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Title: Hide/bugout site build thread Part 1
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:02:33 PM
Folks, I've wanted to do this to show the development of a bugout site/family fun spot/hunting cabin, or getting out with the boyz for a weekend of football and deer chili.

So here goes. We will start with a spot on the map and a parch of ground and take that all the way from dirt to something that could sustain you and your family while remaining completely off grid.

My site will have commercial electricity, but only for a time. At some point we will no longer need outside power or water or anything. We'll engineer the place so that mother nature and my family will labor to make it all work.

Here it is the day we started:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:06:25 PM
It is what is left of an old abandoned rural...very rural farm. It hasn't raised a single anything for some 35 years but was used as a deer hunting lease during the past few decades

The old farm house is no longer any good. The foundation in the basement is buckling, there is a large hole in the roof, raccoons have torn the inside to pieces and all the walls are rotted

It will be pushed in, and burned to the ground after I salvage the wood burning stove
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:07:27 PM
The shed beside it is not salvageable either. it will meet the match as well.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:13:40 PM
We used this past weekend as a training opportunity. The concept was to practice a bug-out from our homes and move to the site and occupl it. We wanted to test packing lists and start to work out bugs, and let me tell ya, there were plenty.

But this is realistic stuff here. When you move you won't be an elite special forces A-Team. You will be your very own family and possibly a tag along or two. So this exercise utilized the men folk of our respective clans.

At my home, I began on Thursday with a full field layout of everyone's bags displaying everything each of us was bringing. Additions and subtractions were made and we actually went shopping to pick up some more things we were lacking.

With all that done I packed up a cooler, water cans (Armee ones) weapons and camping gear. The assumption was that the house would not be inhabitable (and it's not) so we would have to establish a camp site and grow from there.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:19:04 PM
We brought two cots for Duane and I, and the boys used ground pads. The terrain had a slight grade and was grass covered. The views in all direction were great as we could see things from a distance.

The property has a spring fed pond, and a couple of perennial streams which were running this weekend. But those streams lie 300-400 vertical feet below the camp site so getting water was going to be a chore. (Note to self: Cistern is a high priority!)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:25:26 PM
We did a couple hours of chain saw work and spent some time weapons training (having fun) but also did all the campfire things (Smores, camp quoffee, scary stories, burning things up)

We spent some time scouting around and discovered such an abundance of timber. I have thousands of trees! That is going to figure into how the cabin will be built.

Yes the plan is to get some permanent structure planted and since no building permits are required where this site is, we can build anything we want!

The land is fairly primitive. The vehicles, a pretty stock Jeep with a lift kit and BFG AT's along with the big chevy with a locker and 4.45's didn't have a problem with any of the terrain we encoutered
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
I have two transformers on the property so I had the power company mount a security light at each one. For $10 a month, it's a deal!

The plan will be to occupy the site in stages. Right now, with a tent, we are at the very basic level and stage 1, which is "Jest git there!"

Stage 2 will be to drop some temporary storage shed in there near this pole, and dig in an underground supply line to a 150-200 amp service which will be placed inside the shed. I'll put external 115 VAC receptacles all over it so it will serve as a temporary shelter and power supply point to expand from.

Very likely, phase 3 will see me parking a portable camper in there to get even mo-better accommodations along with a 1000-2000 gallon plastic water tank.

Phase 2 and 3 will support the development of the property and the building of a small cabin along with permanent water, a bigger pond, a barn with all sorts of support equipment to include things like SquareD, Big Red, and "the green" (My J Deere tractor.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
There was some gun play, and the house got shot up some!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:36:12 PM
And this happened:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:40:47 PM
We practiced with a variety of guns. two 20 gage shotguns, one of my M4's, a cool Ruger single action .22 western style pistol, a .22 auto, and a .22 lever gun
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:44:44 PM
Saw this and cracked up

On the foot of my Armee 3-piece sleeping bag system was an "Emergency Exit" tag.

First of all, you really need a tag to tell you to get out the same end you got in?

Secondly, suppose you're haplessly caught in your sleeping bag and badly need to evac the thing...How are you going to read a tag on the bottom of your feet?

Really, if you need a tag to tell you how to get out of a sleeping bag, then do us all a favor and do not prepare for anything just take the fall gracefully and leave more food for the rest of us!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2015, 08:49:45 PM
I can report that this bag system worked well. It features a gortex, woodland cammo outer cover, followed by a black nylon middle medium bag and an OD green down inner bag. We experienced high 30's and kept the tent flap open to reduce moisture and I stayed warm all night. I did not like opening all those zippers for my 0200 trip outside to talk to a man about a horse, but I managed to fumble through it. The bag packs down small and is pretty light
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 12, 2015, 10:16:42 PM
Beautiful place. Hope to visit some time.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 13, 2015, 02:41:56 AM
I can report that this bag system worked well. It features a gortex, woodland cammo outer cover, followed by a black nylon middle medium bag and an OD green down inner bag. We experienced high 30's and kept the tent flap open to reduce moisture and I stayed warm all night. I did not like opening all those zippers for my 0200 trip outside to talk to a man about a horse, but I managed to fumble through it. The bag packs down small and is pretty light

The gortex cover, patrol bag (green one) and a woobie are all one needs to successfully and comfortably sleep in most conditions. The black one is nice when it drops below 30s. Those tags are for those 2LTs who don't yet trust themselves to not use an official manual to open a sleeping bag.

I do NOT recommend using just the gortex...when it rains and drops the temp real low. It also doesn't work when you end up sleeping in a puddle, however it is marginally better than nothing at all.

I do like that lay of that land. And did anyone else see the EXTREME angles that CMax was subjected to?!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 07:30:38 AM
Beautiful place. Hope to visit some time.

I'm considering having a "Real-Man" meet and greet weekend there some day, but sort of defeats the "hide" part of the site.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 07:38:23 AM
I can report that this bag system worked well. It features a gortex, woodland cammo outer cover, followed by a black nylon middle medium bag and an OD green down inner bag. We experienced high 30's and kept the tent flap open to reduce moisture and I stayed warm all night. I did not like opening all those zippers for my 0200 trip outside to talk to a man about a horse, but I managed to fumble through it. The bag packs down small and is pretty light

The gortex cover, patrol bag (green one) and a woobie are all one needs to successfully and comfortably sleep in most conditions. The black one is nice when it drops below 30s. Those tags are for those 2LTs who don't yet trust themselves to not use an official manual to open a sleeping bag.

I do NOT recommend using just the gortex...when it rains and drops the temp real low. It also doesn't work when you end up sleeping in a puddle, however it is marginally better than nothing at all.

I do like that lay of that land. And did anyone else see the EXTREME angles that CMax was subjected to?!

Seriously, C-Max does get stretched a lot down there, you can hear it in the creaking of the suspension. I found the most extreme exercise is approaching the driveway on an angle going uphill, dropping a wheel in the 2 foot deep two track, then continuing over the down side which scrapes the bottom of the truck while hanging a tire in the air.

Lay of the land comment: I know you see it with the same eyes as I do. As a grunt, you'd like a lot about the site I have selected. I am looking forward to having you do a walk about there and sharing your thoughts. Bottom line is it will be hard to sneak up on, and I am going to do a lot of unnecessary tree removal there to really open up my visibility in all directions. I will have a minimum of 100 meters open ground in all directions and be able to see 400-500 in several directions. The high speed avenue of approach is not high speed. Very channelized and restricted. Only one way in by vehicle, and that will be heard for some time as engines have to strain in places against the terrain. Just over the hill the drop-off is so steep that it is dangerous. Lots of natural cover (gulley's) to transit...you'd like it!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 13, 2015, 11:52:50 AM

Seriously, C-Max does get stretched a lot down there, you can hear it in the creaking of the suspension. I found the most extreme exercise is approaching the driveway on an angle going uphill, dropping a wheel in the 2 foot deep two track, then continuing over the down side which scrapes the bottom of the truck while hanging a tire in the air.

Lay of the land comment: I know you see it with the same eyes as I do. As a grunt, you'd like a lot about the site I have selected. I am looking forward to having you do a walk about there and sharing your thoughts. Bottom line is it will be hard to sneak up on, and I am going to do a lot of unnecessary tree removal there to really open up my visibility in all directions. I will have a minimum of 100 meters open ground in all directions and be able to see 400-500 in several directions. The high speed avenue of approach is not high speed. Very channelized and restricted. Only one way in by vehicle, and that will be heard for some time as engines have to strain in places against the terrain. Just over the hill the drop-off is so steep that it is dangerous. Lots of natural cover (gulley's) to transit...you'd like it!

I'll let you know when I'm travelling through the area, or actually next time I'm heading down South will be for 9 days, so I"ll be able to detour and visit.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on April 13, 2015, 01:28:02 PM
Got a regular Paul Bunyan over here! Looks like no-one had any fun at all either. Any ducks on that pond?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 02:38:00 PM
Got a regular Paul Bunyan over here! Looks like no-one had any fun at all either. Any ducks on that pond?

No ducks
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 13, 2015, 04:06:21 PM
Did a little camping myself this weekend with the boys, even got the truck dirty. Guns, fishing, archery and mild wheelin. We were just south of where the Rubicon starts, Ice House res.

Nice video Paul,,,,,,,,,,,,

I wish I still had my military bag, lost em in a garage fire. Yours must be from the "new army",,,,,,,,,,,

Bury a storage container, I plan on that being my first "structure". That shed looks OK with a steel roof though?

Looks like a great weekend and all had fun.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 13, 2015, 04:46:11 PM
I was going to ask too.... any thought to using storage containers as your structure? maybe one underground, 1-2 above? thinking mainly from a strength and fire-resistant perspective.

Maybe 2 side by side with an A-frame roof built... attic storage for water tanks etc? could gravity feed water to the dwelling w/o electricity, and then use generators to fill the tanks again from your water source when needed?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 13, 2015, 07:02:27 PM
The side by side is a great option you see alot. Build about anything between them.

Run some pvc up to the area and us a solar water pump to keep the tanks filled.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 08:16:55 PM
Man, seemed like I lived half my life in 20 and 40 foot vans. My last helo operation used 4-40 footers we converted into office and workshops to support the aircraft. Built a deck between then and a roof overhead to get out of the sun.

I don't like milvans or connexes, or trailers...nope, don't like em'

If you bury a steel container van the pressure of the dirt will cave the walls in. Not a lot of folks realize that, but especially when dirt gets wet, it easily overcomes the structural integrity of a steel van.

I might do some things underground...Not Everything that I may do will make it onto this thread. I believe in survival and security in successive plans and locations. The casa here is compromised, I move to site 1. That gets unsafe and I move to a second site. If that goes south, upload into a vehicle...have a second and a third along with food and weapons in yet, other areas. You always need a contingency plan.

Back to this show and tell thing I am going to build. The Water will get shed off a roof and run through a filter system into a cistern. I will electrically or manually pump the water out and filter it as needed. I will initially have 1000-2000 gallons on hand and as I expand operations, upgrade to a 10,000+ gallon cistern unit.

Here in the tucky a normal sized house given our rainfall will keep up with the water needs of a small family. That assumes you aren't showering all the time or washing clothes every day and so forth. In a survival mode or weekend getaway trip, we will always have enough, and don't think for one minute I won't have a hot and bubbly sitting on a deck overlooking the valley from our ridge line location!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 13, 2015, 09:32:57 PM
Don, one question.  You mentioned lights on the poles.  I struggled with that at my location.  The thought was that lights draw unnecessary attention either from the air or ground.  If you aren't there then there is no need to give un wanted guests light to work by.

Good call on the conex in the ground.  All the strength is at the corners.  Very little strength in the sides or top  By the time you reinforce, then you could have just formed concrete.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 13, 2015, 09:55:48 PM
Don, one question.  You mentioned lights on the poles.  I struggled with that at my location.  The thought was that lights draw unnecessary attention either from the air or ground.  If you aren't there then there is no need to give un wanted guests light to work by.

Good call on the conex in the ground.  All the strength is at the corners.  Very little strength in the sides or top  By the time you reinforce, then you could have just formed concrete.
Well, the lights are typical for farms in the area, so in my view, it fits with surrounding properties

Also, in the future I can have them turned off with a phone call, but until then it allows us to work into the evening hours if we want to.

I haven't thought about it more than that really, but if things fell apart, I would go to night vision systems and kill the lights
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 13, 2015, 10:49:15 PM
Nice ground from the few Picts shown- Bobby likes the high ground that looks flat but plenty of rolls.

Lots of cedar trees- great building materials for outdoor furniture and pretty smelling closets!  Oh how it sends flames to the heavens!

Don, I will give you some free Photoshop lessons- what you did to Duanes face is criminal, unless he actually looks like the Elephant Man!

Your mention of steep hillside might make a good build site, good over-look, could build into the hillside for insulation and protection or even hidden exit/tunnel.

Congrats on expansion and growth too!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 13, 2015, 10:51:07 PM
Now "I" live in the Southern Hemisphere!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 14, 2015, 02:43:08 AM
Don, I will give you some free Photoshop lessons- what you did to Duanes face is criminal, unless he actually looks like the Elephant Man!

I was going to say he almost gave him the Jack in the box (restaurant) character's face.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 14, 2015, 06:56:05 AM
Don,  You are probably as remote or more remote than my location.  As a result I had to have satellite internet installed to get connected.  I also invested in this system.  It is POE, meaning Power over Ethernet.  The cameras get their power through the Ethernet cord so it only requires one connection, the RJ 45 jack of the Ethernet cable.  They are 100ft range IR night vision and although they come with the 100 ft cables, I bought direct burial Cat 6 cable and ran my cameras away from the house to the trees facing the house as well as some other locations that give me view of the approach.  They have the ability to sense motion and send video or email to your phone and with the phone app you can log in at any time and remotely view the camera feeds live.  By mounting them on the tree and a little use of camo paint, they blend in well.  Of course with NV on it looks like it all painted with klieg lights from all the IR but I doubt most threats are going to come in with NV on.

http://www.costco.com/Q-See-16-Channel-HD-NVR-Security-System-with-3TB-HDD-and-9-3MP-HD-IP-Cameras.product.100123665.html
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 14, 2015, 07:52:16 AM
Don, I will give you some free Photoshop lessons- what you did to Duanes face is criminal, unless he actually looks like the Elephant Man!

I was going to say he almost gave him the Jack in the box (restaurant) character's face.
I was just trying to improve on the man's looks, if ya know what I'm sayin'
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 14, 2015, 08:18:33 AM
Don,  You are probably as remote or more remote than my location.  As a result I had to have satellite internet installed to get connected.  I also invested in this system.  It is POE, meaning Power over Ethernet.  The cameras get their power through the Ethernet cord so it only requires one connection, the RJ 45 jack of the Ethernet cable.  They are 100ft range IR night vision and although they come with the 100 ft cables, I bought direct burial Cat 6 cable and ran my cameras away from the house to the trees facing the house as well as some other locations that give me view of the approach.  They have the ability to sense motion and send video or email to your phone and with the phone app you can log in at any time and remotely view the camera feeds live.  By mounting them on the tree and a little use of camo paint, they blend in well.  Of course with NV on it looks like it all painted with klieg lights from all the IR but I doubt most threats are going to come in with NV on.

http://www.costco.com/Q-See-16-Channel-HD-NVR-Security-System-with-3TB-HDD-and-9-3MP-HD-IP-Cameras.product.100123665.html
I Like it!

There will be something like this from early on...

But here's a thought and something I learned

My aviation unit in the regular armee, not special ops, would set up operations in fields with woods adjacent. The open areas obviously needed for slinging rotor blades and the woods for cover of our various tents and things.

We would man a perimeter with soldiers and they would be connected to somewhere via a hard wire land line and phone or a radio of some type. The perimeter was pretty vast when you think of the space needed for 15 Chinooks with takeoff and landing areas and so forth. So often an infantry company, guys like Blaine and Bobby would get tagged with guarding the aircraft.

Well to my knowledge just about every training exercise I was ever on, some "Enemy" infantry insurgent types would sneak in and waste a few of our valuable aircraft. No matter what we did, even GSR (Ground surveillance radar) and barbed wire, and lights, and night vision and prayers prayed over the mess sergeants SOS and bacon. Nossir, we never got away without some Bobby lookin knuckle-dragger comin' in and messin with our beauty sleep and hot tub operations!

Sorry Bobby, but really, getting called a knuckle dragger by an aviator is really just a badge of honor in your world, true?

Anyway to continue with my quoffee fueled lesson for my Texas red neck friend.

Sometimes I would stay over at a tactical Air Force tactical strip, which was much like what we Armee folks lived on, but run by the Air Force. In my more hush-hush days, I co-habituated quite a bit with my A/F friends (by personal choice and preference). One big difference was that their bases were secure. Except for mortars and the like, we were never hit there. No "Allah-Akbar" sceamin' followed by a big bang and a lot of dust...nothing like that. Just routine hot tub operations like it should be in combat. Well, an Aviator's version of combat...

You know what the big difference was between the Armee and the Air Force?

Dogs

The A/F secured their locations with roving dog patrols.

I learned from that...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 14, 2015, 09:42:25 AM
Bobby likes the high ground that looks flat but plenty of rolls.

Yes and no.


I Like it!

1. So often an infantry company, guys like Blaine and Bobby would get tagged with guarding the aircraft.

2. Well to my knowledge just about every training exercise I was ever on, some "Enemy" infantry insurgent types would sneak in and waste a few of our valuable aircraft. No matter what we did, even GSR (Ground surveillance radar) and barbed wire, and lights, and night vision and prayers prayed over the mess sergeants SOS and bacon. Nossir, we never got away without some Bobby lookin knuckle-dragger comin' in and messin with our beauty sleep and hot tub operations!

3. Sorry Bobby, but really, getting called a knuckle dragger by an aviator is really just a badge of honor in your world, true?


1. Usually with no sleep.

2. We'll find a way in, especially if some aviators' happen to talk some smack. Or there's hot coffee/snacks somewhere.

3. It ranks up there.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 14, 2015, 11:13:03 AM
Dig for the units about 6 inches extra on all sides, fill with concrete.

I have seen a few buried with no issues, but on hillsides with doors exposed.

Heck, post what you do just don't advertise where. Unless you drive something like a big black billboard saying who you are might be a giveaway, oh wait, nevermind,,,,,,,,,,,,

Congrads on the site upgrades too. Saw that yesterday but had to find the lumberjack video mentioned and found myself here.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cruizng on April 14, 2015, 11:21:26 AM
Don, You mentioned a spring fed pond. Not sure how much flow you have year round but a DIY Ram pump could handle filling the cistern or elevated tank that would create the water pressure you need. Here is a good example of a large ram pump that could be scaled down. Runs on water and gravity!  :D

https://youtu.be/siHErRMxmGw
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 14, 2015, 03:19:10 PM
Don, You mentioned a spring fed pond. Not sure how much flow you have year round but a DIY Ram pump could handle filling the cistern or elevated tank that would create the water pressure you need. Here is a good example of a large ram pump that could be scaled down. Runs on water and gravity!  :D

https://youtu.be/siHErRMxmGw
That's interesting

Sounds like a South African...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 14, 2015, 09:09:38 PM

You know what the big difference was between the Armee and the Air Force?

Dogs


The A/F secured their locations with roving dog patrols.

I learned from that...



Unless you are attacked by power cords and screw drivers, you're gonna need to upgrade from "Red Dog".......just saying!  ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 14, 2015, 09:49:11 PM
Concur

Need RDR (Red Dog Replacement)

I have my sights set on a shepherd but wife unit says no. I guess she has misgivings since one of them (Sherperds) ate up one of the pre-rangers.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 14, 2015, 10:02:37 PM
You'll need to go puppy route then to put her mind at ease; the boys raise a pair, send them (boys too) for training at right age and it won't be an issue.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 15, 2015, 02:34:34 AM
Unless the Red Dog eats the puppy,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2015, 10:41:07 PM
Spent the day working on the "other place."

Object for todays labor was to open it up some more and improve the road/trail so that when the heavy trucks come ah' callin with concrete and the like, they will actually be able to get back in there.

I loaded up the tractor and the 6 foot bush-hog for todays fun
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2015, 10:42:23 PM
Down there here is what it looked like at the beginning of the work day
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2015, 10:45:17 PM
I did an hour or two of easy "mowing" before getting to a stand of 10-20 foot tall locust trees. I've cut trees that size before with a bush hog, so I waded right in
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2015, 10:47:15 PM
Then I remembered why I didn't ever like bush hogging

Your tractor always gets destroyed!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
The last pic I am pointing to the grill which has a huge hole in it

I pulled a stick that just missed damaging the radiator!

Next, one of the legs from the t-point fell off and I didn't bring extra pins, so my bush hogging was over.

So I got to work on the driveway. I added 2-3 feet width to it and graded the bottom more or less level.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 18, 2015, 10:51:33 PM
I have more, but it's late, I've been working all day and I got up zero-dark-early to start all this.

Hang on to your horses and I'll post more up in the morrow
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 18, 2015, 11:20:15 PM
Looks like a fun day to me. Relaxing, get lost in your head and enjoy the sunshine.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 19, 2015, 12:11:24 AM
Lookin good but man, it sure made a mess if that JD. Even though that brush guard is a little short, I bet it saved the rad a few times!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 19, 2015, 12:54:01 AM
Which model Deere is that? 3032? 790?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 19, 2015, 02:27:57 AM
Maybe bush hoggin with that JD was like bringing a knife to a gunfight?

Looks like a good day though. Always nice when can can see what you did.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 09:03:05 AM
Which model Deere is that? 3032? 790?

4720
66 HP with the gee whiz electronic stuff. Drives more like a car and will become a planter if we get EMP!
Has a 4-1 bucket for grabbing trees, front/rear hydraulics, is pretty heavy (good thing) and way powerful
Good little machine that I ordered with all the options except for a cab...don't need no stinkin cab with footsie warmers and cheek massagers...
But it does have an air seat!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 09:06:40 AM
Lookin good but man, it sure made a mess if that JD. Even though that brush guard is a little short, I bet it saved the rad a few times!

Nothing that can't be fixed

And that brush guard which was their HD option, has scrape marks on it, so you are correct my friend!

Was a good day like Bobby said. Just got lost in it cutting, pushin' diggin' tippin' over, sliding, pulling embedded locust thorns out of my knoggin' when a tree swatted my face, watchin the boys chase a snake, shootin, knockin' holes in the old house...all very therapeutic!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 09:11:58 AM
When I bush hog, as we have seen, if I can drive over it, it gets cut down and chomped up.

I wanted to improve vis in all directions so I started pushing back the overgrowth. I think for just a few hours of rotary cutting the area is beginning to open up
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 09:14:47 AM
In preparation of the burning of the house and the shed, I pushed back the brush some. Eventually, I'll cut everything back a couple hundred feet
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 09:17:43 AM
This paddle holster held the G23 in place through all that work. At the end of the day, even though I had a bloody head, three teeth which were rattling, the tractor was all buggered up, my trusty Glock was as secure as a new born in it's momma's arms!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 09:19:33 AM
At the end of this day, we loaded up everything and scared several hundred hippies on the drive home with that wide trailer with no rear lights.

But soon will come the day when the tractor remains there, and sometime after that, so will I!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 19, 2015, 10:18:22 AM
As thick as those woods look, you might consider contracting with a Forestry expert and reputable timber company to come in generate some return on investment to restore the health of your woods, before you start your sustainability improvements and bug-out work.  That and a good controlled burn would turn the place into Eden of sorts.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 19, 2015, 12:49:07 PM
That's awesome, nice machine. Dad and I are lookin at a 3032e in the next couple years. 4 series is really nice... Too big for us tho.
Property is lookin good!

And amen on getting a forester to assess the timber. They say that if a stand needs a good thinning, you'll grow more than you cut out within a couple years...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on April 19, 2015, 01:25:03 PM
Don't know how old the out building or the house is, but you might want to check out the value of the boards and beams before lighting them off.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 19, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
The pic with the plywood lengthwise next to the concrete fireplace?? looks like a perfect spot for a short range.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 03:07:39 PM
Don't know how old the out building or the house is, but you might want to check out the value of the boards and beams before lighting them off.
Believe me, Bob I am looking into all options. Nothing save the wood burning stove in the house is salvageable...that and a water heater and water pump in a snake infested basement!

Maybe I can talk Duane into going down in there, or Bobby, he is a snake eater...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
The pic with the plywood lengthwise next to the concrete fireplace?? looks like a perfect spot for a short range.
Look carefully at the thousand + holes already in it. Wee-Rangers have been chewing that up with a 10-22 Ruger, a 20 gage, my M4 and some pistols!

Places all over that property for ranges.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 03:19:11 PM
As thick as those woods look, you might consider contracting with a Forestry expert and reputable timber company to come in generate some return on investment to restore the health of your woods, before you start your sustainability improvements and bug-out work.  That and a good controlled burn would turn the place into Eden of sorts.
Copy that red Rider

Duane and I are talking, emailing and so forth with timber companies and master loggers. I am on the Univ of KY ag department forestry program at the moment learning...

Here's what I do know already. Cedar logs sell nearby my farm for anywhere from 1.21 up to over $40 a log. A log is of various diameters and cut to 8'4".
I have hundreds to clear off the road and fields. As I do, almost on a daily basis, I plan to delimb them on the spot, then grab them with that 4-1 bucket on the tractor and stack a 10,000 pound load onto the trailer.

I thought about it, and I am going to set daily goals. For example, I want to buy a 1500 gal water tank. It costs $699. So one day, I am going to harvest $700 worth of cedars, then haul them up to the mill, then order the water tank. And enjoy the property opening up while I do it.

Early on I am going to put in my first crop

Know what it is going to be??

Any takers??

Lilliac!

Yep, I think I'll set out two rows of Lilliac which I can begin to harvest in a couple years. I am also thinking of raising some Ginsing and I want to raise some Koi.

Back in the day, I owned a timber frame house and had a pond set into the floor. I had Japanese Koi in that pond. Some of those fish were valued at $1200. I heard that the only pond in the area better than mine belonged to Wynonna Judd! Jack Green the guy who sold me the fish, supplied her fish as well. American Koi stink. THe japs make better ones (opposite rule from kar buildin')

Anyway, I am going to generate income from that property all the while. And best part is I paid cash for the place...Don't owe a dime on it, it's all mine. And if lady luck is sailing my direction the property is about to become much larger!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 19, 2015, 03:26:01 PM
Good progress, sorry I missed it.  I'll help salvage the stove and stainless chimney parts.  The water heater is probably not worth saving.  The shallow-well cistern pump might be, probably worth pulling that out too.  If the pump head is cast iron they sell rebuild kits for those.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 03:26:59 PM
That's awesome, nice machine. Dad and I are lookin at a 3032e in the next couple years. 4 series is really nice... Too big for us tho.
Property is lookin good!

And amen on getting a forester to assess the timber. They say that if a stand needs a good thinning, you'll grow more than you cut out within a couple years...

Could I offer some advice here?

The 3032 is mechanical as in a manual transmission.

I'd look at their hydrostatic tractor and that 3037 is one of my favorites.

I have owned J Deere hydrostatic tractors since either the late 80's or early 90's.

I have never experienced a failure with one, never!

I used a 5300 to dig a 20 foot deep pond in Tennessee. I've put roads in, had back hoes hooked to two of them and no problems. Before that I had a manual shift tractor and it was OK except when doing shuttle loader work. That's when the hydrostat really shines!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
Good progress, sorry I missed it.  I'll help salvage the stove and stainless chimney parts.  The water heater is probably not worth saving.  The shallow-well cistern pump might be, probably worth pulling that out too.  If the pump head is cast iron they sell rebuild kits for those.

This past weekend, the boys thought that Cistern was a urinal!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 19, 2015, 04:05:15 PM
LOL- they won't after you have them scrub it down with bleach after the burn!  ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 04:15:40 PM
LOL- they won't after you have them scrub it down with bleach after the burn!  ;D

I don't plan on reusing it anyway. When Big Red gets fixed I will push all that business back in and dig a proper hole there!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 19, 2015, 04:56:11 PM
Look carefully at the thousand + holes already in it. Wee-Rangers have been chewing that up with a 10-22 Ruger, a 20 gage, my M4 and some pistols!

Places all over that property for ranges.

I noticed the impact scars. I meant from the concrete shrine outwards you have an open area that has a (it appears on the photos) gentle grade. That looks to me like a tailor made KD zero range.

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 06:58:25 PM
Look carefully at the thousand + holes already in it. Wee-Rangers have been chewing that up with a 10-22 Ruger, a 20 gage, my M4 and some pistols!

Places all over that property for ranges.

I noticed the impact scars. I meant from the concrete shrine outwards you  have an open area that has a (it appears on the photos) gentle grade. That looks to me like a tailor made KD zero range.


Funny how you guys (Infantry) think
I have two Marine buddies up here. One a grunt who did Fulushia 1 and a recon Marine.
When they see pics of the farm they are situating rifle ranges, combat pistol courses, backstops and things like that.
Well, we all think a lot, I see a nice approach along the ridge into a open flat field with a hill obscuring you once you're down...

That field is several hundred meters long and slopes down. I definitely will doze up a backstop down there and put a steel target in place. The only thing that concerns me is that it is down slope and how that will mess with trajectory vs flat ground.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 19, 2015, 10:23:30 PM
Today was my birthday

I got a surprise

A new addition to our family's security plan

I named him "Ranger"
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 19, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
Awesome!  Happy Birthday Don!  Watch out Red Dog doesn't carry him off and 'burry him!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 19, 2015, 11:27:47 PM
Happy birthday Don

I highly recommend these guys. Bought a few myself and they ship cheap from MN
http://www.shootsteel.com
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 19, 2015, 11:42:18 PM
That's awesome, nice machine. Dad and I are lookin at a 3032e in the next couple years. 4 series is really nice... Too big for us tho.
Property is lookin good!

And amen on getting a forester to assess the timber. They say that if a stand needs a good thinning, you'll grow more than you cut out within a couple years...

Could I offer some advice here?

The 3032 is mechanical as in a manual transmission.

I'd look at their hydrostatic tractor and that 3037 is one of my favorites.

I have owned J Deere hydrostatic tractors since either the late 80's or early 90's.

I have never experienced a failure with one, never!

I used a 5300 to dig a 20 foot deep pond in Tennessee. I've put roads in, had back hoes hooked to two of them and no problems. Before that I had a manual shift tractor and it was OK except when doing shuttle loader work. That's when the hydrostat really shines!

Solid advice. We are definitely going to get a hydrostatic. Although I thought the 3032e was hydrostatic, and the 3037 was just the turbo'd version of the same power train.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 19, 2015, 11:48:38 PM
And happy birthday chief!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 20, 2015, 12:27:36 AM
Happy birthday Don!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 20, 2015, 03:55:21 AM
Happy birthday Chief.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 20, 2015, 06:46:31 AM
At the end of this day, we loaded up everything and scared several hundred hippies on the drive home with that wide trailer with no rear lights.

What happened to the lights? They worked last spring when I picked up that 1st Gen chassis.  Squirrels get to the wiring?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 20, 2015, 08:00:30 AM
Thanks to everyone on the birthday wishes, you all are very kind indeed!

Feels different being 49 (again)

Kyle, my bad on the 3032, I thought it was the manual trans. Should be a keeper!

Mike, red dog is already in the WTH(eck) mode. Sled dog is N O T cool with it, tried to punch to get through a window to get at Ranger. The cat snuck in then around the corner comes Ranger. Cat jumped up on a chair and hissed. So I picked up the mutt and put them nose to nose. Cat was cool and Ranger had no clue what was up...but he is not KA (Kat aggressive)

Charles,
I'll check them out. Rifle ranges are to be installed at the VBL (Very basic level) comes right after water source I think!

Duane, I busted them all off and ripped some of the wires loose going down that "driveway"
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on April 20, 2015, 09:39:02 AM
Happy birthday Chief!
The addition looks like a fine one.

The rest will learn to deal with him in time, the always do.
I have three now, 15 yrs border collie, 5 yrs chocolate lab, 4 yrs lab collie cross.
Only ever a few battles, but they're a happy family now.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on April 20, 2015, 09:40:07 AM
Happy Birthday.  Hope it was a great one all around.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 20, 2015, 09:59:15 AM
Happy Birthday.  Hope it was a great one all around.
It was indeed!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 20, 2015, 10:10:39 AM
49 what?

decades? :pokin'fun@Don
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 20, 2015, 10:34:25 AM
49 what?

decades? :pokin'fun@Don

That's getting biblical! ;-))
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 20, 2015, 11:19:00 AM
The only thing that concerns me is that it is down slope and how that will mess with trajectory vs flat ground.

If it's a very gentle grade, it shouldn't cause too much of a difference. However, that is also something important to learn anyway. I'll find the calculator and post it up.


Celebrating the Bday the reasoning behind the late night replies to the PM?

Naw, just up late with Ranger
He's getting used to things in his new home!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 20, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
Quote
If it's a very gentle grade, it shouldn't cause too much of a difference. However, that is also something important to learn anyway. I'll find the calculator and post it up.

I agree...that looks like maybe 350-400 yards..?....trajectory wouldn't be a factor on that slope.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 20, 2015, 11:50:05 AM
Naw, just up late with Ranger
He's getting used to things in his new home!

You don't have to hide it Chief, you were laying on the floor acting like a kid who just got a new puppy.

I agree...that looks like maybe 350-400 yards..?....trajectory wouldn't be a factor on that slope.

Couple inches give or take. I don't know off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 20, 2015, 02:34:24 PM
"Up late with Ranger....."

Good thing puppies are cute, cause they're a PIA!  My current one has tested my resolve more then all others combined!

Not seeming to get the "hold it" part of the program at 4am, so in trying to facilitate crate training protocol, I'm getting up!  Then, since he's up, he wants to play!  Scared crap outta me this am when I held him still cuddled against me, he went limp after struggling- he just gave in like I flipped a switch; thought I killed him or did the sleeper hold!

Put yourself, pup and sled dog in small room and work it out, asserting YOU are the Alpha of the pack.  I've had to do that on occasion with mine and guest dogs of friends that I've taken care of.  Had as many a 4 intact males loose and free in the house together without issue, but I'm always monitoring.  Lifting by the collar shoulder high with some firm affirmations and stern incantations including "NO" and putting them down to try again, lays a firm foundation of what's not tolerated when you "speak" to them to knock it off (adult dogs).  Puppies I leave for on the floor and rattled them by the collar with same incantation.  Adult dogs off the ground takes away their security, pack status etc.

When you got the pup and each as individuals getting along, introduce all three and be ready to repeat the process as needed.  Sometimes that third element can throw a wrench into the dynamic so keep on your toes- especially if you toss a female in the mix; they can be the worst, hence the name they're reffered to by in the dog world!

Have fun- beautiful pup; the Mrs. Six pulled one over on you it seems!  Good for her!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 20, 2015, 03:22:35 PM
"Up late with Ranger....."

Good thing puppies are cute, cause they're a PIA!  My current one has tested my resolve more then all others combined!

Not seeming to get the "hold it" part of the program at 4am, so in trying to facilitate crate training protocol, I'm getting up!  Then, since he's up, he wants to play!  Scared crap outta me this am when I held him still cuddled against me, he went limp after struggling- he just gave in like I flipped a switch; thought I killed him or did the sleeper hold!

Put yourself, pup and sled dog in small room and work it out, asserting YOU are the Alpha of the pack.  I've had to do that on occasion with mine and guest dogs of friends that I've taken care of.  Had as many a 4 intact males loose and free in the house together without issue, but I'm always monitoring.  Lifting by the collar shoulder high with some firm affirmations and stern incantations including "NO" and putting them down to try again, lays a firm foundation of what's not tolerated when you "speak" to them to knock it off (adult dogs).  Puppies I leave for on the floor and rattled them by the collar with same incantation.  Adult dogs off the ground takes away their security, pack status etc.

When you got the pup and each as individuals getting along, introduce all three and be ready to repeat the process as needed.  Sometimes that third element can throw a wrench into the dynamic so keep on your toes- especially if you toss a female in the mix; they can be the worst, hence the name they're reffered to by in the dog world!

Have fun- beautiful pup; the Mrs. Six pulled one over on you it seems!  Good for her!
OK, copy all that
I've done dogs for decades and they all know who's the Alpha.
I have a command "Leave-it"
I can yell from an adjacent property and the red dog will cease and desist.
The sled dog and red dog are females. Ranger is a boy. That should help some.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 20, 2015, 09:17:52 PM


If it's a very gentle grade, it shouldn't cause too much of a difference. However, that is also something important to learn anyway. I'll find the calculator and post it up.


Basic physics and trig. 

Forces at right angles have no effect on each other. At an angle, a part of the distance is actually vertical and not horizontal. So the only part that has an impact on your calculation is the horizontal component.  Think of a triangle and Pythagorean theorem

(http://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/images/pythagoras-abc.gif)

Youre at the top of the triangle on the left, "a" feet above your target and your firing along "c".  In reality gravity is only acting along the distance of "b".

So the odd part is whether you are above or below your target on an angle you will always hold low (assuming you are beyond the distance of the bullet apogee)

If you want to get very specific, you can use Pythagorean and if you are 100 yards above your target and you range it at 1000 yards, then doing the math, you should range for 995 yards. (a very slight hold under)

The other way, using trig is to take your elevation angle in degrees, use the cosine function and multiply that times you sight distance.  In the prior example, that degree would be 5.75 degrees and cosine of 5.75 is .9946, which you would multiple by the sight distance of 1000 to get the 995 yards.

a 45 degree angle would be .707 or a real dope of 707 yard for a 1000 yard sight line at 45 degree angle.

So in reality, unless you are at severe angles, it's negligible.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 20, 2015, 09:48:00 PM
^^^ That's good!

Translation to Don: Set up the range and start pokin' holes in paper!

My M1A thanks you!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on April 21, 2015, 12:11:24 AM
Minute of deer or elk works well then
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 21, 2015, 02:48:15 AM
Too much math reading..  :-\


I know what you're saying.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 21, 2015, 04:34:33 PM
Darn, I missed the party!!

HB Don, Ranger looks great, kids look happy (bet your grinnin too)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 05:42:35 PM
Darn, I missed the party!!

HB Don, Ranger looks great, kids look happy (bet your grinnin too)
YESSIR!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 09:10:46 PM
Discovered more carnage today

Didn't know it, but the trailer lost a wheel and tire. Actually discovered it yesterday, but it's not salvageable
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Red dog was just waiting to chew up something!

So I fixed (sort of) the tractor. The lines started looking like this:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 09:13:31 PM
But ended up looking like this:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 09:15:18 PM
I function checked everything and sure enough, it all works like advertised!

Cool, back in staging for another weekend of work with that green beast

Noticed this and fixed it as well:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 09:17:35 PM
OK, Ranger pics.

Actually pretty girl and Ranger pics, since she was holding him and made for a lot better pic than me holding him for the camera, I think we all can agree!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 21, 2015, 09:32:39 PM
OK, so now is the time to start a shelter conversation

I have many avenues I can take here

I haven't decided but we might do a poll like my BlackHawk pilot friend did.

These are the things I am currently considering:

1. Buying a ready made 14 X 36 storage shed/cabin and converting it into a cabin with the usual necessities, on wood skids

2. Same as #1, but placing it on piers and wrapping it with a deck and some shed roofs to create living space under a porch

3. Concrete foundation and small 1500 sq/ft stick built home on it with a deck. More or less just a traditional small home but with a cistern and natural heating and survival enhansements

4. (my current fav) Pole barn home. 6X6's set in the ground or on concrete piers of a modest size around 36 X 36 with a loft. Plumbing, electricity, cistern and sewer field.

5. poured foundation to form a basement then I build 4X8 and 6X8 panels at my home, haul them down there, then assemble a cabin style home on site.

6. Purchase a ready made Amish cabin of say two 14 X 36 sections fitted together on site on some sort of a pier or foundation structure.

7. Purchase a log home kit and stack her up down there

Of all the options, and I will select one, all will have some plumbing, and electricity. All will have a wood stove. All will have an auxiliary heat pump. All will have a combination of solar panels, a wind mill or three, diesel generator, and a battery shed/room. The home will have complete off grid electricial capability. Any of the above homes will also have propane and a solar heated shower as well as an on demand hot water heater.

Additionally, regardless of which way I go, I will first emplace a shed to store tools and things in, the quickly follow that with my 34' Camper. Once the camper is in place next I will hook up electricity to it, and sink a 1500 gallon water tank in the ground nearby. So at each step the property becomes more and more sustainable and livable.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 21, 2015, 09:39:26 PM
Minute of deer or elk works well then
Too much math reading..  :-\


I know what you're saying.

Bob, you are correct.

Bobby,  think of it like a pilot talking about how they calculate their approach, payload, yadi yadi mojo and stuff to the nth degree and all you know is that you phone in a grid coordinate and stuff disappears.   Don't tell me about the pain, just show me the baby!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 21, 2015, 09:53:29 PM
Don, I favor, if time effort and money were not the primary considerations...

Build a concrete foundation and walls about 8-10 ft high.  Then use the red tractor thingy to gently mound soil up to near the top so you in essence have a basement on which you build a modest frame residence with a loft.  From the front it looks like a normal house with no indication that there is a basement underneath.  Landscaping helps the fabricated roll to the land look natural and you don't have to deal with sub terrain excavation and forming for concrete. You have a porch and the house appears to be a foot or so off the ground on piers, disguised by a wrap around porch.  Inside you have a closet with hidden access to the basement.  All the real supplies and stuff under the house and just enough diversionary goods semi secured in the main residence to make a would be intruder think they have stumbled upon something while never realizing that there is  1000+ sq ft of secure storage underground.  Extra credit for 3ft concrete pipe from the basement to a location down hill about 100-150 ft away disguised by a planter, decorative garden Nome or other.  If you don't want to go that far you can make a short exit that comes up next to the house underneath a second AC unit that is a shell so that you tilt it to one side on a hinge and exfil from the basement
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 21, 2015, 10:07:07 PM
Agree with you about Pole Barn option, with second favorite being small home with wrap around porch.

Great photos of "Ranger" and her "handler"; thanks for sharing!

BTW- John Deere "Tractor" and NOT A DOZER!  From looks of trailer tire and rim, lost tire and then the rim got dented.   Can't imagine how you didn't feel that poor Prius it vaulted over before then........
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:38:37 AM
Don, I favor, if time effort and money were not the primary considerations...

Build a concrete foundation and walls about 8-10 ft high.  Then use the red tractor thingy to gently mound soil up to near the top so you in essence have a basement on which you build a modest frame residence with a loft.  From the front it looks like a normal house with no indication that there is a basement underneath.  Landscaping helps the fabricated roll to the land look natural and you don't have to deal with sub terrain excavation and forming for concrete. You have a porch and the house appears to be a foot or so off the ground on piers, disguised by a wrap around porch.  Inside you have a closet with hidden access to the basement.  All the real supplies and stuff under the house and just enough diversionary goods semi secured in the main residence to make a would be intruder think they have stumbled upon something while never realizing that there is  1000+ sq ft of secure storage underground.  Extra credit for 3ft concrete pipe from the basement to a location down hill about 100-150 ft away disguised by a planter, decorative garden Nome or other.  If you don't want to go that far you can make a short exit that comes up next to the house underneath a second AC unit that is a shell so that you tilt it to one side on a hinge and exfil from the basement
Well, building this thing, I am planning on a couple of "options" that I may not publicize. But def thinking along the same line as you mention.

I want cost to be a factor, i.e. low to no. That would suggest using a lot of site sourced materials. So I have thousands of Cedar trees which could saw down into all the posts I'd ever need. Side bennies: Cedar hardly rots, has a pleasant scent, and insects like roaches and termites can't stand the fragrance.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 07:46:25 AM
Agree with you about Pole Barn option, with second favorite being small home with wrap around porch.

Great photos of "Ranger" and her "handler"; thanks for sharing!

BTW- John Deere "Tractor" and NOT A DOZER!  From looks of trailer tire and rim, lost tire and then the rim got dented.   Can't imagine how you didn't feel that poor Prius it vaulted over before then........
You know Mike, I think it was the devil or one of his demons
Allow me to explain
The trip down there is somewhat problematic as the roads are not the widest and very curvy. But they are also sparkly traveled because not many folks like there and enroute.
Along that whole route is one terrible constriction. A bridge that gets you down to two country lanes and not an inch to spare on either side with concrete abutments.

Coming home at night As I approach that narrow, another truck is approaching as well. I slow to space some and I guess he must have also. We meet exactly at the narrowest point,
and
He is towing this enormous boat!
I didn't feel it, but there simply wasn't enough room for the both of us. I steered right which must have put my trailer into the abutment, but in the white knuckle moment, I didn't feel anything.

Now having said that, once before, a year ago I had that trailer down to the farm and I hit a dirt/rock wall on the drive back into the place and ripped off one of the aft legs you lower to stabilize the trailer when off-loading. So the road in is that bad and could have feasibly been the cause.

That road, horrible as it is, actually denies some traffic from actual entry, so it is a good thing. I may not mess with it all that much for that reason...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 22, 2015, 12:06:43 PM
Glad you're okay- my father refers to that as an "underwear puckering moment" which I can say I've experienced plenty.  One had the race car trailer come off the hitch and had to use the truck bumper to stop it at speed.  Needless to say, since then, I'm the only one who attaches a trailer that I'm going to tow.

You going to be able to get Concrete Trucks back there?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 22, 2015, 01:56:11 PM
You going to be able to get Concrete Trucks back there?

Psh... acquire a mixer, mix yourself, and go from there. Make it a workout... or not ;D


Speaking of workout has the mean lady from the gym been nice to you?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 02:27:22 PM
You going to be able to get Concrete Trucks back there?

I think so

If I contract the basement, it won't be my problem ;-))
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 22, 2015, 06:33:22 PM
You going to be able to get Concrete Trucks back there?

I think so

If I contract the basement, it won't be my problem ;-))

Ooohhh, double efficiency!  Contract foundation, they widen the road by incidental contact!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 22, 2015, 09:38:18 PM
You going to be able to get Concrete Trucks back there?

I think so

If I contract the basement, it won't be my problem ;-))

Ooohhh, double efficiency!  Contract foundation, they widen the road by incidental contact!
Good thinkin'!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 23, 2015, 02:18:12 AM
I like the idea of low cost and a little known basement with escape/entry route, more than one,,,,,,,,,,,,

I would dig down for the basement though, keeping the main structure just above the surroundings so it doesn't look out of place. Just be sure the basement is not to low compared to the surroundings or it will flood. Heck, even have secondary basement with the stores that leads to an access.

You now, they are about giving away railroad ties as they do upgrades. Stack those against a container and you insulation and rust protection.

As for batteries, look at a forklift battery. They say life spans are 20+ years with of grid systems. Don't go AGM, lead acid is better. I also see mono panels are going for .55 a watt now.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 08:45:33 AM
I like the idea of low cost and a little known basement with escape/entry route, more than one,,,,,,,,,,,,

I would dig down for the basement though, keeping the main structure just above the surroundings so it doesn't look out of place. Just be sure the basement is not to low compared to the surroundings or it will flood. Heck, even have secondary basement with the stores that leads to an access.

You now, they are about giving away railroad ties as they do upgrades. Stack those against a container and you insulation and rust protection.

As for batteries, look at a forklift battery. They say life spans are 20+ years with of grid systems. Don't go AGM, lead acid is better. I also see mono panels are going for .55 a watt now.

Might be a basement...Drives up my cost 15K(ish). But darn near doubles up on the space. Second basement...possibly. I have some ideas here.
Kentucky has cave systems...
No RR ties, Cresode destroys soils, and they catch fire and burn forever.

Forklift batteries: Definitely
I have a friend who owns a company that uses a leading edge technology where they ultrasonically shake batteries...Dead batteries. This shakes all the plaque off the plates and restores them to like new condition.
He can collect forklift batteries for free...do the shake thing and voila!
I told him I will be needing 6 or 8 of them...

His business is shaking aircraft batteries. Those cost $1500 and more each so that's where the money is, but the technology is the same
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on April 23, 2015, 05:21:09 PM
So that's why batteries last so long in my wife's Acura- crappy Illinois roads keep the scale shook off!

Question for you on your land Don- do you own the mineral rights?  Was one of the things a friend of mine in Ohio said I'd need to check into, were I to retire to the Blue Grass state- suppose it would include caves/caverns too?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 23, 2015, 05:39:52 PM
So that's why batteries last so long in my wife's Acura- crappy Illinois roads keep the scale shook off!

Question for you on your land Don- do you own the mineral rights?  Was one of the things a friend of mine in Ohio said I'd need to check into, were I to retire to the Blue Grass state- suppose it would include caves/caverns too?
I do!
Own everything down to the earth's core!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 23, 2015, 05:44:35 PM
hmmmm. Wonder if you'un gots some natural gas somewhere on that's property....that would be some steady income from heres to eternity!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on April 23, 2015, 06:54:47 PM
hmmmm. Wonder if you'un gots some natural gas somewhere on that's property....that would be some steady income from heres to eternity!

yeah but is the cost of finding and drilling it worth it?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on April 23, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
Sign a lease with one of the drilling outfits and let them pay the upfront costs.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 23, 2015, 10:14:58 PM

My neighbor and his siblings (all retired) are living nicely off of 3 oil wells in SD, from there parents farm. None of them wanted to carry on the family business (was always in the hole) so they let the drillers come in, they paid for everything. All my buddy had to do was sign a contract for a percentage of what they pump.
I have another friend that has a backwoods property in Maryland, with a single gas well pumping 1200.00 into his bank account every month, without lifting a finger. that income paid for the mortgage on the property, so basically, he got it for free.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 24, 2015, 08:03:36 AM
That's all very interesting

Lots of gas and oil plays here in the Tucky

Don't know if I want the company though
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 24, 2015, 11:45:15 PM
I think the second you let any company in to do drilling. You have have all the reason for what you have. Between who knows who is there checking out your site, then the inspectors and f e d s come too.

How many batteries? With that many you could run events!!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 25, 2015, 12:17:47 AM
I have power lines and two transformers on the property, so we have all the power you'd ever need for events, but 6 batteries with cells to support them would get you off grid for good
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 26, 2015, 09:12:28 PM
Just had a good day working on the site.

Object remains to open it up and reclaim what nature is gobbling back up and get the road in there useable

One thing about that road, it remains true to it's ability to inflict damage. I have received damage every single time I have ventured down that 7/10ths of a mile stretch.
Today I was crawling back in there with my tractor with the commercial box blade attached (Read: Heavy) and as I drove up on one bank to keep from rutting the same patch every time, we heard a POW!

The sound was just like you drove over a 2 liter coke bottle and it exploded, or like when an air bag explodes...that sort of a sound

Heavy load for 4WD low range crawlin':
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 26, 2015, 09:13:48 PM
Duane got busy right away on those pesky locust trees
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 26, 2015, 09:15:31 PM
I worked on the road in for a couple hours. I cut some of it wider and dragged a lot of it flat, knocking down the crown. Did some more de-limbing, then it was back to the site area for more cutting
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 26, 2015, 09:17:03 PM
We brought one child labor person each and gave them the heavy work...builds character. They stacked that tree I dropped on the farm house over by the area where I am building a new fire pit
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 26, 2015, 09:18:03 PM
I bush hogged this power line access. It's 160 meters to the 1st pole and 284 to the second
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 26, 2015, 09:21:53 PM
There are now some stumps to sit on...talk about basics!

The tractor is now permanently situated there along with the bush hog and the box scrapper.

I located an old Kentucky homesteader well. Darn near dropped a wheel into it while chewing up a patch of briars. I also found two more natural springs and the limestone there is definitely running water, so getting that won't be an issue, just require some engineering.

The boys did some prerequisite weapons training shooting at that wedge of tree I cut out to prevent the tree from falling on the house.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 26, 2015, 09:29:51 PM
I bush hogged one entire field claiming it back. I am restoring the fields and cutting trails everywhere at the moment to figure out what I am sitting on. It's fun work and I am discovering all sorts of building materials as I go along

I did some more work around the house which will soon be torched. I removed all the waste trees, which left none! I did uncover some big beds of Iris flowers though and what Duane is thinking might be a collapsed root cellar.

There is a disorganized pile of stones which curiously are rectangular and square, like someone made them that way. Finding that stuff is helping me formulate a site plan. I want to recycle and incorporate a lot of what I have laying around to keep the project inexpensive, cool, and, limit the number of folks that might have to stop by
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on April 26, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
This looks like so much fun! Thank you for sharing with us. I'm jealous!  :D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 27, 2015, 10:15:16 AM
So what was the loud bang....another tire?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 27, 2015, 01:32:22 PM
So what was the loud bang....another tire?

I was wondering the same,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Will all/most of the new power line be underground as to be in the way or advertise?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on April 27, 2015, 01:44:08 PM
Don't know how much an above ground power drop will advertise, but am betting a well used driveway and the range noise might tip off at least a few people that the place isn't a normal farm.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on April 27, 2015, 02:30:08 PM
BDNRB (big don's new rule book) has a paragraph that states;
"All firearms used on Farm must be equipped with a can sufficient enough to lower dba's to no more than 85...." lol
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 27, 2015, 03:50:51 PM
The sound, sorta like an air bag popping was....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on April 27, 2015, 05:05:38 PM
The sound, sorta like an air bag popping was....


CMax's airbag in the rear end?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 27, 2015, 05:22:16 PM
The sound, sorta like an air bag popping was....


CMax's airbag in the rear end?
Yup
Flexed hard with that trailer doing a weird off camber trying to stay out of a mud hole and KA-POW
One rubber bag went to air bag heaven
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on April 27, 2015, 05:58:26 PM
That loaded trailer wasn't all that heavy. Was it just from the flexing of the rear axle on the truck compressing the bag? More heavy duty set needed?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 27, 2015, 06:24:26 PM
...trying to stay out of a mud hole...

We didn't try to stay out of the mud hole...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 27, 2015, 06:44:51 PM
That loaded trailer wasn't all that heavy. Was it just from the flexing of the rear axle on the truck compressing the bag? More heavy duty set needed?
It was due to extreme flexing angle and rate gettin' there of the truck. But there was a lot of tongue weight on the truck already.
I've flexed the truck that much several times in the past with no incident, so I'm pretty sure the added ton or so of tongue weight did the trick
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on April 27, 2015, 07:27:37 PM
sounds like square d might get running sooner than later so cmax can get some more modification
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 27, 2015, 07:40:29 PM
sounds like square d might get running sooner than later so cmax can get some more modification

??????????????????????running
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on April 27, 2015, 08:19:13 PM
^^^^ I'm sensing a little impatience up there  :-\
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on April 27, 2015, 09:17:42 PM
I want to see how that 46r works out. Mine is supposed to be good (spun off the flywheel) but don't really want "stock".

Just got a quote for around 4k for a 47rh w/tc and all billet parts. Kinda putting the cart before the horse though as the lift and axles are going on first, then the swap.

Anyway looks like you are really having a great time on the farm, wish I was closer,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 02, 2015, 09:49:32 PM
Getting going again. Basically I get 1-2 days a week down there, so I have to maximize my time there.

Everytime we go, the idea is to reclaim what Nature has been busy taking back. So lots of brush clearing, road repair and the like. It also continues to be a time of discovery, figuring out what I have all over that tract.

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 02, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
I was bush hogging everything...including my Husky chainsaw!

Yup, chopped that thing up into many smaller pieces!

Note to self: When you get done with a tool, put it up!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 02, 2015, 09:54:16 PM
Well, that dog won't hunt!

But no time to cry over spilt milk, just got to keep moving.

The boys and I wanted to improve our camping situation there, so we built up the supply of wood to burn and gathered stones and put up this fire pit:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 02, 2015, 09:56:12 PM
I bush hogged two more fields, clearing away years of brush and leaving what now looks like meadows.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 02, 2015, 09:58:29 PM
I was also able to open up some of the road that is located on my farm, about a mile deep in Kentucky backwoods

I apparently own large beds of Iris flowers. Here's one alongside the "road"
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 02, 2015, 10:02:18 PM
Tractor, bush hog, truck, and trailer all came out without further damage. I guess I checked that block when I chewed up my Husky saw

Oh, and I used the Army Surplus HMMV trailer this time. It pulls great and is very open and handy. It did have a burnt brake smell when I pulled it in the driveway after the trip home. I drove it mostly at 55mph, but much slower over the curvy sections of road. I hit upwards of maybe 65 in some places, but no faster. So I know at light weight, it pulls well up to 65MPH
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on May 03, 2015, 12:05:45 AM
That is some nice land Don, I envy you.

I had mine up to around 70 when I got mine. It is light but has drag with being a foot wider than the truck with the square edges. The legs in the back are nice it is a fort for the kids playing nerf.

Your little wood pile reminds me of where I used to camp with my father. Went back year after year and the unused wood was still there.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dustoff35 on May 03, 2015, 04:13:27 AM
I was bush hogging everything...including my Husky chainsaw!

Yup, chopped that thing up into many smaller pieces!

Note to self: When you get done with a tool, put it up!

I guess you will be putting that Stihl to use now.  You are going to love that thing compared to the Husqvarna...

Looks like a good day of work nonetheless.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 03, 2015, 06:59:21 AM
When I first saw the picture of the Husky, I thought Red dog might have been involved!

Looking good, all the mowing will be appreciated by your deer herd!  Nice fire ring too, big enough to put some major chunks of wood in it.  ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 03, 2015, 07:49:44 AM
That is some nice land Don, I envy you.

I had mine up to around 70 when I got mine. It is light but has drag with being a foot wider than the truck with the square edges. The legs in the back are nice it is a fort for the kids playing nerf.

Your little wood pile reminds me of where I used to camp with my father. Went back year after year and the unused wood was still there.
That's why the boys are going with me.
Legacy
That will be their wood pile some day
I want them to have those rich memories as they look out across those fields
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 03, 2015, 07:51:09 AM
When I first saw the picture of the Husky, I thought Red dog might have been involved!

Looking good, all the mowing will be appreciated by your deer herd!  Nice fire ring too, big enough to put some major chunks of wood in it.  ;)
Ya know Mike...

Lots of memories are built around a glowing fire pit!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 03, 2015, 08:29:50 AM
Making good progress Don. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 03, 2015, 08:42:28 AM
You're welcome friend!

BTW, as with all my "Projects" lots of things going on in the background.

I may build the cabin myself, but I am also looking at some Kentucky built Amish cabins. I'm not a huge fan of the Amish, because they will not stand with me and others in battle to defend the country they choose to live in, but they do great work.

A local builder mates 14' wide sections into some spectacular little units.

Here are some of the possibilities:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on May 03, 2015, 11:29:50 AM
I was bush hogging everything...including my Husky chainsaw!

Yup, chopped that thing up into many smaller pieces!

Note to self: When you get done with a tool, put it up!
I smiled when I saw this picture. Not because it happened to you, but because the one I own is on a quick path to 180 grains of angry lead.
I've somehow managed to have the choke lever break yet again...
This may be the result of a couple pounds of tannerite and some high speed lead!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on May 03, 2015, 01:34:31 PM
The place is opening up and looks good !
I wonder if you could cut out the middle man, buy "panels" straight from the source, and slap a cabin together yourself. You have at least one friend, 2 boys, a truck with a winch, and a tractor. Heck, I bet you could bring back Atlantis with that box of tools! (sorry Duane, didn't mean to call you a tool)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on May 03, 2015, 04:54:20 PM
Don, can you build on the old foundation? That would save a bunch and keep more people out.

Kits sound like a great way to go.

Keep the roads simple with just DG or gravel so you can access in all weather.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dustoff35 on May 03, 2015, 07:12:37 PM
...sorry Duane, didn't mean to call you a tool...

Wouldn't be the first time!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dustoff35 on May 03, 2015, 07:17:38 PM
Don, can you build on the old foundation? That would save a bunch and keep more people out.

Kits sound like a great way to go.

Keep the roads simple with just DG or gravel so you can access in all weather.

The foundation is a CMU basement that is shot.  Years of failing gutters, downspouts draining right at the foundation and grading that went towards the house has caused it to fail.  It has buckled inwards on two walls and the last time I was in the basement, there was 6 inches of standing water.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 03, 2015, 07:59:19 PM
That basement is beyond repair, and it is only a half basement. I have something more "Interesting" in mind if I choose that route.

I might build it myself, haven't decided yet

Step 1, in several parts is to get the camper down there and operational
1a. Clear the road in large enough to accommodate the camper
1b. Have a shed of some sort there to serve as a work shop to stage out of that will have electrical service that the camper can plug in to
1c. Get a water source such as a 1500 gal water tank on site so I have that going on

When all that is in place, I could make a run at living there in extremis, but would also be able to spend several days there in a row whilst building the real cabin
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 03, 2015, 11:08:23 PM
Brush hog made quick work of that Husky i see.... Wowzer that's a bummer.

Nice work on the property, starting to really look great. That pic of the Firepit and stack of wood is really cool. Taking in a sunset up there with your family is going to be amazing.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 08:50:39 AM
Brush hog made quick work of that Husky i see.... Wowzer that's a bummer.

Nice work on the property, starting to really look great. That pic of the Firepit and stack of wood is really cool. Taking in a sunset up there with your family is going to be amazing.
I feel it!
Planning on a family camp-in in a month. Grand babies, kids, family, all crowded around that pit and quoffee perkin' in my newly found stainless coffee pot which Duane and I and the boys properly broke in a few weeks ago. Yup, gonna be a fun time...Memory buildin' Legacy creatin'...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on May 04, 2015, 09:27:58 AM
Great stuff seeing things improve all the time isn't it.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 04, 2015, 09:48:43 AM
Great stuff seeing things improve all the time isn't it.
YESSIR it is
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on May 04, 2015, 10:02:10 AM
Growing grass on the last couple acres of my place that we cleared earlier this year.  Give the animals a little more room to roam.  It is nice to have some elbow room and see it turn into what you want it to be.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:32:00 PM
I posted this pic on my Squareness thread, but it belongs here. The farm always claims it's own from me and friends everytime we go down there.

This happened on the road going in
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:36:02 PM
Then on the way out tonight, the Air Dog started leaking fuel. I had just added 35 fresh gallons to the 57 gallon Atlas tank, but it gave some of it to the Kentucky highway system on the drive home.
I am so flat tired (Exhausted) that I just don't care right now!

So yes, we built a picnic table. Down there we need about everything. There is no real shelter and you eat your lunch sitting on the trailer, so I wanted to get the table in there, with some temporary cover. Plus it's my chance as a dad to teach the boys skills they will need. All three of us piled in on the project which took 2.5 hours and was a blast
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:37:00 PM
And here it is, 8 feet of very heavy green wood
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:38:11 PM
So we loaded it into the HMMV trailer, still sporting it's desert camo CARC paint
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
We had a great work day down there. Weather was extraordinary!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:40:51 PM
Those fields are growing, and fast! I'll have to bush hog them 3 times a year to stay on top

First order of business was to get the table positioned near the fire pit, and some overhead cover going on
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:44:39 PM
Concept of the operation remains clearing brush, cutting back things so I can see all around, and discovering what I own, exactly.

I spent about 6 hours on the tractor running the MX-6 rotary cutter which is doing a great job on everything up to about a 2" caliper tree.

Here's a before/after of a pesky patch of brush some knucklehead could use as concealment and get close
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:46:03 PM
Some other fields before/after:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:47:46 PM
This field cleaned right up
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:49:33 PM
This one was a bit tippy. I get nervous cutting on such a steep slope!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:51:05 PM
I'm starting to move in around the pond. It was a thicket, but I now have access and the brush mostly cut away. It sits behind the trees. You are looking at the dam
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:52:39 PM
Took care of this field as well
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
This two-track winds its way through the property
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 10:59:11 PM
The property is mostly bush-hogged at this point and I have cut maybe a mile+ of trails so I am happy with the progress. We found several water sources, have tillable (Rich) land, fenceable critter pastures with ponds if I fill them, and one feature I like is the old two-track is worn down into the planet 2-4 feet for a lot of it's distance, allowing one to move about on it in defilade as viewed from the sides, however I can see up and down a lot of that length. That is a handy tactical advantage
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 09, 2015, 11:05:04 PM
So, the plan remains to constantly improve the fighting position as General Parapit once told me when I was a junior officer. He invented the parapet fighting position.

I need to open up the access road some or I will not be able to get anything back in there, including the camper.

So I am going to start looking for someone who has one of those brush cutters that just erases trees and anything else it encounters. The cutter works in the vertical plane so scrubbing on those trees should get me the clearance I need

I have a conversation going with a Mr. Yoder, an Amish man who builds cabins and sheds and the like. He has quoted me a 14 X 32 cabin with a 6' double barn door, a steel service door and 4 windows, delivered on site for $6400.

I think I am going to execute on that plan and get something in there. That will become temporary shelter, storage, and a work shop from which I will build the larger structure .

So that's it for now...the build continues!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Pulley on May 09, 2015, 11:17:08 PM
Maybe you should look into getting a batwing mower for all those fields. It would take much less time to cut it all. The land is really starting to open up and looks nice. Good looking table also. ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 09, 2015, 11:23:04 PM
Well I noticed 2 things.  The pre rangers were gettin some sun and don broke out the stihl. 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 09, 2015, 11:57:05 PM
This is what you seek.  A hydro axe.  $3000 per week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPE_8S3XnAk
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 10, 2015, 12:30:40 AM
I think he intentionally ran over the husky so he could tell the wife he needs to go get a new Stihl MS 661   7.2 bhp of man love right there
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 10, 2015, 07:33:31 AM
Great table!  Also makes a great shooting bench!

I did notice one issue with the new Stihl though, that chain needs to be outta the dirt and actually around the bar for it to work......... ;D

Nice sounding cabin plan- Yoder is one of your more common names in the Amish community.  Friend of mine moved form So. Iowa to So. Missouri - his Farrier in IA was named Yoder; goes to find a local one in MO and HIS name is Yoder!

I look at the lay of your land now that it's cut, and I envision feed strips laid out around the edges, then start hearing the calls of Quail and think of running dogs!  You must be smack dab in the middle of Quail country down there.......and I also thought of a Still, in addition to the new Stihl, since you're in Bourbon Country as well.

Question: What is that stone behemoth- Outdoor grill/fireplace or what?  I'm talking about the one with the vines growing on it, not the fire ring.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 08:31:12 AM
Maybe you should look into getting a batwing mower for all those fields. It would take much less time to cut it all. The land is really starting to open up and looks nice. Good looking table also. ;)
Maybe you should look into getting a batwing mower for all those fields. It would take much less time to cut it all. The land is really starting to open up and looks nice. Good looking table also. ;)
You're right about the bat wing

But I can't afford that and the tractor to pull all that right now. Still have to build in the place, fix big red, mother's day, birthdays...well you get the picture
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 08:33:42 AM
Well I noticed 2 things.  The pre rangers were gettin some sun and don broke out the stihl. 

That Stihl is one wood eatin' machine. Has 3/8" cutters which really chunk through the big trees, right up to the point you find the embedded barbed wire!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 08:53:49 AM
Great table!  Also makes a great shooting bench!

I did notice one issue with the new Stihl though, that chain needs to be outta the dirt and actually around the bar for it to work......... ;D

Nice sounding cabin plan- Yoder is one of your more common names in the Amish community.  Friend of mine moved form So. Iowa to So. Missouri - his Farrier in IA was named Yoder; goes to find a local one in MO and HIS name is Yoder!

I look at the lay of your land now that it's cut, and I envision feed strips laid out around the edges, then start hearing the calls of Quail and think of running dogs!  You must be smack dab in the middle of Quail country down there.......and I also thought of a Still, in addition to the new Stihl, since you're in Bourbon Country as well.

Question: What is that stone behemoth- Outdoor grill/fireplace or what?  I'm talking about the one with the vines growing on it, not the fire ring.

I'll go in order here Mike

Good table, cause the boys built it and learned something.

I'll definitely shoot something off of it in the very near future

Yep, chain came off the stihl, which signaled time for me to jump on the tractor and start to whacking weeds

This Yoder guy is the owner of the local "Cabin Factory who sells to all the vendors. $6400 from him or $8200 from them

Def interested in quail. I offered about a forth of my place to Ky fish and game for quail introduction. Those bozos were not the least bit interested! Kept coming up with excuses, and frankly I just don't have time for these unresponsive, non-caring government types

A still? I'm not a drinker, but if I needed it for fuel, well different story. Other thing is I try to obey the law...Would be fun to engineer it, but I think I bend my hydro tasks to getting some well capable of pumping some clean water.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Higher Caliber on May 10, 2015, 09:32:21 AM
Does that trailer give you better fuel mileage pointing down hill like it does? Seems like it would just push you along!
;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 10:13:59 AM
Does that trailer give you better fuel mileage pointing down hill like it does? Seems like it would just push you along!
;)
I did!

Mileage was up to a trip average of 33.2MPG with the trailer (going down hill), but only 7.3M without it going back uphill!

...Hard to believe!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on May 10, 2015, 02:10:09 PM
Is that first picture level, or is the house really off level that bad?

I sure like that hydro axe, but a string type cutter mounted up front would be better for maintenance.

Nice bench and great looking land.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 03:35:59 PM
Is that first picture level, or is the house really off level that bad?

I sure like that hydro axe, but a string type cutter mounted up front would be better for maintenance.

Nice bench and great looking land.
JR,

The house is the only thing on the whole property that is level!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 06:32:12 PM
Next project...This week:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 06:33:25 PM
I know, I know...Another crappy project!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 10, 2015, 06:58:14 PM
Secret entrance into the basement?  ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 10, 2015, 07:01:14 PM
Secret entrance into the basement?  ;)
No place you'd want to stay for very long!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 10, 2015, 08:07:49 PM
hey now, I think there are a few of us on here that would have absolutely no problem using that fine building as long as we didn't have to utilize a mixture of mogas and jp-8 to burn what it was that  we evacuated from our systems........  ;D

we all know that MRS flyin6 will never, ever, be asked to conduct such duties, but on the other hand, I  think we have many such vol-in-tolds for such a mission......... :o

I am guessing such folks like
the flyin 6 pre-rangers
the dustoff pre-ranger
ken
tate
bob
the guy from the land of Obama (mike, still love yah!)
that electrician guy from mass
I think there is a guy from LA/TX that does a lot of heavy equipment stuff (ash)
the guy that used to own great lakes off road and is now taking some family time (shawn)
we have a suit from TX (R/N)

oh what the heck, everybody gets a turn doing this!



Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 10, 2015, 08:46:50 PM
"suit", ha!  Man, Nate, just because I work behind a desk don't mean I don't have calluses.  You know how hard it is pushing a pencil?  That's dangerous work, I could get a splinter....or even a paper cut.  Good thing I keep quick clot in my desk drawer.... 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 10, 2015, 10:31:48 PM
HAHAHAHA,

You my friend are definately not a true stuck up suit.  I just have to give you a little razzin every now and then.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on May 11, 2015, 12:08:26 AM
Secret entrance into the basement?  ;)
No place you'd want to stay for very long!

But who would look for you down there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on May 11, 2015, 02:30:28 AM
hey now, I think there are a few of us on here that would have absolutely no problem using that fine building as long as we didn't have to utilize a mixture of mogas and jp-8 to burn what it was that  we evacuated from our systems........  ;D

we all know that MRS flyin6 will never, ever, be asked to conduct such duties, but on the other hand, I  think we have many such vol-in-tolds for such a mission......... :o

I am guessing such folks like
the flyin 6 pre-rangers
the dustoff pre-ranger
ken
tate
bob
the guy from the land of Obama (mike, still love yah!)
that electrician guy from mass
I think there is a guy from LA/TX that does a lot of heavy equipment stuff (ash)
the guy that used to own great lakes off road and is now taking some family time (shawn)
we have a suit from TX (R/N)

oh what the heck, everybody gets a turn doing this!

Thanks for the flashbacks Nate...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 11, 2015, 08:20:55 AM
  ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dustoff35 on May 11, 2015, 11:01:09 AM
Will the latrine be the dig-a-deep-hole kind or the JP-8-half-drum kind? 

If its the former, I have an 9 year-old RL-1 operator and a mini-excavator that we can trailer down.

Not this weekend though, AA and AAA hockey tryouts... 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 12:09:22 PM
Hole

3' X 3' X 3-4'

lined walls with PT lumber

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on May 11, 2015, 12:59:22 PM

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)

Those 2 statements are counterintuitive... JK

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 11, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

machinery........?

I never knew that there were such machines to make doing work easier, until I joined the army.  manual labor would be my vote.  just let me know if you need a copy of the field san manual.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on May 11, 2015, 01:31:55 PM
Hole

3' X 3' X 3-4'

lined walls with PT lumber

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)
Food for thought. That is not a real deep hole. Not sure on intended duration for use, drainage and soil makeup.
If it's just a short term thing it will probably suffice, but for long term I'd want to go deeper. Also if you keep paper products out of it, the natural process is more efficient and effective. Septabs I think is what I put in mine a couple times a year to get it working, probably other variants to do the same.
These are not something you want to deal with too many times, I need to redo the original at my cabin this year. No idea how deep it was, 20 years old or so. I'm planning on 4 x 4 x 7-8 deep.

And yes, character building project.  :D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: moto123 on May 11, 2015, 02:24:24 PM
Your fields are looking much better now that they are knocked down.  Seeing your progress motivated me to finally reclaim some sections of my woods.  It was an exciting experience.  Random sticks and the base of old stumps being ground up sounded horrible, but no damage was done and the brush cutting continues.  You can see how tall the weeds were ahead of the tractor.  Now I can actually walk down to the stream in shorts without the stinging pain from nettles!

I removed my front end loader so that I could more easily maneuver through the tight trees.  You mentioned it became unstable on the side hills, if you are not able to remove the entire FEL, I would highly recommend dropping the bucket off.   Removing 100 lbs from the front moves the center of gravity rearward enough that my tractor feels significantly more stable.  And I should know, I've nearly tipped the thing over about a half dozen times.  When doing loader work I always leave it in 4x4 so that I can steer into it as it starts to lean and accelerate through.  I am building a small motocross track with lots of jumps, so that may not be a typical application.

(http://i596.photobucket.com/albums/tt49/moto123233/Mobile%20Uploads/20150510_142544.jpg) (http://s596.photobucket.com/user/moto123233/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150510_142544.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 11, 2015, 08:26:56 PM
Thanks for the tips on bush hogging. I can remove the FEL easily, although this tractor is significantly larger. It's a 66HP unit.

I plan to nug out the bumper on SquareD-ness tomorrow, then drive over to visit with an Amish guy I what to build the shed/workshop for me, then get into the outhouse project on Thursday.

We are due for a lot of rain over the weekend so I might keep it in close and finish the crapper build and even paint the thing
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 13, 2015, 01:43:23 AM
I have to agree with Sammconn and go deeper on the outhouse unless you are only planning very limited use and your soil is fantastic draining. They can fill surprisingly fast. I treat mine with a bucket of warm water and some of these http://www.roebic.com/septic-systems.shtml a couple times a summer to help it digest. The ground is too cold here to allow to digest without some help. Look forward to some pictures of the build there.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 13, 2015, 07:42:51 AM
I have to agree with Sammconn and go deeper on the outhouse unless you are only planning very limited use and your soil is fantastic draining. They can fill surprisingly fast. I treat mine with a bucket of warm water and some of these http://www.roebic.com/septic-systems.shtml a couple times a summer to help it digest. The ground is too cold here to allow to digest without some help. Look forward to some pictures of the build there.
OK the wise men have spoken...go deeper sez the guys in the know.
Hey, it's forced labor so who cares how deep it is? How about deep enough so a pre-ranger standing in the bottom can't be seen?

Going today to check out the buildings, should pick up the materials and start construction tomorrow

Question: Shingles or steel roof?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on May 13, 2015, 07:55:38 AM
Steel is forever. Shingles are replaceable. If I were t do it again and I did my cabin a couple years ago it would be steel.
Now, steel roof in hailstorm is quite loud.
Sorry to be so indecisive.

Probably steel.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 13, 2015, 08:12:15 AM
Steel is forever. Shingles are replaceable. If I were t do it again and I did my cabin a couple years ago it would be steel.
Now, steel roof in hailstorm is quite loud.
Sorry to be so indecisive.

Probably steel.
I figure the enclosure will be 4 X 4 or maybe 4 wide by 6' deep. The roof will overhang, what, 8" on a side. I'll pitch it to an 8/12 or even steep for looks to a 12/12
Should be able to do all that with two pieces of steel. Oh was planning for one of those light transfer skylight tube things.
I actually don't know what it is going to look like. Much the same as the bumper, I just go at it and shape it up as I go.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on May 13, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
Question: Shingles or steel roof?


Steel. There is also steel that resembles shingles so sort of a compromise I suppose.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on May 13, 2015, 10:37:10 AM
Is this going to serve a second purpose, as possibly a hide, with gun ports in all directions, surrounded by these?

...then yes, a steel roof would be best. :)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 13, 2015, 10:46:37 AM
thought this would be beneficial for your out house construction.

http://acagle.net/images/Privy-Plan.pdf

http://www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/building-an-outhouse-zmaz72jmazraw.aspx

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-an-Outhouse  (I found this article a bit lengthy but VERY informative!)

here are a few videos on building an outhouse:  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=building+an+outhouse
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on May 13, 2015, 11:32:41 AM
Needs a catchy name like in the John Wayne movie, The Green Beret's, Provo's Privy.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 13, 2015, 04:41:26 PM
Needs a catchy name like in the John Wayne movie, The Green Beret's, Provo's Privy.
So, "Crack-house" is out
The local dump is not so good either
I really wanted to put a urinal in there and place a picture of Jane Fonda in it...just like all the urinals in the old spec ops hangars I used to live in
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 13, 2015, 05:12:34 PM
Needs a catchy name like in the John Wayne movie, The Green Beret's, Provo's Privy.
So, "Crack-house" is out
The local dump is not so good either
I really wanted to put a urinal in there and place a picture of Jane Fonda in it...just like all the urinals in the old spec ops hangars I used to live in

Do that and I'll stop every time I'm NEAR Kentucky just for some target practice.......unless she's on fire - then I'll just watch!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 13, 2015, 09:25:00 PM
I'd heard stories like that Don.  Glad to know they were true!

Of course, I would not pee on her to put her out...but I would beat her with a shovel to put her out....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Higher Caliber on May 14, 2015, 02:03:24 AM

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Question: Shingles or steel roof?
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Quick comment here... It's not the steel roofs that fail, it's the fasteners. The rubber grommets blow out sometimes in very short periods of time, especially if they are too tight. So prepare to climb up there and swap the screws out every five years or so...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:49:50 PM
OK, started the outhouse or "Privy" construction today

It started with this pile of lumber and screws about $140 worth so far
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:51:40 PM
Using these two saws which will be going down to the farm when I get that shed up and cooking.

I like the line the Dewalt projects that shows where the cut is about to occur.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:53:42 PM
Here's the plan, a cool little Privy from Canada. I like the construction, attention to detail, and "Quaintness" of the thing, so I'm gonna own one of my own
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:55:24 PM
First came the frame, held together by big #10 X 3 1/2" exterior screws. The whole thing will be screwed together
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:56:33 PM
Exterior frame is a doubled pressure treated 2 X 4 construction
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:57:28 PM
Then the rest of the floor joists and bracing
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:58:10 PM
I precut the timbers for the back wall
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 08:59:40 PM
Then assembled that wall and fastened it to the bottom with those 3 1/2" screws

It's mugo strong already!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 16, 2015, 09:01:27 PM
Working by myself, that took a little while to put together!

I'll see if I can get some more done tomorrow
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 16, 2015, 09:49:01 PM
Looks like a good start. Are you going to set it on some blocks or something?  Ground contact will start rotting pretty quick if you don't. You probably know that already but figured I would mention it. ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on May 16, 2015, 10:03:12 PM
I probably read it and didn't register in my brain housing group, but you pre-fabbing this then disassembling and trans? Or 100% build then transport?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 17, 2015, 07:11:28 AM
Looks like a good start. Are you going to set it on some blocks or something?  Ground contact will start rotting pretty quick if you don't. You probably know that already but figured I would mention it. ;)
After the pit is dug in I will set a foundation of a 6X6 box set in gravel, then drag the privy on top of that. The site has some slope so it will drain properly and the whole bottom floor section is all pressure treated materials
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 17, 2015, 07:12:35 AM
I probably read it and didn't register in my brain housing group, but you pre-fabbing this then disassembling and trans? Or 100% build then transport?

I was going to build the panels and assemble on site, but even though it will be heavy, I think I'll just build it here and heave it onto a trailer and drag it down there in one piece
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on May 17, 2015, 12:34:18 PM
I was going to build the panels and assemble on site, but even though it will be heavy, I think I'll just build it here and heave it onto a trailer and drag it down there in one piece

I see.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 17, 2015, 04:43:17 PM
so a couple of questions for yah don.

1. whats the hole size gonna be?

2. why is there a huge hole ripped into your dry wall behind the dewalt miter saw that looks like it is starting to mold?

3. why are there several burn out marks on the floor in your basement?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 17, 2015, 06:08:10 PM
so a couple of questions for yah don.

1. whats the hole size gonna be?

2. why is there a huge hole ripped into your dry wall behind the dewalt miter saw that looks like it is starting to mold?

3. why are there several burn out marks on the floor in your basement?

Hole size, standard oval (None of that girly round stuff here) with a "regular" toilet seat fitted

Hole...Outside water faucet was leaking and molded up the inside wall so I did the right thing and ripped the snot out of it along with everything else inside the wall. It's good now, all bleached now for a couple years. I'll get around to fixing it someday

Burn out marks...Well, used to keep a Harley down there. Had to exercise it during the winter months!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 18, 2015, 09:19:12 PM
Started thinking about something

Suppose I threw up a building like the one pictured, actually several. One is a barn, one is a shop and mechanical room, and one has a house concealed inside...hmmm

I am getting a quote on a shop/shed this size at the moment built to my spec on site. The builder I am speaking to actually built this structure
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 18, 2015, 10:02:55 PM
One of the buildings I saw that I was really impressed with was a large metal building like your picture and the front 2/3 was the shop with double bays, workbenches etc. The rear third was the living quarters that looked just as nice as any house. They had a patio in the back so if you entered from that side you never knew it was a shop. Worked really well and both the husband and wife were happy because they both got what they wanted.  ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 19, 2015, 11:52:09 AM
Very versatile, and the metal will last forever. Can be re-purposed easily, but a portion of it can be used as housing until the future 'house' is built...

I'm assuming those are pole structures. You can pour concrete in one/some and have a nice slab, but it's not required... gravel or dirt would be a suitable floor too, if it was mainly used for tool/equipment storage, barn, etc.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 19, 2015, 01:52:13 PM
Or put a basement under a slab.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:14:54 PM
Or put a basement under a slab.

Kentucky has lots of caves...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:19:41 PM
Very versatile, and the metal will last forever. Can be re-purposed easily, but a portion of it can be used as housing until the future 'house' is built...

I'm assuming those are pole structures. You can pour concrete in one/some and have a nice slab, but it's not required... gravel or dirt would be a suitable floor too, if it was mainly used for tool/equipment storage, barn, etc.
Def going with at least a concrete floor if not a full basement.

Conversation is ongoing, but I am looking at all sorts of possibilities

I don't want it to stand out so a utility building or barn with a living area makes a lot of sense. But then again I am so far back in the middle of somewhere the other side of no where in a county that has fewer people than the average welfare family in Baltimore! Literally we have just over 2,000 in the whole county!

So I could get away with something more house like, but then there is the cost which I have to keep in check. I figure though all you boneheads will come ah seekin me out when the economy goes bye bye, so I need some extra room for all the new soldiers who will be arrivin'

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:24:11 PM
One structure that I seem to keep coming back to is a Monitor style barn. Versatile, roomy, interesting spaces, some lofted spaces which I like to be able to look out from a high vantage point and a pole barn which is pretty economical to construct
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:26:36 PM
Site was a muddy mess so we went back after the Privy construction

Last time we left it like this:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:28:02 PM
Continuing to use the plans Nate found we bought a bunch more lumber, which puts me a bit over $300 at the moment and started cutting and framing out the walls
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
I picked up two vinyl 18" X 24" single hung windows with screens
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:30:02 PM
Here's the wall framed out
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:31:38 PM
I'm building this almost exactly according to the plans which I am finding easy to use

Here's the wall installed
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:32:47 PM
Actually, walls
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 19, 2015, 10:33:13 PM
Or put a basement under a slab.

Kentucky has lots of caves...

That would be great to have on your property!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:33:57 PM
Then the door opening. Every joint is both glued and screwed for strength
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:34:23 PM
Or put a basement under a slab.

Kentucky has lots of caves...

That would be great to have on your property!
Sure would!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:35:54 PM
That's all the materials I had so I set the pre-rangers to work with a bucket of Kihl's primer/sealer for exterior application
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:40:00 PM
I went off and cut 2 acres of lawn while they got some paint on the structure. They also got it all over each other, later under intense interrogation I got the little one to crack. They had a paint fight! Yep, all over them. And all over that new black haired shepherd, all over the red dog, all over the sled dog who managed to rub some on my Toureg, and of course all over the patio. Did I mention they were wearing clothes we had just bought them?

Anyway I made them use that orange pumice to scrub themselves in their skivvies while I hosed them off with cold water (Building character) and went back myself to finish the first coat and paint on a second one
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 19, 2015, 10:41:27 PM
I'll think about getting to the roof framing and possibly sheeting tomorrow
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 19, 2015, 10:51:17 PM
I went off and cut 2 acres of lawn while they got some paint on the structure. They also got it all over each other, later under intense interrogation I got the little one to crack. They had a paint fight! Yep, all over them. And all over that new black haired shepherd, all over the red dog, all over the sled dog who managed to rub some on my Toureg, and of course all over the patio. Did I mention they were wearing clothes we had just bought them?

Anyway I made them use that orange pumice to scrub themselves in their skivvies while I hosed them off with cold water (Building character) and went back myself to finish the first coat and paint on a second one

and what!?  did you really expect something that we all did as kids to not happen.................?

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 19, 2015, 10:51:38 PM
18x24 window.  Not sure that will suffice as a means of egress in the event of contact front.  You aint exactly svelte there Don....thus the BIG in Big Don....

While you were hosing the pre rangers off in cold water did you make them do flutter kicks?  Future seals....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on May 20, 2015, 01:16:47 AM
Careful, CPS will be after you!!

I bet you make them walk home from school sometimes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Will it look like this;
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Pulley on May 20, 2015, 01:37:00 AM
Not sure if you have decided on a house yet but I found these guys http://www.amishcabincompany.com/ (http://www.amishcabincompany.com/). They have off-grid cabin kits and have cabin displays in Kentucky if you wanted to check them out. Not a shop and home combo but a nice little living quarters. I didn't check the prices though so I'm not sure what it would run or what exactly you want.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 09:51:50 AM
Not sure if you have decided on a house yet but I found these guys http://www.amishcabincompany.com/ (http://www.amishcabincompany.com/). They have off-grid cabin kits and have cabin displays in Kentucky if you wanted to check them out. Not a shop and home combo but a nice little living quarters. I didn't check the prices though so I'm not sure what it would run or what exactly you want.
I do know about them, not all that far from me, here.

Spoke with them and got a quote for a "T" arrangement at 90K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 09:52:15 AM
Careful, CPS will be after you!!

I bet you make them walk home from school sometimes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Will it look like this;

At times I guess it might...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 20, 2015, 09:58:10 AM
One structure that I seem to keep coming back to is a Monitor style barn. Versatile, roomy, interesting spaces, some lofted spaces which I like to be able to look out from a high vantage point and a pole barn which is pretty economical to construct

Now your talkin! Love those, for all the reasons you mentioned. My folks are getting ready to build again and dads going to build a monitor style shop. I particularly like the high vantage point, in the upper middle portion, hadn't thought of that until you mentioned it.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on May 20, 2015, 11:51:30 AM
hey now, I think there are a few of us on here that would have absolutely no problem using that fine building as long as we didn't have to utilize a mixture of mogas and jp-8 to burn what it was that  we evacuated from our systems........  ;D

we all know that MRS flyin6 will never, ever, be asked to conduct such duties, but on the other hand, I  think we have many such vol-in-tolds for such a mission......... :o

I am guessing such folks like
the flyin 6 pre-rangers
the dustoff pre-ranger
ken
tate
bob
the guy from the land of Obama (mike, still love yah!)
that electrician guy from mass
I think there is a guy from LA/TX that does a lot of heavy equipment stuff (ash)
the guy that used to own great lakes off road and is now taking some family time (shawn)
we have a suit from TX (R/N)

oh what the heck, everybody gets a turn doing this!

I think that looks like a perfectly good waste of fuel. what's wrong with a pit septic? I'll help dig the hole, but not eager to smell that barbecue!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on May 20, 2015, 11:58:11 AM
Hole

3' X 3' X 3-4'

lined walls with PT lumber

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)
Food for thought. That is not a real deep hole. Not sure on intended duration for use, drainage and soil makeup.
If it's just a short term thing it will probably suffice, but for long term I'd want to go deeper. Also if you keep paper products out of it, the natural process is more efficient and effective. Septabs I think is what I put in mine a couple times a year to get it working, probably other variants to do the same.
These are not something you want to deal with too many times, I need to redo the original at my cabin this year. No idea how deep it was, 20 years old or so. I'm planning on 4 x 4 x 7-8 deep.

And yes, character building project.  :D

Trust the man that does this on the regular. I've also done these along the pacific crest trail as part of an Eagle Scout project. for long term staying power, 6' min is my recommendation. We had to help each other out of our holes.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on May 20, 2015, 12:42:33 PM
Guess I'm a little late on my contributions; good call on the privy, like the idea of the metal buildings, and I'm willing to bet that Amish wood might even outlast steel.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 20, 2015, 12:43:48 PM
burning the poop really does not take all that much diesel, and you only have to use a cup of gasoline to start it.  as far as the smell, just make sure that you are burning it down range.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on May 20, 2015, 12:55:47 PM
NEVER get down wind.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 01:39:38 PM
Hole

3' X 3' X 3-4'

lined walls with PT lumber

Lets let the boys hand dig it...builds character!

Weekend a no-go me thinks cause of the weather (Rain)
Food for thought. That is not a real deep hole. Not sure on intended duration for use, drainage and soil makeup.
If it's just a short term thing it will probably suffice, but for long term I'd want to go deeper. Also if you keep paper products out of it, the natural process is more efficient and effective. Septabs I think is what I put in mine a couple times a year to get it working, probably other variants to do the same.
These are not something you want to deal with too many times, I need to redo the original at my cabin this year. No idea how deep it was, 20 years old or so. I'm planning on 4 x 4 x 7-8 deep.

And yes, character building project.  :D

Trust the man that does this on the regular. I've also done these along the pacific crest trail as part of an Eagle Scout project. for long term staying power, 6' min is my recommendation. We had to help each other out of our holes.

6 feet!

Holy crap!

^ that was a funny there^
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on May 20, 2015, 04:15:29 PM
Ya see, it's funny because we were talking about a hole... for crap... and it's a big hole... :o
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 20, 2015, 05:01:32 PM
One aspect I didn't see addressed: 

-vent stack

Mrs. 6 will appreciate it much more, if you use one, which has a diameter larger than the entry hole- path of least resistance is used by stench too!  With lid down and large vent, little stink at all!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 07:31:41 PM
One aspect I didn't see addressed: 

-vent stack

Mrs. 6 will appreciate it much more, if you use one, which has a diameter larger than the entry hole- path of least resistance is used by stench too!  With lid down and large vent, little stink at all!
There is a 3.5" vent stack in the plans

It will get installed
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on May 20, 2015, 08:47:15 PM
also on that vent stack should be one of those whirly thingies to assist with removing the gasses that will accumulate.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 20, 2015, 09:13:45 PM
also on that vent stack should be one of those whirly thingies to assist with removing the gasses that will accumulate.
Thought about putting an exhaust tip on there

But only for a moment...!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 20, 2015, 09:24:31 PM
Holster mounted on the door immediately in front of the throne.....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 20, 2015, 10:39:19 PM
also on that vent stack should be one of those whirly thingies to assist with removing the gasses that will accumulate.
Thought about putting an exhaust tip on there

But only for a moment...!

Dual chrome stacks?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on May 21, 2015, 02:53:55 AM
Dual chrome stacks?

You beat me to it. Plan approved only if they are 8-10" in diameter...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 27, 2015, 03:32:50 PM
Don, saw these and thought of your property and springs...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0laNqJWY0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFZYD05I29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpClMTWtqXg

Gravity fed Hydraulic Ram pump providing presurized water from spring
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 27, 2015, 04:04:49 PM
What do you know about micro hydro ? One of my buddies is suggesting this for my place. 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 27, 2015, 05:45:25 PM
Not a lot, other than just basic physics, conceptual hydraulics, etc...

I think the hardest part would be keeping the pipes/pumps/impellers/valves etc clean from debris in the original water source. Seems like folks like to build a dam of sorts, and then screen/filter the water before it enters their systems.

Obviously, for this to work, you've got to have elevation differential from the water source to be able to built gravity induced pressure. That water throughput, with pressure, can then either drive an electric generator (21st century water wheel), or be used to feed a ram pump, which then delivers a reduced quantity of water back uphill to an alternate location.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 27, 2015, 05:55:50 PM
Kyle-

you should move this post or duplicate it as a topic of it's own within the thread for ease of location as a valuable resource- cool stuff!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 27, 2015, 06:33:22 PM
I will start another thread
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 27, 2015, 07:44:35 PM
Cool.  Understand the physics, just need more practical information like head height, flow rates, and equipment sizing.  I'd like a combination of solar, wind and hydro to take advantage of what's available.  Solar will probably take another 5 years to mature to something that makes economic sense.  I look forward to your post.

Sorry to DOT.  I thought Don might be interested if he had springs.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 08:14:08 PM
Cool.  Understand the physics, just need more practical information like head height, flow rates, and equipment sizing.  I'd like a combination of solar, wind and hydro to take advantage of what's available.  Solar will probably take another 5 years to mature to something that makes economic sense.  I look forward to your post.

Sorry to DOT.  I thought Don might be interested if he had springs.

I am interested, and I do have springs. On one end of the farm it is down grade along a big spur, perhaps 2 miles long, maybe a bit less. Where the land makes a drop I have a pond. It has always been at exactly the same level. After rain after drought, same-same. Near it is a perpetual wet spot, and near that I recently discovered a very old settler's well. A round stone affair which has water in it as well. Near that is another cavity that has filled with debris.

I plan to dig in there someday soon and see what's going on...hope I don't hit oil!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 08:20:41 PM
So today, I spent a lot of the day out in rural Kentucky looking at a couple Excavators. The more I thought about it, the more I thought I could really use one to develop the farm and actually get something done.

I found this beauty and am now talking to the owner about a purchase
Case 160CX with around 6,000 hours, just painted, Cummins 4BT, no leaks, great undercarriage, and even has working AC! and a radio!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
On the build stuff, I cut out the throne seat panel and built some roof rafters and screwed in the reinforcement for the seat. That got primed as well, so bit by bit I am closing in on getting the Privy to completion

It's fun work believe it or not!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 27, 2015, 10:24:51 PM
Wow Don what a piece of equipment to have!  I have rented those before and loved it. Can I ask how many acres is the farm?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 27, 2015, 10:27:29 PM
the thumb makes all the difference. 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 10:47:29 PM
Wow Don what a piece of equipment to have!  I have rented those before and loved it. Can I ask how many acres is the farm?
Right now it's 92...Looking at adding 160 in the near future, then 78 more and finally 60 more. Lots of timber as well
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 27, 2015, 10:50:52 PM
the thumb makes all the difference. 
It is essential for pulling out the trees, couldn't work without it.

I haven't operated one of these before, but I have owned loaders, back-hoes, run cranes, and played all over stuff. I think it's like anything, just have to get used to it
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on May 27, 2015, 10:51:25 PM
That Case is purrrdy.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on May 27, 2015, 10:54:21 PM
Got a trailer for it.  It could potentially generate additional income. Like at my place.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 27, 2015, 10:58:22 PM
I reckon with 300+ acres to manage that 4 series Deere is going to get purdy small :)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 27, 2015, 11:39:56 PM

Right now it's 92...Looking at adding 160 in the near future, then 78 more and finally 60 more. Lots of timber as well
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Sounds fantastic. Are you looking at a sawmill for lumber?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 28, 2015, 07:51:02 AM
I'd love me a portable sawmill at my place.  Big rough sawn timber is awesome.  Its on my list of things to have, beg, borrow or build.
http://www.hud-son.com/products/product-detail/hfe-36-homesteader
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on May 28, 2015, 08:17:49 AM
There is also variants that use your chainsaws.
Obviously the dedicated 'saw' is probably the better option.
here is one that a quick google search turned up.
I have not personally seen these work. They just look pretty cool.

http://www.norwoodsawmills.com/products-sawmills/portamill-pm14-chainsaw-sawmill
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 28, 2015, 08:56:17 AM

Right now it's 92...Looking at adding 160 in the near future, then 78 more and finally 60 more. Lots of timber as well

Sounds fantastic. Are you looking at a sawmill for lumber?
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I have lusted over them for some time like the wood mizer one shown. It's local in Indy, but the Canadians make a great unit as well, maybe the best, and I like that one as well. Mid teens is costly, but if you play around with cheapo junk, you'll just have to fix, suffer down time, or upgrade later. I have talked to Duane about doing a side business with all the trees we have, thousands of them and saw up our own timber and actually build each of our families cabins from the lumber. How cool would that be?
But I have fiscal limitations. Maybe this web site will make me millions or my rich uncle will die in the poor house, or I'll hit the lottery (Which I don't play) or better yet, a 50 pound solid gold meteor will gently fall onto my property!
Until one of the above, its the local lumber yard for me!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 28, 2015, 01:47:11 PM
Don given your fabricating talent have you thought of making your own mill? Just an example http://www.sawmillplans.com/ has what look to be detailed plans . With the cost of lumber these days it might be worth it.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on May 30, 2015, 02:11:32 AM
Both the case and that mill are nice.

The case is easy to justify and bet you can get parts for it and the CTD would fit right in.

Mill, I bet you could find a used one for a fair price. Unless you use it all the time it seems pricey new.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 08:50:02 PM
Got some more done on the Privy

It's roofed and I'll order the "Smart-Panel" Monday and get that coming in to sheet the thing

Seat is fitted and primed and ready for that red paint!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 08:51:46 PM
The thing is getting big!

Roof framing going in
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 08:52:35 PM
More framing
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 08:53:48 PM
I covered the roof with 7/16" OSB.

Now, metal or shingles...???
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 30, 2015, 08:54:54 PM
Need to finish the rest of what attaches to this:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on May 30, 2015, 09:12:48 PM
Have you thought about putting a solar panel on the roof? Hook it up so it charges up some lights during the day and they turn on at night?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on May 30, 2015, 09:29:01 PM
I realize you don't have bitterly cold winters but cold enough that you might want to get a piece of foam ( styrofoam or blue insulation foam) and use that in the winter instead of the hard seat. Instantly warm and very comfortable. Much better than sitting on the cold plastic toilet seat.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 30, 2015, 10:05:25 PM
Send out Pre-Rangers first in the winter to "take the chill off" that seat-

That's some awfully nice looking Walnut lumber you have behind that seat in your shop Don!  Looks like you could even carve yourself a stock from one of those larger chunks?  ???
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on May 30, 2015, 11:44:20 PM
Need to finish the rest of what attaches to this:

I thought the part that attaches to that is following you  ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2015, 08:02:40 AM
Have you thought about putting a solar panel on the roof? Hook it up so it charges up some lights during the day and they turn on at night?
Yes I have!

Thought about hooking it up to a motorcycle size battery and have that power a LED light
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2015, 08:06:15 AM
Send out Pre-Rangers first in the winter to "take the chill off" that seat-

That's some awfully nice looking Walnut lumber you have behind that seat in your shop Don!  Looks like you could even carve yourself a stock from one of those larger chunks?  ???
I do collect walnut, but there is another wood species in that stack
Chesnutt
Fished up from the bottom of lake Michigan, which was sitting down there some 100 or so years. I have a desk built from it.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2015, 08:07:28 AM
Need to finish the rest of what attaches to this:

I thought the part that attaches to that is following you  ;D
Exactly!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on May 31, 2015, 03:43:44 PM
I got a couple of AGM batteries that use in the garage with the winch. Those would work great, no fumes and around $40 used at the battery store (where i looked at forklift batteries). If you know someone who works cell towers they cycle them out way before they need to, got 2 free!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on May 31, 2015, 04:49:06 PM
I got a couple of AGM batteries that use in the garage with the winch. Those would work great, no fumes and around $40 used at the battery store (where i looked at forklift batteries). If you know someone who works cell towers they cycle them out way before they need to, got 2 free!
Know someone who works Cell Phone towers!

If he ever gets a moment and comes back to the site, my oldest, Little Don, turn_one, owns "North Ridge Communications" A company that services cell towers!

Where you at LD?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 15, 2015, 10:25:49 PM
Well, we burnt down our shed

Was burning brush and the bush hog fell apart and I was messing with it when the boys started yelling louder than usual.

Was going to burn it anyway, but she's a gonner!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 15, 2015, 10:28:30 PM
The three point spreader bar/arm fell off and I was fresh out of pins, then the top pin fell off of the bush hog somewhere. I did have a fresh pin for that!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 15, 2015, 10:29:39 PM
Then I went off bush hogging some more and this happened
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 15, 2015, 10:33:10 PM
Working that place down there is never without hazard!

But after all day of working, I have one of my fields, the one below the burned down shed cut down once again. I put in a bunch of new trails, and I worked several hours on the road. I am yanking all the branches off the trees up to around 12 feet. Makes for a nice canopy/tunnel effect however will soon permit me to drag down my camper.

The tractor is looking like an abused child!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 15, 2015, 10:35:02 PM
Boys were having some fun today. I gave them a Ruger .22 pistol to shoot up the place with
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 15, 2015, 10:37:19 PM
The road in is looking much better after all that diesel I burned in Mr. Green
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 15, 2015, 10:39:57 PM
More of that long, sometimes "Iffy" drive out
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on August 15, 2015, 11:17:15 PM
Wow, you're sure hard on equipment and buildings!
That was one hot fire! You're lucky you've had as much rain lately, or it could have been much more. That poor brush hog just getting right beat up, stuff hanging off everywhere on the tractor! JK. That's the sign that work has been accomplished.
Shed is gone, one less part to remove, just maybe sooner than planned.
Road looks to be coming along too. Good days work!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: rasimmo on August 15, 2015, 11:19:38 PM
Looks like a good day of progress. There is one thing that is guaranteed about tractors. Something will always break.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 16, 2015, 08:13:08 AM
No visit from the forestry service with all that smoke?  Nice piece of information learned there.


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on August 16, 2015, 08:22:13 AM
Well, that's a better place for your fire ring anyway. Cleans up the sight lines and offers direct access to the fridge!  And now, the boys will be hyper vigilant when you talk about fire safety things like wind direction, ember drift etc.

Did ya haul the Green Machine back North with ya?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 16, 2015, 08:29:13 AM
No visit from the forestry service with all that smoke?  Nice piece of information learned there.


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Yep, they came
Guy named Harley showed up, which I thought was pretty cool. We chatted awhile, one of the boys gave him a cold water and all was good!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 16, 2015, 08:30:35 AM
Well, that's a better place for your fire ring anyway. Cleans up the sight lines and offers direct access to the fridge!  And now, the boys will be hyper vigilant when you talk about fire safety things like wind direction, ember drift etc.

Did ya haul the Green Machine back North with ya?
No the Deere stayed right where I left it. That's one stout machine right there

Probably should bring it back one of these days and give it a good going over.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 16, 2015, 08:32:13 AM
Looks like a good day of progress. There is one thing that is guaranteed about tractors. Something will always break.
Absolutely

Too much vibration

Breaks things constantly

Same's true about helicopters!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: OldKooT on August 16, 2015, 10:36:19 AM
That reminds me of a time years back I was using the weed dragon on some weeds near the patio and somehow when I turned around latter my calf shed 150' away was on fire. Never did quite figure out how that happened on a windless day. Like an idiot I put it out.... I should have left it burn.

And Don, your road looks better than some county maintained roads here man, looks golden.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 16, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
Yea, that road is "Adequate"

Not sure I want it to be much more than that
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on August 16, 2015, 04:10:02 PM
it will definitely keep unwanted people out
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on August 16, 2015, 05:23:08 PM
Breaks things constantly

550 cord and 100MPH tape and the brush hog would've been good as new. Assuming you changed your socks, took a knee, drank water and took a motrin, then placed a PT belt around the bucket, then all would be in balance once again.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on August 16, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
You nailed it bobby!  He was not wearing the pt belt and probably had no sort of NCO supervision!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 16, 2015, 07:03:54 PM
Maybe that DC  car powered welder that someone posted about a few weeks/months ago?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on August 16, 2015, 07:56:49 PM
Wow, that place is destroying your "mobile investments". You should probably just deed it over to someone else, maybe a mechanic, that might be able to handle all of the field repairs.
Just looking out for you D.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on August 16, 2015, 08:10:49 PM
Maybe that DC  car powered welder that someone posted about a few weeks/months ago?

It would have welded that up fine.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 16, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Maybe that DC  car powered welder that someone posted about a few weeks/months ago?

It would have welded that up fine.
Yep, weaknesses showing up, and that is a good thing.

There is going to be a building(s) down there. A welder will be there along with compressed air, pressurized H20 and other necessities
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: OldKooT on August 18, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
Underhood welders are handy, gas powered welders in the back of a pickup are even handier. In a pinch some quality jumper cables and a few welding rods and some borrowed equipment batteries, also works quite well.

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on August 18, 2015, 12:18:08 PM
Underhood welders are handy, gas powered welders in the back of a pickup are even handier. In a pinch some quality jumper cables and a few welding rods and some borrowed equipment batteries, also works quite well.

confirmed ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: OldKooT on August 18, 2015, 02:23:33 PM
LoL Tate... us farmer/wheelers are not discriminatory how we melt metal, as long as it works. Some day I should compile a list of 4x4 trail "cobbling" that saved the day. It may be useful to someone some day.

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on August 18, 2015, 02:27:48 PM
Yeah, I've got a list like that too. Can think of a dozen off hand reasons to have a high-lift jack on hand that don't involve getting the tire off the ground.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2015, 04:05:46 PM
OK, My day at the Farm
A short story
Today was to be a productive day at the farm. I am ever struggling against encroaching nature and carving out a spot. I bush hog, work on the road into the place and today had some guys come down to haul off scrap metal (Read: Cleaning up the place)
They showed up with two little single axle trailers!
OK, so they are going to be making lots of trips! Not professional scrappers, but nice guys none the less.
I wanted to help them out by lifting with Mr. Green and loading out big stuff first, then let them come back and go as they wished.

So the first thing I find is the right front tire both flat and off the bead
Yup, and I have no air compressor on the truck or down there
But
Had a bicycle hand pump!
So I jacked the wheel off the ground by using the front loader...That was easy
Then I placed a cargo strap around the tire and cranked it until the beads reseated.
and...started to pump
I was counting. 30 pumps equaled 1 psi of pressure. I was shooting for 35psi
30 X 35 = 1050 strokes of a bicycle pump  All performed in 1200% humidity
That equals: A. A pretty good workout
                   B. An extreme workout
                   C. Heat stroke

I have no memory of that time right after the blackout and convulsions.

So anyway, after the morning was spent pumping against a bicycle pump I got the tire up to a good minimum pressure.
And started to drive off
When
I heard Tony yelling for me to "Shut it off!"
"Its spraying fluid everywhere, every time you move the steering wheel.
A quick check and yup, one of the power steering hoses is toast and the remaining one is worst yet!
The good news is I suppressed all the ash dust all over that area with my fresh hydraulic oil, so all this does have an up side!
So total cost from the carniage from the weekend is a tad over $300.

The best news is, the contractor boys cleared all the scrap metal from the burn site and got a lot of it out of the house which we are going to put on the ground PDQ in prep for fresher structures.

Be back down there in a few days with a few gallons of hydraulic fluid, some fresh hoses, and a new wheel yoke assembly

Also, talked to the power company to get the pole moved, the security light relocated, and a construction drop installed so I can run things like a compressor in the near future.

Life goes on!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on August 19, 2015, 04:10:36 PM
Boy, I thought 5 new students speaking 3 different languages was rough........I predict a "Hit or Miss motor" showing up down there in the near future!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on August 19, 2015, 05:07:43 PM
I would be that your deere dealer would probably fall over with the amount of carnage that that thing has sustained.

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2015, 05:22:10 PM
Boy, I thought 5 new students speaking 3 different languages was rough........I predict a "Hit or Miss motor" showing up down there in the near future!
Right now I have a hit or miss tractor!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2015, 05:22:39 PM
I would be that your deere dealer would probably fall over with the amount of carnage that that thing has sustained.


No,
They like it
They are selling me the parts!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on August 19, 2015, 05:49:37 PM
Wow, that place is destroying your "mobile investments". You should probably just deed it over to someone else, maybe a mechanic, that might be able to handle all of the field repairs.
Just looking out for you D.

Seems to be the story of the place huh Ken?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on August 19, 2015, 08:03:56 PM
Boy, I thought 5 new students speaking 3 different languages was rough........I predict a "Hit or Miss motor" showing up down there in the near future!
Right now I have a hit or miss tractor!

Now, re-read that Don.........that's the PROBLEM, miss more and hit less!  ;D
(He says to the tank driver.....must be the color and lack of propellers?)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on August 19, 2015, 08:10:44 PM
Boy, I thought 5 new students speaking 3 different languages was rough........I predict a "Hit or Miss motor" showing up down there in the near future!
Right now I have a hit or miss tractor!

Now, re-read that Don.........that's the PROBLEM, miss more and hit less!  ;D

ooooh! But so accurate!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 19, 2015, 09:05:54 PM
Boy, I thought 5 new students speaking 3 different languages was rough........I predict a "Hit or Miss motor" showing up down there in the near future!
Right now I have a hit or miss tractor!
Mike,

Words have power!
I am giving these no authority over my tractor motor down there!

I've run into this everywhere. You run stuff hard and it breaks. Simple really

Just don't drive yourself crazy trying to stick to some schedule
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:43:43 PM
Well, the carnige continues

I might be winning, hard to tell. I keep pouring $$$ into fixing things, and then beat back nature a bit more each time

So I am making steady progress.

This past week, we hauled most of the big pieces of scrap steel out.

I had the electric company disconnect and move the security light so I can cut down the pole before it gets burned when the house comes down

Here is the MX-6 bush hog after repairs
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:46:38 PM
I guess I wasn't moving fast enough...

Shortly after arriving at the Farm, I was under the tractor installing that new steering hose. I'm looking up and a big shadow sweeps over me and I hear wings flap.

I am sitting right beside the electric pole where they just installed that new security light and look what landed on top of that pole:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:48:45 PM
I wonder if he thought I was dead and was thinkin' of snackin' on me?

He was pretty fearless. I crawled out from beneath the tractor, walked over to the truck to grab the camera and he just followed me with those beady eyes.

Anyway here was the culprit on the tractor:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:52:00 PM
Sorry for the smudge marks on the lens...Hydraulic fluid

The new tool box was kickin' butt, at least for awhile, but I quickly found two weaknesses.

First was no wrenches bigger than 3/4" or 18mm

That's a non starter. The other is no snap ring pliers. I'll show you in a bit why I could have used them

I added a factory steering hose to the spare parts in the "Glove box"
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:53:11 PM
Got all the greasing, hose changin', Bush hog repair, and lost pin replacin' done by 1300
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:54:21 PM
About time for a new watch...

While going over the tractor, I examined the locust stump installed intercooler hole
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:56:06 PM
Boys were busy burning and shootin' stuff...Ranger had their back
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 10:59:11 PM
This freaked me out!

I was driving along the side of a field bush hogging. I was part in and part out of the trees.

I emerge and felt a "Weight" tugging on my sleeve

This demon possessed thing was crawling up my arm!

Look at the size of that

Biggest bug aside from camel spiders I have every seen!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 11:02:12 PM
Next, this hose started leaking, the upper one. Failed packing I think

TO get to that fitting, you have to remove the top of that cylinder...which is held in place by a pin, secured by two snap rings

Yea...

No snap ring pliers

No fixey

No more using the 4-1 bucket for yanking down cedar tree limbs...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 11:05:03 PM
Progress continues

The plan remains the same.

Improve the site

Widen the road

Get the camper down, then harden it some

Build some sustainment with a support shed, electricity, more and better tools,

Then improve from there
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on August 22, 2015, 11:09:44 PM
here is the info on that caterpillar you showed us.

https://www.google.com/search?q=hickory+horned+caterpillar&biw=1208&bih=708&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAGoVChMIj-jKsZu-xwIVAdWACh1GHQhg&dpr=0.95
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 11:12:38 PM
Yep

Hickory horned DEVIL

I knew it was demon possessed!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 22, 2015, 11:14:05 PM
What about the bird Nate...Turkey Buzzard?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on August 22, 2015, 11:30:27 PM
truthfully, I got lucky when I google'd horned caterpillar....?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on August 22, 2015, 11:34:44 PM
This freaked me out!

I was driving along the side of a field bush hogging. I was part in and part out of the trees.

I emerge and felt a "Weight" tugging on my sleeve

This demon possessed thing was crawling up my arm!

Look at the size of that

Biggest bug aside from camel spiders I have every seen!
Wow! That is one nasty looking bug!
Can't say I've ever heard of it, go figure not partial to this climate.
And it sure is size large!
Sheesh.
Title: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 22, 2015, 11:47:18 PM
Reminds me of the time I walked the course behind the ropes with Lee Trevino.  While waiting on the group in front, Trevino looked up to see a vulture and remarked: "look, it's the official bird of the Sr. PGA tour!"


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on August 23, 2015, 12:06:55 AM
at least he has a sense of humor?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 23, 2015, 11:04:02 AM
I know the feeling

Can't help feeling that bird thought I was a meal!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on August 23, 2015, 11:07:55 AM
I know the feeling

Can't help feeling that bird thought I was a meal!

Vultures are guided by smell primary, sight secondary............so just don't smell dead!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on August 24, 2015, 01:14:31 PM
That is one of the gnarliest looking grubs i've ever seen!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on August 24, 2015, 01:46:32 PM
More on the topic, that's a nasty hole in the intercooler. Did it kind of self heal? Or is it leaking some like I'd expect? And is is playing havoc on engine efficiency?

Bunch of random thoughts, but could it be soldered in situ or will it need to come off.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on August 24, 2015, 02:32:52 PM
That poooor tractor. wow!

...and that's a big crawly thing no doubt!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 25, 2015, 09:44:56 AM
More on the topic, that's a nasty hole in the intercooler. Did it kind of self heal? Or is it leaking some like I'd expect? And is is playing havoc on engine efficiency?

Bunch of random thoughts, but could it be soldered in situ or will it need to come off.

It is somewhat pinched off, but leaking a bit

The engine was running hotter than normal. Turbo charge air actually cools the combustion (More air) and with the leak, no doubt has an incorrect air/fuel ratio.

I did find a ton of crap between the oil cooler and the radiator, cleaned that and the engine instantly ran cooler.

I think you could JB weld the ends closed and be done with it. Its only 20 to maybe 30 psi tops...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on August 25, 2015, 10:30:43 AM
Yeah, I bet they want a pretty penny for one of those.

If the jb doesn't work, find a rad shop that does aluminum. They can cut an access hole in the tanks, at each end of the tube, and weld it shut from the inside.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on August 25, 2015, 11:50:09 AM
Yeah, I bet they want a pretty penny for one of those.

If the jb doesn't work, find a rad shop that does aluminum. They can cut an access hole in the tanks, at each end of the tube, and weld it shut from the inside.
^ what Ken says may be the best solution as I would expect this piece of aluminum to be worth is weight in gold.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 25, 2015, 09:44:12 PM
I'm thinking tractor "fluid change"!  Don, I'm sure you can get an aftermarket intercooler and make it bigger and better.  Maybe a bigger turbo while you are at it....or compounds....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8QTprCYgD8
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: moto123 on August 26, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
Are you seriously giving him excuses to avoid starting up square d?!?  You gotta start one engine before you tear apart another!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:09:35 PM
Continued land prep down at the hide site.

It is a never ending process of maintenance like fixing the road or bush hogging and prepping the site where I will build and pushing back nature which is proving to be relentless

I managed to prep another 300 meters of road and cut back 2.5 fields from 5 foot tall weeds and grass.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:10:46 PM
Fields are getting back into shape
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:12:22 PM
The barn is in poor shape. I plan to remove the siding and use the good pieces to trim out the inside of the cabin, in a few rooms
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:14:24 PM
While clearing the land of debris and trash, I came across several old disc/plows. I hesitate to sell them for scrap iron. I wonder if they have any value as an antique??
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
Speaking of scrap metal, I trashed out that brand new bush hog wheel yoke...again!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:17:20 PM
The bush hog and tractor is starting to look "well used" Not necessarily "Used-Well!"
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
I yanked off the damaged intercooler. I'll repair it and bolt it back on next time I go down there
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: rasimmo on August 31, 2015, 10:20:11 PM
I think you would be better off building your own tail wheel yoke.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on August 31, 2015, 10:20:12 PM
Now, at least I can pretty safely drive all over the property without fear of trashing out the Chevy...which is a definite improvement.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on August 31, 2015, 10:32:14 PM
Depending on the seriousness of the corrosion in the disc bearings, they may be of use for breaking sod for garden etc. They cut stuff up pretty good when functioning properly.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on August 31, 2015, 10:43:26 PM
That's what I was thinking...put them to work, if needed ?.?.?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: OldKooT on September 01, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
Some plows have some collector value in certain areas of the country. Depends entirely on what they are and condition. Horse drawn being the usual era of some value.

As example we have two old plows as "yard art" here along with a Conestoga wagon and a old bang board wagon. They were all used/owned by my forefathers so.... yard art they are LoL

I am with Ken, straighten out lube and use that disk. Yr Dmax could pull it.

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 10:39:35 AM
Some plows have some collector value in certain areas of the country. Depends entirely on what they are and condition. Horse drawn being the usual era of some value.

As example we have two old plows as "yard art" here along with a Conestoga wagon and a old bang board wagon. They were all used/owned by my forefathers so.... yard art they are LoL

I am with Ken, straighten out lube and use that disk. Yr Dmax could pull it.


I think they may be a bit far gone...Maybe I'll check em' out closer

Plan to purchase a 3 bottom plow, a tiller, and a disc to start the growing project down there

Was thinking of putting in a couple rows of Lilac. If it doesn't melt down, then good money...If it does go Ka-Plouey, then the place will smell great in April!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: OldKooT on September 01, 2015, 10:58:17 AM
How many acres do you foresee being worked for food growth?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on September 01, 2015, 12:03:52 PM
I think they may be a bit far gone...Maybe I'll check em' out closer

Plan to purchase a 3 bottom plow, a tiller, and a disc to start the growing project down there

Was thinking of putting in a couple rows of Lilac. If it doesn't melt down, then good money...If it does go Ka-Plouey, then the place will smell great in April!

I've seen worse discs being used to break up the ground. Clean them up, check the mounts put behind the tractor and pull away. They might need a little TLC but it'll save you some money in the long run, in my opinion. Unless they are completely rotted through, and to me they don't look that bad; well in the pics anyway.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 01, 2015, 03:35:25 PM
How many acres do you foresee being worked for food growth?
It could get up to 60-70, but likely with a critter pen or two and a bigger pond, I'd keep maybe an acre for our garden then maybe 20 or so for a real food field, then the rest free roam or critter pasture
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 01, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
Mowing strategy to avoid tragedy.......don't try and mow the whole place each time!  Section fields up with 2-3 contoured parts following the perimeter/contour of each field- drop a forward gear, up your rpms - slow down and enjoy the mowing without racing to get it all in between repairs.  I used to be part of a training lease where you mowed as part of your payment to train dogs on the place.  260 acres, trees, tree lines and sculpted edges around "objectives" for the dogs to run.  Once I slowed down, I broke down less and actually spent more time mowing, less time fixing.  3 laps around everything each time out, next time 3 laps around next section inside everything cut last trip and so on- always cut roadway/paths, but bulk of fields only went totally away once/twice a season with the edges being contoured as above so that cover thin in middle field, edges grew-up tapered for wildlife etc.  Restarted every season along the tree-lines so that the tapered effect/rotation was consistent.  Lease I was at was enrolled in CRP Program, so some areas stayed uncut until the next year- not thinking you'd go that route, but you could generate cash that way if you'd want to.

IF, you should find a farmer in said area that you trust, you could arrange for them to come and cut the bulk of it for hay and save yourself some of that time and hassle- or you could hay it yourself and sell it, but equipment for such is costly, dangerous to operate/maintain and nasty hot work unless you enjoy doing it.  Another option, is to burn those fields- would bring back prairie quite quickly, with new growth producing top quality wildlife habitat and hay that a farmer might be interested in, without the cost of planting alfalfa etc. and said farmer MAY actually pay you something for taking the hay off of it.  Norm could probably give you the straight path on this tack should you be interested.

(Sorry for droning on, needed mental break from "Diabetes and You" video for work!)

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on September 01, 2015, 04:07:05 PM
Wondering... would a sickle-bar be any faster/more efficient in cutting your pastures than the brush hog?

EDIT: nevermind, answered my own question... brush hog faster/less maintenance
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on September 01, 2015, 05:21:11 PM
or you could hay it yourself and sell it, but equipment for such is costly, dangerous to operate/maintain and nasty hot work unless you enjoy doing it.  Another option, is to burn those fields- would bring back prairie quite quickly, with new growth producing top quality wildlife habitat and hay that a farmer might be interested in, without the cost of planting alfalfa etc. and said farmer MAY actually pay you something for taking the hay off of it.  Norm could probably give you the straight path on this tack should you be interested.

Yay field work.... oh wait.. I'm not falling for this again.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 01, 2015, 06:39:53 PM
or you could hay it yourself and sell it, but equipment for such is costly, dangerous to operate/maintain and nasty hot work unless you enjoy doing it.  Another option, is to burn those fields- would bring back prairie quite quickly, with new growth producing top quality wildlife habitat and hay that a farmer might be interested in, without the cost of planting alfalfa etc. and said farmer MAY actually pay you something for taking the hay off of it.  Norm could probably give you the straight path on this tack should you be interested.

Yay field work.... oh wait.. I'm not falling for this again.

That type of work taught me about the bale tossers refrigerated bottle - glass gallon jug wrapped in wet burlap set in shade - nice cool drink!  OR, I was just so hot that air temp. water tastes really cold....?  Either way, great work-out/weight loss plan..........if you're young.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on September 01, 2015, 09:06:54 PM
Hey Don when you get raisin' critters look at a rest rotation grazing system.....can carry more animals per acre an use the leftover to generate winter feed if you want.

Gotta love all us armchair quarterbacks telling you how to use YOUR land!  ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on September 02, 2015, 03:05:51 AM
That type of work taught me about the bale tossers refrigerated bottle - glass gallon jug wrapped in wet burlap set in shade - nice cool drink!  OR, I was just so hot that air temp. water tastes really cold....?  Either way, great work-out/weight loss plan..........if you're young.

Part of living in a farming area was field work.. lol
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: OldKooT on September 02, 2015, 08:33:59 AM
Few ideas...As for grazing grass for cattle using pasture here as an example... Each Steer usually requires between 1.5 and 2 acres per animal. That's managed grass pasture. Each dairy cow, right between 3.5 and 4 acres per animal. That's "managed mixed prairie grass bromegrass/wild oats) and normal rainfall amounts.

That's a rotational basis, meaning we have 4acres per animal. We rotate them between pastures depending on forage consumption and grass growth. Your local extension office will have figures for your area specific.

We mow our "brush lands" with a flail mower. Much easier on equipment than using a brush hog. Haying is these days not near the work it used to be. At least if you have equipment for round bales.  In Don's case he'd need "much" larger equipment tractor wise for such work, and lots more grass ground than he has to justify it's expense.

Putting up enough grass for winter feeding of cattle is again something your local extension office can help with, as well as area specific grass management.  I could rattle on all day but in short plan your goals around what your particular land can support.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 02, 2015, 11:06:50 AM
Good advice all.

What I envision is:
1. A fish pond, actually 2-3
2. A chicken coup
3. Two cows. Dairy/or beef, undecided
4. Two pigs
5. A horse, good sized one, like 17 hands
6. Cats
7. Several dogs

I will just kit out the place for said critters, but not bring them in except for the cats and the fish, until I move there permanently.

Coyotes, raccoon, hillbillies, and who knows what roam there now

I am just doing the big work to get the place in shape and ready to accept more growth

Also putting in apple, cherry, and pear trees. Already have black berries by the metric ton and if I could eat locust I'm be overweight through the worse famine imaginable.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 02, 2015, 11:09:36 AM
Koo-T

I like the flail mower concept. I am using a bush hog now because I am mowing trees up to around 2". Could a flail mower handle something that size or is it just for pasture weeds and grass?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: moto123 on September 02, 2015, 12:59:23 PM
Koo-T

I like the flail mower concept. I am using a bush hog now because I am mowing trees up to around 2". Could a flail mower handle something that size or is it just for pasture weeds and grass?

2" ?!?  I have always used a hand saw or chain saw for trees over 1" diameter.  If you are trying to mow them down, no wonder you keep breaking stuff on the tractor!  It must make an awful sound when it starts to cut into the 2" trees.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on September 02, 2015, 01:47:50 PM
Koo-T

I like the flail mower concept. I am using a bush hog now because I am mowing trees up to around 2". Could a flail mower handle something that size or is it just for pasture weeds and grass?

Uh-oh.....do I see a Big Yellow on the horizon?  :o

(http://www2.vermeer.com/vermeer/images/1/7768/lowres/FT300_Action12_lr.jpg)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on September 02, 2015, 02:23:20 PM
Don, you need a much larger/heavier cutter to use it as tree hog. Much larger tractor with a boom and cutter head, or skid-steer with a large flail.  Rent one, get the area cleaned up then control with the brush hog. Even with a larger cutter you still need the chain saw for 3 inch or better stuff, depending on the size of the cutter. Cut the stumps ground level and not angled or you will be buying tires.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on September 02, 2015, 02:33:25 PM
he may need some of these here implements

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FReVmzrfT0
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on September 02, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
Or use a chainsaw on the trees.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 02, 2015, 04:20:31 PM
Koo-T

I like the flail mower concept. I am using a bush hog now because I am mowing trees up to around 2". Could a flail mower handle something that size or is it just for pasture weeds and grass?

2" ?!?  I have always used a hand saw or chain saw for trees over 1" diameter.  If you are trying to mow them down, no wonder you keep breaking stuff on the tractor!  It must make an awful sound when it starts to cut into the 2" trees.
Yep, the MX-6 John Deere Rotary cutter is rated to take 2" trees!

Doesn't sound much different, just lugs the tractor and causes the turbo to blacken up the engine smoke some as the demand for additional horsepower is signaled.

I've cut this size trees with heavy duty bush hogs like this since the 1980's...Works just fine. None of that has anything to do with bending the rear wheel, that is from backing into stuff. Same with bending the rear guard.

From the Deere website:


Capacity


Cutting width
1,830 mm

72 in.

Cutting height
25 to 241 mm

1 to 9.5 in.

Cutting capacity (diameter)
50 mm

2 in.

Cutting chamber Depth
216 mm

8.5 in.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on September 02, 2015, 05:56:59 PM
Good discussion. I am learning. After this summers fires and the ongoing dry weather I am cutting back the tree's around the house/shop. Borrowed a friends box blade to break up the roots/coarse grass. Much more to do but then will need a brush hog to maintain it as Willows come back quick. Need to lay out some fire line protection too. The brush hog I looked at only was rated 1.5" not 2" like Don's. Time for more shopping.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 11:24:26 AM
Good discussion. I am learning. After this summers fires and the ongoing dry weather I am cutting back the tree's around the house/shop. Borrowed a friends box blade to break up the roots/coarse grass. Much more to do but then will need a brush hog to maintain it as Willows come back quick. Need to lay out some fire line protection too. The brush hog I looked at only was rated 1.5" not 2" like Don's. Time for more shopping.
Go to the heavy duty models
Everyone buys cheapo bush hogs because they are inexpensive
But they don't last
Get a full on unit with a big gearbox, clutch, thick steel and so forth.
They can be spendy, but you will only have to buy one!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 11:33:32 AM
So, in-between projects, this week is way too hot to be sanding on big red
And I don't want to get into another SquareD project until I get the loader painted up and shipped to the farm
So, back on the Privy build which has sat dormant since I framed and roofed it
But that changed. I skinned it with T-111 which made it more private!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 11:34:51 AM
The boys have been busy, I see!

Mis-matching socks and of course, underwear around his neck!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 11:36:32 AM
Coming around
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 11:37:20 AM
Windows too small?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 11:37:59 AM
OK, I enlarged them some
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 11:38:44 AM
Seems like that dog will hunt!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 11:56:12 AM
Almost ready for 1st coat of paint!

Still needing a door, trim and windows, along with a vent pipe and some cool interior stuff
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on September 04, 2015, 02:18:30 PM
Looking good there Don!
You know, you could work on some of those little naggy punch list items and start up Square D!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on September 04, 2015, 03:14:17 PM
The boys have been busy, I see!

Mis-matching socks and of course, underwear around his neck!

Haha....why is it that when manly dogs get "dressed up" by the family all have that sad "why are they doing this to me?" look? too funny.

Hey Don can you mount the window under the T-111? Not sure if you permanent mounted the T-111 in the pic or just had it tacked in for fit. Less leakage that way. But maybe I'm just being stoopid.

Looks good to me....keep a can of dirt in their to cover the "damage" and it should be good. Not sure how you're going to orient it on the property but I like being able to keep the door open and maybe have a cigar and look out over some wilderness if I have a chance. Just a thought. 

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 03:59:05 PM
Man, the start 'er up crowd is following me here to...No place left to hide out on this site!

Naw, I need to get some nagging things out of the way. Woman wants to start going down to the farm so the privy is all of a sudden a priority.

So I finished "Skinning" it today
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
I closed off the front, but left room for a vent behind "The Business"

With the "Half-Moon" in the door and that vent higher in the back, my hope is that certain gasses will rise and float harmlessly to the outside.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:02:27 PM
Next up is the painting. The whole thing got cleaned up some, all except the floor, which is a mess at the moment
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:04:53 PM
My dad made this shelf thing many years ago. It was stored along with some other things he built. So I decided to put it to good use. I will clean it, paint it and mount it permanently in the Privy.

I actually think he'd get a kick from that thing sitting in an out-house!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
The dogs were at the ready. The black one stays close as he develops that shepherd protection instinct. The red dog is looking for a tool to snag off the job site...I baited it with a walnut shell, and it worked!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:08:08 PM
I am using some of Sherwin Williams very best exterior paint. We get a substantial discount, but it still costs a bunch.

I'll also try out this portable HVLP sprayer
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:11:57 PM
The bare panel

then a single spray line

then an area

then the whole panel with one coat only.

I later discovered the stuff comes out much better after being thinned a bit with water
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:13:09 PM
And the whole thing after 2 coats
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:14:45 PM
The king and queens seat and the knick-nack shelf
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:16:30 PM
I got the first coat of Afghani dust storm beige sprayed on the interior also
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 04, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
I marked my right foot for quick reference!

The dog already chewed up the left shoe...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on September 04, 2015, 04:35:14 PM
Don, not sure what your vent plans are.
Here is what I did in our new one.
A preview of things yet to come of sorts.

One site I read from suggested a small diameter fresh air supply and a larger vent.
Now my new privy is too new to tell if it works, but the only scent at the moment is cedar.
Large vent at top of 'tank', smaller about six inches below.

(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m605/sammconn/Cabin/outhouse/84D6E33D-D60D-49B2-A70D-EF39B5886A7E.jpg) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sammconn/media/Cabin/outhouse/84D6E33D-D60D-49B2-A70D-EF39B5886A7E.jpg.html)

(http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m605/sammconn/Cabin/outhouse/F276EF15-A297-422B-A39D-ECDB5E7D52F7.jpg) (http://s1134.photobucket.com/user/sammconn/media/Cabin/outhouse/F276EF15-A297-422B-A39D-ECDB5E7D52F7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on September 04, 2015, 06:36:55 PM

Man, the start 'er up crowd is following me here to...No place left to hide out on this site!

Could throw up a read-only board for everyone but you, problem solved bahaha


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: akraven on September 04, 2015, 07:06:52 PM
Go to the heavy duty models
Everyone buys cheapo bush hogs because they are inexpensive
But they don't last
Get a full on unit with a big gearbox, clutch, thick steel and so forth.
They can be spendy, but you will only have to buy one!

Thanks for the info Don.Unless I ship one up I only have a couple of places to pick from. We have limited agriculture so limited dealers. I will shop them all and see what I can find.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on September 05, 2015, 11:45:56 AM
I just had a good laugh this morning.

New John Deere commercial..."To make sure people don't break JD tractors on accident, we try to break JD tractors on purpose".

I should send corporate a link to this thread.

hahahhahahhaha
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: OldKooT on September 05, 2015, 01:51:50 PM
Funny that brush hog isn't breaking sheer pins. Must have softer tree's down your way.

The flail mower can handle heavier brush, but I really only use it for thick prairie grass. I have a tree shear for the skid loader for quick pasture clearing. The process is to cut the tree, apply some Tordon to the stump, and on to the next one.







Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 05, 2015, 07:47:37 PM
Don I'm not a fan of t-111. Make sure you keep it well coated with paint. I do like the color!  :thumb


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on September 05, 2015, 07:52:29 PM
I was expecting OD paint.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on September 06, 2015, 12:08:55 AM
If the T111 is regular ply you should seal/prime it really. OSB T111 (which I like) is pre primed (used on my garage) still looks good unpainted!

Niether is really T111, that stuff is nasty and hates moisture of any kind!

Maybe a solar panel up there for a fan and light? Heck that and an old sealed battery would last for years.

Oh, went fishing last week with the boys and saw a nice weathered privy out there;
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:21:10 AM
If the T111 is regular ply you should seal/prime it really. OSB T111 (which I like) is pre primed (used on my garage) still looks good unpainted!

Niether is really T111, that stuff is nasty and hates moisture of any kind!

Maybe a solar panel up there for a fan and light? Heck that and an old sealed battery would last for years.

Oh, went fishing last week with the boys and saw a nice weathered privy out there;
It has the good T-111
It got great paint
Privy is going to get a solar panel (thanks Ash) and lights
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:25:53 AM
Speaking of it, worked on most of the day Saturday

Sprayed a second coat of paint onto the inside
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:26:29 AM
And another coat on the seat parts
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:27:58 AM
Next I cut out some door and window trim pieces. Since the ladies will use this and I do not currently have "Porcelain" down there, I am "girlying" it up a bit
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:28:33 AM
Shelf thing mounted
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
And the top seat parts...should have mounted to side board first, but I neglected to paint it, so it was drying at this time...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:30:40 AM
Started on the roof trim
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:31:19 AM
Mounted the windows and trimmed them out
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:33:54 AM
I had to fill in the gaps with some scrap, but got the trim pieces up around the door
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:35:04 AM
I started on the eve trim. Here they are tacked in. At present I added some "Gingerbread" and painted them with the 1st coat.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 09:36:56 AM
The day was waning and my back was sore...Did I mention I am volunteering at a thing called "The 99" as a security guard at church, which has me standing for 6 hours!

Yep, my back is sore...

So this is how far I got today
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on September 06, 2015, 10:16:47 AM
Looks great! I am sure the women will appreciate the work you put into it.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 08:11:31 PM
Bit more done today after the church. Wife and kiddies went to the pool, I made a pool of sweat on this thing!

Lower part of enclosure installed:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 08:12:24 PM
Then a trim piece on the bottom to help "Weatherize" it some
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 08:13:40 PM
Next I cut out all the corner trim pieces and painted them with two coats, and while all that was drying, screwed up the roof trim boards
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 08:15:51 PM
Looks kind of Christmas-e doesn't it?

Have to build the door, and do something to the floor, add in the vent pipe, and roof it, then it will get deployed to it's new spot on the farm.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 08:16:47 PM
Not too far off the design Nate found the plans for...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 06, 2015, 08:52:41 PM
Just a thought, but you might want to wait and shingle it on site- tar paper and shingles might last longer if not flapping in the breeze hauling it down there.

Looks really nice Don, might not be so nice if the much talked about Chili Cook-off ever happens....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 06, 2015, 10:45:20 PM
Looks really nice Don, might not be so nice if the much talked about Chili Cook-off ever happens....
That might push it's limits

If we had a get together at the farm, everyone would have to visit the "Little Red House," Drive Big Red, Drive Square D, shoot that shotgun we all own, maybe drink some shine from Larry...OOH, did I say that...??
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 06, 2015, 10:46:46 PM
Get you a couple pieces of R Panel cut and roof it once and forget it.  I have green R panel on my weekend place roof and the shop walls.  Its not that expensive and they cut it to your exact length

Also, I expect to see a holster on the right hand side of the privy.....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on September 07, 2015, 12:04:11 AM
Well, with that split door you can at least see while your leaving your load and have a place to rest the barrel!

Very nice work, but would SD really be running??
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 07, 2015, 08:51:17 AM
Looks really nice Don, might not be so nice if the much talked about Chili Cook-off ever happens....
That might push it's limits

If we had a get together at the farm, everyone would have to visit the "Little Red House," Drive Big Red, Drive Square D, shoot that shotgun we all own, maybe drink some shine from Larry...OOH, did I say that...??

And that is WHY we want to have a chili cook-off......we want you to go all Tom Sawyer on us....."um' I don't think you knuckleheads can clear them woods there, nor are any of you very good at mowin' or driving a dozer......can't cook......you'll never eat all that.....bet you can't take a pull of that shine without blinkin'" [Challenges from The Book of Don]
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:34:09 AM
^^^Funny!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on September 07, 2015, 09:42:05 AM
May i recommend putting a piece of flashing on the inside of that front covering to help protect the wood from urine and to help direct it to the hole.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:44:10 AM
May i recommend putting a piece of flashing on the inside of that front covering to help protect the wood from urine and to help direct it to the hole.
Good idea Nate
I just primed the heck out of it. but I think a longer piece of plastic should do the trick.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 07, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
May i recommend putting a piece of flashing on the inside of that front covering to help protect the wood from urine and to help direct it to the hole.

Good point there Nate- might go one further and make an oblong sleeve two foot down or so to keep the Brown Recluse population below the zone of the under caridge- those are nasty, necrotic wounds!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:51:29 AM
May i recommend putting a piece of flashing on the inside of that front covering to help protect the wood from urine and to help direct it to the hole.

Good point there Nate- might go one further and make an oblong sleeve two foot down or so to keep the Brown Recluse population below the zone of the under caridge- those are nasty, necrotic wounds!
Yea...
I plan to use a soil bound persistent insecticide around the perimeter, and glue traps here and there just out of sight. I hope to seal it well to the ground to keep insect infiltration down as much as possible
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 07, 2015, 07:04:49 PM
ohh, man you didn't just go there did you??  I had a friend who had a BR bite on the inner thigh right next to the jewels.  He had a heck of a time with that bite and it scared him being so close to the jewels.  In hind site, the world would probably be better off had he NOT procreated....the benefit of 30 years of hindsight.

BTW, Don, did the bumper get painted and installed....?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on September 07, 2015, 07:48:39 PM
Haha. You guys are ruthless.


So, does it run yet?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on September 07, 2015, 08:50:17 PM

BTW, Don, did the bumper get painted and installed....?
I seem to think it did.
I'm a little out of the loop for the next coue weeks so will be checking in when I can.
At the national shoot again!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:42:44 PM
Not running yet

Will be when I get back on it.

Hide site work today, starting painting Big Red tomorrow. After that sucker gets painted I'll be back on the truck and the engine and getting it running is next up.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:53:48 PM
Woman is not happy with the Christmas colors of the Privy. I have to admit, I went to get a hunter green and ended up with the evergreen thing. And, the wife donated the gallon of red which she just used to paint the door on the give-away house. It was Way too red. I was going for pastels but got neon instead. She says she'll repaint it...COOL!

So back down there again today hammering away at the main road in. Got some graded in and a ton of more trees torn down.

I can't say enough good stuff about having a 4-1 bucket and a tractor with enough oomph to yank stuff around. I started just yanking those cedars out of the ground. First I break them in half about eight feet up, then lower the pack-man mouth over, close the jaw and reverse out, yanking the whole thing out of the ground

Oh, BTW, the epoxy intercooler repair turned out great. Works fine!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:55:12 PM
Kat snapped some pics of me wasting the old overgrown chicken coop
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:55:50 PM
^^ Cell phone pics all sideways lookin!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:57:35 PM
Still clearing stuff out

Here goes an old stacked stone grill
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 07, 2015, 09:59:41 PM
We had a good day
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on September 07, 2015, 10:04:08 PM
Coming right along. Nothing like working on your own stuff at your own place.  Especially with big tools and equipment.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 08, 2015, 08:53:09 AM
Coming right along. Nothing like working on your own stuff at your own place.  Especially with big tools and equipment.
Yessir
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: moto123 on September 08, 2015, 02:05:14 PM
That's a real nice swiss ski chalet you built there!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on September 08, 2015, 03:44:11 PM
Woman is not happy with the Christmas colors of the Privy.

She says she'll repaint it...COOL!


This going to be a simple repaint, or a repeat of the house painting you've mention a few times before?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 08, 2015, 04:58:21 PM
I was thinking that it was starting to look a bit like the guard shacks outside Buckingham Palace- Don needs a big black fuzzy hat and a shiny bayonet for his "post"
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on September 08, 2015, 05:31:35 PM
I, for one, really like it. I just wish I had the property to go with it.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on September 08, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
I was thinking that it was starting to look a bit like the guard shacks outside Buckingham Palace- Don needs a big black fuzzy hat and a shiny bayonet for his "post"

HAHAHA!!!!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on September 08, 2015, 07:06:30 PM
Looks really nice Don, might not be so nice if the much talked about Chili Cook-off ever happens....
That might push it's limits

If we had a get together at the farm, everyone would have to visit the "Little Red House," Drive Big Red, Drive Square D, shoot that shotgun we all own, maybe drink some shine from Larry...OOH, did I say that...??

It's all shined up and waiting for the day sir. looking good there.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 08, 2015, 10:05:53 PM
we want to see SD start up, not the maiden voyage of the christening of the privy....just to be clear.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 08, 2015, 10:54:44 PM
I'll clarify that one further- we want to personally christen the privy, after the chili cookoff!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 09, 2015, 09:00:53 AM
I, for one, really like it. I just wish I had the property to go with it.
Thank you Kenneth!

You are a wise man with vision floating about in a sea of debauchery and foolery!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 09, 2015, 09:01:32 AM
we want to see SD start up, not the maiden voyage of the christening of the privy....just to be clear.
RN, what exactly are you saying? ??? :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 09, 2015, 09:03:44 AM
I'll clarify that one further- we want to personally christen the privy, after the chili cookoff!
Of course!

Just remember to use the beach bucket and spade to sprinkle in some charcoal over the business!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 09, 2015, 09:06:52 AM
I was thinking that it was starting to look a bit like the guard shacks outside Buckingham Palace- Don needs a big black fuzzy hat and a shiny bayonet for his "post"
Yea, sorta agree on that one,

Except for me it looks like it should be at the Kris Cringle Market with a life-size "Nutcracker" soldier standing outside. Maybe I'll add one to the inside somewhere.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on September 09, 2015, 11:23:11 AM
Don, way too much time wasted here that could be spent firing up an engine.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 09, 2015, 06:04:05 PM
Don, way too much time wasted here that could be spent firing up an engine.
I'm gonna get to it, don't worry

I need that crawler down at the place to get the pond dug in and a berm pushed up in a couple spots to get the rifle and pistol ranges up and running.
Wife wants this big pond with what will look like the grand coulee dam impounding the million acre-feet of water!.
But as soon as Sarge gets finished and shipped, I'll see what it takes to get the built P-Pump to make some noise.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 09, 2015, 10:01:13 PM
First it was "as soon as the bumper gets painted and installed", now its "as soon as Sarge gets finished and shipped"  Next it will be as soon as Obama becomes a conservative....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on September 09, 2015, 10:50:17 PM
I actually had to quote him in my sig on that last one

                           V V V V V V V V
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 10, 2015, 08:36:37 AM
First it was "as soon as the bumper gets painted and installed", now its "as soon as Sarge gets finished and shipped"  Next it will be as soon as Obama becomes a conservative....
Sorry to mislead, not intended
I look at things as linear, however segmented. So the SquareD project which is dormant at the moment, pick right back up where I left off. There are several things needing attention, like getting the hide site more livable, new toilet seats, pulling weeds around Casa number momma and so forth. So when I get done with this ankle biter, I am right back on Square D and it will run!

Weird how all of you are so anxious to see that truck run...and I'm not...weird!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 10, 2015, 09:33:43 AM
Think of it as a big stick poke Don...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 10, 2015, 09:43:32 AM
COME ON, we gotta give Don a break, he was in the military, where the concept of "Hurry UP and Wait" was founded........Square D-Day will come and we'll all be liberated, and have to go back to entertaining ourselves by junking up some other thread!  LOL  :o
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on September 10, 2015, 10:30:31 AM
Yeah, I don't know what we will do when he actually fires that thing off. Probably get the zanex script refilled, then start bugging norm on his build.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on September 10, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
you might have to actually go back to work at your own shop ken?

by the way, what was the final outcome of your radiator issue?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on September 10, 2015, 08:55:21 PM
Found a new one at a dealer 30 miles away. I made a list of tools, was going to change it out in the woods, got lazy, then paid the dealer to change it, drove to camp, and fixed everything they did wrong. Cost me a grand...that's how it went.

Oh, no one in the mountain towns had the fan shroud piece that started this mess, so I had to take it (mostly) back apart when I got home, and replace the engine mounted shroud (another $100). uggg

Good news tho, got efi live this week (I had H&S). :)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on September 11, 2015, 01:59:43 PM
can you imagine sitting down to do your duty and having that looking back at you?? Get done quick,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Now as there something about an engine running somewhere?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 24, 2015, 07:37:55 PM
I've had a super busy summer, but have gotten a lot of things done. Cold and rainy weather will soon be pressing in so while things have settled down a bit, I want to get the Privy completed and sitting down on the farm over a suitably sized hole

THe comments about the nutcracker guard house and Christmas and all that must have affected the MRS.

She showed up the other day with a few gallong of Sherwin Williams paint. A rust-red and a more olive and grayish green.

So I knocked that out today...Privy is repainted, almost. Trim needs to be taped off and get a second coat.

Before:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 24, 2015, 07:40:04 PM
After the red change, however Christmas tree green is still showing:
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 24, 2015, 07:40:47 PM
The green is closer to the pics Nate sent me which started this whole thing
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 24, 2015, 07:41:51 PM
Changing color:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 24, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
And changed:


The Ranger is never far away! Tried to eat up Duane today!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 24, 2015, 08:02:36 PM
Suprised you didnt go multicam....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on September 24, 2015, 08:25:45 PM
I like the more subdued colors....more appropriate for a privy and less carnival looking in my mind. :) Not that you're trying to keep me happy! Ha! :o
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 24, 2015, 08:46:54 PM
I like the more subdued colors....more appropriate for a privy and less carnival looking in my mind. :) Not that you're trying to keep me happy! Ha! :o
For the wife...You know the deal...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on September 25, 2015, 04:07:20 AM
Ranger is getting big, but still has that puppy look.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 25, 2015, 06:44:33 AM
Good looking pooch and better paint- Duane wasn't dressed as a screw driver or hammer was he?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on September 25, 2015, 10:22:42 AM
Looks good either way.

Duane's been dark for a while now...everything good over there?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 25, 2015, 08:00:51 PM
He's had some challenges
His lane, he can chat it up if he decides to...

I named the Privy:

It will be the honorary

John H. Crapper

Rest and relaxation center

Or J.C. for short
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 25, 2015, 10:15:01 PM
Why not the
Boehner John?


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 25, 2015, 10:36:11 PM
Why not the
Boehner John?


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Depends on what sort of secret deals he did with the administration that won't show up for awhile...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 03:18:52 PM
Built the double door setup out of #3 1 X 10 pine boards finally

Concept remains true to the plans, to build two half doors so that one can enjoy the view while studying so to speak
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 03:20:25 PM
By ripping down the boards so that 4 boards spanned the width, I liberated the trim pieces as well
The 4 independent boards were glued and clamped together to form a panel
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 03:21:35 PM
I did a surround on both sides around the perimeter, gluing each piece, then I ran screws all the way through all three boards making it fairly strong
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
The inside is finished out like this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 03:23:48 PM
On the lower door, outside I did some bracing and strengthing
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 03:24:16 PM
It fits approximately like this:
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Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 03:25:12 PM
On the outside of the upper door, I did something to serve as a reminder of how to best use the time spent inside!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on September 29, 2015, 03:53:23 PM
Thats pretty cool!
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Post by: KensAuto on September 29, 2015, 04:06:58 PM
Thats pretty cool!
Yes !!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on September 29, 2015, 04:17:29 PM
Looking good Don!

I wish, I didn't need insulation vapour barrier and a tight building, and heat!
Like the subdued tones of the new paint also.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 04:55:42 PM
Looking good Don!

I wish, I didn't need insulation vapour barrier and a tight building, and heat!
Like the subdued tones of the new paint also.
The colors Kat picked are more like the ones on that Privy design from the Canada
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 04:59:50 PM
Ever notice how Americans forget the state/provience when naming a place in Canada?

I made that mistake a few times...Used to fly up to Toronto maybe 2-3 times a week for years.

Ladies and gents, welcome aboard Comair flight 538 to Toronto, Canada"

Same as saying Los Angles, United States.

Toronto, Ontario I was corrected by a Canadian lady after landing one day. Learned me proper, she did...then it was off to that great buffet restaurant near the airport.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on September 29, 2015, 06:03:04 PM
Lookin real good there. happy wife happy life.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 06:14:50 PM
Thanks Tate!

Just sanded the inside of the doors. Decided to go 'au-naturel with the finish. All they got was a good sanding and two coats of polyurethane
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 29, 2015, 08:21:08 PM
Are those paw prints?  Like the doors and the cross-
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 29, 2015, 11:53:55 PM
Are those paw prints?  Like the doors and the cross-
Naw Mike, just reflection, but this is what is left from my brand new, never used filter wrap:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on September 29, 2015, 11:58:36 PM
Oh no! The Red dog has been up to no good again!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 30, 2015, 12:01:16 AM
Oh no! The Red dog has been up to no good again!
I actually think it is the black one this time.

Red dog has been outside mostly digging up my year. It's like Omaha beach during the D-day landings out back. We got invaded by moles. Literally came in from three different directions. Dogs have been digging up the entire tunnel system. I am just going to buy a truckload of dirt and start those areas over again. I'm gonna use that red dog as fertilizer!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on September 30, 2015, 01:15:23 AM
What, no gun ports on the door,,,,,,,,,,

Red dog is training the Black dog??
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on September 30, 2015, 03:18:41 AM
I actually think it is the black one this time.

That's black dog's way of saying "better step of the playing/exercise time."
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 30, 2015, 07:23:56 AM
I would have thought you'd have rigged up some fougasse for the moles...

Crispy fried mole....mmm
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on September 30, 2015, 09:08:13 AM
Go on poop patrol, it'll give the offender away!  Neon foam tends to stay in it's original form-
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 30, 2015, 10:11:33 AM
I would have thought you'd have rigged up some fougasse for the moles...

Crispy fried mole....mmm
Well...I thought about it...About the same time I was watching all those forest fire vids from out west...just sayin'
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cruizng on September 30, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
Don,

I have one of these and it works really well. Plus you get to BLOW THINGS UP!!   :o

http://varmitgetter.com/video-gallery/general-video

Let me know and I can send it down to you. You already have the Oxy and Propane. It works better in dry dirt. My front couple of acres that they like is ex marshland. You have to wait until it dries out so it doesn't soak up the gas. 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on September 30, 2015, 10:37:28 AM
That's a way cooler and more sophisticated way of getting results. I used to uncover all the mounds, drop a cup of Coleman fuel in each and wait about 5 min for the fumes to settle down in the burrows, then drop one match and watch all the holes pop smoke. if it doesn't burn em out, it sucks all the oxygen out of the tunnel system. Usually works.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on September 30, 2015, 10:52:30 AM
Yea, I need to get serious. I have a major problem here. Dammed things and the dogs digging at them have literally destroyed my once beautiful yard in the back
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on September 30, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
Moles....... sends a shivver down my spine when that wretched name is uttered every time....

My grampa sits in a lawn chair with his 410 and waits for movement, and is surprisingly very successful that way.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on September 30, 2015, 11:21:48 AM
I used to uncover all the mounds, drop a cup of Coleman fuel in each and wait about 5 min for the fumes to settle down in the burrows, then drop one match and watch all the holes pop smoke.

I have used gas for moles and yellowjackets. VERY effective for sure. Although one time I used a bit more than I probably should have....had a section of ground about 20x40 lift up about a foot in the air and settle back down in the *Boom/Whoosh*.  :o The yellowjackets I go after with reckless abandon (I am allergic)....had one burn for about an hour one night....every 30 seconds or so fire would roar out of the hole about a foot high....then settle back down and just flicker....then flare again. Took a long time to burn that nest out. I hate all those bast***s!  >:(
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2015, 07:13:12 PM
Built some stuff for the Privy today. Still have to hang the doors, roof it, build a vent and finish painting. Then F I N A L L Y it will be ready for a hole somewhere.

Made this shelf for the inside of the upper door
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2015, 07:13:44 PM
And a coat rack
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2015, 07:15:05 PM
Built the paper holder
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Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2015, 07:16:41 PM
Then painted all that and 5 shelves with two coats (On one side) with that new red
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2015, 07:17:34 PM
Painted some stuff green as well
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 02, 2015, 09:10:49 PM
Where is the quoffee pot?!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2015, 10:25:19 PM
Where is the quoffee pot?!
Not in there!

But if the early morning quoffee is working properly, there is a shelf for the mug while one studies
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on October 02, 2015, 10:34:58 PM
^ haha you beat me to it


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on October 03, 2015, 01:01:28 AM
Coffee in the privy is a must.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2015, 09:13:52 AM
Coffee in the privy is a must.

You and I see eye to eye on most things

This wouldn't be one of them!

CM
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on October 03, 2015, 10:32:00 AM
Correction: A privy to 'drop off' some coffee is a must! :D


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on October 03, 2015, 10:36:52 AM
Correction: A privy to 'drop off' some coffee is a must! :D


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True once he gets all the trees and brush cut down.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 03, 2015, 10:59:39 AM
Correction: A privy to 'drop off' some coffee is a must! :D


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True once he gets all the trees and brush cut down.
Oh, it's ah' comin' down!

Dag-gone rain from that hurricane is messin' with my plans!

Planned to get a couple days riding the DR650 down to the farm, werkin 8 hours then ridin' back. Kill two write-ups with one day.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on October 03, 2015, 11:17:15 AM
Two words. Rain Jacket.:)



Shop cleaning day for myself. Looks like your hurricane went though Az before heading east.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 03, 2015, 12:56:08 PM
Send some rain this way.  My weekend place has only had about 1/4 inch of rain in 14 weeks.

Like Don's bed making, I have a regimented schedule in the morning.

Arise, immediately to the coffee pot.  Followed by taking my coffee to the privy where I do some quality thinking about the day ahead and get caught up on some news.

Lord help anyone who interrupts that routine in the morning....I'm sub human until I emerge...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on October 03, 2015, 01:15:24 PM
from this point forward this action shal be know as a class 1 download..........;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 03, 2015, 10:13:43 PM
 Wouldn't that be class "2"?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on October 03, 2015, 10:42:48 PM
Wouldn't that be class "2"?
I was thinking the same! Lol.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 03, 2015, 10:54:36 PM
At work we just say its time to go "make a deposit"
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on October 04, 2015, 10:24:29 AM
class 1 in the military is chow, so when eating that would be a class 1 intake/upload/etc and the other would be a class 1 download........;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2015, 09:38:07 PM
Good work day today. No rain and low 70's.

We worked on the access road all day long removing all kinds of brush, trees, branches, and leveling the heavily "Humped" sections.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2015, 09:40:24 PM
Found this yellow jacket nest pretty quick. As I drove past it, they stirred up, which alerted my unknowing Ranger dog. He stuck his nose in there and of course they ate him up. Ate up one of the pre-rangers too...Pics don't seem to show the swarm of bees buzzing about
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2015, 09:42:49 PM
Starting to open up some more
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2015, 09:45:04 PM
The day was not without tractor carnage. I busted a fitting to the 4/1 clamshell bucket cylinders.

No worries, I'm getting fast at replacing these lines
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2015, 09:46:07 PM
The place continues to look better and better with each visit
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on October 06, 2015, 01:21:35 AM
Nice
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 06, 2015, 07:13:54 AM
Yellow Jackets! 

You should have said to the pre-Rangers...."son, it could have been worse. it could have been me"!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on October 06, 2015, 09:04:51 AM
It is looking better and better.  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 06, 2015, 09:51:35 AM
This morning I am in the office here drinkin' my quoffee and reading all this sensless babble on the site when one of the pre-rangers comes in. "Dad, I slept like a rock last night!" "Son, why was that?" "I think it was because you worked us like dogs on the farm yesterday."

Yup...He's learning

And he ended the day with putting a few rounds downrange while I pined over my broken tractor.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on October 06, 2015, 10:33:28 AM
Sounds like he's goin to turn out just fine. Good for you (and them).
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on October 06, 2015, 10:37:12 AM
That's how the best lessons are learned.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 07, 2015, 11:13:47 AM
That's how the best lessons are learned.
Yep...and some more in sweaty smellin' aircraft, and in tank turrets and in the middle of a soaking rain sitting in a hole in the ground...Good lessons in places like that too!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 07, 2015, 11:15:38 AM
Yesterday I had Ansen over at Parker hose build me up a couple new (And shorter) 1/4" hydraulic lines. When I get down to farm proper, I'll be FMC in about 10 minutes!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on October 07, 2015, 12:01:02 PM
Arise, immediately to the coffee pot.  Followed by taking my coffee to the privy where I do some quality thinking about the day ahead and get caught up on some news.

Lord help anyone who interrupts that routine in the morning....I'm sub human until I emerge...

Here, here!!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 07, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Privy pics

Getting some color!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 07, 2015, 05:50:13 PM
Shelving and things going in
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 07, 2015, 07:13:21 PM
That's museum quality


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on October 07, 2015, 08:51:52 PM
It sure aint a crappy job.



BD Edit: ^^^There, fixed it!


Yet...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on October 08, 2015, 07:11:26 PM
Might try a 90 degree fittin (no g) on those line next time.  Might help.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 10, 2015, 10:22:54 PM
Out at the place all day long
I feel about as smoked as a cheap cigar!

Man, I'm tired. Great day though, got down to 47 so great weather to work hard. Was hustling the big chain saw since I bush hogged the small one up. Cut a bunch of cedar trees along the road into the site. Out of 7/10 of a mile of "Driveway" I now have it cleared down to maybe 200 meters remaining. One long day should do it and be open enough for trucks, the camper, whatever.

I have been back dragging the road while I go and have improved it immensely! Had a visit from the neighbor today. He said the road and the farm is in the best shape he has ever seen it in the past 15 years.

I started with replacing the too long and defective  hydraulic bucket lines and the new shorter ones did the trick. Then with a bucket full of rocks and swing around a turn going backward, I managed to pop the tire off the rim on the front!

But after some wrestling and a prayer, God literally fixed that thing.
Not kidding. Had the 12 volt mini compressor hooked up and pumping. Gage was steady at about 4.5psi. Wouldn't budge past that. I said a short prayer, "Please Father God, inflate this tire." And instantly...like the same instant I stopped praying the gage started to rise! My boys witnessed it too. They said they wanted to share the story in church tomorrow. Pumped it up to around 40, and finished the day with it

Sweet!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 10, 2015, 10:27:51 PM
Awesome report there Big D!  Glad your boys were there to witness Gods hand too!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on October 11, 2015, 02:24:48 AM
Any good pics to show. Been lean on those here.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on October 11, 2015, 09:01:26 AM
Any good pics to show. Been lean on those here.
Naw, left the camera in the truck while I was working
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dustoff35 on November 21, 2015, 11:28:25 AM
Stopped down at the farm yesterday to dump some corn, place some cameras and prep a few stands / blinds.  The drive is much improved and the fields look great.   :) :) :)

I'll retrieve some pics Wednesday and post 'em up if there are any deer worthy of it.   
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 21, 2015, 12:21:44 PM
Hopefully there's a few. We need some fresh pics around here....and from Duane to boot!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 21, 2015, 12:40:46 PM
Hopefully there's a few. We need some fresh pics around here....and from Duane to boot!
Well, there has been some drama
I don't tell all sometimes as, well it's my personal business
Well, you have all noted I was improving the road, really just trimming away branches and leveling low spots which stay wet through the winter months

To get to my property, I need to cross two other properties. That "Road" crosses both properties. Well I got an email maybe a month and a half ago saying I have ruined the property and I am not to trespass. I just got that resolved, just a simple written agreement was all that was needed, and there was the "heat of the moment" component to his email...
Well two weeks ago I get this letter from the attorney, yes the attorney for land owner #2. He is making fantastic claims about me filling in a pond which isn't even a pond, and I dumped nothing into that hole! And my cutting "Valuable" trees. Those cedars might be worth $5 each, but more likely $1.30 ea. and a lot of them were dead anyway. He claimed I had "Ripped: branches literally right off the tree, which is 100% accurate, as if that's bad in some way, and that I was just a bully and had "Assaulted" his property for the last time.
He told me I may not "Trespass" on his property (The road) any more!
So as you may imagine, it has been dicey for me going back there and that's why there hasn't been any action.
But my attorney advises me to keep going back there and we'll fight it out in court if necessary.
The good part is that when I file the law suit for "Prescriptive easement" I also get to place a legal order on his property, which just happens to be for sale at the moment. That action will state to any perspective buyer that this property has a law suit pending and is subject to the result of that suit!

Yep, wanna get down in the mud and wrestle, well, I'm your guy. I work just as well in a fight as I do at peace!
In the end I will likely purchase his property for a fair price and own 160 more acres. My overall plan is to also purchase the 78 behind me and the 60 alongside the road to make it a cozy 390 acres. I will be a couple miles deep and maybe a mile wide.
That place is going to be a place where we train fathers and sons and daughters in the skillsets they will need in the future all bathed in a strong Christian setting.
I envision cabins set in the woods along trails, ponds, fields, hiking trails, courses for 4WD trucks, jeeps and bikes, some critters, and a central area where we will burn bon fires and have prayer meetings as well.
This is all just a part of that process I think...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on November 21, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
Will add it to the list to pray over.........
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 21, 2015, 02:22:02 PM
Will add it to the list to pray over.........
I will as well.

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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 21, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
That was unexpected...Thank you gentlemen!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on November 21, 2015, 05:04:23 PM
I think your approach makes sense Don. It really sucks how some people look at things and approach them (getting lawyers involved before coming to have a chat). I had some similar nonsense with people crossing my property to get to the pond behind our house. My first response was nice and when one moron pushed back I just hammered him. So much BS out there some times. I will say a prayer that this ends well for you at a minimum of cost and aggravation.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 21, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
I think your approach makes sense Don. It really sucks how some people look at things and approach them (getting lawyers involved before coming to have a chat). I had some similar nonsense with people crossing my property to get to the pond behind our house. My first response was nice and when one moron pushed back I just hammered him. So much BS out there some times. I will say a prayer that this ends well for you at a minimum of cost and aggravation.
Thanks Wil,

I have prayed over this so I'm G-T-G. The answer will come.
Discouraging having to battle a hateful person? Sure, but Jesus has this, that farm is his. If he wants to make more of it, he will.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on November 21, 2015, 08:02:01 PM
and that I was just a bully and had "Assaulted" his property for the last time.

 ???

I can think of a few ways to assault property, but clearing some trees and etc off YOUR land isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bob Smith on November 21, 2015, 09:11:16 PM
You did have a 15ft or so wide road easement across the non owned land didn't you?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on November 22, 2015, 12:54:47 AM

The good part is that when I file the law suit for "Prescriptive easement" I also get to place a legal order on his property, which just happens to be for sale at the moment. That action will state to any perspective buyer that this property has a law suit pending and is subject to the result of that suit!

Yep, wanna get down in the mud and wrestle, well, I'm your guy. I work just as well in a fight as I do at peace!

Mess with the bull, ya get the horns


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on November 22, 2015, 01:32:23 AM
Easements are always fun. People think they are all mighty and really have few if any rights.

Once the easement is established, little the real owner can do.

Be patient,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on November 22, 2015, 08:17:06 AM
You did have a 15ft or so wide road easement across the non owned land didn't you?
He wanted to  limit me to just 8 feet

I argued that my truck is nearly that wide, my camper wouldn't fit and neither would an ambulance.
He is a jerk and a control guy, It is really about the "Control" thing over someone else I think.
I have an easement on my property to another farm. I allow those guys to do whatever they feel they need to it...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on November 22, 2015, 09:53:46 AM
Sounds like he's p'd that you got the "farm " and he didn't.

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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2015, 03:54:54 PM
I hope Duane doesn't double post these...

But his game camera picked up these gentlemen and ladies down on the farm

There will likely be one or two fewer when he gets done with his murderous ways!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on December 03, 2015, 05:23:09 PM
Dang.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on December 03, 2015, 05:34:42 PM
Scheduling hunting trips yet?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on December 03, 2015, 05:38:26 PM
Scheduling hunting trips yet?
Yup!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on January 26, 2016, 06:47:40 PM
Don,

On the topic of your privy: my 4wd club built one on our property a couple years ago, and we keep a bag of lime for "flushing" after we go. We keep in just inside the outhouse, and just sprikle a cupful into the hole after mission complete. Works well, and the 25-30lb bag has lasted us a couple of years (moderate use). Just an ideer for your kit bag.

Nice looking property!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on January 26, 2016, 09:15:54 PM
Don,

On the topic of your privy: my 4wd club built one on our property a couple years ago, and we keep a bag of lime for "flushing" after we go. We keep in just inside the outhouse, and just sprikle a cupful into the hole after mission complete. Works well, and the 25-30lb bag has lasted us a couple of years (moderate use). Just an ideer for your kit bag.

Nice looking property!
Cool
Sean,

We used that stuff for years in the Armee, do you guys still use it?

Of course, we soldiers over used it, like everything else, but it is a good idea. I like the charcoal ash idea. All the hippie web sites that talk about this sort of thing talk that up a lot. That was the basic plan, but Lime...Absolutely!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on February 02, 2016, 09:26:08 AM
Don,

On the topic of your privy: my 4wd club built one on our property a couple years ago, and we keep a bag of lime for "flushing" after we go. We keep in just inside the outhouse, and just sprikle a cupful into the hole after mission complete. Works well, and the 25-30lb bag has lasted us a couple of years (moderate use). Just an ideer for your kit bag.

Nice looking property!
Cool
Sean,

We used that stuff for years in the Armee, do you guys still use it?

Of course, we soldiers over used it, like everything else, but it is a good idea. I like the charcoal ash idea. All the hippie web sites that talk about this sort of thing talk that up a lot. That was the basic plan, but Lime...Absolutely!

Don,

I've been fortunate to have deployed once there was some infrastructure in place, so we had KBR supported latrine/shower facilities during both my deployments. Otherwise, when in the field we made do (or doo-doo, LOL) using individually dug cat-holes, unless there was a decent porta-john handy. I never used lime in the Army. I guess I am spoiled! LOL
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 02, 2016, 09:50:13 AM
Well, you didn't miss anything...!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 03, 2016, 09:54:51 PM
Meeting up with a builder tomorrow to discuss erecting a structure on the farm

Once I burn the house, I won't have much remaining and I need to get some more capability in there.

So going into the meeting I am looking at having a "Shed" like building built on skids. Perhaps later I will improve on that, but for now It will rest on blocks leveled properly and anchored in the ground with those big steel screws.

The building is a 16 X 32 with an eight foot wall and a 4 pitch roof with a few doors and windows all for $6200. They build the thing in panels, then assemble those into your building at the site.

These are the Carolina shed style buildings and I hope to have him modify this one somewhat. I want him to pitch up the roof to a 12/12 and then extend a 3/12 shed roof off to the front side. Put up a row of windows in that, then add in a floor so I can get a story and a half. The plan is to wall off a 12 foot section making a 12 X 16 room in which I want to place storage shelves, a washer and dryer, and a freezer. That will support the camper basically extending it's usefulness and utility.

That would be survival ready with a power source coupled with a cistern, which I am also building. After some time and development of the fields, a garden patch and a better pond, I will come back and build a nicer cabin with solar heated water, solar panels, and a wood burning boiler unit. I'll place that on an extensive basement that perhaps connects to other underground rooms.

Anyway, it all starts with this building...We'll see how it goes
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 03, 2016, 10:01:34 PM
that sounds like a pretty good deal to me.  But things are a bit more expensive down here...at least until the oil crash
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on February 03, 2016, 10:09:39 PM
Sounds like a good start. Won't you have a basement left over after the burn?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on February 03, 2016, 10:22:21 PM
Sounds like a good start. Won't you have a basement left over after the burn?

Duh JR. I thought you had Don figured out by now...that's the future Jacuzzi/swimming hole. :)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on February 04, 2016, 01:02:27 AM
Or motorcycle parking,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 09:05:14 AM
Good point here, can you throw a roof on the basement & knock a hole in one side of it & call it a shed?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on February 04, 2016, 09:33:46 AM
Shed/bunker. I like it.......Kinda surprised that that idea came from a hippy. ;P
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 10:49:28 AM
I didn't think JR was a hippy?!?

On a side note I had to visit the people's republic of boulder twice yesterday. I say twice because you can never visit the bmv once! ::) Even if it was their screw up that spelled my name wrong on the original license. Anyhow, it's apparent I don't fit in with the hippy crowd. Can't exactly put my finger on it but I really don't care to be in that environment they have created over there.....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on February 04, 2016, 11:48:58 AM
I am just thinking tatics here and use of space.

Show me a tie dye shirt and I will show how to start a fire.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 04, 2016, 12:29:15 PM
Show me a tie dye shirt and I will

Nothing wrong with blending in. I went and visited the local college for a tour a few years ago. I wore a black fleece beanie, a jacket and had longish hair and a beard. People assumed I was attending the college and was asked for directions on a few occasions, much to my tour guide's amusement...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 04, 2016, 01:16:48 PM
The combination of patchouly oil and BO.........that's what's raising the hair on the back of your neck Shawn!  (That's the smell of Socialism and no accountability mixed together)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 01:28:24 PM
Probably right about that! Smh.....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on February 04, 2016, 04:38:22 PM
so heres a question don!

has the privy been completed and made it to the site yet? 

if your gonna be having folks out there doing work and what not, they will want somewhere to go.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 05:37:18 PM
so heres a question don!

has the privy been completed and made it to the site yet? 

if your gonna be having folks out there doing work and what not, they will want somewhere to go.
Nate,

Privy is almost complete. I need to hang the doors, install the vent pipe and shingles, then it is done.

Guess I should get on that...made a deal today for the "Shed" building!

Yippee!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 05:40:49 PM
So working with a local gentleman who has, to date built over 20,000 sheds, out buildings, mini barns and what have you all over this tri state area.

He has some nice well sorted out sheds to start with, so after talking with him several times, I knew we could strike a happy chord, so I ventured down there

The building pictured here is called a smokehouse shed and is about as simple as they get. This one is small
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
That one is probably an eight by ten or twelve with a 7 foot wall

The one he will build for me, starting tomorrow will be a 16 X 32!

So that will give me 512 square feet on the floor.

Now this one will not have that smallish 4:12 pitch roof...Nossir. Mine will have a 12:12 pitch roof so it will be 16 feet tall on the inside.

Why so much height?

So I can add in a second floor, that's why!

We will place 5 30 X 39 windows around the various walls, two 9-light steel doors, an eight foot wide barn door on one end, and two more 30 X 39 windows in the gable ends to light the second story.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 05:57:31 PM
So I visited the assembly area where these things are constructed. Mike builds them in panels, which he carts to the job site, then assembles them into completed structures
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 05:58:46 PM
He has standard colors, however my building is getting the exact colors as the privy I built
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 06:00:19 PM
He had some completed buildings sitting on the lot which I toured. The biggest one is a bunch smaller than the one I will be getting
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 06:02:28 PM
And yes, if you were wondering, Ranger will be getting one of the mutt-houses!

So, we ventured over to my property, about 15 miles away and sited the building. It will be going in about where the tractor is sitting right now
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 06:03:55 PM
Got some four wheeling in! And once again that terrific Grizzly Locker Tate supplied me pushed us right through all that gooey mud
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on February 04, 2016, 06:06:21 PM
we can obviously see that there has not been any police call being conducted..........SMH........pilots!

;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 06:09:18 PM
Mike had a ton of interest in the barn and in the stack of logs inside which I thought was a corral of sorts.

He examined everything for some time and told me something I had not realized. He thinks the barn is between 75-100 years old, and says the barn wood is in pretty good condition (Valuable!) But what he said about the Corral has me thinking. He thinks there is a possibility that it was actually an earlier log house built around 150 years ago. He mused that after the thing hit its useful lifespan they simply erected the current barn around it using is as a central support and a corral.

He thought if I would carefully number and catalog the logs, I could sell the structure for a pretty penny. He and I are going to look into that possibility
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 06:12:33 PM
We saw some monster deer when we first drove in. They are easy to spot now since the fields are cut. As you can see, the fields remain in pretty good condition. I have been cutting more of mother nature back during the cool months to get ahead and keep the battery charged in Mr. Deere
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on February 04, 2016, 06:41:31 PM
now theres a secret we didn't know about.  that's really cool, sounds like you may need to get a hold of the barnwood builders and have them come take a look.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 06:44:03 PM
now theres a secret we didn't know about.  that's really cool, sounds like you may need to get a hold of the barnwood builders and have them come take a look.
Yea, need someone with knowledge and $$$$

Can you hear the sound?? Sell the barn...sell the barn...se
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
BTW, this is what 16 wide looks like inside, but that is only about a 5:12 pitch roof in this shot
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on February 04, 2016, 06:45:36 PM
That barn is cool. Even better if you get something out of it vs using it for a bon fire!

Cmax looks right at home. Did you have the new bike out there yet?

Friend of mine did the same with a shed in his backyard. Made a 2nd floor and stores models up there.

Also, if you can a sliding door works SO much better on big doors. I have a 4ft one on my little 10x12 and never having to worry about clearance is a godsend.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 06:51:25 PM
That barn is cool. Even better if you get something out of it vs using it for a bon fire!

Cmax looks right at home. Did you have the new bike out there yet?

Friend of mine did the same with a shed in his backyard. Made a 2nd floor and stores models up there.

Also, if you can a sliding door works SO much better on big doors. I have a 4ft one on my little 10x12 and never having to worry about clearance is a godsend.
Haven't had the Triumph out there, but the DR has already crashed there!

I just might line the inside of the shed with the barn wood. Sure make for a cool look! If not the whole thing, then at least that 12 X 16 room I plan to wall off on one end
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on February 04, 2016, 07:10:03 PM
Great idea on the sliding doors.  Also don't have to worry about the doors sagging.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 07:41:14 PM
The log cabin inside the barn is very interesting. Guessing your buddy is right as I've never saw anything like that before.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on February 04, 2016, 07:47:49 PM
it almost looked like a corn crib instead of a cabin?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 08:21:34 PM
If that was the case then what did they have between logs to keep air moving yet not allow corn cobs to slip thru?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 08:44:44 PM
I've seen a guy take something almost exactly like that and turn it into a home.

He broke it down then pressure blasted everything and removed the old nails, then reassembled it on a foundation. He tacked chicken wire in between the logs, then chinked the area with mortar. The result was a great looking home, I was surprised
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 08:47:15 PM
The as delivered structure will not have the dividing wall or the second floor. I will add in those myself. I was working on a budget and the shell is about what I could afford. Depending on weather it might not take all too long, however next week is going to be snowy and very cold, so probably no cigar until the week after. Maybe have it up early in March.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 09:12:24 PM
You may have stated this already however is this just a large pressure treated base (say like 4x4 or 4x6 timbers or possibly steel? The way HD has them locally) or are you putting down some sort of foundation under it?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 09:22:19 PM
You may have stated this already however is this just a large pressure treated base (say like 4x4 or 4x6 timbers or possibly steel? The way HD has them locally) or are you putting down some sort of foundation under it?
I'm going to grade the area some, then set the building onto blocks. It will be built on 4X4 or 4X6 skids. The building requires three longitudinal beams. Mike builds his with 4. This one, we are upgrading to five! That means the building will be sitting on blocks on five points across its width and every 8 feet along its long axis. We did that to decrease the ground pressure of each column to prevent it from settling into the ground too much.

This is all I can afford, so it is what it is. I can say, there are thousands of buildings in this region constructed this way. Would it stand up against a tornado or high winds? Well, would a regular house? This thing was very affordable and gets me in there with tool storage, a lockable area, a washer/dryer and frig along with a place to repair, set up a wood shop to continue to build out the property. The second floor will be emergency sleeping area and added storage
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 09:28:15 PM
Copy, we had more freezing & thawing up North than you boys do. However, what I did a couple of times was used a post hole auger 8" on 3pt tractor & bored holes in the ground 3.5' deep then filled them with concrete or sac crete (whatever is available). This is almost as cost effective as your cinder blocks & 3x better in the long run. Just an option, but I had great success doing it this way.

A $300 investment in 3pt auger might be good anyhow with the stuff you plan on building down there. I think I paid $250 for mine a few years back. I stopped into a farm store this time of year & worked manager over on the shelf stock. Told him no one was going to be buying that unit for several months & he agreed
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 04, 2016, 09:32:02 PM
Copy, we had more freezing & thawing up North than you boys do. However, what I did a couple of times was used a post hole auger 8" on 3pt tractor & bored holes in the ground 3.5' deep then filled them with concrete or sac crete (whatever is available). This is almost as cost effective as your cinder blocks & 3x better in the long run. Just an option, but I had great success doing it this way.
I can get a 6X6 post piers put in for another $1000, and I am tempted, but I just am not there budget wise. I had $7700 and spent $7700!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 09:40:10 PM
Ok, more questions? You said washer / dryer & fridge? I assume you have a well & septic & electricity on property or are those all needed improvements?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on February 04, 2016, 10:53:37 PM
it almost looked like a corn crib instead of a cabin?
This was my first thought also.
But not sure on how it would hold the cobs as well.
In any case, it's a pretty cool old building and a match would be tragic.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 04, 2016, 11:23:29 PM
Other thought is maybe it was used for tobacco? Corn isn't that popular in the tuk where as tobacco always has been. My BIL runs 400 head of cattle over near Louisville & a couple of his barns were solely for drying tobacco......
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 05, 2016, 02:20:25 AM
I just might line the inside of the shed with the barn wood. Sure make for a cool look!

One of the local Mennonite families I buy fresh eggs from did something similar to that. Took the wood from an old school that was being torn down, the father cleaned it up, and put it inside their house. It looks pretty good.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 08:28:21 AM
Ok, more questions? You said washer / dryer & fridge? I assume you have a well & septic & electricity on property or are those all needed improvements?
Water: No Plan is to bury a 1500 gal tank and use that. Supply will be initially from the friendly water truck, then from gutter catch system. Plan is to have electric water pump powered by solar charged bank of batteries.

Electricity: I have a transformer overhead the site so local power backed up by a gas generator, then in the future the solar bank, a wind turbine I want to make myself from an old Case generator, and then when I find one, an old huge cast iron diesel generator that will run on veggie oil.

Septic: Existing system, however I plan to dig in a new one that is close to the surface (Newer style) and create a Texas redneck style veggie garden overhead
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 08:36:27 AM
Other thought is maybe it was used for tobacco? Corn isn't that popular in the tuk where as tobacco always has been. My BIL runs 400 head of cattle over near Louisville & a couple of his barns were solely for drying tobacco......
Tobacco is likely as this was a working tobacco farm until about 35 years ago. Then they hayed it for a couple then it fell into disuse. But the more I look at it, that inner structure is less refined (Round rough hewn logs) then the more square peg style beams used for parts of the barn.

In any event, it will be reused not torched.

I will sell it for operating cash if I can.

If that doesn't work, then I think I could take that apart carefully, then reassemble on another site, chink up the cracks and create a cool cabin space that celebrates the farm's past while providing something useful like animal shelter, to a prayer room, to a cozy one room cabin for visitors...who knows...Maybe even a place to park SquareD or Sarge!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 08:38:29 AM
I just might line the inside of the shed with the barn wood. Sure make for a cool look!

One of the local Mennonite families I buy fresh eggs from did something similar to that. Took the wood from an old school that was being torn down, the father cleaned it up, and put it inside their house. It looks pretty good.
Was talkin' to miss Kathy last night about that...paneling the inside of this new shed with that wood. She replied "You're not using that pretty wood in that crappy shed you're building!"

So now I'm building a crappy shed!

I might do it just for spite ;-)))
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2016, 08:47:30 AM
Ouch.....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 05, 2016, 09:24:44 AM
Was talkin' to miss Kathy last night about that...paneling the inside of this new shed with that wood. She replied "You're not using that pretty wood in that crappy shed you're building!"

So now I'm building a crappy shed!

I might do it just for spite ;-)))

If you sand it down lightly and put some varnish or clear stain on it to bring out the wood grain, I THINK she'll like it. But then again, I don't know the 6 element, so I can't make a comment.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2016, 09:35:38 AM
If those logs are hardwood you should have no problem selling them if they are free of nails. They should have a very tight grain.


& as far as the wife unit, pick your battles wisely. Not using the wood may help in an effort to build other structures down the road where you can use the wood as a leverage point.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 09:39:11 AM
Was talkin' to miss Kathy last night about that...paneling the inside of this new shed with that wood. She replied "You're not using that pretty wood in that crappy shed you're building!"

So now I'm building a crappy shed!

I might do it just for spite ;-)))

If you sand it down lightly and put some varnish or clear stain on it to bring out the wood grain, I THINK she'll like it. But then again, I don't know the 6 element, so I can't make a comment.
Bobby, That would be a fail!

You put up barn wood because of it's knotty old character. Sand it down and all you have is a twisted up old board.

Now having said that, planning some thicker beams yields beautiful wood surfaces. But if you have barn wood, best to use it as is. I think If I changed it in anyway then I'd be both stupid AND wasteful in her eyes.

When working with HH6 elements. It's best to just do what you want and ask forgiveness or avoid the subject altogether...or offset it with, Honey, look what I bought for you..."
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 09:39:45 AM
If those logs are hardwood you should have no problem selling them if they are free of nails. They should have a very tight grain.


& as far as the wife unit, pick your battles wisely. Not using the wood may help in an effort to build other structures down the road where you can use the wood as a leverage point.
^^^Wisdom^^^
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 05, 2016, 10:02:24 AM
Bobby, That would be a fail!

That would be a double fail, as I misread what you originally typed. I'm working with a harsh glare coming off the snow and from the angle the sun is at, so I misinterpreted, how you posted 6's comment.

Build a shooting shed/shack with the wood.

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 10:03:33 AM
Or a bunker house! I doubt a 7.62 would get through any of those logs!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 05, 2016, 10:06:28 AM
Or a bunker house! I doubt a 7.62 would get through any of those logs!

Build an old school bunk house type thing. Think of a guesthouse but old school styling. Open floor plan, throw some bunks in there for sleeping, or you could also use it for a classroom or an extra dining area for picnics or large gatherings.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 10:12:19 AM
OK, latest topic for discussion is the foundation.

Duane (Remember him?) and I were talking this morning. The shed is built to set on concrete blocks, and in this case, a lot of them! It's a practice that I can see clearly demonstrated already on my property, in the barn. That stack of logs is resting on stone piers which are just resting, well sank a bit into the ground.

Talking to Mike, the builder, he says his building will resist a 70mph wind as is, and when filled with all the stuff one puts in there, quite a bit more. So my concern about it being a big sail up on top of a ridge is quieted a bit, however my farm did see a tornado just last summer.

Added to the wind load thought is the fact that I'll bet that the cinder blocks will settle in a bit over time, and it is likely that I'll need to re-level the building over time, perhaps more than once.

Now the obvious solution to all that is to just add in piers and bolt the building to those piers. Mike is looking at that possibility at the moment, although he cautions he would be looking at around 30 piers sunk 36" in terra firma and concreted in place. But that would then comprise a forever structure but, it would raise the cost of the building $1500 to $2000.

Now I am at budget...so what can I do here. I don't really have the money to do the foundation, however a concreted-in pier foundation is screaming to me as the right way to go...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 05, 2016, 10:30:35 AM
OK, latest topic for discussion is the foundation.

Now the obvious solution to all that is to just add in piers and bolt the building to those piers. Mike is looking at that possibility at the moment, although he cautions he would be looking at around 30 piers sunk 36" in terra firma and concreted in place. But that would then comprise a forever structure but, it would raise the cost of the building $1500 to $2000.

Now I am at budget...so what can I do here. I don't really have the money to do the foundation, however a concreted-in pier foundation is screaming to me as the right way to go...

Can't you find someone local to do it for cheap to throw some holes in the ground? There has to be a small well drilling or construction company in the area that could do it for relatively cheap. Then you drop the piers in the hole and get the wee rangers and whoever else is free to do the concrete over a weekend. Then drop the building in place.

You could spread that out over a month or 2, then throw the building down as the budget allows. Unless you have a hard timeline that you don't want to/can't deviate from.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2016, 10:32:15 AM
Already covered this chief, 3pt post hole auger & concrete. DIY
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: EL TATE on February 05, 2016, 10:40:23 AM
Already covered this chief, 3pt post hole auger & concrete. DIY

What he said. or get real cheap and get a manual post hole digger, but the auger would be invaluable for years to come, solve your problem with a small up front investment in equipment, and then you're just looking at the cost of materials to do exactly what they want to charge you $2500 for.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on February 05, 2016, 11:24:50 AM
Pallet of sack crete will ride on one of the trailers.  Use 2 ea. 1/2"all thread as anchor bolts set at 24 " into concrete.  Leave plenty sticking out to level structure.  Found you an auger.

  http://lexington.craigslist.org/grd/5430875774.html
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 05, 2016, 12:13:37 PM
So it appears the DOTs have all agreed that DIY, save some money for your budget and get it done correctly for the long run.

Plus, you know we'll have pics to look at so you know... that's a perk.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on February 05, 2016, 12:25:08 PM
Yep, the decisions have been made. DIY, save $$$ and it will never get blown away.

I have never been one for setting things on peer blacks cept decks. Sink the holes, add rods and building,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2016, 01:16:46 PM
One of these days Don will admit defeat & listen to me from the get go. Now where's SQ D at again? Lol ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on February 05, 2016, 01:41:51 PM
He's stubborn to the core (darn Pilutz). Maybe we're just not used to him talking about budgets and what not.

Seriously tho, I've used the heck out my auger, from planting trees, to building fences, to drilling an oil well. You just can't beat it's usefullness.



disclaimer...I may have exaggerated on building the fences.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: moto123 on February 05, 2016, 01:46:07 PM
Just to make sure we've covered all the options, there is one other solution.  If you are adverse to mixing the concrete for the piers, they could be made out of telephone poles or 8" diameter tree trunks that you may already have laying around.  Drill the same hole with the auger as mentioned previously, insert the 4 foot long log into the 3 foot hole and tamp it in place as straight and level as you can.  When done, chainsaw the tops of all the logs nice and level.  Then you can set the shed on top and screw it down to the wood piers.  It's kind of the way I built my storage barn in another thread and the way I am building a fire wood shed right now.

In my mind it's a best, better, good situation.  Best is concrete, better is wood piers, good is concrete blocks.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 01:51:15 PM
The big point here that everyone missed is this is not my job! I hired the building out. One cannot simply come into the middle of someone else's project and "Throw up some piers." :o

Second point: No matter how you spin it, it's one to two thousand dollars that I don't have right now! :(

Yea I know how to do it myself. But buying an auger or renting one, then boring all those holes, which would have to be set exactly to what the BUILDER needs, then all those 6X6 posts, then a couple tons of sack-crete, and what do you have? $1,000-$2000 and a bunch of work to achieve a foundation which may or may not meet the builders requirements! ::)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 01:52:32 PM
Boneheads!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on February 05, 2016, 02:23:58 PM
The big point here that everyone missed is this is not my job! I hired the building out. One cannot simply come into the middle of someone else's project and "Throw up some piers." :o

Second point: No matter how you spin it, it's one to two thousand dollars that I don't have right now! :(


Has he started working on the building yet? Have you paid yet?

If he hasn't started on the building, then there shouldn't be a problem. If you paid already, and he hasn't started working on the building or etc, then I don't think it should cause a problem for him to go into a holding pattern.

If you are already thinking about tornadoes or strong winds or whatnot, then you know it's going to be stuck in your head forever, that sneaky little "what if"

As for budget like I said, couldn't hurt to ask if it could be held off for a short bit. You re-build the budget and DIY the footings. Remember Murphy is always waiting for an opening to come in and wreak havoc.


Yea I know how to do it myself. But buying an auger or renting one, then boring all those holes, which would have to be set exactly to what the BUILDER needs, then all those 6X6 posts, then a couple tons of sack-crete, and what do you have? $1,000-$2000 and a bunch of work to achieve a foundation which may or may not meet the builders requirements! ::)

I was thinking about the DIY footings when I was at work; yes I was bored and walking through snow.

You are a smart guy (you get ONE compliment from the Infantry, just one), I'm sure you can easily follow a diagram from the builder stating that you need X amount of footings, X amount of feet apart, with a known starting point on the floor (let's just say rear left corner) showing where the footings need to be to properly emplaced (employing distance and direction) in relation to each other IOT properly and securely support the building.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on February 05, 2016, 02:44:43 PM
What if, you don't listen to the Bonehead DOTs??????????

Its ordered, great, not on site, great your $$$, your time,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2016, 02:46:14 PM
He's stubborn to the core (darn Pilutz). Maybe we're just not used to him talking about budgets and what not.

Seriously tho, I've used the heck out my auger, from planting trees, to building fences, to drilling an oil well. You just can't beat it's usefullness.



disclaimer...I may have exaggerated on building the fences.


If I'd have known he needed one I would have donated mine a year ago....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 04:10:00 PM
^^^Dang!!!^^^
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on February 05, 2016, 04:11:19 PM
I feel the urge to throw my two cents in to the DOT collection plate. Don, rather than acquiring and using an auger to create the holes for the recommended pylons, I think it will be more fun, and educational for the pre-rangers, to use cratering charges. If you calculate the charges correctly, and tamp them properly, you will get perfectly suitable holes with much less effort and time invested.  ;) It will also be a good learning step in the crawl-walk-run methodology to introduce calculating and designating demolitions training for the boys. By the end of the day they will be able to confidently blow a nice crater across your driveway to slow the bad guys attempting to overrun your perimeter. Or, maybe lay an abatisse across the road. Or blow a bridge, or any of a number of good ways to impede your enemies and channelize them into your kill sac!  8)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 04:14:35 PM
OK, update

Rafters are cut, at least some if not all of them

Got the paint numbas' PPG 13-02 Cherokee Red and 1129-7 Evergreen boughs

We fixed the foundation problem. Mike is going to set the 6X6 posts on site himself next week. Total cost of foundation was $1000 which is more than fair. Anyone wanting a building anywhere around here, so far Mike's company is looking pretty good!

Building cost so far: $8700
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 04:16:57 PM
I feel the urge to throw my two cents in to the DOT collection plate. Don, rather than acquiring and using an auger to create the holes for the recommended pylons, I think it will be more fun, and educational for the pre-rangers, to use cratering charges. If you calculate the charges correctly, and tamp them properly, you will get perfectly suitable holes with much less effort and time invested.  ;) It will also be a good learning step in the crawl-walk-run methodology to introduce calculating and designating demolitions training for the boys. By the end of the day they will be able to confidently blow a nice crater across your driveway to slow the bad guys attempting to overrun your perimeter. Or, maybe lay an abatisse across the road. Or blow a bridge, or any of a number of good ways to impede your enemies and channelize them into your kill sac!  8)

Or just blow some stuff up for fun!

Funny you should mention that Sean!

The county Attorney has offered me a blasting license. Wants me to blast out the pond...so he can watch!

Foundation problem solved!

But gonna auger in some holes up over the existing home site. I think I'm going to throw up a home built on piers. Maybe get it framed by years end...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 04:28:28 PM
If anyone wants to contact these folks, Call Mike

859 987-7267

Custom Wood Products
1683 Cynthiana Road
Paris, KY 40361

He just confirmed all the roof rafters are now cut for my 12:12 pitch roof
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on February 05, 2016, 04:32:47 PM
oh great!  we have occifers talking about explosives!  where is the combat engineer when you need him.........MMMMMAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2016, 04:38:49 PM
Hey, if you need help framing up they house let me know. I'm not a professional but as with most things I know enough to be dangerous...... ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on February 05, 2016, 06:06:56 PM
When working with HH6 elements. It's best to just do what you want and ask forgiveness or avoid the subject altogether...or offset it with, Honey, look what I bought for you..."

Smart man right there.  Signs of a successful marriage.

Like Sean, I work for food, and I can build.  Bring Nate in to cook and I bring tools and labor.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2016, 07:30:49 PM
There you go, I'll bring Nate & some tools we'll be gtg!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 09:18:44 PM
You boys talkin' about a gen-u-wine Kintucky Barn raisin'?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 05, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
I believe I posed that idea previously last year- tools, time, tenacity (teacher) so go ahead Don- DARE the DOT Army to come to 'Tucky with our tools and truckies and we'll raise something!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 05, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
That's what I'm afraid of!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 05, 2016, 10:08:21 PM
We can bring tannerite & unraise a few items too!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on February 05, 2016, 10:19:18 PM
Startin' to sound like a Jen-you-wine
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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bigdave_185 on February 05, 2016, 11:16:28 PM
I have a mass amount of pto (170) hours worth, framed homes for about four years or so.   The weather sounds nice too lets do it!!


Raising boys into RealMen!!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on February 06, 2016, 12:10:10 AM
You guys have all the fun,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 06, 2016, 04:09:59 AM
JR, you kidding me? Who would pass on the opportunity to DOT Don in person?  ;D & if I could get Ash there it would be twice the fun!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 06, 2016, 02:01:49 PM
Rafters piled up!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Atkinsmatt on February 07, 2016, 11:21:27 PM
oh great!  we have occifers talking about explosives!  where is the combat engineer when you need him.........MMMMMAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
I am here. First step to calculate correctly is to gather necessary info.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on February 08, 2016, 09:41:56 AM
oh great!  we have occifers talking about explosives!  where is the combat engineer when you need him.........MMMMMAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Well, I am a 19C, and the Army spent some time making me learn how to calculate/designate demo. Got to play around with demo a little in Iraq, too!  ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 05:21:22 PM
I had shelved the Privy construction since fall, since I knew there was little to no chance of getting that thing installed down there before it dried out in the spring. But spring is now approaching, so back to it. It is nearly done so I'm really just adding the last couple things. Shingling the roof and doing the vent pipe is about all that remains, along with perhaps some spot painting and "Dollin" the thing up for the Ladies.

Funny thing is, with the camper down there, and it having a porcelain seat, I wonder if it will ever see the shiny side of a female???

The boys had been using it as a sniper position, and tracked all manner of dirt inside, so I had to do a bit of a cleaning first
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
I found a welcome matt from some office somewhere, so I just cut that down to size to make a suitable floor covering
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 05:23:14 PM
Then I hung the lower door
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 05:23:59 PM
And then the upper one too
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 05:26:03 PM
These colors are the same as the shed building that is being constructed

Magnets hold the upper door closed while a weather seal strip holds the bottom door closed when the upper door is closed
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 05:29:26 PM
The inside of the doors received several coats of semi gloss Urethane, with a sanding before each coat. The inside of the doors have that classic knotty pine look.

I had to cut away part of the shelf to unshroud the latch that you can use to lock both doors together or sit (literally) with the top door open thereby always maintain a good field of fire!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 05:30:54 PM
Next I installed the inside door latch. A simple arrangement using an identical latch affixed to a block of wood, which inserts into the door frame itself
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
I failed to snap a pic, but next I trimmed out the inside of the door with a 2X4 cut to fit. That serves as a positive stop, to which I will add foam weather seal. The concept here is bug proofing the enclosure so nothing starts crawling across your smile while conducting operations  :o

But here's a shot of both doors done, and ready to move to the vent pipe install
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 20, 2016, 05:43:14 PM
I like the 2 piece door, nice touch. Keep a rifle in there & you may be able to take care of some pesky vermin while doing your other business.....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 20, 2016, 06:38:05 PM
I like the 2 piece door, nice touch. Keep a rifle in there & you may be able to take care of some pesky vermin while doing your other business.....
We don't have muslims in that part of the Kintucky!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 21, 2016, 08:42:11 PM
So, I just chatted with Mike about the Shed construction.

He is really going overboard and doing a great job with this building he is putting together.

Standard floor loading for your house and mine is 30 psf. Mike decided early on to build my floor to hold  60 psf, 200% the standard requirement. Speaking to him just now, he was concerned with making it super strong, actually he was calling it a fort! To get to the 60 psf rating he had increased his floor joists all the way up to 2 X 10's. But I guess that wasn't good enough for even him! He said he build some of the walls and the floor already and he ended up using 2 X 12 joists on 16" centers!

Whoa, that's going to be one stout building. I will have no problem creating a work space, a storage space, and that small living space when I add in the second floor.

What a great guy! Anyone in this part of the A O who doesn't get this man to build your shed would have to have his head examined!

We probably won't be able to get in there this week again. It was like a soup sandwich on Saturday, and we had more rain today. I'd say it will take a week to dry out that place enough to get 2-3 days of solid work. That's about all he will need to get the thing up. He even has two of the walls built and painted already...He moves quick. He said he'd send some pics tomorrow of the shed pieces parts. I'll post them up when I get them
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 24, 2016, 09:55:54 PM
He has both end walls built, and here you can see all the 2 X 12 floor joists cut and stacked. One end will have an 8 foot wide double door. Here one is in construction. Mike prepaints the panels and trim which makes for a pretty nice finished appearance.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on February 25, 2016, 11:50:08 AM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2016, 07:09:06 PM
After church today put in two hours on the Privy. It's so close to being done!

Installed the vent pipe. That's incase I have any grunts visiting who had to. ah, well, grunt!

I think this will fulfil the mission!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2016, 07:09:45 PM
Then I cut in that last shelf
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2016, 07:14:44 PM
Then I finished covering over the last remaining Christmas Red I had started with.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2016, 07:17:53 PM
I missed a couple spots with the new colors it would appear!

I slid in some foam door seal to try to keep out the bugs. I'll probably lay down a liberal base of DDT to kill everything I don't like and keep the liberals away. but if some hybrid bug some Marine brought back from those nasty lands of Islam, well the foam will foil em' I hope!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2016, 07:32:50 PM
On a sort of related subject, I plan to move the camper to the farm this Tuesday, Lord Willing!

I have been kitting it out. Today I finally mounted that 30W solar cell that will keep the battery charged
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on February 28, 2016, 07:59:44 PM
Busy, busy & more busy
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2016, 02:19:30 PM
Rafters are done

Just waiting on good weather to stick it in the ground
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 03, 2016, 04:52:04 PM
So bunks on the sides with a little walkway down the center?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 03, 2016, 09:32:15 PM
So bunks on the sides with a little walkway down the center?
Bunks tucked in with a short wall to provide storage space.

And, maybe in the future, I'd like to rip out part of the roof and add in two dormers with windows. However, that is only if I see the time frame to get the cabin up stretching well into the future, but really, it shouldn't be that long considering the low cost of post and beam building.

I think I'll drop the floor 4" to give more head room up there. I won't need a full 8' ceiling. So if I take the 10" joist and drop it 4", taking 13.5"" out of it leaves me 6' 10.5" of head room remaining, plenty for a workshop!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2016, 05:31:27 PM
Several things to report today.

First I am considering adding two feet to the height of the building. Since most of the front and back walls are not completed we could substitute 10' 2 X 4's in there to add the extra height to the second floor. I am thinking if I want a ton more utility and possible growth space up there, then that two feet height buys me nearly the whole floor as useful space for kids and furniture. If we can get it done for $500 I think I'll go for it

Second, the rain continues. More today. We are not seeing more than two days in a row without rainfall. So the road to the place is a soup sandwich and pretty much unusable. This will pay dividends down the road (Get it:Down the road??) to severely limit traffic and curiosity seekers, however in the short term it is mucking up my plans something fierce. We are now looking at another delay in starting the building and the forecast has 6-8 more days of rain coming which will wipe out this week and likely part of next. We could easily be into the third week in march before punching the first hole in the ground.

Speaking of holes, I am ready to dig the pit for the privy. It is almost done and almost ready to carry down there as well.

Finally, the camper is in standby mode, also limited by the poor condition of the road. That place is going to transition to nearly nothing to having the camper and two structures and electricity and living space in the short span of a week or so. I can't wait. It is the foothold I need there from which expansion can take place.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 05, 2016, 06:36:41 PM
Get the height now you will never regret it and even the siding comes in in 10ft. 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 05, 2016, 07:43:58 PM
Get the height now you will never regret it and even the siding comes in in 10ft. 
Yea that's a problem as he ordered all the materials on day one. He buys those pallets full of 2 X 4's so asking him to extend the walls might put Mike is a bad spot, something I will not do.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:13:54 PM
What a day! Worked at the farm all day along with The guys putting up the "Shed"

Unfortunately for them they took a dually with street tires way past the build site to the "Bottom" of my place which is a mud bog. Well, it took over an hour to try to pull that truck out with the tractor. Finally we just started downloading the materials into the loader bucket and I sortied everything to from the trailer to at least get the supplies to the site. After the trailer was several thousand pounds lighter, I was able to tug it free and pulled it back up the hill to the house site.

I bush hogged and helped a little, but the build show was all them, and they both work fast and do a really good job.

I also towed the camper down there today so all of a sudden all sorts of things are showing up
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 07, 2016, 07:21:59 PM
Put that locker and those new M/T's to work dragging that camper up there too!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:36:03 PM
Put that locker and those new M/T's to work dragging that camper up there too!
Sure did. That truck didn't even start to get stuck. One part of the "Road" is up hill and narrow for maybe 75 meters. The truck was spinning all its tires but making forward progress. The camper rutted the road to the depth of the tires!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
After the recovery operations, the tractor was carrying all kinds of mud!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:38:58 PM
While I was down the hill trying to pull out the truck, Ranger decided to claw up three of my four doors trying to get back inside I'm guessing...Man, I hope that buffs out!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:40:47 PM
They laid the thing out, then started punching holes into the rocky ground
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:41:59 PM
This guy showed up to check out how things were going, and to scout for turkey.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:44:51 PM
Corner posts are in and concreted. The irregular hole is an auger punched hole, then the larger hole required to remove the stone!
Those 2 X 12 joists are huge!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:46:23 PM
Once I got the truck pulled out and repositioned, the work tempo increased.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:48:50 PM
Starting to shape up, literally!

Size is 16 X 32, with 9 foot walls and a 12/12 pitch roof. I'll drop the second floor a little to get good usable space upstairs
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:51:00 PM
Deck is framed up and ready for sheeting. That will happen tomorrow along with some walls
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:53:35 PM
Duane and I repositioned the camper to it's temporary resting spot. Soon, after the shed gets dried in. I'll scrape a spot neat it level, spread some gravel about, then drag the camper to it's semi-permanent spot
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 07:55:15 PM
The front of the shed faces the existing house. I will add a bit of a porch on there in the not too distant future. On the back side, I'll add a shed roof to create a spot to park the tractor.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 07, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
Ok i have to ask... not trying to be a wise-guy...

You got 2x12 joists, but then they are just lagging them into the posts? Wouldn't you want a beam spanning the posts, with the joists hanging off that? All your weight is going to be transferred to some carriage bolts presumably based on the pics..

I supposed it's a shed... not a house... prob fine...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 07, 2016, 08:03:44 PM
What was the spacing on the posts in the ground, Boss?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on March 07, 2016, 08:04:32 PM
This guy showed up to check out how things were going, and to scout for turkey.

talk about the grey ghost.........that may be a million dollar pic you have right there..........
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 07, 2016, 08:14:14 PM
I agree. With, put hangers on those joists and use SDS bolts vs plain screws.. I would sister up the outer joist with a second story going in.

NIce size and good plan. Trailer looks lonely on the hill like that.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 08:19:41 PM
Ok i have to ask... not trying to be a wise-guy...

You got 2x12 joists, but then they are just lagging them into the posts? Wouldn't you want a beam spanning the posts, with the joists hanging off that? All your weight is going to be transferred to some carriage bolts presumably based on the pics..

I supposed it's a shed... not a house... prob fine...

Not lagged, nailed. With a lot of nails

It's fine. The longitudinal beams which are nailed to the posts are what the joists hook to, obviously.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 08:20:44 PM
What was the spacing on the posts in the ground, Boss?

8 feet on center
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 07, 2016, 08:22:17 PM
I agree. With, put hangers on those joists and use SDS bolts vs plain screws.. I would sister up the outer joist with a second story going in.

NIce size and good plan. Trailer looks lonely on the hill like that.
Like I stated earlier, they are just using nails. so I decided to come back with some tap-con type screws and add them in after these guys clear the A.O.

No need to do that JR. This thing only really needs 2 X 8 maybe, So a 2 X 10 would be overkill, but this thing has a 2 X 12. Remember the engineers have drawn it to more than double a standard home floor load. I'm no expert, but I think it is fine.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on March 07, 2016, 08:32:57 PM
1/2" X 5" lag screws galvanized with washers 2 per post min is my recommendation. I'm guessing the walls will be sitting on top of the posts on top of the sub floor but for $40 it's cheap insurance. Nails suck, small tap con style screws better & lags are best.

Edit: pre drill the holes for the lags & an electric impact comes in handy too
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Post by: Dawg25385 on March 07, 2016, 09:11:06 PM
I'm chuckling myself just a little at the guy whose MO is mo steel mo metal mo betta, then settles for nailing a beam onto the posts rather than saddling or at least lagging...

But i'm not tryin' to ruffle your feathers... so that's the last i'll say about that!

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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on March 07, 2016, 09:18:40 PM
I'm honestly a little disappointed in the builder. He seems to do everything pretty heavy duty then to only nail the joists? Although from reading Dons thread it appears they don't normally use these posts but just sit them on blocks so for the benefit of the doubt maybe a learning curve there for them. Or the employees didn't ask & went rogue as they sometimes do.....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Bigdave_185 on March 07, 2016, 10:14:39 PM
Just gonna leave those right here (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160308/3581d1b7cf2f068327b215525d0e281c.jpg)


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 07, 2016, 11:28:35 PM
I also can't tell if the long side floor beams are doubled but with all the live load of the 12 inch floor joists being transferred to long side, I think its customary to double the beams on those sides for the joints to anchor into with joist hangers.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 07, 2016, 11:53:00 PM
Okay, everyone stop poking the bear!  You saw he had a visit from Sasquatch's father posing as a turkey hunter.  The shed will be built all pretty and life will be good!

Besides, Don will get to thinking on the porch one day that the shed needs an oil change and he'll re-engineer it so ten of us DOT knuckle draggers can sit next to each other stuffing Nates cooking in our gullets without fear of breaking anything but our belts!

Looking good Don, glad to see its coming together!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 08, 2016, 02:29:10 AM
While I was down the hill trying to pull out the truck, Ranger decided to claw up three of my four doors trying to get back inside I'm guessing...Man, I hope that buffs out!

That should easily buff out. Bear can and does frequently get into XJ via the open windows. Of course, XJ's paint isn't as nice as your's, but those scratches don't look that bad.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 07:34:19 AM
I'm honestly a little disappointed in the builder. He seems to do everything pretty heavy duty then to only nail the joists? Although from reading Dons thread it appears they don't normally use these posts but just sit them on blocks so for the benefit of the doubt maybe a learning curve there for them. Or the employees didn't ask & went rogue as they sometimes do.....
I think that is it. He builds sheds on skids normally. He has built over 20,000! This is a bit out of the norm for him. However Mike builds nice stuff, has for decades and is known to stand behind his work..

I texted Mike about your concerns. He just replied, Lag bolts are going in today!

On the single band board...Ya know, again, I am no engineer, however a 2 X 12 supported every eight feet is pretty stout. Looking at the foundation of my and other houses, yea, I see doubled up lumber but those are 2 X 10's, right?
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Post by: KensAuto on March 08, 2016, 09:44:37 AM

I texted Mike about your concerns. He just replied, Lag bolts are going in today!

I'm exited for you...awesome stuff!!!!!!
...Nails bad, lags great. Great call boss (and Colorado). In a perfect world, even though it's just a (huge) shed, the floor section would be on top of the posts, but it should be ok as long as you don't keep adding on. :) ...I won't even bring up "pressure treated....."
Looks like great views from the trailer!

...I think I would be less one dog if that happened to my truck!
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Post by: cj7ox on March 08, 2016, 10:22:05 AM
Looking good, Big D!
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Post by: stlaser on March 08, 2016, 10:34:50 AM
Good deal, ideally they would have notched the top of the post for the exterior 2x12 to sit in the notch. I understand their is a budget however, lags should be good. The second floor weight will all be riding down on top of the posts at least 2/3 of the wall will be anyhow. So really all your supporting is the first floor span between the posts on those out 2x12's at 8' is fairly strong. I would say if you still have any concerns after its built go to HD & pickup some joist hangers (formed metal straps) then teach the pre rangers how to crawl under said building & use a screw gun. Two birds with one stone if you will...... ;)


I'm honestly a little disappointed in the builder. He seems to do everything pretty heavy duty then to only nail the joists? Although from reading Dons thread it appears they don't normally use these posts but just sit them on blocks so for the benefit of the doubt maybe a learning curve there for them. Or the employees didn't ask & went rogue as they sometimes do.....
I think that is it. He builds sheds on skids normally. He has built over 20,000! This is a bit out of the norm for him. However Mike builds nice stuff, has for decades and is known to stand behind his work..

I texted Mike about your concerns. He just replied, Lag bolts are going in today!

On the single band board...Ya know, again, I am no engineer, however a 2 X 12 supported every eight feet is pretty stout. Looking at the foundation of my and other houses, yea, I see doubled up lumber but those are 2 X 10's, right?
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 08, 2016, 10:53:15 AM
As good as it looks and with thicker lumber it screams for screws and bolts. For basic framing I used my good ol nail gun too, but screws and SDS bolts from there.

Nails are the minimum for building and have there place. ever walked on a floor that is nailed? It always squeaks.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:33:08 PM
Thanks for all the input folks!

I took your concerns to the man. He is going to put two lag bolts in each post and he was going to slip a jack stud under the floor joists. The way that works is they bolt in another 2 X to the inside of the post. Remember the 2 X 12 is bolted to the outside. So on the inside there will be a second 2 X to support the weight. The joists will actually rest on this jack stud so I think we answered the question about the floor strength.

OK, so today was a long one, about 12 hours of building. I am smoked...

Almost right away they had a deck down and the first wall up
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:34:34 PM
The wall was wobbly until they braced it up some.

A lot of it was prepainted, but some of the stuff was getting painted on site.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:36:12 PM
Next the front wall was stretched a foot and erected
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:37:56 PM
The prebuilt panels were stacked like chord wood along with the rafters
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:39:44 PM
This material is the latest thing in exterior sheeting. Plywood on one side, some type of composite on the other side. When nailing it with a nail gun, it emits a odd "Whack" sound...as if it's a lot harder than soft wood...and it is!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:50:30 PM
Then the side with the eight foot door
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:51:39 PM
Not quite big enough to produce an echo, but pretty cavernous for a "Shed."
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:52:38 PM
One of the two "Barn doors."

I chose to keep the trim color the same as the walls so as to not get really "Busy" on this side
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:54:45 PM
Next the other wall went up
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:55:29 PM
Inside is shaping up!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:56:11 PM
Trim, trim, trim!
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:57:42 PM
The rafters were tricky to say the least
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 08:58:46 PM
More roof...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:00:33 PM
Soffets going in Ventilated? Not yet
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:02:10 PM
Interior volume is definitely there!

The dormer ends were stick built and installed piece by piece
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:04:25 PM
Those collar ties are temporary. When I hang the floor joists, they will come out

Roof on front side is getting sheeted up
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on March 08, 2016, 09:04:29 PM
Nice
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:05:12 PM
Nice
Thank ya!

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Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:06:26 PM
Getting ready for some paper and shingles!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:07:25 PM
Gable end getting sheeted up as well
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:10:11 PM
The roof sheeting process had to stop for awhile. The wind was picking up and gusty and those plywood roof panels make a pretty good sail!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:12:18 PM
The first gable end is sheeted, awaiting a window
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:13:56 PM
Basically how things sat at 1830 when everyone threw in the towel!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:17:10 PM
While all that was going on, I pulled some tractor maintenance. I changed the oil and filter, lubed everything and tightened up bolts on the loader arms. I then went off bush hogging the front lane. I finally got rid of those pesky locust trees!

I also cut the nearly vertical embankment to form a gentle angle and provide some much needed clearance
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 09:19:51 PM
Of course the day was not to be without it's necessary carnage.

I ran over a stump with the bush hog running and I guess the clutch didn't slip fast enough, as the driveshaft folded on me destroying it!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: TexasRedNeck on March 08, 2016, 10:03:28 PM
Don, very happy for you. I know it feels good to start to get some permanence to the hide.  As for all the armchair building going on , we care. But just remember one thing a good friend of mine and I had to agree on. When you are writing the check, you are the only one that has to be happy.


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 10:07:53 PM
Don, very happy for you. I know it feels good to start to get some permanence to the hide.  As for all the armchair building going on , we care. But just remember one thing a good friend of mine and I had to agree on. When you are writing the check, you are the only one that has to be happy.


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Copy!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on March 08, 2016, 10:10:36 PM
End with barn doors is gunna be tool shed right? Attach a lean to off that side to work under & would make it very nice..... Or buy a shipping container & place it out about 20' for extra storage and then build roof between the two structures
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 10:13:18 PM
End with barn doors is gunna be tool shed right? Attach a lean to off that side to work under & would make it very nice..... Or buy a shipping container & place it out about 20' for extra storage and then build roof between the two structures
It's getting a shed roof on the back side for the tractor, a shed roof and porch on the front for rocking chairs, and maybe a bit of a roof on the big door side to keep the rain out so i can open door it during the showers...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on March 08, 2016, 10:15:54 PM
Copy
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 08, 2016, 10:20:01 PM

Don, very happy for you. I know it feels good to start to get some permanence to the hide.  As for all the armchair building going on , we care. But just remember one thing a good friend of mine and I had to agree on. When you are writing the check, you are the only one that has to be happy.


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What he said!


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2016, 10:20:26 PM
Danke!
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Post by: cudakidd53 on March 08, 2016, 10:41:57 PM
Really nice Don- upon first look I thought that it needs a steeple, or bell tower....Don's Schoolhouse?
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Post by: KensAuto on March 08, 2016, 10:47:46 PM
That's Nice!!!

You say shed? That would be an office building in some parts!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 08, 2016, 11:28:04 PM
As us armchair builders "suggest", you do know much of this is in fun and experiance over our lives, perhaps a little shorter than yours.

Something I found quick was the bounce in my 14ft floor (16ctr-2x10) With that huge open space you are going to get some bounce. I put a 4x4 under my center on pier blocks.

Sure looks like a nice size "shed"  8)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 07:54:32 AM
As us armchair builders "suggest", you do know much of this is in fun and experiance over our lives, perhaps a little shorter than yours.

Something I found quick was the bounce in my 14ft floor (16ctr-2x10) With that huge open space you are going to get some bounce. I put a 4x4 under my center on pier blocks.

Sure looks like a nice size "shed"  8)

JR, the joists are 12" not 10" and on 16" centers.

Walking on it now, there is no bounce I can detect. Not trying to protect my project per see, but it feels as solid as a rock right now.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 07:56:00 AM
Really nice Don- upon first look I thought that it needs a steeple, or bell tower....Don's Schoolhouse?
Does kind of look like that doesn't it!

Well by the time it gets the shed roof front and rear it will start to look quite different.
Title: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 09, 2016, 08:52:31 AM
Will end up looking like a monitor style barn if my imagination of your lean-to's is accurate, which I think will look awesome


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 09, 2016, 10:46:22 AM
A small "turret" up there would look good. Polk your head up, look around and add a weather station.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on March 09, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Oh boy, as if Don didn't have enough to talk about already! Now he's gunna be a weather man? Let's just hope he doesn't report in the buff like some of those off color cable stations...... :o
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on March 09, 2016, 12:32:04 PM
A small "turret" up there with a crew served weaponwould look good.

Fixed it for ya!  ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Sammconn on March 09, 2016, 07:39:57 PM
Lookin real good chief! For a 'shed', I think it will suffice...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:47:22 PM
Well, got the building completed today and keys handed over. Well, completed by the builder, now I am going to get busy on it!

By the time I got out there this morning the shingles were going on
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:48:22 PM
And the gable ends were completed as well
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 09, 2016, 08:48:55 PM
Have to say I love the color scheme, the green comp looks great on the burgundy paint


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:50:26 PM
Have to say I love the color scheme, the green comp looks great on the burgundy paint


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It's a porter paint barn red color that you see from time to time around here. Mostly our barns are black, but I wanted to add a bit of flair, and I wanted it to match that Privy that Nate sent me plans to.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on March 09, 2016, 08:50:51 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:52:04 PM
The doors were installed, both nine lite service doors and the barn style door
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:53:06 PM
The back side still didn't have shingles, but it was completely sheeted and ready
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:54:42 PM
The inside is big enough I think!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:56:32 PM
I was off working the lane with the tractor, but they steadily chewed away at it, getting closer all the time!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:57:26 PM
Front side shingled...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 08:58:38 PM
Backside going on...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:00:16 PM
Soffets are looking really good. I will probably ventilate then when I throw some insulation into the roof
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:01:56 PM
Jack studs installed and band board lag bolted to the posts
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:02:53 PM
Flashing detail
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Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:03:45 PM
And the "All Done" pic
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:06:12 PM
Back to the lane from the gate down to the house. It is narrow, even after I cut it two feet wider. Today it was my goal to lay back the "Walls" on either side and contour up the thing in preparation for seeding
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:08:01 PM
Using the front bucket, then the blade and the top hoop as a back dragger, and even the box scrapper, the place started to take shape
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:09:30 PM
The Ranger spent the day eating stones and clods of dirt...again...

Taking shape...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:11:26 PM
The carnage was light today. Just one nearly flat front tire, and nothing else.

Check out the intercooler repair from last summer. Looking perfect!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on March 09, 2016, 09:12:15 PM
Dang looks really good Don! Congrats! Nice to see the Taj Mah-shed done!  :D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:13:31 PM
A proper box blade is a very handy tool. This one, an older Frontier industrial construction blade, five feet wide is about perfect for the 66 horsepower Deere
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:15:18 PM
After 5.5 hours of digging and grading, I have it looking pretty good. Now I believe the boys can mow it without toppling onto their noggins
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 09:16:11 PM
And that right there is all she wrote for today's antics!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 09, 2016, 09:17:02 PM
Do you 'push' with the back blade on the box in reverse ever?

I was watching some how to's on using box blades recently, as i'm going to borrow my grampa's Deere 3032e with the box blade soon for some dirt work around our house, and trying to learn the tips and tricks of how to use them best and i didn't realize that they're used a lot to push in reverse
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on March 09, 2016, 09:23:04 PM
I only ever pushed snow in reverse with them. Drop the tines and grade forward ripping up soil with box level. Pull tines up & with it level & you can move a good chunk of dirt around raising it when you get where you're going. To smooth out an area tip the front way up with tines raised & it feathers out the ground leaving it somewhat smooth for a finish.....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on March 09, 2016, 09:23:32 PM
the site is really shaping up, and nice little shed/living qtrs.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 10:01:35 PM
Do you 'push' with the back blade on the box in reverse ever?

I was watching some how to's on using box blades recently, as i'm going to borrow my grampa's Deere 3032e with the box blade soon for some dirt work around our house, and trying to learn the tips and tricks of how to use them best and i didn't realize that they're used a lot to push in reverse

I don't, but you can if you want to. Mostly I angle it so the tines are above the surface and the blade does the cutting. Just drive over the surface...for awhile...and that blade cuts the high spots away.

With a 3032, you will want a smaller box, maybe a 4 footer. Not enough "Butt" in that tractor for a larger blade
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 09, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
Yeah I think his is the 4' version of the frontier like yours. He has a separate back blade too, but I think I'll bring the box blade up


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 10:06:07 PM
the site is really shaping up, and nice little shed/living qtrs.

I'm already moving forward on building the "Shed" out. I ordered 16 sheets of 3/4 tongue and groove plywood today, and will close in on the 26 2 X 10's tomorrow or Friday.

Ciphering out the staircase is a bit challenging. I might loose partial usage of one of the windows in the utility room because of the steps. Talking to Mike, I think I'll use an aggressive 8" step and keep it steep. That way I can insure future injuries which some people rightly deserve and give me an opportunity to splint up broken bones from time to time

It's all about the training!  ;-)))
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 10:06:52 PM
Yeah I think his is the 4' version of the frontier like yours. He has a separate back blade too, but I think I'll bring the box blade up


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Definitely go for the box...a great tool there!
Title: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 09, 2016, 10:08:06 PM
What about a steel spiral staircase? Would save floor real estate? Prob expensive, but maybe could fab one or find one on Craigslist or something

Edit: prob a dumb idea due to cost thinking about it more

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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2016, 10:17:51 PM
What about a steel spiral staircase? Would save floor real estate? Prob expensive, but maybe could fab one or find one on Craigslist or something

Edit: prob a dumb idea due to cost thinking about it more

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We actually discussed it today.

And I once owned a timber Frame home with a spiral steel staircase to the loft.

They still take up a goodly amount of space, and building around them is difficult. I'll go up two steps to a landing, then make a ninety and continue on the adjacent wall. I'll make storage or hide utilities under the landing so it won't be a gross loss of space. Then a closet under the main rise and I have a place to hang a mop. The little Ranger has the M-1 Mop on his drivers license!

Oh speaking of mops, I met a sweet elder lady today. She makes brooms from scratch. She grows the broom corn, harvests it, straightens the broom stuff, the sews it all up. They look cool. You'll see one in my shed soon!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on March 09, 2016, 10:18:52 PM
That's got to be one of the nicest sheds I've ever seen. Congrats on the progress.

Kyle, definitely take the box over the plain blade. If you set the box perfectly level, both front and rear blades will cut forward and backwards and not gouge. I have mine tilted down in the front just slightly for reverse smoothing .(if the front is too far down, it will grab and suck the blade in deeper than you want usually).
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 09, 2016, 11:05:53 PM
Sure is looking good. That fits right in and better access will help to along with non injured JR. Looks like Ranger has become the yard dog.

What about a nice outside staircase along the new overhang. Then a simple ladder in a corner inside for access in inclimate weather or for when you want to go up/down with telling the world? You cab get those telescoping ladders for $75 on ebay. Bolt it to the wall and you just loose 6 inches. Going to do something similar in my garage. 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Wilbur on March 10, 2016, 04:31:44 AM
JR beat me to it. A nice wide outdoor staircase would allow you to easily move stuff in. And ditto on the ladder for moving w/o anyone knowing.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on March 10, 2016, 09:05:10 AM
How about using a drop down, folding stair like you have for attic access in a house? You would only lose a bit of floor space on the second floor, then.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 10, 2016, 09:14:41 AM
Ropes. MAYBE some knots on it.











Just kidding.  ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on March 10, 2016, 09:31:17 AM
Bobby, this is the old man version:
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 10, 2016, 09:38:22 AM
Those will work.

But what about those Acorn staircase chair lifts?  ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on March 10, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
 ;D
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Post by: Nate on March 10, 2016, 10:40:42 AM
shot out!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on March 10, 2016, 11:16:54 AM
shot out!
Splash, over!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2016, 11:18:04 AM
Sure is looking good. That fits right in and better access will help to along with non injured JR. Looks like Ranger has become the yard dog.

What about a nice outside staircase along the new overhang. Then a simple ladder in a corner inside for access in inclimate weather or for when you want to go up/down with telling the world? You cab get those telescoping ladders for $75 on ebay. Bolt it to the wall and you just loose 6 inches. Going to do something similar in my garage. 
Hmmm, JR

And here we see the effectiveness of a forum like this.

People feel free to just put their ideas out there without fear of ridicule

To that I say

JR You Bonehead, What kind of freakin, idiotic, moronic small minded idea is that, you surf side numbskull!

Nah, just kiddin!

I kind of like it bro. But I do have plans to add a porch, a deck, and a landing after some serious earth fillin' on the 8' door side.

Oh and on another note (Or did I mention it already??? The builder thinks I should gut the house and rebuild it into a country cabin. Hmmm, thinkin' about that too now!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
How about using a drop down, folding stair like you have for attic access in a house? You would only lose a bit of floor space on the second floor, then.
Disapproved!

Apply later for final disapproval ;-)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2016, 11:19:47 AM
Those will work.

But what about those Acorn staircase chair lifts?  ;D
You're fired!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2016, 11:22:01 AM
Nate, Sean,

Ah-Splain to our multi cultural, this and that demographic, non MS (Mil-speakin') folkses, what shot and splash means...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 10, 2016, 11:46:37 AM
I have a folding stairs and it take up lots of real estate. You have to keep the floor clear and you loose that room upstairs too (which looks to be at a premium)

My pulldown is going away.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on March 10, 2016, 12:03:20 PM
ok so this is how this works.  by the way sean, splash is supposed to be called after don replies to it.....;D

so as a forward observer (the guy who calls for and directs the artillery and close air support on to the enemy), I would give an initial radio transmission to (the fire direction control center) FDC with a description of the target that I am trying to destroy (this is calling for a fire mission). 

the FDC would then send me back the information of the fire mission and would say "shot" over the radio to let me know that the artillery round that I called for is in the air heading to my target. 

when I hear "shot", I would reply over the radio "shot out".  this signifies that I am aware of what is about to happen and ready to observe the target and make adjustments if needed.

I then observe the target and when I see the round impact on or near the target, I say over the radio "splash".  this signifies to the FDC that the round has impacted and to stand by for corrections / adjustments or battle damage assessments.


so to break this down to this conversation:

the "SHOT":
bobby called don old and said he needed to have a old person chair installed for the stairs because he is unable to climb them.

the "SHOT OUT":
nates way of saying shots fired and rounds are in the air.

the "SPLASH":
should have been kept in wait for don to reply.  (but we all know that tankers are to impatient..........#pokesean....;D)

another way to think about all of this would be:  "drops mic and walks away"




now, another way that most combat arms folks (artillery, infantry, and armor) use this process is when flatulence has been leaked.

the flatuator will say "shot" as a warning to the other Soldiers that a NBC (nuclear, Biological, Chemical) environment is about to exist and to evacuate the location if they do not want to become a casuality.

the first recipient to receive the confirmation of said impending NBC environment or chemical down wind message will reply with "shot over"

now in this scenario,

splash is only used by the flatuator! 

when the flatuator replies with splash, that means that NBC material in a solid or liquid form (not gaseous form) has leaked from the containment facility and is trying to penetrate / slip around the secondary containment garment.  (note, this is not a good situation when this happens!)



 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 10, 2016, 12:34:46 PM
I would give an initial radio transmission to (the fire direction control center) FDC with a description of the target that I am trying to destroy (this is calling for a fire mission). 

Would this fire mission be a grid, shift from KP or a polar.

Is the artillery awake? Is the LT holding the map upside down? Who gave the LT a map?!?

Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on March 10, 2016, 12:40:14 PM
(but we all know that tankers are to impatient..........#pokesean....;D)

Hey! I resemble that remark! LOL
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on March 10, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
when the flatuator replies with splash, that means that NBC material in a solid or liquid form (not gaseous form) has leaked from the containment facility and is trying to penetrate / slip around the secondary containment garment.  (note, this is not a good situation when this happens!)

ROFLMAO! This is definitely not a good situation. Persistent chemical is bad, and takes years to dissipate. In said flatuator, the "stain" would follow him the rest of his days!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on March 10, 2016, 02:09:28 PM
I would give an initial radio transmission to (the fire direction control center) FDC with a description of the target that I am trying to destroy (this is calling for a fire mission). 
Would this fire mission be a grid, shift from KP or a polar.

now the question bobby, did you recite that from immediate memory or did you have to think for a sec?

when the flatuator replies with splash, that means that NBC material in a solid or liquid form (not gaseous form) has leaked from the containment facility and is trying to penetrate / slip around the secondary containment garment.  (note, this is not a good situation when this happens!)
ROFLMAO! This is definitely not a good situation. Persistent chemical is bad, and takes years to dissipate. In said flatuator, the "stain" would follow him the rest of his days!

it will only follow him depending on location of said persistent chem attack and how long had they been in country / deployment.........;D



Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 10, 2016, 02:55:39 PM
That's also referred to as "a low flying goose with bad breath" or in the classroom- crop dusting, wet application...... ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 10, 2016, 03:13:47 PM
Would this fire mission be a grid, shift from KP or a polar.

now the question bobby, did you recite that from immediate memory or did you have to think for a sec?


Memory.

Another question does the artillery think they can get the angle right? I mean they can't get those elusive high angles. ;D
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2016, 04:40:17 PM
That just made me think of the days I had flying over there, fat, dumb, and happy thinking nothing was going to mess up my day when I hear the call over the net, "Blue Rain, Blue Rain, Blue rain, Grid 8-6 Foxtrot, keyhole 9. And looking at the map and realize that's where I am...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on March 10, 2016, 04:47:30 PM
what angles are you talking bout willis?!

That just made me think of the days I had flying over there, fat, dumb, and happy thinking nothing was going to mess up my day when I hear the call over the net, "Blue Rain, Blue Rain, Blue rain, Grid 8-6 Foxtrot, keyhole 9. And looking at the map and realize that's where I am...

yeah that would be a BDE or above level FDC / air space retards not doing their jobs correctly. 
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2016, 06:36:58 PM
what angles are you talking bout willis?!

That just made me think of the days I had flying over there, fat, dumb, and happy thinking nothing was going to mess up my day when I hear the call over the net, "Blue Rain, Blue Rain, Blue rain, Grid 8-6 Foxtrot, keyhole 9. And looking at the map and realize that's where I am...

yeah that would be a BDE or above level FDC / air space retards not doing their jobs correctly. 
I wondered since I was blue force tracker equipped. But hey, big sky, little beehive of artillery shells....
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on March 10, 2016, 06:49:12 PM
not really sure on the math side don, but I am more than positive that you getting hit in mid air with an errant round would be next to if not close to impossible.  as a matter of fact I would relate it closer to the almighty father calling you home before anything else.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 10, 2016, 06:58:56 PM
not really sure on the math side don, but I am more than positive that you getting hit in mid air with an errant round would be next to if not close to impossible.  as a matter of fact I would relate it closer to the almighty father calling you home before anything else.
Well, if I just happened to look up and see a one-five-five on short final for my rotor system, no would have to call anybody, I'd be reportin' at heavens gate ricky-tick!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 11, 2016, 02:17:24 AM
what angles are you talking bout willis?!

I haven't seen an arty crew drop in the near vertical whereas I have in the 81 and 120s...

So #Highanglehell

yes I am that tired/bored at 0117 that I hashtagged.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on March 11, 2016, 08:46:57 AM
we do high angle, but not that close.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 11, 2016, 09:21:49 AM
we do high angle, but not that close.

Ha
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: KensAuto on March 11, 2016, 09:37:05 AM
He said "HA". I think that's different than "Oh". #stirringthepot
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: BobbyB on March 11, 2016, 09:48:03 AM
He said "HA". I think that's different than "Oh". #stirringthepot

They try, but they can't quite get those elusive high angles that are oh so fun.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Nate on March 11, 2016, 10:32:28 AM
ken, the high angles that heavy artillery shoot are for basically going over really high hills / mountains and precision munitions
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2016, 11:33:00 AM
Yackers!

Quit screwin' up my thread!

Consider yourselves all fired, and, well, rehired, but now on probation!  ;)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2016, 09:15:49 PM
HA!

I just removed that page of useless babble

Man, that felt good!

D-DOT Don strikes again!

Destroyer of Derailers of Threads...Don

Ha!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 12, 2016, 02:29:48 AM
You mean you removed a page of well thought out ideas and untold knowledge about something unknown or unfounded?

Say it isn't so!!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 13, 2016, 01:08:51 PM
No not like that! I felt people would be smarter by not reading that stuff! ;-)


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: stlaser on March 13, 2016, 01:11:04 PM
We're being censored by "the man" may have to start a revolt!
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 13, 2016, 01:13:11 PM
Have to use my revolt suppression device (baseball bat) or worse, a thread of wisdom from Hillary and Bernie!


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cj7ox on March 13, 2016, 01:39:29 PM

Have to use my revolt suppression device (baseball bat) or worse, a thread of wisdom from Hillary and Bernie!


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Talk like that could lead to a revolt!


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Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 13, 2016, 04:26:59 PM

Have to use my revolt suppression device (baseball bat) or worse, a thread of wisdom from Hillary and Bernie!


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Talk like that could lead to a revolt!


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Copy that, I'd better back down and let the masses riot a bit and just fix the damage in lieu of riskin' pandamonia! (Sort of like I do all the time anyway!)
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: JR on March 13, 2016, 10:40:53 PM
You backing off is like the the DOTs not doing their thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just saying.
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: Flyin6 on March 14, 2016, 11:01:31 AM
You backing off is like the the DOTs not doing their thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just saying.
Feint...

I'm just saying that

What I do is something different

Special Ops technique

Can't talk about it...
Title: Re: Hide/bugout site build thread
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 14, 2016, 01:17:31 PM
Well, then Special Ops the Square D and tear up some KIA's at the polling places!
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