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Title: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 25, 2016, 11:50:59 PM
Ok, so I've done several mods since buying this approximately 10 months ago. I bought it bone stock with 56,000 miles on the odometer. I really like the jeep & I really dislike the turd mini van power plant. With several trips across country I've racked up close to 20K miles since acquiring it. I have been planning a major oil change as of late. But for now that's gunna stay under wraps, don't quite have all the details worked out. So in the mean time I'll be showcasing the few small upgrades I have completed.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on March 26, 2016, 12:08:35 AM
kyle!  quit bullcraptin and get us one of these!

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 26, 2016, 12:20:32 AM
Hahaha you clown

Ok. No "bullshoot". I've probably spent 10 hrs trying to load new emoticon packs to this dang site with no luck. That was like 6 mo's ago, so maybe i'll give it another try here soon.

Ok, no more DOT'ing this fine gentlemen's thread. For cryin out loud, he's literally made 1 post in a new build thread!  ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: husker77c on March 26, 2016, 07:46:56 AM
My girl has a 2015 wrangler four door.  My only compliant about it is the same one.   The engine is seriously lacking in power.    I'll be watching this build. 


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on March 26, 2016, 11:19:59 AM
I really dislike the turd mini van power plant.

I know you're jealous of XJ's 4.0
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on March 26, 2016, 11:39:24 AM
No "bullshoot"

that would be due to the parental controls that are in place......;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 26, 2016, 12:09:37 PM
I do miss my cammed 4.0 in the rubi......

However, that isn't going to be a match for what's in store.


I really dislike the turd mini van power plant.

I know you're jealous of XJ's 4.0
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on March 26, 2016, 08:51:14 PM
Nothing a Hemi can't fix LOL
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 26, 2016, 09:39:14 PM
That's not a real option. Several reasons but if you actually follow epa emissions guidelines you can't "patch" the software. The Hemi conversions are patched in, in fact the aev conversions in Cali recently had their registrations pulled over it.

Here in Colorado we have emissions guidelines similar to Cali. I have actually been in contact with them as I have been looking at various options.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Wilbur on March 26, 2016, 09:56:34 PM
Nothing a Hemi can't fix LOL

Haha! My first thought when I saw the complaint of underpower was I wonder if stlaser and koot should do a group buy on a couple of hemis. ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on March 26, 2016, 11:03:49 PM
Haha! My first thought when I saw the complaint of underpower was I wonder if stlaser and koot should do a group buy on a couple of hemis. ;)

Norm probably has a couple in his barn, brand new in box, that he forgot he had.  ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on March 29, 2016, 08:00:50 AM
Nah Bobby I don't own a new generation Hemi. Too many wires...blah.

I forgot you have emissions testing.. So a supercharger it is  ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 29, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
Yes, emissions testing brings the suck. Main reason I'm still juggling options, well that and I do have a budget of sorts. What I really want is currently out of my budget I think, still speaking with vendors we'll see. No supercharger to begin with at least.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on March 29, 2016, 10:58:01 AM
Gearing makes a world of difference and doesn't affect emissions, just saying, not sellin'. '08 the great bailout was in effect, and the motor/trans were set up for optimal one time, downhill, no interior, wind at their back MPG guesstimates hwy so they could meet their EPA requirements linked to their bailout. 2012 and later fixed some of those issues, but the earlier 07-11 were severely underpowered because of this. To put in in perspective, a NON rubicon running 35" rubber and an auto trans REQUIRES 5.13 just to get out of its own way, whereas a 2012 auto w/ 35" 4.56 is almost too much and more of a performance setup. I'll post some JK ratio charts in powertrain for reference.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2016, 04:26:42 PM
Ok, so twisting and turning figuring which way this build is gunna go for drivetrain including axles. Here's part of what's going on. I have a set of axles & that custom t-case in the classified section. The axles will go perfect in this jk. However I sold the EB frame, body, motor, & transmission last week to a guy wanting to restore its glory. ??? That's what he told me anyhow, so who am I to judge? That EB may have been only EB to ever grace the pages of JP Mag so if anything it has a reputation of some sort. Anyhow made him a great deal on axles & t-case. He's trying to come up with funds to secure parts. I gave him until end of month when I'll be back in IN to come up with funds.

So in meantime I'll cover the upgrades it has currently & parts I just ordered. Pics will come in next day or two then will cover install of newly acquired parts as I install.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2016, 04:32:52 PM
Current upgrades include 9.5xp winch mounted to a rock hard mount using stock front bumper. Still trying to decide if I want to keep stock bumper & modify it with new end caps (2 different styles) or full new aftermarket bumper. I kinda like stocker look & not a fan of any particular front bumper so far. Here below is a link to the winch mount, nice product fit well. Easy install.

http://www.rockhard4x4.com/product_p/rh-5010.htm
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
Here are two version of front bumper end caps

http://www.quadratec.com/products/12106_0004_07.htm

http://www.quadratec.com/products/12106_0005_07.htm

Now if I did keep stocker & modify I would build my own winch/grill bull guard hoop rather than buy the rock hard version in this two links.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2016, 04:44:21 PM
Last fall I upgraded wheels to an ion alloys 171 matte black wheel in 16x8

http://rimzoneonline.com/16x8-ion-alloy-black-171-6865mb.html?utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=CImB0uz2hMwCFQUFaQodqZUBGg

Per all the forums they claimed this wheel & a 32.8 tire size would fit. Well after installing the wheels & a set of duratracs (km2 at that time had 6 week back order) I find out that apparently my on road driving habits are more extreme than the average reader blogger. I've had the fronts rub several times so far & it's annoying. Granted the extra weight of front winch & mount probably add to the rubbing a bit.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on April 10, 2016, 04:52:34 PM
Pics? or did you forget how to operate a camera since retirement. :P
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2016, 04:54:26 PM
So to address the rubbing & knowing I intend to haul family / small trailer around with jeep I decided to order an OME 2" heavy lift kit for the JK. This comes with heavier springs that was engineered for a loaded down jk for overland type expeditions. From what I read you actually gain 3.25" with winch & steel bumpers. Kit will fit up to a 35" tire which is my next tire size purchase most likely. Possibly a 37" and if needed will look at body lift & or fender mods to keep center of gravity low. Below is the kit & where I purchased it. Yes I am getting the cool camping chairs too. Couple reasons I went this route was A) for the heavy springs & B) OME's reputation is best in business, always has been.

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_05XX_PG.htm


Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2016, 04:55:45 PM
Pics? or did you forget how to operate a camera since retirement. :P

Read much lately? Stated I would post pics in next day or so, don't you have a Hillary convention to go work!?! :o
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: husker77c on April 10, 2016, 07:00:56 PM
I like the stubby end caps if you decide to keep the factory front.  I like the look of very little in front of your front tires.  Looks mean.


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2016, 07:33:22 PM
Copy, really like the front bumper. I'm frugal, if I hadn't spent the $175 on the winch mount it would be easier to scrap the front stock bumper. However that mount also has four 1/2" diameter holes either side of winch in that mount plate. So fabbing up a radiator / winch guard with tube will be pretty easy. As this is my "truck" now that guard will also have a 2" hitch receiver mounted vertical off of it. This way I can have a removable ladder rack for the jeep. Will use hitch in bumper on the rear & do same thing there only rear rack will have a 90 degree turn to slide into hitch. I can haul long pieces of steel, ladder or lumber this way.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2016, 09:53:47 PM
Sadly...I am joining the ranks of Heep owners as well

Story coming soon on the

NSTGJ (Not So Tactical Girly Jeep)

Might have to rename it. Makes me like it even less...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2016, 10:06:17 PM
Sadly...I am joining the ranks of Heep owners as well

Story coming soon on the

NSTGJ (Not So Tactical Girly Jeep)

Might have to rename it. Makes me like it even less...

What's this all about? Can't leave us hanging.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 11, 2016, 09:10:56 AM
Sadly...I am joining the ranks of Heep owners as well

Story coming soon on the

NSTGJ (Not So Tactical Girly Jeep)

Might have to rename it. Makes me like it even less...

What's this all about? Can't leave us hanging.....
OK, will start the "Pre-Thread" in the build section.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on April 11, 2016, 09:43:24 AM


Quote from: stlaser link=topic=2033.msg36943#msg36943

Read much lately? Stated I would post pics in next day or so, don't you have a Hillary convention to go work!?! :o

Nah, I told you I couldn't meet you there because of work. ;)

I actually did read everything. ..just missed that part. Lol

...still wouldn't hurt to throw up a couple teasers ...

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2016, 10:59:22 PM
Nice come back Ken! OK, as promised I'll post some pics for our illiterate friends such as Ken.


Pretty much stock except for winch and tires/wheels
(http://i.imgur.com/zr7IK5v.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/J0a1mu2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8rDbVz3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on April 12, 2016, 11:05:48 PM
Nice Jeep man...

BTW don't use those folding plastic saw horses to hold up one end of a Dodge pickup box.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2016, 11:07:36 PM
& yes it has a broken windshield now, thank you CO and all the construction that is never ending because of people like myself migrating in......

Started by removing the old factory hitch & rear bumper and no I haven't yet decided on the front yet. I have a project that I will reuse the hitch on shortly.

(http://i.imgur.com/tULhKHv.jpg)

Then a little wire wheel application and under coating

(http://i.imgur.com/yjXjTwD.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/QkkzyHt.jpg)

Then I called Ken and he was no help on this btw..... I pulled this from the rear bumper, I personally think it is an alien mind reading device placed on my vehicle by the NSA. Ken reassured me I had nothing in my mind worth reading & told me to throw it away and get back to work. He must really be a slave driver in his shop!

(http://i.imgur.com/bYB9wT0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2016, 11:13:13 PM
So then I had to take a break, like a three hour break to let the under coat fast air dry while running my youngest to the dentist unexpectedly to get her last baby tooth pulled. Her jaw was pretty swollen and looked like no fun. Tooth came out and all was well. So back to throwing on my new to me used Hanson rear bumper.

(http://i.imgur.com/2hOvGPH.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ZAGrh0c.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HnqqvdF.jpg)

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2016, 11:18:24 PM
This evening I picked up a couple missing 12mm bolts to hold the bumper on rear center of the jeep. Currently it is only held on by 2 bolts either side of the outer frame. The oversized tire will no longer fit on the stock tire mount with this bumper. Have no fear I currently am waiting on a tire swing mount builders kit to arrive. Consists of an HD shaft, some bearings and a piece of DOM tube. We are also waiting on a vent cover so I can remove the stock spare tire mount and cover up the hideous stocker vent on the rear tail gate. I was going to make a nifty hilift jack mount this afternoon before being put on dental driver duty. So possibly tomorrow on that.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2016, 11:23:14 PM
Nice Jeep man...

BTW don't use those folding plastic saw horses to hold up one end of a Dodge pickup box.

I hit modify on OldKoot's post rather than quote, second time I've done that recently oops! Anyhow

Thanks, btw I think OldKoot and I spoke for over an hour yesterday. It was a very pleasant like minded conversation I must say. Yeah those saw horses bring the suck. I had a set that I bought at Menards back in Indiana that were twice as nice and sturdy. Thinking of which I bet I could order them online. If not I better put it on the to do list when I'm back there and ship them to myself........
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on April 13, 2016, 09:38:49 AM
Looks good.  I like those Hansons.

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 13, 2016, 10:35:35 AM
I agree, I think those & the fab4 are about the best built out there. Gunna try & get those crapola lights in the bumper wired up today & see how they work. Gotta be better than stock if not I'll upgrade them.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 17, 2016, 07:57:40 AM
Nice rear bumper on that GJ!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 18, 2016, 05:00:26 PM
Ok, so I've been acquiring parts and pieces. All things not related to the drivetrain but will be some nice upgrades. Still narrowing drivetrain descisions down & getting closer in that regards. Been adding a couple things but nothing is currently finished still waiting on some parts so as soon as those arrive will update with pics etc. Things will probably go slow for next several weeks, lots of time consuming events coming up but will do my best.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 18, 2016, 08:10:27 PM
Nice JK, really like the bumper!

If you haven't installed one already, look at the Dead Pedal made by M.O.R.E. Mountain Off Road Enterprises.  I installed one on my wife's JK after seeing it at SEMA a few years back.  It really improves driver comfort and control on and off road. 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2016, 09:30:38 PM
Figures... A black Hawk pilot wanting another dead pedal...Like the two he had in the Hawk weren't enough!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2016, 09:31:50 PM
Ok, so I've been acquiring parts and pieces. All things not related to the drivetrain but will be some nice upgrades. Still narrowing drivetrain descisions down & getting closer in that regards. Been adding a couple things but nothing is currently finished still waiting on some parts so as soon as those arrive will update with pics etc. Things will probably go slow for next several weeks, lots of time consuming events coming up but will do my best.
Shawn, which axles does yours have? Same as Duane's? Or the D44's in Kathy's?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 18, 2016, 09:38:25 PM
Nice JK, really like the bumper!

If you haven't installed one already, look at the Dead Pedal made by M.O.R.E. Mountain Off Road Enterprises.  I installed one on my wife's JK after seeing it at SEMA a few years back.  It really improves driver comfort and control on and off road.

Thanks, have some big things coming in store for this. Glad you posted pics up of your wife's JK (turned out nice btw) as it reminded me of our conversation about the lca's. Installing lift tomorrow on mine & just ordered lca's this evening. ::) I saw that pedal & was wondering about it, think I'll pick one up on a future order.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 18, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Ok, so I've been acquiring parts and pieces. All things not related to the drivetrain but will be some nice upgrades. Still narrowing drivetrain descisions down & getting closer in that regards. Been adding a couple things but nothing is currently finished still waiting on some parts so as soon as those arrive will update with pics etc. Things will probably go slow for next several weeks, lots of time consuming events coming up but will do my best.
Shawn, which axles does yours have? Same as Duane's? Or the D44's in Kathy's?

Same as Duanes, when I bought this I was thinking (& may still be) about putting axles from EB under this narrowed 60 front & 9" rear. I'll know what I'm doing in that regards by end of month. May have the EB axles sold then I'll buy an aftermarket 44 housing & call Tate for some more parts....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2016, 10:03:34 PM
Sounds good!

BTW, I like these things...

Down at the farm, watching Duane, the jeep is a zero impact truck. Barely leaves tire marks, fits in between trees, is quiet. It's great, and that is why we own one. A ruby because that's just a couple things I don't have to do

Will be lifting ours soon...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 18, 2016, 10:12:12 PM
I had D-44's in the tj, blew the limited slip / air locker ($2000 replacement carrier cost) on wet pavement & threw a Detroit ($500) from Randy's back in & never looked back. That Detroit in that short wheelbase jeep was a lot of fun in the snow. Never had to use reverse just the skinny pedal......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 19, 2016, 08:39:11 AM
The base model that we have has a D44 in the rear and a D30 up front.  Open differentials, front and rear.  We did not re-gear with the tire change to 33's and it still has decent power.  We have a different engine in ours than in the 2008 you have, the 3.6 Pentastar, 285hp/260tq.  We are at a significantly lower altitude than you are (and probably Husker as well).  If we were at a higher elevation, a re-gear would probably be in order.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 19, 2016, 09:00:31 AM
It definitely needs something...... ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on April 19, 2016, 09:12:25 AM
I am having a tough Day...half the boards population has a closet Jeep. I feel left out LoL
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Atkinsmatt on April 19, 2016, 09:42:59 AM
Don't you have one somewhere?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 19, 2016, 09:44:21 AM
He doesn't have one of anything
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 19, 2016, 09:58:18 AM
I am having a tough Day...half the boards population has a closet Jeep. I feel left out LoL

Who needs a Jeep when you have "Patch" who's clearly Blizzard Tested with you and Mrs. K running supplies to stranded travelers?!  Now, if Jeep would put a Diesel in one......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on April 19, 2016, 04:41:53 PM
There is probably a M38 and a M715 laying about somewhere. But they aren't Fiats. My wife said I can't have a new Jeep, she wants a new Indian Scout, so I guess back to my old Dodges LoL

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 19, 2016, 04:46:17 PM
I am having a tough Day...half the boards population has a closet Jeep. I feel left out LoL

Who needs a Jeep when you have "Patch" who's clearly Blizzard Tested with you and Mrs. K running supplies to stranded travelers?!  Now, if Jeep would put a Diesel in one......

They do & it's an over seas only model. With that stated Ashley had one of their grand cherokee's with the diesel. Long story short he had it for a couple years & traded it out this spring since the dealer had it more than he did anyhow.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on April 19, 2016, 05:03:12 PM
Yep.  I had to trade it off.  It was in the shop 4 months out of the 20 months we owned it.  3 of those months were consecutive...  We traded it off and downsized to a car. 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 19, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
FaceInPalm SMH!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on April 19, 2016, 05:23:07 PM
Ash and Duane in the same day, and the same thread. What's next? Kooter driving a Chevy?   :o
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 19, 2016, 05:57:15 PM
OK, enough clutter for one day. I had purchased a 2" Old Man Emu HD suspension lift. Couple things worth mentioning, I ordered it through quadratec. The girl who does the web consult is more computer illiterate than my dog. After a couple disconnections she was able to tell me that six boxes shipped from them to me. Great, however there were no instructions included. Not that I need instructions what I needed was to verify if I had all the components. She was no help in that department. So I then called their sales staff and a very nice guy was able to confirm I had all the components. He also was able to tell me that OME had just change the parts in the kit and that's why it did not match any of the pictures or install threads I had skimmed over. Was also told OME does not provide instructions with their lift kits. I guess I don't have a problem with that but a list of components seems like a good idea. For the record I have the worst luck and normally am shorted parts in a lift kit. Happened too many times for me to not at least check before I ever turn a wrench.

The kit went on pretty easy, it was straight forward. I did sacrifice a front drivers bump stop. It appeared both bump stops on the front had been bottomed out many times. I guess that was part of the rubbing I felt / heard. Also worth noting the front shocks on the upper studs were not being cooperative. After a minute I said the heck with that and broke out the torch. Made quick work of that, smoked up my shop with that lovely burnt rubber smell. Also worth noting, my timing of opening the garage door to clear out said smoke was impeccable. One of my neighbors just happened to be driving by the house in his audi when the plume must have exited the garage. I heard him slam on his brakes and I looked out to see him trying to tell if my shop was on fire.

(http://i.imgur.com/EHTm2oy.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GNPngGq.jpg)

Drove the jeep after washing up to pick up a couple electrical items that had arrived at the store and it seems to ride better than stock. Steering seems a bit squirrely but after Duane posting I recalled a conversation him and I had about his lift kit and ordered LCA's. I also have a steering stabilizer kit from OME to install but ran out of time. So all is well and using Kentucky windage I believe the 2" kit is actually closer to 3.5" so I think those Australians need some help with reading a tape measure........
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 19, 2016, 10:02:36 PM
You will definitely need either adjustable LCA's or adjustable UCA's lifting one of these.  My "Complete" Pro Comp kit came with neither.  I also needed an adjustable front trac-bar.  Did your OME kit level out the forward rake any? Can't really tell by the pictures...   
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 19, 2016, 10:12:34 PM
Yes some, that garage has a sloped floor (I really hate that btw) so it's hard to tell in those pics. The one part they deleted from the kit is a 1/2" thick front upper coil spacer ring, I can buy them separately but my guess is if I bought them then it would be perfectly level. My kit didn't have any of those parts either. I did however also order the front track bar relocation bracket (lowers the frame side). It did come with one for the rear. From everything I have read most do not need the uca's with this height of lift.

Edit: I'll get better outside pics in next couple days & post up.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 19, 2016, 10:21:38 PM
On ours, we were able to bring the caster in spec using only the LCA's.  When it was done, we gained 2-1/2 inches in the rear and almost 5 inches up front.  Completely eliminated the stock forward rake.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 19, 2016, 10:30:34 PM
Copy, thanks for confirming that. Nice to have you hanging around again.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on April 20, 2016, 08:10:27 AM
I like Dustoff around too... it means I didn't scare him off at Starbucks LoL

I have to admit, even a small lift does a lot for the looks of those rigs.

You need to properly train your neighbors a bit more. Around here when they see large plumes of smoke they assume I just blew something up, and don't even get concerned anymore LoL

Speaking of smoke, I should burn the ever growing brush pile today....

So whats the next project for the Jeep?

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 20, 2016, 08:50:33 AM
My wife corrected me last night OldKoot, when they see smoke around here they think it's a good party going on! ::) Even at 9 am I guess......

Well, I am currently acquiring some electrical items. So probably that, once the track bar drop bracket & lca's show up I'll likely do all of that including steering shock absorber. The one I bought mounts it up higher out of the way.

I still need to fab the spare tire mount & also the hi lift mount.

Then first of next month I should be moving forward on drivetrain decision.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 20, 2016, 11:56:47 AM
Duane, front sits 3/4" lower (measuring to bottom of fender above wheels) than the rear. I'm not worried about it but if I had added those rings spacers it would darn near be perfectly level.

Edit: note those measurements are w/o the rear tire carrier & tire I have to fabricate / mount yet.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on April 20, 2016, 09:12:15 PM
Patch sits 3/4 a difference side to side, so your within "Jeep Spec" LoL
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 21, 2016, 12:12:54 AM
Got a good chuckle out of that. Can't say I disagree either! ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2016, 11:05:03 PM
I am having a tough Day...half the boards population has a closet Jeep. I feel left out LoL
Naw, You're OK

No one has a "Patch"
Like my Square D,,, pretty unique trucks...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 21, 2016, 11:10:27 PM
It's ok Don, I used to have non running trucks around my place. Normally I cut the drivetrains out & sold em off then scrapped the rest.  ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on April 22, 2016, 02:41:15 AM
It's ok Don, I used to have non running trucks around my place. Normally I cut the drivetrains out & sold em off then scrapped the rest.  ;)


 ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 22, 2016, 07:14:13 AM
OUCH!  Shawn launches a SCUD right to the area below the top of the navel and above the knees.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2016, 10:21:29 AM
Yea, caught that one...

He's a brutal man, that one!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 22, 2016, 10:35:31 AM
Actually, I had an ounce of compassion this morning. Was gunna mention how the tuck had no diesel mechanics in the state etc etc. went on for like a paragraph. Then I remembered Big D fell yesterday & I felt bad because I bet at his age he's feeling that tumble today so I erased it all & said a prayer that he gets feeling better.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on April 22, 2016, 03:00:59 PM
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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 25, 2016, 03:11:38 PM
So still waiting on front upper track bar drop bracket to show up. In the meantime was starting to get tired of the squirrely steering and death wobble that has happen on three occasions. So after my morning workout I came home & installed the new parts I had laying around. As it was I had purchased the adjustable rock crawler lca's & they come with a starting point for overall length depending on amount of lift. Figure using their numbers should get caster back somewhere in the correct zip code. They went on lickity split.

I decide to mount the OME steering stabilizer & relocation (above tie rod) kit. So I pull off the original stabilizer which is literally about 1" od....... The seals were non existent & tipping it up or down would allow the rod to either fall out all the way or bottom out on the interior of the tube. So yeah that might have been a contributing factor to the DW....... ::) bolted on new mount for the one end & unbolted & turned opposite end mount around. Then relocated it 240mm from new mount at other end to set correct spacing for new stabilizer shock. Took for a short trip & it is no longer squirrely & no hint of DW.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on April 26, 2016, 07:02:23 AM
Now...... time for some 37" rubber and a CB radio.  ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 26, 2016, 08:45:47 AM
Sean I'm following this and really like it.

I wonder, why the older Jeeps are still so expensive.  I was looking at a CJ7 from the 70s and wanted to stuff a 4bt in it but they are still proud of those things.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 26, 2016, 08:55:50 AM
I know, I like the cj-8's a lot. They hold their value like any antique. Add to the fact the "wrangler" type vehicle has best resale value of any vehicle & there you have it I think. Personally if I were to mod any jeep I'd stay with the tj coil spring front & rear setup or newer then build from there. They just work so much better as an off road vehicle not to mention the after market support is over the top.

I already have the CB & antennae mount is on the front fender. The fire stick is just too tall to keep it on & park in garage so I store it in roll bar padding in back.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on April 26, 2016, 09:42:08 AM
Some inspiration from Jeep Beach in Daytona. I just got back from seeing every possible JK custom piece known to man from convertible soft tops, to concept Cherokee chief based on a stretched JK platform. That green one has the 702hp hellcat
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on April 26, 2016, 10:19:32 AM
That's a BUNCH of jeeps!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on April 26, 2016, 10:43:51 AM
We actually took over the entire infield of Daytona Speedway. Lots and lots and LOTS of cool stuff to get inspired with.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 26, 2016, 01:11:03 PM
Nice...... ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on April 26, 2016, 01:49:12 PM
That blue and white one that looks a bit like a old commando is pretty cool.

Resale on Jeeps is also very regional...out here you can pick up a old CJ with a decent tub/frame still quite reasonable, if one looks. If I built a wrangler or a CJ that's how I'd buy it.... a tub/frame/title. It's a Jeep, when building one you toss everything else out anyway. But I agree, I'd build a light roll over coil sprung TJ if I wanted a street/trail rig type of Jeep. They can be bought reasonable and the aftermarket makes about any conceivable bolt on you can fathom.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 28, 2016, 05:09:04 PM
OK, so not much has been done to JK lately. Wife has been keeping me busy as have the kids with summer camps and tournaments. Built an outside yard shed, had some concrete poured and just now (next couple weeks) finishing a multi tiered deck. Trying to make our modest home useable for us at least until the youngest gets out of school in around 7 years. Also starting on finishing basement shortly.

Anyhow, back to JK and the quart of oil it is consuming every 1K miles. It has just shy of 77K on the odometer and from everything I'm reading this motor is about ready to eat itself at some point. I have been researching a few different options for the truck. The one I was leaning very heavily towards was the 5.3L ls swap and kit from MOTECH in Vegas. If I wanted or needed a ton of HP and budget was not an issue and it always is then I would have went this route spending 12-15K in the process. Was almost there in fact as Robbie and I have been discussing this back and forth via email for some time now. The other thing with this option other than cost is having to deal with emissions crap here in CO. It can be done but is always a hassle especially with motor swaps.

So during the last several months of researching I came across an article by my old friend Pete Strasborg of JP Magazine fame, God Bless his soul. I have to admit I didn't realize Pete had passed last year he was in fact my age and that is far too young IMO. Once I sold GLO and essentially retired from the off road business I kind of became a bit of a recluse to that part of my former life. Pete was a great guy and it shows by the amount of outpouring and tributes that were written about him. He once helped me bring a mountain of attention to a little piece of Heaven in Evarts, KY better known today as Black Mountain Off Road Park. With his help this 7K acre  originally free off road park has helped turn that community into an off roader's paradise. Rest in Peace Pete...........

So back to this article he wrote it in late 2014 and it was about a small engine builder called 505 Performance based out of NM. Apparently this company saw a need for their product in all of the crappy Mexican built 3.8L JK motors that can barely if at all last 100K in a JK. They have isolated all the problem areas from poor main bearing design to our friends south of the border lining up piston rings when assembling the bottom end of these motors. They then bore and stroke the little 3.8L to a mild 4.1L in the process add a custom cam and roller rockers along with ported heads. Sounds nice and it will pass emissions and even increase fuel mileage.

So I started doing research on 505 Performance and they have a couple negative things floating around on the interweb however when adding a bit of salt to the recipe it looks as a lot of it has been growing pains which most businesses have in one form or another. I've had several discussions with them and today sent off a deposit check for my new motor. They currently have a 5 week back log which if they can stick to is should put me into early August to receive the built motor. My plan is to get girls back into school and perform the swap. Now from dealing with performance engine builders in the past they are normally always busy and always have a customer or two who has had a bad experience. For the record I too have had experience in the past that was less than wonderful so we'll see.

Lastly here is a link to 505 Performance

http://www.505performance.com/
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on June 28, 2016, 10:40:33 PM
Sounds like a mucho cheaper way to go. Anything would be better than what they came with stock.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 29, 2016, 12:11:22 AM
Sounds like a mucho cheaper way to go. Anything would be better than what they came with stock.

Agreed
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on June 29, 2016, 01:31:20 AM
Sounds promising but sure lots of 'ifs" on the sight. Sure you've done some research though on your end.

Are you referring to the $5500 motor? You could do the LS motor for 1/2 that and if smog is the issue I think they are like Ca. Just has to be the same year or newer motor from the same type vehicle. So if the JK is considered a utility you are fine.Once cleared by the ref or smog whatever, the smog as normal.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 29, 2016, 08:41:58 AM
JR, Cali recently pulled registration on all the aev hemi swaps. They are not following the rules making them now illegal swaps. I've done my homework, to do the ls swap "legally" only way I see to do it here is with Robbie from Motechs help. His cost is over $5k for his kit, add in adapters for transmission new exhaust & then a good used motor (real crap shoot there as I've been looking for couple months now). BTW, his registrations aren't being pulled in Cali as he follows letter of law.

So with all of that stated, yes $5K for a motor is steep (& there are 4.1L stroker kits I can buy from hesco too but I don't know any engine builders here either) but they do a lot of these so I decided to go this route as they seem to specialize in this build. Does it suck paying that? Yep, but it sucks swapping a oem motor at 77k too......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on June 29, 2016, 09:06:39 AM
Or stop by the Kentucky and use someone's address from there to get some tags...

Smog...fog...We don't care bout no smog....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 29, 2016, 09:51:27 AM
Actually contemplated that as well, plenty of places that don't care. But for resale out here etc I think this is best route. Time will tell.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on June 29, 2016, 10:40:57 AM
As I said, you've done your research. They are ready for more "cash for clunkers" too'

Another reason I had to go with a 2500 vs 1500 for the cummins. I could register up north here and avoid things, or out of state,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 29, 2016, 11:05:38 AM
JR, they're thinking about doing that cash for clunkers deal again? It was such a flop the first go around. All it did was make the cheap cars unaffordable for the poor. Well that & scrap our good used parts sources....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on June 29, 2016, 11:12:43 PM
Yep, always money for that and new gun laws. They keep sending me letters to turn in my 86 elky for $1500, right,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 30, 2016, 07:49:53 PM
Ok, so in preparation for coming motor swap I am spending some funds on parts. One of which is this cat back system. Thinking eight years on stocker exhaust means myself and prior owner received our money's worth and time for an upgrade. So I purchased this setup, it also removes low hanging fruit of the rear muffler.

http://m.quadratec.com/products/product.php?pid=17618+0004+07

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=heGCpa1dtVg&autoplay=1

So my plan here is to install it with stock motor in July and then assess whether I can fit a larger storage area where the muffler used to be located. Somewhere I saw someone making a larger fabricated unit to replace the dinky small storage area there. If not I'll just build my own or adapt another storage box to fit. I'm thinking maybe a couple army can that have been upgraded.....

Then I stopped by rockauto.com & picked up a new Timken throw out bearing and pilot bearing. Still researching clutches but thinking about a SPEC clutch http://www.specclutch.com/ anyone have any experience with these guys? In my past race days we always ran Fort Wayne clutch units but I'm a bit far away from the fort now.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on June 30, 2016, 09:05:11 PM
Looks and sounds nice for a Flowmaster system. They were my favorite for a long time.

So are you doing the install?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 30, 2016, 10:32:42 PM
Yep, I'll be doing all mods & I didn't think it was too bad of a sound for a v-6 most of them sound pretty ricy
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on July 01, 2016, 08:07:36 AM
I think flowmaster is one of the final options I've narrowed it down to for XJ.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on July 01, 2016, 09:35:07 AM
You still have the xj? Thought it was getting sold last I heard......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on July 01, 2016, 11:42:53 AM
You still have the xj? Thought it was getting sold last I heard......

It's still an option. Depending on the day, depends on which option I'd choose.

And I was wrong, Magnaflow is one of the options, not flowmaster.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on July 01, 2016, 07:39:34 PM
& that's why I love rockauto.com, ordered parts yesterday afternoon & they arrived today. How is that possible for basic cheap Usps shipping?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on July 02, 2016, 05:09:17 AM
They do amaze me too. I think they ship from so many places (like amazon) parts come from fairly close by.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on July 03, 2016, 04:19:17 PM
Glad to see you making some progress, again!  Ready to see this build in person too.  Should be a nice set up knowing you and your attention to detail...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 04, 2016, 07:56:26 AM
Sean,  I'm not familiar with any of this but am curious. What part of the law is aev not following and why is ca pulling their registration ?


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on August 16, 2016, 02:16:34 PM
Sean,  I'm not familiar with any of this but am curious. What part of the law is aev not following and why is ca pulling their registration ?


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Something to do with "patching" the Ecm to make it run the hemi which is against the mans rules.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on August 16, 2016, 02:22:04 PM
Ok, so short update

Ordered centerforce clutch & pressure plate last week from Summit

Spoke with Zack @ 505 just a few mins ago. We were going over final specifics for the stroker & he presented another option......

They now make an ultra reliable 3.8 HO motor. I will explain in greater detail later. However, I am going this route & the plan is to supercharge it by years end. More reliability & power, win, win!

Motor to be shipped to me end of next week.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 24, 2016, 12:31:26 AM
SOoooooo, month later and motor was finally shipped this past Weds. I picked it up from my freight terminal today. Brought it home & unpackaged it, going to go buy cheapo engine stand in morning. Started making supply list & planning attack.

Looked online for maintenance manual & decided or rather recalled I'm too cheap to buy one & the free ones for download pretty much bring the suck. Then decided to text Ken & only mini van he claims he ever worked on was H's custom one that was more like a 2 ton truck to haul her heavy butt around. So I struck out there as well & decided to wing it...... ;)

Wife will be out of town on biz next week so in a 2 vehicle household that gives me more than one advantage. The first being the honey do list does not exist when she's not here & second I have a shop / parts vehicle. Yeah I know the wr450 can always do the light lifting but thinking her Lexus trunk is better place for flywheel to be then my backpack when making trip to parts store for surfacing.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on September 24, 2016, 04:24:43 AM
Come on, lets see some pics!!!!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 24, 2016, 07:22:51 AM
You know the rules Shawn....


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on September 24, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
Ya, concur guys

None of this actually happened!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 24, 2016, 04:36:17 PM
Ya, concur guys

None of this actually happened!

For the record this is what Ken claims about H and that supporting bumper sticker, but we all know better!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 24, 2016, 04:40:24 PM
OK, upon arrival to my shop yesterday. Motor laid on its side with couple of 2x4's stuck under it as to not smash oil pan. Banded and shrink wrapped to the skid. Was this ideal? Possibly, but I have purchased custom motors in the past and a $40 engine stand is cheap insurance. Upon getting it on the stand I did not see any issues due to shipping. Which was good as those shipping guys practice breaking bowling balls with rubber mallets on their lunch breaks........

(http://i.imgur.com/5chhFS1.jpg)


Just a few minutes ago after assembling and then modifying elcheapo engine stand to fit the mini van mill. Oh I so much miss my American made quality engine stand. But for $50 I guess I can drill a couple holes and buy some bolts......

(http://i.imgur.com/pQhCW8w.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/tYlAfDF.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/iMQNe67.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 24, 2016, 04:48:46 PM
Here's the specs on my motor


3.8 Jeep JK HO 240hp Long block

Complete long block with forged pistons, upgraded oiling system, timing cover.

Forged 10.1 compression 5/64 upgraded ring pack

custom Cloyes timing set

Blue printed race rods ARP bolts

Performance heads with stainless valves (also upgraded to ARP head bolts for supercharger)

Roller rocker kit

Custom push in rear seal kit

COMPLETE

stage torque monster camshaft (upgraded this for future supercharger)

3.650 stroke crankshaft  (plus .250 stroke)

Custom forged pistons .030 or .060 pistons 10:1 compression (these were also upgraded to a micro slick coated custom forged piston)

H-Beam Rods, all gaskets, lifters, freeze plugs, coated rod/main bearings, cam bearings, full adjustable roller rockers, stainless valves, ported cylinder heads,Cloyes custom timing set.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on September 24, 2016, 04:55:57 PM
You can throw lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.......

 :)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 24, 2016, 04:58:47 PM
You can throw lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.......

 :)

I agree to an extent, but living in hippy land and not wanting to deal with the commies anymore than I have to this seemed like the path of least resistance and should work for what I need it to do. Plus LS swap was a bit more coin and quite a bit more work.

PS, I wasn't big on the purple anodizing of the rockers but they said it was H's favorite so I thought well at least Ken will like it....... :)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on September 24, 2016, 05:01:10 PM
Fish on!! lol
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on September 24, 2016, 06:21:04 PM
Nice looking, cept the Ken rockers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ken, you an EFI guy at all?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on September 24, 2016, 07:59:42 PM
Color on those rocker arms just wrecks it for me

Other than that it's an outstanding motor

So, you decided to run the clear Lexan valve covers? ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 24, 2016, 09:57:11 PM
So far the vote tally shows 1 for the clear valve covers & 39 against. Sorry Ken, you ain't gunna get your way this time..... ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: wyorunner on September 24, 2016, 11:22:37 PM
Blue over purple would have been better but what the hey, it'll run! Also saw your comment on WDYDT about the 1000lb rating on the elcheapo.... It held my Cummins..... With a bottle jack on a stack of wood at the front...


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 24, 2016, 11:43:19 PM
Blue over purple would have been better but what the hey, it'll run! Also saw your comment on WDYDT about the 1000lb rating on the elcheapo.... It held my Cummins..... With a bottle jack on a stack of wood at the front...


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That's funny, cheating (with the bottle jack and wood) but funny none the less.... ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: wyorunner on September 24, 2016, 11:45:56 PM
Honestly, I was mildly terrified of that engine on that stand, but didn't have another option so I went with it and hoped for the best. And well so far so good I guess. Only time will tell if anything is wrong inside the engine.


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on September 25, 2016, 12:30:37 AM
Nice looking, cept the Ken rockers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ken, you an EFI guy at all?

EFI as in fuel injection, or EFI as in tuning? Yes on both counts.....wait....but I don't tune if that's what you mean.

Hey isn't this fun, Dotting up Shawn's thread?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on September 25, 2016, 01:24:58 AM
Yep, EFILive. I don't tune either but having issues with new firmware. I adjust some settings and always loaded through the flashscan.

I can only program using the old "tun" not the "CTZ" it all converts to now. Been reading my but off, but have not got the flashscan to program alone.

Right now I have a 100/230 tune running, but it is touchy at low throttle. It gets great mileage though. I have a DSP5 by IdahoRob, but running his 100hp never felt this solid or got the mileage.

I talked to Dave a little tonight and will probably call Rob this next week.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 25, 2016, 07:18:29 AM
If I'm lucky I get 16mpg out of the LB7 on the highway with Kory's DSP5 on the 150 tune


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 25, 2016, 09:59:32 PM
After the Broncos pummeled the Cinci boys mid day I went out and tore into the JK having parked it where it will lay peacefully for the next several days prior to the game. I started by taking lots of pictures, can't hurt as there are a lot of wires. With that said half the battle is trying to figure out what needs unhooked and what stays? First thing to get unhooked was a negative battery cable.

So I pulled the lower plastic air dam to find no drain on the radiator (brilliant I might add) so then pulled the lower radiator hose and made a mess. I mean who doesn't want anti freeze all over their floor to roll around in? Add some kitty litter and you have a great party environment. Speaking of environment don't call the EPA....

Then pulled belt to try and keep clean. Heater hoses came loose as did the ac pump. I read you can just unbolt it from the motor and swing it to the side. Same goes for the steering pump although I pulled the hoses as it seemed easier to pull pump out of the vehicle. The overflow reservoir came out and it appears I will have enough room to swing motor forward and not have to pull electric fan.

I finished out the evening by pulling the four bolts at the exhaust flanges, kind of a pain as supposedly once there were clips that held the upper nuts from spinning. They had long since rotted away and a small vise grip improvised holding them to loosen the bolts from the bottom with a long extension and swivel head socket.

One I get my wife unit on a plane in the morning I will tackle the rear bell housing bolts. Top two are said to be a real pain to get to so we'll see. Once those are removed the plan is to pull the 6 bolts that hold the motor mounts to the engine block. I would pull the single bolt holding the frame mount to the engine mount however I would need to drop the Y pipe with O2 sensors and think I can get it swapped while leaving them in place. Time will tell......


No turning back now....

(http://i.imgur.com/ValgOc6.jpg)

Prior to unhooking stuff or in process I took a ton of pictures and zip tied via colored ties both sides of a connection. I also bagged and labeled all hardware for the install. I can't tell you how much it all helped.

(http://i.imgur.com/9UBhzdD.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ztf7dI1.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/dEFGpd7.jpg)

After unhooking all the wiring and the plumbing I went to work on bolts. Here is the under side inspection cover of sorts.

(http://i.imgur.com/RJVYVkg.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/OYAHqZ3.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/93xL1tg.jpg)

then the first tool sacrifice, no name brand model I have had for my adult life

(http://i.imgur.com/FyKmjz5.jpg)



Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on September 25, 2016, 10:17:41 PM
One recommendation would be to leave the main harness attached to the engine (if at all possible), and once on the stand, take even more pics of how it's ran...under this bracket, over this, around that..etc.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 25, 2016, 10:24:52 PM
Ken, I need to look at that closer tomorrow as it runs along the back of the motor. I started unhooking it from the firewall today then stopped as I thought maybe I was unhooking the wrong thing. After getting under it for exhaust I see that the main harness is held in place by the passenger side upper bell housing bolt. So once I pull them I should be able to lift that harness up top side and get a better understanding of its path.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on September 25, 2016, 10:35:18 PM
Yeah, most of the newer cars have a just a few connections and are meant to be pulled/installed with the engine on the assembly line. Not like a lot of the older ones...
...but, sometimes you have to unplug all the trans stuff as well, because it's part of the main harness. Some of those are easier to leave in the vehicle. Just gotta figure out which way is better... and easiest to remember.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 25, 2016, 10:45:57 PM
Copy, Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on September 25, 2016, 11:16:18 PM
Good luck, take lots of pics for us.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 25, 2016, 11:20:37 PM
Anyone have tips for getting those high pressure fuel lines to release. I picked up an elcheapo tool at advance yesterday that slides up in the connection but can't get it to release. I saw on an article a guy using a set that kinda looks like what a dentist would pull your teeth with (plier like) but sears didn't have anything either. Thought maybe I'd stop at napa & see what they have tomorrow.

Heck JR, the pics are for me hoping I can get this put back together! ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on September 25, 2016, 11:43:47 PM
I know, just share the misery,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 26, 2016, 12:56:16 AM
So sitting here contemplating a couple things. The stock motor has 80k under its belt. When I purchased it as the second owner the car fax was provided. It had a clean bill of health, as such what is the consensus for replacing things like the cam position sensor & water pump? I like to wear things out myself & if it's not broke don't fix it. I've also been on trail rides with guys who say swapped out a fuel pump just because & made that particular trip not so much fun when the unproven part gave up the ghost. So do I keep using what I have or buy new parts?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on September 26, 2016, 08:53:42 AM
So sitting here contemplating a couple things. The stock motor has 80k under its belt. When I purchased it as the second owner the car fax was provided. It had a clean bill of health, as such what is the consensus for replacing things like the cam position sensor & water pump? I like to wear things out myself & if it's not broke don't fix it. I've also been on trail rides with guys who say swapped out a fuel pump just because & made that particular trip not so much fun when the unproven part gave up the ghost. So do I keep using what I have or buy new parts?
I'd say that if you can get a quality American built part or something made eslewhere that you know meets US quality, then replace it.
If your only choice is Autozone, then maybe just cleaning the old poece up and bolting it up would be fine, as long as it passes muster
I'd go for a new belt tensioner/idler pulley anyway, and all new hoses. 08-16...8 to 9 years, ya, replace the hoses.
Oh, and I wouldn't try to salvage that antifreeze with the kitty litter all over the floor, your shirt and momma's sofa... ;-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 26, 2016, 09:50:06 AM
All good points, I have kids so couch was toast day after we brought it home..... ::)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on September 26, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
Try to keep the electronics original, but anything that can damage the engine like the waterpump, hoses, etc, I would replace. At 80k, it probably wouldn't hurt to change the O2 sensors (I use Denso aftermarket) and the oil pressure switch.

On the fuel lines, be sure to push and twist them inwards, while working the tool....kinda like an air couple...you have to take the tension off before they release.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 26, 2016, 10:57:43 AM
Copy, I'm doing the complete exhaust in next month or so. I have it just figured one project at a time. Thanks for tip on fuel lines, will try that as I wasn't pushing them together or twisting....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 26, 2016, 10:33:52 PM
Pulled, will update in next day or so. Have quite a few pics, the upper two bellhousing bolts put up a good fight.

https://imgur.com/a/aazNw (https://imgur.com/a/aazNw)

Ken, thanks for the tip on the fuel line. It came right apart.....

Updated pulled pics, made a mess with coolant everywhere

(http://i.imgur.com/sB5NJKU.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Ek4MgaY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/K4rZsYR.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/vSkF7T3.jpg)


Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on September 27, 2016, 12:24:48 AM
That looks pretty clean for a pull out.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 08:35:30 AM
Just over 80k on it, had a guy call about it last night. He threw a rod in his 07 Sunday. With that said if it were me while I had this motor out I would pull the pan, re ring the pistons and check the bottom end bearings. Those are the couple big weak spots with this motor stock.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2016, 09:19:42 AM
Pulled, will update in next day or so. Have quite a few pics, the upper two bellhousing bolts put up a good fight.

https://imgur.com/a/aazNw (https://imgur.com/a/aazNw)

Ken, thanks for the tip on the fuel line. It came right apart.....
You two girls finally gettin' along? :-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2016, 09:22:40 AM
Shawn,

After 30 min with some hot soapy water from a pressure washer and that engine bay is going to look almost as good as new!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 02:10:32 PM
Copy, on tomorrow's list with assembling new motor to go back in. With that stated, old engine had block heater. I never used it but this jeep came out of Canada where it gets cold. I'd have to remove a freeze plug to install it & it's a stand alone meaning it has nothing to do with computer. I'm thinking of just leaving it out & if I ever need it I can always install it, thoughts?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on September 27, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
One less thing to do and what would it hurt?

I like using simple green to clean muck like that..
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on September 27, 2016, 03:33:36 PM
Id put it back in now while you have EASY access to it now instead of busting knuckles later.......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 03:44:31 PM
I'm leaning towards leaving it out for couple reasons. First it has an oring seal so really I should probably buy a new one & two I never needed a block heater in Indiana & I really have no plans to live someplace as cold or colder than where I used to live.

JR, yeah I buy simple green by the gallon & my plan was to use that as I like it too...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on September 27, 2016, 03:53:11 PM
I'd put it back in

and make a rule

When it gets down under 10F

Plug in the engine heater or put it on a timer to turn on, say an hour before I planned to use it

That will do the moving parts a lot of good in the long run with having easy flowing partially warmed oil lubing the cold metal on metal start the motor might see on really cold soaked days
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 04:11:44 PM
It would never get used if that was the criteria
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 27, 2016, 07:18:49 PM
Just park it in a heated garage. Call it good.


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 08:32:23 PM
Just park it in a heated garage. Call it good.


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It is, part of reason I'm leaning that way.

Sold old motor today.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on September 27, 2016, 08:56:39 PM
Hope you got everything you needed off it. lol
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 09:17:02 PM
Hope you got everything you needed off it. lol

I believe so, it looked like new motor before I loaded it up....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on September 27, 2016, 09:53:38 PM
Glad to finally see some progress out of you!  I like the looks of that new motor!  That dark purple makes it look fast....  Fits your style as well...  :-X

You should have just hollered if you needed help.  I'm only a few hours from you now! 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 10:01:04 PM
Yeah, just for the record smart a** commentary is considered any help I need..... ;)

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on September 27, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
You know you're going to get the commentary regardless.  Might as well make use of my dumb mind, weak back, and slow hands while you're at it....  ::)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 10:22:51 PM
You know you're going to get the commentary regardless.  Might as well make use of my dumb mind, weak back, and slow hands while you're at it....  ::)

Was there a positive in you coming to help? I don't think I read any in that above offer......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on September 27, 2016, 10:29:05 PM
Sure, the commentary....  ;D

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 27, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
Sure, the commentary....  ;D

I get that daily from you in text message. Getting forgetful in your old age, birthday coming up shortly I might add. Male midget strippers this time?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 27, 2016, 11:14:39 PM
Ash you arent in E Tex any more?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 28, 2016, 12:23:25 AM
Ash you arent in E Tex any more?

I'll reply because who knows when next Ash will get on here to answer.

H&A is a multi state operation and currently they are working a large job in NM. He still owns his "mansion & estate" (inside joke) near Carthage TX & H&A corporate offices are still in Logansport La.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 28, 2016, 01:05:28 PM
Suggestion, a new crank bolt is advised. Installing crank back on motor. About the first inch of said bolt snapped off & I can see it after pulling harmonic balancer back off the front side of it is up in crank about an 3/4" deep...... good day just went to crap.
















But once again in a former life I dealt with steel. That sucky bolt musta been grade 2 Chinese crap because I was able to drill out center like butter. Punch in an American made screw extractor & remove said junk. Praise Jesus!!!!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on September 28, 2016, 01:16:28 PM
That'll slow you down for a few, but sure leaves some opens up some prime commentary,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 28, 2016, 07:58:34 PM
That will make you cranky....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 28, 2016, 09:28:50 PM
That will make you cranky....

First, I have plenty of pics but phone is acting up & wife unit took laptop so those will have to wait.

So started day assembling motor & cleaning parts with simple green to re install. Was going good right until the crank bolt for harmonic balancer decide to break off. In reality it only took about 15 mins to get it out. So wasn't too big of a deal but by then it was lunch time & parts grocery list was accumulating along with needing new crank bolt.

Part of the grocery list was new fly wheel bolts. The stock ones were T-50 head & well I sacrificed a good T-50 socket on one the other day. So after welding a chunk of steel to said bolt I decided that a couple others should be replaced as well. Jeep wanted $4.50 ea & 3-5 days..... So I went to fastenal and in true fashion they didn't have them in stock. For reference they are a 10mm x 1.00 pitch (super fine thread which no one stocks) x 30mm long. But another location east of Denver did have a single partial bag so off I went. Picked up parts & lunch all is good.

Come home & go to install harmonic balancer, I end up spinning motor which confirms plastic stocker valve covers are in fact hitting roller rockers. They did seem a bit snug, so I call up 505. After 5 calls a guy answers and I tell him what's going on. He says oh yeah you need to take a screw driver and bust out some upper inner plastic piece. My response, you guys didn't think this was useful info to send with motor? So I take covers off & break out what is essentially I believe an upper baffle. Didn't really appear to be of any structural value & it came right out.

After that it was on to wire wheeling frame & laying on a coat of undercoat. That nice fedex guy showed up & I finished assembly of the front side of the motor. New water pump, tension & idle pulley. Worth noting I also installed new egr valve. Mine would throw a code anytime in the morning it was under 60 degrees. Assume it's old and getting gummed up, started last spring and nothing all summer until now. Again, out with old in with the new....

So by this time after running kids for school I'm beat and hooking up various wires on motor. I also put new plastic wire covering on anything that was starting to rot & fall apart to tidy it up. So last thing I try to do is hook the throttle body connector back up. For whatever reason it's super tight & fighting me. I finally get it to where it should snap on and a tab on top side breaks off. So I run to napa & guys there can't seem to find a replacement. So I come home and search the web, seems this is an issue with the top tab breaking off. Everyone I see is just zip tying them. Napa guys think this is a Jeep only part and saw one post where a guy was able to get the connector from an old harness & use some pin removal tool to swap it out. If jeep makes me buy whole harness I will probably just zip tie it & wait to replace until supercharger install. If I have to replace it means pulling upper intake, not a hard job with motor in jeep.

I also wire wheeled and painted up oil dip stick, Don will be happy I painted a couple somethings.....

So plan is still moving forward & with any luck I'll get motor back resting in Jeep tomorrow. Need to replace throw out bearing with timken bearing and install timken pilot bearing in the fly wheel I had surfaced. Napa guys charged me $30 & took off .025 it probably didn't need it but I thought it was good insurance.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 28, 2016, 10:54:49 PM
Couple teasers

https://imgur.com/a/6PlSF

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on September 29, 2016, 07:40:51 PM
Picture dump & fine details coming tomorrow late.

Motor is in Jeep bolted to transmission & resting on its own motor mounts.

Ken, fly wheel did not have symmetrical bolt pattern. It only went on one way & I didn't break anything today either...... ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 29, 2016, 08:13:35 PM
you are making hay there, hippy.  (I beat Ken to it)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2016, 08:33:19 PM
I'm happy to hear you painted a few things! :-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 01, 2016, 03:00:16 PM
Update, pretty disappointed. Motor is & runs well, did initial half hour break in to realize the rear main seal is leaking. Gunna try to get jeep on rack local & get transmission pulled (seems much easier than pulling motor again). Have call & email in to 505, we'll see what they say. Final payment was made via PayPal. So I think I have some leverage. May pull inspection cover to clutch & see if I can see more tomorrow. In meantime I'm spending time with wife, will get install pics etc update shortly.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 01, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
To bad about the seal. All that $$ and the seal leaks? If a one peice I bet it was put in dry.

 I think you have 160 days on PP.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 01, 2016, 04:34:56 PM
505 responded to email, rear main seal never leaks was his reply. Wanted to know if I sealed lower intake with gasket sealer front & rear & also flywheel bolts which I did.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on October 01, 2016, 05:55:32 PM
505 must think they are dealing with a rookie...........
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 01, 2016, 06:46:44 PM
Nate, first & foremost everyone makes mistakes. It happens, my guess was rear main seal w/o pulling inspection cover. Not saying I might not be at fault too. I'm tired, honestly being on a time frame etc to get this back on the road had me stressed all week.

I'm in decent shape but swapping motors like this is really a two man job. I made due & still utilized my 14 year olds smaller diameter arms a couple times to get bolts started in tight spots. Other times I used ratchet straps to pull etc when an extra set of knowledgeable hands would have been great not to mention another pair of eyes.

Anyhow I'm sore & tired so pulling the transmission is going to be done by a guy down the street with a real lift. I can do it on the ground & have plenty of times but stuff that should have gotten done last week cannot wait until week after this coming & I need my Jeep. WR450 will work for week or so in the mean time.

In the meantime the facts are this, the motor runs (sounds good too) but is bleeding for some reason.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 01, 2016, 08:19:10 PM
Sorry to hear Shawn. Frustrating for sure


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on October 01, 2016, 09:40:57 PM
Can't you get to the RMS by removing the oil pan? I know you can do it on my 4.0, which I probably should do. Every place around here is all " you gotta pull the motor..."

It's easier to remove the axle (which I don't want to do), drop the oil pan, un bolt stuff, replace the 2 piece seal, then reverse process.. Maybe before winter.. Maybe.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 01, 2016, 09:52:06 PM
Can't you get to the RMS by removing the oil pan? I know you can do it on my 4.0, which I probably should do. Every place around here is all " you gotta pull the motor..."

It's easier to remove the axle (which I don't want to do), drop the oil pan, un bolt stuff, replace the 2 piece seal, then reverse process.. Maybe before winter.. Maybe.

Yours is the older common 2 piece style and yes you are correct on those motors. Mine is the newer mo better (supposedly) 1 piece rear main. You have to pull motor or trans/t-case and the trans/t-case is a 7 hour (by the book job) so a shop knowing what they are doing should be able to do it in 5 or less with equipment and make money on 7 hours of labor. If I still had my old shop lift and equipment (local friends to help) I would have it done already..........
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on October 01, 2016, 09:55:08 PM
Yours is the older common 2 piece style and yes you are correct on those motors. Mine is the newer mo better (supposedly) 1 piece rear main. You have to pull motor or trans/t-case and the trans/t-case is a 7 hour (by the book job) so a shop knowing what they are doing should be able to do it in 5 or less with equipment and make money on 7 hours of labor. If I still had my old shop lift and equipment (local friends to help) I would have it done already..........

Well that sucks.  :-[
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 01, 2016, 10:16:39 PM
Yours is the older common 2 piece style and yes you are correct on those motors. Mine is the newer mo better (supposedly) 1 piece rear main. You have to pull motor or trans/t-case and the trans/t-case is a 7 hour (by the book job) so a shop knowing what they are doing should be able to do it in 5 or less with equipment and make money on 7 hours of labor. If I still had my old shop lift and equipment (local friends to help) I would have it done already..........

Well that sucks.  :-[

Honestly, to you and TRN who sent their condolences I hope the new $400 clutch and pressure plate doesn't have oil all over it and it's just an easy seal fix. While I was doing the half hour break in I never pushed in the clutch. We'll see I guess.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 02, 2016, 02:09:24 AM
If it is the rear seal it is on them. You really can't hurt those unless you try.

You put on the intake with the motor out, should be a no brainer, but we all make mistakes.

If you can verify the rear main and 505 doesn't step up fast, let paypal do its thing. That will get their attention.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 03:25:46 PM
If it is the rear seal it is on them. You really can't hurt those unless you try.

You put on the intake with the motor out, should be a no brainer, but we all make mistakes.

If you can verify the rear main and 505 doesn't step up fast, let paypal do its thing. That will get their attention.

I installed the intake correctly, used gasket maker on the two spots front & rear of intake per the JK install manual. Torqued it in per correct pattern & ft #. 505 supplied gaskets so they should be of good quality.

Next we go to the second part of his response. He asked if I sealed the fly wheel bolts? I did with med thread sealer. Here's the thing on that, per the manual they don't need any sealer. So did he machine the crank so that those 8 holes on back of crank now somehow enter into the oil pan sump area? If so then what sealer was I really supposed to use? If he did then its kinda like those valve covers & he should have told me it would have been a possible issue regardless. When you build and modify things it is on you to communicate to all parties how those modifications will impact the project. Project management 101 there.....

The other thing that gives me some concern is that he has a disclaimer on his site that states if I pay him (rather than receive a $400 credit) to install oil pan, timing cover & rear seal they are not liable if they leak because they cannot bring motor up to operating temperature to check. So one must ask why I'm paying $400 if he doesn't have to be concerned in how it's installed? Secondly it could be stated if they never leak why is it on their site in regards to the 3.8L motor builds? It was or has been an issue at some point to someone.

Again facts are this, I could have screwed up installing the intake. I might have installed it per the book & it still leaks, things happen. Still wondering what is up with sealing fly wheel bolts? Can't find any reference to those needing to be sealed anywhere. (Ken if you're reading, any thoughts?) Then again it may be the rear main seal that never leaks.

I decided to take today off and will inspect further Monday morning. Will pull trans inspection cover & see what there is to see along with trying to see / feel behind lower intake up top for oil. I'll go from there then.......

I did update some past posts with more pictures last night to those interested. Imgur wasn't too helpful though & I have more to add yet.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 02, 2016, 05:41:50 PM
Some cranks have open holes in the crank, but can't tell you if that's the case on a 3.8. Even if they are, and even without any type of sealant, they wouldn't leak ....but might seep over time.

Possibly cam plug, galley plugs, oil pan upper or lower, intake, or rear main/housing. No way to know without eyes on. A mirror should work for the rear intake....then If you can see anything with the flywheel cover off, invest in some oil dye, clean the heck out of it with brake cleaner, and check with a black light while someone starts it up with you under it (in case it's a fast leak). If it's a leak that "scatters" or slings everywhere, you'll have a tough time determining which place it is once the trans is out and it can't be ran.

I found this pic, and it seems to show 2 galley plugs above the bellhousing area, and one below the cam. if you see a puddle in the rear, by the intake, it may also be one of those plugs (if in fact they are plugs)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 05:58:09 PM
Ken, after 1/2 hour break in it was a 12" diameter circle of oil on shop floor. I'd call that more then seeping. I'll again look and try to verify source but the drip is coming from the bottom vents on the clutch inspection plate so it may be throwing it everywhere. Only other thing I thought of & hoping that sheet metal plate behind fly wheel is keeping oil off the clutch. With that said with that plate in there the oil could be starting up high & running right down it.

Also I think oil pan is ok as I can see that completely & looks solid.

Thanks for the input.

Ken this pic confirms the galley plugs & you can see the gasket maker material under the lower intake at each side.

New clutch
https://imgur.com/gallery/0BUI9
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 02, 2016, 06:08:27 PM
12" puddle? sounds like a pressure leak for sure...galleys, cam, or crank
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 06:23:06 PM
12" puddle? sounds like a pressure leak for sure...galleys, cam, or crank

Maybe it was 10" but something like that, definitely not a 1" or 2" puddle. Coming out from inspection cover at good constant drip. I started it and looked for initial leaks for first couple min, saw nothing then jumped in seat & kept the idle between 800 & 1500 for another 25 min. So no not a seep imo either too much oil for that.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2016, 10:48:30 PM
Yours is the older common 2 piece style and yes you are correct on those motors. Mine is the newer mo better (supposedly) 1 piece rear main. You have to pull motor or trans/t-case and the trans/t-case is a 7 hour (by the book job) so a shop knowing what they are doing should be able to do it in 5 or less with equipment and make money on 7 hours of labor. If I still had my old shop lift and equipment (local friends to help) I would have it done already..........

Well that sucks.  :-[

Honestly, to you and TRN who sent their condolences I hope the new $400 clutch and pressure plate doesn't have oil all over it and it's just an easy seal fix. While I was doing the half hour break in I never pushed in the clutch. We'll see I guess.....
Brake cleaner is your friend
Should clear out any oil residue
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 10:55:31 PM
Yours is the older common 2 piece style and yes you are correct on those motors. Mine is the newer mo better (supposedly) 1 piece rear main. You have to pull motor or trans/t-case and the trans/t-case is a 7 hour (by the book job) so a shop knowing what they are doing should be able to do it in 5 or less with equipment and make money on 7 hours of labor. If I still had my old shop lift and equipment (local friends to help) I would have it done already..........



Well that sucks.  :-[

Honestly, to you and TRN who sent their condolences I hope the new $400 clutch and pressure plate doesn't have oil all over it and it's just an easy seal fix. While I was doing the half hour break in I never pushed in the clutch. We'll see I guess.....
Brake cleaner is your friend
Should clear out any oil residue

Copy, clutch is only $100 so worst case I guess.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 02, 2016, 11:00:49 PM
What if they put in the wrong seal or installed backwards?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 02, 2016, 11:08:09 PM
What if they put in the wrong seal or installed backwards?

Should know more in morning, wife gave me old compact with mirror so I can do my face foundation & inspect for top side rear oil leaks. The seal is custom made by them I believe as it is 3/8" thick so I guess anything is a possibility but seems odd to be put in backwards or wrong altogether. I think putting it in dry would be more likely. Again maybe it's my fault somehow, according to Ken doesn't sound like it but you never know....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 03, 2016, 09:28:43 AM
Good news / bad news

Good, don't think my intake is leaking. Couldn't get mirror back in there (too big & no angle) but felt back in there & it's not wet, fingers came out dry nothing on them. Pulled cover & as Ken alluded to can't see much. Crank side of fly wheel is dry so that seems to indicate it's not crank. Oil didn't appear to be splashing everywhere another plus.

Bad, think they need to dye oil & probably pull trans......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 03, 2016, 09:34:18 AM
Custom rear main seal? I must've missed that somewhere.  Hmm

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 03, 2016, 10:59:52 AM
Not much info on it


http://www.shop.505performance.com/product.sc?productId=353&categoryId=49

The Jeep goes on rack in shop Weds, started day after inspection of jeep by riding my bike mile down the road. The slow leak on the rear tire decide to give up the ghost after jumping a curb. Walked it back and grabbed wr450 it made the trip just fine. So now I have bike tire strapped to rear of WR450 and at lunch going to get it changed out......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 03, 2016, 12:36:21 PM
85 bucks. wth.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 03, 2016, 01:42:38 PM
90,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 03, 2016, 07:51:48 PM
Well hell. Where in the wide world of sports is it a comin from if the flywheel is not wet?


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 03, 2016, 08:05:36 PM
Well hell. Where in the wide world of sports is it a comin from if the flywheel is not wet?


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The sheet metal plate behind the fly wheel had oil on it, but it doesn't seem to be slinging around. So it may be starting high (thinking cam hole or gallery plugs, maybe it's coming from fly wheel bolts). Not sure can't see much, they will pull transmission is my guess. They have the right equipment & it will go quick. My blood pressure will stay in a normal range & I'll get work done I'm paid to do.

On another note talking with wife yesterday, oldest Daughter / other daughters would love to have this to drive in HS. That's coming in another year for oldest. I may get this solid (hopefully) with this motor & pass on supercharger. Do the exhaust I have & drive it for a year. I'll buy a pickup or whatever & go that route (missing my trucks). Still have lighting & rear gas can / tire carrier to build as well. Keep tires at 33" & call it a day.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 03, 2016, 09:19:00 PM
That would make sense with the plugs back there. They look half covered by the bell and with that 12 in puddle it is not small.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 02:06:25 PM
Update:

So my local shop called this morning. Jeep is currently on the rack & they are pulling transmission as we speak. Steve (the owner of local shop) was fully informed of everything that had taken place prior to jeep coming to him. He did a full inspection of entire vehicle also noting my brakes will need changed shortly, what can I say he's thorough.

After inspecting it Steve, the professional is stating it is in fact the rear main seal leaking. He's positive enough he's ordering a new seal. Time will tell I guess but kinda goes along with what Ken already stated & you know how much I hate saying he's right!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on October 06, 2016, 02:08:25 PM
ugh, gut punch.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 06, 2016, 02:09:11 PM
In kens case even the blind squirrel finds a nut ever once in a while....

Shots fired!


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 02:25:36 PM
Easy...... Kens had a rough week with his GF's knucklehead vice presidente flopping on national tv in all...... ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 02:33:31 PM
ugh, gut punch.

Actually, when I fired it up sat & it was leaking it was a gut punch. Today, hearing its rear main seal i.e. not my fault was a bit of a relief honestly. It's sucked not having a proper vehicle all week but it isn't life or death either.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 06, 2016, 02:38:12 PM
So a motor you spent mucho $$$ on has a bad rear seal that won't be warrantied because of an oil pan install?

Is he putting an over the counter seal on, vs the "custom" that you were told it has?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 02:54:49 PM
So a motor you spent mucho $$$ on has a bad rear seal that won't be warrantied because of an oil pan install?

Is he putting an over the counter seal on, vs the "custom" that you were told it has?

Spent big $$$$ on custom motor, it is supposed to have his "special" one piece rear main seal I posted link to earlier.

On his website he has a disclaimer in reference to the 3.8/4.1 motors that if customers pay him $400 rather than receive a $400 credit & he installs the rear main, pan & front timing cover he is not liable if they leak. He further states it's due to the fact he can't bring motor up to operating temp.

When I sent him an email Sat stating I thought rear main was leaking he stated they never leak in an email then asked if I sealed fly wheel bolts & rear lower intake which I did.

Couple things worth noting or addressing, the statements on rear main seal are contradictory. He was paid to install them & the rear main seal is his design I believe. I also never signed anything stating he was not liable for a portion of the work I paid him to complete.

Current mechanic will be ordering oem replacement seals.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on October 06, 2016, 02:57:06 PM
Yeah, funny how if "he does the install" he's not liable... but if you did, and 100,000,000 other variables pass that could affect said install, he'd pay for it???
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 03:07:45 PM
Well, it also says on his site they will only pay warranty work if it's pre approved & I use someone from his approved list of mechanics. Said list is not on his site readily available & I viewed where a couple different people asked for it & he never publicly posted that list that I can find anywhere.

With all of that stated, I'm using my mechanic who is legitimately a reputable service shop down the street from my home & I didn't ask 505 their permission this isn't warranty work anyhow.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 03:10:39 PM
Yeah, funny how if "he does the install" he's not liable... but if you did, and 100,000,000 other variables pass that could affect said install, he'd pay for it???

Tate, we both know this ain't our first rodeo. It'll be ok, truth is on our side.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 06, 2016, 03:19:21 PM
I wonder what's "special" about his seal. Different size journal than stock? If not, then he's blowing smoke, because I believe in one as new as an '08, that the oem seal is teflon, and they very seldom leak like the older rubber ones....if installed properly (some are easy to install backwards, and should also be installed dry)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 03:25:58 PM
Here it is again, states 3/8" thick. Leads me to believe it is same journal size though (that way it can fit a stock motor setup) as it does not say it won't work on a stock motor. Why make it so custom it won't work for the majority of the jeeps on the road. That isn't logical.......

http://www.shop.505performance.com/product.sc?productId=353&categoryId=56
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 06, 2016, 04:31:48 PM
Something is fishy there for sure. Ask your mech if the seal he pulled has a part# on it. See how custom it really is for $85 !!!!!

From what you say it is not his fault unless you pay him big bucks. Buying it though may have included a disclaimer, but you still have the forums and Paypal. Sure you still a have a few contacts too.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 04:36:05 PM
Let's not get the cart before the horse. I'll get it fixed first, confirm 100% in writing it was rear main seal along with any other info I can gather. After that I'll email them (they seem to rather like email versus a phone anyhow), let them know what has taken place & get their response. Move forward at that point.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 06, 2016, 04:49:07 PM
..taking pics as it's disassembled?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 04:55:56 PM
Nope, using third party. I verified it leaks, they will verify from where. The mechanic & then the owner of said shop are involved. I think that's enough testimony if it gets that far which I don't see it getting.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 06, 2016, 05:06:15 PM
I've had it that far. lol

Some of the guys I've had dealings with are premadonna "BEBITW". ( best engine builders in the world...if you don't believe it, just ask them!)

Getting tired of running that scooter yet? It's already dropping into the 50s here....kind of a shock to my system!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 06, 2016, 05:31:59 PM
Scooter has been ok, found out I need to change the mount for the spare tank & storage box so I can haul more stuff on the rack. It rained today but office work all day anyhow so no big deal. It's in 50's here today as well.

I hear you about premadonnas too, I'll just get it fixed & then move forward. I was in business long enough to not get too excited.

Spoke with my mechanic, they have not pulled the transmission. Long story short he was busy and trying to work me in last minute which I knew up front and had to beg off until first of the week on my job. I will be taking pictures when it's apart, he offered and I accepted.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 12, 2016, 10:02:37 AM
Update?
Oh, what? he said you left the oil drain plug loose and that's all it was? :)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 12, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Waiting on phone call, supposed to go down this morning to take pics etc.

Drain plug was installed correctly......

Edit: Stopped by shop this morning on way back from bank (my card was hacked & I'm very careful btw ::) ). Anyhow they have been trying to pull transmission since mid day yesterday & were not happy. This jeep came out of Toronto so apparently there is some rust on bolts etc. & these western mechanics aren't used to it.   :-\
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on October 12, 2016, 03:38:03 PM
Waiting on phone call, supposed to go down this morning to take pics etc.

Drain plug was installed correctly......

Edit: Stopped by shop this morning on way back from bank (my card was hacked & I'm very careful btw ::) ). Anyhow they have been trying to pull transmission since mid day yesterday & were not happy. This jeep came out of Toronto so apparently there is some rust on bolts etc. & these western mechanics aren't used to it.   :-\

I can let them work on XJ and they might appreciate your rust a bit more.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 12, 2016, 04:45:33 PM
Bobby, without being mean because these mechanics are good guys. If anything has the slightest bit of rust they flip out. I've wrenched on much worse than this jeep, dare I say worse than that xj of yours. I started GLO buying old rusted out farm trucks & pulling the drive trains out to re sell. So part of me wants to honestly laugh & do the eye roll....... Again, good guys but the premadonna reminds me of my welders or dare I say a pilut?  :o
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on October 12, 2016, 05:22:40 PM
oh snap!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 12, 2016, 06:46:23 PM
So here's the update & I'm going to keep it brief for now. They removed the trans / t-case, we found leaks & I was able to document it with pictures. The lower rear of intake was not leaking & the crank bolts were not leaking either. The main seal according to Ken appeared to not be made of the better quality teflon & in his words I believe he stated sub standard was his opinion.

Mechanic has his marching orders, they had to pull y pipe with cats & o2 sensors to remove trans / t-case. I made the executive descision to order new y pipe, cats & o2's being the current unit is going on 9 years old. I have a new cat back system in box in my shop so I will install that in the near future.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 12, 2016, 07:04:45 PM
Custom oil seal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 12, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
Custom oil seal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,??

Ken didn't believe so, his comment was if it isn't factory size it's most likely still from the catalog....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on October 12, 2016, 10:20:14 PM
so where was the leak at?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 09:43:41 AM
Bobby, without being mean because these mechanics are good guys. If anything has the slightest bit of rust they flip out. I've wrenched on much worse than this jeep, dare I say worse than that xj of yours. I started GLO buying old rusted out farm trucks & pulling the drive trains out to re sell. So part of me wants to honestly laugh & do the eye roll....... Again, good guys but the premadonna reminds me of my welders or dare I say a pilut?  :o
Hey, watch it there!
I read everything here!

Don't get banned and fired again!

;-0
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 13, 2016, 09:45:50 AM
Keeping u on your toes........
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 10:05:29 AM
Keeping u on your toes........
about all that I have left!
Fingers are all buggered up

Not one of them that is not bleeding from all this detail electrical work!

Wonder if I can wire in outlets with my toes???
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 13, 2016, 10:09:22 AM

Don't get banned and fired again!

;-0

No wait, its my turn!!!

Were is SD, why isn't it running down the road????
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 10:27:02 AM
You're fired
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 13, 2016, 10:29:13 AM
Reinstated...

Forgot you were a cop

You guys are all sensitive, probably cause emotional overload gettin fired...not fired at ;-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 13, 2016, 08:42:45 PM
 8)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 13, 2016, 09:14:38 PM
Slight update, rear main seal was not OEM size. However, as Ken stated it must have been in catalog because mechanic was able to acquire one today. Should have Jeep back tomorrow leak free.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on October 28, 2016, 03:33:47 PM
Good news! Now, to find out what the builder is going to do to back/not back, his product.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on October 29, 2016, 09:25:42 AM
so whats the update on the jeep?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 31, 2016, 06:35:10 PM
This post will serve has a place for me to update the motor etc once the dust has settled.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 31, 2016, 06:45:50 PM
So I'm moving forward with various other tasks that need addressed on the Jeep. Today I pulled the factory cat back exhaust and installed a flow master stainless system. I'll post up some pics later to meet the rules. It is a rock crawler type system meaning everything is tucked up high and tight. Here is a link to the particular system I installed..

http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/exhaust-sytems/817674-cat-back-system-409s-single-rear-exit-american-thunder-moderate-sound/?make=42&year1=2008&model=356&submodel=1453&engine=2136&category=Exhaust%20Systems%20/%20Kits&kw=

My feedback on this system is that it can be a little tight in a couple of areas, the muffler included could be an inch shorter in overall length and would help tremendously. Nothing that a big hammer can't solve (it is an exhaust system, I also heated up and tweaked the front cat attachment section down about a half an inch). The stupid grade 0 chinaman junk exhaust clamps were given the boot after I busted two of them by shearing the bolts in half. A quick trip to Napa solved that issue. Other than that the install went smooth and the sound is louder than stock but not overwhelming either. 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on October 31, 2016, 07:58:20 PM
You saying the large hammer and cheap clamps didn't play well together?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 31, 2016, 09:31:06 PM
You saying the large hammer and cheap clamps didn't play well together?

I'm saying the cheap clamps didn't like my IR impact (they wouldn't tighten up properly) initially two tightened up but after two broke I ditched all of them. The muffler being a shade too long got knocked into suitable size with the bfh..... ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 02, 2016, 07:29:05 PM
New 800CC Interstate battery today, after the motor swap I noticed the unit was seeming a little weak. Come to find out it was a Walmart 3 year old unit so it took a hike. I picked it up at Costco for less than a hundred. I am contemplating acquiring a dual battery mount box (that goes in existing location) and picking up an optima deep cycle for the winch and lights etc then building my own isolation kit. Haven't decided if I'm going that route or not yet.

Here's the battery box I'm looking at.......

http://www.quadratec.com/products/12590_1205_07.htm

Brake upgrade is supposed to be delivered tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on November 02, 2016, 07:56:11 PM
I like that!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 02, 2016, 08:03:14 PM
I like that!

Picked it up with free shipping should be here next week sometime.

So who has optima deep cycle batteries for the best bargain?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on November 02, 2016, 08:04:40 PM
Very nice but a little pricey.

Amazon shows the red top for $140 and free shipping. https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000MSBU9U/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 02, 2016, 08:21:53 PM
JR, red top or blue? I had the blue running accessories in the EB & it was isolated. Believe blue is deep cycle so it can take being drained repeatedly for winch etc.....

I agree price seems tad steep but some places want $180ish for it. I could fab my own but being a bolt in unit seems too easy & this was only unit that will accommodate oem or optima batteries...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on November 03, 2016, 10:21:14 AM
JR, red top or blue? I had the blue running accessories in the EB & it was isolated. Believe blue is deep cycle so it can take being drained repeatedly for winch etc.....

I agree price seems tad steep but some places want $180ish for it. I could fab my own but being a bolt in unit seems too easy & this was only unit that will accommodate oem or optima batteries...
I think you know this already, but do not couple a deep cycle with a starting battery. The starter bat will pull down the deep cycle and keep it at a low charge...They are just not compatible.
On a separate circuit, you'd be GTG. I do that on my Square D truck. That bat runs truck electrics and winches, nothing more. But I do have an emergency switching to use it to start the engine if the front bat catches a high velocity projectile, or I leave the stereo on and blaring while I'm escaping and evading... ;-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 03, 2016, 07:11:40 PM
JR, red top or blue? I had the blue running accessories in the EB & it was isolated. Believe blue is deep cycle so it can take being drained repeatedly for winch etc.....

I agree price seems tad steep but some places want $180ish for it. I could fab my own but being a bolt in unit seems too easy & this was only unit that will accommodate oem or optima batteries...
I think you know this already, but do not couple a deep cycle with a starting battery. The starter bat will pull down the deep cycle and keep it at a low charge...They are just not compatible.
On a separate circuit, you'd be GTG. I do that on my Square D truck. That bat runs truck electrics and winches, nothing more. But I do have an emergency switching to use it to start the engine if the front bat catches a high velocity projectile, or I leave the stereo on and blaring while I'm escaping and evading... ;-)

The isolator doesn't keep it from dragging it down? Or is that what you mean about a separate circuit? Oh, & what is this SQ D you speak of? ;D


Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on November 17, 2016, 07:59:55 AM
You could get a red and a blue and a yellow...all the trendy alt/left battery choices=)

Or ya could just buy a Deka of suitable size and use the saved cash to bolster your winter crocks collection.

Glad to read you have it running again man...winter is here. Took the drag radials off of patch last night..back to 4x4 rubber.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on November 17, 2016, 11:22:03 AM
Shots fired! Dang Norm, back for a day and just lighting them up!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 20, 2016, 11:59:32 AM
You could get a red and a blue and a yellow...all the trendy alt/left battery choices=)

Or ya could just buy a Deka of suitable size and use the saved cash to bolster your winter crocks collection.

Glad to read you have it running again man...winter is here. Took the drag radials off of patch last night..back to 4x4 rubber.

Have over 1K on the new motor now, it appears I have all of the issues fixed. Or at least the ones I am going to worry about. The valve train still has a slight noise to it. It has gotten quieter so I think that some of the initial noise was air in the lifters which has been bleeding out over the last few hundred miles. I also do not know what is acceptable noise for this motor, the builder and I aren't really on speaking terms at this point. They are not really a quiet motor from the factory so I am going to say some slight noise is to be expected. It does have considerable more power and if it stays reliable then I will be satisfied.

On to more pressing things, after slicing a side wall in the local mulch bed I decided the rear tire mount needed finished. Don, pay attention here as I am going to build an old man unit. Meaning one that a larger tire can be mounted without killing yourself. Probably wouldn't work on a full size truck bed that well but with my short cargo area should be just fine and no worries of this falling off going down the highway and killing small school children waiting at the bus stop.

Worth noting, I use the Jeep as a truck more often than not since I no longer own a truck. So the rear tire carrier is going to have to serve various tasks. One of which is to have an attachment point for a ladder rack type upper rear mount. I need to haul long lengths of steel angle and tube etc. I would do a roof rack except the ones on the market are pretty high above the roof of the vehicle. A permanent mount is a no go since I have a short garage door height being limited. So the rear tire mount needs to be strong to hold addition weight.

I am trying to keep the weight of these add ons to a minimum as I still want to off road it occasionally, weight is always an issue. This rear upper attachment point will also be used for an upper rack (yet to be built) for storing extra camping gear or a yeti on summer excursions. Weight being kept in check I will use those rear mounts for shackles I never use as the attachment point versus adding additional weight with other mounts or a stub shaft and bearing.

Last the tube bender has been torn down and being refurbished with new paint and casters. The plan is to finish the upgrade to a hydraulic unit when I reassemble it.  Making it more versatile and easy to store in my small workshop. So for the time being I am unable to bend tube which is ok for this current project, but no tube or angle bending capability currently.

Some pics of the base mount as I'm mocking it up. If you plan on doing precision fabricating these bessey clamps are the bomb. I invested in them years ago and they have made there money back many times over since.

(http://i.imgur.com/mb5CQmP.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/zcmQgsN.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/peUrfDK.jpg)



 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 20, 2016, 12:14:16 PM
Ohhh, take note - real fabricators use steel welding tables.......no flames and it lasts until the material is needed elsewhere for a project!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 20, 2016, 01:04:40 PM
Note: real fabricators have caught themselves on fire more than once, as such we're not fond of fire.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 02:07:51 PM
Ohhh, take note - real fabricators use steel welding tables.......no flames and it lasts until the material is needed elsewhere for a project!
You have no proof ;-))
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 20, 2016, 02:38:00 PM
You have no proof ;-))

This is a masculine directed thread, please refrain from the illogical female type comments.  ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 20, 2016, 02:39:34 PM
Ohhh, take note - real fabricators use steel welding tables.......no flames and it lasts until the material is needed elsewhere for a project!
You have no proof ;-))

Except a searing memory of my fabricator father & grandfather smacking me upside the head often standing beside them at the shop.  Then there's Shawn......and your flaming paint tables/work surface/shipping boxes!  ;D
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 02:57:18 PM
Ohhh, take note - real fabricators use steel welding tables.......no flames and it lasts until the material is needed elsewhere for a project!
You have no proof ;-))

Except a searing memory of my fabricator father & grandfather smacking me upside the head often standing beside them at the shop.  Then there's Shawn......and your flaming paint tables/work surface/shipping boxes!  ;D
Nothing wrong with flaming tables!

Motivates one to get the job done quicker!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 20, 2016, 03:28:05 PM
Nothing wrong with flaming tables!

Motivates one to get the job done quicker!

Nothing wrong if they're in Japanese restaurants & it includes cooking food...... ::)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on November 20, 2016, 03:48:28 PM
^^^Nothing wrong with that at all!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 20, 2016, 05:22:31 PM
You have no proof ;-))

This is a masculine directed thread, please refrain from the illogical liberal type comments.  ;)
Fixed it for ya


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 20, 2016, 05:52:48 PM
Thanks for watching my 6 Red!!!! ;)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 20, 2016, 07:40:28 PM
Us rednecks have to stick together


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 29, 2016, 03:32:43 PM
Slight update, still working on rear tire carrier. It kinda took a turn as I acquired a couple expensive fuel tanks that are getting mounted to rear tail gate. I ordered new set of tail gate hinges (upgraded units) so waiting on those to finish fuel tank mounts then the tire carrier. Will post some pics later.

So since it turned cold & I started using the heater the blower motor started its squeaking noise again. It did this at the end of last winter, once it warmed up outside & I quit using heat I forgot about it. Doesn't squeak using the ac, so seeing how it is just start of winter figured I should tackle this project.

Ordered up a new blower motor from rock auto $40 ish. Was kinda dreading this as I've done some vehicles in the past & this can be a pain to swap. Anyhow if I didn't have to stand on my head I'd say it was easier than an oil change. Removed glove box (which actually isn't necessary) as it can be accessed from the front passenger footwell. Single snap plug for power & 3 screws it drops right out. Literally a 10 min job, an engineer used his noggin when designing that unit.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on November 29, 2016, 05:01:42 PM
Well...

After all, it's a Jeep. They know its prone to failure! ;-)

So they made it easy to fix!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 01, 2016, 12:00:16 AM
OK, so enough about Ken and him being a year older and falling down the hill and lacking the ability to learn how to carry a newer technology sidearm.......

Seriously, it was making me depressed coming on the site and the only updates are Ken's B-day well wishes. I think you guys are all going soft, this is the kind of stuff my hippy neighbors yap about daily. Don't get me wrong I'm happy he made it through another year of my harassing him about H bumper stickers and her being his GF and all but this is a real mans site so we need to get on with it already!

So I mentioned of acquiring some fuel tanks for the JK. These are the real deal Scepter version cans, buddy of mine (neighbor FJ guy, non hippy he even has an FFL) who was born a Hoosier (like I said real deal here) has a contact who sells them (also current Hoosier) and he even machines those fancy wrenches to get the cap off. Yeah, you'll need that wrench as these things don't leak anything and seem to pressurize over time. Anyhow I paid just north of two bills for the two cans, the spout and the wrench. What can I say, I'll pay for quality. So as to quit teasing here are some pics, currently building the rack to hold them to the rear JK tail gate and waiting on the upgraded hinges for that rear gate to arrive via the brown van man. Pics will follow of all of that down the road.

(http://i.imgur.com/rrnUOei.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/TfoOeeu.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/J5wH5nJ.jpg?1)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on December 01, 2016, 06:12:18 AM
this is a real mans site

those fancy wrenches to get the cap off. Yeah, you'll need that wrench as these things don't leak anything and seem to pressurize over time.

Well as this is a real man's site, let me be the first to say you don't need a "fancy wrench" to remove those tops. You just need upper body strength...  ;D


Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on December 01, 2016, 07:08:35 AM
Not only that bobby, but what the heck is all that pink crap he has plastered all over the tops of the cans.......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 08:43:36 AM
this is a real mans site

those fancy wrenches to get the cap off. Yeah, you'll need that wrench as these things don't leak anything and seem to pressurize over time.

Well as this is a real man's site, let me be the first to say you don't need a "fancy wrench" to remove those tops. You just need upper body strength...  ;D



Bobby, that was a solid hit

Good work Army!

Sorry Shawn, but he connected on that one...just take it and smile!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 08:46:01 AM
On another note, I have always liked those cans. Plastic too!

I was wondering how well they'll pour. When you transfer some fuel with them let us know.

As a sidebar, the NATO 20L metal cans I have been using for years now to refuel my tractors and Loader have held up well. Always work and pour as well as you'd expect from a venting nozzle.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 01, 2016, 09:03:08 AM
this is a real mans site

those fancy wrenches to get the cap off. Yeah, you'll need that wrench as these things don't leak anything and seem to pressurize over time.

Well as this is a real man's site, let me be the first to say you don't need a "fancy wrench" to remove those tops. You just need upper body strength...  ;D

Maybe so, but it was a package deal & it's a nice piece. I've never used them neighbor claims they fill easily I'll let you know. I was looking at the larger rotopax until he showed me these & stated he had a rotopax leak (the one on wr450 hasn't yet knock on wood).
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on December 01, 2016, 09:37:08 AM
Well as this is a real man's site, let me be the first to say you don't need a "fancy wrench" to remove those tops. You just need upper body strength...  ;D

Nailed it! LOL!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on December 01, 2016, 11:33:03 AM
Very cool cans there. Even if the pink is just one shade shy of limp wristed ::) I had the now illegal red metal jerry cans that every 4wparts and offroad shop carried with the flex steel pour spout and brass looking cap. leaked when it poured, leaked when stored, easy to cross thread the fittings, just junk. Those look the part for sure.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Sammconn on December 01, 2016, 01:44:19 PM
On another note, I have always liked those cans. Plastic too!

I was wondering how well they'll pour. When you transfer some fuel with them let us know.

As a sidebar, the NATO 20L metal cans I have been using for years now to refuel my tractors and Loader have held up well. Always work and pour as well as you'd expect from a venting nozzle.
I have a few of these cans as well. Love them. Tough as nails. Even at 40 below.
I do have 'concerns' with the spout. It looks small-ish and may be slow.
I have a different style that I'll have to get a picture of. It's more like 1" ID and will empty the can right quick. May be too large for some applications though. I use for skidoos, boat, and truck. All have large fill opening.
Now the wrench...part of package ok I'll let you away with it.
May be occasions that it is handy, but Bobby is right.
We have had to pipe wrench a few that have frozen/iced over but normally just manning up does the trick.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 01, 2016, 03:59:39 PM
On that wrench and lid, these guys are wheeling the Rockies. So not making excuses but it's not WI or KY either as far as elevation changes. The ID on my filler is 9/16 on the tube 3/4 od
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Sammconn on December 01, 2016, 04:09:20 PM
I think it's more a ribbin' on the wrench.
It would serve its purpose well I think.
Like wrenches are hard on the lids.

They do swell up a lot with temperature changes, and I suspect with elevation to some degree they would as well.

If the gasket is not clean and he lid tight they can leak.
As well if venting will be needed don't fill to the top.
The air vent runs through the holes around the perimeter into the handle.
If you are too full it will push fuel out the cap when venting or using. Just FYI.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 01, 2016, 04:15:07 PM
I think it's more a ribbin' on the wrench.

If the gasket is not clean and he lid tight they can leak.
As well if venting will be needed don't fill to the top.
The air vent runs through the holes around the perimeter into the handle.
If you are too full it will push fuel out the cap when venting or using. Just FYI.

Yeah, Bobby has his licks coming now that he's in my cross hairs...... ;)

I was wondering about holes on the perimeter, that makes sense thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Sammconn on December 01, 2016, 04:27:06 PM
Here's the fill nozzle I have.

(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m605/sammconn/BC47447A-A8E3-4881-A989-47062F37C803.png) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sammconn/media/BC47447A-A8E3-4881-A989-47062F37C803.png.html)

And link.

http://mil.sceptermilitary.com/fuel_containers/accessories/04353/
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on December 01, 2016, 07:13:04 PM
On that wrench and lid, these guys are wheeling the Rockies. So not making excuses but it's not WI or KY either as far as elevation changes. The ID on my filler is 9/16 on the tube 3/4 od
Good point on the elevation change!

Start off at 5,000MSL and end up wheeling over the divide at 12,000. THe pressure difference would cause a lot of pressure to be pushing on the lid. Make it mucho harder to unscrew.

OK Hoosier, you're forgiven!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Bigdave_185 on December 02, 2016, 05:04:13 AM
You have no proof ;-))

This is a masculine directed thread, please refrain from the illogical female type comments.  ;)
3am and I am now trying not to wake the wife up from her beauty sleep as I read this doing the try hard not to laugh routine.  Knock it off guys!!!


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 02, 2016, 08:28:11 AM
Here's the fill nozzle I have.

(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m605/sammconn/BC47447A-A8E3-4881-A989-47062F37C803.png) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sammconn/media/BC47447A-A8E3-4881-A989-47062F37C803.png.html)

And link.

http://mil.sceptermilitary.com/fuel_containers/accessories/04353/

Thanks for posting that link, will hold off on getting one until I see how this other functions. I have the standard car filler neck on the JK so not sure that other would work anyhow.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Sammconn on December 02, 2016, 09:17:20 AM
With the standard filler, the big guy won't work for sure.
It will just make a heck of a mess... ::)
No need to ask how I know...
It is handy for bigger holes though.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on December 02, 2016, 10:02:03 AM
If you build your can carrier so that you can remove the lids while mounted, you can use a hand pumped syphon to refuel. Then you won't have to worry about removing the can, and getting the spout firmly seated in the fuel filler while trying to balance the can and pour. ;-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on December 02, 2016, 10:04:41 AM
If you build your can carrier so that you can remove the lids while mounted, you can use a hand pumped syphon to refuel. Then you won't have to worry about removing the can, and getting the spout firmly seated in the fuel filler while trying to balance the can and pour. ;-)
I planned on using just such a pump to refuel off of the hippies drivin' the jap cars!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: wyorunner on December 05, 2016, 12:11:19 AM
We've got four of those gas cans, all mil-surplus of some kind, didn't pay much for em. Pressure is something I can attest to having hauled them from Georgia to higher parts of Wyoming. I don't recall ever having one really leak though, and mine are all busted out inside the lids, just as you would expect from mil surplus. I use what many on here have probably heard of as a donkey d*** as a filler nozzle. It's a flexy metal type that all military use, or atleast all I ever saw. It was in the 5ton we owned for a short while. But stayed with us when we sold it.

We also have several of the water jugs of the same material and design. Tough jugs that's for sure!


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on December 05, 2016, 12:21:50 AM
Water jugs I see are about 1/2 the price. Are they the same material?

I picked up a few smaller "test" military jugs using a quick release spout I haven't matched yet. About 3.5 gal and tuff as nails!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on December 05, 2016, 11:06:18 AM
Water jugs I see are about 1/2 the price. Are they the same material?

I picked up a few smaller "test" military jugs using a quick release spout I haven't matched yet. About 3.5 gal and tuff as nails!

I think the only real difference between the water and fuel cans are the lids. The water can lids are easy to cross thread, and tend to leak some. I've never put fuel in a water can, though, so I can't testify whether or not they will degrade. I'd stick to fuel in fuel cans.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: wyorunner on December 05, 2016, 11:37:20 AM
Water jugs I see are about 1/2 the price. Are they the same material?

I picked up a few smaller "test" military jugs using a quick release spout I haven't matched yet. About 3.5 gal and tuff as nails!

From what I can tell, and as OX noted, they seem to be the same thing, but I cannot with certainty tell you because I have not ever seen the actually material makeup of them. I can tell you though, that once at 29 Palms cans may have gotten mixed up, and water cans were used for fuel. No lengthy test,but no bad reactions to the jug while the JP8 was in the water can.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on December 07, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
So the old Mil Cans are illegal? I see them virtually every day around here on all manner of rigs..clearly not being enforced if accurate. I do seem to remember reading on that yuppie sight... Expo something, about this.

The old GI water specific cans had a internal coating in them that doesn't play well with gasoline. Although No2 doesn't seem to bother it.

As for that wrench for the fuel caps...seems like  a grand idea for arthritis suffers. Just saying....



Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on December 07, 2016, 02:24:02 PM
So the old Mil Cans are illegal? I see them virtually every day around here on all manner of rigs..clearly not being enforced if accurate. I do seem to remember reading on that yuppie sight... Expo something, about this.

The old GI water specific cans had a internal coating in them that doesn't play well with gasoline. Although No2 doesn't seem to bother it.

As for that wrench for the fuel caps...seems like  a grand idea for arthritis suffers. Just saying....
The old steel cans can no longer be sold (that's the illegal part, not illegal to own them due to environazi ranting and razing). I don't think the plastic cans have a different liner, but the steel ones did.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on December 07, 2016, 02:48:40 PM
I still see the old cans here in Kali, its the spouts that are whats screwed up on all of em now. Black market for old spouts,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on December 07, 2016, 04:17:15 PM
Interesting...I shall have to keep my old cans closely protected. Some are ww2 vintage and still hold fuel daily. 

Jr...the rest of the 49 states generally assumes everything we have here is illegal in Cali except Pot and Corona  LoL But yeah, good gas can spouts are now rare.

Maybe we can get Mr JK to hook us up with a purchase deal on these high zoot cans with a wrench? A pair of them would look good on Patch2
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on December 07, 2016, 04:55:26 PM
I like those cans too. I see em on Ebay for around $100 each new, some used too.

I also have a 4 of the newer 20L "nato cans" that are OK and only $40 each.

I saw a guy selling them on Ebay in lots of 7 for a good price, maybe a group buy?????
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on December 07, 2016, 11:13:19 PM
I like those cans too. I see em on Ebay for around $100 each new, some used too.

I also have a 4 of the newer 20L "nato cans" that are OK and only $40 each.

I saw a guy selling them on Ebay in lots of 7 for a good price, maybe a group buy?????
Yea!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on December 07, 2016, 11:26:30 PM
Maybe your buddy can get a pallet of em and we'll divey them up?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 15, 2016, 12:08:49 PM
OK, been side tracked for a week or two. Since my step dad passed away helping mom out has taken up quite a bit of my time. Spent a week back in Hoosier country getting the farm in order for winter. This then put me behind on my parts business and since getting back have been hitting that hard to get ahead. Started this morning wrenching on the Jeep only to get side tracked again with Hoosier issues. Apparently it is cold and the beauty parlor that my mom owns needs a new furnace. So between phone calls I'm trying to have some fun.

So I opened up the box of new rear tail gate hinges. Nicely made units that are rebuild able too, they incorporate a couple bronze washers in the hinge point and are made from all 3/16" steel. The section that bolts to the tail gate is actually rectangular tube that was laser cut. They have been powder coat but the coating was scratched off in a couple small areas on the sharp laser cut edge.

(http://i.imgur.com/mkHgy0X.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 15, 2016, 12:14:16 PM
So the first step is to remove the crappy plastic covers on the old hinges. Then remove one hinge at a time to reveal a lack of paint at the factory. The base coat is there but its definitely lacking the finish coat. I also discovered where some of that cancer was starting to form. So took care of that and added some primer and paint. They do add in a couple of pieces of black tape to cover the exposed non painted areas that the new hinges show but I threw them on the trash since paint is a better option.

(http://i.imgur.com/C53GD0g.jpg)

worth noting the original hinges had about an 1/8" of slop in them vertically and no real way to tighten them up, as the new ones wear I can tighten and adjust as needed.


Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on December 15, 2016, 12:18:12 PM
Those look great.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on December 15, 2016, 12:20:09 PM
Those hinges look pretty hefty!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 15, 2016, 12:43:06 PM
So here they are, fit was great and they even had a nice little grease zerk in each. The lack of in the oem is most likely why they were so sloppy at this point.

(http://i.imgur.com/Qfy8jdQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/tWXlHcU.jpg)

Definitely beefy compared to stock and I agree at $150 they seem a bit pricey but I could not find anything on the market even close to as heavy duty as these. Maybe that needs to change, as they say competition is always good.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on December 15, 2016, 05:27:42 PM
How are the braced on the inside? Is the structure they're bolted to strong enough to resist metal tearing once you mount jerry cans to the tailgate?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 15, 2016, 05:37:02 PM
Good question, so a stock 33" tire weighs roughly 55-60#s give or take etc. Now a gallon of gas weighs 6.183# x 10 (2 of the 5 gallon cans) comes in at 61.83# plus weight of rack and cans. Trying to keep rack at 5-7#s so I think we'll be ok. The other thing to take in consideration is the cans will be mounted right up against tail gate where as a tire has more leverage sticking out further.

I did not pull the carpet back & inspect, the bolts thread into a plate inside the sheet metal. Also worth noting a lot of guys running 35-37" tires hanging off the stock mount. I wouldn't recommend it but people do it.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 15, 2016, 08:16:15 PM
Worked some more on the rack this afternoon, guessing it's already at 7# or little more & about half built. So was looking at the mount, I was originally going to center is up from side to side on the tail gate. However, was contemplating the leverage factor mentioned above & if I shift it right of center towards the hinges I think any addition weight will be offset by lowering the leverage on the hinges.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on December 16, 2016, 10:20:17 AM
Sounds like a plan. I look forward to seeing the final product!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 01, 2017, 05:40:11 PM
OK, so it's been slow going but need to get the dual can carrier finished up along with the rear tire mount. I purchased a couple other things that are coming in this week that will need to get mounted. I'm also starting on a new project, details will follow on that in the next couple of weeks.

So after getting those HD hinges mounted I decided to take what I had which was this

(http://i.imgur.com/ysqRWZC.jpg)

and figure out how to make it mount permanently to the right side (near hinges) of the tail gate. So I added some more steel 3/8" round then wished I would have made the whole thing from 3/8" round as I like the look.

(http://i.imgur.com/GZ4EO6x.jpg) (http://imgur.com/GZ4EO6x)

then finally this afternoon I cut and formed up the last several pieces to complete the assembly (couple pieces can be viewed in the above pic near the bottom of the frame.

(http://i.imgur.com/lhcDb7j.jpg) (http://imgur.com/lhcDb7j)

little swag press brake insert for my H-press did a nice job repeating the bends for both tank tops

(http://i.imgur.com/EJfC8WM.jpg) (http://imgur.com/EJfC8WM)

& I think you can see what I'm going to end up with now.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 01, 2017, 05:45:08 PM
Tanks will be in the mount with fillers facing away from each other. Hinge for top will be at either side / end and I will pin and lock them by a single lock in the middle between them.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 01, 2017, 06:57:37 PM
I like the look of that round bar! Very clean work...Giving me ideas.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 01, 2017, 07:01:57 PM
Agreed, don't think I would have saved much weight overall but it would have looked really nice all made from the round bar. Maybe next time, I had the other material already bought so I went with it. I do really like that press brake for the H-press, used it for round bar too.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 01, 2017, 08:09:31 PM
Nice start. How are you forming the metal.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 01, 2017, 08:23:24 PM
30 ton press and some of this guys stuff

http://www.swagoffroad.com/SWAG-Press-Brake-Kits_c_53.html

I have the plates and the 20 ton finger brake kit, I upgraded my press to air over hydro setup
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 01, 2017, 08:36:31 PM
Familiar with his stuff.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 01, 2017, 09:02:13 PM
I need a bigger shop and more disposable income......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 01, 2017, 09:05:00 PM
I want a 40x60 with drive through. Budget and land does not agree for now.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 01, 2017, 09:05:09 PM
I need a bigger shop and more disposable income......

Me too!!!

If I ever build again the shop will same size as last 44 x 88 w/ 16' to the trusses then off one end I will have a 30 x 30 with 10' ceilings heated & ac in that portion. The 30' sq will be machine shop with welding and reloading areas.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 02, 2017, 04:18:19 AM
If I ever build again the shop will same size as last 44 x 88 w/ 16' to the trusses then off one end I will have a 30 x 30 with 10' ceilings heated & ac in that portion. The 30' sq will be machine shop with welding and reloading areas.

That works!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 02, 2017, 08:47:05 AM
JR, there I go dreaming again.... :wink:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on January 03, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
Nice work! The can carrier is shaping up nicely. I like the round bar usage, and the way you're securing the cans. Simple, useful. I assume it will all fit nicely between the tailgate and tire carrier?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 03, 2017, 10:37:55 AM
Nice work! The can carrier is shaping up nicely. I like the round bar usage, and the way you're securing the cans. Simple, useful. I assume it will all fit nicely between the tailgate and tire carrier?

Hoping so, getting cold. Will finish fab on both this week then paint next week.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 09, 2017, 05:11:33 PM
Other than attaching single lock mechanism in the middle it is complete. Just needs sanding and paint which since its a heat wave now will get finished this week.

(http://i.imgur.com/IYxWn2r.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 09, 2017, 05:16:34 PM
Planning, since I already have a narrowed 60 front axle with 4.56 and Detroit along with the matching stocker EB 9" narrowed rear I picked these two gems up today for a couple bills. The stock axle WMS is 65.4" and this original ford hd diamond housing is 68" so I will gain 1.3" in width per side at the rear. Pretty darn close and it came with the 31 spline axles I needed for my built third I own with Detroit. This axle looks clean as it has some of the original Ford black paint that you hardly ever find on these housings.

(http://i.imgur.com/QjFhmXG.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/pubsTPz.jpg)

Plan is to strip it down of original brackets and truss the rear then add JK style mounts. Currie has axle tube ends that I believe allow you to mount up the backing plates from the original D44 axle but they are proud of them so I may machine my own.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on January 09, 2017, 05:52:15 PM
I like where your head's at!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 09, 2017, 06:13:10 PM
Tate, I'll be calling you once I figure out which inner 60 axle I'm going to need FYI.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on January 09, 2017, 06:34:09 PM
Rack looks good, except for the osb part. :)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 09, 2017, 08:10:53 PM
Rack looks good, except for the osb part. :)

I threw that up there for Hillary supporters, typically they have trouble seeing black and white. With all the steel in the back ground it was blending in & well I was trying to make it simple for you specifically Ken! :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on January 09, 2017, 09:37:09 PM
Thanks buddy!!

Sent from a spaceship

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 09, 2017, 09:56:45 PM
Thanks buddy!!

Sent from a spaceship

No problem, hippy watching out for an H supporter who woulda thunk it?!?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 10, 2017, 12:44:28 AM
You guys are scaring me
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 10, 2017, 07:19:37 AM
Nice score on that 9" I'd back brace it for a truss and call it good. So..your front 60 is 5 lug or will be or?

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on January 10, 2017, 10:32:49 AM
I've got hubs in stock for gm/dodge d60 spindles to convert to 5x5.5 fyi. (8x6.5 and 6x6.5 too) Phil's got a set of the 8 luggers on the Ramcharger.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 10, 2017, 11:00:18 AM
I've got hubs in stock for gm/dodge d60 spindles to convert to 5x5.5 fyi. (8x6.5 and 6x6.5 too) Phil's got a set of the 8 luggers on the Ramcharger.

It's already setup as 5 x 5.5 but if you have a brake kit that goes with it I would be interested in the info as all of my parts were custom machined. Ok for trailer queen but would be nice to run off the shelf parts for a street driven JK Tate....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on January 10, 2017, 12:37:45 PM
No brake components from me... yet. I'm betting you're probably looking for 77-79 f150/bronco rotors and calipers though.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 10, 2017, 01:36:38 PM
Just some food for thought.

Your JK is already hefty and will get heavier. Large brakes are nice. Your modern tire choices are all 17" or larger these days, so these accommodate large brakes. You live in hippy land with large hills, requiring large brakes.

Sell your present front 5 bolt Dana 60 arrangement and acquire some Dodge knuckles/spindles/hubs and your now 8 lug. Higher Tie rode location than Chevy even, and much stronger knuckles than a Ford 60.

Weld some 14 bolt spindles on your 9" and your now 8 lug back there as well. This would require some new floater axle shafts, but that's ok because some alloy 31 spline shafts are less likely to break anyway.  :grin:

Just saying....





Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 10, 2017, 02:10:36 PM
Just some food for thought.

Your JK is already hefty and will get heavier. Large brakes are nice. Your modern tire choices are all 17" or larger these days, so these accommodate large brakes. You live in hippy land with large hills, requiring large brakes.

Sell your present front 5 bolt Dana 60 arrangement and acquire some Dodge knuckles/spindles/hubs and your now 8 lug. Higher Tie rode location than Chevy even, and much stronger knuckles than a Ford 60.

Weld some 14 bolt spindles on your 9" and your now 8 lug back there as well. This would require some new floater axle shafts, but that's ok because some alloy 31 spline shafts are less likely to break anyway.  :grin:

Just saying....

I will be buying new wheels when I jump tire size. That front hp Ford housing 60 has 70 c's, dedenbear knuckles along with 5 bolt branik hs arms. So it would be a spindle out conversion, I actually think just hubs if I recall they are 8 lug hubs turned down & redrilled.....

As far as the rear I would need to source new custom axle shafts, double ended might be easiest but need to figure out how to retain the abs then whereas with using the stock rear d-44 backing plate & brakes I believe it is already there.

Other thought is brakes are over rated as it's a manual.......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 10, 2017, 03:06:26 PM
LoL....

I think you could easily do it either way...but I'd float that 9" regardless. If staying 5lug why not use a 14 bolt style hub, open up some 5 lug rotors and use the original calipers thus allowing your ABS to work. Not sure why yr worried about the ABS since it's a stick =P

Also your front calipers on the 60 will work with the abs?

The amount of 1 ton equipped Jk's running around I am sure there is a formula for this...

All I know is even aftermarket 9" semi float shafts have very little side load torsional resistance. I once ran 40 spline semi float...I still broke/bent them at the flange. When I floated the 9" I never broke a 31 spline in the same truck. 5400lb truck on 38's.

Now if you just drive it around on the street/mulch beds...semi float should work.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 10, 2017, 03:42:44 PM
LoL....

I think you could easily do it either way...but I'd float that 9" regardless. If staying 5lug why not use a 14 bolt style hub, open up some 5 lug rotors and use the original calipers thus allowing your ABS to work. Not sure why yr worried about the ABS since it's a stick =P

Also your front calipers on the 60 will work with the abs?

The amount of 1 ton equipped Jk's running around I am sure there is a formula for this...

All I know is even aftermarket 9" semi float shafts have very little side load torsional resistance. I once ran 40 spline semi float...I still broke/bent them at the flange. When I floated the 9" I never broke a 31 spline in the same truck. 5400lb truck on 38's.

Now if you just drive it around on the street/mulch beds...semi float should work.

Full floating the rear is a good idea I agree. Also I have that pesky traction control thing that runs on tone ring in brake setup. Was planning on wiring it out but need to check with state inspectors on that first. It's a pos design & doesn't really work.

I think a lot of those guys ditch the abs, not sure. Need to keep it street legal and I know the emergency brake is part of the inspection. Thinking abs is too, however I'm not real familiar with those inspections as I've only went through one.

Not sure on front 60, think Don was talking to guy who was "working on something" recall cmax straight axle swap he was contemplating. Here again maybe able to use the stock calipers with existing setup just change bracket for caliper mount.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 10, 2017, 06:18:21 PM
Ok, after some more research Currie sells axle tube ends that accept set 80 bearings along with stock jk d44 brake setups. They also sell 35 spline axle shafts with the tone ring installed. They sell the jk tone rings separate so thinking I may be able to buy the housing ends & have my current 9" axle shafts machined for the tone ring. The jk sensor is mounted in the caliper bracket on the stock jk axles.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 10, 2017, 06:50:40 PM
Doesn't that Currie set up require an adapter "package" as well as the Torino housing ends?

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 10, 2017, 08:12:18 PM
Norm, not sure as I'm not familiar with those set 80 bearings. I recall Ford had two styles of bearings but I thought you could interchange them. I was assuming the set 80 were one of those styles but again I'm not edumucated to that extent on the 9".....

Here's what I was looking at...

http://www.currieenterprises.com/CE-95011JK

Also for what it's worth if you need a narrow 60 housing it would be a lot easier for me to run a superduty front 60 on this jk. Maybe we can do some horse trading....

My other thought with sticking with the 9" is the size of the pumpkin etc. things get kinda tight with that fuel tank etc back there.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 10, 2017, 08:20:48 PM
I also believe (maybe Tate knows) that if I run the superduty front they have unit bearings that will accept the wheel sensor and also be machine for the 5 on 5.5 pattern.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on January 12, 2017, 04:45:27 PM
I've heard that to be a pretty favorable setup with the superduty hp60 Sean, pretty sure Brian knows some guys that manufacture those too, i'll look into it for you. fun fact, if you don't wire in a switch to actually disable the active stability and traction on the automatics, the wheel skip of a heavy posi or auto locker like a grizzly will cause the tcm to freak out and throw it into limp mode. thanks Chrysler.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2017, 09:16:18 PM
I've heard that to be a pretty favorable setup with the superduty hp60 Sean, pretty sure Brian knows some guys that manufacture those too, i'll look into it for you. fun fact, if you don't wire in a switch to actually disable the active stability and traction on the automatics, the wheel skip of a heavy posi or auto locker like a grizzly will cause the tcm to freak out and throw it into limp mode. thanks Chrysler.

Copy, look forward to the info.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on January 13, 2017, 02:22:26 PM
Currie has a 5x5.5 brg hub conversion but you have to buy custom Wilwood brakes and not saving any money on the junkyard axles. I was just talking w/ Joe at Unlimited off road in MI, and unless that Superduty housing is free, you're spending too much for them at $500+ each wholesale on hubs only, then about $1k on brake conversion. better to do a dynatrac or something similar or just go 8 lug wheels. sorry to sink your battleship there Sean.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2017, 02:58:41 PM
Tate, is there another option for the wheel speed sensor on a front 60 then the superduty axles? I already have the built 60 front w/o the speed sensors in 5 on 5.5 (stock hubs turned down & redrilled).
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 13, 2017, 05:54:08 PM
Unless I am old and forgot something, he can run just one wheel speed sensor and minus the ABS, everything will work correctly. Only the newer Jeeps need all 4 sensors. So regardless of combination....ya just "need" one sensor.

Sooooooo... sell your present 60 housing. Use a SD housing from any yard.. $225 here at the pick and pull when they have one. Use one Currie hub for your sensor and away you go.

I feel 8 lug is a no brainier because the rotors/calipers are off the shelf, everything is cheaper and simpler. Swapping that 9" to 8 lug is child's play. Used 8 lug wheels are a dime a dozen if your feeling all thrifty.







Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on January 13, 2017, 06:06:18 PM
Tate, is there another option for the wheel speed sensor on a front 60 then the superduty axles? I already have the built 60 front w/o the speed sensors in 5 on 5.5 (stock hubs turned down & redrilled).

Not that I've heard of Sean.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2017, 06:07:14 PM
Unless I am old and forgot something, he can run just one wheel speed sensor and minus the ABS, everything will work correctly. Only the newer Jeeps need all 4 sensors. So regardless of combination....ya just "need" one sensor.

Sooooooo... sell your present 60 housing. Use a SD housing from any yard.. $225 here at the pick and pull when they have one. Use one Currie hub for your sensor and away you go.

I feel 8 lug is a no brainier because the rotors/calipers are off the shelf, everything is cheaper and simpler. Swapping that 9" to 8 lug is child's play. Used 8 lug wheels are a dime a dozen if your feeling all thrifty.

I've read my jeep only needs one too but everyone keeps mentioning that you have to require the other three into that single sensor somehow but I've yet to see anyone write up how they did it & I hate wiring did I mention that part?

Edit: Branik also does a custom unit bearing setup on rear axles but again price is getting up there I suppose.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2017, 06:13:45 PM
Currie has a 5x5.5 brg hub conversion but you have to buy custom Wilwood brakes and not saving any money on the junkyard axles. I was just talking w/ Joe at Unlimited off road in MI, and unless that Superduty housing is free, you're spending too much for them at $500+ each wholesale on hubs only, then about $1k on brake conversion. better to do a dynatrac or something similar or just go 8 lug wheels. sorry to sink your battleship there Sean.

Need to call Currie, they show a setup running 5x5.5 axle shafts but you have to upgrade bearing ends. Run stock d44 jk brakes
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 07:26:04 PM
Unless I am old and forgot something, he can run just one wheel speed sensor and minus the ABS, everything will work correctly. Only the newer Jeeps need all 4 sensors. So regardless of combination....ya just "need" one sensor.

Sooooooo... sell your present 60 housing. Use a SD housing from any yard.. $225 here at the pick and pull when they have one. Use one Currie hub for your sensor and away you go.

I feel 8 lug is a no brainier because the rotors/calipers are off the shelf, everything is cheaper and simpler. Swapping that 9" to 8 lug is child's play. Used 8 lug wheels are a dime a dozen if your feeling all thrifty.








Koot,
Since you're all tuned into the D60 front axle world

Allow me to take this opportunity to completely change the subject (Junk up this thread) and ask for you to read in on my Silverado build
Remember when I was going to add in that HPD60 from a 2005 F350? It's a beautiful king pin thing that I just love to look at. Anyway, I have all the suspension parts, minus shocks, the axle housing, open carrier, 35 spline axles, knuckles, but no hubs. Sent them to _____Can't reacll their name, and they kept them.

Anyway, the problem was, we couldn't fit up the anti skid brake rotors to make that junk work and not flash dash lights at me all the time.

I was looking at a tighter than the Battleship Missouri turning radius out of the SAS front over the girly car suspension those trucks have.

Any clue how to do that...go ahead and write all you want, it's shawn's thread and he wouldn't care if we used this as the new discussion forum!
;-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2017, 07:34:25 PM
Chief, you're smoking something if you think a king pin Dana 60 came from an 05 superduty FYI......

Furthermore if it was an 05 60 it had abs brakes on it stock.


But by all means keep junking up the thread! :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
Chief, you're smoking something if you think a king pun Dana 60 came from an 05 superduty FYI......

Furthermore if it was an 05 60 it had abs brakes on it stock.
I stand korrekted

1995 F3-fitty
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2017, 07:41:56 PM
Ok, now that Don has sobered up. I think I may have a way to make it work. I ran it past Norm last night and he couldn't argue his way against it. Odd I know, he said something about Kay in yoga pants or something at the start of the conversation so maybe it's possible he was distracted from the conversation.

Here's the thing, I need superduty knuckle out components to figure this out for you Don. I'm pretty sure I have a work around for mine at the moment.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 07:54:06 PM
Ok, now that Don has sobered up. I think I may have a way to make it work. I ran it past Norm last night and he couldn't argue his way against it. Odd I know, he said something about Kay in yoga pants or something at the start of the conversation so maybe it's possible he was distracted from the conversation.

Here's the thing, I need superduty knuckle out components to figure this out for you Don. I'm pretty sure I have a work around for mine at the moment.
Be happy to hear it

Give you a get out of banned card, for the next time...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2017, 07:54:27 PM
Also worth noting you would be a guinea pig of sorts if you wanted to proceed with this test pilot idea.

Like how I added pilot in there so he couldn't say no? :wink:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 07:54:50 PM
Where's that frozen nebraske' corn farmer???
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
Also worth noting you would be a guinea pig of sorts if you wanted to proceed with this test pilot idea.

Like how I added pilot in there so he couldn't say no? :wink:
I do kinda like that
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 07:56:22 PM
Web site data page sez he's postin'

But I'm not seein'
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 14, 2017, 07:56:47 PM
Don.... I'd say stay tuned, I suspect Sean may have a workable idea. And to aid him I am going to take a look see at my junk collection sometime in the next few days...I may have a idea, but I need to lay eyes on the hub.

Does anyone "ken" have a clue how large of a diameter the Chevy or for that matter Ford speed sensor deal is?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2017, 07:58:21 PM
Norm, you see a text from me today?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 07:59:09 PM
Don.... I'd say stay tuned, I suspect Sean may have a workable idea. And to aid him I am going to take a look see at my junk collection sometime in the next few days...I may have a idea, but I need to lay eyes on the hub.

Does anyone "ken" have a clue how large of a diameter the Chevy or for that matter Ford speed sensor deal is?
Koot,
I can tell you this. The only rotor we found that fit in the size range with a reluctor ring was a late 2500 Dodge.

From what I recall, it needed machining and possibly even machining of the hub

BTW, I don't have any hubs so I could go with anything I suppose
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 14, 2017, 08:29:25 PM
No Sean but our cells are being whacky...not sure whats up.

As I see it Sean's situation is a easy cheap fix. He just needs a Currie tone ring on one of his rear axles and he's set... minus the wiring he will do anything to avoid. My guess it's no big deal...

Now on a floater front...more challenging.

One option that would make it simple on a front 60 would be a Spyntech Kit..
http://spyntec.com/wp-content/uploads/9904_Ford_hub_3.jpg

not a cheap solution but totally possible. Now...the question would be does Chevy use some weird odd tooth count on it's brakes? If not....although not a cheap solution it's a workable one.

But I thought the Duramax crowd had a computer tune workaround to bypass the anti lock?

WFO has a disk brake brackets that adapt 2010 vintage Chevy brakes and speed sensor to a Ford King pin 60.... Don if that uses the same sensors or tone ring your golden...you could just swap to 2010 Front brakes.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
I believe Chevy tooth count is 60 where most are 54 I think I read

My situation gets simpler once I acquire a new DD, which is by mid march at the latest. Trying to find what I want for least money at the moment. Then I can get the jk re emissions certified for the next two years and can take it down for several weeks at a time if need be.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 08:42:38 PM
No Sean but our cells are being whacky...not sure whats up.

As I see it Sean's situation is a easy cheap fix. He just needs a Currie tone ring on one of his rear axles and he's set... minus the wiring he will do anything to avoid. My guess it's no big deal...

Now on a floater front...more challenging.

One option that would make it simple on a front 60 would be a Spyntech Kit..
http://spyntec.com/wp-content/uploads/9904_Ford_hub_3.jpg

not a cheap solution but totally possible. Now...the question would be does Chevy use some weird odd tooth count on it's brakes? If not....although not a cheap solution it's a workable one.

But I thought the Duramax crowd had a computer tune workaround to bypass the anti lock?

WFO has a disk brake brackets that adapt 2010 vintage Chevy brakes and speed sensor to a Ford King pin 60.... Don if that uses the same sensors or tone ring your golden...you could just swap to 2010 Front brakes.
WHAT?
WFO is the company I was working with two years ago with MY HUBS to solve this problem.

I'm off to their site to check this out...Better not have sold my hubs!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2017, 08:44:06 PM
Uh oh....... :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

For the record us manufacturing guys never sell anything we might need measurements from. I bet they still have them but are gunna be like Don who????? :shocked:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 14, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
Darned varmits!!!!!

I went there and sure enough, they are selling all the stuff we were working on that was supposed to premier on C-Max!!!!!!!!

That's the lowest, low crawlin' no-good, good for nutthin' thing this side of the sunset!

I'm gonna give them a call first thing Monday morn!!


Actually its fine that they developed the kit, good for them

I'll get my stuff back, and maybe finish out the parts I needed for C-Max
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 14, 2017, 09:24:33 PM
Don.... before ya chew em out... ask why the 2011 and newer Dmax isn't supported...and if there is a work around like using 2010 brakes as an example.

I am interested in this stuff for many reasons...not the least of which my oldest kid is determined to build a real Dana 60 for the front of his Power Wagon..he's already replaced the rear with a Dana 80 from a CTD truck. He has test fit my 40" set of tires, and well it's just a matter of time before he hangs a Front 60/radius arm set up under that truck.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 15, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
Don.... before ya chew em out... ask why the 2011 and newer Dmax isn't supported...and if there is a work around like using 2010 brakes as an example.

I am interested in this stuff for many reasons...not the least of which my oldest kid is determined to build a real Dana 60 for the front of his Power Wagon..he's already replaced the rear with a Dana 80 from a CTD truck. He has test fit my 40" set of tires, and well it's just a matter of time before he hangs a Front 60/radius arm set up under that truck.
What I know about this is that:
The 2011 truck is quite a bit different from the 2010
Having grown from the LMM engine to a LML, a significant increase in torque, everything got larfer
The rear 11.5" AAM axle got larger bearings
The brakes in the front grew larger
the lug nut pattern went from a 8-6.5" to an odd ball 8 on 180mm pattern, and,
Of course we got the blessed DEF, There were frame changes, a larger driveshaft, an upgraded Ally transmixer and who knows what else.
I suspect it is the brake size difference that was causing the snag. If I recall you can't get the larger rotor in a 180 on 8 bolt circle. The big dodge rotor has the 8 on 6.5 pattern. So if you went with that, then the wheels wouldn't fit the rear 180mm pattern unless you installed a 2010 rear axle assembly to match the front, or run wheels of different bolt circle patterns front and rear, which makes rotating big tires now a matter of pulling tires off rims.
With all that, I don't remember them being able to fit the 55 tooth reluctor ring onto the dodge stuff, so with that said, I was out.

I hope I recounted that correctly. I have everything for a radius arm/coil spring suspension. I even have a set of 7" lift Dodge 2500 front coils gathering cat fur in some corner...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Sammconn on January 15, 2017, 09:50:50 PM
Recount seems to be accurate as I remember it playing out there chief.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 17, 2017, 07:53:27 PM
OK, on to some stuff I actually have figured out. Well, kinda.......

So I have a 30" Rigid Ind led light bar I have needed to mount for some time. I dislike it above the windshield because it will knock into trees etc on trail rides. However, I also need to be able to haul 20' chunks of steel. So I needed a rack of sorts. In addition with low garage door heights in hippy land I'm restricted in overall vehicle height. So introduce Kargo Rack, they build a heavy duty rack system with quite a few neat add on jk items. Best part is they sell just this 2" front a-pillar hoop separately. I was able to get it mounted today. Will update with a couple more additions to it in the next day or so.

(http://i.imgur.com/u33FtwQ.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 18, 2017, 07:26:30 PM
I like that!

Nice to see some JK stuff going on. I fugure by spring I'll be to the point I won't be able to stand a stock GJ any longer. Have to fatten it up a bit...

Good example shaping up here!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 18, 2017, 07:32:41 PM
Well, that starter I put on three months ago during the motor fiasco is officially taking a big poop. Making some funny noises, hasn't left me stranded yet but it's under warranty so that is being swapped shortly. Snow blower needed carb torn apart and cleaned then wife picked up a screw last night & we awoke to a flat this morning. Not my week.....

I did work on back rack a little more today & decided a couple pieces are getting cutoff & replaced as the design evolves.....

& I ordered a 2" bar clamp machined to mount "stuff" to roll bars made of 2" tube today.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 19, 2017, 10:34:39 AM
Well, that starter I put on three months ago during the motor fiasco is officially taking a big poop. Making some funny noises, hasn't left me stranded yet but it's under warranty so that is being swapped shortly. Snow blower needed carb torn apart and cleaned then wife picked up a screw last night & we awoke to a flat this morning. Not my week.....

I did work on back rack a little more today & decided a couple pieces are getting cutoff & replaced as the design evolves.....

& I ordered a 2" bar clamp machined to mount "stuff" to roll bars made of 2" tube today.
You know the rules...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 19, 2017, 11:04:52 AM
You know the rules...

(http://i.imgur.com/cTbqgx5.jpg)

Clamp, American made   :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 20, 2017, 03:24:28 AM
Not sure if cut n paste qualifies,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 20, 2017, 01:15:55 PM
Not sure if cut n paste qualifies,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Cut him some slack, the boy did something!

Think about it

It's Shawn, and he tried to comply

He's growin'  ;-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 20, 2017, 01:50:59 PM
Above part is out for delivery, tank rack is close for more pics & paint.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 01, 2017, 04:37:44 PM
Tank rack is finished and currently under primer, need to spray top coat and mount it. It went thru several changes and I ended up with this. The knob is a plastic handle that has a provision to hold a hex head 3/8 bolt, probably have to get a longer one but this keeps tension on the tops of the tanks. Then I used a trailer couple lock (weather proof) made by master lock to secure them. Works well and should be quiet when driving around. Cardboard behind rack is to confuse Ken and give him something to comment about.  :popcorn:

(http://i.imgur.com/1ZxYqJz.jpg)

used more rod on the end to make a cheap hinge along with a couple of bushings.

(http://i.imgur.com/WM1t6zY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WnDDGMP.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HxYRGH9.jpg)

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on February 01, 2017, 04:41:02 PM
Man, I'm surprised you didn't just end up with a molten pile of steel on the floor with how hot you're running that mig. :P

Just kidding....I like it!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 01, 2017, 04:48:31 PM
Yeah, and that is turned pretty low for that machine. I'm not a sheet metal fab guy really as I'm used to 1/4" & thicker for the most part.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on February 01, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
Looks good! :likebutton:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on February 01, 2017, 08:25:35 PM
Simple, strong, light weight, and home made

Love it!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 01, 2017, 08:36:02 PM
Simple, strong, light weight, and home made

Love it!

Thanks for the comments guys I appreciate it.

Don, thought of you today when I was picking up the mounting hardware at this local farm and ranch called Jax. They sell all things Hobart as in welding stuff etc. They have a nice portable table that folds up for easy storage and get this it is non flammable all for around $100

http://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/o/hobart_folding_welding_table.jpg
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2017, 11:06:49 AM
Simple, strong, light weight, and home made

Love it!

Thanks for the comments guys I appreciate it.

Don, thought of you today when I was picking up the mounting hardware at this local farm and ranch called Jax. They sell all things Hobart as in welding stuff etc. They have a nice portable table that folds up for easy storage and get this it is non flammable all for around $100

http://www.ruralking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/h/o/hobart_folding_welding_table.jpg
Who'd want it?

:-)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 17, 2017, 11:36:52 PM
OK, so since I'm not building anything and this truck is staying stock other than a fancy bed cover and some front window tint to match the rear I will post it here.

Originally I intended to buy a 2017 Silverado Z71 crew cab 4x. I have in earnest been trying to get them (several different chevy dealerships covering two states) down on their price for the particular truck I wanted. The Silverado was basically this F150 minus a few options making it a 48K MSRP. I had one dealership down to 39K and then my incentives from my GM card the greedy SOB's would only allow me to use 1500 of the over 6K I have at my disposal. So needless to say I wasn't thrilled with GM. Also worth noting my last 4 trucks have all been 1 ton superduty's. The other thing that bothered me was the amount of taxes I would be paying on said truck as I live in the peoples republic of boulder county.

So in the meantime of wearing down the GM dealership I was also looking for used 1 & 2 year old trucks with 20-30K on the clock. Last Sunday I was browsing CL and this truck popped up in my search up in Fort Collins around 45min north of me. Looking at their website the truck wasn't listed correctly with options and such. However, when you clicked on the link showing the original window sticker it was in fact the exact truck plus a couple of options I wanted. It had 26K on the clock and was a 16' one owner with clean car fax. I shot the dealer a message and they contacted me Monday morning not sure of even where this truck was located. We discussed the misprint and window sticker and he agreed it was in fact the window sticker optioned truck as I assumed it was being that those go off of vin number. By 12:30 he had the truck on his lot, I arranged to go up the following Tuesday morning and the sales guy hid the truck in the service lot as he said it was too good of a deal to let the other sales guys in on....... :rolleyes:

So showed up Tuesday and the rest is history.........

2016 F150 crew cab 3.5L TT 4x seats six and is fairly loaded other than cloth seats. After driving this for several days I am satisfied with staying a Ford truck owner. According to Kelly Blue Book I bought this for around $2k under the price range they show for this truck and it is very clean for a used truck. I can say that with confidence as I have looked at many in the last couple of months here. Window sticker on this truck showed just above $52K MSRP originally.


(http://i.imgur.com/qJBVehf.jpg)

9 year old red dog approves, she was one happy camper to be in the back of it. When I owned GLO, everyday after work I would come home from my day GM gig and package GLO parts to ship. She would be sitting in the back of the dually (no tail gate) waiting to go ship parts at fedex and USPS. She knows how to stay so anywhere I didn't have to be inside for long and the weather was accommodating she would ride along. Funny part is new truck has step that comes out of tailgate allowing her tired old butt to get in and out easily without me picking her up.

(http://i.imgur.com/PFribmy.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Bigdave_185 on February 18, 2017, 12:01:55 AM
It sure is a good looking color, at least you did that right.


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 18, 2017, 08:41:48 AM
Nice truck. Bet it rides nice.


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Sammconn on February 18, 2017, 09:07:16 AM
Nice looking rig there Shawn.
The pup has quite the smile going, must have missed the truck rides.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on February 18, 2017, 11:22:34 AM
did mama's money pit get traded in on this or ............
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on February 18, 2017, 11:53:36 AM
You guys and your red trucks. I don't like the attention but it looks good.

So it has the ECO Boost?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: dave945 on February 18, 2017, 01:39:34 PM
Nice looking truck. I agree that the red color draws attention. I like to keep mine low key as you can see below.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 18, 2017, 02:33:25 PM
Nice truck. Bet it rides nice.


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It does, but I admit the GM ride is slightly better.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 18, 2017, 02:38:13 PM
You guys and your red trucks. I don't like the attention but it looks good.

So it has the ECO Boost?

Nate, it's just an addition to the fleet. She still has her sporty lexus.

This does have the eco boost & we (family) just drove it on our first day trip to pikes peak.

Back down & eating lunch in manitou springs. Bobby, I'm doing the hill climb this year FYI if you want to join?????
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 18, 2017, 02:38:36 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on February 18, 2017, 03:40:53 PM
3/4 ton running gear? (blazer)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: dave945 on February 18, 2017, 04:23:10 PM
Yes sir, 86 K-5 Blazer. It was bone stock as an Alabama fish and game truck when I bought it. Painted it a version of American Lafrance safety yellow for the search and rescue team I was on at the time. Driving home one night and the back end jumped about six inches off the ground doing 50 on four lane. Ring and pinion in the 10 inch read end were trashed. Found a 3/4 ton front and rear for a goood deal at the local junk yard. Put the axles under it on the driveway outside my apartment. Fire ants and the fact that rear end weighs about five hundred pounds were the worst part of it.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cruizng on February 19, 2017, 02:12:19 PM
You guys and your red trucks. I don't like the attention but it looks good.

So it has the ECO Boost?
Nice truck!  As far as red.  If you never do anything wrong you don't have to worry about attention. Lol


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 19, 2017, 05:37:57 PM
The temporary plate calls it bronze, I call it maroon. Once had a convertible camaro & it was a favorite of the local pd but that had nothing to do with the color...... :wink:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Sammconn on February 19, 2017, 05:54:46 PM
Once had a convertible camaro & it was a favorite of the local pd but that had nothing to do with the color...... :wink:
Funny how that seems to be the case everywhere.
I had a firebird years ago that was also a local magnet.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on February 19, 2017, 07:47:56 PM
Bobby, I'm doing the hill climb this year FYI if you want to join?????

If I can convince the boss that I need to visit the Corporate offices in Colorado perhaps.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 20, 2017, 11:16:37 AM
Well, get convincing! :wink:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: BobbyB on February 20, 2017, 02:05:53 PM
Well, get convincing! :wink:


I told them I'd like to visit out there or Utah if I was given the chance for work related stuff. We'll see how it all turns out.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Bigdave_185 on February 28, 2017, 05:48:02 PM
Utah is great bobby! Come on up!


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Wilbur on February 28, 2017, 06:36:40 PM
Nice looking trucks both of them! I am partial to GM's but I get why that Ford made a lot of sense. Boulder County is a lot like MA in a lot of ways.  :rolleyes: I went to school up in Ft Fun back a long time ago.

Always wanted to throw 3/4 ton gear in a Blazer like that. Very cool! 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on March 03, 2017, 03:20:58 PM
Nice looking ride. It even looks kinda like a pickup  :grin:

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 03, 2017, 05:01:27 PM
Thanks everyone, glad to see you're still alive Norm!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 03, 2017, 07:42:55 PM
OK, so I've been slacking on the JK. So I've got around 5k on the new motor and now on my second starter. The under hood temps with these JK's are always an issue and headers exacerbate that problem. So when I threw then new motor in along with headers I decided it needed some ventilation and purchased these vents from daystar last fall. Going into winter I didn't believe the heat would be an issue, spring is upon us and thought I'd better get this mod out of the way. Being that they are plastic they are very lightweight and functional.

Started off laying it out and using an auto punch to locate for the drill holes, tiny 1/16 inch drill holes for all holes. This was after I laid a junk blanket over the engine bay and pulled the insulation from beneath the hood.

(http://i.imgur.com/LfA5ilu.jpg)

then larger holes

(http://i.imgur.com/MxD9ojL.jpg)

then use of the air nibbler

(http://i.imgur.com/LOEeWcD.jpg)

then rattle bomb the bare steel and reinstall insulation and hood bumpers along with new vents

(http://i.imgur.com/qUnjxld.jpg)

now it needs a bath and some wax.......






Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on April 03, 2017, 08:54:02 PM
Looks good. Sure the underhood insulation doesn't help with the heat.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 03, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
OK, so I've been slacking on the JK. So I've got around 5k on the new motor and now on my second starter. The under hood temps with these JK's are always an issue and headers exacerbate that problem. So when I threw then new motor in along with headers I decided it needed some ventilation and purchased these vents from daystar last fall. Going into winter I didn't believe the heat would be an issue, spring is upon us and thought I'd better get this mod out of the way. Being that they are plastic they are very lightweight and functional.

Started off laying it out and using an auto punch to locate for the drill holes, tiny 1/16 inch drill holes for all holes. This was after I laid a junk blanket over the engine bay and pulled the insulation from beneath the hood.

(http://i.imgur.com/LfA5ilu.jpg)

then larger holes

(http://i.imgur.com/MxD9ojL.jpg)

then use of the air nibbler

(http://i.imgur.com/LOEeWcD.jpg)

then rattle bomb the bare steel and reinstall insulation and hood bumpers along with new vents

(http://i.imgur.com/qUnjxld.jpg)

now it needs a bath and some wax.......







Kick Butt!

That looks great!

GJ...GJ...GJ...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on April 03, 2017, 11:02:09 PM
Looks good! That should make a heck of a difference.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 04, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
I agree, it should help. Kinda wish they had a vent for the rear near the windshield in the center. Couple companies make a large center mounted vent, poison spyder comes to mind but I didn't care for the look myself. I have read some people pull the rear hood seal out to allow air to escap but junk can fall down in there then.

So my next job is to address some electrical. I have a dual battery kit to install and then some additional lighting. I've held off on the rear tire mount as I am finishing up the hydro install on my hossfeld bender. Had an old pieced together setup and I am improving on it and then adding a better hydraulic system (read I'm spending good money to do it sort of right, not hossfelds design but pretty close).
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on April 07, 2017, 12:45:24 PM
Hood looks good!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 07, 2017, 03:53:51 PM
Thanks guys, it seems to move some heat. Was 50 - 60 here yesterday & you could definitely feel the heat coming up through the side vents after driving it.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Ok, so on to my not so favorite subject. Electrical, with the plan to add more components that work off of invisible fire we needed to install a dual battery setup. The first component of that is a dual battery tray. I selected one from M.O.R.E. or mountain off road enterprises.

Since I am sure there are pictures of the stock engine bay on this thread we will bypass that. The first step is to remove the battery & air box then to disconnect the ECM and remove it. Also unbolt the power steering reservoir mount and lay it to the side.

(http://i.imgur.com/FEn9mqm.jpg)

then remove the stock battery box which starts at the fire wall and extends to the core support.

(http://i.imgur.com/vTJva78.jpg)

remove the ECM mount from the battery box and save for later.

(http://i.imgur.com/u9wFUXW.jpg)

I recall smelling something hot for awhile after installing the motor with headers....... :huh:

(http://i.imgur.com/NEjCjBu.jpg)

headers melted clean through on the passengers side.......

(http://i.imgur.com/k38KQc1.jpg)

on to breaking out the jab saw and a metal blade, here we remove the old battery tray but keep the ECM mount and air box mounts to bolt back in place

(http://i.imgur.com/Ejfy2R8.jpg)

here is what we will be keeping and the trash is on the floor, bolt the save piece back in loosely along with the new battery tray

(http://i.imgur.com/JHhQ9Ti.jpg)

The tray is two pieces and in the center running vertical you can see three bolts, they are a pain. Not to mention after I finally get them in the interstate battery is just shy of fitting. So we went to the hardware and I swapped them out for a setup that was just shy of an 1/8" in height. This gave just enough room for that battery to fit like a bug in a rug.

(http://i.imgur.com/pSsgZA3.jpg)

So here we swap them out after a trip to the hardware

(http://i.imgur.com/P9WsMyM.jpg)



Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
Several things I am not happy about with this kit, first the inner battery sits partially over the passengers side header. Even though MORE does not show a heat shield someone either made one or thought there would be a need for one as the inner tray has a 4 pattern set of bolt holes in this tray. I will be fabbing up a heat shield to mount from them out of Aluminum.

(http://i.imgur.com/l2gBHlF.jpg)

Next up on my list is this upper firewall mounting bolt. There are three of them but only the upper one sticks out far enough to contact the battery. So using a set of bolt cutters I trimmed it back a half inch and then with a soft pad rounded the end. It no longer touched the battery.

(http://i.imgur.com/uz2hLB0.jpg)

So last of my complaints, they spend all this time making a battery tray that fits nice and they give me this for an upper hold down for two batteries? Oh and the hold down J bolts aren't long enough which doesn't matter because this flimsy piece of 1/8" isn't going across the top of my batteries.

(http://i.imgur.com/1qpNv3t.jpg)

old junk ratchet strap and here it is at the end of the day.....

(http://i.imgur.com/RaWKnpu.jpg)

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Wilbur on April 10, 2017, 06:58:34 PM
Great progress. I like the hood vents. Question- if the headers melted the original battery tray wont that ratchet strap be toast....er...melted synthetic fabric pdq? 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on April 10, 2017, 07:36:12 PM
Looks tight in there. Is that the Airbox up front and the batteries sit side/side now and you just have a single in there?

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2017, 07:45:57 PM
Looks tight in there. Is that the Airbox up front and the batteries sit side/side now and you just have a single in there?

Correct, I put it back together enough to drive around block and park in the back bay of my garage. Second battery sits motor side of battery that is there currently. I am going to build the "heat shield and get it mounted and then finish up with a new mo better hold down plate. Honestly the batteries are really snug with the new hardware but want to get it so that they won't tip side to side in a roll over.

Wilbur,

Ratchet strap is made of unobtanium, we're GTG!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2017, 11:14:30 PM
That looks good...Getting ideas for the GJ
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2017, 11:25:22 PM
Don, there are several companies who make a kit. One uses optima batteries and they mount them in their side. I'm not that cool, nor do I want to be. I wanted to run Costco interstate batteries. Not saying their is anything wrong with optimas as I have run them in the past. However, I think they are a little overrated for this build. My guess is by the time you get to working on GJ you'll have better options as several companies are currently working on new mo better versions.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 10, 2017, 11:43:12 PM
Shawn, forgive my ignorance, but what about a gas engine rates having two batteries?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2017, 11:55:43 PM
Shawn, forgive my ignorance, but what about a gas engine rates having two batteries?

Being able to start it is always a good idea. So what we're thinking here is that we will add two batteries & isolate one from the other. The first battery runs the jeep starter etc. The second will run the winch, auxiliary lights, fridge etc.

If we're making long pulls with the winch let's say & wear that battery down we still have a topped off fresh battery to start the Jeep & get us home at the end of a long day or weekend of camping.

Another thought is if I have two batteries I have a poor mans welder if needed when out in BFE. Been there & done it so I can tell you it works.......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 11, 2017, 10:45:20 PM
So today I fixed the JK......

Yesterday I ran into a time crunch putting the ecm and battery back in place. In my hurry I left off the ground from the battery to the inner fender well. In my defense I forgot that two grounds went to that stud (one from the ecm wiring and one from the battery) and the one from the battery was buried under the other ecm wiring. :rolleyes:

So it was running a little rough at first last night and the starter didin't seem to be engaging full on as it was intermittent. At that point I was in a rush and it was a bit of a blur. So I parked it in it's place and headed out, kinda thinking last night that I probably knocked a plug wire loose pulling the stock battery tray. Well, as it was I woke up thinking about that ground not a plug wire this morning. Somebody helped me out I think during the night.

Sure enough I go out and look to see a ground hidden under the ecm. I pulled the ecm loose from the mounts and wiggled the lost ground out from under that mess of wiring. I reinstalled it and jumped in the Jeep, it fired right up and ran great. However, there was an engine light on and figuring it was bogus from my snafu I decided to reset it by unhooking the battery. So I did that and a half hour later hooked the positive cable back up and jumped in the jeep to start it up.

A whole lotta nothing is what happened next. Plenty of lights etc all over the dash working properly, door chime kicing off but no starter not even a click. WTH I thought and started looking over all the connections. After checking the battery etc I thought well maybe somehow I toasted the solenoid on the starter? I mean everything works except that dumb starter and this is the second one in 4-5 months. After a bit I decided well pulling the starter isn't hard and the Napa down the street has that fancy machine that can test these out six ways to Sunday. So off it came and in the middle of that my phone rang five times while I'm stuck on a creeper under the Jeep. I then noticed after pulling off the heat shield that the solenoid wire is not attached. Well, maybe I pulled it off in the confusion of that pesky phone ringing? At this point I almost put it all back together but thought I'm this far and might as well get it checked out. Why not it's only one more wire and it will be out already. So I did and it tested like a new one, which it should because it's pretty new. So go home and reinstall it and it was fixed, but the darn engine light is still on and it's gunna stay that way for now.

Apparently, I tugged too hard on the power cable from the battery to the starter or when I was looking at making a heat shield for the started the other day and tried removing the stock heat shield I must have knocked the solenoid wire almost off. Then when I pulled the battery cable this morning it finally made it's way completely off. Easy fix that took several hours........
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 11, 2017, 10:52:19 PM
This afternoon while waiting for my daughter to do her physical therapy I stopped by HD and Lowe's to find a piece of aluminum sheet to make the heat shield for the battery box. Well, as I turns out their selection is great for roofing but not much else. So when I arrived home this afternoon I ordered up a 12" x 24" x 14ga (.080) 6061 aluminum sheet that I will carve and form into a heat shield. While I was on Mcmaster.com's site I ordered up 4 little aluminum spacers a 1/4" long to allow an air gap between the heat shield and the bottom of the battery tray. $40 later and it is being shipped as I write........
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on April 11, 2017, 11:31:27 PM
But you still have a CEL you didn't have before,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on April 11, 2017, 11:46:19 PM
That thing probably has about 20 codes in it from the ground issue. Wouldn't worry too much.

...everyone should have one of those cheap code readers to shove in the glove box imo. I put one in each of the daughter's cars so they can call me with a code, instead of me freaking out over a light that may or may not be anything critical.(especially since they live in another city)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on April 11, 2017, 11:49:01 PM
HF has em all the time, they work great!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2017, 12:04:50 AM
I agree with Ken, not worried about the codes. It runs like it did before so it's just annoying at this point.

Also agree I should probably buy a scan tool now that I'm wrenching on motors that no longer have distributor holes in the intake manifold...... :tongue:

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Wilbur on April 12, 2017, 12:26:12 AM
Mine was the best $100 (or thereabouts) I ever spent. Has paid itself many times over. And they're cheaper now. Definitely get one. You'll be happy you did.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on April 12, 2017, 02:31:29 AM
Mine is about 10 years old from HF. Just used on my wifes 2013 Captiva. Showed a bad cam soleniod, was a $50 ten minute fix.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on May 23, 2017, 10:13:20 AM
Well, you done playing around and get back on the jeep projects??
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on May 23, 2017, 10:25:45 AM
Negative, trips to Indiana every 3 weeks are killing me. Plus I've been doing concrete, landscaping and fencing today trying to get ready for planting our growing garden areas.

I keep moving the box of aluminum sheet around to do the heat guard under the new dual battery tray. Hoping maybe in the next couple days get it cut and formed up.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 09, 2017, 10:41:09 AM
So the trips to Indiana are over with at the present time. I say that knowing that in the not to distant future I will have to go back having a Dad who is 80 and diagnosed with CHF. His time here is short and he is ready to go.

On to the heat shield and that darned piece of aluminum I keep moving out of my way. When I was installing the dual battery tray I took some careful measurements knowing a heat shield would be needed with the battery tray located over the passenger header. I can't be cooking $100 batteries all the time.

I started by laying out the template for the tray I had sketched up earlier. Air nibbler, drill and grinder with soft pad knocked that out quick.

(http://i.imgur.com/vAbDym4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 09, 2017, 10:43:01 AM
The next thing was to address the bottom die in the shop press. At 3.5" wide it makes a huge bend in material and that will eat up real estate I do not have in the jeep bay.

(http://i.imgur.com/5fTxRD2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 09, 2017, 10:45:54 AM
After a little bit of scrounging in the drop rack I found a quick solution. Couple quick cuts on the band saw and drilled a couple of holes and we were in business.

(http://i.imgur.com/wh7x0C5.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/DNM9o5T.jpg)

viola! a new mo better bottom die  :likebutton:

(http://i.imgur.com/R7AWW7w.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 09, 2017, 10:46:41 AM
Then to start bending

(http://i.imgur.com/SfRzFsx.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 09, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
I did run into one snafu, the legs on these bends are 4" and after bending the first tab it wouldn't clear to let me bend the second longer length leg. So I pulled out my largest hand shears and trimmed it down to about an 1 1/4". You can see the modification by comparing these two pictures.

(http://i.imgur.com/txuP6xQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/vAbDym4.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 09, 2017, 10:53:08 AM
Took this picture to detail a couple of points. First I think I will acquire some silver solder and try my hand at filling that gap, may already have some just need to do some digging. The other point I would like to make is that relief hole I drilled in the corner of the pan, you can se it here and how removing that material on the pattern gave way to allow the pan to form up in the corners unobstructed. Makes for a cleaner job I think.

(http://i.imgur.com/j81DziZ.jpg)

Now on to the install at a later date as I have a fence job for the older neighbor lady to complete.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 09, 2017, 11:35:06 AM
Shawn give me some information on the press brake. Me like


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 09, 2017, 01:53:31 PM
Here is a shot of the two different bend radius. The lower is the stock 3.5" and then the upper is the 13/16" opening die I made. Both of these essentially air bend the material meaning the dies are not meant to bottom out.

(http://i.imgur.com/Q8ZMmfj.jpg)


TRN, the place is swagoffroad.com I bought their press plates too as my press didn't come with any and these are a great upgrade over stock cast HF units that can explode.

Hard to se in this picture but after inserting the angle iron bottom die I had approximately a 1/4" of space to slide the 1/8" material in to form it.

(http://i.imgur.com/bETcVYp.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on June 13, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
Didn't know you were a MMB...  Master Metal Bender...  Picked up all kinds of tricks in IN didn't ya!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 13, 2017, 11:16:36 AM
Didn't know you were a MMB...  Master Metal Bender...  Picked up all kinds of tricks in IN didn't ya!

Here I thought you used to own one of my diff covers.......

Back in Indiana we had presses and tooling worth a couple mil, here in my garage we have the tooling made from scrap! :tongue:

Glad to see you're still alive and kicking.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on June 13, 2017, 11:22:23 AM
Just for reference I misspoke earlier. You can't use silver solder on aluminum, the melting point of silver solder is high enough that when you finally get silver solder to melt there wouldn't be anything to solder it to except a puddle of aluminum. So I picked up an aluminum brazing kit from my local tractor supply yesterday wire brush included for $15
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on June 13, 2017, 05:15:04 PM
Just got the hf 20 ton and thinking about the press.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 23, 2017, 05:54:38 PM
Just got the hf 20 ton and thinking about the press.

Press brake is a must have add on IMO......

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 23, 2017, 06:01:50 PM
So it's been awhile since I wrenched on this. A long while, other priorities have taken up much needed time this year. I personally like to wrench on jeeps and trucks in the fall, don't ask me why it's just how it seems to work out for me. Anyhow, I have a trip to MOAB coming up in a year from now and the next couple of upgrades are going to change this build drastically. So last week after consulting a certain knowledge base here on the board I pulled the trigger on this picture below. For now I'll let you all guess what is coming, it won't be hard to surmise I'm sure. Right after I pulled the trigger our dishwasher went out and its a crap spec home model so with that said now I have to go drop $700 or so on a good unit...... so good parts are on the back burner for a bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/CzUiL32.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 23, 2017, 06:18:41 PM
Oh and somewhere I got sidetracked and painted then hung this.....

(https://i.imgur.com/zrFTTBA.jpg)

sorry for not posting that sooner as this has been mounted for a few months now along with "real" read non ethanol 91 octane residing inside.

Right after mounting that I ordered a foot controlled hydraulic pump for my tube bender at around $1k from some jack holes in cali (read communist) and found it to be Don's fav (see Chinese junk) and then after 4 months of frustration and testing and wasting expensive specialty oil which I subsequently sprayed all over my shop & myself we come to the conclusion it was in fact Chinese crap. :rolleyes: Also included in this 4 month process I returned it with fedex damaging it "supposedly" (no pics or documentation conveniently) and then some more waiting and complaining to finally received a refund.  :popcorn: & drama......

So I now have another pump of American origin in my shop that I need to build a mount for and wire (then figure out how to wire the remote hand control) so that I can bend up the rear tire mount. Long story short there.......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 23, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
Shawn
Let me sidetrack just a bit
What's you recommendation for the GJ of mine regarding tire size/rim?

I drove that thing to Lexington last night

It is awful!

Tires are hammering, feels like bad bearings. I'd say they are at least 30% but the pounding is bad.

The stock shocks belong on a coupe d'ville not a jeep IMO

So I was thinking of trying to sneak a 33" Goodyear on a 17" wheel with no lift ($$$ issue) then get a 3.5" lift later on

It has the stocker rubicon stuff now and has 4.10 gears

Opinions?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Sammconn on October 23, 2017, 08:33:00 PM
I'd say you scooch the axles from Shawns trailer, put some 4.56's and 40's on it with a long travel coilover setup.
Shoot, that's likely what Shawn plans to do with them though.
I might be off on the gears and tires a bit, but hey it would fix the GJ also.

That's what I figure is on the trailer anyhoot.

Gas can holder looks good too btw.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 23, 2017, 09:04:50 PM
Shawn
Let me sidetrack just a bit
What's you recommendation for the GJ of mine regarding tire size/rim?

I drove that thing to Lexington last night

It is awful!

Tires are hammering, feels like bad bearings. I'd say they are at least 30% but the pounding is bad.

The stock shocks belong on a coupe d'ville not a jeep IMO

So I was thinking of trying to sneak a 33" Goodyear on a 17" wheel with no lift ($$$ issue) then get a 3.5" lift later on

It has the stocker rubicon stuff now and has 4.10 gears

Opinions?

Won't fit the 33" tires with those stock wheels, it's why I went to the aftermarket 16" wheels on mine with about a 3" back space wheel versus the 7" on stock ones (I might be exaggerating there a bit at 7"). But my tire size is currently 285/75 was just shy of a 33" tire and I had no lift. I put the lift on later too. I would rub a little turning & hitting the front suspension hard but nothing I couldn't live with. So if you want to keep those wheels stick to a 32" tire or less or buy a set of spidertrax wheel spacers.

Edit I should just sell you my set of 5..... with about 80% on two and 95% on two others. Spare has around 80%

Edit x 2: when you say pounding do you mean the front end is hopping? Mine did that a little at 70 mph & above prior to installing the winch & winch mount plate. But it didn't hop near as bad as my rubicon 2 door tj used to. 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 23, 2017, 09:45:28 PM
Was it SWAG?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 23, 2017, 09:49:28 PM
Was it SWAG?

Was what?

Pump wasn't swag, nothing but a good experience from Swag....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 23, 2017, 10:58:29 PM
I'd say you scooch the axles from Shawns trailer, put some 4.56's and 40's on it with a long travel coilover setup.
Shoot, that's likely what Shawn plans to do with them though.
I might be off on the gears and tires a bit, but hey it would fix the GJ also.

That's what I figure is on the trailer anyhoot.

Gas can holder looks good too btw.

I don't like coilovers, I think I've stated this before but they have a limited amount of cycles before needing rebuilt. Great for a race truck that needs more wrench time than a mid 70's Harley.

Now, take a coil spring. Other than falling or popping out of place occasionally it's pretty hard to kill it. I mean take one & throw it against a tree, let Don try to chew it in half with his grapple bucket (sorry backup is that currently functional? We'll assume it is for sake of arguement I guess  :tongue:). Aside from Kens GF H sitting on it I just think it's hard to beat as the tool of choice to use in an off road capacity. Again just my 2 cents.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on October 23, 2017, 11:17:08 PM
My guess as to what's on the trailer: A brick, several pieces of lumber (short length sections), and what looks to be a tarp. Amiright?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 23, 2017, 11:23:17 PM
My guess as to what's on the trailer: A brick, several pieces of lumber (short length sections), and what looks to be a tarp. Amiright?
:knucklehead:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on October 23, 2017, 11:31:43 PM
Motor
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 23, 2017, 11:44:34 PM
Motor

Negative, other than using some oil this new motor is holding up.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 24, 2017, 08:45:13 AM
In the trailer is that a pair of Dana 60's or is the other one a 14 bolt?

Was counting the bolts by the subtle indentations in the cover but that lower corner is a bit wrinkled, so not exactly sure...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 24, 2017, 08:46:04 AM
Oh, forgot to mention, I was not, make that definitely not going to use the stock wheels. I don't like them either.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 24, 2017, 09:07:20 AM
Oh, forgot to mention, I was not, make that definitely not going to use the stock wheels. I don't like them either.

One is in fact a 60 but not both.....

Yeah, ditch the stock wheels and you can run a 33? tire, it will rub on the front a bit. Mine are 32.8? duratracs......

I do really like the OME heavy duty suspension I might add.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 24, 2017, 11:21:52 AM
This setup is what I was thinking about although with the duratrac tires
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 24, 2017, 12:24:16 PM
You didn?t mention you were adding flat fenders...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 24, 2017, 05:14:45 PM
You didn?t mention you were adding flat fenders...
Yea, I don't like the look of those stockers, and she already rubbed on on a passing Honda.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 24, 2017, 05:17:25 PM
And BTW Shawn,
I wanted a two door rag top. Ended up with the four door hard top girly jeep

I owned two CJ-7's. Neither had a second door. One was a soft top. I rolled that one over. The top wasn't on, so yep, no damage (to the top)
Hard top station wagon jeeps are just hard to drive, poor handling Kia tucson's to me.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 24, 2017, 05:29:50 PM
And BTW Shawn,
I wanted a two door rag top. Ended up with the four door hard top girly jeep

I owned two CJ-7's. Neither had a second door. One was a soft top. I rolled that one over. The top wasn't on, so yep, no damage (to the top)
Hard top station wagon jeeps are just hard to drive, poor handling Kia tucson's to me.

I agree, liked my 2 door much more. My 3 girls were a bit shorter back then & getting them in & out was much easier. So in a few years I see the wife unit & I reverting back to a 2 door bronco! :wink:

In the meantime I?ll keep playing with this. In reality the wheel base is just about right with the 4 door. I assumed this reminded you of that H2 thing you owned but more versatile or potentially more capable at least. The wheel base on mine is getting stretched probably 3-4? yet in the rear to make things function & look correct after the latest upcoming mods.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on October 24, 2017, 05:33:16 PM
You didn?t mention you were adding flat fenders...
Yea, I don't like the look of those stockers, and she already rubbed on on a passing Honda.

A drawer on my tool box sticking out gouged my front passenger fender. I?m changing ours up too, those bushwhacker flat plastic fenders are ok & I ran them on the tj
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 24, 2017, 08:33:31 PM
Hmmm. Don rolls jeep. Tells story to MPs....I seem to recall a story like that being told


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on October 24, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
Hmmm. Don rolls keep. Tells story to MPs....I seem to recall a story like that being told n


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Yep, that's the one

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on November 15, 2017, 04:51:28 PM
OK, back on task after the Boss sidetracked us into DOT land once again......

So I decided I was tired of looking at that nifty aluminum heat shield I built sitting on my work bench. So I started by pulling the battery & tray then got stuck on that one bolt that was tough going in originally. So somehow it cut a thread off the bolt in the process of install or uninstall and I needed to use the welder to get a regular wrench head welded on it to muscle it out. Now the nuts for these bolts are welded under the mount for the CPU and I'm guessing the battery tray guys welded a little hot and then did not run a tap thru the threads afterwards. So once I removed said bolt that is exactly what I did. USPS welding shield, Don should be proud and it didn't even catch fire.....

(https://i.imgur.com/7ge4WNA.jpg)

So after fighting to remove the tray I mounted up the new heat shield including these little 1/4" thick aluminum washers.

(https://i.imgur.com/UIuVcG1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1PyoltP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dKtoAEP.jpg)

Then on to the install, I did have to massage that upper stud again on the fire wall. The base of it was wider than the stud itself creating a shoulder that needed narrowed up. Used a 4" grinder and in under a minute it was narrow enough to engage the tray easily.

(https://i.imgur.com/SpOgGLa.jpg)

Inner fender pulled down you can see this clears the headers with room to spare.

(https://i.imgur.com/losyXCq.jpg)

Finished it off with a foot of 3/8" ID fuel hose split on one side and then slid over the top to keep the heater hoses from wearing through.

(https://i.imgur.com/LyOggUw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jlKrne7.jpg)

Now to buy some more electrical components to finish up the dual battery install.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on November 16, 2017, 10:03:54 AM
Tip of the day: Usin' Cardboard boxes as welding spatter control devices...Brilliant! :likebutton:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 26, 2017, 03:00:59 PM
So with Christmas come and gone once again the focus is now back to the Jeep and getting it true trail ready. At the moment I really need to finish up the dual battery install and the lights. I'm wanting to run power to the rear off the second battery to use a spare 9K winch I have and keep it removable using a hitch mount. In the past with welding leads and cables I always used a large punch and made do. However, for the cost I have been eyeballing these and with an amazon gift card I received from my youngest daughter I decided that it was time to purchase these.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GVAODYQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GVAODYQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Also right before Christmas I contacted our very own Tate at his day job for Randy's Ring and Pinion and had him order me in a compressor to take care of air power duties. II order an ARB 12v unit model #CKMTA12

http://store.arbusa.com/ARB-On-Board-High-Performance-12-Volt-Twin-Air-Compressor-CKMTA12-P21341.aspx (http://store.arbusa.com/ARB-On-Board-High-Performance-12-Volt-Twin-Air-Compressor-CKMTA12-P21341.aspx)

So it has been ordered and should arrive shortly.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 26, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
As some of you guessed a few posts and dot comments back I scored a set of Superduty axles. The front is a ball joint Dana 60 from a 2002 and the rear was a 10.5 Sterling boat anchor from a 1999 both 1 tons. I still have them and the plan has always been to use the front 60. The rear though I have been debating for some time, truth be known since before I paid good money for it..... :tongue:

Couple of thoughts on that Sterling, unless you stretch the rear axle 3" at bare minimum rearward it with it's high pinion centerline design will impact the gas tank under compression of the suspension. It has great ground clearance by this design but I'm still stuck with running that darned metric wheel mount bolt pattern. So I spent a good 2-3 hours one evening here late last week researching the gas tank dilemma. By the time I was done I decided I didn't like the Sterling enough to keep it and can probably make a couple hundred selling it for what I have in it. Yes, I could pay $1500 and buy and aftermarket tank from Genright but I didn't like them enough to throw that kind of money at it either. Fuel cells suck for one reason or another as well. With the Sterling getting put up for sale or maybe I'll just donate it to Don he's gunna need a spare anyhow for the rear of Sq D as Cummins and Sterlings don't play well together which I bet he finds out now that it runs.........  :popcorn:

Something to mention, the front superduty unit bearings can be bored out for 35 spline stub shafts and machined for different mount patterns such as 5 on 5 1/2. So after deciding to donate the Sterling I recalled a rear custom jk housing on CL local a couple months ago. So a quick search and a text I discover that brand new housing is still available. It is a currie built JK F9 rear housing with 35 spline shafts, read direct bolt in to my JK. Even can use standard JK brakes and sensors, pretty nice unit. The shafts come dual drilled for the standard 5 on 5 jk pattern and also the 5 on 5 1/2 which would match the front 60 potentially modified units bearings. One of my end goals is to run 38-40" rubber on this jeep and this setup will work out just fine for those parameters. The front 60 measures 68.75 and this F9 housing measures up 66 so close enough and it should track well down the pavement. No gas tank issues and I do not have to stretch the rear if I do not choose to do so. Reality is I probably need to stretch it 1-2" to center the larger rubber in the rear wheel wells. Here are the specs on that axle. Maybe Tate will grace us with his presence and let us know what kinda cool options Randy's has for a center chunk.

https://www.currieenterprises.com/jk-f9300r (https://www.currieenterprises.com/jk-f9300r)

And here is the housing and axle shafts in my truck this morning........

(https://i.imgur.com/k2FF7y7.jpg)

 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 26, 2017, 03:45:23 PM
Progress!!!  Bench progress but progress none the less


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 26, 2017, 03:46:48 PM
Progress!!!  Bench progress but progress none the less


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The plan is coming together......... :tongue:

I also have a time frame I'm working under with a trip to moab scheduled and I need a few shake down runs between now and Oct.......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on December 26, 2017, 06:33:35 PM
As some of you guessed a few posts and dot comments back I scored a set of Superduty axles. The front is a ball joint Dana 60 from a 2002 and the rear was a 10.5 Sterling boat anchor from a 1999 both 1 tons. I still have them and the plan has always been to use the front 60. The rear though I have been debating for some time, truth be known since before I paid good money for it..... :tongue:

Couple of thoughts on that Sterling, unless you stretch the rear axle 3" at bare minimum rearward it with it's high pinion centerline design will impact the gas tank under compression of the suspension. It has great ground clearance by this design but I'm still stuck with running that darned metric wheel mount bolt pattern. So I spent a good 2-3 hours one evening here late last week researching the gas tank dilemma. By the time I was done I decided I didn't like the Sterling enough to keep it and can probably make a couple hundred selling it for what I have in it. Yes, I could pay $1500 and buy and aftermarket tank from Genright but I didn't like them enough to throw that kind of money at it either. Fuel cells suck for one reason or another as well. With the Sterling getting put up for sale or maybe I'll just donate it to Don he's gunna need a spare anyhow for the rear of Sq D as Cummins and Sterlings don't play well together which I bet he finds out now that it runs.........  :popcorn:

Something to mention, the front superduty unit bearings can be bored out for 35 spline stub shafts and machined for different mount patterns such as 5 on 5 1/2. So after deciding to donate the Sterling I recalled a rear custom jk housing on CL local a couple months ago. So a quick search and a text I discover that brand new housing is still available. It is a currie built JK F9 rear housing with 35 spline shafts, read direct bolt in to my JK. Even can use standard JK brakes and sensors, pretty nice unit. The shafts come dual drilled for the standard 5 on 5 jk pattern and also the 5 on 5 1/2 which would match the front 60 potentially modified units bearings. One of my end goals is to run 38-40" rubber on this jeep and this setup will work out just fine for those parameters. The front 60 measures 68.75 and this F9 housing measures up 66 so close enough and it should track well down the pavement. No gas tank issues and I do not have to stretch the rear if I do not choose to do so. Reality is I probably need to stretch it 1-2" to center the larger rubber in the rear wheel wells. Here are the specs on that axle. Maybe Tate will grace us with his presence and let us know what kinda cool options Randy's has for a center chunk.

https://www.currieenterprises.com/jk-f9300r (https://www.currieenterprises.com/jk-f9300r)

And here is the housing and axle shafts in my truck this morning........

(https://i.imgur.com/k2FF7y7.jpg)

Hola.

Nice change up on the rear there, and super fortunate find on that currie housing.
Smells like a Zip locker or Grizzly to me. Both are RMTS special priced air or automatic, and either are stronger than their "other guy" counter parts, and that's not just marketing fluff. A certain Australian co. has now re-designed their case and changed their warranty to be more competitive.

Shawn,

If you're going to trailer this thing, or at least not daily drive it, (which I assume) I would stick with the Grizzly in the back. just less moving parts. If you have any questions as to durability, Mac Plecker in GA has been running them in his full size monster truck, Ballistic for 7 years now. http://www.extremeteam4x4.com/ He's got the Grizzly in the rear and the Zip up front and has been abusing the snot out of them.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 26, 2017, 07:15:51 PM
The housing was a nice score being brand new at the discount I paid, wish it had the upgraded back brace but I do have a modded 9" center section and pucks / alignment bar at my disposal. So I may beef it up a little before paint.

Interesting on the "other" guy info, I'll take a look at the zip. Surprised to hear they take abuse as you stated. I'm open to the grizzly, since I have no trailer when I do take it we will be pounding pavement so something to keep in mind there. Air I'm hoping will be up front under the hood so it's right there if we wanted to do air up front. The rear I would like to keep auto, I'm used to it as I always have run full locker detroits in the past. Don hasn't broke his yet so that would be a plus 1 for the grizzly. I mean all those nasty mulch beds he gets into now and again.

Hola.

Nice change up on the rear there, and super fortunate find on that currie housing.
Smells like a Zip locker or Grizzly to me. Both are RMTS special priced air or automatic, and either are stronger than their "other guy" counter parts, and that's not just marketing fluff. A certain Australian co. has now re-designed their case and changed their warranty to be more competitive.

Shawn,

If you're going to trailer this thing, or at least not daily drive it, (which I assume) I would stick with the Grizzly in the back. just less moving parts. If you have any questions as to durability, Mac Plecker in GA has been running them in his full size monster truck, Ballistic for 7 years now. http://www.extremeteam4x4.com/ He's got the Grizzly in the rear and the Zip up front and has been abusing the snot out of them.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on December 26, 2017, 07:33:18 PM
Those terminal 'pliers' will be great, as long as they don't break. Don't know if you've used them before, but even as large as they are, it still takes 2 boys and a women to crimp a terminal with them! (the one I have hasn't failed yet, using it weekly, but I didn't pay amazon price. lol)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 26, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
We had a high dollar set in the electrical crib at my old shop, I borrowed them on occasion. I figured no more then I use them maybe these will be ok? If not it?s $25 or so....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: wyorunner on December 27, 2017, 01:21:35 PM
So with Christmas come and gone once again the focus is now back to the Jeep and getting it true trail ready. At the moment I really need to finish up the dual battery install and the lights. I'm wanting to run power to the rear off the second battery to use a spare 9K winch I have and keep it removable using a hitch mount. In the past with welding leads and cables I always used a large punch and made do. However, for the cost I have been eyeballing these and with an amazon gift card I received from my youngest daughter I decided that it was time to purchase these.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GVAODYQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GVAODYQ/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Also right before Christmas I contacted our very own Tate at his day job for Randy's Ring and Pinion and had him order me in a compressor to take care of air power duties. II order an ARB 12v unit model #CKMTA12

http://store.arbusa.com/ARB-On-Board-High-Performance-12-Volt-Twin-Air-Compressor-CKMTA12-P21341.aspx (http://store.arbusa.com/ARB-On-Board-High-Performance-12-Volt-Twin-Air-Compressor-CKMTA12-P21341.aspx)

So it has been ordered and should arrive shortly.

We ran this compressor for 8 years in our 4Runner. Used it quite a lot and was pleased. Glad to know I can source another one from one of RMTWS own.

The one thing I am going to probably do is add a storage tank on the next setup or setups, cause we want air in the 4Runner and the crew cab.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on December 27, 2017, 02:54:43 PM
Vair makes a few low cost tanks. On my EB I sourced used semi tractor tanks.......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 04, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
So I moved the axles I'm currently needing to work on indoors yesterday freeing up some space in my shed and emptying the trailer for other uses shortly. This morning with it being 50 mid day today I decided I would wash this ford 9" axle of the KY mud that it is caked with. Mud is a foreign substance in Colorado so there may be a polar shift when I wash this off and it settles on mother earth here.......

I need a 35 spline center chunk and the local 9 guru (4 car garage is wall to wall 9 parts) is interested in this axle. So I am stripping it down and going to see what kind of barter deal I may score with him. Whatever I cannot get via him I will then give Tate a call at his day job Randy's Ring and Pinion to secure the rest of the axle parts. Here is said axle minus the calipers and rotors which I pulled this morning. I will be keeping the pinion guard and 1350 yoke for the JK.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZeO38j2.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 04, 2018, 12:37:07 PM
Here is the 2002 Dana 60 front which I sent Tate a copy of this ID tag and he verified it is what we knew it was. To the right is the boat anchor I am donating to Sq D........

(https://i.imgur.com/pGvUB7w.jpg)

Copy of ID tag still on the cover

(https://i.imgur.com/qhBZUil.jpg)

Tate sent me this after he ran that tag is some Database and confirmed it is of 2002-2003 origin.

(https://i.imgur.com/OW9ubOz.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 04, 2018, 11:47:56 PM
A 14bt for SD, Norm said it would need it!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: dave945 on January 05, 2018, 12:20:06 AM
That 14 bolt looks nice, it has disc brakes, mine still has the drums. Need to get a disc conversion done, shave off some weight there.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 05, 2018, 12:23:33 AM
Negative, it?s a sterling same as he already has I believe. Can?t recall if his is disc brake or not?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on January 05, 2018, 09:16:43 AM
Negative, it?s a sterling same as he already has I believe. Can?t recall if his is disc brake or not?
Don't think so

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 05, 2018, 11:31:52 AM
Don does have drums.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on January 07, 2018, 06:35:33 AM
 The Sterling is not a horrible axle. That said, the crush washer pinion pre-load issue doesn't lend well to big heavy trucks and Cummins torque. They are more suited to Power Stroke and Duramax type applications=P  The other issue is wheel seals always leak....like always.

Dons will be fine until he hooks up his torque converter.

You going to narrow your front 60 or leave it full width?



Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 07, 2018, 08:32:53 AM
Something to mention, the front superduty unit bearings can be bored out for 35 spline stub shafts and machined for different mount patterns such as 5 on 5 1/2. So after deciding to donate the Sterling I recalled a rear custom jk housing on CL local a couple months ago. So a quick search and a text I discover that brand new housing is still available. It is a currie built JK F9 rear housing with 35 spline shafts, read direct bolt in to my JK. Even can use standard JK brakes and sensors, pretty nice unit. The shafts come dual drilled for the standard 5 on 5 jk pattern and also the 5 on 5 1/2 which would match the front 60 potentially modified units bearings. One of my end goals is to run 38-40" rubber on this jeep and this setup will work out just fine for those parameters. The front 60 measures 68.75 and this F9 housing measures up 66 so close enough and it should track well down the pavement. No gas tank issues and I do not have to stretch the rear if I do not choose to do so. Reality is I probably need to stretch it 1-2" to center the larger rubber in the rear wheel wells. Here are the specs on that axle. Maybe Tate will grace us with his presence and let us know what kinda cool options Randy's has for a center chunk.

https://www.currieenterprises.com/jk-f9300r (https://www.currieenterprises.com/jk-f9300r)

And here is the housing and axle shafts in my truck this morning........

(https://i.imgur.com/k2FF7y7.jpg)

Norm, here was my earlier thoughts on that front width. I like to keep things oem as possible for parts availability. KISS principle if you will if permitable & goal being to do some longer range road trips so I think stock width is best. Any further thoughts on that stock width?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on January 08, 2018, 10:39:25 AM
The Sterling is not a horrible axle. That said, the crush washer pinion pre-load issue doesn't lend well to big heavy trucks and Cummins torque. They are more suited to Power Stroke and Duramax type applications=P  The other issue is wheel seals always leak....like always.

Dons will be fine until he hooks up his torque converter.

You going to narrow your front 60 or leave it full width?

If you work your 9" guru guy there you can get a preload spacer and shims to eliminate the crush sleeve. you'll have to bevel the inside lip of the spacer to fit the pinion correctly, but you'll never have to fiddle with a crush sleeve again. if you can't find one locally let me know.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 08, 2018, 12:04:10 PM
The Sterling is not a horrible axle. That said, the crush washer pinion pre-load issue doesn't lend well to big heavy trucks and Cummins torque. They are more suited to Power Stroke and Duramax type applications=P  The other issue is wheel seals always leak....like always.

Dons will be fine until he hooks up his torque converter.

You going to narrow your front 60 or leave it full width?

If you work your 9" guru guy there you can get a preload spacer and shims to eliminate the crush sleeve. you'll have to bevel the inside lip of the spacer to fit the pinion correctly, but you'll never have to fiddle with a crush sleeve again. if you can't find one locally let me know.

Tate, guru & I have discussed just that. Haven?t spoke to him recently though. I keep plugging you btw, so working that angle for you. There is some history if I recall correctly. Thanks!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 08, 2018, 04:06:49 PM
In case any of you were wondering how I was going to install that 60 under the front here is what I ordered today

http://www.artecindustries.com/JK_SD_60_1T_Swap

With my tube bender still down for the moment, a time line to stay on and having enough other things to do I decided on going this route. The less expensive and alternate route would have been to make my own truss and mounts which I have done many times.

Then I purchased this as I don't have a 400 degree stick or maybe I do but for $11 refused to dig through a box to find out it was 300 instead of 400 etc. These are handy when a certain preheat temp is necessary and 400 is the correct preweld temp for that cast housing. Nickel rod works best but I am going to just run a mig on it and wrap the welding blanket after peening it. My shop should smell lovely that day as I have been using the blanket for a smoker insulation cover as of late.  :tongue:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007J9IFMK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3MUED1123Z9UD&psc=1
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 08, 2018, 04:06:53 PM
Don does have drums.
Korrekt!

I decided to go old schoul...drums, albeit the wide ones it is!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 08, 2018, 04:08:32 PM
The Sterling is not a horrible axle. That said, the crush washer pinion pre-load issue doesn't lend well to big heavy trucks and Cummins torque. They are more suited to Power Stroke and Duramax type applications=P  The other issue is wheel seals always leak....like always.

Dons will be fine until he hooks up his torque converter.

You going to narrow your front 60 or leave it full width?




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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 08, 2018, 04:13:32 PM
The Sterling is not a horrible axle. That said, the crush washer pinion pre-load issue doesn't lend well to big heavy trucks and Cummins torque. They are more suited to Power Stroke and Duramax type applications=P  The other issue is wheel seals always leak....like always.

Dons will be fine until he hooks up his torque converter.

You going to narrow your front 60 or leave it full width?




Funny-

I as well found it interesting for him to believe that a sterling might hold up to your duramax with your track record of breaking stuff...... :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 08, 2018, 11:50:38 PM
That is a nice setup for the front axle. I need to get some of those sticks. Handy to have.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 11, 2018, 11:12:04 PM
So enough tomfoolery, all these posts about food and commie gun grabbers. Lets get back to jeep building!  :beercheers:

Between morning meetings and daughters basketball game at 4pm I had just under 3 hours to do battle and strip down that front 60

Initial attack
(https://i.imgur.com/N8i7Asc.jpg)

Drain some gear oil and pulled tie rod and stabilizer
(https://i.imgur.com/IcuyT3T.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 11, 2018, 11:13:16 PM
Quick inspection of internals and all is good! :likebutton:

(https://i.imgur.com/fEYZUUg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/psXkCvx.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 11, 2018, 11:15:55 PM
pulled brakes

(https://i.imgur.com/bhTLLIx.jpg)

pulled stub axle retaining c clip

(https://i.imgur.com/pTR5D2S.jpg)

then pulled unit bearings, knuckles and shafts, it finally gave up the fight and here it is right before I had to start cleaning shop

(https://i.imgur.com/kIr6vk7.jpg)

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 12, 2018, 08:26:51 AM
Concur!

Enough of this touchy-feely girl stuff

Back to buildin' something

Even if it has to be a Jeep

Hey, you'll appreciate this: So all of Kat's people (employees) are commenting about her GJ now. THey thing it lost it's look! They all think the tires don't "look" right on it

Yeesch!!! I had to take a near overdose of street pharmaceuticals just to order those streetish lookin Nitto AT's. I wanted so badly to get some decent mud tires...But NOOO. I'll sacrifice one for the team here and keep it all highway friendly. Now, no one likes it anymore

This morning during the ritual face painting event which I study with some interest as it turns Kat into miss Cosmo, she announces, "I think we need a "tougher" tire for my Jeep, along with a winch and some more lights!

Laughing...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2018, 09:07:46 AM
Duratracs, not too loud, wear even & perform well. One down side is weak or thin sidewalls, mulch bed approved too! :likebutton:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2018, 09:41:40 AM
So the next step or my next step as I await the artec kit is to start getting additional hard parts machined and or in process. For the 99-04 Dana 60 front axle there are only a couple current options for knuckle upgrades. After quite a bit of due diligence the one company that stood out & looks to have it down to a science is Weaver Fabrication.

https://www.weaverfabrication.com/

The product I will be purchasing is the 99-04 machined knuckle and high steer arm kit. They machine the top of both knuckles to accept their 1" thick arms that are not drilled which for me is perfect as it allows me to configure the steering in a way that works best for my setup. Once I get the old ball joints pressed out I will have these on their way to get machined. I just contacted Weaver this morning and gave them a heads up on the inbound parts. I will keep you updated on the process with them.

https://www.weaverfabrication.com/product/1999-2004-hi-steer-complete-kit/
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2018, 11:56:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Fp19ZSm.jpg)

Stripped knuckles, pressed out ball joints. Need to find a sturdy box for these heavy pigs to ship in now.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2018, 03:00:06 PM
Tate, Ken possibly, the inner knuckle seal on these superduty axles is only there to to help create the vacuum needed to operate the stock vacuum operated locking hubs? This is my assumption anyhow, can you guys verify that seal doesn?t stabilize the stub shaft going into the unit bearing or some crazy thing I?m overlooking does it?

When weaver machines the knuckles they machine the vacuum port off the knuckle anyhow and my plan was to run drive flanges.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on January 12, 2018, 06:09:25 PM
Hmm good question. The support bearing inside is not very heavy.. that seal is pretty beafy...it might unintentionally provide some support, but more importantly keep moisture out. Ford also redid the seal on the axle tube side so you might want to go OEM on that one.

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2018, 07:53:38 PM
Hmm good question. The support bearing inside is not very heavy.. that seal is pretty beafy...it might unintentionally provide some support, but more importantly keep moisture out. Ford also redid the seal on the axle tube side so you might want to go OEM on that one.

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I know guys are running 35 spline shafts through the unit bearings (after having them machined, I have a shop that will be doing it for me). So earlier I sent a message off to Tate asking if those guys are using say a f450 seal or just leaving it out. I?ll have to look at the unit bearings closer but I thought they were sealed pretty tight.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2018, 08:28:20 PM
So further reading guys are just boring the unit bearing id from 1.3 to 1.5 and ditching that inner seal to run 35 spline shafts & drive slugs.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on January 12, 2018, 09:28:50 PM
I guess I don't understand. The main wheel bearing/hub has a needle bearing inside that supports the axle stub, and the seal keeps moisture out of that bearing.... unless we're talking about a different front end.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180113/186e599a546298fcbc75dcee28db8590.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180113/7fc3fd4fb6cd42b4e7983d76c8a52985.jpg)

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2018, 09:47:14 PM
When you bore that unit bearing out to accommodate the 35 spline shafts the needle bearings go away.

Edit: this is what I have read & it is what certain machine shops have been doing to these unit bearings for a few years now. I will take some measurements tomorrow on my used ones.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on January 12, 2018, 09:58:21 PM
Oh, they eliminate the needle...makes sense

.. but they're actually boring the hub that's pressed into the main bearing...easy.. much softer steel
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 12, 2018, 11:22:59 PM
Oh, they eliminate the needle...makes sense

.. but they're actually boring the hub that's pressed into the main bearing...easy.. much softer steel

Ken, you ever take apart one of those unit bearings? Looks like a spanner wrench and you can undo them and repack them.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2018, 12:36:53 AM
Ok, so lets switch gears or into tires specifically.

When I started acquiring pieces and parts I was thinking 39-40" tire. Then the more I thought about it the 38" tire seemed to be a better fit since once you go over that the more drastic you need to get into suspension and trimming etc on the body and fenders.

I started researching these 38" tires and part of my criteria is to keep non beadlock wheels per unit cost reasonable in case I destroy one. At the end of the day this JK is a tool in my mind, a point A to B tool and well tools break occasionally. Wheels are not worth $300 each to destroy when a $100 unit will destroy just the same and carry the tire from A to B if you follow my logic? I'm cheap so reasonable to me is $150 or less and $100 is even better.

Then once you look at the small amount of 38" tires available and varying costs of those & you still need to decide wheel size. Now here is another criteria that limits us, the mount pattern of 5 on 5.5 is limiting on reasonable priced wheels. I really like 16" wheels, I'm a bit old school and I like a lot of rubber on my tires in relation to the rim and airing down for real world off road use that sidewall if tough enough will give you traction. However, 16" wheels are not reasonable really for that mount pattern.

Long story short after all of this deciphering 17" wheels and 37" tires are in abundance and in the world of supply and demand they have reasonable options and many. So here I find myself with a JK that will be sporting 17" wheels and 37" tires. So wheels, well those will come after we decide what tire.

Researching tires, many options all basically the same. From dick cepek to pro comp to cooper etc. & they are all fine and dandy except for those darn BFG KM2's they still suck. Then I come across my old friend in a new updated version at a price I (recall I am cheap) can hardly resist.
(http://www.intercotire.com/sites/default/files/brands/8-Super_Swamper_TSL_SX2_600x600.png)
http://www.intercotire.com/tire/148

in 37 x 12 x 17R

So me and this tire have history, it's like that one friend you have not hunted with since you were teenagers and you bump into him at the gas station getting coffee on opening morning deer season 20 years later. It's gunna be real hard to drink that coffee and leave without him.

My EB originally had 36" SX's on it that I traded something for, they were cheap (perfect right?) and were a great off road tire. They have a bit of an attitude on the pavement but nothing a seasoned guy can't deal with.

So after writing all of this I think my mind is made up & DOT approved for those commies who make me do emissions tests occasionally. :beercheers:




Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on January 13, 2018, 08:14:34 AM
Heck yeah, swampers FTW !!!

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2018, 08:54:31 AM
Heck yeah, swampers FTW !!!

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A true 37? tire too (at least that is what four wheel parts website claims)!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 13, 2018, 10:28:23 AM
Yeah, those won't make any noise on road.....

Better upgrade the stereo
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on January 13, 2018, 11:21:18 AM
Yeah, those won't make any noise on road.....

Better upgrade the stereo

Remember HE'S CHEAP!  Besides, it won't be enough to silence the WHINE of the Colorado Tree Huggers he'll be offending by sporting such wanton waste of resources driving his jacked-up, souped-up Jeep!  He might just want to actually hear their sniffles and the squeaks of their cork soled Berkenstocks as the Snowflakes rock back and forth sobbing in horror as he drives by!   :likebutton:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2018, 11:50:45 AM
Yeah, those won't make any noise on road.....

Better upgrade the stereo

It?s a Jeep.......

Road noise is part of the experience, I love how these yuppies out here add sound deadening / insulation to the hard top roof panels to make it more ?landroverish?. I have a friend who I will call a ?yuppie wheeler? who is too good for swampers and said you don?t need that ?type? of tire for Colorado. I?m old school a bit, this Jeep build is a like a wedding. A mix of old tech and new, the swampers are just old school cool imo. Add that & I don?t care what most think & well there ya go! :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2018, 11:51:58 AM
Yeah, those won't make any noise on road.....

Better upgrade the stereo

Remember HE'S CHEAP!  Besides, it won't be enough to silence the WHINE of the Colorado Tree Huggers he'll be offending by sporting such wanton waste of resources driving his jacked-up, souped-up Jeep!  He might just want to actually hear their sniffles and the squeaks of their cork soled Berkenstocks as the Snowflakes rock back and forth sobbing in horror as he drives by!   :likebutton:

Yeah, wait until I take this over to downtown boulder..... :tongue:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cruizng on January 13, 2018, 03:48:50 PM
Well if "yuppie wheeler" doesn't like it they sound perfect!


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 13, 2018, 07:25:19 PM
Mudders are combat proven as well

Our SF teams in the stan ran those and Coopers needing something better than the goodie year kevlar tires.

That is saying a lot. SF dudes don't run in packs. Lone wolf stuff, so they may literally be betting their lives on that tire. To say they trust them is, indeed making a statement as to that tire's durability, traction, and dependability

Myself: Hate em!

Like bolting on four cinder blocks with sharpened/hardened corners
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2018, 07:31:29 PM
You & Charles related? Trying to talk me out of them already?  :tongue:

I?ll admit, I?m on the fence a bit. I want them but not sure a stock jk coil spring type suspension ie: bushings etc will hold up to these rough riding beasts. I definitely would not put them on the F150 but I?m wondering if a radial irok wouldn?t run a tad smoother & get the same performance result?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 13, 2018, 07:58:25 PM
Wrong. I?m not trying to talk you out of them. Just an observation.  Remember the only person that has to be happy is the one that writes the check.


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2018, 08:44:28 PM
Wrong. I?m not trying to talk you out of them. Just an observation.  Remember the only person that has to be happy is the one that writes the check.


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So you?re not related? Copy! :wink:

Ok, so I reached out to our own Mark from National Tire and Wheel earlier. That guy is on it and replied to a PM here the same day I sent it which was today a Saturday even.

So he burst my bubble, they (NTW) no longer carry the sxII?s due to balancing & quality issues as these are built in China. I knew Interco back during the recession they had outsourced a lot overseas so not much of a surprise really. So I?m leaning on his first hand knowledge to help me find a good tire. We?ll see what his thoughts are on the subject. Keep you all posted.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 13, 2018, 08:49:15 PM
I heard that!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on January 13, 2018, 08:51:59 PM
Wrong. I?m not trying to talk you out of them. Just an observation.  Remember the only person that has to be happy is the one that writes the check.


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So you?re not related? Copy! :wink:

Ok, so I reached out to our own Mark from National Tire and Wheel earlier. That guy is on it and replied to a PM here the same day I sent it which was today a Saturday even.

So he burst my bubble, they (NTW) no longer carry the sxII?s due to balancing & quality issues as these are built in China. I knew Interco back during the recession they had outsourced a lot overseas so not much of a surprise really. So I?m leaning on his first hand knowledge to help me find a good tire. We?ll see what his thoughts are on the subject. Keep you all posted.
You know, there BFG's are working out OK at the moment. I think I got a bad one, but after rotation, it was a different truck. Traction is really good on my rig, and yesterday/today I got to drive them on ice and snow. They did great. Now, they are definitely wearing pretty fast, but for now, are riding quite well...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 13, 2018, 08:56:44 PM
Maybe Mark will chime in, I don?t think it?s any coincidence that you, Ken & I have all had issues with those tires. Pretty certain we all had different sizes even, mine were a 16? wheel and around a 34? diameter whatever that works out to?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on January 13, 2018, 09:20:58 PM
That's a shame on the swampers. The radial and siped version is pretty quiet. That's what is on my 73 gmc but must be the first version (been on the truck 10 years) 36" on 16s.
Don must be thinking of the original tsl biased version... yeah they where horrible on the road

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 13, 2018, 10:24:13 PM
Just me but I would lean towards a radial. With the jeep being light and using it on the street it would be better handling. Plus the newer radials are so much better than anything 20 years ago when we all head about the swamper (type) street manners.

I had Mickey Thompsons on my 77 Sierra (36/14-15?) and loved em
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2018, 09:37:10 AM
So after Marks last message I inquired about the irok radials & his latest statement was that they are a much better tire in every aspect & American made to boot. As such they stock tons of them.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 14, 2018, 10:23:16 AM
Sounds like a sale


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2018, 12:17:19 PM
Sounds like a sale


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Potentially, Mark will definitely get a quote/last look on it when I pull the trigger in next month or so.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 14, 2018, 02:59:33 PM
I vote some super swamper bloggers!


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 14, 2018, 03:20:34 PM
I vote some super swamper bloggers!


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I had 37? cut boggers on my eb before I parted it out & moved to hippy land. I cut every small lug off of them...
Title: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Bigdave_185 on January 14, 2018, 06:38:20 PM
When I was in high school we found a cheap set of 33x15.... put them on the 15 wide wheels and over inflated them for burn out purposes.  It was a riot driving on them like a wash board road


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on January 18, 2018, 11:17:59 AM
I've been running 36x13.50r15 IROK radials on my CJ for about 8 years, and they're not bad. A little slick on ice, but they tackle everything else well. Sidewalls are really tough, and stiff enough that I've run 2lbs of pressure (without beadlocks) off road and never lost a bead. On the highway, there's a little whine, but not much. They're about as loud as the BFG Mud Terrains I had years ago. They ride smooth, too.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 18, 2018, 11:19:42 AM
I've been running 36x13.50r15 IROK radials on my CJ for about 8 years, and they're not bad. A little slick on ice, but they tackle everything else well. Sidewalls are really tough, and stiff enough that I've run 2lbs of pressure (without beadlocks) off road and never lost a bead. On the highway, there's a little whine, but not much. They're about as loud as the BFG Mud Terrains I had years ago. They ride smooth, too.

Great feedback / info, thank you!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cj7ox on January 18, 2018, 11:23:17 AM
I've been running 36x13.50r15 IROK radials on my CJ for about 8 years, and they're not bad. A little slick on ice, but they tackle everything else well. Sidewalls are really tough, and stiff enough that I've run 2lbs of pressure (without beadlocks) off road and never lost a bead. On the highway, there's a little whine, but not much. They're about as loud as the BFG Mud Terrains I had years ago. They ride smooth, too.

Great feedback / info, thank you!

That's what we're here for, right? LOL
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on January 18, 2018, 12:49:16 PM
from a former tire guy, get the IROKs. sipe the center lugs for a little ice/wet pavement improvement but leave the outer lugs whole. they'll run like a noisy all terrain.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 24, 2018, 09:40:49 PM
from a former tire guy, get the IROKs. sipe the center lugs for a little ice/wet pavement improvement but leave the outer lugs whole. they'll run like a noisy all terrain.

Good info, I still have my tire grooving iron.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 24, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Never siped on road tires but our alcohol super stock dirt cars got siped a lot on the outer tread


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cruizng on January 25, 2018, 08:41:53 AM
I siped my Toyo Open Country tires and they have worked really well on the road, ice, and snow. No cupping at all of the lugs. Tires are loud though. I rotate every 5K and have about 38K miles on them right now.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 25, 2018, 08:53:14 AM
Never siped on road tires but our alcohol super stock dirt cars got siped a lot on the outer tread


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Charles, you were a dirt track guy? I knew I liked you...... :beercheers:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on January 25, 2018, 12:49:58 PM
That?s two of us, three if you played Shawn - nothing accentuates the flavor of high octane racing gasoline, exhaust and fine clay dust like Bourbon!  Kinda like fresh burnt gunpowder!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 25, 2018, 05:10:28 PM
I ran the pit crew and wrenched. And regulated pit fights after on track incidents.  I?ve done a few laps but never had my own car. I was trying to hire on as a driver in a sprint car but wasn?t good enough.


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on January 25, 2018, 08:14:20 PM
Drove a Sprint car once on a closed track....... The scene from Star Wars when they go to lightspeed is exactly what I saw in my little tunnel vision when you hit the gas down the straightaway!   Was awesome to do alone on the track-wouldn?t want to do it with 19 of my closest fellow lunatics though!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 25, 2018, 08:17:23 PM
That?s two of us, three if you played Shawn - nothing accentuates the flavor of high octane racing gasoline, exhaust and fine clay dust like Bourbon!  Kinda like fresh burnt gunpowder!

I?ve never raced a sanctioned event that I can recall? I?ve worked many pits from dirt track to off road koh type races & in between. KOH was probably the biggest show I was ever a part of really.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on January 25, 2018, 08:57:11 PM
and that steering wheel in your waist with that flat bus like steering angle was weird.    i was soooo scared I was going to wreck someone else s car.  if it had been mine I proably would have cut 3/4 second off my lap times.

I knew all too well what the aluminum wing on the top cost....

Now, having said that, getting up close and personal with the outlaw cars was un real.  Those things are like fighter jets
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 25, 2018, 10:15:34 PM
I?d pay good money for an hour on a bare track in one of those outlaw winged sprint cars. That just looks like so much fun!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on January 26, 2018, 12:44:38 AM
Hck, all I ever got to do do was a little demo derby. Pitting was fun, big hammers and get moving.

I got asked to do a little off road racing, but didn't bite. Only having 3 wheels on the ground around corners was fun.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on January 26, 2018, 07:05:43 AM
When I did it, the car was bicycling in the turns (on 2 outside wheels) so I was told to GO FASTER, I did and damned if it didn?t slap down tight and slide like it should - wing needed more flow to work!  The brakes are basically there for LOOKS!  Would do it again in a heartbeat ALONE on the track, racing one with others is like taping $100 bills all over your body and running through a crowd of Hillary voters!  You aren?t going to finish a race without loosing a few at best; most likely loosing everyone of them!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on January 26, 2018, 07:41:25 AM
Demo derby?s are always a good time, I worked pits on a combine demo derby once. We used a backhoe and portable welder to put heads back on so they could run more heats.......

Key was knocking rear axle out from under them. 😉
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on February 05, 2018, 08:53:28 PM
I ran the 38"ssx on my 3/4 ton chevy.  Loved them.  Drove well and weren't that loud.  Always did like the Irok's.  Never bolted a set on, but had every intention to.  Oh well, not much help from me, as usual...

Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on February 05, 2018, 08:56:57 PM
Shawn..who dat ? ^^^^

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2018, 09:04:46 PM
Shawn..who dat ? ^^^^

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My long lost brother from another mother!


He used to help me wreck, er I mean DOT up Dons build threads, but he?s too busy in retirement now to help with such things.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on February 05, 2018, 09:16:30 PM
I thought he sounded familiar but his post was.. like...so mature!
Still waiting for him to come out here and show me how to shoot a buck with a bow.

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2018, 09:26:52 PM
I thought he sounded familiar but his post was.. like...so mature!
Still waiting for him to come out here and show me how to shoot a buck with a bow.

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Must be under the weather, I hear that flu bug is going around......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 05, 2018, 09:46:23 PM
Don probably banned him and he's taken his punishment seriously.........time to re-instate him Don!  :facepalm:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on February 05, 2018, 09:53:43 PM
Nah, flu bug hit our area severely...  Had 1,200 deaths in Texas last week alone.  That's just one week.  So, been rough.  All is good here though.  I'm the only one in the family that got hit with the flu. 

Other than that, just loving life, my family, and my job.  And the occasional visit with Shawn via text... 

I learned a long time ago that Shawn was more than able to pick up the slack for me on these threads... 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 05, 2018, 10:46:19 PM
Not that school or other shootings aren't important and tragic, but there is deafening silence about other losses of life that are preventable like the flu deaths, 90,000 deaths per year in the hospital due to medication errors, and more than 250,000 per year due to medical errors.

But since they have a bed wetting fear of guns that is what gets the most attention.....

DOT over...
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2018, 10:54:06 PM
They?re not in fear of guns Charles, they just want control over who has them.

BTW, there was another officer killed in CO today (3rd in last 3 weeks or so) & there is a nasty rumor floating around some friends of mine who wear a certain uniform that Denver is going to start seizing mags over 15 rounds. I have not run across this info anywhere else but it would not surprise me if this is in the works. That will not end well if it is true.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on February 06, 2018, 08:12:03 AM
Considered the TRXUS? Amazing in the snow, tough, most I know that run them have zero complaints.

I am shopping rubber for the Daughters Eco Beater myself.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2018, 09:19:32 AM
Considered the TRXUS? Amazing in the snow, tough, most I know that run them have zero complaints.

I am shopping rubber for the Daughters Eco Beater myself.

Norm, I had not but will look into those as well.

As for the Ford, I am very happy with my cooper atp?s so far and the price point was right too.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2018, 12:10:07 PM
Shawn..who dat ? ^^^^

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He used to help me wreck, er I mean DOT up Dons build threads, but he?s too busy in retirement now to help with such things.
Did you just remind me of that?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2018, 12:11:57 PM
Considered the TRXUS? Amazing in the snow, tough, most I know that run them have zero complaints.

I am shopping rubber for the Daughters Eco Beater myself.


Cootie, ran those Truxus tires. They blow up every once in awhile you know... Mine were traction gettin' out of round wheel covers on the SAS tundra I built once.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2018, 12:29:38 PM
Shawn..who dat ? ^^^^

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My long lost brother from another mother!


He used to help me wreck, er I mean DOT up Dons build threads, but he?s too busy in retirement now to help with such things.
Did you just remind me of that?

Well, it has been awhile since you had a real automotive build thread. For the record attaching a Chinese bumper to the GJ doesn't count either........ :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2018, 04:50:50 PM
Shawn..who dat ? ^^^^

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My long lost brother from another mother!


He used to help me wreck, er I mean DOT up Dons build threads, but he?s too busy in retirement now to help with such things.
Did you just remind me of that?

Well, it has been awhile since you had a real automotive build thread. For the record attaching a Chinese bumper to the GJ doesn't count either........ :popcorn:
Not particularly proud of that, movin' right along...

Next week's add in the for-sale section: Slightly used GJ front bumper for sale, cheap!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2018, 04:53:04 PM
OK, so my garage is a tiny 3 car as I've stated before. So working on Baylee's xj apparently I had a tool drawer on my cabinet open or I didn't get it closed all the way. So went to drive the jk and my mirror hooked the drawer and did this as it was frigid that day. Btw the 25 year old craftsman tool chest didn't get a scratch......

(https://i.imgur.com/4mkwYRY.jpg)

So I said screw it I never use that mirror anyhow and bought a pair of these delete mirror pucks (yes they were less than buying a replacement mirror). So 5 minutes of wrenching and here we are.

(https://i.imgur.com/kOGI0Zo.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bx26fFD.jpg)

Honestly, I like how clean it looks and am considering removing the drivers side one even though I use that mirror often. So what do you all think? Leave it or remove it?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2018, 04:59:39 PM
On another note, even after dropping $1500 in parts in the last two weeks on Baylee's Just Empty Every Pocket xj I am making progress on parts acquisition for the axle swap in the JK.

The superduty knuckles sat in a box waiting to head to weaver fab for the last two weeks. I had sent them a request for info via their website and apparently that process has been giving them issues. Since I was tired of looking at the box I broke down & called them this AM (they were very apologetic by the way) so I got that squared away and the cores sent in to them to be machined along with their high steers arm kit added to both knuckles. I spoke with Tate and will be buying spicer ball joints from him once I get my complete list together of axle parts needed.

I am at the moment still figuring out parts and pieces for the axle build. The Artec box showed up with the front truss but I have yet to unpackage it and I have a set of off road fenders headed this way as we speak from Summit. I ordered a magnetic base and dial indicator from them as well since it appears my old setup grew legs or I lost it in the move to CO.

 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 06, 2018, 06:48:01 PM
Shawn, don't you need the side mirror to drive legal on public roads in Co.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on February 06, 2018, 06:57:17 PM
I was going to ask the same question as Bob. in WA you need at least two rear facing. And I like them for watching the rear tire without sticking my face out the window in the oncoming path of mud and debris
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on February 06, 2018, 07:04:10 PM

I was going to ask the same question as Bob. in WA you need at least two rear facing. And I like them for watching the rear tire without sticking my face out the window in the oncoming path of mud and debris


Hi Tate, how is the weather up there, Ken's state can not be beat, during the winter that is....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2018, 07:37:18 PM
Good question, I don?t know honestly but I?ve never been pulled over with the doors off for such a thing. I like my drivers side mirror (& use it) so it will be staying but the passenger side one will be left off. I do live in hippyville so I should be ok.

Edit: ok hippyland (aka Colorado) states if I have an unobstructed view 200 ft behind me the inside rear view mirror is all I need. If that view is obstructed then I need two external rear view mirrors, one on each side. So in reality you can legally pull doors and mirror off Jeep & as long as you?re not pulling a trailer that obstructs the rear view or say the cargo area is not packed full then you?re still legal.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on February 07, 2018, 12:15:49 AM
Nice to have for security reasons as well. You always know if someone's approaching from behind.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on February 07, 2018, 12:39:25 AM
I think it was just mad you parked in the garage. I mean its a jeep right?

Out here, you need to have 2 unobstructed rear view mirrors. So if you have a spare tire or anything in the back (like stickers) it could be an issue.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on February 07, 2018, 08:32:55 AM
A new line of "Garage Armour"  it's a Jeep thing....=P
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 07, 2018, 09:19:13 AM
A new line of "Garage Armour"  it's a Jeep thing....=P

Or a lack there of garage armor......... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on February 07, 2018, 06:09:01 PM
no symmetry...  Lose the driver side or put the passenger side back on the jeep.  Trying to red neck this thing up or what?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 07, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
no symmetry...  Lose the driver side or put the passenger side back on the jeep.  Trying to red neck this thing up or what?

What?s with the 3 syllable words? I didn?t realize those existed in Texas country speak? :popcorn:

Btw, the swampers are gunna Redneck it up regardless......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Armalite on February 21, 2018, 09:31:03 PM
Yeah, but those mirrors though....  Got to fix that.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 21, 2018, 10:14:13 PM
Yeah, but those mirrors though....  Got to fix that.

Well, I use my drivers side backing into parking spaces etc. I have been considering taking off the drivers side unit. However, if I do so then I am going to mount a smaller one to the drivers side handle on the hoop that goes up and over the front windshield. It will still allow me to have a side mirror but will be clean & symmetrical to satisfy you wordy Texans.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on February 22, 2018, 01:23:42 AM
All states require a drivers side mirror at least.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 22, 2018, 05:16:25 PM
All states require a drivers side mirror at least.

You sure about this JR? Research I did states Colorado does not. If you do not then you need full unobstructed view of the rear via your rear view mirror which I have.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: OldKooT on February 23, 2018, 10:05:16 AM
Sill not done?    :grin:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 23, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
Sill not done?    :grin:

Waiting on my wheels......

Assume that is still not completed either along with that tooth? :tongue:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on February 23, 2018, 12:45:14 PM
All states require a drivers side mirror at least.

You sure about this JR? Research I did states Colorado does not. If you do not then you need full unobstructed view of the rear via your rear view mirror which I have.

Yep, I read the code. True you must have at least 1 mirror with unobstructed view.

That means no rear tint, nothing in the rear window, no rear passengers no spare tire or blocking cargo in back.

What wheels??
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 23, 2018, 12:57:15 PM
All states require a drivers side mirror at least.

You sure about this JR? Research I did states Colorado does not. If you do not then you need full unobstructed view of the rear via your rear view mirror which I have.

Yep, I read the code. True you must have at least 1 mirror with unobstructed view.

That means no rear tint, nothing in the rear window, no rear passengers no spare tire or blocking cargo in back.

What wheels??

Sounds like a ?whole lot? of interpretation.

As far as wheels, that?s top secret. :lipsrsealed: Norm is working on something & depending how it turns out I may go that direction.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on February 23, 2018, 06:13:10 PM
Are you getting the beadlocks!
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on February 23, 2018, 06:38:24 PM
Are you getting the beadlocks!

 :huh: interesting thought I must admit.....
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 12, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
So I've been busy on some other projects, mainly an xj which needs the thread updated. If I can get 5 seconds of Baylee that will happen shortly but no promises as she is on the go like no other. Now, I have been collecting some more parts which I'll add pics for shortly.

Short list of items I've picked up recently

-high clearance steel fenders for all 4 corners

-CB accessories

-front 60 machined knuckles from weaver with high steer

-artec front truss mod kit for that superduty 60

-I also have in my possession some machined 52 count tone rings for those 60 front unit bearings

-Then last but not least (definitely the most money lately) all the final parts for the rear axle build (center chunk) due in this Weds which I'll add details about at that time and yes Tate came through again with Randy's as always  :likebutton:

I made mention of a potential wheel upgrade but haven't heard anymore on that front so not sure there really? Time will tell I suppose.....

I will say that discussing those other wheels made me do some more research and think outside of my box a bit. The rear currie axle measures 66" and that front superduty 60 measures right at or just under 69". So having the rear axle a little narrower never hurt. The wheels I am interested in are 8 on 6.5 pattern and prior to this I was planning on running 5 on 5.5 which the rear axle is machined for and when having the unit bearings bored out for 35 spline axles I was thinking of machining them down to the 5 on 5.5 pattern as well. So after some more research I think what I will be doing is modding the front unit bearing from the ford metric 8 pattern to the 8 on 6.5 and running a 1.375 thick adapter on the rear from the stock 5 on 5 to the 8 on 6.5 This will allow me to run the stock upgraded vented brake system I already have for the rear which the currie axle accepts and uses the stock wheel speed sensors and parking brake. Then this will also allow me to just redrill the front stock ford rotors for the 8 on 6.5 pattern and use the superduty stock 1 ton brake setup. Prior to all of this I was going to have to redrill the rear rotors for 5 on 5.5 and then figure out a rotor and caliper setup to run on those front 60 knuckles. This seems a bit easier and a little less work. Reality is that it may cost me a bit less too as I already have the stock calipers and rotors for the 60 front. I think off the shelf parts are always good or staying as close to off the shelf as you can is a better idea than full custom. Drilling some rotors isn't too difficult if in a pinch and rotors are pretty tough to break anyhow.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 14, 2018, 05:20:41 PM
With the last of the 9" parts due in today I figured the front 60 needed some love. So here we start the day, essentially what needs to happen is that 2" of the casting drivers side where the tube presses in needs to be removed along with the spring perch and track bar bracket on the passengers side. This will make room for the Artec truss system to be installed.

(https://i.imgur.com/IBlkZMl.jpg)

Here I have removed all the unnecessary brackets and section of casting

(https://i.imgur.com/i26iEfP.jpg)

So at this point I decided to refresh on their install instructions. They call for buying three pipe fitting parts from McMaster to reroute the vent tube back pinion side and out under the truss. I also needed a couple dust masks to keep this cold I have protected from all the nasty fiberglass I was getting ready to put off into the atmosphere. SO I ran to the local hardware and decided this should do for now. I will say I am glad I didn't spend the money on the McMaster parts as they would have taken more fabricating to make work then what I eventually did anyhow. So with a little massaging I installed this 90 fitting and pipe nipple.

(https://i.imgur.com/OUGbk9f.jpg)

Next I went to test fit the main truss, it's hard to see but on the drivers side tube the truss is pushed pinion side about 3/4 of an inch and is being held up a good 1/2 inch.

 (https://i.imgur.com/EmDohPg.jpg)

 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 14, 2018, 05:28:15 PM
So now we have two problems, first the 90 degree fitting and pipe nipple do not have enough room to be there if we get the truss where it should be. I think this part of the design needs reworked and it's a simple fix of adding a hole. The other is that for whatever reason the truss pattern contacts a gusset cast into the housing hard. I removed a 1 inch square piece of material that should not be there at least for my housing.

(https://i.imgur.com/iQKG2jt.jpg)

where it contacts the gusset in the housing

(https://i.imgur.com/3dSHxzB.jpg)

removing that 1 inch square

(https://i.imgur.com/Y8ZHnIM.jpg)

truss pulled off and flipped upside down you can see the notch I created to add clearance

(https://i.imgur.com/7laq9gJ.jpg)

in this pic I also removed the new vent and you can see it fits snug down on the drivers side axle tube

(https://i.imgur.com/xRf59Wm.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 14, 2018, 05:32:59 PM
Rather than reinventing the wheel, I think drilling a hole and adding a length of pipe nipple into the original casting is the answer. So here we do just that and some precision measuring and marking with a silver pencil.... I think they call that KY windage........ :wink:

(https://i.imgur.com/2J1jU3d.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/84urEni.jpg)

that will work

(https://i.imgur.com/0QPJxrJ.jpg)

upgrade complete, 1 inch diameter hole is all that is needed and a pipe nipple

(https://i.imgur.com/lqdKLLu.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 14, 2018, 05:37:34 PM
After test fitting the truss one last time I mark up the housing where we will need bare steel to weld and grind it all clean

(https://i.imgur.com/zARm7xO.jpg)

Then I threw it on the bench where I will start rigging up the welding fixture. I have a bar and pucks but they are for 9 inch axles and do not have the correct setup for a 60 front to keep it from warping when welding. So this 900 lb table with a 3/4" thick top should suffice. My plan is to level the axle as I build the temporary fixture as my floor is anything but in this garage.

(https://i.imgur.com/CwxYWOl.jpg)

bench finally got a little more organized too......
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 14, 2018, 05:47:51 PM
Next on the list is to buy an air needle scaler, I'm going to mig weld the truss to the cast housing and this will help alleviate stresses as the housing cools. I also need to drag the torches from storage along with my rose bud and get them ready. I previously purchased a 400 temp pen to use for preheating the cast prior to welding to keep shock to a minimum and hopefully keep the welds from cracking during the process. Once the welding fixture is complete I can then heat this pig (pun intended) up and then move on to new gears and a Detroit I have on hand.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: nmeyer414 on March 14, 2018, 06:17:52 PM
interesting.

at least we get pics on this thread.....lol
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 14, 2018, 06:55:10 PM
interesting.

at least we get pics on this thread.....lol

Speaking of pictures, I?ll post some more of all the super cool parts I received from Tate today (probably tomorrow sometime).
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 14, 2018, 07:15:53 PM
Way cool......so, an air needle scaler is basically, an air powered punch that pecks away at the fresh weld?  I remember my dad manually hammering cast iron as/after he was welding it and the whole pre-heat/post heating.  Also think he had some special rod for the stick welder just for cast.  How do you afix it to the table, clamps?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 14, 2018, 07:34:26 PM
Looks like you?ve done this before.  It looks, to the untrained eye, that they had you remove more of the housing on the short side than you really needed to?


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 14, 2018, 07:54:06 PM
Way cool......so, an air needle scaler is basically, an air powered punch that pecks away at the fresh weld?  I remember my dad manually hammering cast iron as/after he was welding it and the whole pre-heat/post heating.  Also think he had some special rod for the stick welder just for cast.  How do you afix it to the table, clamps?

Think of it as more of a steel massaging tool than a punch. I'm no wizard at welding cast, normally knuckles and center sections are made of a ductile cast steel and it accepts welding better than some cheaper versions of cast. My opinion is if you want the best way to weld cast then arc welding is the best and they make some rods specially for it as you mentioned. These rods I think have some flex or give to them once welded that lends itself to welding a different steel to the cast steel. The idea of the air needler is to massage the weld during the cool down phase as the materials cool and contract at different rates. As far as the table, not sure exactly yet. Most likely I will cut some tube or angle and weld up some cradles for the axle to lay in. I may also make a mount to bolt the inner c on the bottom on each side to keep them solid and maybe even a couple mounts into the housing via the cover bolts. The idea being we want the axle to be rigid and not be able to move until it is completely cooled, this will keep it fairly straight. It's also worth noting it is a front axle and you have a little more lead way I think than a rear. I'm sure there are guys with more experience with cast and welding axle assemblies than I so if I'm mistaken on anything please feel free to correct me.

Looks like you?ve done this before.  It looks, to the untrained eye, that they had you remove more of the housing on the short side than you really needed to?


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I've swapped axles and welded on them, recall I'm on the cheap side (actually this is the most I have ever spent on an axle for an original build) so being cheap I make my own stuff or cobble it together normally. See the below link, it's missing a few brackets at this point that fit in there.

http://www.artecindustries.com/JK_SD_60_1T_Swap
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on March 15, 2018, 12:33:38 AM
Never welded to cast. Do you use SS wire as I have heard?

Sure my D60 on the Sub will benifite from a truss with that 1000lb above it.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 15, 2018, 12:42:13 AM
Never welded to cast. Do you use SS wire as I have heard?

Sure my D60 on the Sub will benifite from a truss with that 1000lb above it.

Nope, I will be using a good Lincoln wire for steel as always. I?ve actually never heard to use stainless, last time I welded up some ford 60 knuckles I had it and the gas for the stainless wire available & did not. I do think I have a spec on a different wire somewhere though, I?ll check but don?t think it is a stainless wire.

As far as a truss the only reason I would run one is if you need mounts for suspension (links etc), plenty of 60?s running around under a Cummins or two built without issue. Possibly weld the tubes to the housing maybe but not even sure that is needed as you don?t hear them turning in the housing like the corporate 14 bolts tend to do. What I?m saying is I think if you want to spend the coin there are weaker spots I would focus on before adding a truss. Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on March 15, 2018, 01:03:15 AM
Thinking about clearance on top too, tends to be snug up there. Maybe just a good ol bar truss across the bottom. Loose a little clearance is all.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 15, 2018, 04:09:11 PM
Ok, so as promised here are a few teasers of the recent shipment in from Randy's Ring and Pinion courtesy of our own Tate. My plan tentatively is to finish the Currie rear JK 9" housing and install it. Then while I still have the ability to move it around via the front axle is to have a new rear driveshaft built. Then install it and pull the front driveshaft and run the deep new gearset on the current 33" tires for awhile. Since currently the jeep is really only a four speed as I rarely see highway with it the deep gear set will be ok and I'll just use the fifth and sixth gear more for awhile as I finish up the front end and install that axle then larger tires and wheels.

I do have a 9 axle from my old EB however the chunk was a stocker nodular unit with bearing bores too small for the 35 spline axle shafts in this currie 9 so first on the list was a new center chunk with larger bearing bores to accommodate those axles. Unit looks to be rather beefy I might add.

(https://i.imgur.com/7XqTj2p.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kgH9jeq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/l0dhL73.jpg)

Then a new carrier, Tate makes some wild claims about this Grizzly locker (monster truck pictures he sends claiming it is running this unit  :rolleyes: ) but regardless this little peanut carrier has one heck of a warranty standing behind it so I guess we will try it out.  :wink:

(https://i.imgur.com/fVqAsMT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hkscu79.jpg)

add in fresh a set of 5.43 Yukon gears and we should be in business

(https://i.imgur.com/t8txj3q.jpg)

and to top it off with a master install kit American made Timken bearings tightly wrapped in Yukon packaging

(https://i.imgur.com/wE5Z4in.jpg)

Thanks again, Tate!  :beercheers:

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 15, 2018, 04:15:15 PM
I also ordered up the new air needle scaler, after visiting a couple local stores I decided to just buy a good IR unit (my 1/2 impact and 3/8 butterfly impact are a almost 20 years old and still perform great) but I will warn you it is a pandoras box as you I wanted a pistol version and they have you start out with an air hammer version. Then you add the air needle attachment and then all the tools available for the air hammer and by the time you are done your wallet is a couple hundred lighter....... :facepalm:

So by the time the air needle attachment shows up it will be end of next week. In the meantime I am planning on fixturing up the 60 housing to weld and assemble this currie 9.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on March 16, 2018, 10:22:26 AM
I use it to clean the area for welding on hard to reach places, works great even for a HF unit.

I want to see the welding so I can beef up the 60 front and 14bt just a tad.

5:43 gears, a real crawler.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on March 16, 2018, 10:51:01 AM
5:43s....yikes!! ...all it needs to match is some flat fenders and a 45mph speedo!  :beercheers:


Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 16, 2018, 10:58:54 AM
With 40s it won?t be that bad,,,,,maybe a 55 mph Speedo


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on March 16, 2018, 11:03:18 AM
Looking good there sir ;-) If you ever want to have a nice long Norm-esque conversation with the monster truck driver I can provide you with his number and he'll tell you ALLLLLL about it, lol. I'm a firm believer and living proof that "you can break anything if you try hard enough" and believe me, he tries REAL hard, almost as hard as Chief with a new farm implement, but since 2010 he's only on his 8th unit and he runs them front and rear. Detroit dropped him as a sponsor because he was breaking up to 10 per year of their locker! Now that I've said this I'm sure you'll break it on your first outing so apologies in advance for jinxing you.  :beercheers:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 16, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
Thanks Tate, at least I know who?s name to be cussing when it breaks on that first run!

As far as gear ratio the front 60 will be 5.38, Tate and I discussed this ratio at length. Maybe he?ll post up that chart and explain (actually I think he did post it way earlier in this build, I?ll try to find it). So my specs were a 37-40 inch tire, my motor I have now likes rpms (now that I sealed up this couple spots that were seeping from the back of valve covers) and I have a manual 6 speed. Definitely the gearing will help on the trails and with that large of tire I think 70mph is a safe top speed on highway. Tate with his vast knowledge & he?s provided parts for a lot of jk builds thought this was the way to go. Who am I to argue with that?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 17, 2018, 02:36:53 PM
So after moving this rigid light bar box around three dozens times I figured today was as good as any to install it. I got as far as getting it mounted and realized the Hella relay block doesn't work with the hella relays I purchased.   :facepalm: Quite honestly I'm not sure what relays this block is supposed to use as the actual hella relays are identical to any other automotive relay I have ever bought. So wiring will be put off until I find a nice 3 or 4 spot relay block holder with pigtails. If anyone has a good link to one let me know. Oh and just for Ashley, we now have symmetry! Can't have him with his panties all in a bunch when he visits this summer..... :wink:

(https://i.imgur.com/XR5foU7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/c2zbvFJ.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 17, 2018, 06:12:37 PM
Like this?
https://m.delcity.net/store/Relay-&-Socket-Harness-Kit/p_72563.h_72767

I usually get my stuff from Del city


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 17, 2018, 06:23:59 PM
Like this?
https://m.delcity.net/store/Relay-&-Socket-Harness-Kit/p_72563.h_72767

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Kind of, hoping for either a block to stick relays in or a plug that already has a mount built in. The ones with the mount built into the relay don?t help me much as I already now own twice as many bare relays as I actually need thinking that hella relay block was going to work out.

Edit: for the record I can find the bare relay block holders on eBay I?m just too lazy to buy them as I have to wire up the pigtails, so may have to go that route if I can?t find a cheap alternative with pigtails. Apparently after further research I bought a hella micro relay box (didn?t realize there was such a thing as a micro relay) & regular sized auto relays are what I had in stock.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on March 17, 2018, 08:27:30 PM
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-890019-7/overview/
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 17, 2018, 08:31:26 PM
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-890019-7/overview/

Thanks JR, I just broke down and bought the hella 4 place mini relay box from them that I thought I was buying the first go around when I ordered the micro. Guess I?ll donate the micro to the xj at some point.... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 20, 2018, 09:53:11 PM
Been busy with other jobs, hoping to get more time on jeep tomorrow (want to get started on dual battery setup).

I had the bandsaw out today running a couple cutting jobs & managed to get the mounts cut for holding the axle in place to weld truss on. I need to drill several holes and I?ll add pics and detail what I?m doing in that regards hopefully tomorrow.

Several items for various upgrades should arrive by Friday. Hoping to square away wiring the relay box, set of A pillar switches, light bar and dual battery setup sometime at latest next week. Goal is also to get truss completed by end of next week as well. Oh & taxes too! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Mrwoody on March 21, 2018, 01:27:35 AM
The retrofit source has the Morimoto relays for light bars. All of the stuff they sell is first class. A bit pricey but works good.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 21, 2018, 09:01:01 AM
The retrofit source has the Morimoto relays for light bars. All of the stuff they sell is first class. A bit pricey but works good.

Good info, I think I?m set for now as I ordered the right hella relay block (not inexpensive either) but needed a solution & should come in by Friday.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2018, 12:59:35 PM
X2 on the Morimoto stuff
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 27, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
 So I was able to squeeze a little more in today on that front axle. Between going cross-eyed staring at bank statements for taxes and machining parts I finished fabrication of all the mounts from scrap steel I had laying around and was able to get the axle secured to the table via five mounting points. It is level as if it were still hanging under the front of that 1 ton ford. This gives me a baseline when welding the truss onto the housing. Being that the JK only has a 3-4" lift the stock pinion angle for the ford should be a good starting place. The mounts I built are pretty strong but the reality is that I will still take all the precautions to keep the housing from warping. Once it is completely welded I will wait until it is completely cooled before removing from the table mounts.   

(https://i.imgur.com/xSjrMu1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Z4Ne8fj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xfCw6O4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/78GwJYQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GStX7H8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/62UDRWh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iMQ6dLJ.jpg)

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 27, 2018, 06:30:00 PM
Will skip welds help prevent warping too?


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: KensAuto on March 27, 2018, 06:32:45 PM
Yes Charles, if he skips the welding step, it should stay straight.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 27, 2018, 06:56:20 PM
Yes Charles, if he skips the welding step, it should stay straight.  :popcorn:

Never mind the children jeering from the cheap seats......

So heat is the biggest issue, too much over too great of an area will be a problem. So taking my time when welding to the tubes and working back and forth. I plan on getting the truss tacked in place on tubes and then working on the center section. Once the cast is welded in good on the inside then go work on tubes. The truss is fairly rigid so that should help keep things straight if done in the proper order.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 29, 2018, 04:57:40 PM
OK, so today I installed a set of these

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0762JL7WQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I didn't take any pictures of the install as it's pretty basic, unbolt old units and bolt in new. The brand is Anzio and they take a month plus to receive so I'm thinking china but they had great reviews and price was right. They came packaged very well and had nice instructions which I never read but for those who may be challenged they are there and of good quality. Machining looks solid and they are stainless and I believe aluminum construction.

The problem is the original Jeep parts allow what they call "hood flutter" yeah here I thought that was what happened every time H tripped? Who knew? So anyhow the hood will move up and down a bit at high speeds on the freeway. It's annoying but really doesn't hurt anything if you don't change them out. It's been on my list of things to upgrade so I pulled the trigger. I'm quite happy with the product. The pins have a push button release and are tethered so you can't lose anything and doing it one handed is possible.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 30, 2018, 04:41:41 AM
Well since you brought it up

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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on March 30, 2018, 09:06:15 AM
Well since you brought it up

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Careful, Ken lurks around here & he might get offended.  :popcorn:

Darn it, and I was doing so good mentioning H & not referencing Ken too!  :tongue:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on March 30, 2018, 03:30:31 PM
And for those who wish to see it as it happened;

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2018/03/13/311413424283272711/640x360_MP4_311413424283272711.mp4

Now she is sporting this arm cast;

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/30/00/4AAD600600000578-5560731-image-m-24_1522366538342.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 04, 2018, 04:11:15 PM
OK, so this sitting here and no action in my way on my bench was starting to annoy me. So today I clamped the truss in place and leveled up the passengers side only. You start on this side and get the 4 pieces underneath in place first.

(https://i.imgur.com/vZl8cOX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BzJ22sn.jpg)

Then I tacked all of it on the outside first both sides.

(https://i.imgur.com/4MUJ2AT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bmaETTV.jpg)

The housing was next, no preheat or special precautions (it's a tack if it breaks or cracks tack it again which I did in one spot).

(https://i.imgur.com/wE97nMm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Lrg6Fyo.jpg)

So I let that cool for ten minutes and referenced the instructions. I then located the tab and bracket that get slipped under the top piece on drivers side. Note I did not weld the top piece in place at this point it is merely for keeping things aligned.

Now we have a problem, apparently this gusset on the pinion side of the housing needs clearance to allow a bracket to slip into place.

(https://i.imgur.com/iISdDIx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/LG6m86U.jpg)

For reference I marked the casting gusset with a chalk stick

(https://i.imgur.com/PYNsh9v.jpg)

I then started by drilling a roughly 3/8" hole in the back corner. I try to drill holes in the corners whenever possible. Reason being it is harder for a crack to start in a rounded corner versus a 90 degree straight inside corner.

(https://i.imgur.com/9c3ATVs.jpg)

I cleaned it up with a cutoff wheel to each side of the hole in a 90 degree fashion (sorry forgot to grab pic of it)

So here is the bracket now clearance and fitting

(https://i.imgur.com/SPUxqs6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Hk0VGpl.jpg)

Bracket and tab in under the top plate drivers side.

(https://i.imgur.com/lAzwsOz.jpg)

For being some KY windage I sure did drill that vent hole in the right spot  :likebutton: doesn't get much better than that......

(https://i.imgur.com/1L7QO8A.jpg)

Then I had to clean up to go to an 8th grade track meet, Shelby my middle daughter is neck and neck with another girl for fastest 100M sprinter. She came home the other night after beating her at practice and claims "I'm the fastest girl in school!" To which my reply went so was your aunt............ :rolleyes:  different subject though!  :tongue:
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 04, 2018, 04:18:59 PM
I did run into a slight issue, the inside between the two pieces that run lengthwise down the axle doesn't give me much room to fit my large welding nozzle in there. If I had a better option (well less expensive and quick) I would use a stick welder. My welder can convert & do it but I don't want to screw around with setting it up and I'm sure I would have to spend some money on something to do so. I'll manage with getting my big gun in there (yeah my gun is too big, what she told me anyhow!  :facepalm: ). The reality is it doesn't need a lot of weld on the inside and the outside will get a bit more now. In the end it will be ok but a welding rod in there would be the easiest and in long run best option if anyone is looking at doing this modification in the future.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 04, 2018, 04:46:58 PM
(yeah my gun is too big, said no woman ever!  :facepalm: ).
FIFY


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Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on April 06, 2018, 02:03:42 AM
Sean, it always fits,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 10, 2018, 11:53:45 PM
Not a whole lot to report, new parts keep arriving. I worked on wifes lexus last weekend so it ended up being a wash for the JK. I have welded some on the truss, basically 1" welds in several spots then let it cool on the passengers side tube. Have yet to weld the housing, maybe in next day or two depending on how things work out. So far I haven't heated anything up enough for stuff to move and top plate keeps dropping back in place after welds so all is going good and slow.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 11, 2018, 12:39:19 PM
I spent an hour this morning welding the cast section of the housing. I welded on the two vertical uprights that go almost from C to C. At this point I have about 1/3 of these 4 bottom components welded to the passengers side tube. The idea is if it moves now it shouldn't move much. I also have it tacked solid to the housing in several places.

Unlike the tube welding we are going to get that center section warmed up and slowly let it cool over the next day. They claim 24 hours on the instructions for cooling but they're silly honestly. That center section will be room temperature in half that time and that is with me pre heating and post heating every weld and then letting it sit under a welding blanket. That includes going  back and post heating that housing and welds one last time after twenty minutes of sitting. Really I wanted to check the welds one last time before I left it for a few hours.

OK, so here we start. I had prepped the housing with a flap disc and since the needle scaler was new I wanted to see it work so I used it on all the spots that were to be welded prior to doing so. If roughs the steel up a bit and I thought that seemed like a good idea for the welds. Here you can see my two fingers and the top is a before what it looked like and the bottom finger is an after needle scale session.

(https://i.imgur.com/dtDcEj3.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 11, 2018, 12:42:21 PM
a closer view of the needle scale prep and fit of the truss, I will say that fit is somewhat loose in places.

(https://i.imgur.com/JGiLqsj.jpg)

Here is a temp stick, pretty simple rub it on and heat it up until the marks turn to liquid. I suggest putting it away from direct flame to get an accurate read of the steel. After thought a thermal gun would work as well, guess my age is showing there....

(https://i.imgur.com/3jPjsE0.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 11, 2018, 12:49:56 PM
That housing took me roughly an hour to weld up. I set my welder for 1/4" to 1/2" steel plate settings, the heat from the gun was a little much I think but I never reset it while I welded it. The weld snapped and popped some, if I had used less heat it may not have puddled up so fast. I know I have good penetration and that was my main focus. A couple welds on the inside are less than desirable as I couldn't get my gun in very close and the angle was off considerably. So I ran over both of those welds a second time.

The process goes like this, prep the steel well. Mark with temp stick, pre heat with torch rose bud. Weld two or three 1.5-2 inch long passes. Then needle scale those welds immediately after welding them. Finally post heat the welds you just made and preheat the next weld areas. As I progressed I kept post heating all of the welds. When I was done I covered it with a welding blanket and took a 20 min break then went back and did one final weld inspection and complete post heat then covered up and left for the day.

Here is a quick pic I snapped of the welds before covering it up.

(https://i.imgur.com/BiVPKzM.jpg)

Here it is for the few hour cool down

(https://i.imgur.com/m9n9ysG.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 11, 2018, 12:52:20 PM
For the record that housing welds like crap, is what it is and I'm glad that is done. I also checked the fit of the top plate several times as I welded. It still fits but needed a little persuasion by my 5# hammer to get it back on at the end.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 11, 2018, 08:37:11 PM
Nice work Shawn - you say you did the housing with a wire feed and not a stick?  Any special wire for cast iron then?
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 11, 2018, 09:06:50 PM
Nice work Shawn - you say you did the housing with a wire feed and not a stick?  Any special wire for cast iron then?

I did mig it, I run Lincoln wire exclusively. Years ago we had a job making hydraulic tanks from customer supplied drops of 4x6 1/4 wall tube. We were running whatever Chinese cheap wire we could get by the pallet. It welded nice & we would go to air test the welds & pin hole air leaks would suddenly pop up. Lincoln wire never did that so I pay for good wire. There is no special wire to my knowledge for cast. I always run 95-5 gas mixture which welds on the hot side which is worth noting.

If you arc weld it you should run a nickel content rod for best results. After about 6 hours I checked it and I'd say it was 95% cooled off. I decided rather than mess with it to just leave it overnight. Planning on finishing it up in the morning.

Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on April 11, 2018, 11:53:19 PM
Interesting, I have seen guys put heaters on them overnight to slow the cooling.

I want to fab some simple trusses for the burb. Any ideas for the 60 front and 14bt rear that don't break the bank?                                                                                                 
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2018, 08:35:30 AM
Interesting, I have seen guys put heaters on them overnight to slow the cooling.

I want to fab some simple trusses for the burb. Any ideas for the 60 front and 14bt rear that don't break the bank?                                                                                                 

Have a tube bender or access to one? JR, second thought, give me until the first of next month I might have another valid idea.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2018, 01:03:45 PM
First thing this morning I pulled the welding blanket off and checked for cracks to the welds on the housing. No issues there and I proceeded to weld to the passengers side tube finishing up the interior welds. I then took a break to let the housing cool once again and came back two hours later. I was able to convince that top plate to go back on without too much effort (yes the 5# hammer was used) as things were tight but still lined up close enough to fit back together. Once I had all the tabs from the lower portions at least started into the slots in the top I then proceeded to start clamping which resulted in this.

(https://i.imgur.com/JUmcD5w.jpg)

For the most part everything was able to snug up and the truss is still level side to side. One area I ran into was on top of the cast center section. There really is not good way to clamp that and the forming of the top piece was close however on the passengers side coming off the top of the casting I do have a solid 1/16 gap between the top plate and the vertical uprights that were already welded on yesterday. I think regardless I would have had a slight gap somewhere. Forming isn't perfect and it's as good as it gets which I think is good enough anyhow. Also on top of the housing it is now not level front to back. Being the cover side I was able to pull down slightly more than the pinion side. Again it's close enough and the two top mounts links have adjustment in them as well.

Here it is with the clamps removed and essentially plug welded at every tab. The two link mounts are underneath on the drivers side and tacked in place. I believe I will be welding to the cast housing one last time on the shock bracket pinion drivers side where I notched that gusset out. There is one spot that needs that bracket welded vertically to the original spring mount pad and that should be it for cast welding. At this point I let it cool and have meetings this afternoon to attend to.

(https://i.imgur.com/99H8JU7.jpg)
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: EL TATE on April 12, 2018, 02:54:01 PM
Lookin good there fella
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: JR on April 12, 2018, 04:32:53 PM
Solid looking. Bet this is not your first setup  :cool:

Yes, I have a bender. We'll talk more when I get back on Spartan.
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: stlaser on April 12, 2018, 05:12:07 PM
Thanks guys, first time I ever used a kit to do it.

Sounds good JR
Title: Re: 2008 Jeep Jk 4 Door
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 12, 2018, 06:25:05 PM
Not bad for a hippy. ;-)

Looks stout for sure. 


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