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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2019, 08:34:28 PM »
Found a spot to collect some of my old Army and contractor patches...

And a new one...
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2019, 08:37:16 PM »
I picked up another estwig hatchet/axe. This one should get the job done for tapping in ground pegs and chopping and splitting wood for the evening fire.

I mounted it on some velcro blocks I placed on the aft pillar opposite the flashlight
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2019, 08:39:12 PM »
I kind of wanted to start on the Dana 80 axle, but I was working broken periods around running the pre-Ranger here and there. So I made up the front supports for the roof rack. I plan to install a couple of Nut-serts into the roof and bolt into those.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2019, 08:40:53 PM »
I figure I'll just tap out the bottom hole in the extruded tubing and bolt into that from the roof just aft of the windshield. That should make for a clean limb riser the way I have it all angled
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2019, 08:45:00 PM »
I calculate that I will have room for a decent sized roof basket.

The tent is 76" wide. I'd set it right on the aft rib so it would only take up the 76". Give it say 3" to have room to work around it, so I'd eat up 79" of space. Fudge in another 1" and call it an even 80" out of a rack that is 114" long. That's 34" of rail to mount something.

I am currently looking for a roof basket that is 30-32" long and 48" wide. If I find one and buy it right, it will be showing up on that rack right after the tent gets attached.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2019, 09:51:53 PM »
Well, I just found a smittybilt 48" X 48" bolt together unit made from 1" .120" wall tubing with 4" tall sides.

I noticed that it is broken down in three sections

My thought is to leave the center section out and bolt the front and back together into something hopefully just under three feet.

I need this to store the camp chairs and the annex room and possibly a camp potty/tent.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #56 on: March 28, 2019, 09:02:32 PM »
I charged the battery to 100%, hit the key and on the second-third revolution it fired right up!

The lifters were clacking for a few seconds, then it settled down to an idle.

It has that classic 60's muscle car idle. Choppy but not lopey. It warmed up and settled into a 650 RPM idle that just sounds good. The Magnaflow muffler is doing a good job of keeping things toned down, but it definitely has a nice rumble and a good bark when you blip the throttle. I think the added compression made for a faster pickup when leading in with the pedal.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2019, 09:04:32 PM »
Nice, glad to hear it fired up and sounds good.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2019, 09:06:13 PM »
I allowed it to cool and topped the fluids. It took two more quarts of transmission fluid to get a low stick indication and maybe 1.5 quarts of Dexi-cool to top up the cooling system. I'll work on the transmission fluid level when I have a drivetrain and I can shift it into gear.

Next up I punched two holes into the roof and pulled in 1/4" nutserts. For some strange reason, neither of them fastened well. One stood proud and one turned after crimping. I had to remove both and pull two new ones. Those worked fine
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2019, 09:07:27 PM »
Nice, glad to hear it fired up and sounds good.


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Yea, those 243 heads and the new vinci cam makes a whole new motor out of what was an LQ4. I guess it no longer is a LQ4, but something of a hybrid at this point.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2019, 09:08:39 PM »
I painted them low gloss black and allowed the paint to harden then secured everything.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2019, 09:11:18 PM »
I picked up a rubber mat for the cooler. I plan to affix a drain hose to it with a valve and install a couple of tie downs to secure it and call that done as well.

The inside was still cool despite my having drained it yesterday and there was actually a couple small pieces of ice remaining!! I'm just two days short of two weeks and it is still cool! That is some kind of cooler!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2019, 09:12:26 PM »
I haven't made all the connections, but the step retracted anyway. I like how well this one tucks into the body
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2019, 09:13:55 PM »
So, now it is Axle time. I started the teardown of the mongo full floater. It did not come apart easily!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2019, 09:15:08 PM »
But piece by piece, it did yield to the mighty wrench
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2019, 09:17:04 PM »
The axles are 35 spline and came out easily, held in place with 1/2" (Head size)12 point fasteners.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2019, 09:19:17 PM »
The hubs had no moisture inside, only 18 year old grease. They came apart easily

I'll clean them up and replace the seals, clean and paint, oh and new studs, but that will be the extent of it
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #67 on: March 28, 2019, 09:22:12 PM »
My plan for the brakes is to just reuse the stuff from the the semi-floater stock 14 bolt

To find out if I had a swap potential. I needed to tear down the stocker as well.

Initial measurements are all coming out the same as stock. Spring pad, width, and bolt hole c-c distances on the axle flanges.

The stocker also came apart easily. A lot easier than the mutant axle
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #68 on: March 28, 2019, 09:23:43 PM »
JR really likes this axle, and except for the C-Clip, I can see why. The ring gear is of a decent sixe and the axles start big, but step down, a weight savings measure, no doubt
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #69 on: March 28, 2019, 09:25:33 PM »
This flange is identical to the one on the mutant axle. That means there is a possibility of the brake swap becoming a reality
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #70 on: March 28, 2019, 09:26:49 PM »
So I slid them onto the mutant axle to see if I had something good or was off back into the invention mode
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #71 on: March 28, 2019, 09:29:31 PM »
The mutant axle tubes have a small step up in diameter. The backing plates slid over the first part, but not over the second slightly larger diameter part.

On close examination, I noticed the backing plate is bolded into the axle tube opening and reduces the diameter a little bit. I am thinking I can remove that folded part and maybe,  just maybe, make it to the next step of fitting it all up.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #72 on: March 28, 2019, 09:31:00 PM »
I dropped it onto my axle dolly where the bulk of the work will take place.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #73 on: March 28, 2019, 09:32:04 PM »
Really happy with how this is coming together
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #74 on: March 28, 2019, 09:34:59 PM »
I need a lot of compartmented storage options. Thinking about it, I decided to build myself a post office style letter bin with various sizes of spaces. A rolled up towel in one, some plastic and paper ware in another. I will make it so that it is not intrusive but takes advantage of that deep window well.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #75 on: March 28, 2019, 11:19:59 PM »
I painted them low gloss black and allowed the paint to harden then secured everything.
Unless I missed it you don’t have any gasket or sealant on that nutsert?

I would highly recommend a foam gasket or a big ugly glop of silicone....


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #76 on: March 28, 2019, 11:47:09 PM »
We also would like a video or a sound clip.   This vehicle motor runs and idles.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #77 on: March 29, 2019, 05:39:18 PM »
D,  late on the package drop but it went out today. Should be there mid week.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #78 on: March 29, 2019, 09:51:01 PM »
I painted them low gloss black and allowed the paint to harden then secured everything.
Unless I missed it you don’t have any gasket or sealant on that nutsert?

I would highly recommend a foam gasket or a big ugly glop of silicone....


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I didn't write about it, but the "nut" itself is sealed with silicone, and the foot of the tube has a closed cell foam gasket I glued to it.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #79 on: March 29, 2019, 09:53:34 PM »
We also would like a video or a sound clip.   This vehicle motor runs and idles.


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Yea, I tried, but the vid did not show up. The "Old" camera I just purchased stopped working so I had to buy another one, this time back to a Cannon EOS and I guess I don't know how to shoot video. I thought I pulled two 20 sec clips of the idle, but apparently I didn't.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #80 on: March 29, 2019, 11:28:03 PM »
We also would like a video or a sound clip.   This vehicle motor runs and idles.


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Yea, I tried, but the vid did not show up. The "Old" camera I just purchased stopped working so I had to buy another one, this time back to a Cannon EOS and I guess I don't know how to shoot video. I thought I pulled two 20 sec clips of the idle, but apparently I didn't.
Get a kid to video it on a I phone and than upload to YouTube than install link


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2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2019, 12:35:26 AM »
Commas and decimal points are really important. Especially in finance


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And I believe if it’s less than qty 10, you’re supposed to spell it out ;)

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Edit: didn’t realize I was replying to a three day old post, otherwise I wouldn’t have brought it back up.


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2019, 08:34:33 AM »
Commas and decimal points are really important. Especially in finance


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And I believe if it’s less than qty 10, you’re supposed to spell it out ;)

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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2019, 02:17:47 PM »
OK, caught up now but you need to tell us a new thread is going!

Glad that is fired right up, all the parts work!

I agree on the comma and number stuff, was taught that writing reports and it just works.

That would be cool if those brakes work. I will still take a FF over the SF anytime, just the 9.5SF is not a bad rear if you have a 1/2 ton.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2019, 08:46:43 PM »
OK, caught up now but you need to tell us a new thread is going!

Glad that is fired right up, all the parts work!

I agree on the comma and number stuff, was taught that writing reports and it just works.

That would be cool if those brakes work. I will still take a FF over the SF anytime, just the 9.5SF is not a bad rear if you have a 1/2 ton.

I would have used the SF stocker and I think with just a 35" tire and the stall converter I used, I might have gotten away with the 4.10 gear, but with this axle and a 4.88, I know I will be fully setup for whatever power level or tire size I go to eventually.

I do believe the truck will end up on 37's with a supercharged stroker of a D-max and either way, that mutant FF will handle it in spades.

Glad to have ya here!
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2019, 11:34:48 PM »
I'm not arguing about the upgrade. I mean a fluid change is just that,,,,,

Funny but you talking to Dave about the shackle flip vs the blocks is why I went with new springs (deavers).

For towing and heavy loads the stock hanger setup has the advantage. Stock hangers will be more stable as the load is in tension and naturally stays stable. With a flip it is twisting on the rear hangers, shackles and there is a torsional load on everything. Still not a bad setup even for the heavy Sub. No blocks either is a plus.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #86 on: March 31, 2019, 08:22:14 AM »
JR, I'm trying to understand what you are getting at with the flip.  the shackle is under compression instead of tension.  Help me understand the torsional load and why its not good for heavy loads?  I'm contemplating the flip for the Bus
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #87 on: March 31, 2019, 02:54:10 PM »
RN- I have done this before. On a Tundra. Granted I did not tow with it, but I found the handling on par with what you'd expect from a lifted truck.
I think the torsional load JR is talking about may be due to axle flex.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #88 on: March 31, 2019, 10:11:49 PM »
Found this article interesting regarding the shackle flip and towing stability. You might already know all this, but I picked up some tidbits I didn’t know.
https://ck5.com/forums/threads/shackle-flip-stability.23402/


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2019, 10:29:38 PM »
Well, I'll be the test pilot, because at some point this Burb is going to tow.

Reading the roller coaster story, one thing I gleaned from it was the guy went cheap. Old saggy springs, poor shocks, essentially he didn't do anything right.

My setup:
Fox 2" shocks
Supplemental Air bags
Possibly, I'll be running a rear sway bar
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Possibly I may use that track bar

I am really considering the track bar because I drove around in those vehicles in Baghdad and Kirkuk. They handled pretty well for as much as they weighed. That track bar will keep the vehicle centered over the axle as long as I get it installed flat when the truck is resting on its suspension with a load.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #90 on: March 31, 2019, 10:32:32 PM »
So, it's Sunday and I didn't want to get into anything super serious right after Church, so I started on the storage bin cabinet thing for the right rear window recess.

I'll make in in such a way as to be completely removable and nor require any holes to be drilled in this pristine example.

I see two feet anchoring it into the storage trays.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #91 on: March 31, 2019, 10:33:38 PM »
Starting with cardboard templates, I created the feet out of good old Kentucky hardwood (Walnut)
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« Reply #92 on: March 31, 2019, 10:34:37 PM »
Then some legs to get me up on top of the body trim
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #93 on: March 31, 2019, 10:35:45 PM »
From there I get to the base of the first wide shelf.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #94 on: March 31, 2019, 10:37:06 PM »
Then the same process to get me to the roof with several vertical supports
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #95 on: March 31, 2019, 10:42:01 PM »
Now the idea is to create many compartments to store a myriad of things. One compartment may have paper towels, another plates and flatwear, or some cups, still another the baby wipes, mosquito candle or who knows what.

The shelves are angled down at 10 degrees toward the back to keep things from sliding all over. I'll finish it with some means of securing all the junk safely in the bins

So, next, I carried it down to the shop to start gluing and screwing. I have added the top and another vertical. Plan to see it get all boxy and house a bunch of things in a semi organized state.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #96 on: March 31, 2019, 11:25:25 PM »
Any possibility to putting that set up on a sing out hinge? Like your tire carrier?  Swing it out back so you don’t have to climb inside

Is this bar doors or drop gate?


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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #97 on: March 31, 2019, 11:25:43 PM »
Any possibility to putting that set up on a sing out hinge? Like your tire carrier?  Swing it out back so you don’t have to climb inside

Is this barn doors or drop gate?


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2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #98 on: April 01, 2019, 12:50:50 AM »
Any possibility to putting that set up on a sing out hinge? Like your tire carrier?  Swing it out back so you don’t have to climb inside

Is this barn doors or drop gate?


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Dave, it’s a one piece vertical rising hatch... I think this is what you’re referring to. As far as I have seen that was and is the only option on his model through to today.

I believe the generation of burb before his had the rear gate options. The excursions  of
The early 2000s had different options as well.  I might be wrong in all this as it’s just from personal experience in both rigs.
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Re: 2002 Suburban 2500 build thread, Part 3
« Reply #99 on: April 01, 2019, 07:41:05 AM »
To my knowledge it was offered all the way to 06.   Rumor mill said they stopped the option because of the blind spot in the back but.... you could still do a split gate and a solid window.  Hybrid type of option





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