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Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2015, 06:37:45 PM
OK, been spending so much time on SquareD that Poor C-Max (Combat max, and yes that's a joke...) has been neglected.

Well, not completely. Recently I had to rebuild the AD165 fuel pump, which I would no longer recommend due to the fact that the motor failed for no good reason in about 35,000 miles!

I had not registered my purchase with AirDog and although I had the receipt, they would not warranty the unit and I paid something short of $300 for new parts. No worries, Fass is out there along with others for my future builds.

With that done, one of the crappy HID headlights burned out, then a second, then a third, and then one of the HID Hella, spots. What did I learn from that? I am done with the HID junk which is mostly awful and cheaply made chinaman junk. The Chinese manufacturers spend more time on packaging and bling than on product quality.

Want another example? I had two of the ball joints wear out in those Cognito control arms, They did not last 40,000 miles! Having discovered the worn ball joints while on the alignment rack we decided to change them on the spot so they did with parts from AutoZone from across the street (Read: Cheap junky Chinese parts!) Well today I was looking at the not quite year old ball joints with maybe 1.000 miles on them and noticed the rubber grease boots are heavily cracked, nearly through at this time, so the ball joints will need replacement again.

Well onto the HID replacement. First the radiator guard, grill, and headlights get pulled
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2015, 06:38:35 PM
This time I am going to LED bulbs. These are very high powered and run at 6000K
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2015, 06:39:55 PM
I had to strip out all the old HID wiring which was fun actually, since the LED bulb installation is much cleaner
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2015, 06:41:02 PM
Then the new bulbs go in and hook to their ignition modules and just like that, you're done!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2015, 06:42:08 PM
And they work!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2015, 06:43:48 PM
Next, I applied the "Real Man" decals to get the truck properly branded!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2015, 06:47:25 PM
Here are some shots of the truck down at the farm "Mall Crawling"

It's off road here, and in low range but really, there was nothing challenging at all about the brief off road venture. But it was fun!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2015, 06:49:52 PM
Oh, yes...I did paint the Chevy bow tie. But only because it was chipping apart from the inside. It is now a nice shade of O D Green!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 27, 2015, 07:38:27 PM
OK, been spending so much time on SquareD that Poor C-Max (Combat max, and yes it's a joke...) has been neglected.

Well, not completely. Recently I had to rebuild the AD165 fuel pump, which I would no longer recommend due to the fact that the motor failed for no good reason in about 35,000 miles!

I had not registered my purchase with AirDog and although I had the receipt, they would not warranty the unit and I paid something short of $300 for new parts. No worries, Fass is out there along with others for my future builds.

With that done, one of the crappy HID headlights burned out, then a second, then a third, and then one of the HID Hella, spots. What did I learn from that? I am done with the HID junk which is mostly awful and cheaply made chinaman junk. The Chinese manufacturers spend more time on packaging and bling than on product quality.

Want another example? I had two of the ball joints wear out in those Cognito control arms, They did not last 40,000 miles! Having discovered the worn ball joints while on the alignment rack we decided to change them on the spot so they did with parts from AutoZone from across the street (Read: Cheap junky Chinese parts!) Well today I was looking at the not quite year old ball joints with maybe 1.000 miles on them and noticed the rubber grease boots are heavily cracked, nearly through at this time, so the ball joints will need replacement again.

Well onto the HID replacement. First the radiator guard, grill, and headlights get pulled

Sorry about the AD Don,  both mine have been bulletproof so far.  I too have had poor results with cheap HIDs.  I paid the extra $$ for the genuine Phillips and have not been dissapointed to date, but I could buy 10 sets of Chinese junk for the one set of Phillips. 

Am digging on the decals for the RMTWS on the CMAX.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on March 27, 2015, 08:01:15 PM
C-max is alive!?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 27, 2015, 09:52:50 PM
I have been neglecting mine too. Not the driving, but doing!!

I went through a set of hubs and ball joints, but all will be new again when lifted.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2015, 12:00:26 AM
Yea, I'm itchin' to build a brush guard for the front and a roof rack. I need a place to mount a hi-lift jack, so I'm thinking in front of the radiator where it can shove stuff out of the way. Maybe put a shovel and axe up there too!

Then I have to OD green the bike and bolt up a 40mm pumper carb...Then there's bush hogging down at the farm and the ever present bed cutting-in and mulching...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: CHEVSILVER1500 on March 28, 2015, 01:32:09 AM
Curious to hear how you like the LED bulbs for the headlights. I'm in the market for something different for my 13 but don't want to go the hid route with it.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2015, 10:14:55 AM
Curious to hear how you like the LED bulbs for the headlights. I'm in the market for something different for my 13 but don't want to go the hid route with it.
For the short term usage report, of about a week-10 days, I give them high marks. Having said that, the HID's were outstanding during the same time frame.
I can say that they put out a lot of light. But the real test lies in the reliability. That, of course, will take time...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Drunksailor on March 29, 2015, 07:08:00 AM
Glad to see Cmax is alive and don has hurt himself since i was last present. My cognito ball joints also went out but i replaced them with some moog ones  aka "problem solvers" and I've put 3,000 on them with not a sign of damage (just got another alignment before i left and there was zero play). Hows the knee big don?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 29, 2015, 08:12:31 AM
Glad to see Cmax is alive and don has hurt himself since i was last present. My cognito ball joints also went out but i replaced them with some moog ones  aka "problem solvers" and I've put 3,000 on them with not a sign of damage (just got another alignment before i left and there was zero play). Hows the knee big don?
Hey Bro...Velcro still keeping you busy I see...

I think I'll go to those Moog and get rid of this chinaman junk...Was thinking of wrapping all these defective parts with tannerite. Then place them in the bullseye on a 500-600 meter range I am thinking about down on the farm. Take them out with honor with my M1A NM gun. Springfield bringing it home! Love that gun.

Ah knee...well I had some folks in the church pray over it. Full laying on of hands and all that, and well, I didn't have the 26 Dec surgery and have been working it out...dunno, but it's werkin'
Duane and I were down on the farm a couple days ago scouting it for turkey. Up one hill, down another...next day I definitely knew about it...
No one gets out of life alive...I just drive on and get ready for the next oporder briefing

You be safe!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 30, 2015, 04:04:06 AM
yep, you need somethin up on that roof. It looks bare!!! Maybe an LED light bar or 2 that could be moved to a rack later?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Dustoff35 on March 30, 2015, 11:40:52 AM
yep, you need somethin up on that roof. It looks bare!!! Maybe an LED light bar or 2 that could be moved to a rack later?

Good thing it was bare on Friday or cedar branches would have been brought along for the ride!  The farm road is a little over-grown!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Drunksailor on April 03, 2015, 07:52:23 AM
Don where did you order the led lights from. And whats the new verdict now that they have been in for a bit.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 03, 2015, 10:36:09 AM
Don where did you order the led lights from. And whats the new verdict now that they have been in for a bit.
Well, it hasn't been very long but they are a solid A+ thus far. Lots of light and a hint of blue (6000K) just like the HID's. I like bluish hues because of my NVG night flying days. Less eye strain IMHO.
They have a smallish control box/power supply or whatever that thing is. About 1/4 the bulk and clutter as those junky chinaman HID's

Comment here, anybody notice that the low quality Chinaman junk is actually of an even lower quality these days? Chinaman brake rotors require turning to true them out of the box. Chinaman rubber like my HF air hoses and A-zone ball joints boots fail in about a year as opposed to firestone and Goodyear stuff still good after 10 years. Chinaman electronics are all temporary.

Ya know what my theory is: Our Congress has sent so much manufacturing overseas that very little is made, actually created in the US of A. We just contract the Mexicans and chinamen to build our stuff. Well now that there is actually no real competition from the US, the chinamen can build to whatever quality they want. And they are getting bolder! Hey don't like it?? Well good luck finding it anywhere else.

So we get Dr' Yeng fenders made from foil. We get drill bits sold at Fastenal that won't actually drill through mild steel. We get all manner of automotive parts that sometimes fit, and only work for a fraction of the time we are used to seeing from a good raybestous part!

I'm sick of it...hey let me rant on a bit longer, werkin on my quoffee and I'm fired up. New cars...Anyone besides me think they are all junk and cost way too much? OK, honestly, given the choice of buying a 2015 Duramax Silverado LBZ for 65K and pouring blue juice into the total maze of wiring, hoses, lines, boxes, and plastic parts, or driving a 91 crew cab Silverado with a 12 valve Cummins that is fully restored and knock down beautiful for 29K?

Looking at the Chevy, I'd estimate it has a couple ounces or more of platinum in the converter and Mr. Fusion nuclear reactor mounted in your exhaust. Platinum is around $1200 an ounce. So $2400-$3000 in precious metal there, plus another grand in union fees to manufacture the stuff.
Our 91 sports a simple Diamond 4" system for $500.

Now we need a computer and a myriad of sensors to run the thing, I'm guessing another $3000 worth of union fees and parts cost and about $2 of profit after taxes for the manufacturer.
We're at $5000-$6000 so far

Let's price out the multiple air bags, sensors, wires, and computer. Our Silvy has 2 or is it more? I'd think we're easily talking another $2000-$3000 in parts. $7000-$9000 so far...I continue.
The myriad of wiring amounts to a lot of copper, time in manufacture, health care costs, paying off corrupt Detroit union mobsters and the like. You have $500 extra junk you don't need in there, $7500-9500

We don't need the EGR coolers, piping, ducting, complicated up-pipe, air control valve, or sensors, easily another $3000. $10,500-12,500 so far
The dolled up front end made of Mylar, tinsel, foil and willow branches does nothing except make the truck uglier. Replace it with a 3/16" stamped steel bumper and save $1500, $12000-$14,000
Daylight running lights...yea lights in the day, OK, W H Y? don't need them, savings $300
The electronics, wiring and relay to turn off the headlights when we walk away. Remember to turn the lights off and save another $300   $12,600-$14,600

Eliminate the need for child proof electric windows and the mechanism in the door and reduce the tooling the builder needs and pocket $500! Remove the baby seat tie down apparatus and straps and pocket another $300   $13,400- $15,400
We would remove the CP-4A injection pump and replace it with a Bosch mechanical pump and mechanical injectors and save $3000 and make the vehicle EMP proof and able to refuel at the local McDonalds French fry fryer and put our ideal truck savings at $16,400-$18,400

I think we would not smash up 300 test trucks which are inverted, striking a dihedral wall at a 23.6 degree angle at 44.2MPH. In fact we'd close the doors of that test facility and sell the land to a tobacco farmer who sells his cigarettes to the Muslims and Chinamen to hasten their demise and probably save another $2500 per vehicle in cost. We'd spend $500 of that in installing a bit more steel, just to be sure it's safe and pocket the $2,000. Oh, almost forgot, we could forget sowing the $500K into various politicians in various states who mandate these and other stupid rules just so they can show a job count and get reelected so that they have time to do other crooked deals and fill their bank accounts on their way to an eternity in hell...sorry, drifted there, where were we??
Ah yes, $18,400-$20,400 + a savings of $1000 per vehicle made that we no longer pay to corrupt democrats  We're at $19,400 to $21,400 savings and since we invoked common sense, heck we are really just getting started!

Since we have a vehicle which now weighs half a ton less already and has an old school coal tar burning engine, we now enjoy 20 MPG, a little side bennie that is not reflected but considering an annual usage of 1,000 gallons of fermented dinosaur blood = an annual savings of $750 which is one Briggs and Stratton engine hooked up to something that cuts, pumps, generates or does something else useful that we need, and every year!

Another intrinsic you ask? Sure, insurance. Your company charges a premium for things like those air bags and expensive Mylar and willow branch grills and, well, everything up front, since the current trucks have NO frontal protection. With my 3/16" bumper the Hyundai with the bearded hippie lookin guy who is high on paint thinner fumes who pulled out on you has been shredded, but you require only a mild paint touch up. So your rates are going to come down. And, in my new ideal world, idiots driving 8 year old Hyundai's with beards, wearing red shoes with a COEXIST sticker covering a rust hole are relegated to insignificance since we no longer tolerate nor listen to "stupid."

There will be a whole host of long term benefits as we no longer legislate and change life for everyone just so men can respectfully marry their pet dog in our local church and we don't stop the water supply to 200,000 acres of vital farmland so that we allow some mud-puppy fish to procreate!

Ah I'm drifting again, back to our Chevy.
What if we didn't have to use water based paint and exotic materials to coat our vehicles and just painted them with acrylic enamel? Yep you guessed it $1000 per vehicle savings!
Suppose we didn't need 4 little transmitters in our tires to tell us they aren't flat? Yup $300! and suppose the mirrors didn't auto dim or the doors not lock when we exceeded 5MPH?? Again $500 per unit.

What's that?? $21,200-$23,200 savings per Silvy so far!
I don't need a easy lift tailgate, I'd prefer getting the exercise actually lifting it ($200), and I don't need several zones of temperature control. nope, I only need heat and AC, high and low ($500). I don't need environmentally friendly seat cushions which cost twice what foam rubber costs ($200) Nor do I need any raw fuel injected into my exhaust any longer ($400)
Thus far our theoretical Silverado is priced some $22,500-$24,700 less than the current 8,000 lb unit!

I didn't even mention the gaudy DEF tank that reduces your already low ground clearance and all that business...

Without going further what would you prefer? 65K with Mr. fusion hanging underneath and happy hippies or $40,000 for a well built truck that readily renders all the jap, Korean, and Chinese junk unsafe to operate on American highways?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 03, 2015, 11:40:33 AM
You broke the soapbox,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 03, 2015, 11:52:31 AM
sorry...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on April 03, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
he may have gotten into a little bit of the home made irish cream
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on April 03, 2015, 04:30:08 PM
I haven't seen him go off like that in a while
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 03, 2015, 06:30:05 PM
I haven't seen him go off like that in a while
I woke up after dreaming Obama was still the president and still commander in chief of honorable men and women...put me in a foul mood!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on April 03, 2015, 08:23:14 PM
All is forgiven after foul dreams such as that
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Drunksailor on April 05, 2015, 06:57:36 AM
HAHAHA that escalated quickly!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 08:32:25 PM
Well, about time to devote some, well, time to C-Max because of all the work its been doing lately.

I inspected the suspension thoroughly and found the right side (rear) air bag blown out. It looks like it was rubbing on the spring plate and that weak area burst when loaded up past the extreme in the big flex two weekends ago. So that will get replaced. Everything else is looking good.

So first up is a regular oil change. I have been using the same Amsoil since 2012 with maybe 36,000 miles on it. I guess even though the last lab report was good, I am just uncomfortable running it any longer.

Underside looks pretty good still
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 08:34:36 PM
I drained the big filter but am retaining it for the time being. It is a 50,000 mile change interval item and it was changed once already, so this one should last until the middle of the next presidency!

I did change the main (Smaller) filter though and drained 3.something gallons through the fomoto valve
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 08:36:38 PM
Next up was the air filter element. It has been in there since 2011 I think and after a quick inspection I decided to pull the next one off the shelf and install it.

The paper S&B did its job so it was really time to dispose of it
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:07:57 PM
The filter sock cleaned up with dish detergent
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
Out with the old, in with the new.

The paper worked well for the last almost 40,000 miles, now I'll try the oil impregnated cloth media filter
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:10:24 PM
The sock is reused when the filter was reinstalled, but not before I cleaned up this mess inside the air box
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:11:18 PM
That all cleaned up nicely
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
I've about had it with technology. The Hella HID lights crapped out after very little use. They were tied to the high beam circuit which I seldom used. But in the long run they proved unreliable, so I decided not to go with anything expensive again. I settled on two 100W Rugged Ridge halogen lights for about a tenth of the price of the over-rated Hellas
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:15:11 PM
Back up to 100% in the illumination category again
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:18:16 PM
After cleaning parts of the truck, I went crazy with the Amber corrosion proofing. I actually sprayed the engine and a lot of the suspension with ti. I also touched over the cadmium plated stuff and the zinc plated stuff as well. Winter salt, of which my truck saw none of this year is really bad stuff. You have to treat things like they are living in a saline marine environment if you expect to keep your possessions for any time
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
Oh forgot to mention, I went back with Amsoil 15W-40 long life premium oil again
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 04, 2015, 10:56:06 PM
Little TLC on the C-Max is a good thing...

Nice to see it get some love too!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 05, 2015, 08:08:41 AM
Little TLC on the C-Max is a good thing...

Nice to see it get some love too!

Copy that!

It actually needs some improvements

I need to build some sort of front end brush guard that also incorporates some pioneer tools and a hi-lift jack. Been lucky so far, but with off roading that truck every week now, it's just a matter of time until I'll need some things.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: mjmbrown on May 05, 2015, 09:20:37 PM
Don where did you order the led lights from. And whats the new verdict now that they have been in for a bit.
Well, it hasn't been very long but they are a solid A+ thus far. Lots of light and a hint of blue (6000K) just like the HID's. I like bluish hues because of my NVG night flying days. Less eye strain IMHO.
They have a smallish control box/power supply or whatever that thing is. About 1/4 the bulk and clutter as those junky chinaman HID's

Comment here, anybody notice that the low quality Chinaman junk is actually of an even lower quality these days? Chinaman brake rotors require turning to true them out of the box. Chinaman rubber like my HF air hoses and A-zone ball joints boots fail in about a year as opposed to firestone and Goodyear stuff still good after 10 years. Chinaman electronics are all temporary.

-------------------REALLY LONG POST-------------

( I edited down the above post for the reply)

Maybe I missed the response in the post, but I never saw where you got the LED's from....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 05, 2015, 09:43:05 PM
Here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50W-9006-HB4-1800LM-Car-Truck-CREE-LED-Headlight-Head-Lamp-High-Low-Beam-6000K-/111410504943?hash=item19f09564ef&vxp=mtr
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 05, 2015, 09:46:34 PM
Went out for a test drive tonight with the new (Old school) Halogen 100W spots. I wired them so that the high beam circuit activates a relay which slams battery electrons via a 10 gage wire right to those energy sappers.

They are fantastic. W A Y long range and all old school yellow white light confusing the cool blue 6000K LED lows and 60W Halogen high beams. Yep, I'm wasting enough electricity to do some decent welding, but I sure can see down the road! ANd those two lights cost me less than $40!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on May 06, 2015, 04:51:21 PM
Don remember the Cibie Oscars? They are on my want list for our Dodge project...I just have to find some old ones. I much prefer the old school lights my self.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 06, 2015, 06:13:38 PM
Cibies, I had those on an LUV truck mini pickup. Sure worked good.

Some times the tech is to tech.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:47:44 PM
Cibies, I had those on an LUV truck mini pickup. Sure worked good.

Some times the tech is to tech.
Agree!

Why buy a $400 electronic micro chip laser mouse trap when the $1.29 one will get the job done!

I'm feeling the same way about all this modern junk I own. Toureg vs nicely restored Scout. My 4720 Deere vs some old school something with fresh paint
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Don remember the Cibie Oscars? They are on my want list for our Dodge project...I just have to find some old ones. I much prefer the old school lights my self.
Remember them, and like them!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 22, 2015, 09:14:54 AM
Well the Air Dog 165 has sprung another leak. You know, my long term ownership of this pump filter is that it is not a good unit. THe company also failed to support me when the motor failed in the past. So, I am no longer going to promote Air Dog products.

This thing has sprung leaks several times in the past and the motor failed after a few ten thousand miles of use. Really...a pump unit that costs nearly $600 and the electric motor failed after maybe 30,000 miles! Admittedly, I did not turn in the "Green warranty card" when I should have so they did not honor the warranty and charged me over $250 for parts to repair my unit. That right there should have cooked my goose with regards to this product, but I gave them grace. I had the green card and the sales receipt in my hand while talking to this young guy at Air Dog, but he would not accept it. Thinking back, I should have gone sour on them right there.

But now, with yet another failure of this pump and only a few thousand miles after I rebuilt that unit last winter, well that is it for me, I'm done with them.

You know...the heck with all this technology and air separation mumbo-jumbo. I'm replacing that piece of junk with a simple fuel pump and reengage the factory filter and simplify this elaborate system which doesn't actually work anyway...

I'll post up what I purchase to replace this one, and maybe make it a M1A training aid!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 22, 2015, 11:24:24 AM
Heard good things about these pumps...

https://www.kennedydiesel.com/detail.cfm?ID=399
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 22, 2015, 10:57:03 PM
Heard good things about these pumps...

https://www.kennedydiesel.com/detail.cfm?ID=399
Kyle,
those are the pumps I have installed on SquareD and the exact pumps I think I'll order for C-Max
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 23, 2015, 02:02:08 AM
Same thing I run.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 23, 2015, 01:37:33 PM
Awesome... I'm still trying to figure out what i want to put on my LBZ. I was already favoring the FASS over the AirDog, but I didn't realize Kennedy made the pump/filter kits too until now... I had only heard of people using the standalone pumps... Might have to seriously consider the Kennedy pump/filter combo too.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 23, 2015, 04:34:17 PM
I am running a separate 5mic filter below (Just add a filter head)and a 2 micron Cat 049 filter up top. This system does not remove air nor will the pump self prime, but supplies 5-7 psi taking the work from the CPS up top. It will however let fuel flow if the pump stops a reason I chose it.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:36:31 PM
Today I decided to tear into this Air Dog 165 (again) to see what's wrong with it this time.

It started leaking, from up on top somewhere, so I am betting on a failed O-ring or something complicated like that. No chance it would be a loose filter or something simple.

This Air Dog is a poor product plain and simple. I will not endorse it in any manner at all. When I first installed it (New) I chased a pesky leak. Turned out to be this 1/8" pipe thread plug with a socket head. Nice thing about it is that you have to pull out the line sitting right beside it to get at it. Strike one for poor engineering. Someone could have moved it over 2mm and not have required introducing another leak to fix that leak.

Now a lot of people have had that hex leak, so that is a systemic problem with the product.
When I pulled the main line to get to the little plug, you guessed it, I had to drop the whole thing...more work!

Wlee later on one then both of the 3/8" pipe fittings started seeping, then leaking. I sealed them (Again) with quality Teflon tape. Then the motor quit. Then Air DOg would not warranty it and I had to spend another $200+ dollars on a motor that failed inside 40,000 miles!

Real piece of junk, this Air Dog, and no, I don't like it!

So a couple weeks ago, while driving back from the farm, I am smelling diesel fuel. Yep, Air Dog again!
So I just unplugged it and ran around with a light pedal, until a few days ago when the motor would not start for about 30 min. I had to crawl underneath and plug in the motor to get the engine running, then leak a puddle of fluid all over the parking lot.

So today I decided to undo everything that those idiots did with this unreliable product. Basically, replace the fittings with my own, seal the thing with my O-rings and so forth.

I discovered the little pipe plug was seeping again, the big supply line fitting was leaking and the pump itself was leaking. Additionally that expensive blue hose they supplied, now 3 years old is all cracked, dry rotted and peeling... What a bunch of junk!

Pulling the motor off again, I discovered the failed O-ring. It looks like an installation error, so that is on me, but it lasted since early winter, why did it fail now?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:37:49 PM
Reinstalled but messy
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
Here's my recommendation for fittings: Trash that junk AirDog supplies and get yourself a simple 3/8" brass barb or nipple fitting. By using that, it has a smaller base circle and therefore the socket hex which is going to leak, can be accessed

I am pointing to that pesky pipe plug in one of the photos
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:41:51 PM
Next up on this general maintenance day was to repair/replace the defective PAcAir air bag on the right rear

Obviously it had been abrading against the U-bolt plate
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:43:05 PM
Pac Air, a Canadian company makes excellent air bags. I purchased a replacement unit directly from them. They are friendly as well!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:44:31 PM
That went right in with little fuss.

And now the air springs are helping once again.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
Those 35's look tiny!

That truck is begging for some 38's! or even 40's

Well, I couldn't stand looking at Shawn's rear cover rusting, so I got on it and prudied it all up again!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:47:48 PM
I got on the rest of the undercarriage as well, attending to a few rust spots on the frame and suspension from last winter's salt fall and dusting of snow flurries
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 10:00:21 PM
I'm not really one to get excited about cosmetic stuff, but this is still a pretty new truck and still only has some 47,000 miles. So I started looking at the scratches which are EVERYWHERE thanks to that unforgiving farm "road"

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rasimmo on June 22, 2015, 10:06:08 PM
Just drive it another year or so then paint it OD green. Scratches add character.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 10:09:43 PM
Just drive it another year or so then paint it OD green. Scratches add character.
Man if you only knew

I've wanted to paint that thing OD for some time, but the M.R.S. unit is really against that idea.

She said she looks hillbilly enough driving around in the truck the way it is. Funny, but the concept never occurred to me!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rasimmo on June 22, 2015, 11:43:10 PM
Next time she rides in it have an old rocking chair tied to the top and pots hanging off the sides.
My wife tells me I'm backwoods country all the time. Funny thing is she uses my silly little phrases all the time and acts more like me the longer we're together. Took me 15 years to get her where she is. Another 15 and she'll be fully converted.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on June 23, 2015, 12:00:56 AM
You know, a rocking chair would look nice up there as long as the shotgun goes along.

Those hoses do look bad for just a few years and who is that guy in the reflection there??????????

OD and 37s would be just right on there. To big n you loose the driveability.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 08:46:00 AM
who is that guy in the reflection there??????????

OD and 37s would be just right on there. To big n you loose the driveability.

Guy in the reflection is my neighbor...old crotchety guy that nobody likes ;-)

OK, then goal will be 37's and OD in color!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 23, 2015, 08:49:22 AM
My wife tells me I'm backwoods country all the time. Funny thing is she uses my silly little phrases all the time and acts more like me the longer we're together. Took me 15 years to get her where she is. Another 15 and she'll be fully converted.

Haaaa!
Same thing here!
She is not only using my phrases, "Lost as last year's easter egg," and a few others

AND

She now claims they were her "Kentucky-girl" phrases all along, that I ADOPTED FROM HER!

She's too pretty to argue with, so I let it go
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 25, 2015, 09:43:12 PM
I made 25 years with mine Tuesday.  Time flies.  Funny thing is that I have always been intolerant of ignorance and bad manners.  She's starting to catch up with me, though.  And the world is full of ignorant ill mannered people.  I told her if her mouth gets her in a fight, she has to take the ass whoopin.  (I'd never really let that happen, but I'm trying to tame her down a bit so she doesn't get me in any more fights.  Its been 25 years since she got me in the last brawl and I'd like it to be another 25 before the next.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 23, 2015, 11:03:46 AM
Don, what RPM do you pull at around 70? I just got 4.56 from Randys and have 35s like you. It sure seems happy in 5th vs 6th with rpm around 1900.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 23, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
Don, what RPM do you pull at around 70? I just got 4.56 from Randys and have 35s like you. It sure seems happy in 5th vs 6th with rpm around 1900.
Hmmm, err...
When I indicate 80, GPS says 76 and I'm pulling 2340, or is it 2240
I want to say that cruising at 70 I am just under 2K
My motor seems happy singing along at 2200-2300, delivers slightly better fuel economy, like .2 or so over 70mph
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 23, 2015, 04:03:53 PM
I have been running mine in OD 5th, vs 6th. I think it was lugging before.

I have heard that they are happy around 2-2200 cruzing, but it seems high for a diesel, smaller V8 or not

Now, go drive SD so I can finalize my Spartan trans plans!!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 23, 2015, 05:57:07 PM
I have been running mine in OD 5th, vs 6th. I think it was lugging before.

I have heard that they are happy around 2-2200 cruzing, but it seems high for a diesel, smaller V8 or not

Now, go drive SD so I can finalize my Spartan trans plans!!!
I'm late to the show figuring that out...That D-Max's like higher than normal for diesel cruise RPM's. Mine is running like a champ around 2200-2400. Mileage even picks up. Best mileage is country driving @50 and below. Will typically bet 18.something unloaded to/from the farm, and 16.5 towing the Armee trailer same route.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2015, 08:24:54 PM
Worked on C-Max a bit today

First up, the off road revolving pintle hitch I created is a bit longish. The weight of some of the trailer loads is playing havoc with it. I cannot shorten it as I would be drilling into the 1" bolt inside the square tube.
So I decided to replace it with the same Curt pintle I selected for SquareD.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2015, 08:26:21 PM
The rotating one shows a weight of 30,000 lbs. I believe that is the max weight and not the working weight. It has faithfully carried 10,000 all day and off road a bunch.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2015, 08:27:37 PM
The new stationary and solid Curt hitch is rated at 10 tons
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2015, 08:28:48 PM
After tucking it in closer to the bumper, I marked and drilled it for the same pin, and here it is all finished and ready for that Armee trailer
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2015, 08:30:33 PM
Another thing which has been bugging me is the fact that the rear barn doors lock into a flimsy 1" square tube which is not anchored anywhere except on the ends
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2015, 08:32:10 PM
So I decided to use a piece of aluminum angle to make it a solid latch point instead of Mr. Elastic
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2015, 08:33:32 PM
I riveted it into place for now. Lots of permanent rivets on the top and several temporary rivets on the bottom. First time I need to remove the bumper, I'll drill them and replace with 1/4" bolts
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2015, 08:34:28 PM
And here it is holding things very securely...No movement at all!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on October 17, 2015, 10:31:54 PM
Cool
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 17, 2015, 10:35:38 PM
You gotta get rid of the z71 decals, Don.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 17, 2015, 11:53:41 PM
You gotta get rid of the z71 decals, Don.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on October 19, 2015, 11:58:43 AM
You gotta get rid of the z71 decals, Don.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 19, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
Seriously?

I kinda like em'
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: CHEVSILVER1500 on October 19, 2015, 10:44:31 PM
Keep 'em. Adds character.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on October 20, 2015, 10:44:32 AM
I'm just bitter because the previous owner already removed mine, the Silverado badge on the tailgate, LT badge, but left the trim and the fender badging. I feel like I lost my pants somewhere and the experts say, if you have the dream where you're in your underwear, just imagine everyone else in their underwear and it won't be so awkward.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2015, 07:25:42 PM
Today was weather proofing or winterizing the undercarriage

I like this spray Amber stuff. It goes on liquid but soon dries leaving a cosmoline like coating that lasts forever.

It started off with a through washing at the truck stop.

For those who have never had their truck washed at a professional truck wash, the quality of the work far surpasses the normal car wash. The undercarriage flushing alone is worth it. It is like a grid of high pressure water that gets blasted everywhere. They also soften the water and treat the body work with chemicals which reduce corrosion. I have been going there a couple of years now. I haven't hand washed for years!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2015, 07:27:12 PM
I used a lot of the stuff. Don't worry about runs, it's just extra protection and no one will ever see it
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2015, 07:29:24 PM
I sprayed a lot of the stuff into the wheel well housing to quarter panel joint. THis area above the wheel house is where dirt will accumulate, soak up salts and stay nice and moist until it burns a hole through your quarter panel. I sprayed so much that it was running out onto the ground
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2015, 07:30:40 PM
I hit just about everything...three big cans worth
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2015, 07:33:41 PM
The rust colored drops are not rust, but the waxy amber stuff.

The rear tires are definitely losing the fight with Mr Grizzly, the resident locker. You can see tread wear is double what the fronts have. But that super heavy duty locker has never failed and that truck always has loads of traction. I'll gladly pay a bit more for tires for the sure footed feeling that Locker provides over that junk G80 thing
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on November 03, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
now that is a BIG difference in wear!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 03, 2015, 07:52:02 PM
Do you not believe in tire rotation Don?

Please tell us exactly what that amber stuff is,  I need to pay more attention to the underside of mine
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 03, 2015, 08:00:28 PM
Grizzly + right foot= wear  ::)

never thought about a truck wash, but I do get the underbody spray.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 04, 2015, 09:21:11 AM
Grizzly + right foot= wear  ::)

never thought about a truck wash, but I do get the underbody spray.
Lockers will definitely wear the tires mo-quickly. That's why the Gov-Lock came about. Not really a locker until the wheel loses traction and spools up the clockwork. A real locker will lock up immediately under power the instant tire spin happens. So it doesn't wait until you've dug a hole and mixed up the mud to a slippery mess before giving you the dual wheel traction you need to get away from the mess.

With a heavy truck like ours, you will have to apply considerable torque when accelerating away from an intersection while making a turn. A bit too much and the thing locks, effectively spinning the inside tire. So you may be inadvertently be spinning the tire like 75 times a day without knowing it.

Tires rotated every 5000 miles. It already wore out one set on the back, these were the front tires rotated onto the back. The back tires have maybe 7500 miles more than the fronts!
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 05, 2015, 10:21:13 AM
It's been a long morning don
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/05/b66969d4ebd6b35921b6320e39d9c5d6.jpg)
Here you go Tex
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2015, 12:40:11 PM
Good work Dave

That's the stuff!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on November 05, 2015, 04:02:50 PM
Looking at that tire wear, you need tougher tires. That's real excessive for that many miles. Locker or not.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 05, 2015, 06:35:45 PM
Thanks Dave!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2015, 08:18:59 PM
At the moment I'm in a quandary

I normally replace tires when they get down that far...But do I want to keep buying the 35" Toyo??

Cheaper thing to do, that's for certain.

But I am still considering going to a 37" or 38" tire.

And switching to a 17" wheel. 17" tires are WAY cheaper and there's more sizes available.

If I had to make a decision today, I'd buy 5 wheels, same as I have now, just 17 X 9 and dump the 18's. I'd mount up a set of BFG AT KO in 37/12.50 and call it a day.

But Yokohama makes that MT tire in a 38" 13.50 fitment so that may be a consideration, but I'd be back to the rapidly wearing mud tire again.

I do get off road nearly every weekend, but not into anything that serious. So the BFG AT, which I have used before and found to be an excellent off road tire could fill the bill.

What I do most of all is driving on these curvy roads and try to maintain some semblance of speed, and that takes a handling tire over a mud tire.

So I'm still thinking it over, but I am coming up on having to do something...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 05, 2015, 08:29:32 PM
too bad you don't have 20s.  I'll be divesting my 12.5x37x20s Toyo MTs soon.  They have 10,000 easy miles on them and are barely worn.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on November 05, 2015, 08:46:31 PM
Dumb question. Will 17s fit the LML? pretty sure LMMs had them, not sure on our newer ones.


...never mind, I googled it. I guess some came with them.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rasimmo on November 05, 2015, 09:06:06 PM
Dumb question. Will 17s fit the LML? pretty sure LMMs had them, not sure on our newer ones.


...never mind, I googled it. I guess some came with them.

Yep, all the DRW trucks for sure
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 05, 2015, 10:01:41 PM
Dumb question. Will 17s fit the LML? pretty sure LMMs had them, not sure on our newer ones.


...never mind, I googled it. I guess some came with them.
My spare tire/wheel is a 17

I do believe the LML came with a larger front brake, so it was a valid question
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 05, 2015, 11:17:39 PM
Don,
I have the same wheels you have on my LBZ, in the 17 x 10.  I found that with the nine wide wheel it was hard to get even tire wear  so I switched to the 10 wide wheel allowing less ballon. I also have bfg ATs with 40k miles mostly freeway.  Fantastic tire and the new model should be even better
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on November 06, 2015, 12:36:32 AM
Don, I think I've read that 18" is the size to stick with because the 17" tires can't carry as much weight and there's less selection in a 17". I may be wrong though.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 06, 2015, 12:54:32 AM
Here is what's on mickythompsons web
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/wheels.php?item=ClassicIII
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on November 06, 2015, 09:14:54 AM
My spare tire/wheel is a 17

I do believe the LML came with a larger front brake, so it was a valid question

Weird...my spare is an 18, but the truck came w/20s
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2015, 09:31:09 AM
Don,
I have the same wheels you have on my LBZ, in the 17 x 10.  I found that with the nine wide wheel it was hard to get even tire wear  so I switched to the 10 wide wheel allowing less ballon. I also have bfg ATs with 40k miles mostly freeway.  Fantastic tire and the new model should be even better
Dave, can you post a pic pretty please?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2015, 09:32:01 AM
My spare tire/wheel is a 17

I do believe the LML came with a larger front brake, so it was a valid question

Weird...my spare is an 18, but the truck came w/20s
Is yours a 2011?

Mine came with 20" wheels as well, but a 17" spare
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 06, 2015, 09:33:54 AM
It's cold outside don
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2015, 09:36:20 AM
Dave,

You have an LBZ, which has a 8 on 6.5" bolt circle

My LML has a 8 on 180mm bolt circle.

Unfortunately Mickey T wheels do not fit

I am using the Pro Comps 18 X 9
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2015, 09:37:02 AM
It's cold outside don
Ah, forget it

Your (Cool) wheels won't fit anyway!

Edit: I wanted to say "Wimp" but I'll settle on "Girly Man" instead. Cold! That just means you can work harder and stay warm! We have guys on here livin' near the artic circle, fightin' polar bears when they go outside to take a squat! Man up for gosh sake, we don't want to show we's weak knee'in life down here!

You'll have to apply some self corrective punishment and report back!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2015, 09:38:09 AM
Don, I think I've read that 18" is the size to stick with because the 17" tires can't carry as much weight and there's less selection in a 17". I may be wrong though.
I thought it was the other way around

Anyone care to comment?

I was wrong about something decades ago, so I might have just done it again! ;-))
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 06, 2015, 09:53:25 AM

It's cold outside don
Ah, forget it

Your (Cool) wheels won't fit anyway!

Edit: I wanted to say "Wimp" but I'll settle on "Girly Man" instead. Cold! That just means you can work harder and stay warm! We have guys on here livin' near the artic circle, fightin' polar bears when they go outside to take a squat! Man up for gosh sake, we don't want to show we's weak knee'in life down here!

You'll have to apply some self corrective punishment and report back!

Now you forget I took my man pants off and got me a stay at home mom card.  When I get done with morning feeding I'll report back with tread wear measurements from center to outside and see if I can get it done in my house slippers
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 06, 2015, 10:06:26 AM
Well, I'm a housewife too (Which is CRAP!) but I'm better now, or so I'm told.
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 06, 2015, 10:20:34 AM
Ok front tires are what I measured.  I do not have a locker but I have a hard time wit not launching from stop lights

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/06/3d0638c01a3b2a8a59cfd025b5e40f6e.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/06/c16248e29f8d71efff8dcc50f831186e.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/06/9880ce7d56768c0a68f5a6405cba8d51.jpg)
The profile photo show the slight crown of the tire.  I run low tire pressure as I am not usually pulling.  But the more narrow of wheel the harder it is to get good tire wear. 
Rear tire is a little worse off
I also run a fifth tire that I rotate in
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/06/af46eea473734d90aa131d57aebd0899.jpg)

Edit regardless of the wheel brand the ten inch wide is the important part. Specially if you move up to a larger tire
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 06, 2015, 12:20:25 PM
Dave, there is no snow it can't be that cold ?????

Mine had 16s all around, now 17s with a 16 spare. I went with the 17 for the same reason, a lot more tire selection for the $$$. I also went for 9 wide as I don't like a tire that really sticks out a lot.

Compare tires at the shop Don. Roll em out next to what you have. Remember well clearance too, GM is not friendly there.
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 06, 2015, 03:03:17 PM
The wide fender mod is right up Don's alley.  I did it and loved the clearance I got.   There still is no way I can even think about fitting 37s on my truck. 

Jr it's not that cold only forties but I was snuggled with a warm kid in my arms
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on November 06, 2015, 03:32:28 PM
Is yours a 2011?

Mine came with 20" wheels as well, but a 17" spare

2012.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on November 06, 2015, 09:56:19 PM

Don, I think I've read that 18" is the size to stick with because the 17" tires can't carry as much weight and there's less selection in a 17". I may be wrong though.
I thought it was the other way around

Anyone care to comment?

I was wrong about something decades ago, so I might have just done it again! ;-))

Hmm... I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time!) but I thought I recall reading some posts over on DF about this and that's why I made my decision to go to 18's when the time comes. Hopefully at least one of us will learn something new from this! ;)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rasimmo on November 08, 2015, 01:40:42 PM
Just another option to throw in there and rattle around in your head. I really like the Cooper ST MAXX tires. They do really good for me on the road and great off-road. The road noise is low with just a little hum. I have read where some complain about them being squirmy on the road. I have not experienced this. I think that the causes of that are the ballooning tires and wrong air pressures, but people find it easier to blame the tire than admit they did something wrong.  They don't drive like the stock tires did, but I can still maintain plenty of speed in curves. They are offered in 37-12.50-17 also. It don't hurt that they have "Made in USA" on the sidewall either.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 08, 2015, 03:10:32 PM
I think the ST Maxx is the new STT that I have. MY STTs handle great, maybe check out some snow this weekend,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Tommy13 on November 09, 2015, 04:31:20 PM
Don, I think I've read that 18" is the size to stick with because the 17" tires can't carry as much weight and there's less selection in a 17". I may be wrong though.
I thought it was the other way around

Anyone care to comment?

I was wrong about something decades ago, so I might have just done it again! ;-))

The availability by size greatly depends on brand.  It would be really hard to say for sure.  It does seem that 37s are a bit hard to find in an 18.  It is very true that the 18's usually carry a higher load capacity than an equivalent 17.  I'm very happy with my new Toyo R/Ts in a 35x12.5R18.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 09, 2015, 07:18:47 PM
https://www.toyotires.com/tire-finder/37/13.50/18

there ya go
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 14, 2015, 12:14:19 AM
Installed this cool decal onto the back door of the truck today.

The evil left is pushing me, so I'm pushing the Lord a bit louder!
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 19, 2015, 02:02:23 PM
FlyIn6 where did you get your LED light bulbs for your replacement of the HID bulbs?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 19, 2015, 09:31:56 PM
FlyIn6 where did you get your LED light bulbs for your replacement of the HID bulbs?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 24, 2015, 09:22:34 PM
I was doing a couple things around the truck today. First I adjusted the lights, since the long range lights had loosened up and their aim was off. After that, having recently cleaned the engine over at the truck wash (They do an outstanding job!) I wanted to seal the hood to the grill somewhat. I have noticed that crud will migrate into the thin opening on top of the grill, travel over the top of the radiator cover and dust up the engine causing the truck to become a total loss!

So I scored some closed cell adhesive backed foam used to seal toppers to truck beds and laid down some
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 24, 2015, 09:23:47 PM
It laid down very nicely, but came up a little short of mating up with the hood
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 24, 2015, 09:24:58 PM
So I added a second layer, which did the trick
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 24, 2015, 09:26:02 PM
We'll see if the motor stays this clean through the coming months
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 29, 2016, 10:59:00 AM
Something weird happened

C-Max is my daily driver, since I had to relinquish control of my Toureg (The chick car) to the lady of the house.

Obviously I am putting the miles on it as I find necessary. It sees its share of off road as well as highway excursions and tows medium weight stuff on occasion.

I took it to the tire store Friday to get the tires rotated, since that Grizzly Locker and the slick winter roads has had their due effect.

They rotated the tires, then set pressures, and gave it back to me. Upon leaving I went into the first turn and nearly lost control! The traction control light came in and the thing began bucking from left to right. I didn't know what the heck just happened! I mean all we did was to swap the tires front to rear, no balancing since I use internal tire beads.

After getting home I found the tires inflated to 80 psi rear and 60 psi front. I adjusted that to 60 psi all around and let it be. Well along comes Sunday and off to church. On highway 75 I make a steering input, and same thing. Violent bucking and almost loss of control with the traction control light on!

I'm miffed. Have never seen this except once when driving my F250, with a set of General mud tires on it, a belt broke and sent me end for end across a couple lanes of traffic.

Well, I can't fuss with it forever and it is unsafe to drive, so I called the tire store and told them to get me a set of BFG AT2's, a set of Toyo AT-2 extremes and two more Toyo MT's. I figure I'll decide when I get there which ones to get. Leaning toward the AT extreme Toyos...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bear9350 on February 29, 2016, 11:19:55 AM
Can that happen if they didn't reset the TPMS sensors when they rotated the tires?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on February 29, 2016, 11:22:49 AM
Strange. I keep mine inflated to 50 front and 45 rear. I would look into the traction control as I don't see the tires alone doing that with no electronics involved.

Unless they damaged or brake the antilock sensor. Do you have 1 on the diff or 1 on each wheel?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 29, 2016, 11:31:52 AM
Can that happen if they didn't reset the TPMS sensors when they rotated the tires?
Those sensors are in a pressurized tube in my center console
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bear9350 on February 29, 2016, 11:39:33 AM
What type of speeds are we talking when this happens?  It seems odd that a tire would just so happen to go bad after they did work on it.  If you can, try and repeat and then turn the Traction Control off and try to repeat again.  See if it is in the Traction Control system.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on February 29, 2016, 11:56:09 AM
Try having the tires rotated back to where they were and see if the problem stops?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 29, 2016, 12:14:15 PM
Try having the tires rotated back to where they were and see if the problem stops?
Not going to experiment. The fronts are down to about a third of tread depth, going to replace them since I really need to do that anyway.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on February 29, 2016, 12:21:47 PM
So you order 2 complete sets (or did you mean a set meaning 2) of tires, PLUS two of what you already have for a total of 10 tires, IOT see which tires you like better?

I like your style.



Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 29, 2016, 03:30:37 PM
Sounds like the anti-lock brakes computer and/or the traction control unit gone crazy.  Wonder if the pinched something putting it up on the lift?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 29, 2016, 03:58:38 PM
So you order 2 complete sets (or did you mean a set meaning 2) of tires, PLUS two of what you already have for a total of 10 tires, IOT see which tires you like better?

I like your style.




You got it!

That's why we trusted you to lead men

You're smart!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 29, 2016, 04:00:58 PM
Sounds like the anti-lock brakes computer and/or the traction control unit gone crazy.  Wonder if the pinched something putting it up on the lift?
That's what I was thinking...

Well, I just visited the tire shop. The mechanic, Mark took the thing for a drive and confirmed something is amiss. They asked me to wait until tomorrow when I replace either 2 or all four tires then drive it to see if there is a change. While on the lift we will get a comprehensive look over everything.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on February 29, 2016, 04:13:40 PM
Did you get some dirt on it driving in the mulch beds at the mall? I hear that dirt is nasty stuff & completely ruins everything.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on February 29, 2016, 04:22:55 PM
Prolly' not enough slack in the rear wheel speed sensor harnesses and when the axle dropped, whammo, broken pieces everywhere!!

...or coincidentally, the batteries took a dump.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 29, 2016, 05:44:59 PM
Get a dually. No traction control garbage.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on February 29, 2016, 06:51:45 PM
Dump the TC, tune or pull fuse.

My bet is ABS since TC normally kills power and ABS controls the brake to each wheel.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 29, 2016, 08:05:08 PM
Dump the TC, tune or pull fuse.

My bet is ABS since TC normally kills power and ABS controls the brake to each wheel.
I actually think the traction control is saving my butt. It all initiates when I make a steering input at around 30 mph on a country road (Today). I turn left a little bit and the front end takes a much bigger bite into the turn causing a noticeable body roll. When the vehicle rolls, I counter steers then something actuates and you can hear and feel a front caliper bite into the rotor. That straightens it up or causes the roll in the opposite direction which starts the whole process over. I would say the truck is unsafe above 30 mph on anything but a super mild curve.

I could easily believe a shock became disconnected, or a sway bar link broke, it's that bad. But I checked that stuff aling with all the suspension bolts, the tie rods, the ball joints, the rear spring mounts, the silastic shackle and spring bolts. The springs are not cracked and the shocks are attached securely.

The only thing that makes sense to me is the harness got stretched and pinched from the anti lock and a sway bar link snapped. That and the steering gearbox failed and loosened up so much you now sort of row side to side to keep the truck centered. The front tires seem to wander on their own...Toe out to the right, then left then back right, and without the steering wheel moving!

I just thought of something...I haven't checked the steering arm that runs through the steering column...???
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Dawg25385 on February 29, 2016, 08:17:18 PM
You'd think if that were the problem it'd have issues going straight too, not just turning...

Definitely need to get this nailed down and fixed before booking up that 35 footer on the back...


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 29, 2016, 08:20:41 PM
You'd think if that were the problem it'd have issues going straight too, not just turning...

Definitely need to get this nailed down and fixed before booking up that 35 footer on the back...


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I'll give ya a big A-Men on that note!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on February 29, 2016, 09:07:38 PM
Seriously Don, it sounds like the steering wheel position sensor went awol. Someone needs to scan the abs/traction systems for codes before you get hurt.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 29, 2016, 09:18:04 PM
Seriously Don, it sounds like the steering wheel position sensor went awol. Someone needs to scan the abs/traction systems for codes before you get hurt.
OK, Ken wilco

Can you think of anyway that would have happened while doing a tire rotation?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on February 29, 2016, 09:30:12 PM
Negative.

Front wheel sensors make more sense, but symptoms point to steering sensor. Regardless, a scanner should make short work of narrowing it down.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Dawg25385 on February 29, 2016, 09:41:04 PM
Me thinks Big D is going to be even more determined to get Square Dodge runnin if ole C-max wants to take a swan dive due to a dinky sensor somewhere...


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on February 29, 2016, 09:51:51 PM
That's exactly what I thought!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on February 29, 2016, 10:53:05 PM
C Max has some Achilles heals.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on February 29, 2016, 11:55:55 PM
Just jealous,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: moto123 on March 01, 2016, 01:59:48 PM
Did you have a chance to test it without the traction control system working?  I would hold the traction control button down for I think like 10 seconds until it turns all systems off, then try to produce he same results when turning.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on March 01, 2016, 04:49:33 PM
what he said, disable the trac control and see if you get same results.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 01, 2016, 04:56:05 PM
Maybe you need to rotate the winter air out of those tires.  Try the spring air and see if it helps


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 01, 2016, 05:27:42 PM
Maybe you need to rotate the winter air out of those tires.  Try the spring air and see if it helps


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Dave...I had winter nitrogen in there...Tire store still on #2 winter nitrogen...Spring nitrogen only sold in, well, the spring...WHAT SHOULD I DO????????????
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 01, 2016, 05:41:12 PM
So my plan was to get all the candidate tires on property so I could do a good tire for tire comparison and make the decision which one to go with.

Here is the stack that started to show up
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 01, 2016, 05:46:06 PM
Thinking about what I am doing with the truck, I was starting to lean toward getting a good all terrain tire. Now, from my experience with the Kentucky phylum of mud species one thing you need is pretty deep tread to bite down through the mud to try to grab something more solid. So tread depth is important to me.

The two All-Terrain tires I chose as finalists were the ever popular BFG All terrain KO2's and the Toyo open country all terrain AT'2 extreme.

Here they are shown next to the tire I am now using the Toyo MT's which have never failed me
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 01, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
Speaking of tread depth, the BFG's do not even have 1/2" of tread depth.

The Toyo AT's have more

But the MT's swallow up the whole finger tip and are far deeper than the highway tires
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 01, 2016, 05:52:10 PM
In my mind it came down to one of the two Toyo offerings.

In the end, Wes, the store manager sealed the deal. He said he had been stuck in his yard with the BFG AT's and he really liked the Toyo AT's, but hands down the MT's were the right tire for my truck in his opinion.

So MT's it is. I have an appointment tomorrow morning at 0830 to get two new ones mounted up
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 01, 2016, 11:30:12 PM
What store are you shopping at?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 01, 2016, 11:38:05 PM
My guess is discount tire, that's what he normally references in his posts
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on March 02, 2016, 03:15:29 AM
HH6 didn't say anything about you turning the garage into a mini tire store for the afternoon?



Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 02, 2016, 07:03:27 AM
He was at the tire store, or he's got racks of tires and a garage space he's never posted before....and no critters around or chewed on tool handles.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 07:32:56 AM
What store are you shopping at?


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Tire discounters, which I believe is local to northern KY/Southwestern OH
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on March 02, 2016, 09:38:34 AM
Thanks for posting those quality pics cappin'.
I'm in the middle of making the same decision...Toyo M/T vs A/t2s, but also vs Nitto Trails. I'm finally over the whole Mud Grappler thang. I think I've actually lost some of my hearing to them.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Tommy13 on March 02, 2016, 10:38:54 AM
Ken, give the R/Ts a look as well if you haven't already.  Mine have performed flawlessly this winter on the highway and in some light off-road and muddy field work.  The fit right between the A/T 2s and M/Ts.

https://www.toyotires.com/tire/pattern/open-country-rt-on-off-road-rugged-terrain-tires


Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 11:36:40 AM
We had success this morning. Gobbled down a sausage egg mc-muffin, drank some quoffee and swapped up some tires.

Getting started, Mark was "Dual Jackin' it!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 11:37:51 AM
Those machines are pretty gentle on the tire and wheel
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 11:39:29 AM
The suspension components all look great. There really isn't many miles on the truck, still only 55,000 but it has been off road many times now
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
If anyone ever wondered what those balance beads look inside the tire, here ya go:

You will notice the bag remains somewhat intact in there but definitely mostly disintegrates.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 11:45:36 AM
Mark spun them up to check balance first adding lead weights, then removing them, breaking down the bead and adding the poly beads. After driving it, it is glass smooth now. We actually found one wheel not to have any beads inside and no weights on the outside. I suppose that explains the vibration I had the last year!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 11:47:56 AM
The first big surprise happened on the alignment rack. The alignment was perfect! It hadn't moved at all, despite all that driving off road and hitting pot holes and all sorts of things.

Next during the test drive the truck was completely normal. It rode like it did before, although smoother due to the new rubber and balancing. I'm all healed it seems!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 02, 2016, 12:21:13 PM
How many miles did you get out of the old toyo?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: moto123 on March 02, 2016, 01:14:32 PM
I am glad it is fixed for you.  But it still doesn't make any sense.  Changing tires shouldn't have any affect on the electrical systems. 
There wasn't anything wrong with any electrical system.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bear9350 on March 02, 2016, 01:38:26 PM
I am glad it is fixed for you.  But it still doesn't make any sense.  Changing tires shouldn't have any affect on the electrical systems.

It is possible that there was a broken belt or something wrong with one of those tires and it wasn't noticed until the tire was rotated from rear to front.

Did anything seem not right on either of the tires you took off?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on March 02, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
Ken, give the R/Ts a look as well if you haven't already.  Mine have performed flawlessly this winter on the highway and in some light off-road and muddy field work.  The fit right between the A/T 2s and M/Ts.

https://www.toyotires.com/tire/pattern/open-country-rt-on-off-road-rugged-terrain-tires




Thanks. Just ordered a tire grooving tool.....goin to modify the mud grapplers...should be cheaper than new ones....if it works out.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on March 02, 2016, 04:19:41 PM
I'm betting differing tire heights front to rear were contributing to wheel speed sensors freaking out the trac control. those rears were getting pretty tired. Glad to see you went M/T's; selling those tires for many years, I know the AT's don't hold up as long as they're supposed to, and wear poorly on the outer edges, cupping pretty bad in most cases of lifted IFS applications from camber during suspension flex and droop.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 04:50:52 PM
How many miles did you get out of the old toyo?


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I think those got me around 25,000 and were about one forth remaining
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2016, 04:59:04 PM
I am glad it is fixed for you.  But it still doesn't make any sense.  Changing tires shouldn't have any affect on the electrical systems. 
There wasn't anything wrong with any electrical system.

The loss of traction light and system came on because the grossly different traction between the nearly new to nearly worn out tires caused the front end to bite into the turns like never before. You see the rear is where you should put the best tires. The rear is the part of the vehicle where it is most stable, or in a way of thinking, the part that is anchored. With my old tires the rear end was loose. It was slipping and spinning a bit and rotating the newer tires back there stopped all that nonsense. Then the poorer tires placed on the front now caused more erratic steering which was more pronounced since the rear end was now more stable. That caused unnecessary rolling to take place as rates built up quickly. The rate at which the vehicle was rolling exceeded the parameters for the traction control system causing illumination of the light.
New tires fixed it completely, so there really is no other explanation.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 02, 2016, 06:34:08 PM
I am shocked that's all you got out of a set.   I am well past 40k on my bfgs


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: husker77c on March 02, 2016, 07:06:57 PM
Man I love those rims.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 02, 2016, 07:57:52 PM
I find it hard to believe, but it is what it is.  One more reason I don't want that garbage on my trucks
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on March 02, 2016, 08:27:02 PM
I will never go with BFG AT's on my truck again.

I am running a set of mastercraft at's and am satisfied so far.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 02, 2016, 11:53:03 PM

I will never go with BFG AT's on my truck again.

I am running a set of mastercraft at's and am satisfied so far.

? Why


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on March 03, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
So, you had to buy tires because the truck told you so eh?  ;D

I run 3.73 gears in the rear and 3.54's in the front of my daily driver. Worse that ever has come of that is you have to sometimes punt it out of 4x4 with your foot if you forget and leave it locked in while tooling down dry pavement.

It actually works real well spinning the front tires a bit faster than the rear on muddy crowned "roads" around here. I call it "directional stability control"

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on March 03, 2016, 09:44:01 AM
^^^old mud/sand racing trick^^^
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on March 03, 2016, 09:49:20 AM
Yep Ken... and it works quite well. It's especially effective when chained up on the rear.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 03, 2016, 10:17:51 AM
Next OldKoot is gunna tell us how he runs bolted tires.......(as in 50 1/2" carriage bolts drilled and nutted protruding from the tread & running inner tubes) ;D

Old SE KY hill billy rock crawling trick, good enough traction it'll stand truck up on rear wheels.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on March 03, 2016, 10:24:40 AM
LoL never bolted any rubber here in Neb.  When I lived in Wis I had a set of 38" swampers that had 100's of 1/2 concrete anchors in them. We would run them with a tube and a liner in such tires for ice fishing on the big lakes.

Crossing ice crevices and stuff we also carried ice ladders and stuff for the long fishing expeditions.



Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 03, 2016, 10:55:05 AM
Same idea, sounds like a good time......
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on March 03, 2016, 10:58:28 AM
the BFG AT's are too soft of a tire for the weight of a 2500 or bigger truck
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 03, 2016, 11:06:05 AM
I was always a big BFG fan as they sponsored the race team heavy & the old mt's wore & performed as good as any tire I used. However, as of late they have made a lot of IMO stupid moves in regards to their truck tire line & I'm none impressed.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on March 03, 2016, 11:32:54 AM
I can say this... the BFG KM2 is the most popular tire sold here. Which is saying something in some ways because people have to drive 120 miles to get a set. They are the only tire that works on muddy roads, doesn't chunk horribly, and lasts 30+k on a 1 ton farm truck,and can handle 90mph freeways. Now mind you I am referring to the 10 ply rated stuff.... not the lighter tires.

Most guys around here run the KM2 in or around the 35" size range. You can't give a way the Toyo's here due to the width sucks on muddy roads, and they wear far too fast on gravel. (some report 15k on large heavy pickups) And they really are not that great in the mud either.

The recent second runner up is the cooper SST Max, but many complain they chunk worse than the BFG (dunno personally)

I may test a set of KM2's soon on my crew cab....depends how small of a tire I run. I should just sell those border patrol bead locks and buy some different wheels and go 40" Rubber.





Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 03, 2016, 11:43:16 AM
I had km2's 34" on my 01 F350 dually 4x4, couldn't get them balanced & they wore like crap even rotating them every 10k. They'd last maybe 25k......
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2016, 01:36:27 PM
Tires, none of them are all that great when you are actually using them or mounted on a heavy truck or in my case with a true locker.
I actually think 25K and I could have gotten 30 if I'd left them alone on the rear is acceptable considering the excellent traction a mud tire gives me. The Toyo MT's have gotten me in and out of all sorts of stuff. I have this one long soupy hole at the farm. I have been through that thing many times now. Once I even stopped in it and waited a bit, then just drove right out.

The Toyos did chunk on me and I noticed some of the blocks were torn at the point where they meet the casing on the drive side of the blocks. Not sure why that was, but they were. This Grizzly locker is a lot more aggressive than the G80's most people are running these days. When you accelerate from a stop immediately into a turn, well the thing locks right away and causes some tire spin. That is what wore the tires so quickly.

OK, that's a given. The locker wears the tires more quickly than a 80 or an open diff. On the plus side, that grizzly locker is ultra strong and like I have said many times before, has never let me down. I just don't get stuck in that truck. I can pull trailers up slick slopes with it without spinning too much. I can cross ditches at an angle which hangs tires sometimes several feet in the air, and yet, I still keep going. For the weight, wheelbase, gear and power of the 2500 Silvy, well, my Silvy, I am satisfied with the Toyo MT's and I love that locker. I suppose a lot of how one feels depends on their exact environmental circumstances and how they feel about the short life of mud tires and their lofty cost.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on March 03, 2016, 02:22:21 PM
Kooter, the problem with the KM2s is that they are only D rated from 35" on up. I had to pull the ones off my new truck after trying every which way to balance them. I resulted to using beads, but even they didn't work well above 60 mph. Discount and BFG worked with me to change them out to the Nittos and haven't had any balance issues with them (up to 120mph :) )
It's a shame, i really liked those tires.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on March 03, 2016, 05:17:51 PM
Yah....Ken the larger sizes are 8 ply 3750lbs at 50psi. The smaller sizes are 10ply 3750lbs at 80 psi. So that's 7500lbs of capacity on the rear wheels. And 7500lbs on the front wheels....for a grand total of 15000lbs legal capacity regardless what ply they are... odd huh?

I think tires are like toilet paper.... everyone has their preferred brands. The only similarity is they are round and disposable like TP. But some work better than others in some situations, like TP 

The harsh gravel here most drive on tears Nittos and Toyos to shreds. Some people reporting less than 10K before there is so much tread damage they won't balance any longer. Good-years MTR is similar....I have personally ruined a set (Mtr's)in 10K miles. In situations like Dons, it sounds like the Toyo's do pretty well. And TRN runs autocross slicks on his truck with good results... so I suspect it's personal opinion, regional and maybe in some cases comes down to tire batches even. And in some cases even the size makes a difference. A 37" KM2 does not perform anything like a 29" KM2 as an example. And I have yet to see a Goodyear MTR chunk here on the gravel if larger than 37". But I can attest a 285 chunks so bad they are worthless in short order.

I can offer regardless of size....a trick that works with balancing.... but I will start a separate thread.










Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on March 03, 2016, 08:46:19 PM
Hmm. I came up with 2900 for 35s, yet 3500 on the 37s....both load D rated.
Weird.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 03, 2016, 11:38:31 PM
I drove across grass once.....it was dry so the "autocross slicks" worked ok....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on March 04, 2016, 03:05:46 AM
I drove across grass once

The horror!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 04, 2016, 09:22:10 AM

Hmm. I came up with 2900 for 35s, yet 3500 on the 37s....both load D rated.
Weird.

Bigger tires = less number of rotations

I also think there is a substantial amount of mileage change to the odometers in a large tire vehicle.   It's a formula you could work out but I am on Percocets and math is not going to happen


Raising boys into RealMen!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2016, 09:58:39 PM
Cleaned up the inside of the beast.

THis truck has been working hard. It is my daily driver and gets used in 4WD in mud almost every week. Most times (90%) it is towing something. Ranger scratched the paint and I added to that when I drove out through the forest, as in not on a road or trail or anything...

Plus the interior was getting pretty nasty. SO bad, in fact, today for church, I didn't even want to drive it, so I took the Tiger instead.

So time to clean first, then buff. It took me all afternoon after services to clean it up. Man it was nasty!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2016, 09:59:41 PM
Ha! Found a hat I wore while flying guns in the Stan. Good shape too! Obviously well hidden from the red dog!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2016, 10:00:46 PM
So G-T-G for the drive over to Case tomorrow!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2016, 09:50:43 PM
Well, looking at the thing in the light today, it doesn't look very good at all. It is covered up with swirl marks, so I guess I am going to go over it again with swirl remover/wax.

That HF buffer is terrible. It is an awful piece of plastic. I am taking it back. It changes speeds all the time...some sort of sensing that increases speed and torque when it loads up. You know like when you just rub against your door handle. Then it will spin up, grinding all the paint off the door handle, then suddenly catch on something and come flying out of your sweaty hands. Anything flying through the air will always impact your paint...Kinds of like a dropped PBJ sandwich always falling on cat hair, peanut butter side down.

I hate that buffer. I'd like to shoot it with the sig, but I can trade it in for something else if I act quickly.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2016, 09:57:33 PM
I don't like this thing
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2016, 09:58:32 PM
I used this polish to ruin my scratched up paint once and for all
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2016, 10:03:27 PM
Looks shiny. Proving that looks can be deceiving!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2016, 10:05:20 PM
The multi speed buffer which is careful calibrated to ALWAYS be at the wrong speed, sawed through the finish on the body protection strips/trim
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2016, 10:07:00 PM
Almost buffed away my 101st, 1st SOCOM, and USASOC patches, but Isiah 6:8 held tough!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on April 19, 2016, 10:21:29 PM
I once had a single speed black & decker buffer that worked like a charm. I know it's not HF quality  :D but they used to sell em at ace hardware.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on April 20, 2016, 12:07:12 AM
Time to get the portercable orbital. Random orbitals take a lot of the guess work out and a lot less stress on the user.  Invest in a good three step compound from the Maguires commercial lineup.  Should fix a lot of your scratches


Raising boys into RealMen!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 20, 2016, 01:56:48 AM
I have heard that a few times about the HF buffer.

CM looks good though. Those 35 almost look small.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on April 20, 2016, 07:27:18 AM
Don/everyone. If you folks want a fast painless way to buff out tree branch scratches, orange peel, fresh paint, or even old faded paint let me know. I can do a lil write up on a painless process. I can buff out Patches rust and pantina. LOL

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on April 20, 2016, 09:12:33 AM
Don/everyone. If you folks want a fast painless way to buff out tree branch scratches, orange peel, fresh paint, or even old faded paint let me know. I can do a lil write up on a painless process. I can buff out Patches rust and pantina. LOL

Sure let us know the secret. Although in XJ's case, I'll let the rust and scratches be.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on April 20, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
Until Norm gives us his secrets concerning the use of everyday fuels for that show car shine, I'll give D a couple tips.....3m and/or Meguires, in multiple steps, with a seperate foam or wool pad for each and be sure to label them with a marker. For example; heavy, medium, fine. (even the pads are different grades...wool=heavier cutting) If you switch to the wrong one at the wrong stage, you have to wash out the pad, and start over.
I use an air powered buffer for cutting/polishing work, then switch to an orbital for the wax.
...and try and remember that if you try and take the deep scratches out, you may actually hit paint...after you cut through the clear coat!

It's so time consuming to do it right, that I just don't do it anymore.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 20, 2016, 01:09:40 PM
Time to get the portercable orbital. Random orbitals take a lot of the guess work out and a lot less stress on the user.  Invest in a good three step compound from the Maguires commercial lineup.  Should fix a lot of your scratches


Raising boys into RealMen!!
Copy that.

Went cheap, didn't go with maguires, which I cut my teeth on decades ago.

Paying for my mistakes...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 20, 2016, 01:11:47 PM
I have heard that a few times about the HF buffer.

CM looks good though. Those 35 almost look small.
35's do look small, but I think I'll stand fast right here.

Is a great puller with the 4.56's, but not best on gas. 18.2 to/from the farm, but more like 14.5 pulling. But I never lug!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on April 20, 2016, 11:25:53 PM
Gas? I hope you're not putting gas in C-Max ;)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2016, 11:05:59 PM
Gas? I hope you're not putting gas in C-Max ;)
Hmmm, that could be my mileage problem!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on April 21, 2016, 11:12:52 PM
Yeah don't think the tuck gets that cold this time of year to be adding gas to the diesel fuel....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2016, 11:20:18 PM
Yeah don't think the tuck gets that cold this time of year to be adding gas to the diesel fuel....
I've never done that...to my truck

But I might have done it to my M-60 tank, a few M35's and a helicopter or two
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 21, 2016, 11:55:30 PM
Mine won't be lifted quite as much as Cmax and a solid 18 or 14 towing would be great. I don't drive that fast anymore, happy at 70-75 unless the trip is really long.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on April 26, 2016, 01:05:32 PM
the Hyundai I rented in FL for the Jeep Beach event got around 22, but that may have had something to do with me cruising at around 110mph for 30 miles on the turnpike. Passed a FSP at 90 and he didn't even shift in his seat. funny, it's got a bit of a top end rattle at 17k on the odometer...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2016, 09:02:21 PM
I had to solve another problem.

That's the nature of any project, and well in the larger sense, of life itself

One goes along solving for problems that arise, then moves on to the next obstacle

True?

So after cleaning the heck out of the truck last week, I take one trip down to the farm with the Ranger and this is what I get:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2016, 09:03:42 PM
Now all that piled on during one trip down and one back, about 2 hours and with a quilt spread out on the floor!

The front didn't fare all too badly. A quick touch-up and I was back in business
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2016, 09:08:40 PM
So I opted for a strap in dog hammock

I added door covers to that to beef up the protection to everytning Ranger bumps into while I slide around the corners here
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2016, 09:09:56 PM
Next up, the seat cover and hammock thing

It has a no-slip rubber backing
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2016, 09:11:22 PM
With treated seats, the no slip is really "a lot of slip"
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2016, 09:12:28 PM
So I added some bungees to lock it all down
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 28, 2016, 09:14:03 PM
You know, come to think of it I have hauled Rangers around an awful lot over the years, and whether they are four legged or two, they all seem to destroy the things they ride in!

Anyway, I tried!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on April 29, 2016, 02:26:20 AM
Bear does the same to XJ. But if those don't work out, Duluth Trading company has seat covers in different styles that are made out of the same stuff fire hoses are. So they should be able to handle GSD hair and dog claws. I'm thinking about ordering a couple things to try out.


http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/sitesearchresults.aspx?pg=1&p_keyword=dog+car+seat+covers&p_utk=seat&p_search_sid=&gndr=&p_origin=mens-home&processor=content
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 29, 2016, 02:40:05 AM
What, no weathertechs!! Mine are nice.

At least he doesn't tear it up, just gets its doggy,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on April 29, 2016, 03:09:30 AM
Bear does the same to XJ. But if those don't work out, Duluth Trading company has seat covers in different styles that are made out of the same stuff fire hoses are. So they should be able to handle GSD hair and dog claws. I'm thinking about ordering a couple things to try out.


http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/sitesearchresults.aspx?pg=1&p_keyword=dog+car+seat+covers&p_utk=seat&p_search_sid=&gndr=&p_origin=mens-home&processor=content
We got our dog one of those firehose toys and she had a rip in it the very first day. Hopefully it stands up better to toenails.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 29, 2016, 07:39:26 AM
Bear does the same to XJ. But if those don't work out, Duluth Trading company has seat covers in different styles that are made out of the same stuff fire hoses are. So they should be able to handle GSD hair and dog claws. I'm thinking about ordering a couple things to try out.


http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/sitesearchresults.aspx?pg=1&p_keyword=dog+car+seat+covers&p_utk=seat&p_search_sid=&gndr=&p_origin=mens-home&processor=content
I didn't know Duluth made any or I might have ordered them

Now, having said that, Duluth is expensive!

I paid $22 for the door covers and $36 for the hammock. I feel that was pretty reasonable and that's why I am trying it out
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on April 29, 2016, 09:15:08 AM
We got our dog one of those firehose toys and she had a rip in it the very first day. Hopefully it stands up better to toenails.

I was thinking about getting Bear one, but he doesn't play with many toys.

I didn't know Duluth made any or I might have ordered them

Now, having said that, Duluth is expensive!

I paid $22 for the door covers and $36 for the hammock. I feel that was pretty reasonable and that's why I am trying it out

Yea they are a little pricey, but I like some of their stuff. Just haven't bought anything yet, I'm thinking about heading down to the "local" DTC store and pick some stuff up next payday.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on April 29, 2016, 09:57:42 AM
I have the rear cargo space cover from dtc, covers back of seat & floor cargo area in jeep. It lays on top of my weather tech cargo mat. Only thing I wish about it is that the side covered the carpeted wheel wells. Our golden sheds all over those otherwise I am very happy with the dtc cover.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on April 29, 2016, 11:44:07 AM
I was considering ordering a couple of their couch covers and using them to upholster the crew cabs seats.

My wife buys a lot of her clothing there... me I am too cheap LoL
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 30, 2016, 04:18:29 PM
Got a Duluth Trading Store being built right by Cabelas 2 miles from me.......gonna be nice!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 30, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Got a Duluth Trading Store being built right by Cabelas 2 miles from me.......gonna be nice!

Mines just 2 hours away in Reno.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on May 01, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
Allegedly they are building one in Omaha. 120 miles away so a hour and a half isn't too bad.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2016, 08:43:30 PM
Today after cutting the grass I piled on the C-Max truck to finish polishing it out. Essentially, I just started all over. I purchased a random orbit polisher with foam velcro pads and some Maguires mirror glaze polish

It started out looking like this:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2016, 08:44:24 PM
The chinaman tool company supplied the polisher
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2016, 08:46:19 PM
Now, that thing is a vibratin' hand full of paint korecktin' and scratch removin' hardware. About the same time it shakes your blood in your appendages into a uniform distribution of clots, the scratches yield and a pretty truck starts to emerge!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
After polishing the thing within an inch of its life, I applied two coats of wax. All that really slicked the truck back up and gave me a good baseline for the next set of scratches!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 16, 2016, 10:57:31 PM
The better quality buffers like portercable and up in cost hold the vibration better.   Keeps the pad moving and less of the body.   I have a HF and it does the job, but a guy on your budget  upgrade for sure


Raising boys into RealMen!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 16, 2016, 11:57:12 PM
Yep, purdy enough to get dirty again.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on May 17, 2016, 08:00:51 AM
That looks better! Ready for more carnage now!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 17, 2016, 09:18:35 AM
So, I've been thinking of a couple projects for the truck.

I need to carry pioneer equipment and a hi-lift jack, so I was thinking of adding a front guard to the bumper and bolting those on. I was also wanting to build a roof rack, really more of a place to mount up a big LED light and lift the branches off the truck. Finally, the finish is all but destroyed on the wheels after five winters of salt, so I believe I want to paint them. I think the color of the Frau's jeep would be the perfect color...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on May 17, 2016, 09:28:21 AM
I powdered my stock f350 squally wheels & they turned out great, just a thought.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on May 17, 2016, 09:40:19 AM
I always mount the high lift so my wife can reach it easily. Those things are heavy.... ;D
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 17, 2016, 09:53:42 AM
I powdered my stock f350 squally wheels & they turned out great, just a thought.....
We had a powder coating guy here, but he went out of business.
Wasn't due to over regulation, taxing or the new OB care(less), it must have been due to economic conditions!

My plan for all aluminum wheels is to first clean them, wire brush, then acid etch them. I follow that with acid etching primer, then shoot Acrylic enamel with hardener over and the ones I have done in the past are bomb proof!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 17, 2016, 09:55:42 AM
I always mount the high lift so my wife can reach it easily. Those things are heavy.... ;D
I thought of doing two uprights and weld onto the front bumper, kinda ARB style. Then sink the jack down into the arrangement where it serves also as a radiator guard, but easy to grab if needed.

Wife wouldn't know a jack from a guy named jack, I'm thinking. My wife and yours...two different models for sure!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 17, 2016, 10:50:22 AM
That front does need some protection, why not a jack and a sink.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on May 17, 2016, 11:03:59 AM
A sink ?

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 17, 2016, 11:48:24 AM
Is has everything else,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on May 17, 2016, 12:02:02 PM
oh, I get it now!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on May 17, 2016, 12:09:11 PM
Hmmmm, thought sq d had pioneering equipment on it????? ;)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on May 17, 2016, 12:30:10 PM
Why don't you secure the pioneer tool kit to the inside of the topper door? Secured, out of sight - out of mind, always in the same place.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 17, 2016, 04:16:57 PM
Why don't you secure the pioneer tool kit to the inside of the topper door? Secured, out of sight - out of mind, always in the same place.
That's where I hang the BOB on one side and the medical bag on the other door.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on May 17, 2016, 05:03:08 PM
Maybe fashion something like the pioneer tool rack that hangs on the under side of the hmmwv and shoe horn it where the oem spare sits??????
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on May 18, 2016, 02:27:12 AM
Maybe fashion something like the pioneer tool rack that hangs on the under side of the hmmwv and shoe horn it where the oem spare sits??????

This..
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 18, 2016, 08:30:12 AM
Hmmmm, thought sq d had pioneering equipment on it????? ;)
Watch the low blows fellas
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on May 18, 2016, 09:06:25 AM
What????  ::) He kinda had it running & is actually showing interest in getting it running. Not to mention there is only one of him & one farm.......
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 19, 2016, 07:03:18 AM
Before ya go painting your wheels, I'll take a photo of the same wheel that I just got polished, $30 bucks a wheel is almost cheaper then labor to prep and paint


Raising boys into RealMen!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2016, 12:23:33 PM
Before ya go painting your wheels, I'll take a photo of the same wheel that I just got polished, $30 bucks a wheel is almost cheaper then labor to prep and paint


Raising boys into RealMen!!
That's a good price...BUT...

I run these year round

And the winter we have 12" of snow and 14" of salt!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: OldKooT on May 23, 2016, 02:27:41 PM
Don... it's your truck so you should do whatever you desire. IF you would enjoy them being shinny just do what us farmers do. Polish them all jewel brilliant, and when winter arrives spray them down with fluid film. They won't corrode or dull then as the salt will never bother them. You could also spray down the under carriage as well... same concept. If it worked in Wisconsin's Salt....it will work in yours.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cruizng on May 24, 2016, 05:13:25 PM
Fluid Film... Never heard of that before. I will definitely try it next winter up in MN.

Thanks Norm. Learn several things new every day reading this site.  8)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 24, 2016, 06:55:13 PM
Howdy Mikey 8)

I've done show n shine spray before too, after polishing which goes on clear and shines up further, lasts for a few weeks at a time from my experience.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on May 24, 2016, 07:31:39 PM
Thanks Norm. Learn several things new every day reading this site.  8)

Never heard of it either, til now. Interesting.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 25, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
Well, I've threatened to paint it OD green once or twice but miss K starts ranting about my turning into a hill billy, we argue, and I forget about it for awhile.

It does look purdy all black and shiny, so I guess I'll just keep this for awhile. Be doing the wheels before too much longer though
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cruizng on May 26, 2016, 07:41:22 AM
Howdy Mikey 8)

I've done show n shine spray before too, after polishing which goes on clear and shines up further, lasts for a few weeks at a time from my experience.

Hey Tate...  ;) I can probably read on the can once I get it but during the winter can you apply when it's below zero? I don't have heated garage or shop... (yet)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on June 01, 2016, 10:16:03 AM
I've never applied it in the cold, so I can't give any proper feedback, but since it's basically liquid wax polymers, I would imagine it would be tough going below 40deg.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2016, 10:13:41 PM
Well that second set of LED bulbs must have hit their 50,000 hour lifespan just like the first set.

I never knew these bulbs could fold time. I mean 50,000 hours is over five years. I've had two sets in there so far and both went out. So somehow within the span of the 5.5 years of life this truck has had so far, it has somehow aged ten plus years, and during those ten plus years, the headlights must have been on constantly.

Either that or the 50,000 hour lifespan is another part of the Clinton foundation that is anything but truthful!

Well, I'm starting new with a set of 12,000 Lumen bulbs (per pair) for the top and another 12K Lumen set for the south holes as well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2016, 10:14:47 PM
And my function check prior to teardown proved I have more problems than just the dim (er) headlights
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2016, 10:16:00 PM
Very simple, just plug and play, not pay to play, that's Hillary and Bill's thing

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2016, 10:16:41 PM
Well, got most of them working!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2016, 10:18:47 PM
Some disassembly and I discovered the second 50-Watt halogen to get fried, so I pulled these cheapo long range lights and replaced with some LED floods. I think flooding the chasm right in front of you os a better choice than examining the other side and thinking it's a distant hill top
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2016, 10:19:43 PM
A couple of bolts and electrical connectors and I was happily in business once again
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on August 17, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
I thought for a second that folding chair was an er welding chair with osb attached to it!

& I see the rolling tool bin there to the right is still in the same place..... ;D
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on August 17, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
Man, you're even hard on headlights!  ::)

The new ones sure look bright. Or the fogs in the bumper are worn out too...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on August 17, 2016, 10:45:27 PM
Looks like 6 burning with 4 turning (in 4wd).

More brighter!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on August 17, 2016, 10:47:52 PM
... I see the rolling tool bin there to the right is still in the same place..... ;D

I was wondering what that was, holding up that handyman jack. hehe
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2016, 10:58:55 PM
I thought for a second that folding chair was an er welding chair with osb attached to it!

& I see the rolling tool bin there to the right is still in the same place..... ;D
That should read: Rolling parts Bin!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2016, 11:01:16 PM
Man, you're even hard on headlights!  ::)

The new ones sure look bright. Or the fogs in the bumper are worn out too...

Sam,

I'd say you and I are both pretty hard on our trucks. Mine gets off road every week. You don't have any paved roads, so yours stays off road almost all the time.

And

Off roading is hard on stuff
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on August 17, 2016, 11:36:30 PM
That is a fact!
Hopefully I have time before winter sets in to get my next phase of preservation done.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on August 17, 2016, 11:58:08 PM
Whats the hour meter read on the truck?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 26, 2016, 04:25:42 PM
How would you determine an hour rate in these trucks. Mine does a bunch of idling because I hate the blue sky


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on August 26, 2016, 06:41:30 PM
Dave, push the odometer stick on the instrument panel with the engine off - it will show the hours.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on August 27, 2016, 11:37:45 PM
Sorry that might have been worded poorly. 

What is a average idle or hour time?  What do most others read?

My joke of I hate the blue sky was poor taste


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 06:44:08 PM
Getting C-Max ready for the cold weather which approacheth...

First off, had to replace another torn up air bag.

Easy fix

Was thinking ov using the poly lower cradle, but after looking at it, my sliding steel coupling system seemed better, so, with a new and mo-liberal coating of grease, it all got reused
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 06:44:43 PM
Slapped a new set of filters on the Air Dog...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 06:46:10 PM
Then on to a complete oil/filter change
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
The big filter and the oil has been around for some 30,000 miles!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 11, 2016, 06:48:00 PM
How do you go threw airbags like that, is something rubbing?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 06:50:21 PM
Since Willie is back from his pre-occupation (MrManners over at synthetic motorsports, which he owns,) I got him to send me some fresh stuff

Unexpectently, he sent me 4 gallons of 5W-40 super-duper premium oil. I guess I'll save the Delvac for the John Deeres
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 06:50:53 PM
How do you go threw airbags like that, is something rubbing?
Yep

Sticks and rocks I drive over!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 06:54:17 PM
So yesterday I was down at the farm

Saw a big ugly storm blowing up

Heard the emregency broadcast system activate...

OK, time to dity-Mau

The gust front hit us before we made it out...Too late

We encountered a tree blown down on the "Road"

The other trees were making big circles and branches were flying around like Hillary's lost emails

I said screw it and drove right over it!

Turned out to be a black locust...You know...The ones with the flame hardened, armor penetrating 4" spikes

Yea, so stuff like that just seems to happen to me all the time
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 06:58:09 PM
Here's the mileage and hours

Still pretty new...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 11, 2016, 08:01:49 PM
Yeah, I came out to find my new Nittos with a slow leak on the driver's rear.  Apparently driving all over the hunting lease trails put something like a weesatch thorn in my tire.  It is a very slow leak to take 2 weeks to get from 70 to 30
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 11, 2016, 08:23:33 PM
Yeah, I came out to find my new Nittos with a slow leak on the driver's rear.  Apparently driving all over the hunting lease trails put something like a weesatch thorn in my tire.  It is a very slow leak to take 2 weeks to get from 70 to 30
So far G-T-G,

But, I'm expecting the same
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on September 12, 2016, 12:41:05 AM
Dang my truck must have idled for quite a while in its life. I have about double the hours and only 106k on a 10 year old truck.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2016, 10:51:09 AM
I took too bad pictures, one with no flash and too much camera shake, and the other with a flash and the glare covering the important stuff.

I wanted to show the incredible mileage my truck just got after the "Slick-Willie" (aka, MrManners) oil change.

Yep right there, for everyone to see, 104.3 MPG!

Unbelievable!

Yes, it got one hundred four point three miles per gallon! And I believe in hope and change and am a firm Hillary voter!

What the B&G (blur and glare) actually conceals is 19.3! Almost as unbelievable as the notion that Hillary is not sick or would make a good leader, driving 50 ish mph on country roads to/from the farm it delivered some PDG fuel mileage!
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on September 15, 2016, 08:00:01 PM
What the B&G (blur and glare) actually conceals is 19.3!
That's impressive! My LB7 with 265 BFG and/or 285 Coopers only averaged 17.8 over the last year. (http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n498/jamesguilliams/Vehicles/ED84BD35-80C2-4DCA-B49D-CB9D3F487071.png) (http://s1136.photobucket.com/user/jamesguilliams/media/Vehicles/ED84BD35-80C2-4DCA-B49D-CB9D3F487071.png.html)


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on September 15, 2016, 09:30:28 PM
Mine is sad compared to you guys...12.5-13.5 driving to work everyday at mostly 50mph. That's on the 200hp tune from kory.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 15, 2016, 10:44:28 PM
Most of my driving is around town and the mileage is lousy, like Kens.

I am thinking of loading a 120hp tune I have. My normal was a 100hp from Rob, but mileage was never really good and EGTs seem a little high.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 08:09:05 AM
I have always run with the 150HP deleted tune from H&S. Not just deleted, but no EGR and manifolds and up-pipes as well as a good down pipe and exhaust.

Think about it, I am getting that, well, usually I get high 17's to mid 18's on the same drive, but lately it is getting 19's...But I am doing all that with 4.56 gears and the 35's. That would be roughly approximate to a regular truck driving around at 70MPH.

Something is definitely right with my combo!

Personally I think it has a lot to do with the Isiah 6:8 scripture which I have proudly displayed in the back, I get a natural resistance from things that hold one back which obviously increases the distance you can go!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 16, 2016, 08:14:10 AM
I regularly get 18-19 on my lbz with 35's and 410 gears.   My problem is the sound of the duramax motor scream and how much I love it at wot


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on September 16, 2016, 08:24:31 AM
Do you think the 4.56 gears (coupled with Isiah 6:8 of course) may be the reason for your good mileage? So far as I can tell, getting these pigs moving takes more fuel than maintaining momentum. Years ago, when I lifted and put 35s on my 89 K1500 I thought I would get better mileage because the motor would run at lower rpm while cruising around. Boy was I wrong.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 08:41:30 AM
Do you think the 4.56 gears (coupled with Isiah 6:8 of course) may be the reason for your good mileage? So far as I can tell, getting these pigs moving takes more fuel than maintaining momentum. Years ago, when I lifted and put 35s on my 89 K1500 I thought I would get better mileage because the motor would run at lower rpm while cruising around. Boy was I wrong.


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Could be...

But I'm leaning toward righteous living as the root cause

I've been trying to do that with some limited success

Ain't God good!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 16, 2016, 10:02:08 AM
I have 4.56 for mine as 410 seemed a little low, but 4.30s are not there.

Funny how the 35 tire just measures 33 at rest! I was guessing 34.5 or similar and there is still lots of tread.

Yes he is.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on September 16, 2016, 10:06:24 AM
What the B&G (blur and glare) actually conceals is 19.3!
That's impressive! My LB7 with 265 BFG and/or 285 Coopers only averaged 17.8 over the last year. (http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n498/jamesguilliams/Vehicles/ED84BD35-80C2-4DCA-B49D-CB9D3F487071.png) (http://s1136.photobucket.com/user/jamesguilliams/media/Vehicles/ED84BD35-80C2-4DCA-B49D-CB9D3F487071.png.html)


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I avg about the same with my 03. 290k now and depending on freeway traffic on a given week she'll get up to 18.3 since I changed the fuel, and air filter and cleaned the MAF.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on September 16, 2016, 11:04:58 AM
I have 4.56 for mine as 410 seemed a little low, but 4.30s are not there.

Funny how the 35 tire just measures 33 at rest! I was guessing 34.5 or similar and there is still lots of tread.

Yes he is.

Tire height is really relative to the width of the wheel, weight of the vehicle, and the load placed on the tire. a "static height" or unloaded on industry standard wheel, inflated to test pressure levels for 24 hrs is what they are allowed to list the height at. Mounted on a non standard wheel, under load, different air pressure etc will cause the variations you're seeing measuring from the ground to the top of the tread, but the rolling diameter generally remains close to the listed height unless you're running extra wide wheels.

Side note; we're contemplating 4.30 gears in a manner of speaking. 4.44 gears exist in the aftermarket for the 11.5 rear, but not for the front 9.25", and we have seen a better all around "fit" for the taller ratio with 35" tires and Allison 6 speed than the 4.56 for general usage in 2wd applications. Taking that into consideration if there is enough market demand for a ratio we'll create it.

Using the transmission tire and gear calculator on my website, https://www.ringpinion.com/calculators/Calc_RPM.aspx one can add their tire size, gear ratio and vehicle speed to calculate RPM. with 265/70/16 and 3.73 gears, 65mph would generate 1598rpm in 6th. putting 35" tires on would decrease the RPM to 1443, meaning 1-4th gears would be working harder to generate the same amount of torque, explaining the loss of MPG, forcing one to drive like a high school kid, flooring it from a stop just to get up to speed so to speak. A change to 4.11 gears would bring the rpm back up to 1590, only 8rpm off so that would be perfect right? Not really. The tire height change inherently changes the physics of the truck; higher in the air creates more drag, larger tires and wheels weigh more. it'd be as if you were hauling or towing every day with this ratio change. An ideal change would be 100-200 rpm over the stock RPM curve. Currently 4.56's put you at 1764rpm, 166 rpm over stock. 4.30 gears would put you at 1664rpm, 66 rpm over stock. not ideal, but if you live in flat land and drive 85mph everywhere it's a solid choice.

If you want 4.30 gears, call in and request them. request them from distributors too. The more we hear about it, the better chance you have of getting what you want;-)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on September 16, 2016, 11:10:39 AM
Sorry for DOT'n up your thread there Don; headlights look great! :-[
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 16, 2016, 11:44:16 AM
Well Tate, thats why we went with the 4.56 then. On the table soon, playing with tunes again.

What was this thread about???????
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
It used to be about my truck

But who cares...

I'm learning same as all you boneheads

So carry on,
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on September 16, 2016, 09:25:41 PM
The big filter and the oil has been around for some 30,000 miles!
Did I read somewhere you had a UOA done recently? Are yo happy with that setup?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2016, 09:29:32 PM
UOA???
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on September 16, 2016, 09:32:22 PM
Sorry, used oil analysis.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2016, 05:11:27 PM
Sorry, used oil analysis.


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Yes, I was sending in samples each time the oil counter hit zero.

They kept coming back good. But after 30K, I was just uncomfortable. I purchased some Delvac, but in the end retasked that to tractor oil changes and ordered more Amsoil from Willie. I think I was at 33,000 miles on this oil and the big filter with several quarts added along the way and the small filter changed at interval.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on September 18, 2016, 06:44:18 AM
I ran my last out to 50k, with a couple UOA along the way.
It was still good, but I made the same call that it was time.

Just doesn't seem 'right' to not change at some point.
I added about 4 quarts along the way to top up FWIW.

Needless to say, I'm very happy with the setup as well.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 18, 2016, 09:26:37 AM
I struggle with gear ratios for a 5sp Allison on 34s. I wish I had spent the money on the six speed upgrade


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2016, 04:53:53 PM
OK, truck is for sale.
Listed in the classified section with the details...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 27, 2016, 05:02:53 PM
OMG, what are you looking at getting since SD isn't up yet?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2016, 05:25:07 PM
OMG, what are you looking at getting since SD isn't up yet?
OMG, what are you looking at getting since SD isn't up yet?
Stock power wagon

second hand 12 valve or 24 valve dually
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on October 27, 2016, 11:05:08 PM
OK, truck is for sale.
Listed in the classified section with the details...
Boooooo!!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 02, 2016, 07:38:18 PM
You should post  "For Sale" to that other site.......
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 02, 2016, 07:54:56 PM
You should post  "For Sale" to that other site.......
Mike, I think that ship left the port!

I was really interested because there was employee pricing for the whole month of the October. That pulled the price tag on that truck down to $49K for the average joe, then another $500 for being an ex GI-Joe, and another $1000 discount for being a USAA member.

I was looking at a brand new Powerwagon which was pretty loaded up for $47,500 ish.

Now the only incentive is 12% off sticker for the older 2016 trucks. I lost half the discount.

Remember too, I prayed over this. I think the answer this time was clear. I may want a PW, but in God's timing it is not yet time. I trust his judgement!

Roger that, Chevy on!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2017, 09:12:36 PM
Had to work on C-Max some today. Yet another Chinaman headlamp bulb burned out. These 50,000 hour bulbs are lasting about 6-8 months and they burn out. Maybe they were supposed to mean to say 50,000 seconds lifespan??
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2017, 09:14:41 PM
I also polished the lenses, restoring them to a like new appearance.

The mini solar cell which had been velcroed to my dash for several years now gave up it's will to live. Not sure why, the red dog never got to it and it was mostly out of harms way, but I pulled and replaced it as well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2017, 09:15:37 PM
The new one was slightly smaller, much thinner and lighter and makes for a neater installation
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2017, 09:16:54 PM
It basically acts like an always-on trickle charger for those heavy and expensive batteries. I have 6 years on the stock batteries so far and they show no signs of weakening.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on February 23, 2017, 11:58:19 PM
I got about that out of my 1st set. Now it seems to be 3 years or so, but always covered under warranty so far.

Working on my lights too. New bulbs, little adjusting and polishing.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on February 24, 2017, 08:01:21 AM
I've always considered 5 years as cranking battery life.
But with the -40's we see it really wears them down.
First time I need to boost, new batteries, which seems to be at the 5 year point for me.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on February 24, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
I've always considered 5 years as cranking battery life.
But with the -40's we see it really wears them down.
First time I need to boost, new batteries, which seems to be at the 5 year point for me.

From what I have learned about how batteries "Die" it has to do with the charging and discharging which causes a chemical reaction. The results of that reaction is a byproduct which creates a plaque on the lead surfaces. I think I am right about that

So to prevent too much of the big ups and downs, one simply needs only to keep the battery fully charged. The alternator system does a pretty good job of that, however a solar cell or other trickle charger system completes the task, thereby extending battery life.

I know that these days, machines employing ultrasonic shaking can rejuvenate a dead and used up battery to like new condition. The caveat to that is barring no mechanical damage. Automotive batteries are not built all that well on the inside. The plates which are suspended can move just a bit and over time may ground themselves out against the adjacent plate. Should this happen, you're done.

That's why I try to buy batteries designed for commercial heavy equipment like Sarge. With those batteries, the bottom of the plates is set into a bed of epoxy which prevents any movement and allows you to thump into things like big oak trees and not do any damage and realize a long life.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on February 24, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
I have 6 old 6 volt batteries I rescued from recylcling.
I have some experiments to try with them.
Pending the results I will do a bit of a write up.
Will be May or so before I get there.

But what you have said above Don is correct.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on February 24, 2017, 12:13:17 PM
This time I got Interstates, we will see.

Will post about the headlights in my thread, not going well.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Wilbur on February 24, 2017, 12:29:09 PM
Don do solar panels get beat up in excessive heat? I know that kind of sounds weird as they are made to go in the sun......so I know the panel part itself absorbs the sun and heats up but I wonder if any other parts of the panel (wiring etc.) can't take heat and inside a vehicle might get too hot for them to survive long term? 
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on February 24, 2017, 01:00:27 PM
Don do solar panels get beat up in excessive heat? I know that kind of sounds weird as they are made to go in the sun......so I know the panel part itself absorbs the sun and heats up but I wonder if any other parts of the panel (wiring etc.) can't take heat and inside a vehicle might get too hot for them to survive long term?
I don't know that heat 'hurts' them, but it's likely not best case for them.
They are an electronic device, and as such like cool better.
As the temp of the panel rises, the output drops.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 27, 2017, 12:53:04 PM
Can you believe the LED headlight burned out again?

I can't remember how many bulbs I have been through and what, several sets of HID before that!

OK, I think I can say with a high degree of certainty that this new crap, which is mostly from China is well marketed junk.

This truck has to work. That means many back country runs in the middle of the night. Saturday night the Pre-Rangers and I were driving back from our farm when the bulb quit. Due to the recent windy conditions, the two year dead Ash trees that the ash borer has killed are falling everywhere. That makes lighting more acutely critical than usual. And while tired and sleepy, and towing a trailer, on Kentucky winding country roads that bulb failed again.

Well that was the last straw. I am making a decision for safety and going back to halogen bulbs, albeit good quality "Blue" light bulbs, I am going mainstream. Now with respect to the high beams, not so much. I will keep the crappy LED headlight bulbs in place which are backed up by a two LED flood lights. I am adding to that mix, two 8" HID driving lights. The thought being that I'll run primarily on the high beams and go to lows only in towns or when meeting approaching traffic.

I'm putting this one to bed...For good
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on March 27, 2017, 01:10:10 PM
You've sure had a run of tough luck on headlights.
I don't know what to tell you other than carry on with your plan.

I can't say I've ever seen this many NS bulbs in such short order.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2017, 07:53:09 PM
I pulled the front end down again today and changed out the headlght bulbs, yet once again.

I had purchased a set of Putco 4400K high output bulbs (Not sure of the wattage) but while collecting the tools for the job, I ran across another box of...LED headlight bulbs!

Hmmm, should I or stick to Plan "A", return to bronze era halogens...???

So I flipped the mental coin and it came up, use and gamble on the LED's until the next failure, then perhaps spring for the expensive HIDs.

So in they went and just like that I was cookin' with bacon grease all over again.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2017, 08:00:30 PM
The low beam only with the Fogs turned on clearly show a need to upgrade the lower 4 as well.

Now, I have learned a thing or two about these LED's

The science if far from mature. They have really just started to get the things working and can do nothing with some of the ring scatter. But with respect to the Chevy platform, there is another more perplexing problem. For DRL operation, Chevy limits voltage to the headlamps enough to light them, but holds them far off of full power. Apparently LED bulbs DO NOT like this partial voltage situation. There are cooling problems in the base and especially with the exchange of electrons between the media and the copper emitter plate. All of my LED bulbs that burned out, had the signature burned spot in the yellow media of the emitter.

So with that in mind, the high beams may survive with the LED bulb, although you'll continue to blind US Airway pilots (US Scare) on approach to your aerodrome. So me thinks I just may shove some LED's inside those fogs so instead of just illuminating the area beneath the wet air, I simply heat the area in front of my truck and cause the fog in front of me to burn off!

Should work...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 30, 2017, 10:02:38 PM
So what's the consensus on these upgrade headlights? Every time I read about someone upgrading there are issues. Ashley & I were discussing this awhile back & after many trials he said just add a good rigid light bar & call it a day. Which is my intention on the jk as I have the parts just need to mount & wire it.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2017, 11:53:41 PM
So what's the consensus on these upgrade headlights? Every time I read about someone upgrading there are issues. Ashley & I were discussing this awhile back & after many trials he said just add a good rigid light bar & call it a day. Which is my intention on the jk as I have the parts just need to mount & wire it.
Well, when they work, they work well. Crisp, clear light, but LED's do not have the range that halogen lights do.

The best my truck was when I had LED high beams coupled with two 100W Rugged Ridged (Cheapo) spots. I could see nearly a mile down the road with those. LED High beams + LED driving lights, maybe half that distance or less

I am adding two of the 100 watt cheapo lights once more to get the best of both worlds
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 31, 2017, 09:44:29 AM
So in reality Ashley was right? :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2017, 10:22:34 AM
So in reality Ashley was right? :popcorn:
I guess so
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 31, 2017, 11:45:02 AM
Don, you feeling ok today? :huh:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:20:47 PM
Well, time for an oil change!

Hopefully not the type that takes five years and never gets finished, but an actual one.

Actually I am performing a "Heavy Service" going from front to back and bring everything back into spec

I started the process over at the truck wash where some talented young men cleaned the thing up
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:27:03 PM
First up is a bonafide engine oil change.

I have been using the Amsoil products almost since new, but after all this time I fail to see where continued use of their oils makes any economic sense. Especially in light of the many advancements made with other conventional and synthetic motor oils

I have been using Mobil Delvac 1300 in my tractors down at the farm with good results, so I decided I'd switch the D-Max engine to synthetic Delvac starting at 73,000 miles, where the truck sits today, spring of 17.

Something else that makes no sense to me at all is a $27 oil filter. I did my homework and found a Caterpillar oil filter that fit, had the same capacity and shared advanced filtering media. Cat has to protect machinery costing hundreds of thousands of dollars, so they are known to have some of the best filters made. Without any discount, their filter retails for $10.45, a true bargain!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:28:51 PM
That Cat part number is:

7W-2326

And that filter fits on the Amsoil dual bypass filter mount
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:31:19 PM
The undercarriage is looking pretty good considering how many times it has been crawling through mud.

I credit the truck wash with the good condition. I always get an undercarriage wash and I have them spray Rain-X on the underside which keeps mud from sticking as well as it could
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:32:16 PM
Next up, the rear axle
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:33:36 PM
I had some Amsoil 75W-90 left over so I shoved that inside Shawn's excellent rear diff cover
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:35:57 PM
Last fall, I coated everything that wasn't already coated with sime moisture sealing oil film. It has congealed on the shock body as seen here, but is only a lacquer thinner soaked rag from shinin' once again. Those dirt logic shocks have some large shafts!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:39:59 PM
I have now had this fabtech suspension and lift kit on this truck for, what, 5+ years?? It still performs seamlessly. I can motor with good speed around these kentucky curves, tow often, cruise comfortably, or off road in my fields or trails with no complaints.

Next up was creation of a mess. To this point things were going much too smoothly, so I decided to disconnect the power steering line to drain the fluid from the hydraulic system.

I drained, refilled, ran it, then drained and refilled and on and on until I got pretty clear fluid out of the return line.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:40:57 PM
Had some Rain-X bug washer, so it got used as well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:42:08 PM
Next, the wheels come off for a clean up and repaint
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:43:40 PM
With a major storm approaching, I wire cup cleaned one wheel to check the results. I think it does a satisfactory job for a first step
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:45:38 PM
I broke in the KBS paint yesterday, using it to coat some old jack stands and vises. Today, that paint is like armor! You can't hope to scratch the stuff! So that is the coating of choice for the undercarriage
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:47:05 PM
Here's a rear axle hub, before and after
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:47:56 PM
And a front corner:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 07:50:12 PM
^^^ I think that will work, as long as it, too, hardens up and does indeed seal the metal from moisture.

That monster storm started to hit in earnest so I had to throw in the towel about two hours earlier than I had planned to

Back at it in the AM...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on April 05, 2017, 08:06:53 PM
I had some Amsoil 75W-90 left over so I shoved that inside Shawn's excellent rear diff cover

We must have machined a nice drain plug in that cover, makes changing gear oil a snap.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 08:16:54 PM
I had some Amsoil 75W-90 left over so I shoved that inside Shawn's excellent rear diff cover

We must have machined a nice drain plug in that cover, makes changing gear oil a snap.
It does! And the position allows me to run more oil than called for if I want (And I do)

Said it before, and I'll say it again, this is the best axle cover you can buy!

Shawn, was this the first you made for the 11.5 AAM?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on April 05, 2017, 08:54:39 PM
Don't believe so, your front was though......
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on April 05, 2017, 09:57:07 PM
Any concerns with the coating not being "flat" on the hubs?
That would be my worry.
Looks great though.

I need to source some restoration stuff for my old girl.
Thinking the POR15, as I have seen it up here.
I'm hoping to pull the box and clean her up this spring if it comes.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 05, 2017, 10:45:22 PM
As far as flat paints and all that goes, I normally carry so much mud on this truck that you can sometimes scarcely tell the color at all. I think that will be OK.

Now the wheels are going to tone down. Not going with the zombie black look, but a gray paint color like you'd see on a steel wheel spare tire. Nothing fancy, just protection and in doing that, I think it will fit in with the "Utilitarian" build motif I have going on with this truck
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on April 05, 2017, 10:47:08 PM
I was more meaning the faces of the hubs staying flat-true, so as not to induce wobble.

I might be overthinking this tho too.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 06, 2017, 12:09:25 AM
I bet the paint will level out enough for a 37 inch tire.

Don, I just used some more of that rustolium 15 minute paint on the subs wheels and it turned out nice. I used silver and it matches the grey I used before nicely.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 09:24:12 AM
I was more meaning the faces of the hubs staying flat-true, so as not to induce wobble.

I might be overthinking this tho too.
It's paint bro!

Yea, you're over thinking it

or I'm just a dumb old kintucky redneck

Which is likely!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
I bet the paint will level out enough for a 37 inch tire.

Don, I just used some more of that rustolium 15 minute paint on the subs wheels and it turned out nice. I used silver and it matches the grey I used before nicely.
I'll hopefully get some paint on the Chebby's wheels today, but unfortunately I am right in the middle of several daze of rain!

I'm going for it anyway!

Oh, and I want some 37's!

Need to start that conversation in another thread...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on April 06, 2017, 10:11:14 AM
Well, raining means time for square d...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:11:55 PM
First step on cleaning these wheels was to go at them with a wire cup mounted on a big 1/2 HP grinder. It took some time, but eventually I got through all five. I used a spray of detergent while I was working the wire wheel. It went a long way to remove years of corrosion.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:12:38 PM
Step two was a through pressure wash
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:14:27 PM
Next step in this process was to apply paint stripper to both sides.

After using the HF 9mil Nitril gloves, I can say they held up just fine, where I have been destroying the 7 mil gloves
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:15:08 PM
Then a second pressure washing to remove the stripper
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:19:15 PM
The third step was to spray the wheels with a very strong Muric acid.

Note: This stuff IS NOT safe.

You must wear a respirator, eye glasses, gloves, and protective clothing. The minute the muric acid hits the aluminum, it gives off sulfuric acid. Inhale that and you'd be in real trouble.

The acid rips the aluminum surface up and does it quickly, so the acid only stays on 2-3 minutes

I noted that the front surface was not boiling like the back side. I guess that shark hide coating I applied years ago was still intact!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:20:52 PM
Next up: A third pressure washing to remove the acid and any remaining dirt

Then I swapped out the wire cup for a new one and hit the wheels once again, this time completely removing everything and marring the surface which will allow the paint some good adhesion
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:24:03 PM
Just as an experiment, I painted one wheel, both sides with the silver epoxy I selected, again a KBS product
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:26:05 PM
This was an experiment to see how the stuff sprayed and what the coverage was like.

Coverage is excellent, but it takes a bit of pressure to spray, like almost 30psi, and I had to thin it 10%. Even so it goes on scary thick
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:29:26 PM
The plan from the beginning was to lay down the epoxy base coat, the silver in this case, then top coat it with a UV resistient paint. KBS recommends this process.

I selected a utility, appliance gray epoxy as the top, color coat. As an experiment, I sprayed the wheel with it to learn about how this stuff goes on as well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:31:02 PM
Back to the wheel with the silver epoxy base coat, the paint doesn't run, but the metallic flake definitely migrates as you can see here:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
It has a good sheen, and it flows out well, but the heavier metallic pigment is definately responding to gravity. Those were not runs you were seeing!

So it looks like I stick with Plan A, with the two step process, although Here's the two coatings seen from various angles confess, I do like the silver look
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:37:13 PM
The black coating I used on the suspension and hubs set up like steel. THis stuff is unnatural! Where a drip would contact the garage floor, it bubbled up a bit and hardened like that, I can hardly chip the stuff off!

The jury is still out on whether I will leave everything gloss black like it appears here. I might just top coat that as well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:39:07 PM
Things are a bit crowded in garage number 2 (The wife's garage)

The new J Deere 2720 arrived, and both bikes are hiding out there.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
Back at it tomorrow

Got the fuel filters in along with a set of LED long range driving lights to get bolted on
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on April 06, 2017, 08:47:43 PM
Are you thinking about this SAS conversion


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 06, 2017, 08:55:21 PM
Are you thinking about this SAS conversion


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Not at the moment

I'm too busy with other projects

It works and drives quite well the way it is

and

Im too busy with other projects ;-)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on April 06, 2017, 10:22:49 PM
Pro tip, if you're too cheap or in a hurry to dismount tires use heavy barbersole (think that's what it's called) old school shaving cream as the tape to keep the tires clear of paint. When you're done you just wipe it clean.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 06, 2017, 10:55:24 PM
Nice tip. I just used a .99 for sale sign cut slightly on the sub.

Nice work though, you sure love your wire wheels!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on April 06, 2017, 11:08:14 PM
I have used playing cards also. But a 32oz cups free from the gas station can be used too


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 08:34:50 AM
Hmmm, seems like my tape idea is old school!

And it doesn't work all that well

It's the morning after and I just examined those wheels. The Epoxy silver stuff did something weird. It seems it reacts with moisture in the air fairly aggressively. Meaning: It swells and almost bubbles up. The finish is anything but level, (pictures to follow tonight) and will have to be removed.

The paint, (Lighter gray) turned out great. I'd call it a semi-gloss flat finish which will both add color, and reduce shine which is in keeping with the overall theme of this project

Finally: Had a thought! One of two I'll likely have today

We're going to birth a new section in the tool board.

We'll call it "Tips" so we can capture all the cool "Barbasol ideas"

Even though I enjoy giving our steelhead, Shawn, a hard prow to hoe, In all fairness, He gets the credit for this new area. And since it's his baby, well, it's his baby!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 08:41:29 AM
Oh and while I was at it

Shawn you're the moderator

and your desert friend is too

(Guilt through association rule)

Ken, Shawn...Go get em'
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on April 07, 2017, 08:46:25 AM
Don, just a thought on the bubbles in the wheel finish.
Could it be moisture in the compressed air, or the fact it was thinner ( possible not compatible ) and sprayed vice brushed.
I say the latter not knowing the application instructions.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on April 07, 2017, 09:20:37 AM
Oh and while I was at it

Shawn you're the moderator

and your desert friend is too

(Guilt through association rule)

Ken, Shawn...Go get em'

Oh boy, rats in charge of the cheese..... :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 10:00:07 AM
Don, just a thought on the bubbles in the wheel finish.
Could it be moisture in the compressed air, or the fact it was thinner ( possible not compatible ) and sprayed vice brushed.
I say the latter not knowing the application instructions.
Sam, no sir, none of the above

I had a moisture filter attached to the air line at the gun
The thinner came from KBS, and was for that paint
Paint can either be sprayed or brushed

Now having thought about it, here's my thoughts
1. This epoxy cures by being exposed to moisture. It was raining yesterday, could that have made for too high a humidity?
2. The paint has a temperature range and I was skirting the bottom of that range, possibly outside of parameters
3. This stuff is thick. Ranges between Latex house paint and elmers wood glue. Thicker materials require a more generous nozzle at the spray gun. I was using my most generous "Primer" nozzle, but it was still sputtering. So either I need to thin more, or up pressure more, which is not characteristic for HVLP guns...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 10:01:16 AM
Oh and while I was at it

Shawn you're the moderator

and your desert friend is too

(Guilt through association rule)

Ken, Shawn...Go get em'

Oh boy, rats in charge of the cheese..... :popcorn:
Go get em soldier!

It's been 29 minutes and not a single post in YOUR NEW THREAD

Git on it! ;-)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bear9350 on April 07, 2017, 10:20:24 AM
If it was raining out while painting I would assume the humidity was probably higher then the recommended range to paint in.  I wouldn't think it would cause bubbling though.  How much more thinner did you add and what does the can say is the max amount to add?  Paint sputtering coming out of the gun isn't going to leave a nice smooth painted finish.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:34:14 PM
OK, next day...

Lets look at what happened to the wheels that got test-painted during the rain yesterday

Nothing good happened, that's for sure!

First these rash looking formations were not bubbles. The paint just had some sort of over exuberant reaction to all the moisture (I think) and raised up in areas
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:38:06 PM
I got all sorts of runs. I'll attribute that to improper thinning of the material causing me to have to spray more down in an attempt to reduce the trunk-spatter-paint effect I was getting.

So, OK, this was an obvious fail, so a redo and rethink is in order

We can see that the normal UV happy paint had no problems with the moisture, pressure, or temperature
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:40:37 PM
I socked a bunch of paint stripper to that wheel and let that stuff do its thing
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
While I was waiting for the stripper to soften the epoxy, I installed some more filters, fuel filters first
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:44:02 PM
I chose a CAT primary fuel filter because it is a 2 Micron absolute filter which my injectors will no doubt appreciate, and a Baldwin fuel/water seperator
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:46:56 PM
Then the Allison got a new filter as well

The magnet I had installed a couple years ago had done its job well. I found sixth gear attached to the magnet backside!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:47:46 PM
All that is buttoned back up
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:50:10 PM
Interestingly, when I drained the water seperator, I found not one drop of H2O in there!  Now why is that?

And the mystery deepens. I just got a "Water in fuel" message on my DIC, along with a "Change fuel filter" message.

This has me wondering if somehow the air Dog filter failed allowing the water to bypass up to the factory filter which I still run as a safety
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:53:40 PM
I solved the overspray issue, easily!

First I ran a loop of 3/4" masking tape around the tire lip. Next I melted one of the Mrs. big candles she probably won't notice is missing. Then I painted the juice all over the tires and that black dog. Works like a charm!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
Then I applied one coat of the hard to work with KBS epoxy "runs-a-lot" rust encapsulator and helo pilot aggravation compound.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 06:56:27 PM
An hour later, I had this:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2017, 07:01:01 PM
The paint is specially formulated to only run on the side that shows. It flows out perfectly on the Rim's backside which will never be seen

I must have used backside paint on the front side or something because there really is no reason for this.

Well, this is only the "Primer" coat as it were, so who cares what it looks like.

But

It has to be flat for the top coat or I'm going to own one hillbilly lookin hick special!

I got on the brake calipers. They had been coated with shark hide some years ago and really had done quite well. I cleaned and coated them with the silver Runs-a-Lot" paint, and I must have used the can of inside (can't be seen) formula, because it came out OK!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 08, 2017, 10:04:12 PM
Removing the wax is a bit of a chore. It definitely requires you to use a pressure washer and expect to spend some time removing the wax from all the nooks and crannies found in tires
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 08, 2017, 10:05:49 PM
When you're done the tire looks rejuvenated and you'll have seven million little pieces of wax all over creation
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 08, 2017, 10:06:50 PM
I was not careful enough, and accidentally blew a small section of paint loose from the wheel
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 08, 2017, 10:11:05 PM
Now, after the coatings dried overnight, I got another exaggerated paint swell.

After all this, I can not recommend this coating for anything requiring a smooth wrinkle free finish. THings like my wheels are not suitable to use this product on. THe finish just looks like crap.

But, on the flip side, this "paint" is incredibly tough. Remember that black paint I used on the suspension? Well I had gotten some on the lip of the can. It hardened and absolutely welded the lid to the can. I had to pyr every quarter inch then use a ball peen to smack a screwdriver through, and after all this prying and mangling of the can, the lid still would not come off!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 08, 2017, 10:14:10 PM
Like I said, the finish is horrible. There is nothing to like about it except that I suppose it added bullet resistence to my wheels!

I thought I was just going to bolt the wheels back on, but far from that, I worked nearly all day sanding those wheels down and respraying with just the paint, and not using the Epoxy
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 08, 2017, 10:20:37 PM
I sprayed those wheels in 50 F low humidity weather and got that awful result.

Secondly I would note that the top coat is designed to be sprayed over top the Rust Sealer product. The instructions said to top coat betwee 3-8 hours after spraying the rust seal. I waited 3 1/2 hours when I top coated.

I also noted that sometimes the topcoat will react with the epoxy base coat and wrinkle up.

I can't say I like anything about these products. Seems like the product doesn't act anything like the advertising states

It won't run...But it definitely does
Uniform color...But the metallic pigment migrates while drying
Top coat made to work with the rust seal...Yea, if you are looking for a wrinkle paint finish

The only things I will say is that it is definitely hard! And the paint by itself seems to spray well, but that's as far as I go. I don't like it

But after a couple days of painting, sanding repainting, stripping and repainting a third time, Here's the results. I just hope it holds up...that was a bunch of work right there
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on April 09, 2017, 10:41:37 AM
I have looked into having mine powder coated.  About forty bucks a wheel. Front and back. 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on April 09, 2017, 10:57:08 AM
Looks good from far, so good enough for what they need to do.

I spy a couple cedars on a trailer, still in log form...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Wilbur on April 09, 2017, 12:08:54 PM
That's a lot of work for sure. They look good now, bit the quite the journey to get there. :shocked:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 09, 2017, 09:41:09 PM
 Any chance that results would have been better with multiple super thin coats?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on April 09, 2017, 09:44:26 PM
I vote for dismounting tires from rims in the future & having them powdered. And not to throw salt in a fresh wound but if that SQ D had been running it could have been up to the task of transporting said tires & wheels to Dr appointments. :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on April 09, 2017, 09:45:39 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2017, 10:45:25 PM
Looks good from far, so good enough for what they need to do.

I spy a couple cedars on a trailer, still in log form...
Check out the sawmill thread...I opened one of those up today...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2017, 10:46:57 PM
Any chance that results would have been better with multiple super thin coats?


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I don't know Charles

I've painted quite a bit over the years/decades. But this stuff behaves differently than enamels I am used to
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:35:42 PM
I added some lights and reoriented some others

I am encountering a couple of fixable problems

With respect to the headlights, I may have installed the high beam bulb into the low beam housing. Ever since "fixing" the trash LED lights from before, I am getting a lot of folks flashing their headlights at me. That and the fact that the low beam doesn't appear to have much of a "Cut-off" to prevent me from blinding other drivers, this bears investigating.

The second issue is that with all the back roads night driving and driving on the farm at night, I need more of a flood light like light setup.

So with this installment to the build thread, I'll add and modify some lights

First up I scored some long range HID driving lights:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:36:47 PM
They are large, inexpensive, and self contained in a plastic housing
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:38:57 PM
I decided to pull the existing flood style LED lights and install the big spots in their place, then reinstall the flood LED's outboard of them, and to angle them to throw light to the sides as well.

Prior to moving the smaller LED's I had to partially disassemble them and clear off the moisture that should not be on the inside of the lens
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:41:34 PM
I just removed one side, then worked a paper towel into the front and backside of the lens and blotted the droplets, then reassembled

Then I bolted in the new spots, leveling them in two planes
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:42:10 PM
Got those fitted
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:43:40 PM
To make the installing and removal easier for the old LED's and create a more professional installation I squeezed in some nut-serts to take a 1/4" bolt

Forgot to take a pic of the nutsert actually installed. In the pic it hasn't even been tapped flush yet
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:47:19 PM
Next, I created a wiring loom which I made up with weather proof ends
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:47:53 PM
And hooked all that up
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 12:50:18 PM
I wired it in such a way as to switch on both the HID's and the LEDs when the high beam bulbs light up

And that, my friends, is that!

Oh and at night it is way over the top. It lights up everything!

Very good mod
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 18, 2017, 01:02:50 PM
That is a lot of light!! Do the bumper lights work?

Not sure if you covered it but what is the big puck on the (synthetic?) winch rope?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on April 18, 2017, 01:10:44 PM
If C-max were a transformer, he'd be this guy, but with a moustache.

Lights look Really good on there. The rubber deal is just a stopper for the fairlead
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 18, 2017, 03:48:56 PM
Source price and part number for the klieg lights?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 18, 2017, 03:57:17 PM
Tate, I know what the stopper is, just not seen em that big!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on April 18, 2017, 04:26:03 PM
Tate, I know what the stopper is, just not seen em that big!

I thought I felt kinda silly explaining it...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 18, 2017, 05:07:46 PM
by the way. that's old school way of adding lights.  Kinda like that idea compared to the silly kids with their 86 inch light bars
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on April 18, 2017, 05:50:35 PM
This is how I always envisioned my first truck. Didn't even know it was a Toyota because Mcfly only called it a 4x4. The lights on that and on D-Max will always be the "correct" setup. Light bars are cool and all, but seem to fit better on newer jeeps and more futuristic looking rigs? I don't know maybe I'm crazy, but the first thing I bought for my wagoner were KC lights for the bumper and 6" HELLA's I tucked behind the grill. I love the look and the "you did NOT just cut me off in traffic" appeal.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
That is a lot of light!! Do the bumper lights work?

Not sure if you covered it but what is the big puck on the (synthetic?) winch rope?
Yes, the four Warn fog lights in the bumper work, but don't put out very much light

Thew rubber bobbin is a winch line saver. It keeps you from breaking the line over too great of an angle, thus protecting it
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 09:52:59 PM
Source price and part number for the klieg lights?


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Ahhh, errr...

Man, I order so much stuff, I don't recall where I got those

Sorry!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
by the way. that's old school way of adding lights.  Kinda like that idea compared to the silly kids with their 86 inch light bars
Copy that

I like the old school way better. Light bars have their place, so an integrated approach using several different technologies probably ensures at least one light survives
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
This is C-Max's first kill

These scuff marks is where a family member's Honda Prelude (I think its a prelude) gave up it's tail light, rear bumper and quarter panel. I only have the scuff marks but my poor nefew's car is all ganked up. He backed into my truck on Easter...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 18, 2017, 10:44:45 PM
This is C-Max's first kill

These scuff marks is where a family member's Honda Prelude (I think its a prelude) gave up it's tail light, rear bumper and quarter panel. I only have the scuff marks but my poor nefew's car is all ganked up. He backed into my truck on Easter...

You filing a claim on his insurance??


Definition of insult to injury
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2017, 10:49:08 PM
This is C-Max's first kill

These scuff marks is where a family member's Honda Prelude (I think its a prelude) gave up it's tail light, rear bumper and quarter panel. I only have the scuff marks but my poor nefew's car is all ganked up. He backed into my truck on Easter...

You filing a claim on his insurance??


Definition of insult to injury
Naw.

He just earned his Phd a few months ago and finally at work. He doesn't need the financial hassle. Besides, I really have no damage, just an added layer of protection smeared on!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on April 18, 2017, 11:09:37 PM
Gotta get some kill count stickers to put on the driver's door now.



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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 19, 2017, 12:03:44 AM
That is the biggest winch puck I ever saw!

I like to put a small bandage on those, makes people laugh.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2017, 11:38:54 AM
Gotta get some kill count stickers to put on the driver's door now.



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Remember this:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on April 19, 2017, 11:44:41 AM
Sure do! Now it sits collecting dust... :facepalm:

But the C-Max needs them now too...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2017, 11:45:43 AM
Sure do! Now it sits collecting dust... :facepalm:

But the C-Max needs them now too...
I'll see what I can do...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2017, 05:09:49 PM
I noticed a funny sound coming from the front end
 It is a rubbing sound like a brake caliper is dragging, but only when going around right hand turns.

I think my particuliar front suspension/steering undergoes unusally harsh treatment. First of all it is lifted six inches and is moving 35" tires around

Secondly the front is fighting against the locked up rear axle. Not much but it no doubt plays a part.

Next, this truck goes off road quite a bit. Not big deep mud pits, but uneven rocky roads, every week.

So my first suspect was the wheel bearings, but a quick check of those, showed them to be as tight as the lock on Obamas birth records.

a few times before I ran into some unusual noises and it turned out to be ball joints twice and the tie rod ends once.

I had those baseball bat looking tie rods installed two years ago and I managed to keep them greased.

With all that in mind, I hunted down two brandly new Moog upper ball joints.

The old emergency auto zone junk rubber boots had rotted within 6 months. That is a Chinese trademark right there!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2017, 05:11:36 PM
I'm not sure those ball joints had failed, but considering the ripped up boots, I was definitely uncomfortable with them.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2017, 05:12:35 PM
I ran out of nails, so I had to resort to regular cotter pins!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2017, 05:17:02 PM
The Cognito UCA's use a different ball joint that the stocker, but I got SOOOO lucky scoring two.

I went over to Orilleys Auto Parts to get two new ones

The kind lady working there plucked the two she had off the shelf, opened the box and found some missing parts in either box. Seems they had sold them before, and had taken them back minus some of the hardware.

They cost $46 apiece new, so we settled on $50 for the pair and I left a happy camper.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2017, 05:18:12 PM
All that went back together fairly quickly. I had used anti-seize on the barrel of the old joints, so they seperated quite easily
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2017, 05:20:18 PM
Then I went shiffing around and right away, I think I spotted the culprit

Take a look at this: A loose Idler arm with its double shear Cognito truss and a nut nearly backed off

Well following some noise from my impact gun, that nut found ground zero once again
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2017, 05:22:19 PM
Next think I did was to grind away the steering limit stops maybe 1/4"

Knowing this will place an obscene angle on the front CV shafts, I said what the heck and did it anyway!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 06, 2017, 05:23:12 PM
Next I backed up, crushing my Nikon camera, became ill, and quit for the day!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on May 06, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
Eww, I got the same cognito support system. Better go check mine, she's been feeling loose for a couple months now. ...just hate lying on my back.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on May 06, 2017, 05:59:31 PM
Eww, I got the same cognito support system. Better go check mine, she's been feeling loose for a couple months now. ...just hate lying on my back.

 :popcorn:   :shocked:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on May 06, 2017, 06:44:17 PM
That's not what H said....... :popcorn:

For the record Nate was thinking it too!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on May 06, 2017, 07:10:06 PM
For the record, I knew what both of you would think.    # Fishingforidiots
;P

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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on May 06, 2017, 07:15:36 PM
 :beercheers:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 06, 2017, 08:24:27 PM
Next I backed up, crushing my Nikon camera, became ill, and quit for the day!

Epic fail. Sorry Don. That stinks


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on May 06, 2017, 09:22:12 PM
Next I backed up, crushing my Nikon camera, became ill, and quit for the day!
Oh, that's a horrible way to get ill...
Not cool, that sucks Don.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 06, 2017, 10:32:41 PM
For the record, I knew what both of you would think.    # Fishingforidiots
;P

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Me too!!

 :beercheers:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 06, 2017, 10:37:39 PM
Don, I just noticed you have the ball joints on top of the arms. I believe they go on the bottom (push on the arm vs push on the bolts).

It may affect the geometry a little, but Safety is a bigger thing!

http://www.cognitomotorsports.com/media/pdfs/7054.pdf
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 07, 2017, 12:53:06 AM
That right there is a very interesting cathlch JR


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 07, 2017, 01:14:07 AM
Done a couple myself and carry spares!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2017, 11:21:46 AM
Don, I just noticed you have the ball joints on top of the arms. I believe they go on the bottom (push on the arm vs push on the bolts).

It may affect the geometry a little, but Safety is a bigger thing!

http://www.cognitomotorsports.com/media/pdfs/7054.pdf
Holy Smokes!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 07, 2017, 11:26:49 AM
So after I drove over the Nikon making it less reckonizable, it was time to get ready for church anyway.

I worked pulling security for a hope over heroin event at my church. Our security team provides security for the church so we covered this as well. During the event the weather turned cold, dropping from the 50's down into the high 30's.

The program goes after the core of the problem which is no or a broken relationship with Christ. They don't seek to stop the addiction, they go after the whole broken man and bring him into a proper relationship with his creator.

Last night around 11PM, I watched almost twenty men give their lives to the Lord, and get baptised...in very cold water, full immersion

Now that was worth the sore back and knees I currently sport!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 07, 2017, 01:21:42 PM
Don, I just noticed you have the ball joints on top of the arms. I believe they go on the bottom (push on the arm vs push on the bolts).

It may affect the geometry a little, but Safety is a bigger thing!

http://www.cognitomotorsports.com/media/pdfs/7054.pdf
Holy Smokes!

It also has a raised lip that rides inside the UCA pocket there. That is a lot of stress on 4 little bolts with a lift and big tires.

Might be why you are tearing up the boots too, that lip is rubbing on the boot.

Stop setting your camera on the ground,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2017, 09:32:33 AM
Don, I just noticed you have the ball joints on top of the arms. I believe they go on the bottom (push on the arm vs push on the bolts).

It may affect the geometry a little, but Safety is a bigger thing!

http://www.cognitomotorsports.com/media/pdfs/7054.pdf
Holy Smokes!

It also has a raised lip that rides inside the UCA pocket there. That is a lot of stress on 4 little bolts with a lift and big tires.

Might be why you are tearing up the boots too, that lip is rubbing on the boot.

Stop setting your camera on the ground,,,,,,,,,

You are right, the ball joint goes beneath the control arm...counter intutive to me, but sa'-live'

But the lip is not rubbing the boot...no contact at all

The boots were just cheap chinese "sorta-rubber" that fail at the first sign of either flew or sunlight.

So plan is to reverse the ball joints. I ordered another hardware packet to get them in there correctly with new bolts

I think I'll find some poly boots, since we know that is a high wear area

I also ordered a Cognito 1.5" swaybar and their flexy 7" end links
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 08, 2017, 09:34:55 AM
With all the country twisty road driving I do, that truck rolls around like a sailboat on a choppy lake. I think the larger sway bar will help while still allowing the rear axle to articulate a lot to stay in contact with the ground for all the off road driving I do

Here's the incoming Cognito parts:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 08, 2017, 01:53:07 PM
Good start. I just use 5/16 grade 8 on the ball joints. I don't trust the hardware on lots of stuff.

Watch the clearance on the joints. Mine rubbed on the steering link and toasted a boot. I used a few washers to space it and now is fine.

With that load on the back a rear sway bar might be needed. I have a nice light FG shell. You have a metal shell loaded to the MAX and all the stuff on the back!

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:39:13 PM
Today was sway bar day

I'll be removing the stocker and replacing it with Cognito's 1.5" bar with their heavy duty end links
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:40:05 PM
The new bar has poly bushings and a nice powder coat finish
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:41:19 PM
Good quality hardware as well. The extra packet of bolts is for the ball joint swap around to make that right.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:46:33 PM
Here is a side by side
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
The new end link mounts normally at the bar end, but is set up to pivot on the control arm end

Poly bushing shown. It got plenty of poly grease
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:49:50 PM
The bar and hardware make for a well fitting and clean installation
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:51:36 PM
The end link takes some fussing with to clear the Fabtech lift kit, but in the end it all fits
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:53:57 PM
While underneath, I decided to readjust my bumper.

I had noted that it was difficult to get the right headlight out. Looking underneath, I think I push one too many trees around, as the right side mount was sitting full aft and the left side was 3/4 forward
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:55:25 PM
All done and tightened back up

Second pic is the view a Cube has when I'm tailgating at 80MPH
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 07:56:15 PM
He is never far away!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
So far, so good!

Six years old, 74K on the clock and one small dent...On the hood left side leading edge. Killed a buzzard that wasn't quick enough on his departure roll!

And he was the first I ever hit. Then not a month later I took out his cousin!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2017, 08:03:23 PM
JR,
I think I bolted this thing on correctly, although I noticed I installed a couple of the cylinder head bolts upside down!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 22, 2017, 08:44:50 PM
I drove over a hundred miles of twisty KY roads today with and without a trailer and probably another 30-40 highway as well.

I am really happy with how the truck handles now. It's way different. It stays mostly flat in the corners and allows me to carry more speed through the turns than I did in the past.

Overall, its an excellent mod for the money
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 22, 2017, 09:35:33 PM
Well, if they were studs as you would use it doesn't matter anyway,,,,,,,,,,,

Glade the mod worked as it should, maybe one for the rear with all that swinging up there, and being dragged.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 23, 2017, 07:42:19 AM
X2. I would have thought the rear would be the place to start. What was the cost of the kit?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 23, 2017, 08:19:28 AM
X2. I would have thought the rear would be the place to start. What was the cost of the kit?


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I'll look into it Tex
Only reason I stay away from messing with the rear is that 70%-80% of suspension articulation occurs in the rear. I need that with the nature of the off road I did yesterday and 2X times a week. But a smaller rear bar might not adversely affect that since this is mostly a on road truck and the country road driving it the predominate negative to the feel of the thing.

Who has one? Addco?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Armalite on May 23, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
Don, I just noticed you have the ball joints on top of the arms. I believe they go on the bottom (push on the arm vs push on the bolts).

It may affect the geometry a little, but Safety is a bigger thing!

http://www.cognitomotorsports.com/media/pdfs/7054.pdf
Holy Smokes!

WOW!!  I just looked back on my install from about 50 years ago seems like, and I did the exact same thing Don.  Had them mounted on top instead of on bottom... 

Glad to see the black truck still putting in work.   :likebutton:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 23, 2017, 11:22:39 AM
X2. I would have thought the rear would be the place to start. What was the cost of the kit?


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I'll look into it Tex
Only reason I stay away from messing with the rear is that 70%-80% of suspension articulation occurs in the rear. I need that with the nature of the off road I did yesterday and 2X times a week. But a smaller rear bar might not adversely affect that since this is mostly a on road truck and the country road driving it the predominate negative to the feel of the thing.

Who has one? Addco?


Hellwig
http://www.xtremediesel.com/hellwig-7885-lifted-rear-sway-bar.aspx?gclid=CK-SgN-ohtQCFQsvaQodFOwMaw



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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 23, 2017, 11:44:19 AM
That is not bad and fits the bill perfect for CM.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 23, 2017, 01:33:09 PM
Obviously this is more for your wife's and Shawn's jeep, but maybe something like this you could fab up? https://www.amazon.com/JKS-2034-Swaybar-Quicker-Disconnect/dp/B005TTZ78M that way you can maintain your articulation off road and manners on street.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 23, 2017, 03:18:53 PM
Don, I just noticed you have the ball joints on top of the arms. I believe they go on the bottom (push on the arm vs push on the bolts).

It may affect the geometry a little, but Safety is a bigger thing!

http://www.cognitomotorsports.com/media/pdfs/7054.pdf
Holy Smokes!

WOW!!  I just looked back on my install from about 50 years ago seems like, and I did the exact same thing Don.  Had them mounted on top instead of on bottom... 

Glad to see the black truck still putting in work.   :likebutton:
Hey Ash!I thought some gator ate you a year or two back!

Glad to have you around

Spread some news...What about that Dodge?? (Or Ram??)

I'd like to see what you've done to it lately

And what of you?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on May 23, 2017, 05:09:02 PM
Hey Don, what about a disconnecting sway bar. Best of both worlds.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 23, 2017, 05:54:55 PM
Hey Don, what about a disconnecting sway bar. Best of both worlds.
Maybe it's just a PNW thing, but I think we're on to something. I actually researched this a bit, and couldn't find anything, but there's nothing stopping you from fabbing up some poly bushing heim jointed custom bad boys. think these but way bigger:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 23, 2017, 07:21:06 PM
I'm not sure that crawling through the mulch at the mall causes enough articulation to warrant QD but if it ever became a problem, there is the solution.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2017, 10:02:42 AM
Hey Don, what about a disconnecting sway bar. Best of both worlds.
I don't think this truck reaches that level. It's a driver, and a hauler. I just end up in the mud and on uneven terrain at the end of the drive, that's all.

Remaining practical about it all, there is no need to go all off road with this truck. The biggest factor affecting its drivability are the twisty roads which motorcyclists come in from two states to drive just because of all the twisties.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2017, 10:05:20 AM
Now, having said that

You may see a Ram PowerWagon in my stable some day as well. Disconnecting sway bar and all

I already have the GJ Ruby with the disconnecting stuff. Thing about that jeep is that it feels disconnected from the road like as in all the time :-0
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 24, 2017, 11:34:18 AM
since the differentials for the Ram Power wagon and the duramax are the same now, you might "acquire" a QD set from one to test it out, you know for posterity and all. I think what Ryan and all are trying to get at is you commented you didn't want to lose articulation in the rear where you needed it most, but also wanted to add a sway bar. with the QD concept you get both. You're not doing more than you need, or converting it into a mulch bed destroyer, just enough to get what you want out of it. (I wonder if I sound like you to your wife trying to sell her on some new piece of equipment you "need" to purchase).
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2017, 12:28:49 PM
since the differentials for the Ram Power wagon and the duramax are the same now, you might "acquire" a QD set from one to test it out, you know for posterity and all. I think what Ryan and all are trying to get at is you commented you didn't want to lose articulation in the rear where you needed it most, but also wanted to add a sway bar. with the QD concept you get both. You're not doing more than you need, or converting it into a mulch bed destroyer, just enough to get what you want out of it. (I wonder if I sound like you to your wife trying to sell her on some new piece of equipment you "need" to purchase).
Point of order:
Axles do not disconnect, the saw bar does
and
Dodge has a solid front axle
Chevy has the IFS

Not exactly the same

And its the front sway bar which disconnects

Does the PW even have a rear sway bar???
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 24, 2017, 01:45:36 PM
since the differentials for the Ram Power wagon and the duramax are the same now, you might "acquire" a QD set from one to test it out, you know for posterity and all. I think what Ryan and all are trying to get at is you commented you didn't want to lose articulation in the rear where you needed it most, but also wanted to add a sway bar. with the QD concept you get both. You're not doing more than you need, or converting it into a mulch bed destroyer, just enough to get what you want out of it. (I wonder if I sound like you to your wife trying to sell her on some new piece of equipment you "need" to purchase).
Point of order:
Axles do not disconnect, the saw bar does
and
Dodge has a solid front axle
Chevy has the IFS

Not exactly the same

And its the front sway bar which disconnects

Does the PW even have a rear sway bar???

You're talking to the axle and gear guy, but I'll take it on the chin.

Was always referencing the sway bars, not the axles.
IFS and Solid axle are VERY different, but both applications can benefit from anti sway bars as you've seen in your installation recently.
TBH, I have no idea if the rear axle has a sway bar, let alone one that disconnects, but you commented on it and got my wheels turning.
Sam (I believe) mentioned something about the rear being more effective in anti sway, you said I want to keep articulation for the farm, viola, we have arrived here.
This comment: "since the differentials for the Ram Power wagon and the duramax are the same now" was in reference to the 11.5 rear axles we had been discussing, although I did not specify.

I like spitballing ideas because I sometimes get to see those ideas come to fruition through you old timers with more time on your hands.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2017, 02:20:21 PM
Copy all

BTW, I make these clarifications for the benefit of everyone, Like, for example, that young guy reading this for the first time.

Moving on, doesn't the ram 2500 use a AAM 9.25" front diff? I was thinking the D60 front was replaced by the AAM 9.25 in a solid axle form some time ago, am I wrong?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on May 24, 2017, 02:31:18 PM
FWIW, I was thinking disconnecting sway bar for the rear since you stated " 70%-80% of suspension articulation occurs in the rear", as well as JR's comment about the weight in the rear - a sway bar on the rear might make you feel more planted to the road when towing.

Anywho -- carry on :)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 24, 2017, 02:54:14 PM
Copy all

BTW, I make these clarifications for the benefit of everyone, Like, for example, that young guy reading this for the first time.

Moving on, doesn't the ram 2500 use a AAM 9.25" front diff? I was thinking the D60 front was replaced by the AAM 9.25 in a solid axle form some time ago, am I wrong?

10-4.

Front diff has been 9.25 AAM since 2003 on all 3/4 & 1 ton flavors for Dodge/Ram 2014 saw some MAJOR changes to their rear drivetrain, but front remained the same for the most part.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
FWIW, I was thinking disconnecting sway bar for the rear since you stated " 70%-80% of suspension articulation occurs in the rear", as well as JR's comment about the weight in the rear - a sway bar on the rear might make you feel more planted to the road when towing.

Anywho -- carry on :)
I am ordering a Hellwig rear sway bar as soon as my military discount approval shows up at XPD Diesel.

I had no idea they offered that, a 10% discount, and a price match + $5.

XPD had it for $302. I found it for $296

296 - 5 = $291

- 10% = $262

That works for me!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 24, 2017, 04:08:03 PM
Looking forward to the AAR


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on May 24, 2017, 07:42:35 PM
Poor lonely SQ D
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2017, 08:22:09 PM
Poor lonely SQ D
Not lonely

Has all sorts of things piled all over it! ;-))
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 24, 2017, 09:13:58 PM
Looking forward to the AAR


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Parts ordered!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 24, 2017, 09:36:01 PM
Poor lonely SQ D

Whats that???
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on May 25, 2017, 08:00:06 AM
Poor lonely SQ D
Not lonely

Has all sorts of things piled all over it! ;-))
I think there's a bike or two on it or in it...no wait under it...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 25, 2017, 08:29:27 AM
Poor lonely SQ D
Not lonely

Has all sorts of things piled all over it! ;-))
I think there's a bike or two on it or in it...no wait under it...
Cat nest ontop of the fuel tank

Mud daubers in the fenderwell

Some kind of singing bird in a nest on the roof

And the normal assortment of spiders who set up camp everywhere

Oh, and an old dog underneath along with all the fluid spills...

It has become a virtual community!

Are there such things as cat nests?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 25, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
Concerning the sway bar I ordered,
I Just got this:


Dear, Donald
We're sorry to inform you that the following item(s) you've ordered are temporarily out of stock from the manufacturer   We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused. We're working quickly to get the product(s) shipped to you at the earliest possible date.

To substitute another item or cancel the out of stock item(s) from your order, please contact our Customer Service department. If we have not heard from you, your item(s) will ship once available. Should you have questions on possible alternatives, please call to speak with one of our knowledgeable Performance Specialist.   
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 25, 2017, 06:10:25 PM
Do you want me to reach out to Dan at XDP?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 25, 2017, 09:54:17 PM
Do you want me to reach out to Dan at XDP?
Sure, lets see what he says
Tell him that his stuff is about to be featured on this web site
I think its out of his hands though, seems the manufacturer is out
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on May 25, 2017, 09:54:35 PM
I've never faced your exact situation but I have dealt with customer service at XDP before. They were very helpful. 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 26, 2017, 12:26:51 PM
Do you want me to reach out to Dan at XDP?
Sure, lets see what he says
Tell him that his stuff is about to be featured on this web site
I think its out of his hands though, seems the manufacturer is out

I was not able to reach him, but I've found the same kit on backorder with other vendors and it does appear that Hellwig is out of stock currently. They are stateside so it's not like they're waiting for overseas shipments to land. I'd just wait it out, but continue to follow up.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2017, 12:28:25 PM
Do you want me to reach out to Dan at XDP?
Sure, lets see what he says
Tell him that his stuff is about to be featured on this web site
I think its out of his hands though, seems the manufacturer is out

I was not able to reach him, but I've found the same kit on backorder with other vendors and it does appear that Hellwig is out of stock currently. They are stateside so it's not like they're waiting for overseas shipments to land. I'd just wait it out, but continue to follow up.
OK, works for me

Danke' for checkin' up on it!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on May 26, 2017, 01:04:44 PM
Any time. Specially if I know the guys anyone's working with.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Armalite on May 26, 2017, 01:22:07 PM
Don, I just noticed you have the ball joints on top of the arms. I believe they go on the bottom (push on the arm vs push on the bolts).

It may affect the geometry a little, but Safety is a bigger thing!

http://www.cognitomotorsports.com/media/pdfs/7054.pdf
Holy Smokes!

WOW!!  I just looked back on my install from about 50 years ago seems like, and I did the exact same thing Don.  Had them mounted on top instead of on bottom... 

Glad to see the black truck still putting in work.   :likebutton:
Hey Ash!I thought some gator ate you a year or two back!

Glad to have you around

Spread some news...What about that Dodge?? (Or Ram??)

I'd like to see what you've done to it lately

And what of you?


Would clog up your thread to give all that information...  All is good here.  Lot's of changes, lots...  Dodge is gone, and I will never own another new one.  Will stay with Duramax from now on...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on May 26, 2017, 03:49:47 PM
Well, there's a story there ^^^^^
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on May 26, 2017, 05:40:38 PM
Definitely a story there...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 26, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
Open a new thread I like good stories


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on May 27, 2017, 12:03:36 AM
Well, there's a story there ^^^^^

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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 10, 2017, 09:19:02 PM
I have an inbound on the sway bar...Should have it this week!

Next up: Tires

OK, almost since new, about 70,000 miles ago, I have only run Toyo MT's, 35 12.50R18. Every so often I replace two of them and continue the rotation cycle. I rotate maybe every 10,000 miles.

I now have a significant shimmy in the steering wheel and a pretty good inbalance shaking the truck. The two front MT's are down to about 30% and time to send them on their happy way. The back two MT's are 75%.

I want to step aside to another brand tire which is less expensive. I just see no benefit to paying for a premium tire when that tire is only giving me 25,000 ish before it is 30%-40%.

I have looked over the mastercraft Courser, but availability is not so good in my area. But my other choice, the new General X3 MT's are available. They run around $269 in the 35" fitment, while the Toyos near $400. There is really no choice to make, the less costly tire is clearly the smart bet.

I do not know, however, if I should just buy two or, go for all four, then purchase number five when its time to rotate. In my former Armee life when I drove a stick shift F250 powerstroke truck, I only ran the General tire and with decent results.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on June 10, 2017, 09:45:11 PM
Might be worth only two to see how they hold up.
My only concern would be overall diameter.
Yeah there both 35's but how do they actually measure.
Some difference can be tolerated, but I'm no expert on how much.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on June 10, 2017, 09:56:56 PM
You have also said the truck is over geared and have been wanting to up the dia some?

No I have been more than happy with my Coopers and they tend to be very price friendly. With that said I had Generals I liked, but they wore fast.

I say go for the whole set.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on June 10, 2017, 10:11:50 PM
Following, the f150 will need new more aggressive shoes before winter.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on June 10, 2017, 10:39:11 PM
Following, the f150 will need new more aggressive shoes before winter.

Duratracs.


Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on June 10, 2017, 10:53:02 PM
Following, the f150 will need new more aggressive shoes before winter.

Duratracs.

I have them on the jk, sidewalls are the weak link.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 10, 2017, 11:33:21 PM
I have had good luck with wear of my nitto terra grapplers.   No complaints.   I can't remember the cost sorry


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: BobbyB on June 11, 2017, 10:11:03 AM
I have them on the jk, sidewalls are the weak link.....

Never had a problem with mine, but I think you might do more things that could puncture the sidewalls.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on June 11, 2017, 10:45:14 AM
I have them on the jk, sidewalls are the weak link.....

Never had a problem with mine, but I think you might do more things that could puncture the sidewalls.

Yes, & we added a diamondback SE truck topper so we can store & haul gear on camping trips. So I see a few backwoods adventures with this truck.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2017, 12:16:35 AM
They came in, but the Pep-Boys shop can't get to them until NEXT SATURDAY!

Service?? What service...

Tires look typical of mud tires from yesterday that worked like champs.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:15:37 PM
Man, this tire thing just won't die!

So it is next week. I went to Pep boys to get the tires mounted.

Guess what?

They didn't have balance beads...AGAIN!

One more time they ran all over creation trying to get some but failed. I grabbed the manager and told him I didn't want to do business with him. I had told them three times to get the balance beads, They had scheduled me three times to get the tires installed, although I missed my first appt. It takes some special crew according to them to handle these "Big" tires. Any other place would have them on in a jiffy.

I told him that I thought they were incompetent, and when he told me he had his very best guy on the job because of the balance beads, I knew they didn't have the first clue what they were doing or talking about. I would be done with them for good...Amatures.

So from the parking lot, I call another place. They agree to go get the tires and mount them within an hour if I could drive up to Ohio, so I went. I arrived and verified which tires I was purchasing and looking at a picture of the new Grabber X3's I told them to break the tires down, I was in a hurry...Had a wedding to go to in four hours.

Something around an hour later I saw my truck pull into the parking lot, all done. I walked out to check it out and as I approached, something was looking very wrong.

They had mounted up a set of 33" tires, not the 35"!!!!!!!!!!!!

My truck looked like it was on roller skates! I told them to just yank them back off and reinstall my old tires. I think God is trying to tell me something. So an hour and a half later, I was back in the same configuration I had started the day in.

I drove it home, and guess what? It was riding a whole lot better. I got to looking at the tires. Two are better than 50% and two are maybe 30%-40%, so I'll just drive on them for awhile I guess

So much for tires!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:17:06 PM
Next up: Rear sway bar.

The thing finally came in. It arrived in a beat up box direct from Hellwig.

I opened the box to discover this:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:17:52 PM
Yea...Missing most of the parts!

Guess there won't be a rear swaybar happening.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:20:48 PM
So, next up, I needed to repair the tire carrier on the bumper. Years now of carrying that heavy tire and oftentimes also carrying three full cans of fuel have taken its toll and added a noticeable droop to the thing.

The tire carrier used to tuck in closely to the rear door on the capper
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:22:50 PM
So the plan will be to cut both sides and the top here, rotate the thing clockwise to the desired angle, re-weld and plate over for strength
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:24:03 PM
I used some .250 angle to plate over, then skip welded it into place.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:25:07 PM
And that made a big difference:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:25:59 PM
Before/After:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:27:22 PM
I painted the thing after grinding/cleaning and added some new hardware to the other side
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:29:03 PM
It is rattle free and I picked up some improved handling. I ran it through a local road race course and was able to best a Z06 vette and a 911 Porsche!

One of the above statements is true.
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on June 26, 2017, 10:42:02 PM
The Porsche is my guess. Probably a convertible with the driver wearing a sun visor


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 26, 2017, 10:48:14 PM
The Porsche is my guess. Probably a convertible with the driver wearing a sun visor


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Man, you're as sharp as a finely honed log! ;-)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: dave945 on June 26, 2017, 10:50:29 PM
I like the rear bumper/tire rack. i need to redo the bumpers on my k5, go a little more stout than stock.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on June 26, 2017, 10:59:04 PM
Bumper repair looks good.
Tough luck on the tires, He is telling you something I'd guess.
That box looks like how we get stuff up here. Beat to smitherines.
I once witnessed 2x4x.250 wall tubing arrive bent like a hockey stick blade.
20 footers, three feet wide instead of 2".

That sucks.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 27, 2017, 06:48:36 AM
Incompetence at tire shops
Whoodathunkit. Fortunately I've always had good experience with Discount Tire


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 27, 2017, 09:07:07 AM
I like the rear bumper/tire rack. i need to redo the bumpers on my k5, go a little more stout than stock.
You need a LOT more than stock

Quit thinking like someone who came from the Air Force and get real! ;-)

Come on over and check out the bumpers on SquareD. That is what you need.

Air Force...

They must have invented the concept of washing your feet with your socks on!...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on June 27, 2017, 12:49:14 PM
I like the rear bumper/tire rack. i need to redo the bumpers on my k5, go a little more stout than stock.
You need a LOT more than stock

Quit thinking like someone who came from the Air Force and get real! ;-)

Come on over and check out the bumpers on SquareD. That is what you need.

Air Force...

They must have invented the concept of washing your feet with your socks on!...

Don't worry Dave, Don's just still bent out of shape over the tire pros. I'm sure he's more than happy to show you how to fab an 800lb statue.  :wink:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 27, 2017, 03:01:37 PM
I like the rear bumper/tire rack. i need to redo the bumpers on my k5, go a little more stout than stock.
You need a LOT more than stock

Quit thinking like someone who came from the Air Force and get real! ;-)

Come on over and check out the bumpers on SquareD. That is what you need.

Air Force...

They must have invented the concept of washing your feet with your socks on!...

Don't worry Dave, Don's just still bent out of shape over the tire pros. I'm sure he's more than happy to show you how to fab an 800lb statue.  :wink:
Tater

Ya know...Some day when you're hopelessly stuck in a mud hole, during a gunfight, and Square D just cruises on by like its on a sunday cruise...Well, on that day you're gonna regret saying those horrible things! ;-))
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: dave945 on June 27, 2017, 04:33:32 PM
I like the rear bumper/tire rack. i need to redo the bumpers on my k5, go a little more stout than stock.
You need a LOT more than stock

Quit thinking like someone who came from the Air Force and get real! ;-)

Come on over and check out the bumpers on SquareD. That is what you need.

Air Force...

They must have invented the concept of washing your feet with your socks on!...
Don't you need the bumpers on Square D so you can strap it to the trailer when you take it to the shop?  I don't need bumpers like that, mine runs.
 :tongue:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on June 27, 2017, 05:32:18 PM
Looks like Dave can take care of himself.  :beercheers: And should that day arrive, I'll be weeping tears of joy when she motors on past under her own power.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on June 27, 2017, 07:02:09 PM
I like the rear bumper/tire rack. i need to redo the bumpers on my k5, go a little more stout than stock.
You need a LOT more than stock

Quit thinking like someone who came from the Air Force and get real! ;-)

Come on over and check out the bumpers on SquareD. That is what you need.

Air Force...

They must have invented the concept of washing your feet with your socks on!...

Don't worry Dave, Don's just still bent out of shape over the tire pros. I'm sure he's more than happy to show you how to fab an 8000lb statue.  :wink:
Fixed it... :cool:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 27, 2017, 07:44:37 PM
I like the rear bumper/tire rack. i need to redo the bumpers on my k5, go a little more stout than stock.
You need a LOT more than stock

Quit thinking like someone who came from the Air Force and get real! ;-)

Come on over and check out the bumpers on SquareD. That is what you need.

Air Force...

They must have invented the concept of washing your feet with your socks on!...

Don't worry Dave, Don's just still bent out of shape over the tire pros. I'm sure he's more than happy to show you how to fab an 8000lb statue.  :wink:
Fixed it... :cool:
Only thing you fixed is your future here!

You're fired

(I've been studyin' the Trump)

I try and remember to ban you later on after I cook up some crabcakes!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bob Smith on June 27, 2017, 10:21:48 PM
Another one bites the dust.You are with good company however. If Don spent as much time on the truck as firing people, it just might be running.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on June 27, 2017, 10:39:00 PM
I was just goin' to add...the only way that truck will make it to Tate's neck of the woods, would be if the 'Tuck raised a few thousand feet in altitude and Big D released the e-brake !
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on June 27, 2017, 11:15:59 PM
Another one bites the dust.You are with good company however. If Don spent as much time on the truck as firing people, it just might be running.
Might have to fire another one...That Ken guy is acting up again

Seems I'm losing control here

No, wait, can't lose something you never had

And...I forgot to ban Sam. Crabcakes were so good banning him slipped my mind.
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Dawg25385 on June 28, 2017, 12:55:39 AM
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Only thing you fixed is your future here!

You're fired


This is golden. Might be sig worthy.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
Sortieing  now a couple times a week to/from the hide, I am accumulating a bunch of debris and dirt along with a healthy dose of dog hair.

This floor is a week or so after a through cleaning and a trip to/from the farm. It gets dirty fast.

To solve this issue I decided that spreading a blanket over the floor was simply not effective. So I purchased a set of weather-tech floor covers for the front and back
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 04:59:37 PM
The rear mat is large, covering all of the floor even the area beneath the seats
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 05:00:19 PM
From vacuumed and shampooed to this in just one trip!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 05:01:16 PM
Was in a hurry today, so I just tossed the new floor covering right over the mess, protecting it from more dust!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 05:02:36 PM
The front pieces were very well made and fit like a shadow!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 05:03:35 PM
Before/after
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on July 11, 2017, 05:04:34 PM
The rear one should help contain the mess!
I forget the newer seats fold up.
Mine fold down, I use a couple packing blankets and one blanket over it all.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 05:05:15 PM
The underside of the mats attach to some nifty "adhesion disks" which have a lot of sharp little points which will find all the cuts in your fingers if you are sporting them like someone I know
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 05:07:00 PM
The rear one should help contain the mess!
I forget the newer seats fold up.
Mine fold down, I use a couple packing blankets and one blanket over it all.
I was running out of blankest!

I spend a bit of time carefully tucking the things under and around this or that.

Then

The first dog gets in, does a quick clearing turn which unseats the blanket, then he inevitably plops down on the newly exposed piece of not so virgin carpet!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
The sheepskin seat covers are holding up nicely, but come winter I think I'll opt for some black covers so I get a little cooler lookin'
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: dave945 on July 11, 2017, 05:08:51 PM
Those are nice floor mats. I like the fact they double as a concealment garment, I could see your pistol before you put them on. But after, nothing. it was like magic.  :tongue:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on July 11, 2017, 05:20:46 PM
I like weather tec, need a set for the F150 b4 winter....... JK already sports them  :likebutton:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 11, 2017, 05:30:08 PM
Those are nice floor mats. I like the fact they double as a concealment garment, I could see your pistol before you put them on. But after, nothing. it was like magic.  :tongue:
Yea? Wow
Amazing!

A/F!!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on July 11, 2017, 05:58:53 PM
I'm less than impressed with the Weathertech product. I feel that the entire bottom should have the little nubbies that grab into the carpet - especially on the older trucks that don't have the floor mat hook in the floor. They do send a hook that screws into the carpet as a retrofit, but only for the driver's side. As a result, my passenger side slides all over the place.  The do fit well initially, but over time I've noticed that they don't fit as snug. Case in point - my passenger side sliding around has made the mat deform from around the lower a-pillar trim. You step up into the truck and the whole thing goes sliding.

In my wife's rig, it is so bad that the passenger door hits the mat when closing, and the driver side is pulling away from the a-pillar trim down by the parking brake.  I contacted them via Facebook (of all places) and sent a picture of this and they sent me a new front set for the wife's rig -- so at least the customer service is good (haven't complained about the one in my truck yet). That said, I may still opt for Husky liners next time - at least they have the nubs on the bottom.

Just my $.02
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 12, 2017, 12:43:05 AM
We installed the weather techs in our family traverse, I love the one solid piece in the back of the SUV second and third row.  But like rpar86.  My driver and passenger matts are slowly deforming as we speak.  I called and was instructed to put them in the house in a warm temp and they will go back to shape.   Not sure what the cool of my house will do to mold them any different than the 100 degrees outside will do but. ... I didn't bother


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Wilbur on July 12, 2017, 09:21:32 AM
I forget what set I bought for the yukon but the front ones were a thick pliable rubber that stayed put even w/minimal "nubs" (that's the technica term donchaknow?  :rolleyes:)... but the back seat one is like a hard plastic molded tray....fortunately it went all the way across the back and the fitment around the back of the console and the legs of the back seat keep it in place but it curls a bit and moves up/down slightly. Definitely shoddy compared to the fronts. But those front ones hold a ton or water which is great in the winter for sure.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on July 13, 2017, 12:11:44 PM
I am not overly impressed with my weathertechs. They fit OK, but could be way better. They seem to want to curl up and away from the edges. The stupid little screw thing just comes out and I have resorted to small screws for the drivers mat as it keep getting stuck in the door also. And the passenger side has never been the same after 1200 with a boy scout up there. Wish my rear seats folded up, the little mat for the back is a joke for $100.

I do need something for the drivers seat though (no sheepskin though) as after 11 years it is showing some wear.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 13, 2017, 07:29:56 PM
There are a lot of companies that offer leather seats.   You could try a brand and let us all know how it goes ?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 13, 2017, 07:42:49 PM

Ya know...Some day when you're hopelessly stuck in a mud hole, during a gunfight, and Square D just cruises on by like its on a sunday cruise...Well, on that day you're gonna regret saying those horrible things! ;-))
I just spit my drink out of my nose


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:31:22 PM
Weather Tech update

I can give the rear mat an A for performance and containing the debris from a recent farm trip.

The front drivers mat, however is moving around too much. THe excessive heat we have now is making it soft and it remolds itself into configurations that are trying to block my emergency brake pedal.

For that reason, the drivers mat, aka, the most heavily trafficked is a fail in my view and I would not purchase another based on what I am witnessing.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:33:05 PM
So, I finally got the missing hardware package for my rear sway bar.

Helwig sent me two hardware packets actually, so i started installing the bar.

Here is the complete kit as sold:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:39:08 PM
The sway bar is set up to mount beneath the axle housing with a bunch of threaded u-bolt hanging down in "wait-ah-minute" snag territory.

I did not like that too very much.

I started to assemble the link frame mounts, torqueing the passenger side frame mount before moving to the drivers side and making a discovery.

This sway bar will not fit applications where the owner is using the big atlas 57 gallon fuel tank. Where the stock tank has a flat side, the Atlas tank has a boxy protrusion which completely blocks off the frame where one would mount the link on that side
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:41:03 PM
So, what to do?

I want to install the bar to get me a tad better handling on these twisty Kentucky back roads, so I wonder if it might just fit facing backwards, and installed up and out of the way, on top of the axle???
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:43:56 PM
With that thought in mind, I started to mock it all up to check for clearance.

It will be facing the wrong direction...It will be mounted on top vs on the bottom...And there is a lot going on up on top of the axle.

Well, the mounts seem to fit OK, and they will capture the bar...and by rotating the mount somewhat, the bar can pivot without hanging up on stuff...Hmmm
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:44:40 PM
Angles aren't optimum, but other than that, so far, so good...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:47:04 PM
I'm not worried about having a sway bar facing aft, as my H2 Hummer had the rear bar set up like that, and I only broke it once!

The end links are going to be way too long, so I went about shortening them. First to cut it down, and tap the virgin steel using a 9/16" X 18 die
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:48:34 PM
With a copious amount of red grease, the two parts fit together quite well

I added the bushings and sleeves and called those parts done
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:50:49 PM
Those things are still adjustable which I like, so they got mounted to the bar loosely, as I proceeded mocking it all up

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:52:45 PM
Right away, I found a tail pipe hangar sitting exactly where I need to place the upper link mount, so I cut it off, then welded the mount to the frame.

A bolt would have been impracticable since a large tubular crossmember passes through the frame at that exact point
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:55:05 PM
I connected the links to the frame and looked the thing over.

The front of the bar will rise and fall with rear end bouncing. There seems to be plenty of room for that.

The brake line tabs had to be clearanced to allow for this up/down movement, so I cut off a corner of those.

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 18, 2017, 11:57:53 PM
Satisfied that it will at least fit and move, I disassembled the thing, applied the supplied grease, removed a spacer plate to get a little better angle, and then torqued the thing up.

Just like that, I think I am done. It was too late to go for a test drive, that will be in the morrow, but for now, I have an installed rear sway bar.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on July 19, 2017, 02:43:06 AM
Looks good. Who cares which way it points!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 19, 2017, 08:48:25 AM
^^^^^ I'm with you!

Who cares!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 19, 2017, 01:01:52 PM
Looks good.  How did it do on the first drive? Adverse noises? Squeaks?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 19, 2017, 05:05:06 PM
Looks good.  How did it do on the first drive? Adverse noises? Squeaks?


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Dave, I just got back from a couple hour sortie running everywhere but taking the by ways and country roads

I wish I had done this a long time ago. It feels absolutely great.

Gone is the pesky dive and roll when turning into a corner. it mostly just steers around the corner. So much so that I had to drive a bit less. Seems I now can turn the steering wheel a bit less and still hold a line through a 50 mph sweeper. Something else that I have no explanation for. As you know I run that excellent Yukon Grizzly locker. It had "slack" in it. when you let off the gas, then back on, it would back lash just a slight amount and that proved annoying sometime. It doesn't seem to have done that today. Just press the accelerator and you move forward, no waiting. The locker also did not do the clunky disengagement thing that it sometimes does. This drive was certainly too short to verify if that has stopped.

Overall, the truck feels planted, flat, and more secure in corners at speed. THere is no noise what so ever, and no notchiness. It just rides better.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on July 19, 2017, 06:01:41 PM
I wonder what affect that will cause on tire usage,   You were on the hunt for new rubber not long ago, unsuccessfully but hat might greatly aid in keeping rubber on the tire.   Was this all with out a trailer?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on July 19, 2017, 06:35:18 PM
Glad it is doing what it should. Those rear tires do not look like they will last the winter, if till then!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 20, 2017, 09:52:53 AM
I wonder what affect that will cause on tire usage,   You were on the hunt for new rubber not long ago, unsuccessfully but hat might greatly aid in keeping rubber on the tire.   Was this all with out a trailer?


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No trailer, just truck.

Hauling the trusses down to farmside tomorrow will pull the trailer then, but frankly, that's not much weight
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on July 20, 2017, 09:54:35 AM
Glad it is doing what it should. Those rear tires do not look like they will last the winter, if till then!
Roger that

And for now, I think I have found a good and proper tire.

Factoring in cost as an equal factor, I think I'll buy a set of Radar R7 in 35 12.50-18 when the weather shifts to colder climes.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on July 20, 2017, 01:10:10 PM
I really like my cooper stt's Don. Think its been 2 years now and I will easily get through this winter with them. Just had em rotated/balanced and they still have 1/4 front (center) and 3/8 in the rear.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 05:42:11 PM
So, after that experience with National Tire and Wheel that turned out so well

I now have tires

Thanks to Mark Hayes

Those who followed over on that thread know I settled on the BFG KM Mud Terrain Radial in fitment 37 12.50R18

These are Load Range D, 8 ply tires, so not as heavy duty as the 10 ply Toyos. But they had max loads around 3400+ per tire, so plenty enough tire for the lighter hauling I do every week
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on September 13, 2017, 05:58:14 PM
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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 06:06:52 PM
So as to not allow any grass grow under these tires, it's off to the tire shop

Actually off to a whole bunch of them.

That, too turned out to be an experience.
I went to the Tire Discounters in Walton, Kentucky. When i arrived I noticed the shop had no cars inside! Eureka, I'm first in line!
So I walks inside, I do. Then I's asks, can I get me five tires mounted up, there pretty please.

The man I is ah talkin to looks right back at me, he does and says, he can't get to me today. Now confused I am, so asks of the man, "Now why is that, cause, i don't see anyone in the shop?"
He sez, well that's cause there isn't anyone working today.

So I get's to thinkin, I do. Is it Christmas? No, not Christmas. Ah, is it Thanksgiving' Day? No, not thanksgiving either. Hmmm, Lincolns birthday, national arbor day, golden lilac remembrance day? No none of those.
I must have looked confused cause the man, he sez. "I had four of my five tire changers quit on me, and I just had to fire the fifth. I don't have any tire changers left.

Bad day, I'm thinking, so I ask if Mark can at least align the front end. He looks down and tells me that he, too has quit!

I didn't have time to sit and listen to what must have been a pretty good story, so I ask him if he can get me in the next town over, and he does over the phone and tells me to hurry up and get there.

Now that place is chock full of cars. The man tells me that he can't do the alignment, but if I agree to sit there until closing time (3 hours) he thinks he can get me done, but no alignment.

He says he is short on help. I was almost afraid to ask, but I did. The alignment guy quit (Can't make this stuff up) and all but one of heis tire changers also quit!!!!!!

OK, something definitely not so good going on with this company, so I respectfully decline any further service and just leave

I drove over to carmax. They can not do 37" tires. So I drive to Tom Gill Chevrolet. A very courteous young man asks the service manager if he can help me out. That guy says, no, unless you buy the tires from me.
Now there is an interesting side note here. You see I was just about to buy a 1 ton dually, a 3/4 ton truck, an impala and two midsize cars along with a commercial only 2500 suburban to have some heavy stuff installed in it. Because of that one incident, That dealership, whom I was going to use will see none of that business. His mottos says something about being a business of caring or something like that...

I then drive to GMC. THey can't get to me until Thursday and they never heard of balancing with beads (Are you kidding me???Isn't GMC supposed to be a truck store???) I then go to a place called Steels who can get to me the next day. But $25 a tire to change and another $15 a bag for the beads.

At this point, I threw up my arms and went to TSC to buy a water pump for the cistern holding tank at the farm. I run into Larry who works on Sarge from time to time. I relay the experience and then says "take it to Tire 1 Plus" a truck shop they use
So I did

I am so, so happy I did. THose folks were just great. None of the kid stuff I found everywhere else. These people know tires and trucks.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 06:10:12 PM
I gravitate toward places like this. If its shiny and new, I am immediately suspect.

The young man, Corey or Cody, man I forgot...Sorry

Anyway, he is very courteous to me and super respectful to "Too-Tall"
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 06:17:43 PM
Too Tall, is an ex Army airborne infantry sergeant who was one of those benevolent leaders who is the fabric, and spirit of the place. Right away he asks me what am I doing there, come to help?

Sergeants...

I counter, nope, come to tell you how to do this!"

I didn't know he was a sergeant, but he took notice to the SOCOM, USASOC and 101st Airborne patches on the topper. So he points to the tire and asks, "So where should I begin?"

I tell him, "Most people would jack the thing up and remove the lug nuts." He points to the very nice young man who he calls "Kid" who does just that.

I sort of get out of the way and away they go. They did things very methodically. After removing the tires, they used a wire wheel to clean the bead lip, and brake cleaner to clean all interior surfaces, then pulled and installed new valve stems. The coated the new tire beads with grease like soap and added the correct size packet of beads to each tire
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 06:19:28 PM
Notice the guns on Too Tall? 70 years old, that one, but the Airborne in him still works out!

And the process continued
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 06:21:04 PM
And he and I traded Armee stories and the friendship thing came to visit.

But all too soon, it was all over and time to go. I left Too Tall a little something and away I went.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 06:23:53 PM
First surprise: The tires are smoother!

Second surprise: They are quieter than the Toyos!

Third surprise. Now I can't explain this, but the GPS speed exactly matches the speedo!!!!!!!

Look at the fuzzy pic. You should see 69 mph on the gps and speedo, 20.4 mpg and the reflection of my grill just ah smilin away
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 06:26:57 PM
The truck has plenty of power, more than enough

and pulling into my driveway, the mpg clock was showing 19.0 for the trip. If I am not mistaken, that would be an increase
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 06:30:38 PM
Seems to be the right size tire for my truck to me.

So, the left headlight burned out AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to do something this time

I figured its the reduced voltage of the DRL headlight function that is not LED friendly, so I am pulling the DRL fuses.

I ordered new headlight assemblies since mine are starting to show some crazing. I got black projector housings set up for LEDs which I will rewire to kill any DRL function. Should be here in a few days
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on September 13, 2017, 06:50:27 PM
Brother Don, I was going to PM you, but chose to post it up instead...

Those are the first tires I ran on my new truck, but in 35s, also load D. I argued with discount tire about how they would be fine, even tho they said the tire wasn't good enough for an 8k lb truck. The only way they would even sell them to me was if I put them on, so I bought them and had my brother swap them at his shop.
Fast forward about 20,000 miles later (iirc...I posted about it somewhere on here) and they started chopping/cupping badly, and I was rotating often. I always had a vibration that I tried to fix with beads MULTIPLE times, adding weight, subtracting, but all that would change was the mph at which it would vibrate.
They just couldn't handle the weight of the truck. Off they came and I switched to Nittos and have yet to have a balance issue, nor have I had to use beads, even in those raunchy mud grapplers I ran.
Had I realized that these were the tires you were going after, I would've typed this sooner...but...maybe they've changed the compound in the last 4-5 years (hopefully?)

It was a crying shame...I really liked those tires, more than any other to date.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 13, 2017, 07:35:19 PM
Well, I'm $1660 deep into them at the moment and their life has just started.
What I have started, I will complete

I guess the question is where, exactly that end point is.

In the 18" fitment there are not a great selection of tires

Of the ones available, not many are, in my view, affordable

Then of those very few offerings, not many are available

So, for me, at this point in time, there were these and, I think, oh yea, no others!

I was not totally happy in purchasing a 1500 truck tire for my 8700 lb 2500 (3500??) truck. But the Toyos are shaking me apart. They were down to 7/32 on two tires and winter is approaching (Read wet mud, not snow) I have never liked running mud tires at less that 50% tread depth just because of the very real muddy life my truck (hauling my butt) lives.

So what we have here, is another test of this tire on the public stage. Lets see how they do...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on September 13, 2017, 07:58:53 PM
I didn't mean to sound negative, just throwing out some info. Again, I really liked those tires...a bunch smoother than the nittos, they didn't "track" when hitting grooves in the road, and did really great off road. It was the highway that they didn't hold up to (like above 60mph). I will be waiting and watching, hoping they do well for you. If they do, I'll try them again!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 13, 2017, 09:20:46 PM
I hope they work as they look good on there. With the 4.56 it should be in more of the sweet spot too.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on September 13, 2017, 10:51:06 PM
I hate the KM2's, I loved the old school mud ta's. The compound the the KM2's is too soft which is why I hated them. Basically what Ken stated & I bought a pair that were not round. Couldn't get them to balance right ever. I say all of this and BFG was a great sponsor. They make a great off road tire.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 15, 2017, 08:17:44 AM
I had the km2 on a Tacoma and a 1500 Silverado and really enjoyed them.  I have yet to buck up and put them on my Diesel truck but from the looks of my nitto ridge grapplers I will be having them a long time.  Looking forward to how they hold up to the rear locker on your truck.

Now I want gears or to lower my truck back to stock height


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2017, 09:05:45 AM
I had the km2 on a Tacoma and a 1500 Silverado and really enjoyed them.  I have yet to buck up and put them on my Diesel truck but from the looks of my nitto ridge grapplers I will be having them a long time.  Looking forward to how they hold up to the rear locker on your truck.

Now I want gears or to lower my truck back to stock height


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Yea, regarding the locker and these tires.
They seem to have made the Grizzly locker growl more.
When pulling out onto a street, 90 degree turn, the locker remains engage hopping the rear tires. At this rate, I cannot see the tires lasting long at all.
Now, the Toyos never did that.
Could it be the difference between a 10 ply tire (Toyos) and these 8 ply load range D BFG's???
Or Perhaps tire pressure. I ran the Toyos at 55-60 psi. THe max pressure on these BFG's is 50 and I am at 46 as a start point. Could the lower pressure make for a bigger contact patch and the lower pressure just be putting more tire on the road?

I am having an occasional wobble in the steering wheel at 55-60 mph that smooths out. The mileage remains strong, and I definitely have enough power with those 4.56's chewin up KY roads.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 15, 2017, 09:23:45 AM
That pressure seems about right for the size vehicle for my liking.  I ran my nittos at 38 for the first few months. I like them low but it does kill the mpg


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on September 15, 2017, 10:34:47 AM
I had the km2 on a Tacoma and a 1500 Silverado and really enjoyed them.  I have yet to buck up and put them on my Diesel truck but from the looks of my nitto ridge grapplers I will be having them a long time.  Looking forward to how they hold up to the rear locker on your truck.

Now I want gears or to lower my truck back to stock height


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Yea, regarding the locker and these tires.
They seem to have made the Grizzly locker growl more.
When pulling out onto a street, 90 degree turn, the locker remains engage hopping the rear tires. At this rate, I cannot see the tires lasting long at all.
Now, the Toyos never did that.
Could it be the difference between a 10 ply tire (Toyos) and these 8 ply load range D BFG's???
Or Perhaps tire pressure. I ran the Toyos at 55-60 psi. THe max pressure on these BFG's is 50 and I am at 46 as a start point. Could the lower pressure make for a bigger contact patch and the lower pressure just be putting more tire on the road?

I am having an occasional wobble in the steering wheel at 55-60 mph that smooths out. The mileage remains strong, and I definitely have enough power with those 4.56's chewin up KY roads.
The inside (drive) tire of a turn will always have the load, and the outside tire, with enough resistance, will disengage at the faster rate of speed and ratchet as you negotiate the turn. with the Toyos, you had more contact pattern and a smaller tire creating greater force on the outside tire allowing it to disengage quicker. if you start the turn, power under straight line, let off the gas then turn under coast, then apply power again, you might have a better time of it. I always thought you were getting off easy with the lack of complaints on the grizzly. brute strength and traction don't come free. I have a posi unit now for these things, but I feel it would wind up next to your hydraulic rams the way you operate;-)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on September 15, 2017, 06:24:29 PM
So what you're saying Tate is once again it boils down to operator error? :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2017, 10:09:02 PM
I'm very satisfied with the Grizzly
Even after the quart of grizzly grease that Ashley sent me! ;-))

The projector headlight assemblies came in today. So, off to the races trying to get them done with the light of day

So, packing was good!

But, no instructions in either box.

Instructions for a red and black wire. I figured those were ground and power for the halo rings, I was right.

I spliced the black halo wire into the black wire in the harness, and the red, power lead into the brown wire (Power) of the side marker lamps
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2017, 10:11:35 PM
Not going for a look here.

I have run through a bunch of LED and HID headlights which don't seem to make it much over six months.
Oncoming drivers are constantly flashing at me, but I require a long range, wide dispersal and bright light pattern to catch the things that go bump in the night before they actually start bumping
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2017, 10:12:49 PM
The supplied halogen bulbs were pitiful so right out of the gate, I swapped them out for a pair of 11,000 lumen LED H3 bulbs
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2017, 10:13:54 PM
The high beams are augmented by so many lights, they are not needed anyway, so the halogen yellow will stay around for a bit
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2017, 10:15:25 PM
The factory shiners were heavy and had wires, and ballasts and wasps nests all over the place. The new projector assemblies were mucho better.

Here I am modifying for the H3 style LED
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2017, 10:17:53 PM
The lighting choices from the cockpit are varied. I just noticed one of the Warn 350 floods are kaput!

And those chinaman HIDs I stuck on in the spring are now faded ans will not last much longer. Does anyone sell good stuff anymore?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 15, 2017, 10:19:40 PM
Think I'll order four H4 bulbs for the fogs, and chuck those chinaman long range lights for something better
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 15, 2017, 11:29:53 PM
I dont want to say this because they'll probably fail now....

I bought genuiune phillips HID from europe for the Dually and they have been flawless for nearly 4 years.  Of course they were more than 2 hondos
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: wyorunner on September 15, 2017, 11:35:28 PM
Chief,  I'm not sure if they make anything for chevys but check theretrofitsource.com. I ran a set of there stuff for years on my 4Runner. To the point our abuse of the rig caused it to fail after about 5 years. Called em up and asked about the fail and they said yea you have an early model, and your warranty just lapsed last year......but let's go ahead and get you a new set for something like 25% off. Great stuff really and amazing customer service. Sorry I'm just now thinking of this....


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 16, 2017, 01:29:21 PM
Chief,  I'm not sure if they make anything for chevys but check theretrofitsource.com. I ran a set of there stuff for years on my 4Runner. To the point our abuse of the rig caused it to fail after about 5 years. Called em up and asked about the fail and they said yea you have an early model, and your warranty just lapsed last year......but let's go ahead and get you a new set for something like 25% off. Great stuff really and amazing customer service. Sorry I'm just now thinking of this....


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OK, I'll take a look

But

Am I solving problems I don't have yet?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on September 16, 2017, 11:55:43 PM
That truck looks mucho better with 37s.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 17, 2017, 12:52:29 AM
So are you actually going to post a photo of the light output? Yes I know a camera alters the light in an image but find a dark street and take a photo of high beam, low beam, all lights you have on at once.    Also pull up to your garage door about twenty feet back and take a measurement of the beam cut off on low, How high is it from the ground ?

Post photo of view at garage door from inside cab please


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2017, 06:15:03 PM
So are you actually going to post a photo of the light output? Yes I know a camera alters the light in an image but find a dark street and take a photo of high beam, low beam, all lights you have on at once.    Also pull up to your garage door about twenty feet back and take a measurement of the beam cut off on low, How high is it from the ground ?

Post photo of view at garage door from inside cab please


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Something is all screwed up
I mean the light pattern is indescribable, and no part of it is good

I have multiple problems to solve. First the light pattern appears so far left and right of center that the area directly in front of the truck has no light at all.

The headlight assemblies showed up with simple halogen bulbs that were like flashlight size. I replaced them right away with some LED H3 bulbs. I used the ones with the loops of aluminum braid as heat sinks. The heat sinks are directly in line with an existing bulkhead (Read: Doesn't fit well)
When installing the headlight assemblies, those loops push the bulb over to a strange angle. I think that may be the problem, not sure.

Also the longish LED lamps looked to be too long to fit the projector housing and cane with a plastic sleeve which positioned the bulb about 3/4" from bottoming. I am not sure these should have remained, but I did install the bulbs with standoff installed.

So, I am pretty sure that the bulbs with the braided cooling sinks simply will not fit although I have run them in the past, albeit with a stock housing. So I'm thinking I start with purchasing some standard LED bulbs with the fan base and replace the bulbs first.

The truck is not driveable at night like it is.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 18, 2017, 07:38:20 AM
I am going to follow the other suggestion given or getwith the retrofit company or other and get some headlights built.   I have and love them!!


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 18, 2017, 08:28:53 AM
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High beam
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/9a182928dbf29fa0a6a2e7f59f7b77d1.jpg)

Hill low beam (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/eb6b4656a587d8cf5de7fedeea6c93b3.jpg)
High beam (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170918/45292427d72956238ed4629224960b24.jpg)


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 18, 2017, 08:34:12 AM
^^^ That's good

Its what I had when the LED bulbs worked in my stock housings.

When the plastic is starting to craze or cloud, it is breaking down. Sunlight does that, happens to aircraft plastics all the time. (They are exposed to more of the sunlight's energy at altitude than we get at the earth's surface)

So I think it is wise to replace them now as the rate of decay will only increase from here on.

Now, I have to figure out how to get "Fittable" LED bulbs in there

Like anything, seldom is the initial offering perfected...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 18, 2017, 10:04:15 AM
Call up retrofitcom


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: DOOLEY on September 18, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
HEY BIG D, I'M GLAD YOU TRIED BEST ONE TIRE, I TOLD YOU, YOU WOULD BE TREATED FAIR. THEY ARE SOME REAL GOOD GUYS THERE. PS, DID YOU CALL DIESEL INJECTION YET ABOUT SQUARE D?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 18, 2017, 02:58:28 PM
HEY BIG D, I'M GLAD YOU TRIED BEST ONE TIRE, I TOLD YOU, YOU WOULD BE TREATED FAIR. THEY ARE SOME REAL GOOD GUYS THERE. PS, DID YOU CALL DIESEL INJECTION YET ABOUT SQUARE D?
Negative ghost rider on the call

Best 1 tire: Great folks!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 20, 2017, 08:26:45 PM
So today was the maiden voyage for the new 37" BFG KM2's. They did quite nicely. I didn't spin once even though I towed that Army trailer with 300 gallons of water and 100 gallons of fuel back a muddy trail for about a half mile.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 20, 2017, 08:28:07 PM
The size rocks these tires pick up are a bit more substantial than what the toyos would collect
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 20, 2017, 08:30:24 PM
The truck didn't even slip a little bit climbing up this gravel covered slope. Honestly I expected to spin a bunch towing several thousand pounds of trailer. But I had the transfer in low range and it just crawled right up.

At big flex angles the tires are rubbing so I'll have to solve that little problem
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 20, 2017, 10:48:31 PM
Time for a bigger lift or a solid axle swap.  Better put a Cummins motor in while your at it.  Just a bit more than a oil change right?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bob Smith on September 20, 2017, 10:58:35 PM

Time for a bigger lift or a solid axle swap.  Better put a Cummins motor in while your at it.  Just a bit more than a oil change right?


Oh no, not both trucks stuck in the garage not running
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on September 20, 2017, 11:07:48 PM
I forgot to mention the rock collecting ability of those tires!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 20, 2017, 11:11:28 PM
Maybe we can take the unmentionable named vehicle and put a d max motor in it, swap the other in to C max and make the other run.   Cummins swap. Why?   D swap and more HP


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 21, 2017, 03:38:09 AM
There is a simple writeup in another forum to open the rear wells a few inches. Did it on mine for the 35's and it helped.

https://youtu.be/LPE5ZpIgXF0
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 21, 2017, 11:01:44 AM
Completed that one as well. Works


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 21, 2017, 11:05:50 AM
I used undercoating when I did mine.
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 22, 2017, 09:14:53 AM
Back to this Dmax swap in to the other truck.   Scrap the black one


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:04:10 AM
So for my next trick, here we go playing headlight bulbs again.

The long tail of the first set of H3 bulbs did not fit the structure found immediately behind the projector headlight assembly requiring the bulbs replacement.

These were sourced because of their short base and 8000 lumen output. Far from what I wanted regarding output, my hope is to just get something to fit and provide satisfactory light for these deer ridden KY backroads I am constantly on
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:04:57 AM
So once again, out with the grill and headlight assemblies
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
The bushy braided tail on the first set of bulbs was too big and would never fit the limited space I have to work with. THe newer Beamtec bulbs are much shorter
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:10:43 AM
Here is the new low beam shoehorned into its socket.

I do not like these H3 and H1 bulbs. They have a narrow base which is prone to wiggling about which allows for imprecise bulb positioning. I had to wrap a zip tie around the bulb collar and pull it taught to eliminate the wiggle. The factory Chevy H11 bulbs have no such nonsense going on.

So far I am singularly unimpressed with this chinese projector headlight junk I installed on my truck.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Here's the provided H1 high beam bulb and the LED replacement
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:12:08 AM
Both bulbs in
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:15:09 AM
These headlight assemblies rely on rubber boots to waterproof the units. I had to slice through the back to allow me to slip it over the cooling grid of the bulb. I should plan to buy some goldfish to place inside the headlight assemblies as they fill with water over time
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:20:20 AM
And...

These new bulbs were also too "Long" requiring me to clearance the inner fender structure to allow them to physically fit

I peened the metal aft about 3/4" then sprayed it over with undercoating

I am really not liking this setup at this point but I do have need to see at night

I can only wonder how long I will be able to live with this thing
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 22, 2017, 11:23:37 AM
Yea, I don't like that either...

And here we have it, done with 15 minutes to spare to get the pre-ranger off to a football game. We won again 28-20

So far 3-1 for the season and we won our preseason games as well

They are off from last year, completing a no loss season in 16. But they are getting it together and the pre-ranger is hitting hard out there!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: DDS on September 25, 2017, 07:35:46 AM
I have said this along with others. Do yourself a favor, dump the eBay headlights, get a fresh pair of OEM housings & buy the kit below. I've had these on my Canyon diesel for over 18 months now & they just plain work. 18 months doesn't sound like a long time to develop an opinion, but whey you're talking about an HID kit it is...

https://www.theretrofitsource.com/all-products/h11-morimoto-elite.html?carDisplay=2011+Chevrolet+Silverado&preselect=47309&preselect_restrict=1
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 25, 2017, 09:47:55 AM
I have said this along with others. Do yourself a favor, dump the eBay headlights, get a fresh pair of OEM housings & buy the kit below. I've had these on my Canyon diesel for over 18 months now & they just plain work. 18 months doesn't sound like a long time to develop an opinion, but whey you're talking about an HID kit it is...

https://www.theretrofitsource.com/all-products/h11-morimoto-elite.html?carDisplay=2011+Chevrolet+Silverado&preselect=47309&preselect_restrict=1

I just did exactly that

I am tired of installing junk in this truck. So, I ordered a set of OEM (Although black housings) headlight assemblies along with the retrofit H-11 bulb kit with all the do-dads including the anti flicker capacitor.
Hopefully this will settle this headlight issue once and for all!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 25, 2017, 11:37:34 PM
Thank you


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 26, 2017, 09:50:09 AM
Thank you


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I thought about recognizing you dave, as being the first to suggest the retrofit folks
Good job!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 26, 2017, 09:51:10 AM
Thinking about changing the name of this thread to "The headlight thread."
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 26, 2017, 11:04:19 AM
I don't believe I was the first.  I think the previous time before you had a group of people saying you needed to spend a little $ to get quality   


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 26, 2017, 04:02:42 PM
I don't believe I was the first.  I think the previous time before you had a group of people saying you needed to spend a little $ to get quality   


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Heck man, what's wrong with you?

I gave you credit points, like the gold star back in the second grade, like that

And you don't accept it

Watsa wrong wit U anyway? ;-)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on September 26, 2017, 04:27:31 PM
Well, he is DOT so points from the boss is like a black X on your back........ :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 26, 2017, 07:03:18 PM
Well, he is DOT so points from the boss is like a black X on your back........ :popcorn:

"Dad likes Dave better.......lets put a little fish guts under the seat of his truck!" 
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on September 26, 2017, 07:56:46 PM
I prefer a fresh killed woodchuck on the front passengers floor board with a block of wood under its chin so those beedy little eyes are staring right at you when you hop in the drivers seat.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 26, 2017, 08:53:10 PM
I prefer a live snake.....

Knew a guy once who worked oilfield for Weatherford (older gentlman who was retired when I met him)  He had some great stories about how he grew up in the country catching rattlesnakes.  When he went to work for Weatherford he would carry a cooler on the truck and toss the snakes he caught on rig sites in there.  Some of the things he did with those snakes was downright mean.  Put one is a guy's desk drawer in the office (dead) and once a guy asked what he had in the cooler he told him nothing.  Guy insisted that he had beer in the cooler and would't share so he told him "go ahead and open the cooler".  Needless to say the guy lost it when he opened the cooler.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 26, 2017, 09:55:59 PM
Don't be jealous because Dad likes me better than you bums. But that said I will not take credit for something I didn't do.   But check out the what's for dinner post and see what's cooking!!


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 26, 2017, 11:19:25 PM
Dave,  "daddy's favorites " usually get a blanket party....jus sayin


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on September 26, 2017, 11:26:09 PM
Dave,  "daddy's favorites " usually get a blanket party....jus sayin


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 :beercheers:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 27, 2017, 08:26:17 AM
Dave,  "daddy's favorites " usually get a blanket party....jus sayin


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Come on up son. We can handle it.  Just bring the red sled so I can see ya coming down the street


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 27, 2017, 08:34:18 AM
Love this movie....

https://youtu.be/FRAO21O8SYY
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 27, 2017, 10:04:18 AM



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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 27, 2017, 04:27:10 PM
This is my rifle, this is my gun......
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on September 27, 2017, 05:05:55 PM
"Easy, ya just don't lead 'em so much!"
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:37:52 PM
OK, Back to the headlight thread
Taking you people's advice I ordered two new OEM (Like) headlight assemblies and the Morimoto HID's that you all recommended

Another teardown. I did this one blind folded using a paperclip and a bandaid. I have become so familiar with the process I am now listed by GM as the world's SME on wasting money on headlight stuff on the 2011 HD Silverado!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:40:28 PM
I am getting so disappointed in the quality of just about everything including about half of vagrants who call themselves Americans.
One of the LED flood lights is holding back a rain forest, and one of the Chinaman HID long range lights started rusting inside and has a puddle of rusty water in the base...JUNK!
Good one shown for comparison.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:41:36 PM
Here are the new OEM headlight assemblies. I opted for a black interior surface to tone down all the chrome in the stockers
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:42:35 PM
And here is the retrofit folks Morimoto replacement HID parts. Loads of stuff right there
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:43:27 PM
I'm keeping the LED high beams since they have never failed and these are of recent vintage
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:44:10 PM
LED back to HID
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:45:41 PM
Quality of this stuff looks pretty good, but if this is chinaman junk, it will deteriorate quickly just like everything else they make does.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 27, 2017, 09:46:35 PM
Waiting for light update!  As requested before.  Long range dark road photo, twenty feet back from garage door or wall


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
So right off, I built up the new buckets with the new HID bulbs and the old LED high beam bulbs

I applied electrical tape in about the same locations as I found it on my stockers
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:48:51 PM
Waiting for light update!  As requested before.  Long range dark road photo, twenty feet back from garage door or wall


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Those projector lights didn't put out enough light to be detectable, and they are gone. New ones just installed, but not adjusted...hang with me...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:50:06 PM
Early fitment test. It's just like OEM. Man I like how factory stuff fits. THose Chinese projector lamps did not fit nearly as well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:52:27 PM
The wiring harness is pretty busy. I hid parts out from direct contact with the slipstream and places where splashing water might migrate from. THen I secured the harness best as I could to metal that isn't moving
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:53:37 PM
Both headlamp units installed
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:54:37 PM
While the grill was off, I went after that water holding tank and part time flood light replacing it with a larger unit
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 09:55:39 PM
THose went in quick enough

Then I turned on the headlights and this is what it looked like:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 10:00:58 PM
Yep, there's that superior quality for ya. Definitely worth all the extra money. Retrofit high quality headlights...

I am honestly so fed up with all this crap that has taken over our lives. It doesn't matter how much money you spend on something, It is likely to be made in China or by someone who doesn't give a crap and this is what we are rewarded with.

So, yea, I'm a bit PO'd.

I tore the darned thing out and when I was fussing with the bulb it made a crack sound like you get when starting an arc when welding and lit up. I replaced it, tested it again and it was out once again.

SO I tore it out and just repositioned the bulb a bit by twisting it, and checked every connection everywhere. When I turned the headlights on, it fired up
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 10:05:25 PM
I think I figured out that the DRL's running at a reduced voltage is what has played havoc on my LED and KID's over the years, so tonight I pulled the fuses. No more safety sam junk.

Ever notice how this safety stuff actually makes us less safe? My DRL's which go unnoticed sitting in a mammoth truck cause the headlights to burn out. Then I have to drive with one headlight through battalions of deer, opossum, raccoons, sasquatch, and heroin addicts out stealing catalytic converters.

Here are the tow fuses you need to pull. #28 and #30

I think removing them is a felony in commifornia so be careful!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on September 27, 2017, 10:07:09 PM
So are too many lights mounted on the truck.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 10:08:14 PM
I went for a test drive and holy crap, the lights were all over the place. Need adjustment bad. And there is some very strange "U" shaped shadow pointing off toward the ten o'clock position. This system throws out a lot of light, but not very much of it where I need it. It looks like another expensive goose chase but I'll hold my judgement until after I adjust them tomorrow.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 10:08:44 PM
So are to many lights mounted on the truck.
No
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 27, 2017, 10:13:22 PM
as much as I hate the light bar look, given your desire to drive down the back roads and light everyting up I would look a a rigid curved 50 inch lightbar
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2017, 10:16:59 PM
as much as I hate the light bar look, given your desire to drive down the back roads and light everyting up I would look a a rigid curved 50 inch lightbar
I have plenty of light Tex, when the stuff works.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 27, 2017, 11:55:18 PM
Waiting for light update!  As requested before.  Long range dark road photo, twenty feet back from garage door or wall


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Those projector lights didn't put out enough light to be detectable, and they are gone. New ones just installed, but not adjusted...hang with me...
I know the other set are gone.  I still want photos of the set you are making. 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 28, 2017, 12:00:11 AM
So finished reading. Your scattered light is a product of the incorrect light bulb in the open housing.  If you use high quality projectors with the "eye lid" that opens and shuts with your high low beam function. You will simply smooth out the "hot spots or flare" and allow the beam to shine smoothly.  Let me see if I can find some internet examples 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 28, 2017, 12:06:43 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/9f0eeb4d8cb2c46c3c2b2bdb19c3c87a.png)

The quality projector lens acts like a led flashlight. Where it focus the light evenly vs the hot spots

When high beam is used that solid cut off line is removed allowing for a full amount of light.   I have and will continue to preach the right light in correct housing will offer the best light.   But a quality HID kit is the better option than cheap Chinese junk. As you have found


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Mrwoody on September 28, 2017, 07:21:29 AM
Dave,
would you list the kits and supplier to achieve the result that you are showing Big D.   
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: DDS on September 28, 2017, 07:42:25 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/9f0eeb4d8cb2c46c3c2b2bdb19c3c87a.png)

The quality projector lens acts like a led flashlight. Where it focus the light evenly vs the hot spots

When high beam is used that solid cut off line is removed allowing for a full amount of light.   I have and will continue to preach the right light in correct housing will offer the best light.   But a quality HID kit is the better option than cheap Chinese junk. As you have found


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FWIW, my Morimoto kit is installed in a factory projector housing. This could be part of his problem.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on September 28, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
as much as I hate the light bar look, given your desire to drive down the back roads and light everyting up I would look a a rigid curved 50 inch lightbar

Ashley had this on his Chevy & he routinely drove 90 mph in deer infested back roads of Texas. That light bar was pretty impressive I must say....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 28, 2017, 09:58:50 AM
So finished reading. Your scattered light is a product of the incorrect light bulb in the open housing.  If you use high quality projectors with the "eye lid" that opens and shuts with your high low beam function. You will simply smooth out the "hot spots or flare" and allow the beam to shine smoothly.  Let me see if I can find some internet examples 


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I installed the recommended Retrofit HID Morimoto kit. That should have been fine I would think
I ordered new housings which I thought were OEM, however checking the Amazon order, they are ArtZone OEM quality Chinaman units:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UW09QJE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The low beam H11 bulbs have three tabs which do not precisely match up to the openings in the bulb socket (Quality issue??) And I do not get a positive stop when turning the bulb to "seat it"

That may explain why I have a line of light going off in a strange direction, I don't know.

I do have the reflector like pattern and not the crisp break in light pattern of the shown projector housing
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on September 28, 2017, 12:26:18 PM
The other forum has extensive threads about the pros and cons of Hid in reflector based housing and the errors with them. 

As for the housings you bought.  Unless they were purchased at GM they are usually not GM.  You will pay your youngest child for factory lights unless you sucker someone into giving you theres for what they think are better lights. 

Ultimately the best headlight options are when you take your lights apart, install a miramoto projector and the correct HID light bulb. Re assemble and install.  Retrofit source, Longshot lighting are the two bigger names I remember they will take your lights and build them for you but it is not cheap!   

The LED light bar has similar issues as the led bulbs.  Unless you buy the high end lights you are getting cheap components, poor quality electronics and subpar life. Baja designs makes some amazing light products and for dons application I think that might be the way to go.  Something that lights up the world when needed and he can use regular holigkn lights for neighborhood driving.   

Most of dons light should go off when on coming traffic is approaching anyway. So run a big roof light ( flat black your hood to reduce glare on your eyes) and call it a day


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: DDS on September 29, 2017, 07:28:02 AM
So finished reading. Your scattered light is a product of the incorrect light bulb in the open housing.  If you use high quality projectors with the "eye lid" that opens and shuts with your high low beam function. You will simply smooth out the "hot spots or flare" and allow the beam to shine smoothly.  Let me see if I can find some internet examples 


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I installed the recommended Retrofit HID Morimoto kit. That should have been fine I would think
I ordered new housings which I thought were OEM, however checking the Amazon order, they are ArtZone OEM quality Chinaman units:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UW09QJE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The low beam H11 bulbs have three tabs which do not precisely match up to the openings in the bulb socket (Quality issue??) And I do not get a positive stop when turning the bulb to "seat it"

That may explain why I have a line of light going off in a strange direction, I don't know.

I do have the reflector like pattern and not the crisp break in light pattern of the shown projector housing

I just looked at the black housing you bought prior to the OEM set & they appear to be a projector style housing. I'd try the Morimoto kit on that housing, do just one side & do a side by side comparison to see if the light is more focused. I apologize if I led you down the wrong path & cost you money, but I still stand by the Morimoto brand.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2017, 08:55:26 AM
So finished reading. Your scattered light is a product of the incorrect light bulb in the open housing.  If you use high quality projectors with the "eye lid" that opens and shuts with your high low beam function. You will simply smooth out the "hot spots or flare" and allow the beam to shine smoothly.  Let me see if I can find some internet examples 


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I installed the recommended Retrofit HID Morimoto kit. That should have been fine I would think
I ordered new housings which I thought were OEM, however checking the Amazon order, they are ArtZone OEM quality Chinaman units:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UW09QJE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The low beam H11 bulbs have three tabs which do not precisely match up to the openings in the bulb socket (Quality issue??) And I do not get a positive stop when turning the bulb to "seat it"

That may explain why I have a line of light going off in a strange direction, I don't know.

I do have the reflector like pattern and not the crisp break in light pattern of the shown projector housing

I just looked at the black housing you bought prior to the OEM set & they appear to be a projector style housing. I'd try the Morimoto kit on that housing, do just one side & do a side by side comparison to see if the light is more focused. I apologize if I led you down the wrong path & cost you money, but I still stand by the Morimoto brand.
Hey, don't worry about it
You were only trying to help
As for the current situation, I adjusted these new housings down to their lowest position and I started to see a coordinated/useable pattern, although it has hot spots and washes out areas. I brought the light up in increments and have something which I think I can use. Now the high beam lights are actually visible and not just filling in the area of the broadcast light. I'll give it a night of way back roads driving tonight/tomorrow and see how it is working out. I'd like to just be done with this.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: DDS on October 05, 2017, 06:42:03 AM
So finished reading. Your scattered light is a product of the incorrect light bulb in the open housing.  If you use high quality projectors with the "eye lid" that opens and shuts with your high low beam function. You will simply smooth out the "hot spots or flare" and allow the beam to shine smoothly.  Let me see if I can find some internet examples 


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I installed the recommended Retrofit HID Morimoto kit. That should have been fine I would think
I ordered new housings which I thought were OEM, however checking the Amazon order, they are ArtZone OEM quality Chinaman units:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UW09QJE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The low beam H11 bulbs have three tabs which do not precisely match up to the openings in the bulb socket (Quality issue??) And I do not get a positive stop when turning the bulb to "seat it"

That may explain why I have a line of light going off in a strange direction, I don't know.

I do have the reflector like pattern and not the crisp break in light pattern of the shown projector housing

I just looked at the black housing you bought prior to the OEM set & they appear to be a projector style housing. I'd try the Morimoto kit on that housing, do just one side & do a side by side comparison to see if the light is more focused. I apologize if I led you down the wrong path & cost you money, but I still stand by the Morimoto brand.
Hey, don't worry about it
You were only trying to help
As for the current situation, I adjusted these new housings down to their lowest position and I started to see a coordinated/useable pattern, although it has hot spots and washes out areas. I brought the light up in increments and have something which I think I can use. Now the high beam lights are actually visible and not just filling in the area of the broadcast light. I'll give it a night of way back roads driving tonight/tomorrow and see how it is working out. I'd like to just be done with this.

Update?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2017, 09:34:23 AM
Sure,

Strange as it may seem, they are working. I adjusted them all the way down then brought them up bit by bit. Yes, they do have some hot spots and a strange "Eyebrow" however they are illuminating a lot of the road, and unlike my use of the LED's not one opposing driver has flashed his lights at me yet. I note that I cannot see the faces of those drivers until they are right on top of me, so although not perfect, I have workable light.

And I really just want to be done with headlights for awhile.

The other thing is, the left headlight appears to be working so far. That is not saying how long it may last, but for now it has worked.

On another note the BFG tires are working out as well.

They do have a bit of a vibration, but considering they are 37" tall, I was not expecting a Z06 kind of ride. Cornering is still good and towing medium weight trailers which I have now done 4-5 times is normal.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 07, 2017, 10:30:33 PM
So, I got some country back-roads driving with the new HIDs.

I have to say, they are more than adequate. They still have a couple hotspots, however the light is distributed more to the right away from drivers eyeballs. No one has flashed me yet and I can get along quite nicely on these 55W HIDs. I think I'll close the book on this mod for now.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 08, 2017, 12:28:06 AM
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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Armalite on October 12, 2017, 04:46:54 PM
Hope you find an answer Don...

After months of fighting my HID lights and all the other junk I kept trying, I must say the smartest thing I did was go back to factory oem lights, oem assembly, and spend $600 or more on a Rigid 30" light bar that mounted directly to my front bumper.  It's been almost 5 years now, and I still have and use that light bar.  Never missed a beat... 
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 12, 2017, 11:09:07 PM
Hope you find an answer Don...

After months of fighting my HID lights and all the other junk I kept trying, I must say the smartest thing I did was go back to factory oem lights, oem assembly, and spend $600 or more on a Rigid 30" light bar that mounted directly to my front bumper.  It's been almost 5 years now, and I still have and use that light bar.  Never missed a beat... 
Hey Ash!

The HIDs are performing well, having recovered from that bumpy start. I contacted Retrofit and we decided to just monitor the thig. If it acts up down the road, they agreed to send me a new set.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 12, 2017, 11:19:16 PM
OK, getting ready to step off into the next C-Max project

Getting all new tuning for the engine and for the transmission.

I'll be using Motorops, a Ontario based company. I was chatting with Cameron today and luckily he has about the same truck as I do.

I'll start off with the Autocal and 5 position LPS switch with a host of tunes along with the proper transmission recalibration.

The plan is to install a CP3 high pressure pump, then bolt on a compound turbo setup. Something like a S-475 or S-480 over the stocker. Idea here is to lower the EGTs and pick up a little bit of power.

Carmen did that to his truck and was putting 640HP to the ground and drove that for a year on the stock transmission! He replaced his converter with a triple disc billet unit and it was holding fine at over 700HP at the rear wheels. I am not sure if he has since then replaced the Allison with a built unit, but for what I want to do (No racing or horsing around) I'll run the stock trans for a time then upgrade the converter and call it a day.

Initially I'll go with the tuning and run that for a time. Next, I'll install the CP3 and drive that for awhile again, just to sort through any perspective issues, THen I'll go for the compound turbo setup and upgrade the tune on that. I'll finish with the trans converter probably next summer some time.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 12, 2017, 11:20:35 PM
And that means I will have a H&S tuner available with fully deleted tunes. I'll put that sucker up for sale right after installing the Autocal tunes.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on October 13, 2017, 12:18:59 AM
Another oil change...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on October 13, 2017, 09:58:28 AM
Poor SQ D......... he must really dislike that old girl :tongue:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on October 13, 2017, 10:39:25 AM
Well YIKES!
Another oil change...
And I won't mention the green,dust covered, unmentionable...

Oh I guess I just did as well.
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on October 13, 2017, 10:54:02 AM
Squirrel !!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 13, 2017, 12:16:40 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on October 13, 2017, 12:52:41 PM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2017, 05:00:56 PM
Talking to MotorOps about what I need. Tried twice to order the parts today, but it seems syncing up my free moment and the guy up there was a bigger wall to climb than I had the boots for. Maybe Monday...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:29:17 PM
Had to change the oil in the D-Max again today. Went with the Mobil synthetic 5W-40 product and a Wix filter this time
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:30:47 PM
Then I took better notice of that S&B air filter. THe restriction gage thing showed it was clogged. THe motor has not gotten any air for months now!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:31:44 PM
Yep, it's dirty all right!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:32:28 PM
But it was doing its job!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:33:25 PM
I cleaned that all up with the purple stuff with some soak time then some mild pressure warm water rinse.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:34:39 PM
I gave it a spritz of the K&N MAF clogging solution and reinstalled it
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:35:53 PM
Its been what, five or six days since I had the grill out, so I thought I'd pull it again just for more practice!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:39:44 PM
While I had it off, I thought, heck, since I just pulled this thing apart, well, why not install some new chinese spot lights to replace the worn out ones which are 10 months old!
With chinaman stuff, you need to keep your expectations low and you will still likely be disappointed!

Anyway since those HIDs were already rusting (Plastic housings???) I opted for some newer junk. THis iteration will feature these weird looking things which I saw and took the bait and hit the one button order on the amazon prime thievery site.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:40:35 PM
And unlike the expensive morimoto HIDs these pieces of junk fired right up!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:42:09 PM
At this early point, these lights have me fooled. They were heavier (Metal housings) and the mounts were very robust. THe plastic covers were pretty stout and lock in these slots in the sides. So far, so good!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:43:10 PM
One screw each side to pivot, and the smaller one to lock in the desired angle. Definite improvement here!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 16, 2017, 07:44:11 PM
And the poser shot!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on October 16, 2017, 09:35:55 PM
With expectations that low you're bound to be happy.
I did some lighting as well.
But nothing new. Just burnt out chinaman junk. (Circa 2009!)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on October 16, 2017, 11:19:41 PM
One screw each side to pivot, and the smaller one to lock in the desired angle. Definite improvement here!
Those mounts look similar to the Opt7 led lights I have. I’ve had pretty darn good luck with that brand.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 17, 2017, 12:37:52 AM
How those tires doing? Sure look good on there.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2017, 09:02:29 AM
How those tires doing? Sure look good on there.
They work pretty well. I have a balance issue from 55-67 mph but with larger tires one has to learn to live with some things. They are grippy and I notice the locker wanting to engage and scrub them more than with the 35" Toyos. That will mean a reduced lifespan for any tires working on the rear, but that just points to more rotations.
My mileage has gone down, but after the discovery yesterday of a clogged air filter, I can't say the larger tires are all at fault. Whereas before I'd see a lot of 17.3's, I ow see a lot of 15.3's. But I have been running around quite a bit in trailer mode, using more RPM, so that undoubtedly is the major chunk of the decrease.
All in all, I like them.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on October 17, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
I'd be interested to see a mean avg w/out towing after the air filter cleanout. With the added height you should see reduced rpms at hwy speeds with that gearing. Sounds like you're running low on Grizzly Grease, should we reach out to Ash?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 17, 2017, 06:08:43 PM
I'd be interested to see a mean avg w/out towing after the air filter cleanout. With the added height you should see reduced rpms at hwy speeds with that gearing. Sounds like you're running low on Grizzly Grease, should we reach out to Ash?
I've used that Grizzly grease on everything!

Had to drive all over creation today. First to a funeral, then to lunch with family members, then running errands. I was driving at 85 mph and with that and the idling in town, and after filter cleaning, I saw a .2 MPG inrease from 15.3 to 15.5 mpg. That just may have back up to 17's driving at normal speeds
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 17, 2017, 10:37:57 PM
I aired up my tires from the 35 psi to 55 and got .1 better per the computer


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2017, 11:53:53 AM
I thought I'd get some baseline numbers with the new 37" tires, cleaned air filter, and old H&S tune.

First pic is half way through the trip to/from the farm. Speeds vary from a high fo 60 to a low around 35. I'd call the average between 45-50 mph.

The new tunes will arrive early in the week which will be the jump off point for the next round of changes for this truck.
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 22, 2017, 06:55:55 PM
What charger set up did you go with? 
Also why is your tire light on,   Didn’t you build a pvc tube and toss your sensors in that ?

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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: dave945 on October 22, 2017, 07:52:29 PM
I though that was why his mpg was low, his tire sensor said he should be getting worse gas mileage and viola!!!  ;)


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2017, 10:43:37 PM
What charger set up did you go with? 
Also why is your tire light on,   Didn’t you build a pvc tube and toss your sensors in that ?

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No charger yet, but a S-4XX over the stocker is probably where I'll land.

I got a bit skittish about inflating the PVC tube holding the tire sensors, so I just get used to the dash light and messages
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 22, 2017, 10:45:22 PM
I though that was why his mpg was low, his tire sensor said he should be getting worse gas mileage and viola!!!  ;)


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Speakin' of mileage, with this new tune which is in the mail somewhere, I hear I'll be seein' well over 50MPG!

Maybe I'm thinkin' about my Triumph...?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 23, 2017, 06:09:47 AM
If you can find a friendly , I think a tech II can disable the system


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 23, 2017, 09:33:54 AM
If you can find a friendly , I think a tech II can disable the system


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Good to know. I thought disabling a "Safety system" was impossible.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bear9350 on October 23, 2017, 09:40:52 AM
I believe you can have the lower limit changed.  So instead of getting a warning below 65 psi it is set to 45 or something.  I'm not 100% though, it has been a while.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on October 23, 2017, 02:10:43 PM
I don't think you can disable it, but you can change ther perameters. If it was in the pcm, you could tune it out, but it's in the BCM ....settings can only be changed.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:35:55 PM
So the folks from Motor Ops shipped me everything I need to tune with EFI Live

Included are five tunes already. Steve explained that the performance tune is above the transmission limit, however one of their guys ran that tune in an almost stock trans for a year and a half. He changed out the converter to a quality triple disc unit, so I'll do the same thing.

Looking at the sun coast and the Goerend units at the moment. Think I'll order one up in a week or so and have a trans shop throw it in there to protect the Ally until a full tilt unit arrives.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
I picked up the DSP-5 selector switch as well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:38:29 PM
First up was the teardown. I installed the Hypertech speedo calibration unit some years ago, so that was the first thing to come out
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:40:25 PM
I kept looking and looking for a good spot to mount the switch and finally threw in the towel and decided to make my own mount up. The switch will reside right on top of the dash, overlooking the instrument cluster. To do that, I cut and bent up a mount from aluminum.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:42:37 PM
Its odd shape is necessary to fit the contours of the bulge above the instrument cluster, which I had to take out.

To tidy up the installation, I installed some thread-serts in the 10 X 24 sizing
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:44:24 PM
Then I spent a little time covering the fixture with black vinyl which approximately matches the factory dash

Over the vinyl, I glued on the switch face
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:45:05 PM
And added the DSP-5 switch
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:46:20 PM
Then screwed that down, first routing the wires directly through the dash down and back where I will secure them up and out of the way
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 25, 2017, 07:47:33 PM
Tomorrow, I'll reassemble this mess, and run those wires over to where I will tap into the ECM harness
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on October 25, 2017, 11:18:10 PM
Hmm... that's kind of an odd place for that, Don. Most people put it to the left or right of the steering column under the instrument panel.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: wyorunner on October 26, 2017, 12:01:21 AM
What he said ^^^^ We had ours tucked away on the left side of the wheel a little lower than the column housing plastic. Was in a neat and orderly location.

However I am not a pilot and am not used to switches and buttons and dials in every which location... so on top makes sense  in that regard!

So what was the reasoning to go with motor ops? Dealt with em before? Friend sent ya? Just wanted to try something new? Best deal?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on October 26, 2017, 12:32:46 AM
So what was the reasoning to go with motor ops? Dealt with em before? Friend sent ya? Just wanted to try something new? Best deal?

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My money is on that it makes the most power & is the fastest way to tear something up & create more carnage....... :popcorn: or he’s tired of getting stuck in mulch beds and thinks this will help!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 26, 2017, 01:24:57 AM
I put mine in one of the 12v plugs. Had 2 and it works great.

If you are pulling the tranny for a TC, just do it all! Probably cheaper in the long run.

JMHO,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:20:44 PM
Well, the switch is there, permanent like

I routed the wires appropriately and used a wire tie to keep the cable free of entanglement with the instrument cluster
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
Getting to the ECM wiring harness(s) is not too difficult. You have to remove all three connectors to gain the necessary room to maneuver the aft or gray connector out of the morass of wires to gain access
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:23:35 PM
Here are the three connectors, Black, then Blue, then gray from front to back
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:24:23 PM
First the black cover is pried off the connector
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:25:24 PM
Then you VERY CAREFULLY have t pry off the gray cover which helps hold all the pins in proper position
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:26:36 PM
Next I covered the wires with some convoluted loom covering
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:28:54 PM
Then I had to remove two wires and pins and replace them with the DSP5 wires. The yellow pin is inserted into the #11 spot and the black wire into the #48 spot.
Then you simply reassemble everything and put it all back together
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:40:02 PM
The first big test is to see if the engine will start. I tried to do that and discovered I had dead batteries.
I guess some light or something must have been left on , don't know.

But I do know that I have a decent battery charger and it is sitting down at the farm!

So with no juice in the batteries and no way of charging them, I did what any guy would do the end of October, I mowed my lawn

When the Frau got home, I had her shuttle me over to the autozone where I scored a 75 Amp unit on sale for $84
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 26, 2017, 09:44:30 PM
And as of go nighty time, the truck was still charging.
If all goes well in the morning, and it starts, first I'll restore the stock tune and backfill the hot tune back into the H&S unit.

Next I'll load the EFI Live engine and transmission tunes

Then it will be test drive time. Hopefully that test drive is not over to Costco to pick up a new set of Interstates!

So question 1: About how long are these factory Delco batteries lasting people out there?

And #2: How much is that Hypertech module with three delete tunes inside worth resale?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on October 26, 2017, 09:53:07 PM
My answer to question one is likely different than most, due to -40.

The first time it needs a boost is a freebie. Second time is new battery.

I've seen 5-7 years out of the delcos I've started with.
5 in my truck, 5 in HH6's car, and 7 and counting in the kiddos car.

It also depends on how many times they've been stone dead. (Sub 6-8 volts)
A good battery will only fall on its face three times give or take.
A poor one may not recover as many times.
If it runs completely down to 1-2 volts even a good one may not recover.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 26, 2017, 10:25:13 PM
I agree with Sam. My first set lasted about 5 years. Went to costcos then (interstate) and now on the 3rd set. All under warranty they seem to last about 3 years.

The speedo should fetch about $50.

I would say the tunes are good for $200 if someone can load them. They get locked to a truck sometime.

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on October 27, 2017, 12:49:57 AM
5-6 years on the Delcos is good Don. I've heard Interstate's aren't as good as they used to be. Or maybe that was Optima. I recommend Exide AGM. Made in USA.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on October 27, 2017, 07:46:56 AM
I put an Exide AGM in my 89 Chevy a couple years ago and am pleased as punch with it.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2017, 09:43:17 AM
My answer to question one is likely different than most, due to -40.

The first time it needs a boost is a freebie. Second time is new battery.

I've seen 5-7 years out of the delcos I've started with.
5 in my truck, 5 in HH6's car, and 7 and counting in the kiddos car.

It also depends on how many times they've been stone dead. (Sub 6-8 volts)
A good battery will only fall on its face three times give or take.
A poor one may not recover as many times.
If it runs completely down to 1-2 volts even a good one may not recover.

Mine got down to 11.6 (wired as a system, not tested individually)

Note: part of what kills batteries is plaque buildup on the lead plates. The amount of plaque is directly proportional to swings or dips in voltage. Like you refer to Sam, big swings can make a lot because of the chemical reaction taking place in the solution. Keeping a battery topped up constantly, like with a trickle charger, reduces the differences between the peaks (fully charged) and valleys (most discharged)
I have kept a five watt, then an eight watt solar cell on the dash and plugged into the power outlet for years. I was wanting to see if the constant trickle charge extended the life of the batteries.
My truck is a 2011. Built in May or June, and sold in October. I make that six years and four months of in-service life so far. Frankly, as a part of this "Survival vehicle" concept I was interested to see if I could get 10 years out of these batteries.
The charger has been on the batts all night, so the first/subsequent starts will be the test to determine if I continue (going into a winter) of replace with new.
More coming...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on October 27, 2017, 09:48:00 AM
Yes sulphation is the death of the battery.
The trickle should help, and I do know of folks getting to the 10 year point.

My first bank of batteries took a beating, and are in the back of my truck due for replacement.
They were new in 2012, fall time, so they made five years. I'm hoping with double capacity, and the large solar array the next set does better. But five years is not bad either on off grid setups IMO.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2017, 09:51:56 AM
I agree with Sam. My first set lasted about 5 years. Went to costcos then (interstate) and now on the 3rd set. All under warranty they seem to last about 3 years.

The speedo should fetch about $50.

I would say the tunes are good for $200 if someone can load them. They get locked to a truck sometime.


OK then, the speedo is free to any member who wants it
But
You must tithe the amount you would have paid $50 give or take to someone in need or put it into the offering at your church

As for the H&S, since it has the full delete tunes, it used to be worth a lot, like north of $500. I may try and sell that, or go the freebie route.
What say you knuckleheads?
Oh or I could sell it and put the casola in the Christmas fund here at RMTWS for this year's benefactor.
(I love the way we gift people without them knowing who gave to them!!!!!! Probably my favorite thing we do here)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 27, 2017, 09:54:28 AM
Yes sulphation is the death of the battery.
The trickle should help, and I do know of folks getting to the 10 year point.

My first bank of batteries took a beating, and are in the back of my truck due for replacement.
They were new in 2012, fall time, so they made five years. I'm hoping with double capacity, and the large solar array the next set does better. But five years is not bad either on off grid setups IMO.
I wonder if there is a way to really extend battery life.
Like in the movies
Where humans fighting terminators a hundred years from now find a hangar full of fresh Harriers and just crank em' and go chop up metal men!
Batteries like that...Possible?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 27, 2017, 11:02:55 AM
Lithium
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on October 27, 2017, 11:10:03 AM
Ive been trying to research that very thing.
Well reviving dead ones anyhow.

There are some that claim some sketchy techniques work.
I had hoped to try them on this set from the cabin, but frankly I'm a little nervous of putting 120 pulsing DC to a six volt battery.

I will have another dead battery to try it on, but the cabin wasn't the time or place to experiment just yet.

Lithium batteries definitely hold charge better.
They do still suffer the cycling issues that lead acid do as well.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on October 27, 2017, 11:54:02 AM
One of the delcos in my '12 went bad in 11 months, I replaced with Dekas, they failed in 2 years, then failed again last week. They were AGM (and under full replacement warranty), but now I have standard batteries. I never approved of AGMs in a vehicle, but I couldn't beat the price at the time. Yes, I'm on my 4th set of batteries in 5 years. lol

Out here it's typical to get anywhere from 1-5 years out of a battery, with an average of 3 from a decent brand.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on October 27, 2017, 01:05:44 PM
Excess heat likely playing into the quick failures there Ken.
Another battery enemy.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on October 27, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
The passenger side battery in our Duramaxes is also prone to premature failure due to the proximity to the passenger side exhaust manifold. It then takes its toll on the driver side by trying to recharge itself from the good battery.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on October 27, 2017, 03:00:28 PM
Excess heat likely playing into the quick failures there Ken.
Another battery enemy.
Exactly. The worst ones I've seen are the ones from wally world... seen a bunch top out around 9 months
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 27, 2017, 04:49:34 PM
I made 4 years before mine failed on the oem delcos


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: wyorunner on October 27, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
Somewhere along the lines of life, a man I respect and has taught me much said he has always seen the longest life out of the napa brand batteries. Obviously they are probably a re-badge of someone else, but wife and I have run napa batteries in a slew of different vehicles with what I perceive as success including in the AZ heat, but mines not like Kens. They've all made it as long as we've owned the vehicles after replacement. I will say, our 4Runner ran a yellow top (because I don't know why) with strange success for about 6 years and is still operating our gate after having been replaced by a napa battery. It's easily 9 years old. And has seen everything from hard hits, excessive rattles at 50 mph daily (dirt "road" to the house), and two years in a black box on the ground operating the gate with a crappy charge controller. For whatever all that's worth....


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on October 28, 2017, 09:45:31 AM
Napa is made by interstate but maybe you knew that.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:51:08 AM
Ive been trying to research that very thing.
Well reviving dead ones anyhow.

There are some that claim some sketchy techniques work.
I had hoped to try them on this set from the cabin, but frankly I'm a little nervous of putting 120 pulsing DC to a six volt battery.

I will have another dead battery to try it on, but the cabin wasn't the time or place to experiment just yet.

Lithium batteries definitely hold charge better.
They do still suffer the cycling issues that lead acid do as well.
I think I mentioned my friend who uses Air Force developed technology to "Shake" the plaque off the plates of aircraft batteries and even some big fork lift batteries. They are able to bring them back to life through the cleaning process, and fresh chemicals. The process takes time, is still expensive and therefore suitable only to aircraft batteries which cost as much as $5K each.

He and I have talked about hooking me up with some forklift batts to power up the hide, but have not gone forward with anything as of yet. It's drawing board kind of stuff at this point.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on October 28, 2017, 02:34:58 PM
We were having forklift batteries refurbished 5-7 years ago. Unless this new method is somehow completely different & I doubt it is much different as you stated the same thing our “guy” used too then I would advise against wasting your money on those refurbished fork lift batteries. We never had one last much over 3-6 months.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:19:17 PM
We were having forklift batteries refurbished 5-7 years ago. Unless this new method is somehow completely different & I doubt it is much different as you stated the same thing our “guy” used too then I would advise against wasting your money on those refurbished fork lift batteries. We never had one last much over 3-6 months.....
I don't know enough about it to comment intelligently.
I do know they are using a machine developed by big blue that uses ultrasonics as the primary means of separating the chaff from the wheat.
Like I said, all that is just in the what-if stage
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:25:34 PM
So today I completed the installation of the switch and EFILive tunes

The guys at Motor Ops in Ontario, Canada are top notch in my opinion. I dealt with Tristin, Steve, and Camron. Cam worked with me first, opening the door to the purchase by completely answering my questions, Then Steve, who I believe is the owner??? Not completely sure about that, and Tristin spent perhaps 30 to 45 minutes on the phone with me as we worked through installation difficulties I was having. Finally Cameron, took the ball in for the touchdown, providing a teaching session on the EFI Live software and the Autocal installer module. Additionally, I have an inbox full of replies to questions I had asked, which he answered after their normal business hours.
Kudos to all of them on the support!

So in goes the engine tune, which was followed by the transmission tune
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:26:31 PM
Then this happened:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:31:42 PM
I could have figured that out quickly, but the software and the Autocal was all new to me, so I had to learn what I was doing before proceeding to fix what was causing this problem.

It turned out to be pins which I mistakenly placed into the wrong holes in the grey cable connector.

I would suggest watching a vid or three on the web before going after installation of the DSP-5 pins as with all that is going on with that connector it is rather easy to make a mistake.

When I first did it, I really was just trying to count slots and try to determine the pin locations. However after watching some vids, and realizing I switched the connector upside down in my mind, the repair was easy and made complete sense

After making the repair, I cleared the DTC (Check engine light) and the engine ran perfectly
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:32:58 PM
Now, fishing that gray connector to where you can actually work on it requires some real gymnastics!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
All buttoned up and things were actually better than normal (before)

The engine has a bit of a throatier idle, Correct me if I am wrong, but I wasn't getting any of that awful hiss sound that was so prevalent before
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:35:37 PM
I took lots of notes and even drew illustrations to aid the correct assembly, and by-golly, it all helped
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:37:09 PM
Before the test drive I noticed this oil spot and traced it to a loose oil filter adapter for the Amsoil dual/bypass filter setup I am using
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:50:22 PM
As for the tune, WOW is the one explicative I would use.

The transmission reprogramming alone is well worth it. My truck is no longer either sloppy, or have that feeling of always sliding between gears. Not it firmly moves from gear to gear and at quite different points. It will stay in first longer than before, but upshift to forth sooner.

The engine in position #1 was definitely more stockish and perfectly acceptable for driving around. On tow tune #1 "What just Happened??!!" That truck was alive, and this was the heavy/base tow tune. By the time I switched to the second tow tune, switch position #3, that truck was out performing the H&S tuner with their +150 HP hot tune. No freakin way the truck should be so strong in a tow tune. Just grenades the tires with the TC disabled.

I switched it to position #4 and for the first time saw my boost gage above 35! That tune is way faster than I have ever experienced. For me, borderline dangerous. It is stunning how fast that heavy truck got, and with everything it was doing I stopped right there. I know the transmission has never had to deal with that kind of power, so as of now, I have not switched to the #5 performance tune.

Tell you what, you wouldn't want to just take off and drive with the thing in #5 position (or #4) and hit the throttle without knowing what to expect. The numbers on the speedo just flash by like you're in a SS camaro or something.

I am very happy with this level of performance, and if I do add the CP3 pump it will just be to have all the fuel the injuctors need. If I build the transmission, it will be just to try and reliably hold all that power. If I do the compound turbo setup, that will be only to reduce EGT's, because for a SHTF get away truck, this thing is like the cuda in movie "Vanishing point" Circa 1970.

One issue remains, My speedometer is reading about 10MPH faster than the GPS and my calibrated Mark-1 eyeballs tell me, so we will have to tune that straight. That will be another opportunity to dive in this system and learn some more, and get to work with the Motor Ops guys some more.

Motor-Ops: Great job
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 28, 2017, 09:51:48 PM
Which leaves this thing, the H&S tuner with the DEF delete tunes for sale, of for donation, or if nothing else, to be used for a target on the range!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on October 29, 2017, 12:04:02 AM
I have the EFI with the DSP5 and never been overwelmed with the tunes, done by Idaho Rob. No tranny tune as they wern't avail then.

I have also never been able to load the tunes with just the autocal. Always had to use the PC in line, kinda a pain but it worked.

Need to work out the autocal tune issue and look at a tranny tune. was I pricey?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Dawg25385 on October 29, 2017, 12:35:26 AM
It’s amazing how the dmax comes alive with some good tuning... with power like you’re describing on 37’s you’re going to prob be looking at some Allison upgrades soon me thinks


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 29, 2017, 10:29:26 AM
I suggest go full bore on a trans build, I tried EFI live and made a year before my trans started hitting limp mode on free way on ramps

I have the gorearend torque converter and from my knowledge it works ok, no experts in it,    EFI live is amazing and I imagine with your gearing on your truck you have a whole different level of move unlike me and JR, big tires slow things down but you get the torque and the HP to change all of those. 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2017, 02:41:56 PM
I suggest go full bore on a trans build, I tried EFI live and made a year before my trans started hitting limp mode on free way on ramps

I have the gorearend torque converter and from my knowledge it works ok, no experts in it,    EFI live is amazing and I imagine with your gearing on your truck you have a whole different level of move unlike me and JR, big tires slow things down but you get the torque and the HP to change all of those. 


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I can't speak for others, but the truck feels a lot stronger. Simply a dramatic change from before and I am not in the most aggressive tune yet.
The 37's did affect the performance some, but this was never intended to be a performance truck, just have the power to "make a get-away" in hard times with significant GWT tugging at performance. The truck feels lighter to be sure, and the trans tuning is pretty well done to compliment the new power and smoothness.
Get the speedo thing corrected and I'll be plenty happy with it.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2017, 02:43:55 PM
It’s amazing how the dmax comes alive with some good tuning... with power like you’re describing on 37’s you’re going to prob be looking at some Allison upgrades soon me thinks


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Well the mitigation procedure will likely to stick in the torque converter now, then get another year out of the trans, then stick that in as well.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 29, 2017, 04:47:40 PM
I suggest go full bore on a trans build, I tried EFI live and made a year before my trans started hitting limp mode on free way on ramps

I have the gorearend torque converter and from my knowledge it works ok, no experts in it,    EFI live is amazing and I imagine with your gearing on your truck you have a whole different level of move unlike me and JR, big tires slow things down but you get the torque and the HP to change all of those. 


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I can't speak for others, but the truck feels a lot stronger. Simply a dramatic change from before and I am not in the most aggressive tune yet.
The 37's did affect the performance some, but this was never intended to be a performance truck, just have the power to "make a get-away" in hard times with significant GWT tugging at performance. The truck feels lighter to be sure, and the trans tuning is pretty well done to compliment the new power and smoothness.
Get the speedo thing corrected and I'll be plenty happy with it.
While it feels more torque and power to your seat I can assure you that the power added will chew up that trans, race truck or not Don a torque converter won’t save it.  Those BA tires and added truck weight are a recipe for problems


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on October 29, 2017, 08:31:49 PM
I suggest go full bore on a trans build, I tried EFI live and made a year before my trans started hitting limp mode on free way on ramps

I have the gorearend torque converter and from my knowledge it works ok, no experts in it,    EFI live is amazing and I imagine with your gearing on your truck you have a whole different level of move unlike me and JR, big tires slow things down but you get the torque and the HP to change all of those. 


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I can't speak for others, but the truck feels a lot stronger. Simply a dramatic change from before and I am not in the most aggressive tune yet.
The 37's did affect the performance some, but this was never intended to be a performance truck, just have the power to "make a get-away" in hard times with significant GWT tugging at performance. The truck feels lighter to be sure, and the trans tuning is pretty well done to compliment the new power and smoothness.
Get the speedo thing corrected and I'll be plenty happy with it.
While it feels more torque and power to your seat I can assure you that the power added will chew up that trans, race truck or not Don a torque converter won’t save it.  Those BA tires and added truck weight are a recipe for problems


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I'm sure that all this will conspire to ruin that perfect transmission I have right now.
But I drive very conservatively and not all that much really, 12K-15K a year tops and likely less.
I might stand on it once a month and never for more than a few seconds. My EGT's are always 700's-800's. I just dont drive hard at all. I almost never stood on the throttle with the old tune. I was surprised when I saw 30 psi once in all the years I owned it. Now during testing this new tune I have seen north of 30 several times.
I don't have any on ramps that I throttle hard on, no truck pulls, and I tow 7K or less usually
Cameron who added this tune, a CP3 and compounds ran the stock trans for a year just by adding the TC (Which is the weak link). He pulled the trans and rebuilt to a high standard without the thing failing. He did say the clutches were burned, but it was still running.
As for the larger tires, If I were running the 3.73 gears there would be a lot more strain on the transmission than with the 4.56's I have. The lower gears alone take a lot of the load off the trans as it doesn't have to push as hard to achieve movement as a stock gear/tall tire combo would.
I am sometimes wrong, but I think the trans will last for awhile. I'll replace it in time, but no need throwing good money after something which is not currently a problem.

On another note, the batteries seem to have recovered completely. It was cold today and I saw no problems during a slew of starts I made today. No Excides just yet!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on October 29, 2017, 09:23:09 PM
I kind of agree with you chief.
All depends on application of the skinny pedal.

I saw a new max with the camper last month.
Cool air and a good grade, stayed on it hard, 1250-1280 egt.
Just shy of 30 psi, more than 29.5.
And that's on a tranny safe tune.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2017, 11:22:39 AM
Update: Camron at Motor Ops has been staying on top of this speedo issue. He sent me a new tune to correct for that

He also spent the time to do a session on the computer where he remotely ran through my autocal, updating and checking everything.

As a result of that session, I had the newest tune installed into my autocal.

With that done, I tried three times to load the tune but each time got an error code: $0053S

So, bottom line is that I was unable to transfer the corrected tune to my ECM and had to live with the speedo being way off.

Then I remembered something Tristen told me. He said these computers/tune interface were very sensitive, so he had me pull the fuse for all non-stock components, like my Kenwood GPS/receiver head. This time I simply powered it down and turned off the HID headlights, and ran the reflash procedure once again.

Voila' the tune loaded with no error codes.

Now, I have not had the opportunity to drive the truck yet to verify, but at the moment I am hopeful that I have a correct tune flashed into the truck's ECM

We'll know in a bit, but first, in about two hours I have to drive to a church to watch my step daughter be married. Actually, I am a part of the proceedings, so time to "Suit up" and get that done!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on November 03, 2017, 11:24:13 AM
Best of luck with the tune and the hitchin party.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 04, 2017, 01:12:08 AM
Alrighty now, Wedding is in the bag.

She was a stunning bride, really beautiful. Literally thousands (tens of...) has been eaten decorated, and partied away. My ear drums are non functional after enduring a couple hours of Y-M-C-A, and a host of other party songs. The food was excellent, well worth the $32 a plate, The ladies were beautiful, the photography very well done, the ceremony flawlessly executed, and on the drive home I noticed the speedo indicating 73 mph while the GPS said 69 mph!

So it seems as though the new tune nearly solved the speedo issue so now it's on to the next round of thinges-es.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: dave945 on November 04, 2017, 09:32:21 AM
Congratulations on the daughters betrothal, Don. Glad you don’t have a CarRep for blowing out a hip or anything on the dance floor.

Honestly though, when you mentioned your daughters wedding, my heart did a little flip thinking of my daughters doing the same thing.  I still have a few years to wait, but I want to make them good years. (Not to mention any associated cost, what with having five girls.). Oh well, who wants to retire anyway.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2017, 10:33:22 AM
Short update on C-Max

Had a chance to squirm around in some gooey clayish muddy wonderfulness today. Those tires never allowed for a stoppage in forward progress. The combination of this truck's wheelbase, its weight, the grizzly locker, 4WD, and these 37" tires make for a pretty robust and reliable package for one who may venture way off the beaten path. I'm very comfortable with taking this truck most places. I bypass the nasty spots...Those are for kids with a large credit limit and not too much brain thinkage.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 23, 2017, 10:35:08 AM
I did have to (finally) trim back the power steps as the tires were catching them on tight turns. Next I'll have to do that northern Kali mod on the inner fender well because they occasionally scrub there as well.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on November 23, 2017, 11:39:34 AM
I am putting this on the calendar!!!!!!

We now have photographic proof that this truck has become something other than a mall mulchbed/pavement princess.......:stickpoke don
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 23, 2017, 01:31:00 PM
Hold on. We see a dirty truck, not a truck in the mud. We should demand real pics!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 23, 2017, 01:32:59 PM
Video from that go pro don bought a while back


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 24, 2017, 01:02:20 AM
Video from that go pro don bought a while back


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I took that back Dave...Crappy camera in my view
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 24, 2017, 01:29:59 AM
Depending on the use I can see it not working well for some


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 24, 2017, 03:40:12 AM
I just use my phone, does great. I would like something with a good optical zoom though.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 24, 2017, 04:07:20 AM
Short update on C-Max

Had a chance to squirm around in some gooey clayish muddy wonderfulness today. Those tires never allowed for a stoppage in forward progress. The combination of this truck's wheelbase, its weight, the grizzly locker, 4WD, and these 37" tires make for a pretty robust and reliable package for one who may venture way off the beaten path. I'm very comfortable with taking this truck most places. I bypass the nasty spots...Those are for active duty piluts with a large support crew and not too much brain thinkage.

Fixed it
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2017, 08:42:25 PM
Well, the thing let me down last night with dead batteries once again, so that was it for me. When reliability is negatively impacted, things get fixed

So in went two new batteries. I get such a huge discount at O'Rilleys that I stopped there first. I picked up the best batteries they sell for less than half price. Retail was $270 and I paid $120.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
Question: When is everyone changing out their radiator fluid? I'm thinking I might be a candidate...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2017, 08:45:07 PM
So, all dirty and actually fitting in the garage! Spot that SquareD occupied for the last few years...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2017, 08:46:53 PM
I'll do a battery change write-up over in the DIY section
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 29, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
GET IT OUTTA THERE!  That dust could cause all kinds of mayhem and stuff might start malfunctioning, parts trucks will start a parade to your door again and that poor green warrior will feel like a kid who goes off to college just to come home and find someone new moved into his room!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
GET IT OUTTA THERE!  That dust could cause all kinds of mayhem and stuff might start malfunctioning, parts trucks will start a parade to your door again and that poor green warrior will feel like a kid who goes off to college just to come home and find someone new moved into his room!
I'm good

The protective layer of dirt and dried mud (Dirt) protects the vital parts against the awful effects of dust, and mulch!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on November 30, 2017, 08:14:43 AM
Question: When is everyone changing out their radiator fluid? I'm thinking I might be a candidate...
I waited too long. Didn't get acidic, but it was dirty. 6-7 years.
I think they recommend 5 years, and some amount of miles.

Since then it's been replaced twice, due to the fact I had the rad hose off for one thing or another.
Being there is no drain bung on my 06, it goes into a pail inside a kiddie pool.
Well about 50/50, along with all the dirt and crud that drops in.
Based on that it gets new out in.

Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 09:05:27 AM
Question: When is everyone changing out their radiator fluid? I'm thinking I might be a candidate...
I waited too long. Didn't get acidic, but it was dirty. 6-7 years.
I think they recommend 5 years, and some amount of miles.

Since then it's been replaced twice, due to the fact I had the rad hose off for one thing or another.
Being there is no drain bung on my 06, it goes into a pail inside a kiddie pool.
Well about 50/50, along with all the dirt and crud that drops in.
Based on that it gets new out in.


OK then, we're getting a coolant fluid change!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 30, 2017, 11:31:12 AM
Another fluid change,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yeah, 5 years or 100k. Did mine a couple ago and doing the thermo's will top it off again.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on November 30, 2017, 11:34:39 AM
Question: When is everyone changing out their radiator fluid? I'm thinking I might be a candidate...
Mine's been done 3 times in 5 years....a waterpump under warranty, a radiator because they poked a hole in it when doing said waterpump, and the last time my shroud went through the radiator. lol
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 01:02:54 PM
Question: When is everyone changing out their radiator fluid? I'm thinking I might be a candidate...
Mine's been done 3 times in 5 years....a waterpump under warranty, a radiator because they poked a hole in it when doing said waterpump, and the last time my shroud went through the radiator. lol
Well looking at that expansion tank, it is no longer "Pristine" clean, so I think that with 6 years and 80K, I'll knock that out
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on November 30, 2017, 03:34:14 PM
Another fluid change,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yeah, 5 years or 100k. Did mine a couple ago and doing the thermo's will top it off again.

your still putting those thermostats off.....along with the pump rub..........?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 30, 2017, 04:28:14 PM
Another fluid change,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yeah, 5 years or 100k. Did mine a couple ago and doing the thermo's will top it off again.

your still putting those thermostats off.....along with the pump rub..........?

Can't find the thermos I bought. To pricey for another set. Yeah, guilty on the pump rub, like the lift and gears I have sitting here,,,,,,,,,,,,



RETIREMENT = Just never seems to be enough time, or I start another project!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bob Smith on November 30, 2017, 05:48:13 PM
Give him a break Nate, he has been building for a few months. Bet he finds stuff he hasn't even known was lost when he starts cleaning up after the build is done.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 06:14:08 PM
Let me borrow the thread just for a moment guys...

Yea...

So I changed the coolant out today. There are several techniques to remove the old fluid. I chose to slice through the small 5/8" lower hose and install a nipple and two clamps after I had drained about 3.5ish gallons. I had three good gallons in the bucket, a goodly amount on the ground and of course soaked up in my sweatshirt and hair.

Here's the bugger hiding right above the front sway bar:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 06:15:16 PM
Yea, Nate, the mud is from a mulch bed at the mall!

Here it is without the factory plastic clamp
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 30, 2017, 06:16:24 PM
Hey, someone is on my side. I have been cleaning slowly (another project) but did find I have enough ridge shingles from my garage to finish this room. 

I like that mod Don. Hard to believe they provide no coolant drain on a 50K truck!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 06:17:43 PM
Since I was spilling fluid everywhere I decided to spill a little diesel as well. With the Air Dog hummin' this valve houses a schrader that is used to bleed air from the fuel system. I purged it a little just to make things a bit messier.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 06:19:38 PM
So here is a couple dollars in parts needed to mod the lower hose to be able to drain fluid there

A double ended 5/8" nipple made for coolant systems and two 3/4" clamps
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 06:21:41 PM
After installing the nipple, I wrapped the whole assembly with a sectioned radiator hose to provide abrasion protection to the adjacent lower big momma rad hose
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 06:22:42 PM
Hey, someone is on my side. I have been cleaning slowly (another project) but did find I have enough ridge shingles from my garage to finish this room. 

I like that mod Don. Hard to believe they provide no coolant drain on a 50K truck!
$60K JR...$60K

And that is why I'll drive it a very long time!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 06:25:38 PM
Next I topped it up with Dexicool, warmed the engine up and topped it again, and again.

Trucks need to fill up to the "Max" line which is nearly completely full.

I am a bit over 50/50 dexi-H20. At 50/50 I would get protection to -34F which we have not seen here before. We did get down to -29, and some reported -30F, but that is extreme for here (A warm spell for polar bear Sam!)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: wyorunner on November 30, 2017, 06:54:50 PM
Hey, someone is on my side. I have been cleaning slowly (another project) but did find I have enough ridge shingles from my garage to finish this room. 

I like that mod Don. Hard to believe they provide no coolant drain on a 50K truck!
$60K JR...$60K

And that is why I'll drive it a very long time!

Thats if your buying GM, ferd wants 80K plus, and they have now claimed the title of having the first 100k truck... We too will be driving our oldies but goodies until they turn to dust!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on November 30, 2017, 07:35:26 PM
50/50 works for most.

I think I'm inbetween 70/30 and 60/40.
I shoot for -50 or so, can't go much more than 70/30 or it will congeal.
At -40 100% antifreeze freezes, no beuno, and odd.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on November 30, 2017, 07:57:52 PM
Hey, someone is on my side. I have been cleaning slowly (another project) but did find I have enough ridge shingles from my garage to finish this room. 

I like that mod Don. Hard to believe they provide no coolant drain on a 50K truck!
$60K JR...$60K

And that is why I'll drive it a very long time!

Thats if your buying GM, ferd wants 80K plus, and they have now claimed the title of having the first 100k truck... We too will be driving our oldies but goodies until they turn to dust!
I'm getting ready to change out the dog hair in the back seat next.

It was providing a protective cover for the carpet.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on November 30, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
You know Don, there is a coolant bleed on the themo housing,,,,,,,,,

Mine was 40K. Think they have evened out some, but yeah, I saw that 100K ferd.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on December 01, 2017, 01:15:02 AM
Charles keeps saying something about how he likes that new $100k f450 Platinum... crazy redneck!

I guess we can live vicariously thru him... ;)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on December 01, 2017, 11:31:05 AM
If it was red, he might!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 01, 2017, 11:31:17 PM
Don, It looks like that is just a splice for the hose, why not a ball valve or a T of some type?    Either way far better than getting to the three inch hose on the bottom side of the Rad and the kid pool method.  I’ll look at adding that next time I do mine.
I have changed mine twice since owning the truck in five years. First was 100k and second Cooling stack cleaning


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on December 02, 2017, 02:09:38 AM
Isn't that like a $200 hose? I should probably replace mine since it is 11+ years old and add a petcock there someplace.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 02, 2017, 09:10:11 AM
If it was red, he might!
Yup. Although the wife would make me get rid of my old trucks and besides I’m even more stupid than that. I’m about to install a pool.  There goes my truck money.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 02, 2017, 09:27:11 AM
TRN - “If momma ain’t happy, nobody’s happy”, a pool will is always a great alternative source of water for SHTF situations too; I’m sure we’ll see you “cooling your heels” with a snort in your hand poolside too!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on December 03, 2017, 01:39:47 AM
I got a fiberglass pool. Done in under 2 weeks cept for the cement.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2017, 10:10:08 PM
OK, tire rotation time

Let's talk about these BFG MT's

Ken experienced a vibration, cupping, chunking and the like at 20K

Shawn heate them

After about 5K miles, I am not a fan of these tires. I will not be adding in new ones as these grenade. When the time comes, I'll go back to the Toyos, likely, or some premium tire, I'd say.

So shortly after new I started getting a shimmy. It is there now and it is bad. I get a big vibration at most speeds that I like to use.

So I postulated that when I painted the hubs with that awful nuclear reactor waste masquerading as paint that KBS sells, I may have created an irregular surface which wedged one of more tires at some angle other than true.

Also the rear tires are just being eaten up by that Grizzly locker, so at 5,000 miles I rotated

The spare was still new. Beside it is the right reat tire that the griz has been snackin' on
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2017, 10:14:39 PM
Basic car maintenance was on the curriculum for the elderly pre-ranger today. He got to do the majority of the work as a learning tool.
I measured things, wire wheeled the hubs, applied paint and grease and generally made a nusiance of myself
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2017, 10:17:44 PM
I measured all tires-tread depth with both a micrometer and a standard depth gage.

The results clearly show that the rear tires wear at twice the rate of greater, than front tires.

Looking at a new (measured) tread depth of 21/32", most tires were either side of 18/32, but the rear gave me the worst wear eating a couple extra 32nd's.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on December 31, 2017, 10:18:07 PM
Norm says procomps are good & I like coopers......
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2017, 10:27:04 PM
So the worst tire shows 17/32's and I do not like to run mud tires much below 8/32's-10/32's, I have 8/32's at best remaining until its time to punch them out.
So I ate through 3-3.5 32nds in 5,000 miles.
That translates to, what, another 15,000 miles until it's time to put new rubber on.

Ouch!

20,000 mile service life. I could run them out to 30,000, but that means nine months of not going down farmside during or after wet weather conditions (Read: Not happenin')

So I have from 9 months to a year of service life remaining. That is horse manure folks!

The good thing is, since they are giving me a poor ride, maybe that is a good thing!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2017, 10:28:02 PM
Found, removed, and repaired the damage from this little gem
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2017, 10:29:54 PM
I cleaned all hubs, and mating surfaces, and applied fresh paint being careful to cover over ice, salt and road grime!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2017, 10:31:59 PM
Had to clean out the pins and linkage in the folding step mechanisms. The front had a little droop going on, which I was able to correct with brake cleaner and some fresh lube
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on December 31, 2017, 10:33:03 PM
Norm says procomps are good & I like coopers......
All too soon, I'll be shelling out for something and going down this road once again.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on December 31, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
Well, you just reinforced that the jk won’t be getting km’s........

Not that I was really considering them & I was always a bfg fan up until the km2’s
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on December 31, 2017, 11:02:12 PM
One other thing, I had several of these I could not get balanced for my F350 dually. I kept rotating them until I found two I could live with new right out of the gate on the front end. I personally think the QC on these from the factory is crap. My tire place tried to blame the aftermarket chinaman wheels. So I took the oem’s & had them powdered black (original clear had peeled which is why I went to aftermarket). But low & behold the oem wheels had same issues. I give those tires an F rating and kinda like the 6.0L international motor both of those companies owe their customers a lot of money imo.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2018, 12:35:41 AM
Not driven yet, so no clue as to if this rotation cured the crappy ride.

I hope I get rich soon. I'll dump these things immediately! No way something this expensive, coming from a company with such a grand reputation should fail so miserably. Are these things made in China, and I missed it? or by prisoners, school children, or some penitentiary or something like that?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on January 02, 2018, 12:12:46 AM
D rated tires just aren't made to handle a 10k lb+ truck Don.
They would probably work great on Shawn's Jeep
tho.

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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
D rated tires just aren't made to handle a 10k lb+ truck Don.
They would probably work great on Shawn's Jeep
tho.

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On the tires: Good news!

I must have had one bad one, and it must have been the right rear.

Reason, that is the tire that is currently hanging on the spare carrier and my truck drives completely normally. Now I am not saying that the issue may not reappear, but I am saying that I drove the truck down to the farm 50+ miles pulling the trailer with the outhouse strapped to it (What #3,500 ish??) and back at 45-60MPH and encountered no vibration at all. I had no steering wheel shimmy and with regard to the steering, it was greatly improved. Not much crown on these narrow country roads to speak of and for 75% of the distance there you cannot keep the steering wheel still less than 2 seconds. No exaggeration, the roads are literally constant turns most of the way there! Point with all that being that there is no way to check to see if it wanders following the crown just yet.
If I could keep this ride, these tires would do their job and get me through another year and then I'd upgrade to the "E" rated tires which hopefully, then, I could easily pay for.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2018, 09:55:43 AM
And now the not good news: I woke up to -7F temps this morning, then remembered I left the truck outside in those temps because the trailer is still hooked up and I need to go get lumber this morning. So I go out to plug in the block heater and sitting right there on the ground is two, 12" in diameter wet spots.

Those two wet spots are radiator coolant

They are sitting just below the two "humps" in the Fabtech lift kit front cross member which sits just below the front of the engine in line with the water pump and block attachments.

A quick check of the radiator overflow tank shows it to be empty...

Now how much were those gas 2500HD's on closeout??
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 02, 2018, 09:59:20 AM
:thumb on the tires

Water pump ain't the end of the world. 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 02, 2018, 10:29:16 AM
I think don is getting tired of wrenching on things.   I completely understand.   I am to the point in my day where all I do is put out fires at work and fix other peoples stuff. Last thing I want to do is fix my own problems and stuff.  Plus wrenching in the cold sucks!!


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on January 02, 2018, 11:29:32 AM
Well, with SD at the shop isn't the garage open now?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2018, 06:45:27 PM
I think don is getting tired of wrenching on things.   I completely understand.   I am to the point in my day where all I do is put out fires at work and fix other peoples stuff. Last thing I want to do is fix my own problems and stuff.  Plus wrenching in the cold sucks!!


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What he said ^^^^
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2018, 06:55:27 PM
So after a delicious cup of the Kentucky quoffee, finely ground, thank you very much, I suited up and went investigating.

First of all with the tears out of my eyes from the -7F temps, I could finally see! The coolant level was not low much at all. In fact, maybe only 3/4" below "Max"

Then I think I may have found the source of the weeping. Not a good spot mind you, and I could not confirm this is actual origin, but I have it up this far, so far
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2018, 06:56:42 PM
Whatever is leaking, it is a small leak indeed.

It took less than a pint to top up the system before firing it up
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2018, 06:57:36 PM
This is the highest spot I can trace the leak to at this point:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2018, 07:00:55 PM
I drove it all the way down to the farm, stopping several times to make purchases, or eat. And at no time did it leave a single spot on the tarmac like it did at home...!!! Weird

Can it be that the severe cold caused some seal or hose to contract enough to initiate a leak, but sealed back up with the application of heat?

At this point I am keeping an eye on it
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 02, 2018, 07:08:15 PM
That is a solid hose that runs to the top of the Rad? What hose is that Don?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bob Smith on January 02, 2018, 07:09:37 PM
Don, auto fix rarely works but good luck to you
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 02, 2018, 07:14:46 PM
Don my LB7 water pump leaked intermittently for a year and then got worse.


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Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on January 02, 2018, 07:15:38 PM
...Can it be that the severe cold caused some seal or hose to contract enough to initiate a leak, but sealed back up with the application of heat?...
That kind of stuff happened to our fertilizer and dump trucks all the time. Retightening hose clamps after they were warm seemed to help. It only happened in extreme cold though and on those rigs it was acceptable since we didn’t run them much in those temps.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: dave945 on January 02, 2018, 07:22:40 PM
Yeah, working in these temps sucks. How tall is your truck?  I have some space in the garage (just a couple thousand square feet) and it hasn’t dropped below freezing in there yet.  Let me know if you want s relatively warming place to work on it.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on January 02, 2018, 07:28:02 PM
Yeah hose connections leak during winter, the rubber shrinks. That connection doesn't have a clamp tho, correct? Just a plastic ring? Might have disturbed it when you installed the drain...

Funny, -7*.
 I went deer hunting today and was sweating my rear off by 10:00 in just a t-shirt

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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 02, 2018, 07:33:39 PM
Yeah hose connections leak during winter, the rubber shrinks. That connection doesn't have a clamp tho, correct? Just a plastic ring? Might have disturbed it when you installed the drain...

Funny, -7*.
 I went deer hunting today and was sweating my rear off by 10:00 in just a t-shirt

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Lower radiator hose with the cast in "T"

My money says the leak, if you want to call it that, is uphill of that a bit, just collecting on that junction. although I can't prove that with evidence.

About the super cold temps.

Over the life of the truck, about 99% of the problems I have encountered all occur during radical dips in ambient temp.

So I'm not going to loose any sleep over this issue.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on January 02, 2018, 08:37:23 PM
Good deal, we all know you old guys need your beauty rest......  :likebutton:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on January 02, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
I think that is part of the $200 house that is a bear to change!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on January 02, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
Don, that $200 piece of junk will do that.
It's a terrible design, I have one new in box of truck.
Mine started leaking again...sometime back the first dip to -20 or so.
I'm currently hoping to make it till next summer to replace it again.
Then I may do some 'research' if barbed fittings and clamps will work.

It's a real PITA to change as the moulded junk connectors don't like to fit through the small spaces they need to go through. Best done on a warm day. The clamp up at the water pump sucks to get to also.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 02, 2018, 11:23:25 PM
Sounds like we need to get a write up on this going.  I am sure mine will start leaking too after getting back here to the cold weather


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on January 03, 2018, 01:54:52 AM
Don, that $200 piece of junk will do that.
It's a terrible design, I have one new in box of truck.
I think that is part of the $200 house that is a bear to change!


Haha, I was going to chime in about the price of that hose, too! :)


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 11:14:42 AM
Didn't know we were on to something

OK, I'll get to it and figure out what to do next.

I'm almost dreading it, but time to go outside and see if old C-Max leaked any last night. I did however plug in the block heater...

Let you know in a jiffy...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 12:17:46 PM
OK, still leaking:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 12:21:52 PM
Notice the hose junction in the blurry picture.

Second vertical line.

I cannot with any certainty ascertain if the "T" junction is the only leak

or

If the new vertical line has migrated onto the top of the "T" creating the appearance of that vulcanized, funky transition simply being a collection point for a drip.

But I can see what is uphill from that, and that would be a hose clamp.

So,

for my next act, I think I'll snug that critter up and scrape a bit more skin off my good hand.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 03, 2018, 02:31:06 PM
Toss some parts cleaner on it and dry it off really well than apply a form of white powered or flower to he area. Should help visually to see if the leak is coming from higher up. 

Not sure if this is new knowledge but it has worked for me.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: EL TATE on January 03, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
That's a great old school trick right there Dave, wish I had thought of that a long time ago. I was "mystery leaking" in the wife's Yukon, only after running down the hwy and never when parked. I could see water marks down the block and assumed water pump, but borrowed this guy from a buddy at work, https://www.harborfreight.com/radiator-pressure-tester-kit-63862.html and found it was the passenger side gasket had been installed without RTV. I replaced the pump anyway since it had 70k on it, but the pressure tester was 100% accurate.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on January 03, 2018, 06:07:29 PM
My bet is on the tee junction. My OEM hose was really stuck on good.

It may well be the clamp joint too.
That's the one you'll loosen to remove said hose...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 03, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
OK, so I tightened up the clamp up at the water pump outlet. (Inlet)
That clamp was pretty loose. That may well have been the culprit. I have never put a wrench on that worm gear, so maybe over the past six years it has loosened that much.

I took it to the truck wash, where they did the chem clean thing to the UC, then drove about fetching lumber for the next project, then drove it home. Hours later, there is not a spot on the driveway. Not taking any bets just yet, but so far so good.

Oh, and the tires continue to ride very well!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 03, 2018, 10:41:50 PM
So two days ago you were done with them and wanted to return to Toyo tires.   What’s the verdict ? You rotated them was all?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 04, 2018, 08:28:25 AM
So two days ago you were done with them and wanted to return to Toyo tires.   What’s the verdict ? You rotated them was all?


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D rated tires just aren't made to handle a 10k lb+ truck Don.
They would probably work great on Shawn's Jeep
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On the tires: Good news!

I must have had one bad one, and it must have been the right rear.

Reason, that is the tire that is currently hanging on the spare carrier and my truck drives completely normally. Now I am not saying that the issue may not reappear, but I am saying that I drove the truck down to the farm 50+ miles pulling the trailer with the outhouse strapped to it (What #3,500 ish??) and back at 45-60MPH and encountered no vibration at all. I had no steering wheel shimmy and with regard to the steering, it was greatly improved. Not much crown on these narrow country roads to speak of and for 75% of the distance there you cannot keep the steering wheel still less than 2 seconds. No exaggeration, the roads are literally constant turns most of the way there! Point with all that being that there is no way to check to see if it wanders following the crown just yet.
If I could keep this ride, these tires would do their job and get me through another year and then I'd upgrade to the "E" rated tires which hopefully, then, I could easily pay for.

yup rotated
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2018, 08:01:40 PM
And to report a bit further along, the vibration ans wheel shimmy is still gone. I think we may have gotten the rascally rabbit!

Truck is driving along just fine and working offroad well in the winter mud/ice stuff.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 14, 2018, 08:24:01 PM
Still no leak from the lower rad hose?


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on January 15, 2018, 10:33:06 AM
Still no leak from the lower rad hose?


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Dave,
It showed a spot one day, then it hasn't since then.
I stopped checking the past few days since the garage has some wet spots on the floor, and it would be hard to determine.
The problem does seem to be related and proportional to the cold.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2018, 07:08:38 PM
The truck is beginning to show its age, so today I started to do something about it. The thing is running great and just under 90K, but the paint is a bit dull and those letters have been on there long enough.

So off they came and I buffed out part of the topper to see if the finish was restorable or just in need of a top coat. The former was the answer and I got a clue as to what the thing will look like with a bit of mechanical shinin'
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2018, 07:11:45 PM
Now I went and did it!

Made a couple of areas shiny, so I guess I'll have to complete the operation.

I am thinking about a repaint of the front and rear bumpers, and I keep wanting to paint the wheels a shiney steel gray, like the color of the wife's GJ. I'd likely chase that by painting the chrome on the grill the same dark metallic gray and maybe flat black the top of the hood to reduce glare...

Just thinkin here folks, so let's not go too crazie!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 02, 2018, 07:22:51 PM
Is that where sq d used to reside? Wondering if they just swapped places and the old girl was put out to pasture (aka mulch bed)?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 02, 2018, 07:36:31 PM
Looking good. Guess the knee is better?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 02, 2018, 08:41:07 PM
I think these are my next investment, keep the water and salt from going in places it doesn’t need to.  Might help you out

https://www.cjponyparts.com/general-motors-wheelhouse-liner-rear-pair-chevrolet-silverado-2016-2018/p/84154470/


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2018, 10:37:50 PM
Is that where sq d used to reside? Wondering if they just swapped places and the old girl was put out to pasture (aka mulch bed)?
SquareD is still over at the repair shop. I am awaiting a sizeable check to show up...If it does, I'll let them dig back into the thing and fix what they found. If it doesn't in a month, then I'll bring it home.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 02, 2018, 10:40:10 PM
Looking good. Guess the knee is better?
It is slowly healing. I can motor around now

Today is the first day, I put actual work on it and not just riding around in the cab of something I own.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on March 02, 2018, 11:12:40 PM
I think these are my next investment, keep the water and salt from going in places it doesn’t need to.  Might help you out

https://www.cjponyparts.com/general-motors-wheelhouse-liner-rear-pair-chevrolet-silverado-2016-2018/p/84154470/


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I need some of those now, too. But check the link Dave - says they’re for 2016+.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 03, 2018, 12:16:42 AM
I do believe you can get them for many different years, I just pulled a fast gooogle search for reference


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on March 03, 2018, 12:27:05 AM
Gotcha :). Yes, can get them for other years, and the ones for the 1500s fit our trucks.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 03, 2018, 12:50:09 PM
Cool, need them for my 06 also.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: rpar86 on March 03, 2018, 01:10:21 PM
Did some searching last night - ruggedliner seems to be the way to go - wwc99 for the classic 01-07 trucks.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 03, 2018, 01:13:39 PM
glad your knee is getting better Don.

I'm hanging a bit of hardie today. Gotta get the outside wrapped up
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 03, 2018, 07:56:22 PM
Did some searching last night - ruggedliner seems to be the way to go - wwc99 for the classic 01-07 trucks.


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Sweet and there $30 cheaper!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2018, 08:06:53 PM
glad your knee is getting better Don.

I'm hanging a bit of hardie today. Gotta get the outside wrapped up
Its as stiff as a pine board, but I can move about slowly...Pretty much all I need, as before the operation, I was moving about slowly! ;-))
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 03, 2018, 10:44:50 PM
Oh boy do I know that feeling. Dr said my knee is sprang and I can agree as it is stiff. Weight on it is not issue. However the stabbing pain that goes down the leg is killing me, and really just when I lay down so sleep is suffering big time right now.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 04, 2018, 09:32:20 AM
Oh boy do I know that feeling. Dr said my knee is sprang and I can agree as it is stiff. Weight on it is not issue. However the stabbing pain that goes down the leg is killing me, and really just when I lay down so sleep is suffering big time right now.
Hate that!

I just suck it up and drive on...Best we can do my friend!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 04, 2018, 09:43:30 PM
Thx Don. Worse part is trying to sleep.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2018, 06:59:07 PM
Truck sitting a wee bit under 90K is running great. The tires have settled down completely and although there are wearing just like my patience during an Obama speech, they are smooth and give great traction. Keep in mind I am in 3"-6" deep mud on long greasy slopes once a week. They occasionally spin, but not often. They do some side slippin', more than I like, but I haven't slipped off the edge of the world yet, so I'm basically satisfied with them.

The mileage continues to be good. And this is in the third setting, not the high mileage #1 position.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2018, 01:28:41 PM
I am finding labor prices pretty much eclipising $100 an hour everywhere. That's great for a guy like me who is considering taking on smallish land clearing jobs. I'd come in at around $100-$150 an hour with a minimum 5 hour charge to do something.

But focusing more on the automotive labor market, and using my recent experiences as a measure, people aren't getting a lot anymore for their hard earned dime.

Recognizing that great businesses like Ken's fight an uphill battle of labor costs, hidden costs, taxes, insurance, environmental surcharges and so forth, guys like him blend all that and still try to stay above the water.


Talking to the diesel mechs I had do the work on SquareD, who I believe to be really good mechanics, informed me that the CP4.2 pump in my Duramax is a ticking time bomb. They offered to replace it for $5,000

That got me thinking. First, the Duramax is my primary vehicle I use for everything. I really can't afford for it to cave in with no notice. So I was pricing CP3 pump conversions. Industrial injection has a kit with pump around $2,000, and a good Whirli unit for a bit more.

A very basic pure stock CP3 unit can be had for as little as $1600, and I'll bet I wasn't going to get much more than that for the $5K.

Then knowing these guys would have to pull the body off the frame to get the job done, I watched a couple films of a guy at Industrial injection actually do the complete conversion. Well, he did it with the body on. Removed the turbo and about everything, but just worked overhead like everyone else.

You know, for $2K I could do that and still be able to add another turbo for the $5K the mechanics wanted...

Yea, I'm thinking again...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 21, 2018, 02:16:29 PM
Hopefully your lift pump will add a little life the CP. That is another reason I did mine.

Mine is my DD also, right now a kid taxi and I get to use it a little.

$2k for a kit sounds great but I don't see the need to pull the cab. I don't think it is timed, just a pump and comes off straight up.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 21, 2018, 02:48:39 PM
The reality is these diesels have gotten to the place where they are just too expensive for the average joe. One thing if you can bill the cost out monthly but to just pull a trailer once every month or two I just don’t see it.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 21, 2018, 04:10:25 PM
I hear you Shawn, but you get hooked on the power and the mileage easily. As long as they run good, no issues. (knock on wood)

That pump is what I will have into the cummins I have once running.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 21, 2018, 04:42:48 PM
The other thing is ten / fifteen years ago the gasser v8’s made 300 hp in the hd pickups. At this point that’s a V6 output number. So I think you’re a lot of money ahead in a hd gas version with decent hp / torque figures.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 21, 2018, 05:49:54 PM
A 1/2 ton 5.3 would be fine for around town/highway. But the 10mpg 6.2/8.1 is not great.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 21, 2018, 06:17:26 PM
Don. Worry about something else.  Plenty of 500,000 mile LMLs out there.  The exploding CP4 is overhyped


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 21, 2018, 08:57:33 PM
I think you should come on up to industrial injection and visit utah! 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on March 22, 2018, 02:35:10 AM
Don. Worry about something else.  Plenty of 500,000 mile LMLs out there.  The exploding CP4 is overhyped


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But how many are truly on modified lml's?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 22, 2018, 07:59:42 AM
Plenty of tuned deleted ones. I don’t consider modified to be emissions delete and tunes

He’s only running the mild tunes anyway and not calling on the pump for that much extra fuel.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bear9350 on March 22, 2018, 08:32:50 AM
And running a lift pump besides to help it out I think right?  I don't think the LML cp4 is like the LB7 injectors where you know they are going to go it is just a matter of time and miles before they do.  Remember when reading on those forums the small percentage of people posting about those types of problems can be a lot louder then the majority of people that aren't having any issues and never have a need to post.  The only thing that had me thinking about swapping to a cp3 when I had my LML was that a cp4 failure could take out stuff down line and cost a whole heck of a lot more to fix then just the swap.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2018, 10:27:20 AM
And running a lift pump besides to help it out I think right?  I don't think the LML cp4 is like the LB7 injectors where you know they are going to go it is just a matter of time and miles before they do.  Remember when reading on those forums the small percentage of people posting about those types of problems can be a lot louder then the majority of people that aren't having any issues and never have a need to post.  The only thing that had me thinking about swapping to a cp3 when I had my LML was that a cp4 failure could take out stuff down line and cost a whole heck of a lot more to fix then just the swap.
That is a large part of it for me as well
The loss of the CP4.2 means the loss of the injectors, a massive removal and cleaning of the entire fuel system. The return line pushing contaminated fuel back into the tank would call for a removal and cleaning of that, as well as the lines and perhaps of the lift pump as well.

I think the amount of labor to make all that right, along with the prospect of possibly a follow on failure due to a missed metal shard impinging a replacement injector begins to speak of a nightmarish scenario of thousands of wasted dollars.

Now about the power, and how I use it.

I purposely use lower settings because I know of the limits of the Allison.

In a perfect world of no financial constraints, I would replace the Ally and converter with something designed to hold 800 HP. I would use a better primary turbo and perhaps a low pressure turbo as well, and a modified CP# capable of supporting a more agressive tune. I would likely install head studs and/or other pieces of insurance to keep it all safe and secure

Why you ask?

I have long wanted to add a bit more structure to the front end to push away trees (or cars) that I seem to be encountering. I wold like to upgrade to a 16.5K winch, and add a 10K winch to the back end. I'd like to add a couple skip plates and a roof rack and one or two well designed roll bar loops to the exterior as a part of that roof rack.

Adding that extra 1500 lbs or more would slow the truck down a lot. 8700 (current weight) + 1,500 = 10,200 which would need a bunch more HP just to be able to run around (then) like it does now.

And that is why I'd like to add more HP/torque.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 22, 2018, 11:10:50 AM
And running a lift pump besides to help it out I think right?  I don't think the LML cp4 is like the LB7 injectors where you know they are going to go it is just a matter of time and miles before they do.  Remember when reading on those forums the small percentage of people posting about those types of problems can be a lot louder then the majority of people that aren't having any issues and never have a need to post.  The only thing that had me thinking about swapping to a cp3 when I had my LML was that a cp4 failure could take out stuff down line and cost a whole heck of a lot more to fix then just the swap.
That is a large part of it for me as well
The loss of the CP4.2 means the loss of the injectors, a massive removal and cleaning of the entire fuel system. The return line pushing contaminated fuel back into the tank would call for a removal and cleaning of that, as well as the lines and perhaps of the lift pump as well.

I think the amount of labor to make all that right, along with the prospect of possibly a follow on failure due to a missed metal shard impinging a replacement injector begins to speak of a nightmarish scenario of thousands of wasted dollars.

Now about the power, and how I use it.

I purposely use lower settings because I know of the limits of the Allison.

In a perfect world of no financial constraints, I would replace the Ally and converter with something designed to hold 800 HP. I would use a better primary turbo and perhaps a low pressure turbo as well, and a modified CP# capable of supporting a more agressive tune. I would likely install head studs and/or other pieces of insurance to keep it all safe and secure

Why you ask?

I have long wanted to add a bit more structure to the front end to push away trees (or cars) that I seem to be encountering. I wold like to upgrade to a 16.5K winch, and add a 10K winch to the back end. I'd like to add a couple skip plates and a roof rack and one or two well designed roll bar loops to the exterior as a part of that roof rack.

Adding that extra 1500 lbs or more would slow the truck down a lot. 8700 (current weight) + 1,500 = 10,200 which would need a bunch more HP just to be able to run around (then) like it does now.

And that is why I'd like to add more HP/torque.

I think adding another 1500# is insanity myself. Honestly I don’t see the benefit in exchange for the added weight & cost.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 22, 2018, 01:03:39 PM
You already have the bumpers, upgrading winches adds little weight if any.

Roof rack, a hundred or so until you load it up Don style,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sure glade I have the LBZ, but I understand wanting the pump and ally upgrade.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 22, 2018, 01:10:02 PM
I think your more likely going to go through a trans before your pump goes, if you build that than you are not limited to breaking anything.  Fix the trans than it doesn’t matter what you pull weight wise or power you add. 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 22, 2018, 01:20:49 PM
I have limped mine once, would like to build it.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
You already have the bumpers, upgrading winches adds little weight if any.

Roof rack, a hundred or so until you load it up Don style,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sure glade I have the LBZ, but I understand wanting the pump and ally upgrade.
I have a skinny little 9K winch on the front
A 16.5 will add from 100 to maybe 120 more there
Push bar uprights with two cross bars and wings, maybe 80

Roof rack is #75 (I have built over a half dozen...) and additional reinforcing, maybe #20 more

Two 2" X .120 wall hoops is an easy 80-100

Placing some steel under the front back to the crossmenber, then under the trans, Xfer case and fuel tank is #200

A 10 K winch in the rear bumper is #75

Then a case of water is what, #20???

An easy #2,000-#3000 pounds That is when you consider now the entire chassis will be one solid cube of wet mud!

Boneheads...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 22, 2018, 03:47:40 PM
Put the 9k in the back. Does a 16k really weigh that much more, 100#?

I understand the skids and front end, got to protect stuff. What about the alum drive shaft? Just a little skuff and its gone!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bob Smith on March 22, 2018, 04:00:48 PM

You already have the bumpers, upgrading winches adds little weight if any.

Roof rack, a hundred or so until you load it up Don style,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sure glade I have the LBZ, but I understand wanting the pump and ally upgrade.
I have a skinny little 9K winch on the front
A 16.5 will add from 100 to maybe 120 more there
Push bar uprights with two cross bars and wings, maybe 80

Roof rack is #75 (I have built over a half dozen...) and additional reinforcing, maybe #20 more

Two 2" X .120 wall hoops is an easy 80-100

Placing some steel under the front back to the crossmenber, then under the trans, Xfer case and fuel tank is #200

A 10 K winch in the rear bumper is #75

Then a case of water is what, #20???

An easy #2,000-#3000 pounds That is when you consider now the entire chassis will be one solid cube of wet mud!

Boneheads...


Well, not a lot of extra weight because of some fancy bed topper anyway.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2018, 04:39:03 PM
Put the 9k in the back. Does a 16k really weigh that much more, 100#?

I understand the skids and front end, got to protect stuff. What about the alum drive shaft? Just a little skuff and its gone!

Looked up Harbor freight winches

9K    77.3 lbs
18K  167.2

So 90 lbs more give or take
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 22, 2018, 04:54:27 PM
I get the larger front winch, I don’t like the rear winch (kind of, but not really, buy winch accessories and learn how to use them properly and they are a lot less than a 10k winch and extra weight etc.). You live in the land of trees Don not the Sahara.

Cargo basket, ok not much weight or cost added. The rest of this stuff I’m just sitting here and shaking my head honestly.  :popcorn: 1500# is a lot of weight to add even to a 1 ton that is already a pig weight wise.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 22, 2018, 06:36:18 PM
Why not just get a 12k for the front and double line if needed? And if weight is an issue, just go synthetic line? You could be at the same weight then with a 12k.

Shawn, this things need under armor.  Even just a plate from the trans to the tcase would be a huge improvement.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 22, 2018, 07:12:23 PM
Why not just get a 12k for the front and double line if needed? And if weight is an issue, just go synthetic line? You could be at the same weight then with a 12k.

Shawn, this things need under armor.  Even just a plate from the trans to the tcase would be a huge improvement.

JR, he keeps it up he's gunna need a PTO 20K powered winch........ :knucklehead:

Sorry Don, the rock crawler side of me is coming out and all this added weight is a no go off road.  :beercheers: so I say smarter move is less overall weight.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 22, 2018, 07:14:28 PM
At that point why not just get an LMTV


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 22, 2018, 07:26:34 PM
There is an idea, if the unimog had more speed I would say get one of those or a oshkos type truck start with a already bulletproof frame


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 22, 2018, 08:04:04 PM
There is an idea, if the unimog had more speed I would say get one of those or a oshkos type truck start with a already bulletproof frame


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Convert the axles in the unimog to a 9” center section, get any ratio you want. Buddy of mine does the conversions.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2018, 09:09:01 PM
...And there they go...off to the races...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 22, 2018, 11:14:04 PM
There is an idea, if the unimog had more speed I would say get one of those or a oshkos type truck start with a already bulletproof frame


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Convert the axles in the unimog to a 9” center section, get any ratio you want. Buddy of mine does the conversions.
Woa woa woa!! Tell me more
About this??


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 22, 2018, 11:31:06 PM
Tex your to up in years lol.  Your busy taking big lifts off of trucks ha ha


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 22, 2018, 11:32:19 PM
If you search unimog axle conversions guys have been doing them for some time on the 404 & 416 portal axles. The problem with them in stock configuration is obviously the axle gear ratio. Build a center nine chunk and have double ended shafts built and you can then bolt the outer’s onto that nine axle housing. Off road guys love the ground clearance those portal axles have. I used to cut the raw components for WEPS off-road and I even sold his product for awhile. Andy guy who ran it was a former Navy Sea Bee so he has some machining experience.....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 23, 2018, 12:36:08 AM
http://www.govplanet.com/?h=

Stevenson 1078
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 23, 2018, 08:41:25 AM
If you search unimog axle conversions guys have been doing them for some time on the 404 & 416 portal axles. The problem with them in stock configuration is obviously the axle gear ratio. Build a center nine chunk and have double ended shafts built and you can then bolt the outer’s onto that nine axle housing. Off road guys love the ground clearance those portal axles have. I used to cut the raw components for WEPS off-road and I even sold his product for awhile. Andy guy who ran it was a former Navy Sea Bee so he has some machining experience.....
I’ll look into it. I had researched unimogs extensively about 8 years ago and was going to drop serious coin on a frame off doka rebuild but the axles kept me from doing it. At that time all I found was custom gears for the portal axles but that option seemed to be limited and the top speed was still too low.  I’d want a comfortable cruise rpm at 70 even if it meant modifications to the 6 banger diesel to get the power.

Dave..... I’m not as good as I once was but I’m as good once as I ever was ;-)


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 23, 2018, 08:47:11 AM
If you search unimog axle conversions guys have been doing them for some time on the 404 & 416 portal axles. The problem with them in stock configuration is obviously the axle gear ratio. Build a center nine chunk and have double ended shafts built and you can then bolt the outer’s onto that nine axle housing. Off road guys love the ground clearance those portal axles have. I used to cut the raw components for WEPS off-road and I even sold his product for awhile. Andy guy who ran it was a former Navy Sea Bee so he has some machining experience.....
I’ll look into it. I had researched unimogs extensively about 8 years ago and was going to drop serious coin on a frame off doka rebuild but the axles kept me from doing it. At that time all I found was custom gears for the portal axles but that option seemed to be limited and the top speed was still too low.  I’d want a comfortable cruise rpm at 70 even if it meant modifications to the 6 banger diesel to get the power.

Dave..... I’m not as good as I once was but I’m as good once as I ever was ;-)


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Charles, if you get serious about it WEPS is the guy to talk to and I can get you two together. I'm not sure he even advertises any longer. If you go to Pirate4x4 forum and search under the Mercedes section you will find many posts by WEPS (Andy L.) in the tech of the 404 axles mainly. It's probably (unfortunately) the best source of modification info for them. Once you have done your homework then Andy is the guy. He wheeled a 404 axled tj rig for years with me. I think he is building old 12 cylinder auburn rat rods nowadays and rebuilding some boat that didn't have a bottom when he bought it that he wants to install and auburn 12 cylinder into.  :huh: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2018, 09:16:04 PM
Sorry to interrupt everyone's chat party with anything, but today I got to really work those Goodrich MT's

And wow, do they work. I pulled a trailer back with some lumber, then later on came back out with a tractor on the same trailer, and not once did those tires spin. They just keep plodding along while throwing really meaty clods of mud everywhere. Some even made it inside the truck!

I had hoped to get there early enough to hopefully find the ground frozen, but there was nothing but gooey mud and standing puddles of water.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 23, 2018, 09:21:19 PM
You should take a photo of what the asphalt looks like when you left and lost all the mud off the tires


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on March 24, 2018, 10:57:56 AM
what kind of report can you give us on that topper you put on there?  we say you have it installed, but you have never given us any sort of feedback/update on it.....does it leak, how do you have it outfitted, would you get one like that again, etc?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 12:25:55 PM
what kind of report can you give us on that topper you put on there?  we say you have it installed, but you have never given us any sort of feedback/update on it.....does it leak, how do you have it outfitted, would you get one like that again, etc?
Ya, sure

In two words, It's great!

Not the fiberglass models which tend to make the truck look like a Suburban, this thing is all business.

It has a bent aluminum frame which has an aluminum skin riveted to it. I make the aluminum .032" Same as aircraft skin. The doors and sides all operate like new and although I have added extra mounts, it has never once come loose or rattled.

If you allow stuff to slide around on the inside, expect dents to appear as I have experienced. There is just nothing I don't still like about it.

I like it so much, it is the reason I am always looking for a dually. I could mount a gooseneck in my truck easily enough, the that would cause the removal of that topper, which I just refuse to do. So, someday, a gooseneck dedicated dually will be in the offering to be able to haul the CTL and gravel and heavier things.

If you are considering one, these industrial models are the stuff. I purchased mine 6" taller than the roof outline to someday accommodate a roof basket with connecting steel bars which I want to use to help push tree limbs away.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 24, 2018, 05:56:33 PM
I am not sure we have ever seen a photo of the inside of that topper Don


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 24, 2018, 06:06:21 PM
I am not sure we have ever seen a photo of the inside of that topper Don


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Probably hiding bodies in there....
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 24, 2018, 06:26:24 PM
Bodies of who? He never goes anywhere but the farm and the John deer store, he obviously hasnt killed those folks. Just paid for their kids college is all


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:05:20 PM
I am not sure we have ever seen a photo of the inside of that topper Don


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Its classified Dave

Dillon Aero pop up GAU-17 and all that...

I can't say anything further...Group seven stuff...hush-hush...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:08:02 PM
I need to get in that box and mount some things that have been ah-floppin' around, so I'll shoot some pics after I clean it a tad bit!

So today I installed some Covercraft "Tactical" nylon seat covers with a molle seat back so's eyes kan weave to me heart's content

Here's da box:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:09:55 PM
It comes with 2 ea of: seat bottom, seat tops and headrests. THen it also comes with an assortment of pouches so you can fit some things to your seat backs for organization
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:13:45 PM
Any soldiers looking at these pics are liable to break out in hives just remembering working your kit and installing and reinstalling your stuff until you got that "Just-right" fit. Civies don't understand just how stiff the Armee and Jarhead stuff really is. I believe the straps on a standard grenade pouch rival a good steel for tensile strength and resistance to bending, but BENDIN' the stuff is all you do for about a week...probably why all of us get 10 disability for carpel-tunnel syndrome when we take the velcro off for the last time...

Da box also came with a catalog and instructions...I canned each immediately!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:17:31 PM
First up, you install the seat back cover.

Now to get the head rest off your chebby, you press the detent on the right stalk and extend until it don't extends no more! Then just like you are some interior guru or something do the same thing on the left one and out she comes. Oh, forgot to mention, you first need to pop the trim ring up on the left side to gain access to the plunger. A flat blade will work nicely, and it you're attacked by ninjas during the process you can defend yer-self! ;-))
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:19:39 PM
They provide a koul tuckin' tool to push all the straps and what not inbetween the beat back and bottom. I discovered the tool after I had finished but I think I can use it to put my sunday-go-to-meetin' shoes in the morning!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:21:13 PM
After tucking the straps resembling coat tails on a formal 1930's tux, you pull the white strip off and some chemical reaction takes place bonding it all together. Either that or it uncovers the velcro and that does the deed...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:22:32 PM
I wanted a cleaner installation than I had with the sheepskinners so I actually removed some seat trim, then fished all the straps around the frame beneath the trim...ain't I special!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:24:25 PM
And as a side note, before slipping on the covers, I applied some good leather conditioner to the cowhide before installation. Incidentally, I have used this stuff since new, and looking at the driver's seat bottom, I am seeing very little cracking or wear lines. Maybe my wide posterior just spreads the load out more evenly, dunno...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:25:48 PM
Here the bottom has just been slipped into place with some adjusting. I figure I'll "just sit on it for awhile" to see how the fitment works out, then adjust later on.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:30:47 PM
This stuff is that ballistic/HD nylon that isn't but is pretty stout!

Now the headrests are not good...nope, I rate them as near fail (NF)

The amount of compression that one needs to do to get the factory headrests inside that bag is akin to what happens when a star collapses in on itself. Not easy, like way not easy.

Then the fit is junky. The side tabs have no means of securing to anything and really must be tucked inside the front and back flaps which are velcro closed. I took one look at the installed fit and gave them over to the razor...The razor won, but I realized I could use the bags to wrap around someone's knogin when the zombie apocalypse happens.
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 24, 2018, 08:32:19 PM
That looks like crap!
Unless you have some more stretching you need to accomplish.   

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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
Then I started mounting bags. Stuff I wanted to reach went on the back of the passenger seat.

I put things I may need in the future on the back of my seat. THis one pouch was just begging to get filled with 12 gage shells...part of any well appointed interior (At least in the Tuck)
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:33:28 PM
That looks like crap!


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It does, some, let's see how it sits and holds onto things
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:34:45 PM
That is a grenade pouch by my reckoning...but it came from Covercraft...Anyone got a spare Frag???
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:36:01 PM
The other seat back looks like the hanging gardens of babylon, for now
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:37:30 PM
Placed a bit more ammo in the big bag. The boys use the stuff all the time, so mind as well carry some extra for those spare precious minutes at the farm when were shootin' something
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:39:10 PM
I cut the bottom out of a real grenade pouch for my flashlight. ANother pouch fitted my knife pretty well, and still another stored up the winch control cable perfectly
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:41:58 PM
Hair brush you ask...I can never find one, further I seldom use one, but for meetings and church, I NEED ONE, so now it is a part of an arranged seat back!

If I had the red dog, I wouldn't give it five minutes on a bad day!

They also provided some handy bag with a drawstring, so I put the emergency tire inflator in there along with my bottle of Diesel-911
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 24, 2018, 08:42:44 PM
I am not sure we have ever seen a photo of the inside of that topper Don


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Probably hiding bodies in there....
Naw, I left the coon out in the pasture for the buzzards!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on March 24, 2018, 10:05:59 PM
Seat covers look familiar, except mine were so tight I could barely get them on. is that the h/duty carhart style fabric?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 25, 2018, 07:30:50 AM
Seat covers look familiar, except mine were so tight I could barely get them on. is that the h/duty carhart style fabric?
Its some kind of very heavy nylon
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Armalite on March 25, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
Replace the cp4.  Got rid of my truck before it failed, but I was also running a cp3 along with the cp4.  But, we had two more lml's in our fleet.  Both lost the cp4.  These were factory lml one ton reg cab 4wd trucks.  One failed at about 60k miles.  Other made it to around the 130k mark.  Friend of mine just had insurance company TOTAL his duramax.  Reg cab lml one ton 4wd.  Factory, and not a daily driver.  Used it for hauling his tractor around and hauling hay on weekends.  At 160k his cp4 went out and destroyed everything.  $15k in damage.  Like you said, when it goes, kiss everything fuel related from the injectors to the fuel tank good bye. 

By the way Don, the local shop that replaced both of the one tons we had in our fleet, they swapped the cp4's out without removing the body.  All done from overhead.  Does require removal of the turbo, but all the def junk has already been removed on your truck, so you have half the battle won...

I know there are a few lml's out there that haven't had an issue yet, but I know 90% more that have had them go out than the ones that are still factory...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 25, 2018, 10:27:27 AM
Who is this guy? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 25, 2018, 03:29:50 PM
Yep, a strafing run,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Since you never had any issues with it, you might be good. Biggest issue I read is the with the intake side will let the pump and rail run dry, then the CP4 goes.

You have had a lift pump and better pickup from the start more or less. Plus you run a lubricity additive which it the CP4 likes.

If you do the pump, I would just go with a CP3 since it is supposed to be a better pump.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 25, 2018, 05:41:40 PM
Replace the cp4.  Got rid of my truck before it failed, but I was also running a cp3 along with the cp4.  But, we had two more lml's in our fleet.  Both lost the cp4.  These were factory lml one ton reg cab 4wd trucks.  One failed at about 60k miles.  Other made it to around the 130k mark.  Friend of mine just had insurance company TOTAL his duramax.  Reg cab lml one ton 4wd.  Factory, and not a daily driver.  Used it for hauling his tractor around and hauling hay on weekends.  At 160k his cp4 went out and destroyed everything.  $15k in damage.  Like you said, when it goes, kiss everything fuel related from the injectors to the fuel tank good bye. 

By the way Don, the local shop that replaced both of the one tons we had in our fleet, they swapped the cp4's out without removing the body.  All done from overhead.  Does require removal of the turbo, but all the def junk has already been removed on your truck, so you have half the battle won...

I know there are a few lml's out there that haven't had an issue yet, but I know 90% more that have had them go out than the ones that are still factory...
Good to know Ash!
I'm going to bite the bullet and replace it...But am going to do a turbo upgrade at the same time.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 25, 2018, 05:50:27 PM
May as well add the tranny or just the converter too.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 25, 2018, 09:14:24 PM
May as well add the tranny or just the converter too.
Ya, just like that, another $5K-$6K

Man where do you get all your money???
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 25, 2018, 10:30:07 PM
Heck, I'm broke!!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 25, 2018, 11:16:54 PM
You can get with Mike L and he will send you a built trans and you send back the core.   Honestly Don give him a call and Inglewood transmission and hear what he has to say. 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on March 25, 2018, 11:36:15 PM
You can get with Mike L and he will send you a built trans and you send back the core.   Honestly Don give him a call and Inglewood transmission and hear what he has to say. 


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No need for all that. I don't think he can break the stock Allison.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 25, 2018, 11:37:14 PM
If we paint it orange he can for sure.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 25, 2018, 11:40:28 PM
If we paint it orange he can for sure.


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Or green
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 26, 2018, 12:20:59 AM
That’s for sure gonna break if he had a green transmission.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 26, 2018, 08:54:19 AM
You can get with Mike L and he will send you a built trans and you send back the core.   Honestly Don give him a call and Inglewood transmission and hear what he has to say. 


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Dave,
I spoke with him years ago. Remember when I was writing on my thread over at DuramaxForum...?
I recall people called that thread "A forum within a forum" I want to say I had well over a million views back then...
Well I called Mike before he was doing these LML's and we talked for some time. He had figured out the LML and we spoke of my truck being used to sort of intro the transmission to the general public on that forum. He offered to actually send a transmission guy from a Diesel shop to my house and I'd pay his transportation and only for the parts and we would do the trans here.
I don't recall the dynamic at the time, but Mike was a nice guy to be sure. I sent him a copy of my book. He called me back when he finished it and we spoke again.
I would like a Mike built trans when the time comes, but financially, that time is not at this moment in time.
Besides, and no one in the diesel world will ever understand this, I have restraint...
This is one way that it works:
I can actually own a truck with 900 HP with a totally stock transmission, and probably get 200,000 miles out of the trans! I'd be able to do that because I find no need what so ever to use the power. No one is shooting at me, and I can pull my tractor around just fine with the power I have now (Over 500HP)
It seems that when someone added EFI tuning or an aggressive turbo, then the thinking is that, "Boom, the transmission will get fried!"
That is two dimensional thinking for sure.
It does not take into consideration variables, like: "What if he has all this additional power and chooses not to use it...THEN WHY HAVE IT...My head is catching on fire...does not compute, does not compute!"
I am a helicopter pilot
That means I know there are very well defined limits
and
to
go beyond those limits means immediate failure of some system,
which
will leave my aged butt stranded somewhere
so
I have built in restraint
It was slowly merged into my DNA during ten thousand takeoffs with the torque needle tickling 100% and the skids or wheels just dribbling off the tarmac
just waiting for that one God sent tiny whisper of a gust that gives me 6 ounces more lift, which is just enough to get that pig off the ground and into the wonderful air.
I can do that, tickle the upper limits without offending clutch pack fiberal limits...
Try not to let your whole head burn up peeps
Restraint
Restraint is the word of the day!
Applies to transmissions, but not to farm equipment! ;-))
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: stlaser on March 26, 2018, 09:02:00 AM
A whole page of bs to get to the important last sentence..... ROFL, nearly spit my coffee out
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 26, 2018, 06:37:40 PM
OK, I did my homework
In the offering will be a modified Fleece CP3 pump kit that replaces the factory junk and eliminates a lot of junk

Since the Turbo will be out, although not completely necessary, mine would be just to pull it down to check things out.

For that reason I'm going to do a bigger single turbo as well. The one I picked has a separate pedestal which will make replacing the thing a relative breeze. Speaking to the turbo people, my setup will produce somewhere between 600-625HP with the actual components I have and possibly numbers north of that since I have manifolds and larger up-pipes.

The thing I will see that is written between the lines is way mo better driveability. THis new turbo will flash up much faster. hey said it builds boost more than twice as quickly and then builds to around 45 psi. Of course, I will not be able to use those numbers unless I hire a trash collection company to police up transmission parts I would be leaving.

But like I said in the autumn, following this will be a new trans and converter built to around the 800 HP standard which should get this truck done forever.

I'll post up details of the purchase in a wee bit after I finalize and sort everything out.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on March 26, 2018, 07:18:04 PM
 :popcorn:

More oil change......lol
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 26, 2018, 09:08:53 PM
I like the plan. Whats another 10k.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 26, 2018, 09:11:17 PM
I like the plan. Whats another 10k.
A lot of Money!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 27, 2018, 09:12:16 AM
OK, I did my homework
In the offering will be a modified Fleece CP3 pump kit that replaces the factory junk and eliminates a lot of junk

Since the Turbo will be out, although not completely necessary, mine would be just to pull it down to check things out.

For that reason I'm going to do a bigger single turbo as well. The one I picked has a separate pedestal which will make replacing the thing a relative breeze. Speaking to the turbo people, my setup will produce somewhere between 600-625HP with the actual components I have and possibly numbers north of that since I have manifolds and larger up-pipes.

The thing I will see that is written between the lines is way mo better driveability. THis new turbo will flash up much faster. hey said it builds boost more than twice as quickly and then builds to around 45 psi. Of course, I will not be able to use those numbers unless I hire a trash collection company to police up transmission parts I would be leaving.

But like I said in the autumn, following this will be a new trans and converter built to around the 800 HP standard which should get this truck done forever.

I'll post up details of the purchase in a wee bit after I finalize and sort everything out.
All sounds like an excuse to grenade that transmission me me. 


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 12:08:45 PM
OK, its on

Got all the parts ordered!

I will be doing a complete Fleece upgrade resulting in about 620HP rear wheel when completed

First will be the foundation of this build, a Fleece CP3K pump and kit. THis pump is a modified CP3. Apparently the stocker provides a lot of fuel for this motor, enough for 700-800 HP. But the stock CP3 starts to pull fuel out above 3000 RPM. Fleece modifies the pump to prevent this and allow the pump to provide all the fuel it can pump anywhere in the RPM curve.

Doing my homework, I discovered the reason the CP4.2 pump was undersized was due to a redesign of the fuel injectors found in the LML engines over previous versions of the Duramax. These new piezo-electric injectors could produce the same horsepower numbers while using less fuel. Therefore a CO4.2 pump which pumped less fuel was brought in.

That decision has proven to be a bad call by power plant engineers due to all the warranty claims surrounding the LML pump failure issues.

This FLeece completely cures that issue and builds the foundation for a lot more power, some of which I will be taking advantage of.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 12:21:40 PM
The factory turbo is a terrible design.

It mounts directly to the up-pipes making access to the six up-pipe bolts just horrible to get to. I mean it is really an awful job. I had to do it once when I removed the EGR, and again when I added the performance manifolds. But never again!

This new turbo mounts to a pedestal. So all I have to do once the awful factory unit is out, is to mount the pedestal, connect the two up-pipes to it, and snug all that down, then simply set the turbo onto four studs on the pedestal top...EASY!

So that is the issue for me, and with this mod, I can easily access the turbo in the future if I desire to go up another 100 hp down the line somewhere.

Another thing I like is the oil line. The factory turbo grabs oil from the valley galley and has hookups way in the back of the block, again not easy. Well all that business gets blocked off, and I simply pull a plug out of the side of the block, to access the main oil galley, then run a line up over the engine to the turbo. THe drain is a flexy silicone thing which additionally is easier to work on.

I think I'll be much happier with this new setup

The down pipe is different from the factory unit, but held by a similiar band clamp and is easier to access.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 12:28:06 PM
And I had surprising news talking to Jeff there today. I wanted to get them thinking about transmissions, and he immediately said with the LML allisons, it is not necessary, that these transmissions had hedl upwards of 800 HP!

I questioned that statement, but he held firm. He insisted that with EFI programming and an increase of line pressure, these transmissions were working at ridiculous horsepowers. He cautioned that pulling heavy and using all 600 HP could be counterproductive, however for light/medium towing and street driving, I should be fine.

I actually heard the same thing from the Canadian guys up at Motor Ops. They were running some big numbers on stock 2011 and newer transmissions. One was making near the 800 HP and had only changed the converter. His trans never failed, but on teardown, it was discovered to have had a few burned clutches, so it would be fair to say that in time it may have indeed failed

I have now heard this time and time again. THat the LML allison was leaps and bounds ahead of earlier versions and would hold the big numbers.

Now think of a guy like me who seldom if ever stands on the thing, and I think I'll just bolt in a good billet converter and be done with it.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 12:36:47 PM
And this purchase marks a change for this web site.

I have been looking at bringing on suppliers of the various things we are interested in. After some time, and talking to JD, the Ex-Air Force fireman who owns them, Diesel Ops will be that site go to supplier for all of you.

They already offer a 10% discount for veterans, but I believe if you call and talk to them, you may be able to negotiate some good prices.
Please keep in mine that markups are not all that much, but you may be able to save a few bucks

And soon, I'll include a link which has a cool prospect for me and this site. RealMan could earn a small bonus from the sales if they are large enough.

Remember how recently some of you offered up and paid the $571 web site bill this year? Well, what if I could just earn that from normal sales all of you would make anyway...I like that

And what about the Christmas giveaways??? We could possibly sow into that as well.

Finally JD may get involved in what we do here with interesting offers, I'll ask him if he has any promotional stuff he could offer when I post the link.

I am happy to find a guy and site like this, and although we will add others in time, JD and Diesel Ops gets to be the first...Watch for them to appear!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 28, 2018, 02:52:47 PM
That sounds like a sound setup all around, both for the Cmax and the site.

So this turbo is not VV? For sure you will need new tuning, we need a go to company for this too.

I have Idaho Rob tuning for mine, but never really been happy. better than stock but I hoped for more. Dave, who did yours?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 05:23:36 PM
I have NOTHING but good comments for those Motor Ops guys in Ontario. They will continue to peck away at your tune until you are happy.
They are using the stuff in their own trucks so you're looking at a great/proven baseline tune that you get to tweak.

And, No, I do not believe this turbo is a VVT design. I really didn't want one. I don't like the hissing, and I do not like how oil will eventually cause the moveable plate to stick. The couple of times I had the discharge pipe removed, I found oil in the volute section and in the silicone hose. That tells me the thing is seeping oil internally or pulling it in from somewhere, but whatever the case, my turbo is setting itself up for a future problem.

I have never had a problem with an old school turbo, and with everything being optimized, and substantial experience with my exact setup, this setup will likely run very well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 05:34:46 PM
So now comes the parts/tools collection time.

Today I picked up a new WIX primary filter (12 micron) and I will be replacing the Amsoil bypass oil filter for good. For now on, I will run a Cummins 5.9 oil filter with the same 1/16 thread only instead of using a $50 2 micron Amsoil filter, and leaving it there for 30,000 miles or more, which makes me very uncomfortable, I'll use a Wix in place of the bypass filter. With that, I would be good to empty it with the next oil change, then screw it back on for another 10,000 miles.

Additionally, I am switching to straight up Delvac 1300 15W-40 dino from synthetic. THe truth is I normally change everything at the regular cycle, so I have not benefited from using the long duration synthetic. Delvac 1300 can be used for 1.5 times a normal oil change cycle, so that fills out the bill for the survival aspect of a long duration oil. And best of all with m farm exemption, I buy a gallon of the Delvac for $12. I think a gallon of the synthetic stuff is $28-$29 so I am saving $51 in oil alone. and another $60 for the Wix vs the Amsoil filters.

Additionally, I picked up a gallon of dexicool, some thread sealant, loctite, and anti seize. A trip to the Harbor freight yielded a long magnetic cordless drop light light bar, and a good selection of nes metric and SAE hex sockets. Plan will be to take the old ones down to the farm to get another lifetime out of them.

Next up will be a complete cleaning of the garage/shop and a once over for the tools, and by the time I get that done, the good parts should be arriving.

Oh, and I picked up a heat blanket from Summit for the new down pipe, and plan to have the tune called into Motor Ops tomorrow.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 05:39:24 PM
And just so we have a record of the process, I have attached the pdf detailing the installation of the CP3
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 28, 2018, 07:27:57 PM
I had my tunes redone by Nate over at revco.   My tunes from starlite did ok but night and day.  But I am no stranger to the right peddle and never changing from my big tune.    So.  Nate did me a solid and tried some tuning to fix a issue.  Good dude def worth a phone call


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 08:00:41 PM
I had my tunes redone by Nate over at revco.   My tunes from starlite did ok but night and day.  But I am no stranger to the right peddle and never changing from my big tune.    So.  Nate did me a solid and tried some tuning to fix a issue.  Good dude def worth a phone call


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I really can't work with US based guys because of the truck being deleted...

Second point: I already paid to unlock the VIN, $150, which I would have to pay again

Third point: These guys in the Canada are as good as they get! They are ahead of the curve and have a huge following.

So why on earth would I want to change from a winner?????
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on March 28, 2018, 08:17:39 PM
sounds to me like LML Silverado Duramax C-Max Build Thread Part 4 is about to be locked and LML Silverado Duramax C-Max Build Thread Part 5 is about to commence?!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 28, 2018, 08:19:27 PM
What does being deleted have to do with it Don?  I run PPEI on my LML and they are next door in LA.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 08:57:46 PM
What does being deleted have to do with it Don?  I run PPEI on my LML and they are next door in LA.
Legalities...

It is illegal for US based tuners to provide anything that defeats emissions equipment I believe...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 28, 2018, 08:58:55 PM
sounds to me like LML Silverado Duramax C-Max Build Thread Part 4 is about to be locked and LML Silverado Duramax C-Max Build Thread Part 5 is about to commence?!
Give the man a C-Gar

You are about to be proven right!
Title: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: wyorunner on March 28, 2018, 09:06:28 PM
What does being deleted have to do with it Don?  I run PPEI on my LML and they are next door in LA.
Legalities...

It is illegal for US based tuners to provide anything that defeats emissions equipment I believe...

I believe they get around this by making the purchaser “sign” a note saying it is for race or OFFRoad purposes only.

By sign I mean you are required to check a box that says you understand the legalities and they cannot be held liable.

Otherwise I don’t think we’d see the number of tuners we do stateside.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Nate on March 28, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
So since i sold my LBZ and now own an L5P (?), i have done a bit of researching and have come to see that the illegal president we used to have signed some executive orders giving the EPA the powers to prosecute turner writers......
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: longball on March 28, 2018, 09:32:59 PM
I believe that’s what happened to Idaho Rob. My understanding is he’s no longer offering tunes.


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 28, 2018, 10:06:19 PM
Don, I don’t particularly have a favorite tuner at this point and it doesn’t affect me really who ya go with.

As for legality of the tune and so forth. What does it matter you have already broke he law by removing those parts. With that in mind don’t you live in the Tuck ? Who is gonna come check what tuning, emissions equip, you have on your truck any way.   

I would poke the bear and tell ya to buy American lol


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on March 29, 2018, 12:58:49 AM
Just don't drive through a state that checks. They do roadside checks here but I believe it is voluntary.

They also have DOT ride with CHP here and will do a visual. If they see something, you get towed and can't get it until you fix it.

I hate having to reload the stock tune for smog every other year, I hate this state!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 29, 2018, 07:14:10 AM

They also have DOT ride with CHP here and will do a visual. If they see something, you get towed and can't get it until you fix it.


I wish they would do that for people pulled over with no insurance.  Impound until you have proof of coverage. Would put a stop to a lot of uninsured motorist crap.

Cali, where they’ll kill you for polluting the environment but welcome illegal alien criminal killers with open arms!


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 29, 2018, 08:30:21 AM
That’s good info Jr.  I drive the truck out there and can’t tell ya how many times I blacked out the main freeway there in LA lol finding out I can get towed for it.  Lol oops


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 29, 2018, 08:48:55 AM
Don, I don’t particularly have a favorite tuner at this point and it doesn’t affect me really who ya go with.

As for legality of the tune and so forth. What does it matter you have already broke he law by removing those parts. With that in mind don’t you live in the Tuck ? Who is gonna come check what tuning, emissions equip, you have on your truck any way.   

I would poke the bear and tell ya to buy American lol


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Copy all Dave

But there is no reason to change from the motor ops guys

If I were to change right now, then I have to pay for the vin unlock with this new vendor $150 ish
Then I have to pay for the new tune..$125-$150

But staying with Motor Ops I only have to pay the $125, and I have a successful history with them.

You see, it makes no sense to change.

And regarding the emissions stuff. Should I suddenly change to a US tuner, well I have to sign some form that says, yea, I know this is wrong...A form that maybe could be inspected by one of Obamas boys?
Staying in the Canada doesn't even open that door.

And I don't know if you have noticed or not, but the Canadians are making tons of really good high quality stuff, unlike the America that I stood the line for which imports a ton of chinese junk along with a smattering of expensive US made stuff.

I for one like what Canada offers, and I am staying with that company for a lot of good reasons.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:35:59 PM
Getting ready for the big conversion

Game one was to get the garage in shape for the project.

Remember work axion #1: To be able to work, one must first work.

The shop needs to be straightened up, tables organized, tools accounted for, adjustments made, and a decent wash down. Having done about 75% of that today, I spent some time on general maintenance. The truck got a partial chassis lube, a windshield wiper change, some fluids topped, tire air pressure adjusted, and then I got busy on the back end.

Nate had asked for some pics of inside the topper. so I was going to straighten that up, when I realized I had never hooked up the topper lighting!

Here's a shot of the inside. Remember I have been transporting pups and materials in there all winter long, so it is due a through cleaning.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
I'll be hooking up the high mount brake light, then on to the interior LED lamps
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:39:56 PM
I ran the supplied harness from the drivers battery along the left frame rail, then up into the topper, along the inside rail of the topper, then just plugged it into a light. Punching the on button made light for the first time
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:41:13 PM
Then it was back to a bit more shop cleaning. I decided to finally weld some pegs onto the tubing bender and hang all the dies and stuff on it where it belongs:
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:42:26 PM
Here's the HF LED drop light bar thing I'll attach to the underside of the truck's hood to illuminate the work area for the pump change
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:46:18 PM
Next, I ran another wiring harness into the frontside of the left taillight, and attaching same to the trucks brake light circuit. In a jiffy, that was done and I had what I think is a needed third brake light. My spare tire partially blocks the right rail light so the extra light will be people friendly

Then I started the addition of some new LED backup lamps. I have been having difficulty with the factory lights and seeing where that trailer is going when I get home at night with it. I have to back the trailer into the driveway and that has resulted in the death of a lot of shrubbery!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:47:22 PM
I'm going to mount them in the topper access doors up high where they will be very effective
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:48:30 PM
I created a template for the hole to fit the lamps, then carefully marked it all out, then cut the holes.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:49:07 PM
Then I checked the fit of the lamp
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:50:10 PM
I had to do some decal scraping before adding in the thread-serts
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:52:47 PM
The whole back of the topper is going to get a repaint. Those spots are from diesel fuel sloshing about. THe stains are permanent and in need of a total repaint!

Next the holes were drilled in two stages, 1/8" then 1/4"
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:54:40 PM
Then I installed the nut-serts, a #10/24 size, and then installed some screws.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:55:39 PM
I think that is a stealthy install...
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:56:44 PM
I burned the LED interior lights in the topper for hours. Into the night they were throwing some decent light!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2018, 09:57:57 PM
And that's where I left it all at about 2030 in what was turning out to be a chilly evening
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 30, 2018, 10:35:26 PM
Looks good.    I expected some shelving inside the topper,   Let’s see some nighttime shots of those new found back up lights


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2018, 09:04:41 AM
Looks good.    I expected some shelving inside the topper,   Let’s see some nighttime shots of those new found back up lights


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OK, just as soon as I get them wired in, which may be as early as today
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 31, 2018, 09:11:59 AM
I have similar lights in the bumper of the bus. Very effective.  Once you use them you’ll want them on everything. Even the GJ


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on March 31, 2018, 09:13:23 AM
I have similar lights in the bumper of the bus. Very effective.  Once you use them you’ll want them on everything. Even the GJ


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 02, 2018, 01:44:22 PM
Update: I talked with Jeff at Diesel Ops today.

HE called Fleece Diesel to check on my parts. Apparently Fleece actually spins up each turbo kit to ensure the units produce the airflow they advertise. Mine is getting spun today and will likely ship to me tomorrow or Wednesday.

The CP3 kit is nearly completed. There was a national backorder of Cp3 pumps, but Fleece got a shipment Saturday. My pump is currently torn down so they can modify it to remove the 3K defuelling issue. Following reassemble, it, too, will be shipped to me. I'd suspect getting something on deck next week.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 02, 2018, 03:06:56 PM
Second Update: Talked to Tristen up at Motor-Ops. He has all the tune parameters and will be building the tunes along with a couple other of his associates for the new upgrades.

I really like these guys from the frozen glaciers north of the US somewhere. Just good folks with a willing attitude and their tune which I have been running for some time are just great.

One thing T mentioned to me that settled in was how the EPA was coming after our popular tuners. He said that he thought that Idaho Rob had been fined $20 million which effectively shut him down for life. So if you think about it, if you want to get a tune from someone who won't mysteriously disappear in the middle of the night, go north of the border. And up there, these guys are #1, again double tapping on my assertion that Motor Ops is a great place for tunes
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Bear9350 on April 02, 2018, 04:02:15 PM
Closer to $96,000 from the legal documents I was looking over.  It wasn't just the tunes that got him in trouble.  They had all the delete kits, aftermarket exhaust etc.. that he offered for sale also itemized.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: KensAuto on April 02, 2018, 04:28:34 PM
ATP (Idaho Rob) was fined almost $95k, and promised to never sell tuners, delete kits, or exhaust from now on. The court docs say that they only fined him that amount because that's all he could afford. (which I find interesting)
Just a matter of time before we all have to go to Canada for tunes, and that's if the gooberment doesn't start to force mandatory emissions testing country wide here shortly. :(

edit: Dang you Bear!!!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 02, 2018, 08:00:28 PM
OK, $96K it is...
I was just repeating hearsay which as I just demonstrated, can be pretty hazardous!

My Bad!
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 03, 2018, 08:56:07 AM
Ken that’s probably all he could afford. Running a 9 second diesel drag truck is muy expensive!!! :eek


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Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 04, 2018, 02:20:29 AM
Well, with hearing our current admin is actually cutting back on some things we maybe safe for as long as these trucks last.

Don, need to get the contact info form you for them. Not happy with what I have and maybe they can do a VW so it shows OK when checked, but runs the way I want otherwise.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Sammconn on April 04, 2018, 09:59:55 AM
You’re going to like the new lights there chief.

Look like what I and a few others have.
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 04, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
Well, with hearing our current admin is actually cutting back on some things we maybe safe for as long as these trucks last.

Don, need to get the contact info form you for them. Not happy with what I have and maybe they can do a VW so it shows OK when checked, but runs the way I want otherwise.
JR,

Talk to Tristen or Steve, or, just about anyone there

http://motorops.ca/
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 04, 2018, 09:48:28 PM
You’re going to like the new lights there chief.

Look like what I and a few others have.
Been busy...haven't wired them up yet

Was thinking of putting a couple in the bumper as well
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: JR on April 07, 2018, 04:22:18 AM
Well, with hearing our current admin is actually cutting back on some things we maybe safe for as long as these trucks last.

Don, need to get the contact info form you for them. Not happy with what I have and maybe they can do a VW so it shows OK when checked, but runs the way I want otherwise.
JR,

Talk to Tristen or Steve, or, just about anyone there

http://motorops.ca/

Already found the sight, but thanks. Little rich for my blood at the moment with my build, but I'll get there.

Your still running DSP5 or just a straight tune?
Title: Re: LML Silverado Duramax C-Max build thread part 4
Post by: Flyin6 on April 07, 2018, 12:27:04 PM
Well, with hearing our current admin is actually cutting back on some things we maybe safe for as long as these trucks last.

Don, need to get the contact info form you for them. Not happy with what I have and maybe they can do a VW so it shows OK when checked, but runs the way I want otherwise.
JR,

Talk to Tristen or Steve, or, just about anyone there

http://motorops.ca/

Already found the sight, but thanks. Little rich for my blood at the moment with my build, but I'll get there.

Your still running DSP5 or just a straight tune?
I use the DSP5 with multiple tunes, but am always running around in tune 3, "Light towing"
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