Author Topic: Hide/Bug-out site construction thread, Part 2 (Read 223937 times)

Bear9350 · « **Reply #100 on:** March 16, 2016, 08:15:33 AM »

I don't think a jointer would be appropriate for 2x4 and plywood shelving and tables. If you are going to start making some cabinets out of hardwood lumber and are thinking about not leaving the drywall screws exposed in the trim work then a jointer works great for some wicked strong joints.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #101 on:** March 16, 2016, 11:50:05 AM »

Quote from: Bear9350 on March 16, 2016, 08:15:33 AM

I don't think a jointer would be appropriate for 2x4 and plywood shelving and tables. If you are going to start making some cabinets out of hardwood lumber and are thinking about not leaving the drywall screws exposed in the trim work then a jointer works great for some wicked strong joints.

There isn't going to be a lot of finish work in the shed or future cabin down there.

I once built a timber frame house in Tennessee. I just trimmed it out in rough sawn western cedar. Then nailed the pieces in place for a rustic look. Worked well.

This shed will very likely be trimmed out in barn wood off the old barn, a chicken coop and whatever else I find on my land (Which is not completely explored yet!) Trim like that begs for nail heads or screw heads showing.

And this is a bug out site meant to sustain life, albeit a frontier style life, not the suburban setting thing.

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #102 on:** March 16, 2016, 06:12:14 PM »

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Four and three and two and one. When I'm on the Mic the suckas run !!!

Anyone!??

Raising boys into RealMen!!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #103 on:** March 19, 2016, 03:53:44 PM »

So to start off I did some CRO (Carnage Recovery Operations). You will remember the bush hog, having mowed hundreds of trees and boulders had bent the drive shaft into a lazy letter "U"

So I fixed it!

Yup, pulled the offending parts apart, straightened (Sort-of) the big end and replaced the junked up skinny piece

Flyin6 · « **Reply #104 on:** March 19, 2016, 03:54:48 PM »

With that bend it had a significant vibration in it!

But J-D made the thing with a roll pin...imagine that!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #105 on:** March 19, 2016, 03:56:53 PM »

The yoke has the same circle with two ribs-recess and the shaft is a press fit, so roll pin or no, the thing will stay together. But the roll pin just adds the required added aggravation necessary in agricultural operations!

If you look hard you can see the difference between the bad and good shafts!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #106 on:** March 19, 2016, 03:58:23 PM »

All mended and settin' pretty in my Armee trailer

The trailer, btw, is being loaded for upcoming farm operations

Flyin6 · « **Reply #107 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:00:13 PM »

Some hours later, we arrive at FOB NightStalker!

Actually after spending the night in the camper with the pre-rangers, I thought of renaming the place Night-Stinker!"

Flyin6 · « **Reply #108 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:02:27 PM »

First up was work, followed by some more work, then trash burning, then evening work, then F&F (Food and Fatigue operations)

Here are the 16 sheets of 2/4 T&G plywood for the second floor which were stacked outside but had to migrate inside

Flyin6 · « **Reply #109 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:03:51 PM »

Then the cabinet was placed against it's wall

Flyin6 · « **Reply #110 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:05:38 PM »

Then all manner of things were shoved into the cavity of that shed.

I'm looking for something roughly 3%-4% of what Norm stores in one of his barns!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #111 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:07:48 PM »

Then the work benches were screwed together, and screwed to the walls which significantly tightened up things inside there.

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #112 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:09:35 PM »

Looks great. Are you going to be treating the inside of the shed with anything? At one point I read reclaimed barn wood for the inside decor. Insulation type?

Raising boys into RealMen!!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #113 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:11:00 PM »

We burned that big pile of rubbish outside and organized everything and with steady rain beating down, threw in the towel. The next project was going to be the construction of a stone wall which I'd use to level up the ground outside of the double door, but with things slicking up again, we were done.

We did spend the night there, and except for two competing packs of Coyotes howlin' up a storm, it was pretty peaceful out there.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #114 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:12:30 PM »

Quote from: Bigdave_185 on March 19, 2016, 04:09:35 PM

Looks great. Are you going to be treating the inside of the shed with anything? At one point I read reclaimed barn wood for the inside decor. Insulation type?

Raising boys into RealMen!!

Nothing here in the "Shop Room" but inside the walled off room to come and the upstairs, I'll insulate it and probably use the barn wood to create an insect laden environment!

stlaser · « **Reply #115 on:** March 19, 2016, 04:15:44 PM »

That bottom pic looks like a whole mess of trouble headed your way in the near future!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #116 on:** March 19, 2016, 06:14:51 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on March 19, 2016, 04:15:44 PM

That bottom pic looks like a whole mess of trouble headed your way in the near future!

Good thing is we die finally and go on to heaven!

They age good young men. Say yes sir, no mam. Open doors for ladies. No harsh language, yada-yada. They will rebel, likely, but teach them in the ways of the Lord, and in time, they will return. This farm is theirs someday, so I'm running up their sweat-equity accounts big time right now!
You'd be amazed how much work I can get out of them for a single doughnut or an hour of violent video gaming!

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #117 on:** March 19, 2016, 06:20:11 PM »

I want to know what they think or say when dad steps back and asks them to pose for a photo ?

Raising boys into RealMen!!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #118 on:** March 19, 2016, 06:21:29 PM »

Quote from: Bigdave_185 on March 19, 2016, 06:20:11 PM

I want to know what they think or say when dad steps back and asks them to pose for a photo ?

Raising boys into RealMen!!

They're cool about it. They know I'm sending mom and the sisters a copy, which will lead to a bunch of family fun!

Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #119 on:** March 19, 2016, 06:28:30 PM »

My kids will take selfies but run from someone with a camera

Raising boys into RealMen!!

Sammconn · « **Reply #120 on:** March 19, 2016, 10:17:42 PM »

A buddy of mine said "Work with your kids, not with your back" and I see you do the same. Lol.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #121 on:** March 20, 2016, 09:14:26 AM »

Quote from: Sammconn on March 19, 2016, 10:17:42 PM

A buddy of mine said "Work with your kids, not with your back" and I see you do the same. Lol.

Wise man, your buddy!

I believe hard work and challenges build a good man
Tired men sleep at night when mischief is out...
Hard work builds the body physically
Accomplishing tasks that seem too big at first teaches accomplishment
Work creates opportunities to teach how tools can help
Work keeps one from being idle
You tend to eat at regular times
You feel good after a hard day of work
You can usually look at something you created or changed
It builds in a sense of ownership...The boys will look back decades at something they built as a child
It connects you to the earth and nature
It's fun
It shows you by working you can stay warm when it's cold outside
God created us to work with our hands, so you are practicing his plan for your life

OldKooT · « **Reply #122 on:** March 20, 2016, 10:59:19 AM »

The place is looking good Don...way fancier than my old barn for sure. (YOU CAN SEE YOUR FLOOR AND STUFF EVEN)

I am about to embark on a "fort/playhouse" for the grandkids. I am already planning to put them to work helping build it. They are 2 and 4 years old..and their Mom declared they can't use the nail guns and stuff. Hammers it is......

Flyin6 · « **Reply #123 on:** March 20, 2016, 12:20:27 PM »

Quote from: OldKooT on March 20, 2016, 10:59:19 AM

The place is looking good Don...way fancier than my old barn for sure. (YOU CAN SEE YOUR FLOOR AND STUFF EVEN)

I am about to embark on a "fort/playhouse" for the grandkids. I am already planning to put them to work helping build it. They are 2 and 4 years old..and their Mom declared they can't use the nail guns and stuff. Hammers it is......

Hammers are good, but those nail guns are our new automatic weapons after Hillary removes the 2nd amendment

Wilbur · « **Reply #124 on:** March 20, 2016, 01:14:32 PM »

Looking good Don! And great for the pre-Rangers too. Good memories with their Dad.

Flyin6 · « **Reply #125 on:** March 20, 2016, 01:55:10 PM »

Quote from: Wilbur on March 20, 2016, 01:14:32 PM

Looking good Don! And great for the pre-Rangers too. Good memories with their Dad.

Roger that!

Figuring up the second deck framing at the moment...

stlaser · « **Reply #126 on:** March 20, 2016, 03:00:14 PM »

Did you end up with 9' side walls?

Flyin6 · « **Reply #127 on:** March 20, 2016, 03:54:50 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on March 20, 2016, 03:00:14 PM

Did you end up with 9' side walls?

Yes

stlaser · « **Reply #128 on:** March 20, 2016, 04:47:04 PM »

Working from memory here, structure is 16' wide I think. 2x12 x16' if you want no interior support wall in middle (my preference) notch ends of top side of 2x12 & insert this on top of 2x4 or 6 (can't recall what exterior walls were) that is scabbed to wall studs. In essence you have the end of the 2x12 wedged in between the support below & the exterior wall upper sil plate. All the exterior wall studs are now double width adding strength & supporting upper free span loft. If you wanted interior support wall you could drop to 2x10' or even 2x8's most likely if support wall is centered up in building. Either way this should get you 8' standard ceiling height bottom floor & then whatever up top.....

Dawg25385 · « **Reply #129 on:** March 20, 2016, 04:48:18 PM »

I bet those boys are having a blast building with you...

I am pretty handy... Way more so with building and stuff around the house, than with automotive stuff.

People ask me, esp knowing I have a desk job, "where'd you learn all this stuff?"

"My dad."

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Flyin6 · « **Reply #130 on:** March 20, 2016, 06:19:18 PM »

Quote from: stlaser on March 20, 2016, 04:47:04 PM

Working from memory here, structure is 16' wide I think. 2x12 x16' if you want no interior support wall in middle (my preference) notch ends of top side of 2x12 & insert this on top of 2x4 or 6 (can't recall what exterior walls were) that is scabbed to wall studs. In essence you have the end of the 2x12 wedged in between the support below & the exterior wall upper sil plate. All the exterior wall studs are now double width adding strength & supporting upper free span loft. If you wanted interior support wall you could drop to 2x10' or even 2x8's most likely if support wall is centered up in building. Either way this should get you 8' standard ceiling height bottom floor & then whatever up top.....

12's would definately be strong, but all I need is 2 X 10's.

I used the calculator to determine floor loading limits and I could not approach them on a 10, so it is more than adequate. Using a sofa. I figured 700 pounds assuming three large American people were sitting on my heavy Italian sofa. I still had a couple hundred pounds to spare.

Another consideration is the loss of 2" height in that confined upper space. I need it all!

I'm setting the ceiling height in the lower shop at a low 7'. Not much space considering a smaller tractor with a roll bar or something like that.

This is only the next evolutionary step in the hide site build out. It will serve a purpose, housing people in an emergency temporarily, but will become extra space and storage when the real cabin goes in later on

stlaser · « **Reply #131 on:** March 20, 2016, 10:55:02 PM »

Copy, I tend to over build!

TexasRedNeck · « **Reply #132 on:** March 21, 2016, 01:01:51 AM »

Quote from: Bigdave_185 on March 16, 2016, 06:12:14 PM

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Four and three and two and one. When I'm on the Mic the suckas run !!!

Anyone!??

Raising boys into RealMen!!
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Beastie Boys. Nice DOT

Don your shed/shop/house is looking good!!

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Bigdave_185 · « **Reply #133 on:** March 21, 2016, 04:23:49 PM »

Thanks Tex. Someone listens to my rambles

Raising boys into RealMen!!

JR · « **Reply #134 on:** March 21, 2016, 09:37:54 PM »

Overbuilding is always good. When I had my garage inspected the guy was very happy.

Think on your 7ft ceiling a little. I had just under a 8' in my old garage and it always was an issue with almost any wood in 8ft lengths. You don't think about it, you just start to flip and you get stuck. If it is a sheet of wood, you can really get messed up.

I would suggest screws for everything to.

stlaser · « **Reply #135 on:** March 21, 2016, 09:44:49 PM »

I agree on screws & was going to say as such earlier but it definitely slows down a project driving screws. That & Don has his heart set on a new nail gun.....

Dawg25385 · « **Reply #136 on:** March 21, 2016, 09:51:03 PM »

Think he said In another thread he was buyin 3.5" Galvanized ring shanks for the nailer. Dang near screws, those suckers ain't comin out

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Flyin6 · « **Reply #137 on:** March 22, 2016, 09:11:37 AM »

Quote from: Dawg25385 on March 21, 2016, 09:51:03 PM

Think he said In another thread he was buyin 3.5" Galvanized ring shanks for the nailer. Dang near screws, those suckers ain't comin out

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Yep, I purchased 10 gage 3 1/2" and 2 1/2" ring shank nails. My experience with them is they do not come out...at all!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #138 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:07:25 PM »

The place is still looking good, well "Good" being a relative term!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #139 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:08:53 PM »

I cleaned up the burn pile area with some rough grading and built a high quality set of steps for the front door!

Well, one of those statements is true!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #140 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:12:34 PM »

I purchased a 10" sliding miter saw from Lowes to permanently keep down at the Farm, while I keep the 12" DeWalt unit here
The pneumatic nailer came pretty much assembled, although set up for the 21 degree nails. I purchased 34 degree framing nails so I had to switch that all around. It was a simple three step process and the nail gun ran flawlessly driving a few hundred nails today

Flyin6 · « **Reply #141 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:13:58 PM »

The miter saw screws right to the bench and has a neat slot to hold the blade nut wrench

Flyin6 · « **Reply #142 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:16:03 PM »

I had as a goal today, while working by myself, to get the band boards up and the dividing wall framed in and the door hung.

First I nailed up joist hangers to the 2 X 10 SYP Band board on the front and back walls

Flyin6 · « **Reply #143 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:17:54 PM »

Because I have a staircase going up the side of that dividing wall, I made that side ten feet long

stlaser · « **Reply #144 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:18:40 PM »

Nice! ;)

Flyin6 · « **Reply #145 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:19:27 PM »

Not many people use blocking anymore. I, however do!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #146 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:20:18 PM »

The band board nails in everywhere and also rests on that newly constructed wall

Flyin6 · « **Reply #147 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:22:55 PM »

I normally just frame out the door opening, but this time I just set it while I built the opposite wall. It's all shimmed and installed correctly. I even took the center screws out of the hinge and ran some 3" #10 screws through the existing hole and into the framing itself.

The door was el cheapo. Cost me $55 out the door (Get it? Out the door!?!)

Flyin6 · « **Reply #148 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:24:35 PM »

The using all sorts of aids I shoved the other 2 X 10 X 12's up, leveled them and nailed them home. The latter didn't get their joist hangars yet, but they are coming!

Flyin6 · « **Reply #149 on:** March 23, 2016, 09:26:44 PM »

I'll nail a patch over the section where two boards meet, but after hanging the joists...

It took quite a bit of time, but I did manage to get all of the band up and ready for hangers