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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #600 on: May 01, 2019, 02:18:35 PM »
Everyone knows suspension parts are higher performing when painted red....


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #601 on: May 01, 2019, 05:48:54 PM »
And here I thought the red was only for braking components....
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #602 on: May 01, 2019, 06:13:07 PM »
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #603 on: May 01, 2019, 10:32:57 PM »
Wait, so now I’m confused, I thought it was red cars that went fastest... but now you’re telling me it’s red suspension that compress and extends best?

Or red stoppers that slow the best???

Sounds as if ALL THINGS on a vehicle should be red!


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #604 on: May 01, 2019, 10:54:00 PM »
Are we done???

Ok, continuing...

I went over to the local truck repair shop. For those who don't know, truck repair stations will bend new U-bolts from stock of various lengths. This time they used some really good looking grade 8 material and fashioned the new hardware.

I coated them with the cosmoline based preservative.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #605 on: May 01, 2019, 10:55:05 PM »
Axle in and hanging!

Finally!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #606 on: May 01, 2019, 10:55:38 PM »
Panhard bar bolted in
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #607 on: May 01, 2019, 10:56:45 PM »
I bolted it up with the axle jacked up until it lifted the truck.

Pics show it compressed and hanging
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #608 on: May 01, 2019, 10:57:57 PM »
Lube locker gasket is rubber encased steel with a full perimeter seal of a raised material. Quality gaskets!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #609 on: May 01, 2019, 10:59:38 PM »
I decided to just paint the flange.

After drying, I "tossed" on the LL gasket.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #610 on: May 01, 2019, 11:00:35 PM »
I placed a magnet onto the cover double securing it with some RTV along with sticky magnetism!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #611 on: May 01, 2019, 11:01:25 PM »
Cover fit perfectly...Looks good too!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #612 on: May 01, 2019, 11:02:28 PM »
I hung the sway bar, but before permanizing it, I'll need to find some bine thread bolts to bolt up to the arms
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #613 on: May 01, 2019, 11:56:57 PM »
Axle in and hanging!

Finally!
This may be a dumb question but I’m gonna ask it anyway. With the u-bolt flipped, is there any chance of those nuts backing off and causing trouble on a remote trail somewhere? With the exception of welding tables everything you build looks heck for stout has built in fail safes. I guess my real question is, for Murphy’s sake, would another nut torqued down on top of those u-bolts hurt anything?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #614 on: May 02, 2019, 12:41:58 AM »
I never had torqued U bolts come loose. Plus you need to retorque a few mile later, could add lock tight them.

Good to see it on there. Hope that posi is nice, I got one from Tate today for the DMax.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #615 on: May 02, 2019, 07:47:40 AM »
Axle in and hanging!

Finally!
This may be a dumb question but I’m gonna ask it anyway. With the u-bolt flipped, is there any chance of those nuts backing off and causing trouble on a remote trail somewhere? With the exception of welding tables everything you build looks heck for stout has built in fail safes. I guess my real question is, for Murphy’s sake, would another nut torqued down on top of those u-bolts hurt anything?


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No, that is not necessary at all.
Thinking about it, with the "U" bolts in a factory configuration with the nuts and threaded end hanging down and banging into things and reducing your ability to clear obstacles, the factory configuration would be more prone to that kind of disaster.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #616 on: May 02, 2019, 10:04:38 AM »
Since u bolts aren’t supposed to be reused it couldn’t hurt to put a little tack weld on them


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #617 on: May 02, 2019, 10:40:35 AM »
Since u bolts aren’t supposed to be reused it couldn’t hurt to put a little tack weld on them


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I think I've stated this before but the trick on reusing u-bolts is to have them made in course threads. The fine threads are more susceptible to stretch and distortion. I have a friend who sells truck tractor stacking equipment and they use all course thread u-bolts on that equipment and reuse them over and over again.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #618 on: May 02, 2019, 11:55:52 AM »
And to add to Shawn's commentary

I saw stretchin' happenin' all over that bolt when I put the electric "twister" on those nutz.

And

Talking to Tater just now, I have a disconnect on my axles fitting

Stock 14 bolt chevy axles are 30 spline 1.5" diameter

Mutant axle axles are 35 spline 1.5"

I have installed a 35 spline Yukon Duragrip

The mutant axles were made to fit the mutant sized hubs with a 5" diameter "hub"

Stock Chevy 14 bolt hubs are 4.482" in diameter

So, my mutant axles are going to have to have their hubs cut down and redrilled to work

Another hurtle!
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2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #619 on: May 02, 2019, 12:01:37 PM »
At least when you swap an LB7 in there you won’t have to redo the rear.....

So do the wheels fit over that hub?



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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #620 on: May 02, 2019, 12:10:43 PM »
And to add to Shawn's commentary

I saw stretchin' happenin' all over that bolt when I put the electric "twister" on those nutz.

And

Talking to Tater just now, I have a disconnect on my axles fitting

Stock 14 bolt chevy axles are 30 spline 1.5" diameter

Mutant axle axles are 35 spline 1.5"

I have installed a 35 spline Yukon Duragrip

The mutant axles were made to fit the mutant sized hubs with a 5" diameter "hub"

Stock Chevy 14 bolt hubs are 4.482" in diameter

So, my mutant axles are going to have to have their hubs cut down and redrilled to work

Another hurtle!

Stan or Brandon at Branik..... or upgrade to their 300M double ended & splined setup  :shocked:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #621 on: May 03, 2019, 08:52:10 AM »
At least when you swap an LB7 in there you won’t have to redo the rear.....

So do the wheels fit over that hub?



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They fit over both hubs, but not over the huge studs in the militarized stuff. And the geometry of the mugo stuff is all wrong
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #622 on: May 03, 2019, 08:54:31 AM »
I'm off to Cincinnati driveline this morning to try and figure out these axles and driveshaft. You'll see about that in a little bit.

But

With springtime, the explosive growth of nature is slowing down things. Lawn care, and now maintenance on the Scag mower and concerts and birthdays and...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #623 on: May 03, 2019, 08:55:32 AM »
So first up, I created the lower links of the sway bar from sections of the old stuff that once had a different end on it
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #624 on: May 03, 2019, 08:56:58 AM »
Using a forstner bit, I drilled out the end link bushings to 9/16" and assembled the sway bar links to the frame, then to the bar and tightened all that business in place
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #625 on: May 03, 2019, 08:59:36 AM »
Shocks next. First install the bushings, then bolt them inplace

But

They are too long

Having moved the shock mounts to a ground clearance friendly spot took away inches which these particular shocks badly need.

Guess who is buying two new Fox shocks???
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #626 on: May 03, 2019, 09:01:06 AM »
I performed some maintenance on the parking brake system. Had those things working as smooth as warm butter.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #627 on: May 03, 2019, 09:02:18 AM »
Yep, driveshaft is too long...Leaving for the driveshaft shop in 30 min...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #628 on: May 03, 2019, 09:03:05 AM »
Air bags are in!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #629 on: May 03, 2019, 09:04:20 AM »
Worked until 2100, then threw the other towel in. (First one caught fire while welding the bolts near it)
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #630 on: May 03, 2019, 09:40:11 AM »
Great progress! That sure is a good lookin rig.

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #631 on: May 03, 2019, 11:52:32 AM »
Don, what are the specs on the shocks? Wonder if they’d fit my truck?


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« Reply #632 on: May 03, 2019, 12:59:18 PM »
Don, what are the specs on the shocks? Wonder if they’d fit my truck?


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Ryan, They are the shocks supplied by BDS for their 7" lift for my year Suburban. Need a part numba?
If your truck is lifted more than 4", they would likely work, but if stock height, no way.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #633 on: May 03, 2019, 01:03:18 PM »
Driveshaft is dropped off at Cincinnati Drivelines and will be completed in a few days.

We looked at the axles and they ended sending me to chat with Charlie, a Biker guy who owns a machine shop. He was a pretty cool fella, and as we warmed up to the prospect of him machining the things he started measuring and testing hardness with a file and thinking out loud.

He told me to get him a hub, (which I did not bring along) and he would take a stab at it.

They will end up having 16 holes drilled into the flange, but given the strength inherent in the design and in this particular product, we should be fine.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #634 on: May 03, 2019, 02:49:21 PM »
Co-worker of mine has a 6.5” BDS lift on a Duramax. If they don’t fit for Ryan you can pm me a price and I’ll see if he wants them. He was talking about replacing shocks last week.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #635 on: May 03, 2019, 04:46:57 PM »
Co-worker of mine has a 6.5” BDS lift on a Duramax. If they don’t fit for Ryan you can pm me a price and I’ll see if he wants them. He was talking about replacing shocks last week.


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Wow! How fortunate for me!
I think I paid $125 ea for them, maybe $100 ea since they're new. If anyone really needs them, I'll work with ya...Not focused on the money...But I do have to order another set now :-(

Another subject: I cleaned up the driveshaft really well then took it to the driveline shop where the manager commented on just how clean and rust free it was (And it is!). It had a tag on it showing a proud Chinese company had given birth to the thing. He said, yea, those guys paint the driveshaft whereas Dana leaves the shafts plain steel and allows them to rust.

Don't know about you, but I think I like the Chinaman's way of building a little better than the Dana philosophy.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #636 on: May 03, 2019, 05:11:13 PM »
No time remaining to get in to getting my hands dirty on Ravin8. Concert tonight with one of the prerangers playin' the guitar. Heck both of them do, and the smallest one sings and plays (Where is this comin' from??)

Gotta do DD (Dad Duty) and get him there early which means I can't show up looking like a chimney sweep on overtime.

Gooder news is I struck a deal with my son in law. He gets to borrow the zero turn anytime he needs it. In exchange, he pulls the maintenance on it! Last two days, he pull dismantled, cleaned and reinstalled the carb. Pulled both air filters and blew them out. Swapped out the fuel filter. Sharpened all three blades. Greased the movin' parts. Cleaned all the grass caked underneath the deck. Cleaned up the top side. Installed new spark plugs and overall has it running like it was new again.

I figure the thing has like 360 hours on it. Those Scag mowers with the big block engine (Mine) last a couple thousand. With that kind of lifespan and the little bit we use it, it should serve both of us for many years and still not be taxed.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #637 on: May 03, 2019, 05:50:49 PM »
Great work so far,you won't hurt those hubs.

Bet they didn't get the singing from you, I can't sing either.

Think I going to put a CV on my front shaft, no spacer. They don't drive over 45 too.

Isn't that a lot  of grease on those breaks? Get warm and drip?
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #638 on: May 03, 2019, 07:42:37 PM »
Looks great Cap'n! ;)
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2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #639 on: May 03, 2019, 08:30:12 PM »
Don, what are the specs on the shocks? Wonder if they’d fit my truck?


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Ryan, They are the shocks supplied by BDS for their 7" lift for my year Suburban. Need a part numba?
If your truck is lifted more than 4", they would likely work, but if stock height, no way.

Oh yeah, those would be way too much. I want a lift, but seeing as I have a 1-ton, the back is already pretty high so I just want about a 4” to bring the front up level, leaving the rear at or slightly higher than it is now.

So that’s a pass for me - longball you’re up!


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #640 on: May 03, 2019, 10:34:17 PM »
Chief. I’ll take second position after longball


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #641 on: May 04, 2019, 08:44:21 AM »
Go ahead Tex. My buddy already bought a set.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #642 on: May 04, 2019, 09:04:30 AM »
OK, all that's fine, the shocks will take up a hangin' position somewhere in the shop where they will get in my way, so no worries

And on shocks...Wouldn't normally mention this, but my record of getting shocks shipped to a new owner is not stellar. So regarding the shocks that came off or SquareD. I decided to give them to a member here. we talked and I shipped those shocks out in the very boxes that the Fox shocks had just arrived in. I just shipped them snail mail because I was saving a dime. On that day I also sent Tex some greasy parts and some stuff to Norm.

Well Norm said the box was all buggered up, I think Tex got his stuff all well and good, but those shocks??? They never arrived. I waited a bit too long to do a trace with a shipping label that I tossed in the trash the next moment after it was given to me. So, yea, even properly packaged shocks are a so-so coming out of my post office it would seem.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #643 on: May 04, 2019, 09:27:14 AM »
Don, not complaining but when you retire GLO won’t be hiring & putting you in charge of packaging / shipping. That box I got the other day appeared to have been in combat and dropped out of one of them aircraft you used to fly on final approach. After examining it I have a present to send along with you when you visit the shop this summer.....  :tongue:
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #644 on: May 05, 2019, 07:51:28 PM »
Don, not complaining but when you retire GLO won’t be hiring & putting you in charge of packaging / shipping. That box I got the other day appeared to have been in combat and dropped out of one of them aircraft you used to fly on final approach. After examining it I have a present to send along with you when you visit the shop this summer.....  :tongue:
Hmmm. Needin' some trainin' hugh?

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #645 on: May 05, 2019, 07:53:44 PM »
Doing some punchout to roll into the day, a dreary/rainy one

Added three quarts and some friction modifier to the mutant diff. More to come, just wanted to immerse and coat everything waiting on the axles
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #646 on: May 05, 2019, 07:56:37 PM »
BTW, I had planned to build up the hubs, installing bearing races, but I guess I didn't order the larger bearings. Or maybe I did, and they went to the same place as "T's" shocks. So instead of losing any time I immediately got on some punch-out items.

Next up, I relocated the fold-out awning to a high mount position which immediately got the thing out of the way of the doors and body
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #647 on: May 05, 2019, 07:58:32 PM »
Testing it out last time, I could see that the corner supporting the four "Arms" was way to flimsy, so I reinforced it with aluminum angle and affixed a brace to the rack system
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #648 on: May 05, 2019, 07:59:16 PM »
And, yes it all clears the hatch
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #649 on: May 05, 2019, 08:01:27 PM »
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