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Re: SquareD Part 6: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #250 on: November 22, 2014, 02:12:46 PM »
lets take a step back and breath don.  it really sounds like its time to call the SME over at Inglewood transmission and have him guide you thru this process?
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #251 on: November 22, 2014, 06:52:30 PM »
Nate,
Not that simple...There is literally a question every 5 minutes. Well, what the heck is this? Or the pic shows a one piece gasket, I have a two piece one. In the pic there are two flat washers, but RevMax says remove both of them and reduce the clearance...then of course none of that actually works out.
Nah, I would make an enemy real fast for bothering Mike so much, then still have to ship the trans off to someone.

Today, I did locate a guy who builds Chrysler transmissions. I was talking to Tommy who is about to build my Dana60. He owned a 1,000 HP Cummins puller. He has had one of this guy's transmissions in his truck for 2 years now with nary a problem. I think he may be the right man for the job, and he's local.

Would love to get Mike L to do this trans but Kali is a long way and I'd like to be there when it is assembled.
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #252 on: November 22, 2014, 06:53:57 PM »
On a good note, I got the manly lookin' new banner for the side of the truck. It is a bit large, but definitely all military lookin'
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #253 on: November 23, 2014, 01:03:13 AM »
I talked to Mike about these trannys since he is out here. He said he doesn't touch em, just the Allys.

Still good work and someone local. Wasted time, no. You learned and enjoyed it even without it just coming together.
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #254 on: November 23, 2014, 08:31:24 AM »
From what I am hearing, none of these transmissions come together exactly. They take a lot of "Tuning" and "Adjusting" with odd ball things like thicker snap rings to make the clearances work out. Perhaps this is the reason for the reduced reliability of the things...the fact that most of them are put together incorrectly!
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #255 on: November 23, 2014, 06:37:38 PM »
Well, after church today, I fussed with the transmission some more, and again it proved to show me I do not understand why it is not fitting together correctly. Now the low/reverse band linkage.
You may recall I replaced the existing piston with a super-duper steel thicker one. I don't know if that is why, but the exact same lever, strut, follower and pin as well as the same drum and actual band, and that pin will only slide in if I compress the piston in the bore a bunch, like almost 1/8" from bottoming out. Then while you are forcing the pin in the case the band is so tight on the drum, even with the adjuster backed all the way off, that the drum is locked solid.

That is just not right!

So I decided to abandon it again and remove the girly decal and put the proper man style decal on in its place.

First I taped off the reference line just at the break on the body panel
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #256 on: November 23, 2014, 06:40:16 PM »
Then I carefully peeled the lettering off the backing and laid it up little by little until I had it where I wanted.

Next time I am going to do this over a soapy panel so I can get a chance to move it if it isn't exactly where I wanted. Luckily, it fell in where I thought it ought to be.
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #257 on: November 23, 2014, 06:41:50 PM »
The maximum tire pressure with two piece rims really is 40 and these wheels could kill if over inflated so in case someone else is using my truck, meaning I am no longer viable, I thought they should know
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #258 on: November 23, 2014, 06:45:04 PM »
I also had labels made for the fuel and water/alcohol filler necks on the side
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #259 on: November 23, 2014, 06:46:40 PM »
And here are those applied:
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #260 on: November 23, 2014, 06:48:32 PM »
The left side
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #261 on: November 23, 2014, 06:49:12 PM »
And the end of a couple hours work on build day 190
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #262 on: November 23, 2014, 08:33:49 PM »
Those look great!  I was going to suggest the soapy water/squeegee trick- but with all the dust built up on things, that'd be a mess! (Insert pokey guy here)  ;)
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #263 on: November 23, 2014, 08:49:55 PM »
If you have another, right under the rear window on the topper would be a good place for it. Seems like a relatively flat area, and one that is easily viewed by people come up behind D2 on the road.
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #264 on: November 23, 2014, 09:26:57 PM »
I think it would be too long for that...It is over 7 feet long

I purchased 5. Two for SquareD, Two for C-Max, and one in case I screwed up.

Then I still have the girly ones left...Maybe I'll plaster them on the Frau's Caddy
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #265 on: November 23, 2014, 09:50:12 PM »
Man those turned out great, and really fit well with that truck. good job hombre!
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #266 on: November 23, 2014, 10:27:58 PM »
I think it would be too long for that...It is over 7 feet long

I purchased 5. Two for SquareD, Two for C-Max, and one in case I screwed up.

Then I still have the girly ones left...Maybe I'll plaster them on the Frau's Caddy

Time to break out the stencils and cardboard and return to the lower enlisted/NCO time frame and spray paint, in keeping with font stylization.
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #267 on: November 24, 2014, 07:42:51 AM »
I think it would be too long for that...It is over 7 feet long

I purchased 5. Two for SquareD, Two for C-Max, and one in case I screwed up.

Then I still have the girly ones left...Maybe I'll plaster them on the Frau's Caddy

Time to break out the stencils and cardboard and return to the lower enlisted/NCO time frame and spray paint, in keeping with font stylization.
Well, that's the style for the T-Shirt, but not the truck...
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #268 on: November 24, 2014, 09:15:01 AM »
Well, that's the style for the T-Shirt, but not the truck...

I see.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #269 on: November 24, 2014, 10:53:16 AM »
Yes. that looks great Don. Now it just needs the rest of the truck.
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #270 on: November 24, 2014, 12:52:36 PM »
So, note to self.....

Never touch a transmission...  Check...

Everything else looks great.  Keep pushing forward.   :)

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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #271 on: November 24, 2014, 02:49:58 PM »
So, note to self.....

Never touch a transmission...  Check...

Everything else looks great.  Keep pushing forward.   :)

It's definitely a push and push back.

Start on transmission, then 2 weeks later find out you can't do it

Try to find a trans guy...he does not return calls

Pull front axle

Axle guy is busy, takes a week to 10 days longer just to get it there

And that's why this thing is taking so long...

But in the end it will get done (I think) and it will have all been worth it (I think)
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #272 on: November 24, 2014, 03:37:27 PM »
Good news: I found a transmission builder who is both good and cost effective. Has a lot of knowledge with this transmission, used to do five or more a week!

When I mentioned the various problems I was having he just chuckled and said, yep, know all about that! He assured me he has a selection of the snap rings in various thicknesses. He said the trans wouldn't break if he was allowed to do some drilling and machining to increase oil flow in the thing. When I mentioned 600-700 HP he said that wouldn't even stress this thing, he had built them to handle much more.

So plan is to get that over to him in the morning and let him do the magic.
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #273 on: November 24, 2014, 03:51:52 PM »
Don't beat yourself up over having to call in reinforcements... there's a reason there are shops all over the place that only work on transmissions.

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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #274 on: November 25, 2014, 05:30:54 PM »
So, note to self.....

Never touch a transmission...  Check...

Everything else looks great.  Keep pushing forward.   :)

It's definitely a push and push back.

Start on transmission, then 2 weeks later find out you can't do it

Try to find a trans guy...he does not return calls

Pull front axle

Axle guy is busy, takes a week to 10 days longer just to get it there

And that's why this thing is taking so long...

But in the end it will get done (I think) and it will have all been worth it (I think)

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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #275 on: November 25, 2014, 06:20:46 PM »
So my mentor always said, two things to leave to someone else to rebuild, Auto transmissions and 4 barrel carburetors.

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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #276 on: November 25, 2014, 08:56:47 PM »
Those decals look much better...

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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #277 on: November 25, 2014, 09:23:35 PM »
Those decals look much better...
Copy that!

I thought they might be too big, but after applying them, I think the fit is GTG!

Moving on, I took the transmission parts over to the trans shop today. There I hooked up with Steve the owner who seemed happy to get into this hot rod project.
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #278 on: November 25, 2014, 09:24:20 PM »
Pro Transmission is located in Erlanger, KY
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« Reply #279 on: November 25, 2014, 09:25:43 PM »
Here's the last time these parts will be in the hands of an amateur!
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #280 on: November 25, 2014, 09:29:51 PM »
Steve, the owner glanced over the parts as we sortied them into his shop. Immediately he said, "That piston is in upside down!"

Remember how I worked hours trying to get the pin and linkage to fit
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« Reply #281 on: November 25, 2014, 09:33:52 PM »
Funny, but the next piece he pulled out of the pile was the direct clutch. He took just a glance and immediately noticed there was no pressure plate, not reaction plate.
RevMax said I was to use 6 clutches and steels, but that means no pressure plate, nor reaction plate. Steve said that wouldn't work at all, and there is no way 6 clutches will fit, only the factory 4 or possibly five with a thinner reaction plate. He did mention though that yes, you can get thinner plates and clutches, but what do thin pieces of metal do when they get hot?? Warp!

So he likes to keep thicker steels in there to prevent warping
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #282 on: November 25, 2014, 09:37:58 PM »
He has a busy shop and seems to really know what he is doing. He will even drill larger oil holes in those billet shafts. He loves to flood the working end of the transmission with cool fluid. His theory is that the factory hole does not allow enough fluid to enter beneath the sun gear. Therefore the bushing located there heats excessively and can "Walk" a bit and if it does it will close off the oil hole completely and cook the trans. He loves to keep a lot of cool oil in there to prevent this and from what he says, has good luck with this and newer transmissions of the Chrysler DNA.

We'll see... Build day has been set for the first of the upcoming week!
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« Reply #283 on: November 25, 2014, 10:48:08 PM »
Immediately appears you have found the right man for the job!
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #284 on: November 26, 2014, 05:59:35 AM »
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #285 on: November 26, 2014, 07:46:30 AM »
Immediately appears you have found the right man for the job!

I think so!
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #286 on: November 26, 2014, 05:00:50 PM »
OK, so while we wait out the days until Monday, and get through Thanksgiving weekend, Let's get some meaningful work done.

Since I am already into learning things I have no business learning, I decided to get the transfer case rebuilt, painted up and ready to get reinstalled.

Because, know what?? When that trans gets carried home, It gets reattached to the engine as an assembly, and that big mass of Detroit know-how gets lowered back into place in the chassis. Well, as long as the axle is residing there and there are some tires and wheels bolted up.

Anyway, the transfer case got nasty, collecting more dirt and cat hair than your average left wing hippie!
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #287 on: November 26, 2014, 05:05:02 PM »
That's a big old all American NP 205 indestructible piece of mechanical simplicity. Totally reliable, simple, bullet proof, and gas guzzling heavy, it once resided in not so heavy 3/4 and 1 ton trucks with really big engines. It is a well sought after piece and will live out it's days behind Square D's Powerplant.

I started by pulling off parts in the driveway because it was full of oil

Notice that the speedo reduction adapter was leaking some oil. Also notice that the frame high breather has mud residue on it's inside! The new vent will be located in much higher and better circumstances
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« Reply #288 on: November 26, 2014, 05:06:22 PM »
Oil mostly drained I lifted that heavy critter onto my makeshift work bench/welding table and continued tearing it down
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #289 on: November 26, 2014, 05:07:43 PM »
The rear output came out and of course the roller bearings scattered all over. No worries it is getting new ones
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« Reply #290 on: November 26, 2014, 05:12:38 PM »
Then the front output shaft
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« Reply #291 on: November 26, 2014, 05:13:38 PM »
Then the PTO cover
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« Reply #292 on: November 26, 2014, 05:16:21 PM »
Next I pulled the 4WD indicator sending unit, and the detent
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #293 on: November 26, 2014, 05:21:02 PM »
Here the input adapter housing is coming off
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #294 on: November 26, 2014, 05:23:21 PM »
Next is the forward output gear assembly
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« Reply #295 on: November 26, 2014, 05:25:40 PM »
Here, the shift rail assembly is being removed. This part is tricky, having a couple roll pins inside the case that need to get tapped out with a punch.
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« Reply #296 on: November 26, 2014, 05:27:15 PM »
Then the next output
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« Reply #297 on: November 26, 2014, 05:29:46 PM »
And that leaves the case with only the idler gear assembly which is a really big one. This takes some wiggling to get out of the largest hole in that Iron case
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #298 on: November 26, 2014, 05:31:50 PM »
I wanted to get a bit ahead and get the first of three cleanings done. The first cleaning is a degreasing inside and out, then a pressure washing with scalding hot water. I did that to the case and have to say, it doesn't look all that bad
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Re: SquareD Part 5: The build continues and gets more aggressive
« Reply #299 on: November 26, 2014, 05:33:22 PM »
Everything that moves, rubs, seals, or pivots will get replaced with fresh parts. I purchased an all inclusive NP205 overhaul kit
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