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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2015, 10:19:49 AM »
Copy, never heard of a company doing this. Good idear though.........

Our new project will likely roll with 42" swampers that i will have spun ground to make round.


What is this spun ground you speak of? Burnouts?
No, you know about grinding tires round, right?

A machine rotates the wheel while a knife scalps the high areas, effectively making the tires round.

Those old swampers and any tire that company made was never round, but they got great traction in extreme conditions. So we'd buy the tires, mount then, have them cut round
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« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2015, 10:57:11 AM »
Looks like this:
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2015, 11:09:39 AM »
40k on a good traction tire is great wear.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #53 on: November 23, 2015, 11:31:08 AM »
Anyone ever hear about Federal tires?
They have a 37/12.50 R18 selling for just under $300
That is outstanding
I'd like to know if I'd be out-standing in the cold on a trail somewhere due to tire failure if I used them???
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #54 on: November 23, 2015, 11:35:09 AM »
Hang on...

Majic 8 ball says "Probably So"   :-\
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #55 on: November 23, 2015, 12:15:22 PM »
Hang on...

Majic 8 ball says "Probably So"   :-\
Sounds definitive!
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2015, 06:39:54 PM »

Anyone ever hear about Federal tires?
They have a 37/12.50 R18 selling for just under $300
That is outstanding
I'd like to know if I'd be out-standing in the cold on a trail somewhere due to tire failure if I used them???

A guy I worked with this year picked up a set for his f250.  He like them. Said they howled a bit but overall decent.  He got a set of factory size 20s for around $900 to his door.  Can't beat that with a stick.


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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2015, 07:25:30 PM »
They look close to the newer Cooper STT.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2015, 10:09:12 PM »
I have found them for sale all the way back to $267 apiece. Even with adding shipping, around $300, that's a deal for a 37" tire.

The local guys will sell them to me for $309 installed with a free alignment and free rotation and balance for life. So $1550 for 5 tires balanced and looking pretty. Not bad at all, but they have to order them and are telling me 30 days...
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #59 on: November 26, 2015, 08:10:57 AM »
I have found them for sale all the way back to $267 apiece. Even with adding shipping, around $300, that's a deal for a 37" tire.

The local guys will sell them to me for $309 installed with a free alignment and free rotation and balance for life. So $1550 for 5 tires balanced and looking pretty. Not bad at all, but they have to order them and are telling me 30 days...

Have you checked out the Cooper STT Maxs' or whatever they are called. I've seen some lifted diesels up here with them.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!
your standard grunt level CQB is just putting rounds and rounds on scary stuff till it stops scaring you!

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2015, 09:13:12 AM »
I have found them for sale all the way back to $267 apiece. Even with adding shipping, around $300, that's a deal for a 37" tire.

The local guys will sell them to me for $309 installed with a free alignment and free rotation and balance for life. So $1550 for 5 tires balanced and looking pretty. Not bad at all, but they have to order them and are telling me 30 days...

Have you checked out the Cooper STT Maxs' or whatever they are called. I've seen some lifted diesels up here with them.
Sure have Bobby
They are a bit spendy, like around $500 more for the set of 5.

I like them though. The 5th group guys out of Kandahar and Cobra had DMV's with them mounted up and liked them a lot in that terrain.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #61 on: November 26, 2015, 10:14:19 AM »
sounds to me like that just gave the reason to spend the extra $500................... ??? ?
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #62 on: November 26, 2015, 10:46:42 AM »
I think I just found the ultimate trail tire with decent pricing and both AT and MT elements.
Kanati Trail Hog

Size 37 12.50/R18  $269 ea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See who has them tomorrow.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2015, 10:51:21 AM »
Those look VERY similar to the Duratracs.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!
your standard grunt level CQB is just putting rounds and rounds on scary stuff till it stops scaring you!

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2015, 10:58:29 AM »
Why sir, I believe you are correct

Duratrac and a trail hog
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #65 on: November 26, 2015, 11:00:39 AM »
Just checked. Duratracs do not come in the 37 12.50/R18 size
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #66 on: November 26, 2015, 11:01:49 AM »
Just checked. Duratracs do not come in the 37 12.50/R18 size
Freakin Chinamen

Copying us again, changing a couple things and claiming they have a new idea

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #67 on: November 26, 2015, 11:06:04 AM »
Personally I'd stick with tires you know are good. Once I get the spare set of wheels sandblasted and powdercoated for XJ, I'm throwing some STT Maxxs' on for my camping/exploring tires. I think they'd work out rather well for you.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #68 on: December 04, 2015, 01:58:12 PM »
Well I pulled trigger on a set of duratracs, first non BFG truck tires I have bought in years. I was actually feeling a little guilty. You see when we had the race team BF sponsored us tons of tires. Very expensive tires non the less so in a way they bought my business. Then they went from the KM to the KM2 and severely disappointed me. Great off road tire but multiple reasons as an all around truck tire they suck in comparison. So feeling guilty and all I was looking at buying KM2's again but fate stepped in and the size I needed 285/75R16 are on national back order for 4-6 weeks. So that gave me the peace of mind to go another route. 
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #69 on: December 04, 2015, 02:50:11 PM »
My 8k lb truck absolutely hated the km2 35s. They did all sorts of crazy "balance" things. Beads did no good. They just couldn't handle the weight at highway speeds. I sure liked them off road tho.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #70 on: December 04, 2015, 04:04:03 PM »
I just read a pretty decent thread on AT tires at Expo. The one caveat I would have is that most of the uses they described are not the heavier loads that many here use so as with anything YMMV. But I like how they approached the tests from a scientific standpoint for all the different attributes.

http://expeditionportal.com/where-the-rubber-meets-the-road/

At the time of the test the new KO2's were not available but there was a long term review of them posted as well that may interest some. It was on a Jeep so again lacks the heavy aspect but figured I would pass it along as well.

http://expeditionportal.com/nmbrs-long-term-bfgoodrich-ko2-review-15000-mile-report/

 

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #71 on: December 04, 2015, 04:57:26 PM »
Same here on F350 crew cab dually they sucked at speed...... Spent a lot of money on balancing as well.

My 8k lb truck absolutely hated the km2 35s. They did all sorts of crazy "balance" things. Beads did no good. They just couldn't handle the weight at highway speeds. I sure liked them off road tho.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #72 on: December 05, 2015, 08:50:49 PM »
Anyone ever hear about Federal tires?
They have a 37/12.50 R18 selling for just under $300
That is outstanding
I'd like to know if I'd be out-standing in the cold on a trail somewhere due to tire failure if I used them???

JUNK!! ABSOLUTE JUNK!!! Believe me when I say I have handled way to many cases here at the dealership with crap tires and these are one of my #1 culprits.
Other dealerships and wholesale flippers around the area buy base model Rental trucks and jeeps @ auctions I attend. Spend 5k on lift, wheels, tires, exhaust, aftermarket leather, gawdy chrome crap and dvds, navigation...blah blah blah....
Then  they offer them for sale to the public for BLOOD MONEY....(5-10K over retail)..only because they "look cool"....
Then people finance a mortgage payment on said vehicle and come to my dealership to trade said vehicle complaining that they just bought it and it rides like crap and cant hear themselves talk.. AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY ARE 15-20K UPSIDE DOWN!!!!

I Just replaced a set of "NEW" Federal 37's on a jeep that we took in trade. Could not get to balance. on every damn special machine in the area.... obviously out of round (if you can call a square tire that), but of course myself not being the original purchaser of said tires. Federal will not warranty the issue. Id rather buy Nittos through discount tire any day of the week. I can usually get a 35" mounted and balanced for $1200 out the door (no tax for re-sellers) in the case of 37's its about $1450.

This isn't the first time nor the last, I just know when I take a vehicle like that in trade that I will inevitably replace the tires or send straight to auction.

Just an insight into the dealership life and friendly reminder to not waste your money. ;D

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #73 on: December 05, 2015, 09:08:12 PM »
My 35/12-5-17s cooper stt were 1800 otd. 320 rebates. 500 for old set. Including new rims.

 Balanced fine. Still good after 5k show little wear.

18 in and the price jumps. Think these are still E rating
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2015, 10:18:11 PM »
You guys are makin' sense

I must have been going temporarily insane

Last night I drove down to Lexington to attend an event. Drove at 76 MPH with my 4.56 gears the motor was singing a pretty tune, like around 2300 RPM. Corresponding fuel consumption, as in it was consumin' some fuel!

Incidentally, I paid just $1.19 a gallon for that stuff, must have been mostly water or something, but haven't seen that price since the 1990's!

I can do several things here

1. Just buy two new 35-12.50 R18 Toyo MT's and call it a day

2. Buy a set of 5ea 37" tires for the 18" rims I have

3. Mount up a set of 35" AT tires for my 18" wheels

4. Buy a set of 17" wheels and go with either 37" or 35" MT's or AT's

So truth is I only get off road (Really off road) about once a week and do a lot of highway driving at 70 MPH. So the truth of the matter is that what I should be using is a good AT tire.

That's what I like about that Kanita tire, has blocks on the shoulder like a MT tire, but an AT tread in the middle.

The BFG KO2's are nice, well, great, but now very spendy. Another tire which I used in years past is the General grabber AT. looks something like the BFG AT and lasts a long time. I used to go everywhere with those tires mounted on my 94 F250 PS 7.3, 4.10 gear 5 speed.

If I had to buy tomorrow, I would get an AT. Bobby's suggestion is a darned good tire. Might have to look at that one again...
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2015, 11:38:59 PM »
with the 4.56, you need 37s.  Should drop your RPMs at 76 from 2300 to about 2175, which is muy better.

You mean $1.91?  Where you buying farm fuel for $1.19?
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #76 on: December 08, 2015, 09:33:59 AM »
My guess is it was Kroger after he cashed in his rebates for buying all those groceries.....
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #77 on: December 08, 2015, 10:30:40 AM »
with the 4.56, you need 37s.  Should drop your RPMs at 76 from 2300 to about 2175, which is muy better.

You mean $1.91?  Where you buying farm fuel for $1.19?
I concur with the 37" RPM thing

Nope, one dollar, nineteen cents!

I get a local discount from the marked $2.09 at the pump
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« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2015, 10:31:01 AM »
My guess is it was Kroger after he cashed in his rebates for buying all those groceries.....
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #79 on: December 11, 2015, 02:32:33 PM »
dunno if I'm late to the party, but I've found this site fairly useful and accurate in regards to gears, tires and RPMs

http://www.grimmjeeper.com/gears.html

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« Reply #80 on: December 11, 2015, 04:01:34 PM »
dunno if I'm late to the party, but I've found this site fairly useful and accurate in regards to gears, tires and RPMs

http://www.grimmjeeper.com/gears.html
I like that! Think I'll Sticky it

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #81 on: December 11, 2015, 04:05:44 PM »
not a problem.. just glad to have made a contribution.

may have set the bar too high.. hahah

I've just been snooping around the internetzz for awhile with jeep stuff (V8 swap into an XJ and such..) and found it very useful.

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #82 on: December 11, 2015, 04:25:35 PM »
Sold a lot of those federals back in the day. Bargain basement junk Don. Sidewalls are not very well reinforced which contributes to the lousy ride, balance issues, and easily made punctures on the trail.
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« Reply #83 on: December 11, 2015, 08:40:21 PM »
I say get the STTs from Cooper. You already know that they are effective.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!
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« Reply #84 on: December 11, 2015, 10:13:01 PM »
I don't have many miles on my set, but i've liked by Cooper ATPs a lot so far... which is like the AT3 but is the Discount Tire exclusive

The ST MAXX i've heard is a dang good tire... it's more of an AT/MT hybrid... and they do make them in 37s. Maybe something to consider

Here's the ST MAXX

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #85 on: December 12, 2015, 10:22:48 AM »
^^^ Definitely more of an AT

Federals are off the radar

Who knows the Kanati tire product?
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #86 on: December 17, 2015, 09:55:51 PM »
I am pretty sure i'm buying 6ea Goodyear Duratraks but I'm still looking at the Coopers.  since I am on the road 70% of the time I am not 100% convinced I want to a straight mud tire.

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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #87 on: December 17, 2015, 10:11:00 PM »
I bought the duratrac a couple weeks back & am very pleased with them. Not too noisy on the street & they handle well. Have had them up to 80mph & are pretty smooth. I have them on my jk & dt had them at 60psi (way too much for light jk) they road like a log wagon. Dropped them back to 40psi and they smoothed right out. All the jeep guys who run them on those forums claim at 40psi they wear even.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2016, 10:26:57 PM »
Got some new boots for the truck today, and got rid of those darn Mud Grapplers. What a difference!
I was really torn between keeping some type of MT or switching to ATs, but ended up with the Nitto Trail Graps. I don't put that many miles on it, and there are times I've needed the extra bite, especially in a couple spots I've pulled the new 5ver.









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« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2016, 10:29:37 PM »
There may, or may not, have been some high speed-stock tire-truing-burning just prior to installing these! lol


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« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2016, 11:04:45 PM »
New 5er!?!?!?!?!?!?

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« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2016, 11:21:00 PM »
Same new old one Nate. Still new to me!
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2016, 12:51:34 AM »
Has anyone tried the toyo open country A/T 2 tires yet?

Edit: nevermind, just found the other thread with at tires.
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« Reply #93 on: August 13, 2016, 12:23:12 AM »
I don't have many miles on my set, but i've liked by Cooper ATPs a lot so far... which is like the AT3 but is the Discount Tire exclusive

The ST MAXX i've heard is a dang good tire... it's more of an AT/MT hybrid... and they do make them in 37s. Maybe something to consider

Here's the ST MAXX

I may try a set of these for my next set since I recently found out the tires I have 70,000 miles on is no longer made. I also found last week that I installed those tires on March 20, 2011 at 114k miles. On the way home the truck hit 184k miles. It does help that I drive like an old man and it's mostly on pavement these days but 70k+ miles on a 3/4 ton diesel tickles me pink. My old tires are LT 265/75R16 BFG Rugged Trails. Although I need a little more aggressive tire now, I would've bought these again if they were still made.



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« Reply #94 on: August 13, 2016, 12:31:54 AM »
Im liking my exo grapplers I just bought.  Better than the mall terrain Terra grappler g2s on the lB7
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« Reply #95 on: August 13, 2016, 12:48:20 AM »
Those appear to have similar specs as the ST MAXX but brings me to my other problem which is 16" wheels. They're only offered in 17, 18, and 20". As much as I would like to buy the H2 wheels I found today, investing towards our retirement and future kids' college funds are more important obligations. Being a responsible adult sucks sometimes.


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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #96 on: August 13, 2016, 10:05:05 AM »
Yes it does. Especially when so many are sucking off the government teet


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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #97 on: August 13, 2016, 10:36:59 AM »
So I went to go price out my next set of Toyo M55's yesterday.
They tell me that Nitto and Toyo are on in the same.
I'm between 55-60k on the set I have now, and don't want a different compound. 

"The NITTO HD GRAPPLER is the exact same tire that you requested ( difference being the name ) Speaking with the REP. For Nitto/Toyo I confirmed this."

They're not done yet, about 8/32 front, and 12/32 rears after the last rotation.
But winter is coming, and that likely isn't enough for grip purposes.

They've stood up better than anything I've ran so far.
Nitto Terra Graplers being second, at about 25-30 k. They were chunked out badly, and letting rock pass inside at that point.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #98 on: August 13, 2016, 12:36:42 PM »
I have had both the Nittos and the Toyos, both getting 50-60k easy. But I am not hard on em as in braking and cornering but don't consider I go real easy on em too.

I do like the Toyos better, but have coopers stt's now. They are wearing good, but mileage is down.
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Re: Mud tire thread
« Reply #99 on: August 13, 2016, 02:21:33 PM »
I seem to have resolved my earlier wheel size issue. Turns out I have something laying around that another guy can use, and he has a set of 17" H2 wheels with 285/75R16 Cooper AT3 tires with decent life left in them. I'll run those during winter/hunting season and put my factory wheels with BFG Rugged Trails back on during the summer months. Running them in that manner I shouldn't need tires for a while now but when I do I'll have the 16 or 17" wheel option.


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