Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 19, 2021, 11:16:37 AM
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Ride quality is terrible as the torsion bars are cranked all the way up to fit 285/60R20 on ten wide wheels, that rub still after the suspension is maxed out completely.
The upper control arm rests firmly on the bottom bump stop. The suspension has zero down travel and causes what feels like a loose steering wheel when going over bumps of any kind
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 19, 2021, 11:19:46 AM
I have purchased some wheels and smaller tires So I can lower the suspension back to a regular operating position.
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Stock gmc wheels I think look great and I’ll get over the Denali emblem. 265/(?)R 18’s with one winter one them. They still have the rubber nubs on the tires for $600 bucks!!!
I’ll mount those today and set out for an alignment appointment this week and have them lower the trucks torsion bars
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 19, 2021, 11:23:30 AM
Question:
Do these aftermarket control arms come with good quality ball joints? Are the designed for rigors of a 1ton truck?
Second upgrade will be a quick buff with the polisher to get the imperfections out as soon as possible.
Third I’d like to get a chrome tip for this exhaust pipe that looks terrible
Then look at some of the options Banks performance has like a pedal monster or at least an Idash to regen when I want or clear and read codes
Anything else I’m missing folks?
Oh LED lights needed bad
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Post by: KensAuto on June 19, 2021, 11:50:49 AM
Might only be that way when using their knuckles tho .. (I have the 4-6" lift)
Maybe they're different on the newer ones but I would check it out.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 19, 2021, 02:36:39 PM
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 19, 2021, 04:20:13 PM
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 24, 2021, 03:03:00 PM
Should ship the 8th of July and I’ll have installed shortly after.
Until then. The suspension has been adjusted and I now have about a inch of down travel on the front. It rides really great compared to what it was. But….. it should ride better.
Also looking at a little inner fender trimming like the older 01-07 body style benefited so much from. Short readying says it’s the same process.
https://youtu.be/Usoa8LMUdvc
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 10, 2021, 04:34:56 PM
Diodedynamics sent me some fog lights and low beam lights for now
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Then I set out for the NorCal fender mod on the new truck.
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Now to install the inner fender well and tire back on
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 10, 2021, 06:02:11 PM
I got about 2 1/2 inches overall. I failed to measure what it was before. But from my previous finger check it went from three to four fingers of room
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 24, 2021, 06:43:53 PM
The angles of the cv axle leave some to be desired but as long at high torque boosted launches are not in the future it should ride along just fine
Here are some installed photos
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I can fit two fingers under the control arm instead of previously a business card wouldn’t fit.
The rear got a one inch block to match the front height needed to clear the 285/65r20 -44 offset wheels.
I have a decent amount of tire stick n out
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A nice set of front bad back mud flaps are on the order along with a new chrome exhaust to keep with the trend of chrome on the truck
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 24, 2021, 06:47:01 PM
ok with it that way. My day to day activities don’t involve a farm, ranch, dirt road driveway, the three times a year this truck goes off road will usually be followed by my 24’ enclosed trailer and no amount of lift and off-road capability will tow that off any serous off road trial. I’ll buy a Jew rubicon and have Shawn fix it up if need be in the future.
Until then this is what it is my four mile a day daily driver.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 24, 2021, 10:25:29 PM
Get a real lift kit and get the cv angles right. IMOI didn’t expect them to be so drastic but in order to clear these stupid offset wheels that’s as high as he needed to turn it up, the original plan was leave it low low and no block in the back. Until he started seeing the rubbing. Then up it went, I think it will get new wheels in the not so distant future and bring them in a little and down a good bit on lift. Putting the cv axle angles in a good position for long term use
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 26, 2021, 09:49:58 PM
First off
The kit is not maxed out all the way up.
I know the shocks from Rough Country and pure trash!
I did check my tore pressure and found them to be high for the type of driving. 65 in one, 50 in the other three. Thanks discount tire.
I adjusted the air down to 42 where I felt lots more comfortable via I am not towing.
How it feels:
The freeway has multiple overpasses and on them the joints from road to bridge the bumps can be rather aggressive if you will. The truck bounces one good solid bounce where I can still feel the suspension bottom out. Then it continues to bounce like the ghetto mini van with blow to hell shocks in the rear but it’s the front of my truck bouncing for three or four more bounces. Think sea sick.
I can see on the shaft of the shock it isn’t fully compressing, I don’t have a method to check the full drop except this idea of putting kids chalk on the rubber side of the stop and seeing if it rubs off when I return home? Other suggestions would be great
Otherwise the level kit is coming off, it will get set back to stock and drive as is or get and actual lift as suggested.
As it sits I flipping hate how it drives !!
Also the alignment shop has it again to center my steering wheel lol brand new truck and the wheel points to 10:30 not 12:00 and fix the toe in issue.
Otherwise any advise to fix the current problem would be great
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Post by: stlaser on July 27, 2021, 04:50:14 AM
Beyond that, any kit other than RC and some real shocks, sorry it’s a new Chevy not really in my wheel house on who’s kit to use I just know RC is the cheapest and crappiest way to go with any vehicle.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 27, 2021, 08:33:38 AM
Ok today was first drive on the highway for an extended period and wow it feels terrible!!! Looking for some input or thoughtsDave I think a lot of it is that the physics of the thing is working against you.
First off
The kit is not maxed out all the way up.
I know the shocks from Rough Country and pure trash!
I did check my tore pressure and found them to be high for the type of driving. 65 in one, 50 in the other three. Thanks discount tire.
I adjusted the air down to 42 where I felt lots more comfortable via I am not towing.
How it feels:
The freeway has multiple overpasses and on them the joints from road to bridge the bumps can be rather aggressive if you will. The truck bounces one good solid bounce where I can still feel the suspension bottom out. Then it continues to bounce like the ghetto mini van with blow to hell shocks in the rear but it’s the front of my truck bouncing for three or four more bounces. Think sea sick.
I can see on the shaft of the shock it isn’t fully compressing, I don’t have a method to check the full drop except this idea of putting kids chalk on the rubber side of the stop and seeing if it rubs off when I return home? Other suggestions would be great
Otherwise the level kit is coming off, it will get set back to stock and drive as is or get and actual lift as suggested.
As it sits I flipping hate how it drives !!
Also the alignment shop has it again to center my steering wheel lol brand new truck and the wheel points to 10:30 not 12:00 and fix the toe in issue.
Otherwise any advise to fix the current problem would be great
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Let me explain. Think of the control arms for a moment. Perhaps anchor the eraser of a pencil (Simulated control arm) to a point on a table top. Make a mark when the pencil is extended all the way out. Now droop the pencil several inches while holding the eraser in place. Make a second mark
Now compare the distance from a vertical reference between the first and second mark. Some difference, right? Well suspension arms should be running more or less flat, some droop perhaps, but not excessive like yours are now. When you hit a bump, the body accelerates downward. flattening the arms. Each arm is moving the body inward, and against the other arm. That sudden jolt is acting like a pinching moment where the suspension is shoving the body inward from both sides which in turn is trying to shove the suspension outward against the tires.
That is a dynamic binding of the suspension bodies and results in that abruptness. Now couple that with crappy shocks (RC) and tires with a lot of grip and you should have a pretty crappy ride...But at least you look good.
Remedy: Stock suspension angles and tire sizes or a properly designed suspension for the tire size you want to use.
By comparison, m 10 year old Fabtech 6" lift rides like butter.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 29, 2021, 12:17:29 AM
For some unknown reason the lift had grown 2” from when it left the shop.
I dropped it off to have the alignment fixed and to verify the install.
They showed me the measurements on paper from where they had the truck sitting and showed me where it had grown(?). For some reason it was sitting about at its maximum level of lift and they can not explain why. My ride was harsh at impact of highway bump because the front shocks had maxed out on drop. The bump stops where not catching it.
The owner of the shop assured me of hundreds of installs with very pleased customers and he had not had one complaint until me which put up red flags of a problem to him. He took it for a drive the Am and didn’t make it for down the highway before he knew something was very wrong, one exit was all he could stand. The investigation showed the level being way off, and that could very well be the difference in ride quality. They lowered the truck, took out the rear block, re aligned the thing and drove again and amazing it maintained good performance on the highway and he was happy with it. They called Me and asked if I would try it for a week snd see what I thought,
We talked about doing a zone 5” and new shocks to match, but wanted to have me run it for a min before I make a choice. But as for the drive home it all seems ok minus the junk shocks.
Tires rub a very little on the front bumper and inner fender well but a zip tie will fix that for a min
They also switched tires around and determined the 65-75 mph vib has to be tire wear or balance issue but on their tire machine was not able to do any more for it. He will get me a tire quote tomorrow as he waited in the parking lot after closing time.
All in all I will drive it for a week
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 29, 2021, 12:21:37 AM
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 29, 2021, 01:41:08 AM
https://performancetruckproducts.com/
Discount code Banks10
But I took advantage of their mistakes which I don’t know What happens after but I saved $160 bucks on my order which gave me my ram air, I dash, pedal monster, derringer program thingy, for $1400
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Post by: Flyin6 on July 29, 2021, 09:19:51 AM
Not sure about the current kits, but when i was shopping lift kits for both my Silverado in 2012 and my Suburban a couple years ago, I ruled out the zone kit. From what I recall there were the way expensive kits like Cognito and Fabtech, and one or two more (BDS??) which were quite expensive but that was because of all the extra engineering and associated parts in those kits. Then there was everyone else.
The big crossover point was with where the company decided to place the torsion bars. Cheap kits simply lowered the bars and you end up looking like you are carrying a ladder underneath the truck. I used Fabtech and was it Cognito on the burb, but the bracket required to tuck those torsion bars up where they belong amounted to a couple of substantial fixtures and the spindle to accommodate all that. The result was something I was very satisfied with. But that's just me.
If you just want to get tall and don't care about suspension pieces hanging out in the breeze, well, each to his own.
In summary: "No zone" or maybe just leave it stock.
Post by: EL TATE on July 29, 2021, 12:03:52 PM
This company here is violating their sales agreement with Banks Performance buy selling products below market price, it will be fixed by Saturday!
https://performancetruckproducts.com/
Discount code Banks10
But I took advantage of their mistakes which I don’t know What happens after but I saved $160 bucks on my order which gave me my ram air, I dash, pedal monster, derringer program thingy, for $1400
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It's happening all over the internet with the huge demand in truck and car parts. Companies are racing to the bottom on the lowest price bid to compete w/ Amazon to get the sale while cutting their throats in the same breath. I deal with it daily. Just ask Seth, half my stuff you can get on Amazon for less than i can manufacture it because they don't care about losing $$ on items because they make it hand over fist in subscriptions. point being, if Amazon is the seller, and it's several hundred under whatever everyone else is selling it for, buy it. might not ship, but if it does their loss and your gain. i can't win with forcing them to adjust MAP agreed upon pricing, so I'm letting people know about it so they get hosed in the margins. maybe after a while they'll see the losses add up...
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 29, 2021, 08:48:59 PM
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 30, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 30, 2021, 10:26:52 AM
Dave has officially entered “old man” territory. Welcome!I haven’t got my club member sticker in the mail yet but I feel very welcome so far.
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Did some freeway time in the truck yesterday. I’m pretty sure it’s just going to get some bilsteins shocks and call it good
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 30, 2021, 10:43:20 AM
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 30, 2021, 11:12:43 AM
I do plan on cutting some height out of these. Just a little tall on the fender but other wise I’m happy with em
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Post by: stlaser on July 30, 2021, 11:47:12 AM
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 30, 2021, 01:21:35 PM
Could always have em linex a stone guardI am not familiar with stone guard. What are those pal?
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Post by: stlaser on July 30, 2021, 08:21:09 PM
Could always have em linex a stone guardI am not familiar with stone guard. What are those pal?
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Linex bedliner sprayed in high impact areas. Like along rockers etc.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 31, 2021, 09:05:01 AM
Mostly clear line-XCould always have em linex a stone guardI am not familiar with stone guard. What are those pal?
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Linex bedliner sprayed in high impact areas. Like along rockers etc.
Post by: stlaser on July 31, 2021, 09:28:02 AM
Mostly clear line-XCould always have em linex a stone guardI am not familiar with stone guard. What are those pal?
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Linex bedliner sprayed in high impact areas. Like along rockers etc.
Yup, unless you want a two tone look……
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 31, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
So GM has a kind of texture product on the bottom of all the quarter panels that I think does similar to what your suggestion. It however doesn’t go excessively high up the bottom. Maybe three inches on the bottom of the door is allMostly clear line-XCould always have em linex a stone guardI am not familiar with stone guard. What are those pal?
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Linex bedliner sprayed in high impact areas. Like along rockers etc.
Yup, unless you want a two tone look……
Off getting window tint
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 31, 2021, 07:05:46 PM
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Under rear seat storage box installed
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Kids birthed at gift a complete hit!
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Window tint installed and clear as can be. Such an improvement over the cheap product that was on it before
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 04, 2021, 03:49:58 PM
First thoughts
wow lots and lots of information. Way beyond the usefulness of a regular user in my opinion. Install video was basic and to the point. How to start device could use some work for sure.
First drive was a little dicy I had some of the pedal control setting set a touch sensitive! I could skip the whole truck sideway with only a 1/4 press of the pedal! So back to the setting I went and turned everything down.
After fussing with it I gave up and messaged the rep from banks and I tell you what customer service is top notch!!! He sent me a message back, sent me his cell number, talked me through what it’s doing and I have an appointment to talk with him when I get back to the truck to do a complete reset, update and program it.
I’ll let ya know after that takes place
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Post by: Nate on August 04, 2021, 11:19:03 PM
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 05, 2021, 08:08:13 AM
Does it turn off the govenor?Sadly no it doesn’t yet. The gent I talked with last night says it’s in the works. Mid next year and possibly a software update or a new I dash
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Post by: KensAuto on August 05, 2021, 09:49:46 AM
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 05, 2021, 10:01:34 AM
However I didn’t cut my pipe back that far. That vent or slotted area is still intact it’s just behind the one I added.
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Post by: KensAuto on August 05, 2021, 02:36:11 PM
So it's still able to suck cooler air into those slots? To keep it from melting your bumper and fender when it regens? I haven't been on the DF forum in a while, so haven't kept up on that stuff.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 05, 2021, 10:17:37 PM
Gotcha,When looking at new trucks I jumped a little further then I had in years. Follow one or two threads but otherwise. Needed to brush up and learn the details on these new ones. I ll take a photo tonight when I get out to the garage of the inner and outer section
So it's still able to suck cooler air into those slots? To keep it from melting your bumper and fender when it regens? I haven't been on the DF forum in a while, so haven't kept up on that stuff.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 05, 2021, 11:29:35 PM
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Post by: KensAuto on August 05, 2021, 11:51:58 PM
I wouldn't do anything to change the function of that section. During regen the exhaust can get over 1000 degrees. That "trumpet" sucks fresh air in so it drastically drops the temp before coming out (should help prevent burnt legs, fender paint, maybe even grass by the road!)
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 06, 2021, 12:32:07 AM
I would leave the little arms in tact just cut the reducer portion off and re install
The mrbp and banks exhaust is manufactured with out the horn/air flow vents and doesn’t cause any issue. Unless of course you walk past it. I think the idea is as long as the exhaust comes out past the body/bumper panels it should be fine. But again the direction would be nice to change. More out behind the tire instead of directed at the front corner of say… your camp trailer in tow
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 06, 2021, 12:37:09 AM
https://www.bankspower.com/i-2806-monster-exhaust-system-5-inch-single-exit-black-sidekick-tip-for-2017-2019-chevy-gmc-2500-3500-6-6l-duramax-l5pdcsb-dclb-ccsb-cclb-including-dually-models.html
Another option I have considered. Except it’s kind of pricy considering
https://dmaxstore.com/products/?route=product/product&product_id=6695
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 06, 2021, 01:55:46 PM
Regarding other exhausts or taking that piece out….a friend melted a $1300 Yeti on a receiver hitch rack by having an aftermarket exhaust. Kinda sucked
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Post by: KensAuto on August 06, 2021, 09:58:45 PM
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 06, 2021, 10:25:24 PM
Yeah I like that 90 degree turn out that puts it out the side of the truck seems lots more logical to me.
Time will tell I don’t know that the $ vs the HP gain is there
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 06, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 07, 2021, 12:41:27 AM
I seen some led strip lights that run just under the door jam. I don’t order them but boy was I tempted lol
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 07, 2021, 07:20:06 AM
That's what I was talking about. It's called "Chip Guard" and is clean and not as textured. I'm redoing my Chevy with the stuff shortlySo GM has a kind of texture product on the bottom of all the quarter panels that I think does similar to what your suggestion. It however doesn’t go excessively high up the bottom. Maybe three inches on the bottom of the door is allMostly clear line-XCould always have em linex a stone guardI am not familiar with stone guard. What are those pal?
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Linex bedliner sprayed in high impact areas. Like along rockers etc.
Yup, unless you want a two tone look……
Off getting window tint
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Post by: JR on August 08, 2021, 09:21:50 PM
I agree the tires sticking way out look stupid, never liked that.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 09, 2021, 12:00:03 AM
Goose neck and our Deere 60 mini x
Driving down the highway and a pretty steep grade. As I applied brake to stop at the light my truck began to violently buck forward. The trailer brakes had worked fine empty, the setting was up on the factory brake controller to 8.
I pushed through the light as I couldn’t hold on to my wheel and keep pushing the brake. I used the shoulder as traffic was coming through the light.
I tried standing on it with no change, I tried the baker manual application with no effect.
I unplugged the trailer thinking it was the issue. Zero changed!!!
As I still had miles to go with zero assistance on a Sunday I crept along. The brake bucking continued even at 15-20 mph stops just not as violent.
I took a detour and picked up one of our drivers and he verified my load and weight distribution of the load, he went for a ride to make sure I wasn’t ____in loosing it!!
Looking for any suggestion as this was absolutely bad bad bad.
Iv experienced swinging trailers, I know what a to much tongue weight and tail weight feels like and this was none of those!!!
The truck didn’t leave skid marks even and hard as I tried, it didn’t act or feel like ABS going off
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Post by: JR on August 09, 2021, 01:10:15 AM
Sounds like it was having a good time pushing you along, glad your OK.
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 09, 2021, 06:05:13 AM
Didd you verify the trailer brakes by manually activating the trailer brake controller while slowly coasting forward at 5-10mph?
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 09, 2021, 08:32:29 AM
Sorry Dave, sounds scary.Yes, I did as I was leaving our shop yard I checked with an empty trailer. Didn’t pull as hard as I would have liked but they slowed me down. I’m not sure if there are many setting on these brake controllers but I will be ordering an aftermarket that gives me some options like single, double, triple axle and that type
Didd you verify the trailer brakes by manually activating the trailer brake controller while slowly coasting forward at 5-10mph?
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Tekonsha 90195 P3 Electronic Brake Control + 3016-P Brake Control Wiring Adapter for GM https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZKZNZRP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_KE1WBMZGPE32WZG2PFAG?psc=1
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Post by: JR on August 09, 2021, 01:22:29 PM
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 09, 2021, 01:56:51 PM
I put one of theirs in at least 10 years ago, flawless.It’s what I have had on all my other trucks. Good quality product. And easy to use
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Post by: Nate on August 09, 2021, 05:09:17 PM
My truck is 1 year newer than yours, and other than the typical recalls from gm......i have not touched a darn thing and i have had absoutley ZERO problems. As a caveat....i dont drive slow, i drive it like i stole it.
I have litterally pulled several size trailers back and forth across this country with my current truck........and again, i have had ZERO problems with anything to include the factory brake controler.
As per our conversation this morning, my recommendation still stands!
Hook another trailer to your truck empty and test it in the yard. If no problems, load it up and test it in the yard.
If the problem continues, remove the banks and test again.
The chance of your factory brake controler going bad is about a million to 1.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 09, 2021, 10:37:37 PM
Nate,
Consider test complete. 30’ + feet of loaded steel snowmobile trailer and I had zero issues towing, pulling, stopping, rolling into a stop, stomping in the brakes. None!! 100% want to blame the gooseneck trailer.
It However left the yard to go to idaho and who knows when it will be back to try again.
I plan on moving another Hoe this weekend with a different trailer and I’ll again test this out…..
Dealership has an appointment for me on Tuesday next week to go over everything as the truck only has 1500 miles on it since the dealership.
I did have a lengthy call with jay from banks and he said 99.99 chance it’s not the banks but told me to get it to repeat the issue and pull the OBDII plug and test again. If that’s the issue he would like to have my stuff all back and look into it more. He also told me they are working on a exhaust brake upgrade for the truck model!!! I might be one of the first to demo it. Time will tell.
So I’m at a loss until other trailer appears.
Told the boss of the issue and he will have the trailer gone over
I kind of think it’s the flex in the steel frame of the neck. Pushing and pulling as it’s old as early 90’s and probably has some major fatigue
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Post by: Flyin6 on August 10, 2021, 08:39:05 PM
I mention it because perhaps the science could be the same, we just deal with it differently on roadways.
The problem is with sympathetic vibration. In the Chinook it is called "Thrust-bounce" as you are going along a vertical oscillation starts then continues to build as it goes from the load up through the sling ropes into the aircraft, up to the top of the aircraft and is reflected downward. The magnitude increases until something breaks
We have to have at least three feet of nylon loop somewhere between the aircraft and the load to absorb the shock waves instead of transferring them.
I've mentioned this before here, but one day in the Korea, I hooked up to something heavy and away I went. Something weighing like 15,000. when I leveled off around 2500 AGL the helicopter started to buck violently up and down for maybe 10 seconds then the sling loop of 1" wire rope snapped apart and the load fell to the ground.
With trailers of various lengths you have a good set of variables, so does it do this with just the one trailer or with all trailers. A shorter trailer may not allow the vibration to set up, where maybe a different length may. You don't experience one continuous power force emitting from the driveshaft, but one every time a piston fires. Yes they may be minute and short lived, but could they harmonize with something you are pulling?
I don't know, and it sounds crazy, but it is real. I'll bet trucks are just not subject to the science that flying things are, and there is probably strange things that happen that could be attributed to sympathetic vibrations...
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 25, 2021, 12:19:08 AM
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Added some new shocks and I tell ya what a world of difference. No more freeway bouncing, no more question what my steering will do in a corner. It’s solid!
The tough country junk shocks were so soft I could compress them with my body weight on the ground. These bilsteins on the other hand I couldn’t make them budge! Next to get delivered will be a steering arm and I’ll install that ASAP!!
Yet another happy customer for these well made shocks!
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 08, 2021, 05:25:57 PM
I think its the triple axles that makes it for me.
Not very heavy, really for that truck, you should be fine with it
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 08, 2021, 10:23:24 PM
Is the trailer empty? Seems light.Trailer is 100% empty, no fuel water, propane, heck not even mattresses
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I tried the pucks I was mentioned to try.
Daystar, Air Bag Cradle designed... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0084ROJBM?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
The video looks very promising in their advertisements, but the design was good but very poor execution, Bolt pattern was off, cheap hardware, and the one size fits all didn’t work on my pickup, I tried to modify or cobblefab to make it work but after a few hours of futzing with it I tossed em in the garbage can.
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Post by: Flyin6 on November 17, 2021, 04:08:52 PM
Put the airbags on tonight, what a pain in the a$$!!Surprising news Dave. I am using those Daystar cradles on the Air-Lift 5K bags on my suburban.
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I tried the pucks I was mentioned to try.
Daystar, Air Bag Cradle designed... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0084ROJBM?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
The video looks very promising in their advertisements, but the design was good but very poor execution, Bolt pattern was off, cheap hardware, and the one size fits all didn’t work on my pickup, I tried to modify or cobblefab to make it work but after a few hours of futzing with it I tossed em in the garbage can.
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Hope you have it sorted out where it is trouble free.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 17, 2021, 04:12:19 PM
Don I tossed em in the box and installed with factory instructions.Put the airbags on tonight, what a pain in the a$$!!Surprising news Dave. I am using those Daystar cradles on the Air-Lift 5K bags on my suburban.
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I tried the pucks I was mentioned to try.
Daystar, Air Bag Cradle designed... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0084ROJBM?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
The video looks very promising in their advertisements, but the design was good but very poor execution, Bolt pattern was off, cheap hardware, and the one size fits all didn’t work on my pickup, I tried to modify or cobblefab to make it work but after a few hours of futzing with it I tossed em in the garbage can.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 04, 2021, 10:30:12 PM
Fifty psi in the air bags is enough to hold the truck level but not enough to compensate for the moving bounding weight of this trailer. I’ll move up to seventy pounds next move and see what happens!
What’s the max psi you guys have comfortably ran in these air bag systems?
My LBZ I don’t think I ever needed more then 25 psi to hold our gooseneck that has thousands more pounds on it.
Just curious
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2021, 10:09:50 AM
Towed the trailer today to clean the black and grey tanks with some cleaner stuff then to empty, I went down I-15 for a ways to properly beat tar out of me, trailer, truck, truck suspension.Dave just as a comparo, I use loads of air pressure in my 5K bags too.
Fifty psi in the air bags is enough to hold the truck level but not enough to compensate for the moving bounding weight of this trailer. I’ll move up to seventy pounds next move and see what happens!
What’s the max psi you guys have comfortably ran in these air bag systems?
My LBZ I don’t think I ever needed more then 25 psi to hold our gooseneck that has thousands more pounds on it.
Just curious
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So much that I am thinking of purchasing 7500# bags and seeing if I can fit those
Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 05, 2021, 10:15:37 AM
Your thinking the larger bag will take less air to lift?Towed the trailer today to clean the black and grey tanks with some cleaner stuff then to empty, I went down I-15 for a ways to properly beat tar out of me, trailer, truck, truck suspension.Dave just as a comparo, I use loads of air pressure in my 5K bags too.
Fifty psi in the air bags is enough to hold the truck level but not enough to compensate for the moving bounding weight of this trailer. I’ll move up to seventy pounds next move and see what happens!
What’s the max psi you guys have comfortably ran in these air bag systems?
My LBZ I don’t think I ever needed more then 25 psi to hold our gooseneck that has thousands more pounds on it.
Just curious
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So much that I am thinking of purchasing 7500# bags and seeing if I can fit those
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Post by: Sammconn on December 05, 2021, 11:53:11 AM
Having the trailer empty may be inducing odd ride traits that won’t be there properly outfitted.
Post by: KensAuto on December 05, 2021, 03:51:41 PM
Only difference might be I put shock absorbing shackles on the trailer a while back when I lifted it.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 05, 2021, 04:02:37 PM
Took my fully loaded Raptor and truck to Idaho at 65psi. Floating and bucking is just part of the game.Ken I might make a phone call to ya this week, I’d like your input on what you call bucking. I honest feel like this trailer is going to rip the back of my truck off, I don’t know if it’s the fifthwheel hitch I added, the lack of tail weight in this trailer or what but I’m
Only difference might be I put shock absorbing shackles on the trailer a while back when I lifted it.
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Post by: Flyin6 on December 05, 2021, 04:19:08 PM
Yes, and with more load capability, less squat with less air. PSI over square inches and all that...Your thinking the larger bag will take less air to lift?Towed the trailer today to clean the black and grey tanks with some cleaner stuff then to empty, I went down I-15 for a ways to properly beat tar out of me, trailer, truck, truck suspension.Dave just as a comparo, I use loads of air pressure in my 5K bags too.
Fifty psi in the air bags is enough to hold the truck level but not enough to compensate for the moving bounding weight of this trailer. I’ll move up to seventy pounds next move and see what happens!
What’s the max psi you guys have comfortably ran in these air bag systems?
My LBZ I don’t think I ever needed more then 25 psi to hold our gooseneck that has thousands more pounds on it.
Just curious
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So much that I am thinking of purchasing 7500# bags and seeing if I can fit those
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 05, 2021, 05:25:59 PM
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 05, 2021, 06:56:06 PM
I like the simplicity of it that might work pretty slic
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Post by: KensAuto on December 05, 2021, 07:33:09 PM
Let's just say none of us got any sleep while passing through SLC on that I-15, but by the time we hit Idaho Falls, we all crashed and burned in the Love's parking lot. LolTook my fully loaded Raptor and truck to Idaho at 65psi. Floating and bucking is just part of the game.Ken I might make a phone call to ya this week, I’d like your input on what you call bucking. I honest feel like this trailer is going to rip the back of my truck off, I don’t know if it’s the fifthwheel hitch I added, the lack of tail weight in this trailer or what but I’m
Only difference might be I put shock absorbing shackles on the trailer a while back when I lifted it.
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... the previous couple years we drove straight through.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 22, 2021, 08:16:38 PM
They push over the rubber pretty snug, I like the metal texture better then the rubber, they don’t block the back lighting any.
They did have color options like red or blue
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 04, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
I finally caved and drove 40 min to the shop in SLC and had the good ol boy who I have used for years until I moved north.
All alignments cost a min of $70 as advertised, the recheck produced nothing wrong in their eyes but the pull continued!!
Dan down at Jacks Tire & oil got me fixed up with .5 degree of camber being off. Told me adjusting that should fix it, charged me $30 bucks and driving home I called the shop manager, complimented him on his great service, great experience time and time again and reminded him good employees are hard to find and he had better keep them happy!!!!
10 years of service ( we looked today on my customer history) and I am still happy with one store!!
Truck drove home smooth, straight and zero pull. Oh so much nicer
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Post by: JR on January 04, 2022, 07:30:24 PM
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 04, 2022, 09:11:08 PM
I have a 70 year old dude that does all my alignments. He’s the best I ever met. He knows all the tricks
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Post by: KensAuto on January 05, 2022, 10:48:11 AM
The tech isn't going to change the numbers if it's in the range, test drive, rerack the truck, tweak it some more, etc. because chances are he won't be compensated.
This is one reason I don't do them. I can't compete on the pricing without selling people other work. Hard to be 100% honest going that route imo.
I had a system on loan from Snap on a few years ago. I spent almost 3 hours getting my truck dialed in, partially because of lack of experience, but regardless, that would've been $250 if it was charged out.
Post by: JR on January 05, 2022, 11:01:44 AM
I may try this new guy who still uses the old bubble setup next time if he's available.
Post by: KensAuto on January 05, 2022, 09:11:53 PM
Ken, its not hard to be 100% honest. You do what makes you $$ and don't bull the customer. Out here $100 is a standard price and I see why.It's not hard for people like us, but I've seen enough from the other shops in our town to know honesty is not the norm. Peace meal work breeds greed and dishonesty. Maybe not always straight up theft, but a lot of grey areas.
I may try this new guy who still uses the old bubble setup next time if he's available.
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0/10 wouldn’t recommend this junk, hardware crap, instructions were crap, alignments crap, build quality is just above spray painted black cardboard.
It’s aluminum and black. That’s about all it has going for it until I find something better and or house extra lights
But protected for now
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 09, 2022, 03:16:29 PM
Seemed to go easy enough. Sure wish GM would figure out the filter spill off so it doesn’t run down the whole mess of suspension components there under the filter.
Didn’t instal the fumoto valve and hose I put together as I didn’t like how low it would hang.
All in all 10qrt and off to the races for another 5k miles
Also sprayed the drive axle with amsoil under carriage sealer stuff
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Post by: JR on March 10, 2022, 10:58:55 AM
I run semi synthetic, good compromise.
Post by: Sammconn on March 10, 2022, 11:45:26 AM
I upgraded my filter to the big cat unit, after 5k the oil looks clean. Better than when I had the bypass system.What filter you running Fred?
I run semi synthetic, good compromise.
I dropped my bypass, but miss the cleaner oil.
Post by: JR on March 10, 2022, 12:32:37 PM
From Dons thread. Filter and adapter on ebay and amazon.
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2022, 03:54:57 PM
http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=4078.msg116527#msg116527I can testify. That huge CAT filter with its adapter is getting it done. Amsoil and bypass = waste of money in my opinion. I've been on straight dino, Delvac, now for years and on the CAT filter for a couple of cycles. Good setup for the D-max IMHO
From Dons thread. Filter and adapter on ebay and amazon.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 10, 2022, 08:39:10 PM
Iv had good results from the oil and have nothing bad to say about it.
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2022, 09:39:18 PM
Our shelf’s are empty of all types of oil. Coworker came to me a few weeks ago and asked if could still get amsoil. So I ordered him up enough for three changes. I ordered me one.Dave, what do you mean, your shelves are empty of all kinds of oil?
Iv had good results from the oil and have nothing bad to say about it.
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Post by: KensAuto on March 10, 2022, 11:07:58 PM
Post by: JR on March 10, 2022, 11:11:13 PM
Was at NAPA today getting filters, 5 gallon buckets were $150!!!
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 10, 2022, 11:19:02 PM
The co worker said he went to all our local box stores looking for rotel oil and the blue bottle I can’t remember the name, shelves were empty,Our shelf’s are empty of all types of oil. Coworker came to me a few weeks ago and asked if could still get amsoil. So I ordered him up enough for three changes. I ordered me one.Dave, what do you mean, your shelves are empty of all kinds of oil?
Iv had good results from the oil and have nothing bad to say about it.
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Post by: JR on March 10, 2022, 11:44:16 PM
TSC had some, and you can buy online so you know its there. Need 15gal of hydro now for the Cat.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 25, 2022, 11:01:52 PM
The wheel wells are so terrible for that fine road sand they spread in the snow. Add into the dirty roads mixed with our shop parking lot being just road base.
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You prime the plastic black, they spray adhesive and use a sift to sprinkle the fibers over the glue, we repeated the process a few times to give a thicker coverage.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on April 16, 2022, 02:30:31 PM
The glue comes out in a spitting type texture, not smooth like a paint sprayer. Hindsight we could have used a cheaper aerosol can type glue but it’s not what we had, It has some texture, the glue left some high spots. But it looks “good enough” until I decide it doesn’t look good at all
I have considered getting them paint matched to the grey metallic dash pieces but that would be far more expensive then what I did do.
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 17, 2022, 08:22:58 PM
It wasn’t major but I couldn’t let it go
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I tried to catch the partial fix the local body shop did with a photo but I wasn’t able to.
Regardless I could see it I’m my driver side mirror after the fix. So every time I looked in my mirror I seen it.
I dropped it off 05/09/22 and he called me yesterday the 05/16 to come get it.
In the direct light it looked fantastic. On the ride home I noticed it in my mirror. So today I drove back.
The owner was out on a parts run and when he returned he seen the spot before he even made it inside and went and found the tec, a sanding block and proceeded to sand it on the spot!
After dealing with the employee and showing him his error he then told me he needed my truck for a few days lol
I of course agreed and he promised 100% satisfaction next time. They don’t too comebacks and he was pretty hot with the employee.
This is what he sanded down in five seconds
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Note the blue/green color?
That’s all high and what was causing my reflection line to be off.
Wish I could have got a photo of it to clarify but it just didn’t work.
Body work is hard to do and do flawlessly.
I did warn him when I dropped it off I was very a detailed person in what I see and do, I can’t say he didn’t know what he was getting into
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She’s gone !!
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Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 06, 2022, 08:29:02 PM
With fuel prices I bet all kinds are on lots right now with low miles. I could NOT do 80k for a new truck, but thats me.I was hoping the purchases would slow but everything I have read on them is GM is still controlling or slowing the production of trucks. Mines doesn have a build date yet. Been on order for four week already
I paid 62 for this past truck, sold for 65, drove it for a year, plus so dodads but otherwise, the in and out at the dealership kept me about $5k ahead with taxes also for the new one
So I figure I’m $8k ahead towards the new truck. Then all my payments I won’t be making till the new one comes in. So I’ll have a good bunch to put back into it.
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Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 06, 2022, 09:06:06 PM
Win winWith fuel prices I bet all kinds are on lots right now with low miles. I could NOT do 80k for a new truck, but thats me.I was hoping the purchases would slow but everything I have read on them is GM is still controlling or slowing the production of trucks. Mines doesn have a build date yet. Been on order for four week already
I paid 62 for this past truck, sold for 65, drove it for a year, plus so dodads but otherwise, the in and out at the dealership kept me about $5k ahead with taxes also for the new one
So I figure I’m $8k ahead towards the new truck. Then all my payments I won’t be making till the new one comes in. So I’ll have a good bunch to put back into it.
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Post by: JR on June 06, 2022, 11:36:30 PM
Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 07, 2022, 12:55:57 AM
No it’s not the diesel but it’s been a decent enough turd for 200k miles
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Post by: Flyin6 on June 07, 2022, 08:35:38 AM
I'm sort of headed the opposite direction
Staying with the 2011 LML. No payments since 2012, with 140K it will last another 10 years. We pay taxes on property (vehicles) in the tuck. A new truck = $1,000 taxes per year. My d-max is hanging in around upper $300's and the 02 Burb a paltry $69! New trucks are so packed with technology (That costs money and breaks down) which to me is more take than give. Plus, taking advantages of the mods for another decade. Finally, driving a more classic truck in my view is cool.
Having said that, keeping vs buying new is an individual choice. Totally cool buying a sweet new Dually. I look forward to this coming story.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 07, 2022, 01:39:06 PM
Man, right out of the blue!Please see other posts. Glad I’m not roped into the new one yet. Now fuel to drive it no point in having it
I'm sort of headed the opposite direction
Staying with the 2011 LML. No payments since 2012, with 140K it will last another 10 years. We pay taxes on property (vehicles) in the tuck. A new truck = $1,000 taxes per year. My d-max is hanging in around upper $300's and the 02 Burb a paltry $69! New trucks are so packed with technology (That costs money and breaks down) which to me is more take than give. Plus, taking advantages of the mods for another decade. Finally, driving a more classic truck in my view is cool.
Having said that, keeping vs buying new is an individual choice. Totally cool buying a sweet new Dually. I look forward to this coming story.
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