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Title: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 17, 2019, 05:51:28 PM
So if all goes as planned I’m picking up this clean 2001 V10 Excursion Limited with 124k on the clock tomorrow.


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 17, 2019, 05:57:32 PM
I’ve been considering trucks for awhile now and always wanted one of these. The hand me down Honda Insight hybrid just ain’t cutting it for shop duty. So before it gets too many miles sipping fuel to the tune of mid 40’s per gallon we’re going to sell it to someone who will appreciate it more.

So I threw out a low ball offer over a week ago on this second owner unit. Guy turned me down but asked me for my card then called back to accept the standing offer last Friday. I take my funds to him tomorrow afternoon. Plan is pretty simple for this, tighten up steering (only issue I can find thus far) add some front window tint, roof rack, exterior spare tire carrier and bumper. Possibly front bumper and winch then some additional lighting and new tires with maybe a leveling kit and potential grizzly in the rear at some point. Possible banks upgrades but not sure if I’ll go full kit with headers or just keep manifolds. Use it to haul family / friends and shop supplies / camping gear.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: wilsonphil on June 17, 2019, 08:06:57 PM
It uses the wrong fuel!
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Flyin6 on June 17, 2019, 08:49:03 PM
Those V10's are all over the place in heavy class C RV's. I have wondered how they would do in a lighter application. I drove one for a month out in the cali desert at Ft. Erwin. Have to say, I didn't like it's weird sound, lack of power or horrible fuel mileage. But betting Ford has vastly improved the thing.

Good score S

I am always interested in what you will do to things. For your own sanity, do not subject it to the "Don effect" as some of my friends refer to things I own.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on June 17, 2019, 09:06:15 PM
Those excursions are heavy pigs but ride nice because of it. The V10 holds its own,  but a Cummins swap turns them into a heck of a rig.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 17, 2019, 09:12:33 PM
It uses the wrong fuel!

Well, if this wears out you can always Cummins swap them and I couldn’t find any non 6.0’s with low mileage
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 17, 2019, 09:16:31 PM
Those V10's are all over the place in heavy class C RV's. I have wondered how they would do in a lighter application. I drove one for a month out in the cali desert at Ft. Erwin. Have to say, I didn't like it's weird sound, lack of power or horrible fuel mileage. But betting Ford has vastly improved the thing.

Good score S

I am always interested in what you will do to things. For your own sanity, do not subject it to the "Don effect" as some of my friends refer to things I own.


Correct, no Don affect here. Limited build and drive it....
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 17, 2019, 09:18:29 PM
Those excursions are heavy pigs but ride nice because of it. The V10 holds its own,  but a Cummins swap turns them into a heck of a rig.

I’ve ran across quite a few of these with 300k on them still going.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on June 17, 2019, 09:33:32 PM
My brother's 01 f250 has 345k. Most we did is intake gaskets and a/c..nothing engine related
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 17, 2019, 09:35:28 PM
My brother's 01 f250 has 345k. Most we did is intake gaskets and a/c..nothing engine related

 :likebutton:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 17, 2019, 09:40:53 PM
Nice find Shawn.  I almost bought one new with the diesel way back when.  It was a moose.  Should have bought it.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 17, 2019, 09:44:05 PM
Nice find Shawn.  I almost bought one new with the diesel way back when.  It was a moose.  Should have bought it.

Thanks, if you don’t use that Cummins let me know....  :tongue:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 17, 2019, 09:58:47 PM
I'll find a home for it...you know im looking.....

I'm kinda dense.  I want a modern chassis with a old school body dropped on.  Maybe even A/C.....
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: wyorunner on June 17, 2019, 11:47:12 PM
I'll find a home for it...you know im looking.....

I'm kinda dense.  I want a modern chassis with a old school body dropped on.  Maybe even A/C.....

MAYBE AC? You must be crazier than I am to think you could live where you live without it!!! Several quality aftermarket AC options to make it work in basically anything.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 17, 2019, 11:58:32 PM
Here you all go DOTing my thread up with talk about luxury Redneck items such as aftermarket AC units. Thinking this needs its own thread, where are the mods I’m outraged!  :evil:   :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: wyorunner on June 18, 2019, 12:05:24 AM
Here you all go DOTing my thread up with talk about luxury Redneck items such as aftermarket AC units. Thinking this needs its own thread, where are the mods I’m outraged!  :evil:   :popcorn:

We’re just looking out for your best interest in case the ferd AC does die.

I had a 6.0 excursion in Afghanistan as my people mover on Kandahar.... it died towards the end of my trip and I left with it at the DYNCORP mechanics. It had been there for a couple months by the time I left with no sign of being repaired.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 18, 2019, 12:08:56 AM
I had an 04 f350 crew that tugged our 36’ enclosed exiss alum trailer around for 150K just fine. Then it started having issues and became a money pit........ 6.0L never again
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Flyin6 on June 18, 2019, 08:04:07 AM
I'll find a home for it...you know im looking.....

I'm kinda dense.  I want a modern chassis with a old school body dropped on.  Maybe even A/C.....
Like an International J20 body over a cut down silvy (Nice riding) frame/chassis, like that?

Or K20 body on same chassis, or old highboy bod, say 1978 ish on same chassis...
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on June 18, 2019, 08:17:09 AM
I'll find a home for it...you know im looking.....

I'm kinda dense.  I want a modern chassis with a old school body dropped on.  Maybe even A/C.....

sounds like what i’m doing.. ish.

does that make me dense? hah
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: EL TATE on June 18, 2019, 10:00:31 AM
Shawn, I haven't heard many gas engine related problems with those, but I have heard plenty of diesel problems with their high pressure oiling systems failing at very inopportune moments. seems like a good thing it's not ford diesel.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 18, 2019, 11:00:21 AM
Shawn, I haven't heard many gas engine related problems with those, but I have heard plenty of diesel problems with their high pressure oiling systems failing at very inopportune moments. seems like a good thing it's not ford diesel.

Agreed!  :likebutton:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on June 18, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
Shawn, I haven't heard many gas engine related problems with those, but I have heard plenty of diesel problems with their high pressure oiling systems failing at very inopportune moments. seems like a good thing it's not ford diesel.

funny.. mine just did that! fortunately it was at my house and a friend came and towed it to his shop. still spendy, but she’s fixed now.

who in their right mind would make an injector that required high pressure oil to function.

5.9s and 6.6s dont. maybe that’s why they are common swaps and not PS swaps. hahah
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: wilsonphil on June 18, 2019, 09:47:55 PM
Most Catiplillers are
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on June 18, 2019, 10:22:21 PM
Started with the 7.3s and they didn't have nearly as many issues as the 6.0s.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Nate on June 18, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
Started with the 7.3s and they didn't have nearly as many issues as the 6.0s.

Are you talking the 7.3 before or after ford bought out international/navstar?
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 18, 2019, 11:40:10 PM
Started with the 7.3s and they didn't have nearly as many issues as the 6.0s.

Are you talking the 7.3 before or after ford bought out international/navstar?

Ford didn’t buy out international, they sued IInternational over the 6.0L issues.....

On another note interesting fact. When the first 7.3L turbo diesels arrived at Ford they had 500k warranty tags on them per an engineer I worked with who was employed at Ford (I was still in high school then btw). Ford freaked out about those tags and next thing you know the 7.3L’s had 100k warranties instead.....
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on June 19, 2019, 07:12:45 AM
7.3s are tanks.. but dogs.

and from what i’ve always heard the 6.0s were tuned one way from international, but ford got them and turned them up to 360 hp which pushed head bolts and gaskets to their limit.. even though it’s a ‘factory’ tune.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on June 19, 2019, 09:27:44 AM
I had 5 or 6 come in for head gaskets , but only one needed it. The rest were egr and oil coolers. Local dealer diagnosed most of these.  Smh
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 19, 2019, 06:43:43 PM
7.3s are tanks.. but dogs.

and from what i’ve always heard the 6.0s were tuned one way from international, but ford got them and turned them up to 360 hp which pushed head bolts and gaskets to their limit.. even though it’s a ‘factory’ tune.

Correct international 6.0L is 200hp FYI
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 19, 2019, 06:47:59 PM
I had 5 or 6 come in for head gaskets , but only one needed it. The rest were egr and oil coolers. Local dealer diagnosed most of these.  Smh

At 150k my 04 f350 crew went in for injectors at dealer. Was there for a week and a bill of 3-5k can’t recall exactly. Wife’s dad was in area so dropped wife off to pick it up and she gets 3/4 the way home on a 45 min drive and calls me up. Says I think it’s doing same thing again. I said is it or isn’t it? She says it is and limps it home. They get a call and pick it up, another 2 weeks go by and I get a call your truck is done. So I go in and they hand me keys, no bill or paper work or explanation......
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 19, 2019, 08:21:00 PM
Quick update, drove the truck several hundred miles so far. Needs shocks, working on getting a set of radflo’s as I’m a dealer. Ordered a set of oem 2005 headlight lenses and will convert them. Looking at new shoes and will have to address the slop in steering. Some of which i think isn’t steering but poor shocks and is adding to poor handling. Thing is a pig and needs some help for the fat girl.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on June 19, 2019, 08:27:54 PM
grab a set of 08+ super duty mirrors.

you’ll thank me later.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 19, 2019, 08:41:32 PM
grab a set of 08+ super duty mirrors.

you’ll thank me later.

What’s the difference in the 08+ units?
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on June 19, 2019, 08:45:24 PM
square. bigger fish eye mirrors. better vision. i can see both rear tires to above the door handles in the lower fish eyes. and the large flat mirrors from the door handles up.

plus.. they look better. hah
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on June 19, 2019, 08:47:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VCGZtaS.jpg)
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 20, 2019, 08:40:04 AM
Copy, ordered a set. Was considering anyhow as these were originals and the extruded alum extensions were starting to lose their finish as they all do those years.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Flyin6 on June 20, 2019, 09:06:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VCGZtaS.jpg)
Clean looking SD, and correct stance too.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on June 20, 2019, 01:48:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VCGZtaS.jpg)
Clean looking SD, and correct stance too.

thank you sir.

been a lot of work with parts and pieces from all over to get it to where it is now.

add a leaf up front.. which ‘leveled’ it. but put a milk jug in the back and she slumped down some. no bueno
so.. swapped over to F350 blocks (3.5” tall instead of 2” tall from f250 blocks). done

2 steel wheel spacers to run newer 20” rims from 05+ SD trucks. (these are 07 king  ranch rim)

05-07 headlight conversion 
08+ mirrors.
08+ rear tail lights.
05-07 grill conversion.

and now i think i’m done with this one. just need it reliable until the square body LBZ is done. hah
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 28, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
So I’ve ordered a few things but have not had time to do anything with them. But the add on list as follows....

Cooper ATP tires 285/75R16 x 5 (tires on it I may run until this fall)

2008 tow mirrors

2005 headlights

And still looking at winches and possibly a hidden winch mount so I can keep stock front bumper

Did find some paint peeling in a couple spots top side so may have it linex’d across top. Have appointment for front window tint. And may just keep spare in rear but laid down on floor then build a cabinet over it with a flip out portion to lay over back rear seat when it is folded down. This would protect seat and make nice flat area for camping equipment storage.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on June 28, 2019, 08:18:26 PM
Shame you don't know anyone with a decent 24v. :sarc
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on June 28, 2019, 09:07:50 PM
Shame you don't know anyone with a decent 24v. :sarc

i actually know a guy who has one.. pretty clean too  :laugh:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 28, 2019, 09:19:16 PM
Sorry Ken it’s been a crap show last two days. Finally not raining so I started laying tile and sprinkler line in back yard last two days and moms pod showed up late yesterday so had to unload that and setup furniture etc for her.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on June 29, 2019, 02:57:29 AM
Whats rain??????
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: akcooper9 on June 29, 2019, 06:53:05 PM
Nice Ex, we have a suburban 2500 with a normal axle :) and love it.

7.3s with an SXE turbo and a tune run and tow great. Brings em into the modern era IMHO
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on June 29, 2019, 10:49:24 PM
Nice Ex, we have a suburban 2500 with a normal axle :) and love it.

7.3s with an SXE turbo and a tune run and tow great. Brings em into the modern era IMHO

Thanks, yeah would have loved a 7.3 but they ain’t worth the money imo....
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 07, 2019, 04:57:47 PM
Ok, so other than dragging my small trailer around I really haven’t had time to do any upgrades to it. Tires (cooper ATP E rated) should be here this week and after hauling 16 pieces of 16” sq pavers in back if it this morning I’ve decided the old tires will be going sooner than later. Haven’t checked but believe they are D rated at best judging sidewalls this morning on those well worn wranglers (not a fan of those tires btw).

I’ve done further research and banks kit is a waste of money on a v10. I may find a tuner and do the motor and trans with slight tow tune. In addition I checked and this came with 4.30 gears and limited slip rear. Seriously considering a grizzly locker for the rear in this though.
Title: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: wyorunner on July 07, 2019, 08:36:38 PM
Ok, so other than dragging my small trailer around I really haven’t had time to do any upgrades to it. Tires (cooper ATP E rated) should be here this week and after hauling 16 pieces of 16” sq pavers in back if it this morning I’ve decided the old tires will be going sooner than later. Haven’t checked but believe they are D rated at best judging sidewalls this morning on those well worn wranglers (not a fan of those tires btw).

I’ve done further research and banks kit is a waste of money on a v10. I may find a tuner and do the motor and trans with slight tow tune. In addition I checked and this came with 4.30 gears and limited slip rear. Seriously considering a grizzly locker for the rear in this though.

Which wrangler is on there currently? We have the all terrain adventure on our Toyota, came on the truck. Less than 25k on them and we’re down one out of the original 5 because of a hole that could not be plugged/patched. And another one has a slow leak. And they are well over half way gone. Figuring if we keep it and move it with us in January, it will need new tires before it gets on a boat.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 07, 2019, 08:44:38 PM
Turner, I’m not sure. Corners are worn pretty good on them but all in all they had a good 1/4” or more of tread across center. Plan was to keep them on until Sept. however we have two camping weekends coming up this summer and it will get loaded with gear and kids so not risking a blow out on used tires. I had noticed prior to buying it that at some point I believe it had a rear drivers blowout as inner fender liner (plastic) is busted up. I had these tires on a 3/4 ton D rated once and lost it coming across Cinci bridge on i75, was not much fun.....

Also worth noting I think these tires have been on there for a few years.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: wyorunner on July 08, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
Turner, I’m not sure. Corners are worn pretty good on them but all in all they had a good 1/4” or more of tread across center. Plan was to keep them on until Sept. however we have two camping weekends coming up this summer and it will get loaded with gear and kids so not risking a blow out on used tires. I had noticed prior to buying it that at some point I believe it had a rear drivers blowout as inner fender liner (plastic) is busted up. I had these tires on a 3/4 ton D rated once and lost it coming across Cinci bridge on i75, was not much fun.....

Also worth noting I think these tires have been on there for a few years.

Along with age, it’s not a small vehicle so I suppose there’s a wee bit difference in how the tires live. But still disappointed in these overall, certainly won’t buy them if and when we put tires on it.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 09, 2019, 09:04:04 PM
So new tires showed up according to tracking info. Need to get them picked up in next couple days and mounted. Lifting Baylee’s tj tomorrow with budget boost btw. I did try to sneak the new mirrors on today and ran into a slight issue. Although my pig has power and heated mirrors it has the older 2 connector version on the wiring versus the new single plug. So $21 later and I route from amazon I will have adapter plugs sometime tomorrow. I also purchased new door speakers as I have to remove speakers to run wiring for mirrors so might as well upgrade those too.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 10, 2019, 12:07:20 AM
Perfect!!


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 10, 2019, 06:51:25 AM
First steps to an oil change.....


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2019, 09:21:03 AM
First steps to an oil change.....


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Kinda what i was thinking.

It starts small and with good intentions...
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 10, 2019, 09:47:50 AM
Turner, those wranglers are SR-A’s for the record.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on July 10, 2019, 09:50:37 AM
First steps to an oil change.....


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At least Boss posted pics as he went along.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2019, 09:59:01 AM
Good one Ken

Nice catch right there!
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 10, 2019, 01:27:37 PM
Ken, sorry didn’t take pictures of taking stuff apart to put same stuff back in....

Well, I confirmed front axle is a 50...... so if I ever do get beyond the basic oil change say into an oil burner that will need addressed.

Also spoke with Tate the other day. This unit has a rear limited slip. Tate sells a better one or a grizzly. Not sure I want a grizzly in this and knowing the stock limited slip is functioning I think I will hold off on the rear. If I come across a good deal on a bolt in 60 front I’ll probably grab that and upgrade to 35 spline stubs, good Yukon lockouts and a grizzly up in the front. That upgrade I think would be wiser mo eye spent than messing with a rear locker at the moment.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: EL TATE on July 10, 2019, 02:22:11 PM
Ken, sorry didn’t take pictures of taking stuff apart to put same stuff back in....

Well, I confirmed front axle is a 50...... so if I ever do get beyond the basic oil change say into an oil burner that will need addressed.

Also spoke with Tate the other day. This unit has a rear limited slip. Tate sells a better one or a grizzly. Not sure I want a grizzly in this and knowing the stock limited slip is functioning I think I will hold off on the rear. If I come across a good deal on a bolt in 60 front I’ll probably grab that and upgrade to 35 spline stubs, good Yukon lockouts and a grizzly up in the front. That upgrade I think would be wiser mo eye spent than messing with a rear locker at the moment.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 10, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
Picked up new tires, stopped by discount tire to make appointment. Place was dead (very unusual) and now waiting as they are installing. No appointment needed, must be my lucky day!
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on July 10, 2019, 04:46:12 PM
Always had good luck with them. There is one close to my new property too, hope they are just as good.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 10, 2019, 05:03:49 PM
Always had good luck with them. There is one close to my new property too, hope they are just as good.

This one is on major highway near our house and normally always slammed. There is a small one near my shop I might try in the futur as they never seem busy but only a couple bays versus this 8 bay place.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Nate on July 10, 2019, 05:49:39 PM
Picked up new tires, stopped by discount tire to make appointment. Place was dead (very unusual) and now waiting as they are installing. No appointment needed, must be my lucky day!

Wheres my your #1 emoji......my afternoon got a bit better after i stepped away for an hour
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 10, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
Glad you afternoon got better!
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on July 10, 2019, 08:02:23 PM
i didn’t realize that the mirrors wouldn’t have adapter plugs. mine did. must have just been the kit or company i ordered them from.

my mistake
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 10, 2019, 08:47:29 PM
No worries, a little googlefu and I was gtg!
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 10, 2019, 09:27:07 PM
New tires with stiffer sidewalks helped dramatically. Next is a set of bilsteins....
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on July 11, 2019, 01:23:50 AM
No pictures, didn't happen.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 11, 2019, 10:38:25 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/cnsvuNw.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LDZVUS2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/dsNAUsl.jpg)
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 11, 2019, 12:00:24 PM
So spare tire is back in mostly stock location. Couple small modifications...

(http://i.imgur.com/2o6fz0h.jpg)

First we had to remove this from under where rear spare is located. It appears Ford engineers thought ahead or I lucked out and one was an off road guy who likes bigger tires? Either way, props to that guy!

(http://i.imgur.com/Znl3SxI.jpg)

So in the rear of this limited I can vent this large rear side windows. A larger tire once installed makes contact with that opener and it’s motorized so don’t need a burnt up motor.

So I dug around shop and found this rear floor mat from Baylee’s totaled Xj. I doubled it up and stuffed it between tire and rear panel gaining just enough room to clear that window vent opener. Mat may double as a knee pad or traction device in the future. Double win I think?

(http://i.imgur.com/49obPjk.jpg)
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 12, 2019, 10:18:14 AM
Second time having passenger side door apart, mirrors are substandard. After getting adapter plugs the mirror to plug adapter does not fit. Mirrors are getting sent back. Will have to find new source for mirrors, swbhobie16 you have a source? Frustrated, glad it’s friday!
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on July 12, 2019, 12:13:16 PM
Sell it. Move on.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on July 12, 2019, 02:40:08 PM
Second time having passenger side door apart, mirrors are substandard. After getting adapter plugs the mirror to plug adapter does not fit. Mirrors are getting sent back. Will have to find new source for mirrors, swbhobie16 you have a source? Frustrated, glad it’s friday!

i’ll see if i can look back and find the order. mine have been on for 2+ years with no issue. both power and heat work on them. sorry to hear you’re having issues with them
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 12, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
Sell it. Move on.

My offer still stands on the Cummins, maybe you should take your own advice????  :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 12, 2019, 03:44:59 PM
Second time having passenger side door apart, mirrors are substandard. After getting adapter plugs the mirror to plug adapter does not fit. Mirrors are getting sent back. Will have to find new source for mirrors, swbhobie16 you have a source? Frustrated, glad it’s friday!

i’ll see if i can look back and find the order. mine have been on for 2+ years with no issue. both power and heat work on them. sorry to hear you’re having issues with them

Don’t look too hard, I purchased a set from top gear auto sports. Best I can tell they have a better quality unit. We’ll see
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on July 13, 2019, 12:43:09 AM
Sell it. Move on.

My offer still stands on the Cummins, maybe you should take your own advice????  :popcorn:
I don't sell to lowballers,  especially hippy versions.  Plus,  I'd have to get dust on my hands getting it out of the shed...we know that ain't happening.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on July 13, 2019, 01:21:50 AM
Sell it. Move on.

My offer still stands on the Cummins, maybe you should take your own advice????  :popcorn:
I don't sell to lowballers,  especially hippy versions.  Plus,  I'd have to get dust on my hands getting it out of the shed...we know that ain't happening.

Sure H will help,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 13, 2019, 07:14:57 AM
Sell it. Move on.

My offer still stands on the Cummins, maybe you should take your own advice????  :popcorn:
I don't sell to lowballers,  especially hippy versions.  Plus,  I'd have to get dust on my hands getting it out of the shed...we know that ain't happening.


Since you weren’t delivering like that nice guy Phil it seemed like an honest offer......... Here again maybe they’re worth more at your shop?  :wink:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
^^^^ You boys

Sound like mine

Found then standing nose to nose yesterday, fists balled up

Couple of marks, but no real battle damage

Boys...
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2019, 05:49:47 PM
Picked up an 2004 F350 Dana 60 front yesterday for $100, its 3.73 instead of the 4.30 gears I need but will go through it and add a locker and Yukon lockouts. Most likely a mid winter project.

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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on September 17, 2019, 06:17:42 PM
Wow $100, can't beat that. Guess he didn't know what he had.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2019, 06:25:22 PM
Wow $100, can't beat that. Guess he didn't know what he had.

Actually JR he did, after I bought it I found his post on cl (I bought it via fb marketplace) in the cl post he mentioned selling them in past for $750. However, this one has been sitting awhile. The fb post he originally asked $400 but when I started talking to him he was down to $250. Before I agreed to come see it I had him to $150. Once I got there and saw it had been stored outside uncovered I asked if I could inspect internals assuming it would have some water in it which it did. Then mention cost of rebuild and bearings being expensive and he was glad I took it away for a hundred....... 
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on September 17, 2019, 07:44:35 PM
I know where a 24v is and it hasn't been outside. :P
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on September 17, 2019, 08:23:12 PM
The parts I have waiting for mine are scary, much of them Yukon  :wink:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2019, 08:42:57 PM
I know where a 24v is and it hasn't been outside. :P

Help me move these 2.5 ton Rockwell’s and I’ll buy that Cummins for a fair price.....  :wink:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on September 17, 2019, 09:01:57 PM
Quit playing around with those d60s and put the RWs to work. Problem solved.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2019, 09:17:21 PM
Quit playing around with those d60s and put the RWs to work. Problem solved.

Meh, the 60 is fine and I don’t plan on larger than 37’s anyhow on this truck ever. As for playing with axles I’m collecting 80’s as of late.....  :wink:

Rocks need to find a new home.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on September 17, 2019, 09:23:00 PM
Quit playing around with those d60s and put the RWs to work. Problem solved.

Meh, the 60 is fine and I don’t plan on larger than 37’s anyhow on this truck ever. As for playing with axles I’m collecting 80’s as of late.....  :wink:

Rocks need to find a new home.

i have a rear 80 i’m currently redoing.. maybe it’ll go better than dons  :grin: hahah
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2019, 09:48:02 PM
Quit playing around with those d60s and put the RWs to work. Problem solved.

Meh, the 60 is fine and I don’t plan on larger than 37’s anyhow on this truck ever. As for playing with axles I’m collecting 80’s as of late.....  :wink:

Rocks need to find a new home.

i have a rear 80 i’m currently redoing.. maybe it’ll go better than dons  :grin: hahah

What’s it out of? I’ve been looking for an older drum brake model. I have one but it’s that 2nd gen dodge model that’s technically an 80/70 hybrid narrows down b4 drum backing plates. The other ones I have were newer Ford disc units.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 17, 2019, 10:07:04 PM
I want a Jeep with Rockwell’s lol stock height. Make it so?


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2019, 10:36:26 PM
I want a Jeep with Rockwell’s lol stock height. Make it so?


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on September 17, 2019, 10:40:13 PM
Didn't that diesel program build a SxS with military axles and a new subframe?
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 17, 2019, 11:31:19 PM
Yes they did.  I think they called it “the failure”


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Title: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 17, 2019, 11:32:11 PM
https://youtu.be/rs-p7qlOk3M


I am no expert but that trail the escalator was pretty easy in a stock razor.  Straight forward. No turning and all the gas pedal.  I imagine in that stupid large thing it only made it more complicated than ad the moron tellingya what to do

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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 17, 2019, 11:38:08 PM
Not sure on those axles but not 2.5 tons, did use a driveline brake similar to what you can out on the 2.5 tons though.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on September 18, 2019, 12:02:56 AM
They used military axles, just not rockwells. Built a whole subframe and turbo'd it.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 18, 2019, 12:04:25 AM
Stock rzr can come with a turbo, but it’s an option. I think they added a larger turbo maybe


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on September 18, 2019, 08:00:24 AM
Quit playing around with those d60s and put the RWs to work. Problem solved.

Meh, the 60 is fine and I don’t plan on larger than 37’s anyhow on this truck ever. As for playing with axles I’m collecting 80’s as of late.....  :wink:

Rocks need to find a new home.

i have a rear 80 i’m currently redoing.. maybe it’ll go better than dons  :grin: hahah

What’s it out of? I’ve been looking for an older drum brake model. I have one but it’s that 2nd gen dodge model that’s technically an 80/70 hybrid narrows down b4 drum backing plates. The other ones I have were newer Ford disc units.

from what i can tell (need to pull BOM to confirm) it’s a mid 90s ford E series dually van disk unit. (ambulance)

sucker is heavy as lead. has 4.56s in it now if anyone wants them. guy is going to 4.10.

i may know where a drum unit is (same guy that had the 29 spline 205) not far from me. i think he was asking $500 for it since it was pulled from a driving truck and stored inside
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 18, 2019, 08:05:34 AM
Might be interested in those gears, axle is too rich for my blood and too heavy to move cross country.

However, assuming the tubes are not necked down at the drum backing plate could you pull a couple measurements for me?
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on September 18, 2019, 08:11:18 AM
Might be interested in those gears, axle is too rich for my blood and too heavy to move cross country.

However, assuming the tubes are not necked down at the drum backing plate could you pull a couple measurements for me?

i’ll let you know about gears. haven’t pulled them yet. the 4.10s are on a detroit but has been out of a truck for awhile. is it possible to clean it up and re oil it?

i’ll ask my buddy about the 80 and make sure. i’m sure he can get some measurements
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 18, 2019, 09:16:53 AM
Gears, are they pitted or just surface? You can always try and see what kind of pattern you can get.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: KensAuto on September 18, 2019, 09:57:29 AM
They used military axles, just not rockwells. Built a whole subframe and turbo'd it.
Mrap I believe. Modern 2.5 tons.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Nate on September 18, 2019, 10:54:11 AM
They used military axles, just not rockwells. Built a whole subframe and turbo'd it.
Mrap I believe. Modern 2.5 tons.

I believe the old 5 ton like ken has is/was the last vehicle in the military to use those axles?
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on September 18, 2019, 11:08:08 AM
big sucker

(https://i.imgur.com/pyLbaxI.jpg)

gears

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can anyone do anything with these numbers??

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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 18, 2019, 11:13:12 AM
I’m sure Tate can
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: EL TATE on September 18, 2019, 11:57:54 AM
should be a 60xxxx-x formatted number on there somewhere, usually passenger side axle tube. I haven't gotten anywhere yet with what you've got posted, I'll let you know, but see if you can find the BOM#
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: rpar86 on September 18, 2019, 10:14:08 PM
Stumped me for a moment there with the pinion stuck into the ring/whatever.


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: swbhobie16 on September 19, 2019, 08:16:52 AM
Stumped me for a moment there with the pinion stuck into the ring/whatever.


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hahah. yea. looks alittle odd i know. seemed to be the best way to store it and not have it knicked up
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: EL TATE on September 19, 2019, 11:47:38 AM
did it actually spline into the side gear? if so, you have a 37 spline tracklock d80 most likely f450 application pre 2005. any luck w/ the BOM number?
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on November 09, 2019, 09:48:27 PM
Slight update and thinking out loud, I changed rear brakes a couple weeks back and that went smooth (rotors and pads) then decided to swap shocks. Only to find out the vendor sent me 4 front 5100’s and bilstein after some digging does not make a 5100 for the rear, only the front. So I ordered a couple lesser quality bilsteins for the rear.

A prior someone had swapped shock on rear drivers side at some point. Lost hardware and used regular bolts and nuts in the top mount. They had since seized and I spent several hours with an air operated jab saw trying to get that old shock out.

Fast forward to this morning. I have a passenger side front inner seal leaking like that’s it’s job. I have an 04 front 60 in my possession along with a set of reverse cut 60 gears in 4.56 (can’t recall if they are thick cut or not as I need to check again) but I’m pretty sure with the oem 4.30’s they run a thick cut gear and 4.10 / numerically lower carrier? My plan is to regear / rebuild the front with Yukon lock outs and 35 spline stubs. I’m leaning towards a spartan lunch box locker just to keep costs down. It will see minimal 4x use and with lock outs I don’t see a reason to buy a grizzly for few hundred more.

Any thoughts? Tate, feel free to voice your opinion as well if you see this. Thanks

Edit: after further thought and with spare parts galore I’m Thinking about keeping the outer 30 spline stuff and running oem lockouts even
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: EL TATE on November 11, 2019, 12:24:25 PM
for what you're going to be doing, there's nothing wrong with the spartan and you've got ample misc parts to maintain 30 spline. this isn't going to be some zombie apocalypse vehicle, so just K.I.S.S.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 11, 2019, 04:25:03 PM
Hell it still get better mpg than the burb lol


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on November 12, 2019, 01:35:04 PM
Ok, so short update. Spoke with Tate at Randy’s Ring and Pinion. I now have gears coming for the sterling, front and rear install kits and a spartan locker for up front. Located a complete sterling 10.5 with Detroit for fair price locally. Trying to acquire it and then use Detroit for rear. If not I guess I’ll do a rebuild kit on limited slip in the truck now when I do gears.  Pics of the 60 front tear down coming soon.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on May 21, 2021, 02:46:30 PM
With the cost of everything skyrocketing I decide to keep excursion. So I ordered new springs from alcan today. 4” lift in the rear while removing oem 2.5” block and upgrading to 3k# springs back there. Up front 4” lift oem weight which after taking rear block out should get me close to level. Dana 60 will go in up front as well as a regear and carrier upgrade in rear. Thinking newer oem electric locker.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on May 21, 2021, 07:47:15 PM
So after further research I can buy the oem 2011-2019 sterling electric locker for sub $500 I’ll have to wire it in but I think that’s a plan.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on July 21, 2021, 08:59:22 PM
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Stripped this 2004 F350 Dana 60 down last night and removed knuckles / ball joints. I plugged the outer tubes with used shop rags and put cover back on then took it to sand blaster w/ fummins wheels this morning.

I then ordered the remaining parts to freshen up this axle and steering on the excursion. That came in around $1k and I already had on hand the Spartan locker, the gears (4.56 reverse rotation courtesy of Big D “thanks again” left over from some build he didn’t complete or build took different directions) master bearing / seal install kit, new spicer ujoints for shafts and Yukon HD lockouts. Obviously it goes without saying our own Tate @ Randy’s has been the go to for the upgrade components.

I’ll be keeping the stock 30 spline stubs, because I have plenty of spares. The new unit bearings coming are Timken and I’ll rob the new skf passenger side unit I just put on the Dana 50 a couple months back as the backup.

Tomorrow I buzz across the Rockies to pickup the new leaf springs for the excursion courtesy of Alcan Springs in Grand Junction, CO.

I spoke with Tate this morning and he should be assembling the grizzly locker next week that is currently out of stock for the Sterling 10.5 rear axle. The 35” bfg all terrains and 18” wheels I originally bought for fummins will be getting stuffed under the excursion.

I recently serviced transmission at 165K and flushed coolant. Only a couple specs of something in the trans pan. The front Dana 50 has seen better days though. It has a passenger side inner axle seal leak, worn out everything on steering and driver upper ball joint is a tad loose. The rebuilt Dana 60 should cure all of this.


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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on August 13, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
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So I put the front axle shafts back together with new spicer u-joints this morning and added a Spartan lunchbox locker into a spare Dana 60 open carrier to be used in the front 60. Went shopping in loft only to realize I’m short a Dana 60 master install kit currently. However, I did find a NOS set of reverse cut Yukon 4.56 Dana 60 gears Big D sent me several years ago after a project changed directions & he had them left over. Just what I needed for the DD upgrade!

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Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 04, 2021, 05:18:45 PM
So as I’m waiting so impatiently for the final couple of parts to arrive so I can assemble my axles it dawned on me. I have a Yukon air operated zip locker for a front 60 as well as a Yukon air compressor kit. I already installed the Spartan in a 60 carrier but thinking maybe I should use the zip locker instead? What do you all think, of course that doesn’t include you Ken…….
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on September 05, 2021, 08:01:08 PM
For a DD i would go with the air locker. I've used the drop in lockers (rear) and the manors can be odd, not good for steering IMHO.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 05, 2021, 08:39:56 PM
For a DD i would go with the air locker. I've used the drop in lockers (rear) and the manors can be odd, not good for steering IMHO.

My thought was it doesn’t matter, Yukon hd lockouts & part time transfer case.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on September 05, 2021, 09:27:40 PM
I've had the drop in catch, then let got at odd times depending on power and turning. Sure with PT TC you know when you in and locked, but the air woun't let go oe snap on/off.

Just what happen to me in my younger years, maybe they have improved?
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 05, 2021, 10:30:34 PM
I've had the drop in catch, then let got at odd times depending on power and turning. Sure with PT TC you know when you in and locked, but the air woun't let go oe snap on/off.

Just what happen to me in my younger years, maybe they have improved?

Copy, I personally wouldn’t run a Spartan in anything smaller than a d60. I like the idea of putting it in and forgetting about it. With air it can and will leak at some point…..
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: EL TATE on September 07, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
d60 spartan is nearly the size of a 14t grizzly. I wouldn't sweat it at all. with lockouts you'll be just fine. just make sure your driveline is well balanced.
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: cj7ox on September 07, 2021, 02:48:25 PM
And be prepared for an "interesting" ride if you ever have the need to limp it home in front wheel drive. ;-)
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2021, 05:42:24 PM
And be prepared for an "interesting" ride if you ever have the need to limp it home in front wheel drive. ;-)
^^^ Sounds like experience talking ;-)
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: JR on September 07, 2021, 07:03:29 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: EL TATE on September 08, 2021, 10:00:00 AM
And be prepared for an "interesting" ride if you ever have the need to limp it home in front wheel drive. ;-)

I have that T-shirt too :wink:
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: stlaser on September 08, 2021, 02:23:08 PM
There was a t-shirt? All I ended up with was a long night/early morning on a trail ironically call damnation in the SE Tuck……
Title: Re: 2001 Excursion Shop Truck / Family Hauler
Post by: cj7ox on September 08, 2021, 03:27:10 PM
There was a t-shirt? All I ended up with was a long night/early morning on a trail ironically call damnation in the SE Tuck……

 :laugh:
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