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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500
« Reply #650 on: January 08, 2019, 12:29:16 PM »
I say........PARTY at GLO    :grin:


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« Reply #651 on: January 08, 2019, 01:00:14 PM »
I can make that work too ;-)


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« Reply #652 on: January 08, 2019, 02:06:44 PM »
Pinedale is a pretty area, I recall driving thru there on way to Jackson hole....
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« Reply #653 on: January 08, 2019, 03:04:24 PM »
Pinedale is a pretty area, I recall driving thru there on way to Jackson hole....

Yea that side of the state is nice mountain country. Lots of space to get away from people!

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« Reply #654 on: January 08, 2019, 07:37:02 PM »
Sounds like a nice drive, hitting a few parks too?

Nebraska, doesn't some OLD guy live out there?
he just wants some of the good home cookin from me..... :beercheers:

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One of my cousins lives there...
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« Reply #655 on: January 08, 2019, 07:38:28 PM »
I say........PARTY at GLO    :grin:


Sounds good, I'll try and figure about when i should be in that AO and you boneheads can back plan...Or just stand fast and I'll put the miles on the burb to find ya!
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« Reply #656 on: January 08, 2019, 07:41:04 PM »
OK with dirt packed under my fingernails, let me get this update done...

So like always, today's added value project is the mounting of a fire extinguisher.

It is going there, in the back
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« Reply #657 on: January 08, 2019, 07:42:58 PM »
I pulled the cup holder, cut the bottom off, fashioned up an aluminum strap to contain it, pop-riveted it on and stuck it back in the hole...Done!
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« Reply #658 on: January 08, 2019, 07:44:29 PM »
That fire killa' was a $20 item from HF

Then I checked the box the mailman left outside for the dogs to chew up

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« Reply #659 on: January 08, 2019, 07:45:58 PM »
Justin sent me this AutoCal which I plugged in to EFI live on line. Turns out I had a current edition of the V8 software so I'm good to go to start that process.
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« Reply #660 on: January 08, 2019, 07:47:24 PM »
Playing with my EFI now. Can't get several tunes I like much less stand alone V2 use.
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« Reply #661 on: January 08, 2019, 07:49:26 PM »
So back to the job at hand, removal of that pesky oil pump pickup bolt, I had to go to the store to purchase a 3/8" universal which I then used to loosen that final oil pan bolt. I found that by removing the skid plates, I could just barely see the bolt from the bottom looking upward through the sway bar/radiator opening

And with that and some considerable effort, I got the bolt out!
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« Reply #662 on: January 08, 2019, 07:49:55 PM »
Playing with my EFI now. Can't get several tunes I like much less stand alone V2 use.
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« Reply #663 on: January 08, 2019, 07:50:46 PM »
Next I pulled the oil pump
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« Reply #664 on: January 08, 2019, 07:52:50 PM »
The circle highlights the O ring that is the key to life with this motor

The arrows show just how loose the chain is in this 96K motor. I don't know what is normal, every cam that was ever put in one of my hot rod LS motors was done professionally...
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« Reply #665 on: January 08, 2019, 07:54:31 PM »
Then I pulled the timing gear and chain assembly, then the cam retainer, the lifter guides and the lifters
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« Reply #666 on: January 08, 2019, 07:56:25 PM »
But I did not have enough room to pull the cam. The radiator will have to come out

Man, this is turning out to be quite a job...Makes me wonder when I will get into the rear ring and pinion bearings because they preload the cam position sensor or some crap like that!
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« Reply #667 on: January 08, 2019, 07:57:07 PM »
I have the lifters and chain immersed in a bath of Mobil 1
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« Reply #668 on: January 08, 2019, 08:02:07 PM »
I had to pull the rad, condenser and cut the rad support open on spartan
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« Reply #669 on: January 08, 2019, 08:18:07 PM »
And I continued cleaning and painting stuff

Using more conventional paint products. I am getting over any and all John Deere products!
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« Reply #670 on: January 08, 2019, 08:20:06 PM »
I had to pull the rad, condenser and cut the rad support open on spartan
Mine is so close its painful. I can get the camshaft almost all the way out. When the dowel pin hits radiator the very last journal is about half of the way out of the block. I really only need about 3/4" to get it out/new one in! GRRRRRRRRR.......
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« Reply #671 on: January 08, 2019, 08:21:04 PM »
The pieces-parts are coming out pretty well so far
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« Reply #672 on: January 08, 2019, 08:22:19 PM »
I painted up the block so it would be dry tomorrow when I start reassembly
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« Reply #673 on: January 08, 2019, 08:24:50 PM »
And hit the frame and structural parts with rubberized undercoating while the area is uncluttered
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« Reply #674 on: January 08, 2019, 08:27:35 PM »
All of that will look much better with new suspension parts adding some color.

So, I'd say I am in the early reassembly stage. With rain and snow coming, I'll use the closed in time to try and finish this

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« Reply #675 on: January 08, 2019, 08:28:25 PM »
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« Reply #676 on: January 08, 2019, 08:29:40 PM »
So at this point the table is about at max density of pieces-parts. I look forward to clearing that all off again!
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« Reply #677 on: January 08, 2019, 09:05:49 PM »
I won't beat around the bush,  your pan will leak now,  but at least change the o-ring on that tube!  Maybe a couple more exclamations for affect..
.....!!!!!!.....
Sorry,  don't know about the tensioner...I thought the last ones I did (or paid the kid to do) had them.  There's also a tsb on those iirc. I'll see if I can find it.

Scratch that on the TSB, but I did see where a company makes a tensioner that fits the older blocks, if your concerned about it. I assume you're changing the set? Oh wait, you're even reusing the water pump . :sarcastic&fired
I think they started using them because of noise. To be honest, I've never seen one jump teeth, or make noise. ..but if I had JR's money, I would replace the gear and chain. Do it right the first time!
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« Reply #678 on: January 08, 2019, 09:23:24 PM »
I do believe that is an "I TOLD YOU SO" But what does Ken know anyway.

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« Reply #679 on: January 08, 2019, 09:30:07 PM »
Don, that fire extinguisher is a bit or lots too small to be effective by the time you get to it.

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« Reply #680 on: January 08, 2019, 10:22:09 PM »
Ya.... replace that timing set. Especially if your increasing valve spring pressure with that new cam.

As for your trip...schedule in extra time...that's often hail/twister season in the plains.

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« Reply #681 on: January 08, 2019, 10:44:14 PM »
Yep, you have it off and they do have HD chains.
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« Reply #682 on: January 08, 2019, 10:57:19 PM »
I say........PARTY at GLO    :grin:


Sounds good, I'll try and figure about when i should be in that AO and you boneheads can back plan...Or just stand fast and I'll put the miles on the burb to find ya!

New house is supposed to be done sometime around then. As you get closer to the trip keep in touch, we’ll figure it out.
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« Reply #683 on: January 09, 2019, 12:17:35 AM »
Hmm, I'll be in Idaho in May, hopefully. You can help me build a road...err I mean share some sweet tea under a shade tree.
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« Reply #684 on: January 09, 2019, 12:36:44 AM »
Don you may be able to just loosen up the top of the rad and then pull it forward a tad to get the clearance you need. The bottom just rests in rubber grommets I believe.

And if you’re out in these parts, I’m in Vancouver WA, depending if you come i84 to hippieville (Portland) or up i82 to i90 into Seattle. Or maybe I can even plan a trip up north and we can all get together with Tate and Dawg.


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« Reply #685 on: January 09, 2019, 01:11:09 AM »
While you have those inner genders Wells our it looks like the body pinch welds could be smoothed out for tire clearance.  Unless it’s been done and I can’t see

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« Reply #686 on: January 09, 2019, 08:14:08 AM »
I won't beat around the bush,  your pan will leak now,  but at least change the o-ring on that tube!  Maybe a couple more exclamations for affect..
.....!!!!!!.....
Sorry,  don't know about the tensioner...I thought the last ones I did (or paid the kid to do) had them.  There's also a tsb on those iirc. I'll see if I can find it.

Scratch that on the TSB, but I did see where a company makes a tensioner that fits the older blocks, if your concerned about it. I assume you're changing the set? Oh wait, you're even reusing the water pump . :sarcastic&fired
I think they started using them because of noise. To be honest, I've never seen one jump teeth, or make noise. ..but if I had JR's money, I would replace the gear and chain. Do it right the first time!
Dag-nabit!
I sure didn't want to hear that...
Even if I tried to squeeze in a new pan gasket, I bet it would leak because other than pulling the engine, I don't see how it is possible to get enough clearance to be able to lay in a gasket like that without ganking up something. The separation was small, maybe 1/4" was all I could manage. I am obviously wrong, but I had not read of oil pan leaks if you put a dab of silicone on it where the pan/block/tim1ng cover all meet.
I don't need timing chain tension, nor really want it. I was really just noting that this earlier gen motor didn't have the device and I didn't like the slack. As for changing the parts, I purchased a new GM performance chain which is soaking in a bath of oil at the moment.
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« Reply #687 on: January 09, 2019, 08:18:16 AM »
Don, that fire extinguisher is a bit or lots too small to be effective by the time you get to it.
Ah man!
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« Reply #688 on: January 09, 2019, 10:48:21 AM »
Don, that fire extinguisher is a bit or lots too small to be effective by the time you get to it.
Ah man!

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« Reply #689 on: January 09, 2019, 11:22:48 AM »
Suppose if you think about it....the engines is almost out now anyway true?  Cam change,degree the cam/proper oil pan gasket replacement, and maybe a look see at the bearings.....you said you were going to put a converter in it anyway....its a LS you can bet it needs new rods. Just thinking out loud here.  :cheesy:

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« Reply #690 on: January 09, 2019, 12:29:26 PM »
Suppose if you think about it....the engines is almost out now anyway true?  Cam change,degree the cam/proper oil pan gasket replacement, and maybe a look see at the bearings.....you said you were going to put a converter in it anyway....its a LS you can bet it needs new rods. Just thinking out loud here.  :cheesy:

You know Don he is right. What 12 bolts and its out? Torque convert which was on the table anyway. No pan leak, easier assembly,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #691 on: January 09, 2019, 12:44:44 PM »
Suppose if you think about it....the engines is almost out now anyway true?  Cam change,degree the cam/proper oil pan gasket replacement, and maybe a look see at the bearings.....you said you were going to put a converter in it anyway....its a LS you can bet it needs new rods. Just thinking out loud here.  :cheesy:
You know Don he is right. What 12 bolts and its out? Torque convert which was on the table anyway. No pan leak, easier assembly,,,,,,,,,,
Hmmmm, maybe you knuckleheads are onto something here

Look into the bottom end, drop in the 408", do the converter...
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« Reply #692 on: January 09, 2019, 02:05:58 PM »
If you choose to do the pan, it's really not that hard. True, all of the diff bolts must be removed, but it drops far enough without complete removal, and is held up by the axles. The crossmember only takes 2 minutes to remove.
The only way that pan won't start leaking is if it's been changed before, and the rubber insert (aluminum gasket like the water pump's) is still soft ....usually isn't at 16 years old.
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« Reply #693 on: January 09, 2019, 02:21:43 PM »
Where is my popcorn emoji....

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« Reply #694 on: January 09, 2019, 02:58:00 PM »
Where is my popcorn emoji....

Mission creep has begun....


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« Reply #695 on: January 09, 2019, 03:21:12 PM »
I have faith Don can get this 95% done no question.  :grin:

But seriously.... Ken is spot on, LS pans leak if looked at cross eyed. I'd drop the diff, do it correctly....but if installing a converter anyway...just makes sense to pull it and get it squared away on a stand and drop it back in. Possibly less time consuming also.

Kays 2017 Stang we pulled the engine at 4000 miles... now talk about mission creep. What started as a simple swap of the 4 cams turned into a set of rods and a stroked crank an cnc ported heads and.....balance and blah blah. Engines out lets put in a better clutch.....ya get the idea. And we did that in our crude shop with no fancy boiler heat. I do have a shop couch however LoL

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« Reply #696 on: January 09, 2019, 08:03:28 PM »
I’ll play contrarian.  Given your time constraints.

Put some silicone on it slap it back together and drive it. It may leak but it won’t be the end of the world. Drive it on your trip and put some miles on it and then in a year pull it down and drop the stroker kit in it.




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« Reply #697 on: January 09, 2019, 08:06:36 PM »
Talking about a party pooper ^^^^
Since when did you become rational ?:)
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« Reply #698 on: January 09, 2019, 08:33:27 PM »
On another note....don't you need a new push rod now Don?








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« Reply #699 on: January 09, 2019, 09:29:15 PM »
On another note....don't you need a new push rod now Don?








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