Hide Site/Bug-out location Construction, Part 4

[stlaser]

I think he is planning on having Bobby man the open gate. Parts of his duties will to be sure gate doesn't sag when in open position.....

[Flyin6]

Talk about much-to-do about nothing!

^^^^These cluckin' hens have nothing better to do than to talk about my gate saggin'!

It's a friggin gate fer crap's sake!

Let it sag 

[Dawg25385]

Talk about much-to-do about nothing!

^^^^These cluckin' hens have nothing better to do than to talk about my gate saggin'!

It's a friggin gate fer crap's sake!

Let it sag 

 

[Flyin6]

Got my sheet metal all ordered

Locally there is a shop which actually manufacturers the stuff from rolls of steel. I got green 8' sheets coated, 40 year warranty, 29 gage full hard for $1.99 a running foot. The pieces are 36" wide including an overlap which has a built in anti-siphon groove.

Ordered 10-8' pieces, two 10' ridge caps, and 2-16' side pieces to finish the gable ends. Also purchased a big box of colored/gasket screws and was out the door at $205!!!

That's close to 1/2 the price of HD or Slowes

[Flyin6]

I really want to put this project in the bank asap. I am missing all kinds of heavy rain that I could be collectin' in that 1500 gal storage tank.

That will be next. Get that leveled in on the slope just downhill from the shed, then run a 1" PEX line down to the two 330 gal water tanks feeding the camper.

With that alone I will go a long ways to solving the immediate water needs for cleaning, cooking, and construction, and other things that begin with "C"

[stlaser]

Talk about much-to-do about nothing!

^^^^These cluckin' hens have nothing better to do than to talk about my gate saggin'!

It's a friggin gate fer crap's sake!

Let it sag 

I think everyone is worried the gate may go the way of that um one vehicle / parts bin. You know essentially the gate settling down into the ky mud & being lost for ever....

[Flyin6]

Talk about much-to-do about nothing!

^^^^These cluckin' hens have nothing better to do than to talk about my gate saggin'!

It's a friggin gate fer crap's sake!

Let it sag 

I think everyone is worried the gate may go the way of that um one vehicle / parts bin. You know essentially the gate settling down into the ky mud & being lost for ever....

Ah, copy that

No worries

Gate is surrounded by solid ground and is currently not destroyed by dust and dirt like that unmentioned other vehicle

Speaking of which, Man, I just can't win!

I scheduled this shop to come get the truck

Well, they didn't

So I called them to remind them

And after telling me they would call/come get it they did neither

So I am not necessarily obliged to move ahead with them, which puts me on the hunt for a good 6BT Cummins shop...

[wyorunner]

Talk about much-to-do about nothing!

^^^^These cluckin' hens have nothing better to do than to talk about my gate saggin'!

It's a friggin gate fer crap's sake!

Let it sag 

I think everyone is worried the gate may go the way of that um one vehicle / parts bin. You know essentially the gate settling down into the ky mud & being lost for ever....

Ah, copy that

No worries

Gate is surrounded by solid ground and is currently not destroyed by dust and dirt like that unmentioned other vehicle

Speaking of which, Man, I just can't win!

I scheduled this shop to come get the truck

Well, they didn't

So I called them to remind them

And after telling me they would call/come get it they did neither

So I am not necessarily obliged to move ahead with them, which puts me on the hunt for a good 6BT Cummins shop...

Or bring a good shop to the truck.... ie norm, phil, or swbhobie, or any other number of folks I'd venture. I think that swbhobie guy might be looking for work in mid ish august...

[stlaser]

I think Norm has access to some documents you might need too, just a thought.....

 

[longball]

Wasn't there a guy on here with a bunch of Cummins training and certs? How close is he to KY? We need to get this figured out so we can get back to the sagging gate.


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[stlaser]

Tlane he was from In or Ky I thought

[KensAuto]

Wasn't there a guy on here with a bunch of Cummins training and certs? How close is he to KY? We need to get this figured out so we can get back to the sagging gate.


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This ^^^^.

[rpar86]

Wasn't there a guy on here with a bunch of Cummins training and certs? How close is he to KY? We need to get this figured out so we can get back to the sagging gate.


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Tlane3546 the guy?

[stlaser]

Pretty sure that's him

[longball]

Yeah that's him.


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[Bigdave_185]

Why would you leave the ends open? You have plenty of cedar bark cuttings to make some good looking gable ends


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Just no need to close it in Dave, its a trellis. It will only have half walls of those huge stones, the rest will be a breezeway

Yep sounds about right lol


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[Flyin6]

Why would you leave the ends open? You have plenty of cedar bark cuttings to make some good looking gable ends


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Just no need to close it in Dave, its a trellis. It will only have half walls of those huge stones, the rest will be a breezeway

Yep sounds about right lol


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OK, OK

[JR]

Sitting on a saggy gate that is held open with a dusty dodge.

[Flyin6]

Sheet metal for the roof is all cut and awaiting my pickup. Hopefully early in the week, I can get that installed...

Starting to think out the rain water collection system. If I can get the tank placed on a leveled spot, get a valve on the bottom, and the roof gutter system up and hooked to the tank, I think that would be good for awhile. At least I would be collecting the water. Later on I could run the lines. I plan on one multi-function ditch to house the 1" PEX water supply line, a 3/4" electril conduit with a 12-3 wire, and a 2" electrical conduit line for future growth. I'll install the thing underground with a steel cable in it, then pull lines through whenever I need to grow. I see a power supply to the dome/greenhouse I plan to build. And a 30 amp RV plug for a guest RV, a line to feed power from a more remote solar panel array, and a power out cable going down a thousand feet to the well.

[wyorunner]

Don, how big of a storage tank do you have next to your pergola?

I ask because a roof tends to catch more than anticipated.

1" of rain on 1000 sqft produces over 600 gallons.

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/other/default/rainfall

This is just one calculator I found. Should give you an idea of what to expect to catch, and possibly over flow.

Just figured I'd throw this out there because we had a 330 gal tank at our GA house, and it will fill in short order from about 1000 sqft of roof.

Obviosuly everything you have at the hide would take a minute to fill, but I'm talking just the one tank at the structure, which looking back in your posts, appears to be 320 sqft.

That 320 sqft will produce 199 gallons with an inch of rain.

[Flyin6]

Don, how big of a storage tank do you have next to your pergola?

I ask because a roof tends to catch more than anticipated.

1" of rain on 1000 sqft produces over 600 gallons.

http://www.calctool.org/CALC/other/default/rainfall

This is just one calculator I found. Should give you an idea of what to expect to catch, and possibly over flow.

Just figured I'd throw this out there because we had a 330 gal tank at our GA house, and it will fill in short order from about 1000 sqft of roof.

Obviosuly everything you have at the hide would take a minute to fill, but I'm talking just the one tank at the structure, which looking back in your posts, appears to be 320 sqft.

That 320 sqft will produce 199 gallons with an inch of rain.

T,

That is both helpful and informative!

The shed is 16 X 32 which equals 512 ft/sq

The collection tank for that building is 1550 gal capacity.

I plan to collect the water from the pergola roof as well, and that will feed into a single 330 gallon tank which will be used for utility purposes and perhaps some watering chores.

Whatever vents is just going to be returned to nature. The camper based living would then have over 2200 gallons to live from backed up by the 330 utility and then the twon 3,000 gal tanks well-side. And of course the pond

Speaking of pondage, I am developing an excavation layout for the PTCC (Pond to come concept) This new one will be around 10 times the size of the current excavation. My brother in law wants to enlarge it to the point where it is a pretty good sized swimming hole for the kiddies.
I want to raise Koi, which I used to raise. My fish back in the day cost $300-$1.200 each, I had 70. To sell them, if I start with Japanese only from some monasteries I know of over there, I would be selling 1.5 year old fish for approx $50 ea. wholesale, and triple that to the public.

I want to build in some ways to have the farm produce money and that is one way I thought of a long time ago. Part of this enlarged pond would be screened off to accommodate breeding those colorful carp.

[Flyin6]

Water isn't going to be a problem, once I get all the infrastructure in to manage it.

With this project, I always have 4-5 projects up in the air at a time. I can be researching some, acquiring parts for others, actively working on still more and closing the deal on one. I have been planning out the solar power plan for a grid tied then off grid system.

Reason is when you have the ditches opened up, it is time to plant hoses, pipes, conduit, wires, and the like. With respect to the solar power that simple 2" conduit will see me through project completion with the big flat panels I am looking at. But continue to see a lot of jumping around on these projects and I strive to weave them all together in some way that someday will make sense.

[wyorunner]

Cool, my thought and the reason brought it up is its proximity to the camper and the possibility of it becoming unlevel or just sinking away into the Tucky muck. Looks like it'll work real well and a solid quantity of water.

Now koi, that's insane I'd never have thought fish would be that expensive. All I ever think about with raising fish is to eat them! However carp, not so much.... don't think they'd taste any better if they were purdified with orange and white!


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[KensAuto]

Not sure I'd use steel cable for your pull cable Don... it doesn't have any give.. just one reason utility companies use mule tape.
The carp thing sounds interesting

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[Sammconn]

Yes, don't use steel cable for pulling.
1/4 or 3/8 rope would be better, or mule tape if you can source it.
1000 foot power run will require a lot of oversizing for voltage drop, portable generator may be better option, given the price of copper these days.

Don't rule out a second conduit for electrical.
Depending on solar size you're looking at, it should be in its own pipe.
Having another down may or may not be needed, don't know your plans for certain.

[JR]

Plus cable will chaff the line that is in there. I think 12-3 is pretty small for that run also.

I saw the pic of the well a few posts ago, looks grown over some. What is the status of that? Also wouldn't it be a good idea to put something around that big ol hole?

[KensAuto]

Definately JR. In 1000' it would cut through the pcv like butter.

[TexasRedNeck]

I'll jus leave these here

http://www.usawire-cable.com/pdfs/nec%20ampacities.pdf

http://www.cerrowire.com/voltage-drop-table

http://www.southwire.com/support/voltage-drop-calculator.htm


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[Sammconn]

I'll jus leave these here

http://www.usawire-cable.com/pdfs/nec%20ampacities.pdf

http://www.cerrowire.com/voltage-drop-table

http://www.southwire.com/support/voltage-drop-calculator.htm


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Chief...
Use these...

[Flyin6]

Ok, let me clarify  a couple of things here

Saying cable was speaking generically, should have said rope. I have some 3/4 nylon or poly, or whatever that is they used to pull the really big wire up to the shed through the buried conduit.

Secondly, the 12-3 wire is only running maybe 30 feet. The thousand foot run would be a different wire, hadn't even thought about that yet. Off hand I'd say a 10 ga or maybe a #8, but maybe there is a better way to do this.

The solar system I plan for the well alone with some expansion could run everything I need down there. Initially, I just want to run a panel, to a voltage controller directly to the well pump. But I could easily expand that up 3-4 panels (280-310 watt ea.) then to a bank of 6 volt batteries, through an inverter and run a 110Vac pump right there pushing water up to the camper/shed location.

As for the well: It is currently overgrown.
Step 1 of that process is round up. Next I'll carefully pull off the ground level ring of stones and excavate a ring maybe 4" deep around it. I'll pour that in concrete, then come up from there with several courses of cinder blocks.

I'l erect an "A"-frame over the well to suspend the mechanicals from and then build a small shed like structure around that. The 3K storage tanks will live outside the building and that will be that. Later on I'll excavate a trench from there to the shed area and bury the conduit and pex or poly water line.

[Flyin6]

Continuing to press ahead, although the work is tough this time of year.

The humidity is what does it. It severely inhibits your body's natural heat control system. Sweat just accumulates and does not evaporate. Honestly, one can only work for maybe 30 min-an hour before you must take a shady cool rest break.

Having said that, we began putting metal on the roof.

First up were the 2X6 fascia boards

[Flyin6]

Then the first "guide" piece of metal, followed by all the rest

[Flyin6]

We managed to get one side pretty much done except for the last piece which needs to be ripped. Today, hopefully we will get the other side done and the trim up and be able to move onto the rain collection tank

I am developing a comprehensive plan for that tank and room.

Plan is to add an extension onto the shed with a shed roof extending out from the south wall. Inside will be the 1550 gallon water tank and distribution lines. I now also plan to locate the 5KW emergency generator in there, along with the bank of 6 volt deep cycle batteries and an electrical control panel. On top of the shed roof will fit several 280-310 watt solar cells, and this will be my first move toward being electrically and water independent of the outside world.

[EL TATE]

Looking Really good there Don. Too bad you couldn't keep the center beam and gable ends complete round logs. I just love that look, but ya know, PNW guy. You've really got a modern version of Dick Proenneke's "One Man's Wilderness" going on here.

[TexasRedNeck]

Don't use roundup Don. Just take a big weed burner torch and burn around the well. It will all die. Stay chem free as much as you can


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[Bob Smith]

Don't use roundup Don. Just take a big weed burner torch and burn around the well. It will all die. Stay chem free as much as you can
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Along those lines, when you start getting the regrowth after burning, spray till wet  with a heavy rate of bleach in water. Cover the area with black plastic or heavy tarp material until you get the pad poured around it.
As long as you can protect the opening of the well, you could treat the adjacent area with glyphosate (round-up) as it ties up readily in the soil and breaks down very fast and would not create any problems for the well. Just be sure to stay back away from the well by whatever the distance the  label calls for.

[rpar86]

Vinegar is an effective weed killer too.

[JR]

Looks good but the pics are too small to see detail.

Co I use just had 325w solar panels for under $200, killer deal!

Will it be a diesel gen?

[EL TATE]

Vinegar is an effective weed killer too.

Just throw it in a pump sprayer and have at it? does it just kill everything?

[Bob Smith]

Vinegar is an effective weed killer too.

Just throw it in a pump sprayer and have at it? does it just kill everything?

Tate, what is the target, and where are you trying for control?

[EL TATE]

PM'd as not to junk up Chief's thread more than I usually do.

[Flyin6]

PM'd as not to junk up Chief's thread more than I usually do.

^^^ Unheard of!

What is this?

[Flyin6]

Don't use roundup Don. Just take a big weed burner torch and burn around the well. It will all die. Stay chem free as much as you can


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OK, weed burner...On the purchase list

However, Just sprayed the roundup all over the place, but not within 500 feet of the well, should be GTG

BTW, certain US agencies spray roundup on coca crops in S. America in and around villages to kill the stuff that us used to make Cocaine. We tried to use in in Afghanistan to kill the poppy, but turns out there wasn't enough PU in the world to kill the poppy and marijuana grown there. That and Karzai who's brother was the main exporter (with US knowledge) of Heroine wouldn't authorize us to spray it. Turns out is is a better idea to let US Marines get blown to bits by IED's than run down a valley with an OV-10 and spray the stuff from the air

Makes sense if you don't think, or care about Marines...

[Flyin6]

Hmmm, DOT'in up myself...

[Flyin6]

OK, let me get to the other bonehead suggestions here, then on to the actual work...

Vinegar/sprayer...OK, I'll try it

Wilderness thing: Well, yea, kind of the idea. Getting closer and mor-betterer with every visit. Goal remains to be completely self sufficient and off grid for everything at some point...And be defendable, bu a large family sized unit.

[Flyin6]

OK, back from another couple days of experimenting with heat stroke. Good news is I survived to fight another day. More good news is that I got a bunch of stuff done. Even more good news is no carnage, well, not very mech to speak of. No ambulance calls, no police involvement, no future court dates, but I have this pesky deer which seems to want to challenge me.

Weird, I'm stand there with a 12 gage and this big doe is snorting at me and stomping her hooves trying to get me to leave. That usually means the fawn is sun bathing nearby, but I think when I am there I am actually invading her space. Well her and this ostrich! In the grassy field all around my camper I can see where something deer sized has been sleepin'. When I'm there the dogs don't care for uninvited guests, so the deer has to hang out with the coyotes, and word on the street is they are not compatible. Kinda like gays in the military, like that, or common sense and congressmen, or promises and republicans, stuff like that...

Then this ostrich just comes out and wanders about my fields during the day and pays, like no attention to my dogs. I tell you, I have never seen a turkey this gib. It stands easily as tall as the doe, and she is no slouch. I guess, I'll just let them work things out and hope to arrive at some point of balance some day. That balance point may be me chewin' on a cordon bleu made of deer and turkey, dunno, but for now, we'll just continue to have conversations and see what shakes out.

[Flyin6]

I used the 12 gage to trim up those hard to reach corner pieces and sent coyotes runnin' for the hills (or hollars).

[Flyin6]

So working in the very late afternoon, I was able to keep my body at Rare to medium, some pink still showing, and wrestle those panels into place. We finished the night with my just setting the peak piece in place

[Flyin6]

Overall the fit is within standards, albeit, in perfect harmony with my inner spirit, "mostly right, but not completely."

[Flyin6]

Here is the spot of my coming attention, where the engineering spaces will become spaces. Where water and electricity, and maybe gas fumes as well, will soon reside in perfect harmony. I won't forget to sandbag the whole thing so the blast is contained, so don't worry!