to post it all and put up with us DOT's!  8)
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Atkinsmatt on September 02, 2015, 09:24:27 AM
Great work.  Things are looking good.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 02, 2015, 11:14:51 AM
Man! That is a ton of work and looks great. It really is fun to watch the progression of the build. Thanks again for taking the time to post it all and put up with us DOT's!  8)
My pleasure
It's really all for "His" glory, NOT MINE!
Seriously!
"All good fab in me came from him"

It's really not all that great. I'd say it is "Serviceable," Maybe even good, but certainly not great. Having said that I appreciate that all of you like it and are enjoying this wacky build. As long as it serves the fellowship of his people, I'll keep truckin' on with it...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Armalite on September 02, 2015, 11:23:17 AM
I say wait until next year to crank it...  Waited almost a year already, what's a few more months going to hurt?  Jan1 fire up party...  Who knows, the dodge may come with it's own "fireworks show" when you go to crank it...    ;D

Be fitting for the time of year...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 02, 2015, 01:32:40 PM
Wow! An Armalite sighting!!!


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Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: BobbyB on September 02, 2015, 03:10:05 PM
Wow! An Armalite sighting!!!

Just have to have Shawn pop up.
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 02, 2015, 05:11:34 PM
Ash says wait till next year...

As we all know, Ash knows what he is talkin' about...

So do I have a second on Ash's suggestion?
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rpar86 on September 02, 2015, 05:26:17 PM
I say start it tomorrow (day 300 - a nice round number) or in two months (day 365)...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 02, 2015, 05:33:24 PM
I say start it tomorrow (day 300 - a nice round number) or in two months (day 365)...
Well, I definitely want it sorted and drivable by 15 Oct...about when the market collapses...
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: rpar86 on September 02, 2015, 05:41:12 PM
I guess today is day 300 (9/2), not tomorrow (9/3).
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Starting to finish!!!
Post by: Flyin6 on September 02, 2015, 05:52:04 PM
I guess today is day 300 (9/2), not tomorrow (9/3).
Naw
I don't go by calendar days, but actual days I spend working on it. So if I don't work on the truck for another 5 days, the day I do will be build day 300

But I reserved that for part 7!
Title: Re: SquareD Part 6 Bumpers, Winches, wiring, lights, assembly
Post by: JR on September 02, 2015, 06:49:39 PM
Start it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But on the work, great. I like the jugs, but darn they are pricey. $50 each??

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