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Title: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 22, 2015, 01:04:20 PM
If you have a precision rifle ( bolt or semi auto) you are proud of and would like to share, here's a place to post it up. Tell us about it, got some cool pics of it? Let's see those as well.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: CHEVSILVER1500 on November 22, 2015, 09:12:46 PM
Purchased the Ruger precision rifle in 6.5 creedmoor a couple weeks ago. No pics yet as I have not shot it or anything yet other than un-box it and make it cozy in the safe awaiting optics. (Ordered a vortex razor hd gen2 4.5-27x56mm mrad today). Still need to figure out ring height and decide which rings to go with.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 23, 2015, 03:27:49 AM
Purchased the Ruger precision rifle in 6.5 creedmoor a couple weeks ago. No pics yet as I have not shot it or anything yet other than un-box it and make it cozy in the safe awaiting optics. (Ordered a vortex razor hd gen2 4.5-27x56mm mrad today). Still need to figure out ring height and decide which rings to go with.

I kind of want to try out the 6.5
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 23, 2015, 02:34:35 PM
I got into PRs about 10 years ago.  It started with a bone stock Remy700 Sendero II with fluted barrel in 300WM.  I had a hard time getting decent groups and bought a jewel trigger and had a muzzle brake added.  Then started handloading.  Got a consistent 3/4 MOA gun out of it.  After taking some training classes, I began to see all the options out there and researched builders and settled on GA Precision out of KC MO.

They've built 2 sticks for me, a 308 and the aforementioned 300WM.  The next will be a 300WSM ultralight

I'll start with my favorite, the 308.  I spec'd it as follows:

remy 700 action: Push button side bolt release.  Blue printed with Badger Ordinance bolt knob.
Bartlien 1:11 twist heavy barrel.  19.5 inches, threaded for a can with knurled threaded protector.
McMillian A5 stock with manual cheek rest and multiple flush cup sling mounts.
Badger Ordinance detachable mag system and bottom metal with AI 10 round mags
Badger Ordinance 20MOA optics rail
Later I added an Atlas bipod and rail under the front.
I also swapped the tuned Remy trigger for a Jewel HVR trigger set at 2 1/2 pounds. (A tuned remy trigger is nice but you can only polish a turd so much.  Jewell makes the finest triggers, period.  A stock rifle with nothing more than a Jewell trigger swap makes it like a whole different weapon.)
Had it cerakoted in solid tan.
Added a TAB Gear sling (if you want to shoot well in positions other than prone, a good sling is a must.  They are also very personal so you have to try different ones and practice with them) the TAB has a bicep loop that helps get a good solid triangle with you and your weapon for steadier kneeling or standing unsupported  shots.

Then added: 
Schmidt and Bender PMII with the P4 fine mil reticle in 4-16
Thunderbeast Arms 30-P1 titanium suppressor.

I hand loaded 155 Lapua scenar over Varget and use once fired FGMM brass and FGMM primers.  (using once fired FGMM means I don't cry when I can't find all my brass in a shooting competition.  I made the mistake of buying virgin Lapua brass....once.  After loosing a few dozen of those in a weekend of competing you look for a different solution)

With this combination I can shoot 1/4 groups (five in a dime) at 100 and have made hits at 1000 with it although it's stretching it a bit given the BC of the Lapua round and the shorter barrel.

It makes for a very handy rifle (if you can call a 14 pound rifle "handy") due to the shorter barrel and other than a GA Precision AR-10, I don't know that I would want to shoot anything else from 700M and in.


Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 23, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
I like. ;D




I also knew you'd be sharing in this thread soon.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: JR on November 23, 2015, 03:29:12 PM
Very nice. Like the mag upgrade (have it for my dads old 700) but plane to keep it stock from there.

How much does the report go down with the can and can it be used on other rifles? (IE, registered to a single gun?)
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 23, 2015, 09:12:36 PM
The can is in essence, according to the BATFE a firearm in iteself.  You can put it on what ever weapon you want.  You have a tax stamp for it.

I shoot it all day long wihout hearing protection and the reduced recoil makes its felt recoil less than a AR-15.

My next can will be the 338BA by Thunderbeast, which is a .338 can with a large volume and quick connect.  I plan to run it on my 300WM and be able to switch it to the AR-10 as well.  You can use a larger can on a smaller weapon easily.  The optimal is a ID of the can that matches the round, but smaller rounds through it will function about 90% as efficient.  So the 300WM through the 338 can is the best of both worlds.  I can shoot that and later move up to a 338 Lapua if I desire.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 23, 2015, 09:15:52 PM
(http://a59.tinypic.com/ifsuj4.jpg)

 More pics


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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 24, 2015, 07:08:57 AM


I also knew you'd be sharing in this thread soon.

I figured you started this thread to bait me....

I resisted as long as I could...


Oh, JR.  One more thing about the can..

Never, ever touch the can after repeated shooting.  Think of it like laying your leg against the exhaust pipe on a motorcycle....
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 24, 2015, 09:14:01 AM
I figured you started this thread to bait me....

I resisted as long as I could...


I'm hurt that you would think a site Moderator of my caliber (see what I did there) and someone possessing high moral character would stoop to such unscrupulous actions.

Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 24, 2015, 09:52:41 AM
im sorry Bobby.  Allow me to make up for it

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 24, 2015, 10:11:28 AM
im sorry Bobby.  Allow me to make up for it

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/950/285/f71.png)

Is Dr.Austria related to Dr.Pepper? 
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: nmeyer414 on November 24, 2015, 10:12:06 AM
I just spit my breakfast all over the place..................ROFLMFAO
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: JR on November 24, 2015, 11:34:42 AM
Thx, I know the can gets hot. Ours were attached to the weapon. Never had my own much less allowed in this state.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 24, 2015, 06:38:00 PM
Yeah. Sorry about commifornia. You should come to Texas! 

Bobby thanks for being a good sport.

Nate. Clean up on isle five !


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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Bigdave_185 on November 24, 2015, 08:02:58 PM
I would think this post would have a few more gun photos then just one.   By now being three days old. 


Raising boys into RealMen!!
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 25, 2015, 02:42:04 AM
Yeah. Sorry about commifornia. You should come to Texas! 

Bobby thanks for being a good sport.

Nate. Clean up on isle five !

Lol it's the interwebz, you can't be offended.

I would think this post would have a few more gun photos then just one.   By now being three days old. 

Redneck is making us wait.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 25, 2015, 09:20:43 AM
Only Texans can afford such luxuries. We are at his mercy, but I for one, will patiently wait :)
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 25, 2015, 09:23:59 AM
Only Texans can afford such luxuries. We are at his mercy, but I for one, will patiently wait :)

Well Chief can throw his M1A in here, Shawn can throw his 308 he built and the SR25 in here.. cough, hint, cough.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 25, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
Wait, those guys aren't from Texas. :scratcheshead

Do you think they have the b****?

..Na, they won't post anything. Big D for one, doesn't like taking pics. lol
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: stlaser on November 25, 2015, 09:32:31 AM
I'm hurt that you would think a site Moderator of my caliber (see what I did there) and someone possessing high moral character would stoop to such unscrupulous actions.

Who is this person you speak of? ???
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: stlaser on November 25, 2015, 09:36:30 AM
Well Chief can throw his M1A in here, Shawn can throw his 308 he built and the SR25 in here.. cough, hint, cough.

Oh, I thought you said this was a precision rifle thread! Oh you meant the gun not the shooter...... ;)

I told ya I'll get you some, patience Bobby! The home brew needs floating hand guard reattached never did it after installing the adjustable gas block as you can't dial it in with hand guard on.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 09:45:52 AM
Only Texans can afford such luxuries. We are at his mercy, but I for one, will patiently wait :)

Well Chief can throw his M1A in here, Shawn can throw his 308 he built and the SR25 in here.. cough, hint, cough.
Bobby, I don't think my M1A is up to the lofty standard red neck has laid before us
My gun is a standard M1A with a NM barrel with the normal bolt/chamber work. I shoot it every once in awhile, but to say its a MOA gun, well, I don't know

But all this chatter has peaked my interest. I think I'm gonna push up a berm of dirs. about 100 meters from the hilltop where my picnic table is, and maybe find out.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 25, 2015, 09:54:03 AM
Bobby, I don't think my M1A is up to the lofty standard red neck has laid before us
My gun is a standard M1A with a NM barrel with the normal bolt/chamber work. I shoot it every once in awhile, but to say its a MOA gun, well, I don't know

But all this chatter has peaked my interest. I think I'm gonna push up a berm of dirs. about 100 meters from the hilltop where my picnic table is, and maybe find out.

Ok it's precisionish.. Still counts.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 10:02:14 AM
Bobby, I don't think my M1A is up to the lofty standard red neck has laid before us
My gun is a standard M1A with a NM barrel with the normal bolt/chamber work. I shoot it every once in awhile, but to say its a MOA gun, well, I don't know

But all this chatter has peaked my interest. I think I'm gonna push up a berm of dirs. about 100 meters from the hilltop where my picnic table is, and maybe find out.

Ok it's precisionish.. Still counts.
I'll count that as expert testimony!
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 25, 2015, 10:08:52 AM
I'll count that as expert testimony!

It'd probably do better if you put swapped scopes with the 300 WM or the 264.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: stlaser on November 25, 2015, 10:46:14 AM
Here you go with better optics and a better shooter this may fall in this category.

Ruger SR25 with Acog 3.5 x 35, bone stock and only mod I plan on performing is ambidextrous safety as I'm a lefty. May swap flash hider if I buy a can down the road at some point. 

(http://i.imgur.com/JiClrtI.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/gYW0ytD.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XnCnerj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/JQclNpZ.jpg)

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 25, 2015, 02:25:30 PM
Looks nice. That wasn't the SR-25 I was expecting. I thought you went wallet hurting deep and bought:

http://www.knightarmco.com/military/?term=sr-25
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: stlaser on November 25, 2015, 02:36:48 PM
Looks nice. That wasn't the SR-25 I was expecting. I thought you went wallet hurting deep and bought:

http://www.knightarmco.com/military/?term=sr-25


Have no idea what those cost but my pockets aren't that deep! ;)
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 25, 2015, 02:40:39 PM
Have no idea what those cost but my pockets aren't that deep! ;)

Well the rail for the SR-25 alone costs...... rounded to the nearest even dollar amount.... $700.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: stlaser on November 25, 2015, 02:55:10 PM
Well the rail for the SR-25 alone costs...... rounded to the nearest even dollar amount.... $700.

Well, that's just silly then. I think the rail for the one I built was a 1/3rd of that. Probably reason I didn't buy that gun & ended up with what I have.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on November 25, 2015, 02:58:48 PM
KAC is expensive stuff...

i'm 'saving up' for the mk12 mod 0 upper, think that rail is KAC also. Have a complete lower and optics ready to go. Just don't have the 1700 for the rest...

dreams are free

Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 25, 2015, 03:01:11 PM
KAC is expensive stuff...

i'm 'saving up' for the mk12 mod 0 upper, think that rail is KAC also. Have a complete lower and optics ready to go. Just don't have the 1700 for the rest...

dreams are free

Yea expensive is very true.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 25, 2015, 03:33:46 PM
Shawn, i think what Bobby is sayin' is that you aren't good enough for this thread. He's kinda picky like that.

...serious question tho, is your's a 7.62 ?
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 25, 2015, 04:04:27 PM
Shawn, i think what Bobby is sayin' is that you aren't good enough for this thread. He's kinda picky like that.

...serious question tho, is your's a 7.62 ?

Shenanigans. I know he has another 308 that's more precision. I've been hinting I wanted to see the SR25. Although I can start another thread for "Battle rifle" type stuff.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 25, 2015, 05:41:07 PM
We definately should have a "show off your -----" threads for the different types, like ARs, Mils, etc.
or maybe we do already. hmm, I'll have to look.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 05:43:13 PM
We definately should have a "show off your -----" threads for the different types, like ARs, Mils, etc.
or maybe we do already. hmm, I'll have to look.
Well, I volunteer to start the thread "Show off your dog, ya know the one you'd like to give away!"
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: stlaser on November 25, 2015, 07:59:16 PM
Shawn, i think what Bobby is sayin' is that you aren't good enough for this thread. He's kinda picky like that.

...serious question tho, is your's a 7.62 ?

Yes, 7.62x51 came with nice soft case & 1 ten round mag & 3 twenty rounders all magpul I added several 25 rounders to my collection.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: stlaser on November 25, 2015, 08:05:28 PM
Shenanigans. I know he has another 308 that's more precision. I've been hinting I wanted to see the SR25. Although I can start another thread for "Battle rifle" type stuff.

Bobby, not really. I'm not a precision shooter by any definition of the word. The other 308 I have is built off the same receiver design as the SR25 actually bought it from the machine shop that builds them for ruger. I lived in Indiana all my life, if you had 400 yards open to shoot that was a very long shot. Here in Colorado it's a bit different & I may take some lessons or build my collection accordingly now. The most precision rifles I own are most likely my 30-06 & 22-250 in a 700 flavor but again they aren't anything special. 
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KeithB on November 25, 2015, 08:25:10 PM
I tried posting this earlier on the web from my phone but the pix ,I guess, were to big.
Here it goes on tap talk.

Bone stock Rem 700 police, except for the Kydex adjustable cheek rest.
26" Heavy barrel, stock trigger except I adjusted it down to about 1.5 lbs, Harris bipod, Barska 10-40x50 with illuminated retical, the glass is mounted with 30mm Burris Signature Series with adjustable MOA inserts with dove tail mount to Burris two piece base with adjustable windage.

Ammo that day, factory  Federal GMM 175gr SMK HPBT 2650 fps on the box.

Not a bad group for stock stick, inexpensive glass and factory ammo.

I did chronograph after shooting the group to get a 5 shot average.

There are a few more upgrades for would like to add and really thinking about reloading to develop a more consistent round for this and bulk ammo.

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 25, 2015, 08:55:13 PM
Is that a 308 Keith? nice gun and nice group.

Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KeithB on November 25, 2015, 08:59:40 PM
Yes it is and thanks.
I think my next one will be .338 LM. Just not sure what model yet.

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 09:48:19 PM
Keith, that's great shooting! Marines teach you that or is that just instinctive?
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KeithB on November 25, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
A little of both and Alot of snap in time.
Scout snipers were attached to our unit in the Med and Hati. Became good friends and did some cross training with them. Also my MOS was 0352 anti tank missile, TOW2. Tank sniper. Longest shot 3250 meters.

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 10:13:01 PM
I did some time in the front seat of a Cobra AH-1S a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
But I still remember the max effective range of that TOW missile...3750 meters!

So 3250 is a pretty sporty shot there my friend!
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 10:22:33 PM
I can't make the claim that this is a precision rifle, but it shoots well.

I need to check it out again, but I want to say it might be a 2MOA rifle, possibly better. It's a standard M1A but with a national Match barrel. I have an ancient Tasco 4 X 12 X 57 on top with standard rings. I added it before the age of rails. The scope mount is an ART-2 which screws into both the side of the receiver and the stripper clip guide mount. The stock is an original issue G.I. with the auto selector cutout. I once owned the automatic selector lever, but the M1A's have the mounting boss milled off, whereas the M14 it is present for duty
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KeithB on November 25, 2015, 10:22:56 PM
I sat in the front seat of a super cobra on ship off the coast of Hati but they wouldn't take me up... You know that whole your "enlisted and only officers can ride" thing.

Yes, the M.E.R. is 3750. I've also seen them come out of the tube and go vertical when one of the wires snapped.


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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 10:37:16 PM
Man you got ripped off, we would take enlisted guys in the front seat all the time. Right of passage for a crew chief to fly his own Cobra!

Better yet...We let our Chinook flight engineers climb into the front and fly for awhile sometimes.

Funny story.

Me and Bob-Dawg are flying back to Ft Campbell, KY from 29 palms (California). Bob says he needs to take a break, so he hops out to go to the back of the aircraft where we have a relief tube. While he is gone, Trigger, our crew-chief climbs in the left seat. I hand him the controls and he starts flying.

We are somewhere over Oklahoma and it's just maintaining 500 feet and drill a big long hole in the sky. So after like 30 minutes or more, Bob Dawg has not returned, so I ask Manny, the flight engineer what's up with the Dawg. He says, "Sir, he's sleeping back here!"

SLEEPING! He's sleeping! Well I thought about it for a moment...Trigger was doing a great job flying so I called Manny up front and told him to jump in my seat, I had to take a leak as well. He does the, "Err, sir, can we do that" routine and I assure him its gonna be ah-ight! So I climb out, and he climbs in. At this point, of course, there are no pilots flying, just the crew dogs. I hung around the companionway just behind the seats and watched. Trigger was doing a good job flying while Manny had the map up and was tracing along with his finger. Looking more closely, I observed his finger was about a hundred miles from where we were, but who cares, it was uncontrolled airspace.

So I go relieve myself then made my way up front where Bob Dawg was completely crashed out leaning back against one of the fuel tanks. The crew guys hadn't drawn all over his face yet with magic marker as is the custom if you EVER fall asleep onboard an Army aircraft, so I sat on the floor opposite him and laid my head back like I was asleep too!

I kicked his boot and pretended to be asleep. I watched Bob Dawg sit upright, look across at me then lay his head back. Then suddenly he jolted upright and looked at me, then toward the front. That was priceless! He probably thought no one was up in the front!
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 10:41:44 PM
Another accurate but not a precision rifle

Remington 700 BDL in .300 Win Mag with a German something or another scope on it. Or is this my .264 mag???
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KeithB on November 25, 2015, 10:51:07 PM
That's priceless.
I have spent plenty of time in the CH-53's and CH-47's and hanging from them, (spy rigging) repelling and fast roping.

I have flown a Cessna 172 when I was contemplating getting my PPL. But I have always loved the helo's.

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 10:56:54 PM
That's priceless.
I have spent plenty of time in the CH-53's and CH-47's and hanging from them, (spy rigging) repelling and fast roping.

I have flown a Cessna 172 when I was contemplating getting my PPL. But I have always loved the helo's.

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Airplane flyin' is nothing like helo flying. Airplanes, even jets are easy (and boring) and no helicopter I have ever piloted fits either of those descriptors.

I'd take a 2,000 helo pilot any day over a 10,000 hour airplane pilot. Unless the airplane guy was bush flying in the Alaska.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KeithB on November 25, 2015, 11:02:46 PM
I agree... Would rather fly a helo.

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 26, 2015, 08:21:14 AM
Not a bad group for stock stick, inexpensive glass and factory ammo.

I do believe that's somewhat better than not bad.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2015, 09:10:36 AM
Not a bad group for stock stick, inexpensive glass and factory ammo.

I do believe that's somewhat better than not bad.
He's sand baggin' Bobby...Marine...They do that you know. Try and lead we Army folks down the path then pull out the gotcha!

Not gonna pull anything over on an Airborne NCO...You got him!
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 26, 2015, 10:10:40 AM
I'm just a dumb wrenchturner and I had that one figured out!
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 26, 2015, 10:48:59 AM
Nothing dumb about a GOOD wrench turner, Kenneth!
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 26, 2015, 11:00:14 AM
I was at a gunshop a couple months ago, and there was a custom Remington 700 action for sale at a cool $1,200. Oh how I wanted to snag it.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: stlaser on November 26, 2015, 11:49:29 AM
I was at a gunshop a couple months ago, and there was a custom Remington 700 action for sale at a cool $1,200. Oh how I wanted to snag it.

Pics or you know it didn't happen..... :D
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 26, 2015, 12:28:45 PM
I was at a gunshop a couple months ago, and there was a custom Remington 700 action for sale at a cool $1,200. Oh how I wanted to snag it.

Pics or you know it didn't happen..... :D


http://defiancemachine.com/deviant-tactical/

That's the one I saw.

Title: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: husker77c on November 26, 2015, 05:49:11 PM
Only pic I have of my do it all bolt gun with my SCAR

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/26/e4b111172d0bd7c021b49dbb0cc0557c.jpg)

It's a Ruger MK77 tactical in .243. Factory 20" barrel, factory Hogue stock.  Hawke 5X20 scope.   

I keep telling myself I'm going to upgrade glass but I haven't been shooting much the past couple of years so it's fallen on the back burner.

I originally bought it in Montana as a dedicated prairie dog gun.  Loaded some hot 55gr varmint loads for it and absolutely loved it for that.  Got a few hits on them at 400+ yards.  With a target not much bigger than a squirrel I think that's pretty good.  Very flat shooting caliber so mostly just used holdovers if I got out really far.  Took a couple shots at over 600 yards and didn't hit them but I know they felt the wind.

I realized though when shooting a long ways that a 55gr bullet is really affected by wind so I've been trying to figure out a factory load it likes since I've been on the road and can't load for it anymore.   

Don't have any paper targets that I kept to show groups. But it's more accurate then me that's for sure. 


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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 27, 2015, 01:23:49 AM
my SCAR

I like them, don't like the price, don't like the Ugg boot hanging off the back.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: KeithB on November 27, 2015, 08:12:08 AM
Not a bad group for stock stick, inexpensive glass and factory ammo.

I do believe that's somewhat better than not bad.
He's sand baggin' Bobby...Marine...They do that you know. Try and lead we Army folks down the path then pull out the gotcha!

Not gonna pull anything over on an Airborne NCO...You got him!
Thank for the vote of confidence there Don...
It was shot from the bench on bipods and a balled up fist under the stock. Sand bags don't have a heart beat and when your shooting on 40 power at 100 yds that's what you have to time to squeeze off a group like that.

That same day a guy I met at the range had his $2700 custom Surgeon with NF glass and still couldn't top that group.

Still I enjoy the back and forth banter.

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 08, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Bobby I almost forgot your request about the bipod.

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Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 09, 2016, 02:34:39 AM
Bobby I almost forgot your request about the bipod.

Danke. I figured you'd get around to it once you had a spare moment.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: OldKooT on February 17, 2016, 11:21:02 AM
My idea of Precision is a 45.70 Lever. Then again I use a chainsaw to cut maple flooring, and I have been known to roto-till a garden with a skid steer...and well, 45.70...because if you can't hit it at long distances, well you clearly have not aimed high enough.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2016, 11:32:42 AM
I was talking to this ballistics genius yesterday for maybe an hour and a half.

His specialty was getting guns to really work, as in ultra accuracy. He was talking about some of his favorite cartridges. Number one was a custom thing that started with a .404 Jefferies necked down to .338!

Up there with light artillery, but it was a long range drill bit. Out to around 450 meters he liked his .257 Roberts, and inside 300M he preferred his .222 Rem. He said either of those guns would send the rounds through the same hole, although with the .257 fried from a Browning lever action, he could get three accurate shots from a cold gun, then the rounds would walk.

He has won some national events as a shooter himself. He liked old Savage barreled actions. Also Mauser, Remington and Sako actions. He said he could seldom get a .300 Win Mag to perform to those standards and he was not a big fan of the .223 or the semi auto guns.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: OldKooT on February 17, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
Don...funny you mention that. I was out yesterday shooting a few rounds with the local LEO types. They were sporting some fancy hardware, most personal rifles they have built. We got into a discussion regarding long range shots. They were giving me a hard time for shooting a antique "sks yesterday" And I pointed out that it's ok with me if they can "widen" holes at 200 yards....when the one fella asked me why I was unconcerned with my group I said the following. "ever see someone shot? They don't hold still, so your sec shot will not be in the same hole...and besides who wants to shoot a person in the same place twice? DUH!

Target shooters amuse me LoL

Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 17, 2016, 12:14:10 PM
Don...funny you mention that. I was out yesterday shooting a few rounds with the local LEO types. They were sporting some fancy hardware, most personal rifles they have built. We got into a discussion regarding long range shots. They were giving me a hard time for shooting a antique "sks yesterday" And I pointed out that it's ok with me if they can "widen" holes at 200 yards....when the one fella asked me why I was unconcerned with my group I said the following. "ever see someone shot? They don't hold still, so your sec shot will not be in the same hole...and besides who wants to shoot a person in the same place twice? DUH!

Target shooters amuse me LoL


This guy I was talking to yesterday is from Texas. He was up at the knob creek machine gun shoot this year with that .257. That draw is like a box canyon about 1/4 mile deep. He got into a bet. 4 shooters, one shot at a time, last guy out eats prime rib off the other three's dime.
The target was a .30-.30 brass case stood up on end. They set the brass up on a car which was used as a machine gun target which I'd guess is 400 meters out.
Well he hit it first round, and no one else could hit it at all...He's known in these parts as quite the rifleman. I'd put him in mid late 60's...
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 17, 2016, 09:36:53 PM
please tell me at 400M that was a standing or kneeling shot and not prone....
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 18, 2016, 10:13:25 AM
please tell me at 400M that was a standing or kneeling shot and not prone....
Sorry, can't

Bench...
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 18, 2016, 10:28:51 AM
Even off the bench that was some darn good shooting if he only took one shot total. I don't own scope enough to even see a 30/30 case at that distance let alone hit one first shot.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 18, 2016, 12:37:33 PM
Even off the bench that was some darn good shooting if he only took one shot total. I don't own scope enough to even see a 30/30 case at that distance let alone hit one first shot.
Bobby, this guy has some strange optics. He likes those old Leopold scopes with the windage and elevation adjustment in the mount! Ever see that ancient external scope adjustment?

He was telling me he only uses Burris scope mounts. Reason: the burris mounts inner bore is larger than the scope OD. Burris offers bushings offset .010, .020" and so forth. You can use then to get what he was calling optic perfect. That is perfect alignment of the scope axis with the bore centerline. If the scope is offset a bit you could use them to shift the scope left or right that small amount.

He is a bit of a fanatic. He even resizes the inside/outside of the cartridge neck. He says it's very important to introduce the bullet into the chamber exactly aligned. And offset causes a bit of pressure that manifests as a tiny bit of wobble when the bullet leaves the barrel...

I believe this guy could make a shot like that.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: halsey on February 18, 2016, 02:07:17 PM

I've been using those Burris rings. The Signature Zee. Nice rings. As well as being adjustable, they won't leave ring marks on the scope.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 18, 2016, 07:29:42 PM
Oh, I re-read and now I get it.  I thought you meant a 30 cal ammo can on end.  I should slow down and actually read.

In that case, that was a nice shot.  Kneeling would have been un-believable. :-)
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: rcampbell on March 10, 2016, 09:11:19 PM
Hey guys, looking to find a budget friendly stock for my .308 rifle. It's an older Remington 40X action with tuned 40X trigger and a custom 20" barrel with Obermeyer chamber. I've been looking for a decent stock, but the only downside with the ones I've seen, like the HS Precision stocks on the Rem 700 5R is that they all use the hinged floor plate (ie. BDL) bottom metal. I do like the MDT HS3, which is even made in Canada, but it's still up there in cost once you put a decent butt on it (ie. Magpul PRS or MDT Skeleton etc).

I guess one question would be, is hinged floor plate really much worse than DBM?

I've got an EGW scope rail and a harris bipod. But will be needing a scope as well. Scopes sure have gotten expensive since I last bought one a few years ago. I guess weaker Canadian dollar isn't helping either.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 10, 2016, 10:10:36 PM
DBM is great if you are shooting competitions.  If you are hunting or otherwise using it normally, hinged floor plate is fine.  You won't get three shots off on an animal anyway, to have to worry about having more round than that.

Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 11, 2016, 02:07:55 AM
Hey guys, looking to find a budget friendly stock for my .308 rifle. It's an older Remington 40X action with tuned 40X trigger and a custom 20" barrel with Obermeyer chamber. I've been looking for a decent stock, but the only downside with the ones I've seen, like the HS Precision stocks on the Rem 700 5R is that they all use the hinged floor plate (ie. BDL) bottom metal. I do like the MDT HS3, which is even made in Canada, but it's still up there in cost once you put a decent butt on it (ie. Magpul PRS or MDT Skeleton etc).

I guess one question would be, is hinged floor plate really much worse than DBM?

I've got an EGW scope rail and a harris bipod. But will be needing a scope as well. Scopes sure have gotten expensive since I last bought one a few years ago. I guess weaker Canadian dollar isn't helping either.

Like a hunting style stock or something more "tactical" ?

Take a gander at Bell and Carlson stocks. They are pretty nice, but not as crazy priced as other stocks.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: rcampbell on March 11, 2016, 07:47:29 AM
Yeah sorry, should have mentioned, it's not a hunting rifle, though I may get out on a trip in Alberta some year, but otherwise isn't for hunting. I would use it for target shooting and for PRS style shooting, although where I am we certainly don't have any courses like the GAP Grind or anything like that! We'd be doing mostly known distance shooting at static and moving targets etc. My action it kind of cool, as it has a rear clip slot for pushing a clip of ammo in (which won't be much good with a scope on there though).

I'm also looking for a decent scope. I've used Nightforce and Sightron before and both were excellent, but NF is surely too expensive this time around. The Vortex any good? How about the Bushnells?
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: OldKooT on March 11, 2016, 08:37:11 AM
I am trying a Vortex on this Ar I am tossing together from left over pieces of tacti cool builds others have done. It's also used but that being my point... it's spent 2 years on a .458So Com Ar and it's still clear clean and 100% which given the price...good enough for me.
Title: Re: Precision Rifle Thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 11, 2016, 09:20:13 AM
Yeah sorry, should have mentioned, it's not a hunting rifle, though I may get out on a trip in Alberta some year, but otherwise isn't for hunting. I would use it for target shooting and for PRS style shooting, although where I am we certainly don't have any courses like the GAP Grind or anything like that! We'd be doing mostly known distance shooting at static and moving targets etc. My action it kind of cool, as it has a rear clip slot for pushing a clip of ammo in (which won't be much good with a scope on there though).

I'm also looking for a decent scope. I've used Nightforce and Sightron before and both were excellent, but NF is surely too expensive this time around. The Vortex any good? How about the Bushnells?

B&C, McMillian are good stocks. You can sometimes find AI stocks that people swap out for sale.

Vortex scopes are nice. The PSTs are a good starter point. If you want to step up to the GEN 2 HD line, well then even better. I haven't seen or looked through one but heard they are amazing.

The NFs I've looked though have been nice as well, good glass and turrets, stupidly tough.

Leupold same as the above.