REAL MAN TRUCKWORKS & SURVIVAL
VEHICLES, CAMPERS, and BOATS => Tires, Wheels, and Suspension => Topic started by: Dawg25385 on April 17, 2015, 03:12:29 PM
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Ok guys, in the next couple months i'm going to be putting new shoes on the truck...
Wheels i have picked out already. Going with a 17". I have no plans to lift or level the truck. The wheels I have picked out are the Helo HE879.
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I wanted to get a thread going on All Terrain Tires. I thought I was decided, but now i'm conflicted. Got a recommendation to not go with BFG A/T's, so i'm researching alternate options.
Whatever I get, it will be a 265/70/R17.
I had originally thought I wanted to go with the BF Goodrich A/T KO2... the new version of the classic A/T...
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I did get some feedback (JR i think?) that these would wear quickly on the diesel... and there is no tread warranty offered with the KO2. Discount Tire has these for $214 per tire. I also saw these tires on another truck, and the more agressive sidewall tread stuff kind looks goofy if you ask me... maybe with a lift and bigger wheel/tire combo, but with standard-ish size tires, kinda looked like a DNR rig LOL
I got to lookin, and think I may be switching my mind and going with the Cooper Discoverer ATP. The ATP is a Discount Tire exclusive. They're $181 per tire, and right now you can get a $70 rebate on a set of 4. They also have a 55k mile tread warranty, which is a big plus over the BFG KO2...
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I ran the Toyo A/T II's on my 08 duramax, and loved them... but they slung gravel like crazy, and they were dang expensive...
What do you guys think? Think the Coopers are a good bet?
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What about the GoodYear DuraTracs? I have them on the Jeep (not the same) but I do seem them on almost all the diesels up here with ATs, so that has to count for something.
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I considered those, but dang they have such aggressive sidewall tread too... and they're pretty expensive for the 10 ply
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I'm sporting a set of Toyo M-55's at the moment.
They are not cheap.
I'm in a unique position at the end of a 200 mile gravel road (crushed black shale. Read arrowheads)
I've about tried them all. And the BFG's are no good as you've heard.
Had been running Terra Grapplers, but only get about 25 -30k out of them. They were my previous best.
The M-55's are wearing like iron. I'm nearing 20k? on them now. At least 75-80% left.
They define throwing rocks though.
They are ok on ice, decent in snow, and pretty good in the mud.
But they are pricey.
I'm on about the same as you're looking at but on a 16.
Sorry to ramble, just used up a lot of tires over the years.
These are worth every penny so far.
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I just talked to my buddy that has an '05 Dodge 3/4 ton with those coopers, told him about you, and he advised against them. He said they are noisy and his #1 complaint was that they "railroaded" pretty bad for the first 20k. He has about 30k and they have been cupping for a while. These were mostly highway miles.
He said he tried them out because they had pretty good reviews.
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Those m-55's sound good, but dang almost 300 per tire... Yikes
Dang, bad news on the coopers ken... That's a major bummer. Gonna make me have to think real hard about this.
I was intrigued by the new Toyo R/T's also, but I'm sure they're gonna be really expensive too.
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It's only one man's opinion Kyle, but I trust him.
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I put the coopers on my 1500 sub but really have no miles on it. I have talked to a few who have them and love them and the price is right.
I have toyos on my Dmax right now. Down to around 1/4 tread so new ones are close. Probably by the end of summer with the new lift kit. I have over 60k on them but they have been great even though I don't rotate as much as I should. Last weekend camping I got into some pretty slick mud with no problems at all.
Last year with about 1/2 tread I was in the fresh virgin snow and ice. I was going up small inclines sideways ad they held great.
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kyle, I was the one talking about the BFG's not holding up to the weight of our trucks. I think I got like 20k (99% HWY) then had to replace them. I currently have the toyo AT's on for almost 2 years now and they are still running great. they get rotated every 5k and I keep them some where around 70psi. I am in about the same boat as JR in have to replace them sometime soon.
here is a pic of when I had them installed like 2 years ago.
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Another vote for the toyos... I did love my toyos on pavement, snow, etc... The gravel slingin just made me cringe.
Thanks for the feedback guys
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I just put new tires on the Duramax- Micheline LTX A/T's. 18's )load range E)
These are wonderful for all-around tires, cruising mulch beds, and towing my 8,000lb camper etc. not sure about mud, as that makes a white truck look like it's totaled.....
$265 each......ouch!
Mike
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I have ran BF Goodrich AT almost exclusively on my two Duramax's and all of my other 4X4 pickups. I will need to replace my current set this summer. They have 36286 miles right now rotating every 5K miles and 60 PSI on Front and 70 PSI on rear.
They are expensive. $380.00 per LT285/55R20, All-Terrain T/A KO
I try to get them siped if the dealer has the machine. They are quiet and I like how they handle the snow and ice. They grip.
I do have a question. The truck came with fender flares but the wheels are set inside the original fender. So I took them off because I thought they looked dumb with the tire inset so much. I would like to buy some new rims when I buy the new tires and move the wheels out about 2" so they line up with the flare. Anyone know what offset that would require? I seem to get conflicting info from the tire shops.
I wouldn't mind dropping wheel size as well to get a little cheaper tire price. The 20" rims seem to drive up the price.
Thanks
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As soon as you go above 17-18 they get pricey for sure. Thin tires are for the street not a truck that needs suspension and half your suspension IS THE TIRE.
I run 295/75-17 and can replace for well under $1000. 17x8 with 4.5 bs and they fit the wheel well nice but I run a 3 inch lift. With 285's you should be OK.
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Dropped by Schwabs yesterday for a quote on the Toyo A/T ii's in 265/70/17...$245 per tire... ouch.
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Pay now or pay later, right?
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Ken... I'm strugglin' with this one.
Part of me is still considering rolling the dice on those ATP's.
650 for a set of those, versus a grand for the Toyo's.
For a truck that I don't daily drive....
Man, don't know what to do.
Saw the Hankook RF10's too, 171 per tire... may have to read up on those a little too.
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I don't envy you. I have never had an issue with making a choice like that...I never let common sense or "budget" dictate my decision, and I bet my credit score would prove it! lol
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I have ran BF Goodrich AT almost exclusively on my two Duramax's and all of my other 4X4 pickups. I will need to replace my current set this summer. They have 36286 miles right now rotating every 5K miles and 60 PSI on Front and 70 PSI on rear.
They are expensive. $380.00 per LT285/55R20, All-Terrain T/A KO
I try to get them siped if the dealer has the machine. They are quiet and I like how they handle the snow and ice. They grip.
I do have a question. The truck came with fender flares but the wheels are set inside the original fender. So I took them off because I thought they looked dumb with the tire inset so much. I would like to buy some new rims when I buy the new tires and move the wheels out about 2" so they line up with the flare. Anyone know what offset that would require? I seem to get conflicting info from the tire shops.
I wouldn't mind dropping wheel size as well to get a little cheaper tire price. The 20" rims seem to drive up the price.
Thanks
Really, you can move all the way down to 17" wheel and get a great selection of MUCH less expensive tires.
I am using an eighteen inch wheel (18 X 9) with a 4.5" B.S. and the tires present about like you are describing. Take a look at the C-Max pics to get a better idea. I am using the Pro-Comp wheel with a 35" tire and about a 7" lift
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I have the goodyears on my 08 , leveled with 295's and they were fine for the first 500 miles then they started getting noisy. honestly thought I had 2 bad wheel bearings. just because I could I put the old wheels and tire back on to verify and sure enough, just noisy tires. although the tread shows no wear after about 15k and 2 rotations. but they hold gravel--- forever!!!! >:(
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My dad just put the cooper ATP tires on his 2011 dmax. So far he has no complaints and from the one trip I took with him across texas they were quiet on the highway and I didn't notice any strange handling from the truck while I was driving. This was while pulling a 16ft lowboy and ranger. And he also has two trips towing the 8000 lb camper with no complaints.
Pulled good in the snot mud at the deer woods also.
I'm trying to decide what tire and size to go with on my dmax seeing as the stock 265/60R20 does not offer many tire choices and the factory good years are terrible off the highway and tend to bubble from what I have seen on my dads and heard from the folks at discount.
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Well I did pull the trigger on some new wheels and tires. I went to an 18" rim with Toyo Open Country M/T 33X12.50R18.
I buy everything via the internet...truck, clothes, tools, etc... so why not wheels and tires. I ordered through rimzoneonline.com and they had no sales tax and free shipping. The price for the package was better than I could find locally even before taxes.
It took about ten days for them to get to MN from NC and when they shipped they didn't have my phone number included so I called the local carrier and picked them up at dock. I then dropped them off new at a local Royal Tire and had them siped. We will see if that was a good move or not but in the past I have siped my BFG AT's and they ran very nice. They also mounted them once done. So far so good.
I can't find any evidence of a lift on front and there is a 1 1/2" block under the leaf in the back so not sure if that is stock. Anyhow they rub when I turned. Not bad but just annoying. So I modified the wheel wells and plastic inner liner and now they are fine unless I am turning and hit a big hole where the front drops heavy.
Sooo the reason for the post. I know have 2600 miles on them. They seem fine so far. They are much more wobbly side to side than my BFG's were but I'm not sure whether that is due to siping or just the tread design.
New they come with 16.7mm of tread depth. After the 2600 miles the fronts now have 15mm and the rears have 13mm. I know new tires will wear faster than older ones but that seems like a lot. I'll keep track but I was hoping to get at least 40K miles out of these. I rotate every 5K miles.
I'll let you know how they wear. It is all daily driver stuff on asphalt. I'm old so I'm not very heavy on the right foot (don't want to waste the money) so I don't think that is it.
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Not sure what you have decided to go with but on the 2500 Yukon, we put Cooper AT3 tires on and they kick but all around. They will go on the 2500HD when the BFG AT KO are done.
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Well I did pull the trigger on some new wheels and tires. I went to an 18" rim with Toyo Open Country M/T 33X12.50R18.
I buy everything via the internet...truck, clothes, tools, etc... so why not wheels and tires. I ordered through rimzoneonline.com and they had no sales tax and free shipping. The price for the package was better than I could find locally even before taxes.
It took about ten days for them to get to MN from NC and when they shipped they didn't have my phone number included so I called the local carrier and picked them up at dock. I then dropped them off new at a local Royal Tire and had them siped. We will see if that was a good move or not but in the past I have siped my BFG AT's and they ran very nice. They also mounted them once done. So far so good.
I can't find any evidence of a lift on front and there is a 1 1/2" block under the leaf in the back so not sure if that is stock. Anyhow they rub when I turned. Not bad but just annoying. So I modified the wheel wells and plastic inner liner and now they are fine unless I am turning and hit a big hole where the front drops heavy.
Sooo the reason for the post. I know have 2600 miles on them. They seem fine so far. They are much more wobbly side to side than my BFG's were but I'm not sure whether that is due to siping or just the tread design.
New they come with 16.7mm of tread depth. After the 2600 miles the fronts now have 15mm and the rears have 13mm. I know new tires will wear faster than older ones but that seems like a lot. I'll keep track but I was hoping to get at least 40K miles out of these. I rotate every 5K miles.
I'll let you know how they wear. It is all daily driver stuff on asphalt. I'm old so I'm not very heavy on the right foot (don't want to waste the money) so I don't think that is it.
Sidewall stiffness is a cost cutter. it's cheaper and easier to layer the nylon in the same direction than diagonally cross it, but you could be experiencing the difference between GM hub-centric wheels vs. aftermarket lug centric which is normal. That type of wear is typical for the first 1000 miles or so until the rubber tempers. it should slow down considerably especially since you siped them, which increases efficiency of heat dispersal. Tires breakdown from heat and friction, but temper just like other materials and depending on the recipe, silica content etc. do so at different rates. after your 1st 5k rotation note the tread depth and again on the following rotation. You started off with 16.668mm or 21/32" tread depth. min depth is 4/32" at the wear bar, an avg of your tread loss between the two rotations should give you your life span pretty accurately, as tread wear increases exponentially the closer you get to the 4/32" mark. Less lug height = less airflow = greater heat retention.
I'm betting the rate you're losing tread drops off sharply after the first 5k.
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Tate... Thanks for the info. I will keep an eye on them. When I was digging around I also saw that they were rated at 75psi max. At the dealer and tire store they always pump up the rears to 80 psi. Since I don't haul any weight in the bed I will drop them down to 65psi like the front but I would imagine that would make them more squirrely in the rear.
I'll post the mm again at the 5K rotation mark.
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I ended up going with the Cooper ATP in 285/70r17. So far so good!
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My new cooper stt are doing nice and not as noisy as I thought they would be. Load range E, not bad for a 35!
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Toyo Open Country M/T 33X12.50R18
Thought I would post up my tire tread usage at my first 5K rotation. They have 5032 miles on them Fronts now rotated to rear have 15mm. Rears now rotated onto fronts have 12mm. So the rear chews up 4mm in 5K miles. Hopefully that rate slows down which I think it should.
Here are some pics showing the siping.
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Same tire on my D-Max. Same thing
I go through two sets of rear tires for each front
I rotate, but the wear on the rear is double the front.
I have that full time locker though which works great...but does cause additional wear.
Personally, I'm good with it as I haven't gone anywhere the truck hasn't been able to crawl out of...yet...
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Sniping and heavy foot,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I had a set of Toyos before, and I hated them. When it rained, I might as well have been on a lubed up ice skating rink. I got a set of the KO2s now, and love them. Time will tell on the wear though.
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I also have the KO2s. I've had them in rain and snow and so far so good. Put them on my w350 last November.
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Well I did pull the trigger on some new wheels and tires. I went to an 18" rim with Toyo Open Country M/T 33X12.50R18.
I buy everything via the internet...truck, clothes, tools, etc... so why not wheels and tires. I ordered through rimzoneonline.com and they had no sales tax and free shipping. The price for the package was better than I could find locally even before taxes.
It took about ten days for them to get to MN from NC and when they shipped they didn't have my phone number included so I called the local carrier and picked them up at dock. I then dropped them off new at a local Royal Tire and had them siped. We will see if that was a good move or not but in the past I have siped my BFG AT's and they ran very nice. They also mounted them once done. So far so good.
I can't find any evidence of a lift on front and there is a 1 1/2" block under the leaf in the back so not sure if that is stock. Anyhow they rub when I turned. Not bad but just annoying. So I modified the wheel wells and plastic inner liner and now they are fine unless I am turning and hit a big hole where the front drops heavy.
Sooo the reason for the post. I know have 2600 miles on them. They seem fine so far. They are much more wobbly side to side than my BFG's were but I'm not sure whether that is due to siping or just the tread design.
New they come with 16.7mm of tread depth. After the 2600 miles the fronts now have 15mm and the rears have 13mm. I know new tires will wear faster than older ones but that seems like a lot. I'll keep track but I was hoping to get at least 40K miles out of these. I rotate every 5K miles.
I'll let you know how they wear. It is all daily driver stuff on asphalt. I'm old so I'm not very heavy on the right foot (don't want to waste the money) so I don't think that is it.
Update on these tires. I really liked them in the winter. On the black ice and snow they stuck to the road very well. They could even stop the heavy truck and cornered good. They feel a little looser than the BFG's on the asphalt but so far thumbs up.
As far as wear. They now have 11904 miles on them. Front and rear both show 11mm of tread left. They have used up 5.7mm of rubber. I don't think I am going to get 40K out of these... :'( We will see.
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^^^Good follow through
I am still happily eating through my ever renewing Toyos
Thing is, although I have to step up and buy tires more frequently, I pay no attention to muddy conditions, trailering, driving on wicked cross slopes next to trees or anything else.
I'm wondering if that truck might not be able to pull Sarge out if it gets stuck!
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I just installed a new set of wheels and went with the Toyo open country A/T, as was previously recommend by others. I really like them so far, they seem to be better off road that I expected for an all terrain tire. Mine are 285/65-18 and rubbed slightly until a bit of massaging with a hammer fixed it. :) Also I was debating between these XD rims and a set of Helo ones. The XD's were available in a +0 offset and the helo's were only available in a -12 offset. I didn't want them to stick out any further than they need to, so I went with the XD. You may want to check the offset options for where ever you are ordering the wheels from.
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Well I did pull the trigger on some new wheels and tires. I went to an 18" rim with Toyo Open Country M/T 33X12.50R18.
I buy everything via the internet...truck, clothes, tools, etc... so why not wheels and tires. I ordered through rimzoneonline.com and they had no sales tax and free shipping. The price for the package was better than I could find locally even before taxes.
It took about ten days for them to get to MN from NC and when they shipped they didn't have my phone number included so I called the local carrier and picked them up at dock. I then dropped them off new at a local Royal Tire and had them siped. We will see if that was a good move or not but in the past I have siped my BFG AT's and they ran very nice. They also mounted them once done. So far so good.
I can't find any evidence of a lift on front and there is a 1 1/2" block under the leaf in the back so not sure if that is stock. Anyhow they rub when I turned. Not bad but just annoying. So I modified the wheel wells and plastic inner liner and now they are fine unless I am turning and hit a big hole where the front drops heavy.
Sooo the reason for the post. I know have 2600 miles on them. They seem fine so far. They are much more wobbly side to side than my BFG's were but I'm not sure whether that is due to siping or just the tread design.
New they come with 16.7mm of tread depth. After the 2600 miles the fronts now have 15mm and the rears have 13mm. I know new tires will wear faster than older ones but that seems like a lot. I'll keep track but I was hoping to get at least 40K miles out of these. I rotate every 5K miles.
I'll let you know how they wear. It is all daily driver stuff on asphalt. I'm old so I'm not very heavy on the right foot (don't want to waste the money) so I don't think that is it.
Update on these tires. I really liked them in the winter. On the black ice and snow they stuck to the road very well. They could even stop the heavy truck and cornered good. They feel a little looser than the BFG's on the asphalt but so far thumbs up.
As far as wear. They now have 11904 miles on them. Front and rear both show 11mm of tread left. They have used up 5.7mm of rubber. I don't think I am going to get 40K out of these... :'( We will see.
Had tires rotated so will update after currently putting 16,314 miles on the set. Odo is at 93499. Front have 8.5mm and Rear have 10mm.
Rear
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Front
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With winter coming up not sure I will make it though without buying another set. And I drive like an Old Man TOO!!
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I ended up trading for a set of H2 wheels with LT285/70R17 Cooper AT3 tires. I also got the spare with the original 315 BFG all terrain. I'm not sure of the mileage but they have quite a bit of tread left. My plan is to run a more aggressive set of tires during winter/hunting season and a light all terrain tire during the summer for better mileage. But first, since I have them, I'll wear these two sets out. I cleaned and mounted them up tonight and they're rubbing quite a bit. I suppose I have no choice but to add some preload to the torsion bars so I don't have to trim the front bumper. I didn't want to do that but I also don't want to drop the money for a quality lift so I think this is my best option. Since I'll have to have an alignment done after the torsion bar adjustment anyway I might as well add a set of tie rod sleeves while I'm at it. Is there anything specifically I should look for or avoid while I'm under it tomorrow adding preload to the torsion bars? (http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n498/jamesguilliams/Vehicles/5C79B4E6-743B-4A23-9CA4-5DA2B8CA2BE0.jpg) (http://s1136.photobucket.com/user/jamesguilliams/media/Vehicles/5C79B4E6-743B-4A23-9CA4-5DA2B8CA2BE0.jpg.html)
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Just don't crank them all the way is about it. You need down travel as much as up.
They should adjust easy with it jacked up.
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I'd also add do it in little steps. Half turn or so at a time.
Crank it go for a drive to settle it out, and repeat as necessary.
Like JR said don't max it out.
It will take the flatter stock angles and make them not so nice, but a little bit can be done.
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I personally jack the truck up before cranking on the bolts....less stress on them. Oh, and mark them so you can count the turns and keep them even.
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I personally jack the truck up before cranking on the bolts....less stress on them. Oh, and mark them so you can count the turns and keep them even.
Sound advice, I do the same.
Stock you are good to about 1.5 inches, but measure.
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I think you might end up needing to trim that bottom of the bumper just a tad. The suspension will still move up and rub
Raising boys into RealMen!!
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I think you might end up needing to trim that bottom of the bumper just a tad. The suspension will still move up and rub
Raising boys into RealMen!!
You are right about that. I lifted the truck 1" with a jack under the front crossmember and it still wants to rub. I don't want to raise it more than an inch so I'll have to do some trimming. Which tool will make a clean cut on that plastic? I plan to measure each side so I get them trimmed evenly. I'm not fond of eyeballing much of anything.
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If you have a strong wrist, a boxcutter will give the cleanest line. A cutoff wheel/die grinder or an oscillating tool will also work.
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Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply and answer my questions. I'll give the boxcutter a shot and see what happens. Before I started, the driver's side measured 38 1/2 and the passenger's side measured 38 3/8. Now, the driver's side measures 39 5/8 and the passenger's is 39 3/8. I had my wife sit in the driver's seat and it brought the driver's side down within 1/8 of the passenger's side. I'm thinking with my added weight it should be even with me sitting in it. The tires are of course still rubbing but I don't want to go any higher than it is now. I like the bigger tires and wheels but I'm not going to sacrifice CV angles and upper ball joints to run them. Given my choices, I'll trim the lower valance. Since it will need an alignment anyway I'm going to order a set of tie rod sleeves from rough country and install them before the alignment. Sleeves should suit my needs and are much cheaper than the HD tie rods from Rare Parts or Cognito.
The measurements I took are from the ground to the top inside of the fender well. Is there a more consistent, reliable location to get my measurements?
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I had to take a 30 minute drive to attend a bake sale for a firefighter who is battling cancer. As soon as we got back a storm blew in so instead of hurrying to get the fenders cut I'm going to wait until I have more time. This is not something I want to rush. After some final adjustment there is only 1/8" of difference between the drivers and passenger's side (drawing a straight line through the center of the wheels). Even though they seem to be even I need to trim about 2" off of the passenger side but less than 1" off of the drivers side. I'm not sure what is causing this difference but I want to double check my work before I take off material. I wish I wasn't so ocd about some things.
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For the rear of the fender where the real rub occurs you can gin almost 2 inches. Lots of how too's on it, worked great for me. I just rub with 35's and 3in lift.
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I think a box cutter or even a slow speed air saw will work, of course sand and round your edges clean no matter what tool you use.
You can look for the larger fender mod on line. Really easy to accomplish as JR was saying. It's a ugly do it yourself but I gained bunches of room also. But that is only for the back side of the fender
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Here is what I did to mine. Not hard at all and looks good.
https://youtu.be/MZ_e_yoVj5Y
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Toyo Open Country 33x12.5R 18LT tires.
Update on tires after rotation on 2/1/17. Odometer at 99956. Tread on tires at 9.0mm Front and Back. 22,771 miles on the set as of right now.
I measured 8.5mm before so not sure what happened there. Poor tech skills I would assume. But not too much wear for 6457 miles. I have to say I am not very impressed with them on ice. My BFG's were much better. Even with these siped. As another has mentioned they still seem to wander more than others.
They should last me at least through the summer so we will see how much they wear from now on.
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longball you might use a dremel to clean up whatever you do....I find those really great for "cleaning" up stuff I have cut.
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Reviving an old thread to give an update... my Cooper ATPs are junk. Ken was right. They've been balanced 3 times in 2 weeks, still shakes like a b**** at 45-50mph. Finally the tech today said they're in balance, but appear to be out of round.
Luckily they've got a 55k mile warranty, so I'll get most of my money back.
Now, what to get to replace... my options at Discount Tire are really the Terra Grap G2 or the BFG KO2. Can't wait for a special order, have a big camping trip coming up and leaving this weekend. Leaning Nitto since it has a 50k mile warranty, no tread warranty on the BFGs. As soon as this next set wears out, I'm going back to Toyo, but can't do it now since DT doesn't carry them.
What do you guys think... Nitto over BFG?
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I have the ATP on the 1500 sub, but selling it. Discount here sure likes em.
Now my Cooper STTs are doing great. Still around 1/4+ tread on em so it looks like next year for new ones. However I will go AT this time. Between the noise and the wear I want more.
As for Nitto vs BFG. My nittos wore out fast, like Toyos better. Haven't BFG in a long time (price)
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Reviving an old thread to give an update... my Cooper ATPs are junk. Ken was right. They've been balanced 3 times in 2 weeks, still shakes like a b**** at 45-50mph. Finally the tech today said they're in balance, but appear to be out of round.
Luckily they've got a 55k mile warranty, so I'll get most of my money back.
Now, what to get to replace... my options at Discount Tire are really the Terra Grap G2 or the BFG KO2. Can't wait for a special order, have a big camping trip coming up and leaving this weekend. Leaning Nitto since it has a 50k mile warranty, no tread warranty on the BFGs. As soon as this next set wears out, I'm going back to Toyo, but can't do it now since DT doesn't carry them.
What do you guys think... Nitto over BFG?
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I'd go for the Nitto just because of the warranty.
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Nitto and toyo are made by the same company iirc. I like the G2s I have on the LB7. A bit softer than the exo grappler I have on the Dually. I'd look at the exo if you spend anytime off-road. Terra if you are just pounding pavement.
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I currently have Toyo Open Country on mine and will need to change them out in a couple of months. I'm a pavement pounder so I don't need the lugs. They started with 16.67mm of tread and now they are at a little under 6mm with only 29,000 miles. That is terrible in my book for easy driving on pavement.
I will be going back to BFG T/A KO2 305/65R18 $340.97 per tire but right now until end of December they have a mail in rebate of $60 for the set. Still expensive but if I can get 45,000 mile out of them vs 30,000 on the Toyo and much less squirm and road noise I think I will be happier. Before the Toyo's I always ran BFG's and was happy with them.
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I have the BFG ko2 on mine. Tire rack website 843 a set delivered. I run 265's on mine. About 20 K on them so far and they are holding up good. I live close to the distribution center so I saved shipping also.
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I'm currently running The Mastercraft Courser AXT. they do have a 50k warranty in the "E" range and if I remember correctly, they were under $200 per tire. I have had them on for roughly 2 years now and pulled trailer from tx up to wa and still have more than half tread left.
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I'm currently running The Mastercraft Courser AXT. they do have a 50k warranty in the "E" range and if I remember correctly, they were under $200 per tire. I have had them on for roughly 2 years now and pulled trailer from tx up to wa and still have more than half tread left.
Nate, how are they for noise? I am impressed they have a 50k warranty now, however back in the day they were some loud tires and always seemed to get louder as they wore.
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Nitto and toyo are made by the same company iirc. I like the G2s I have on the LB7. A bit softer than the exo grappler I have on the Dually. I'd look at the exo if you spend anytime off-road. Terra if you are just pounding pavement.
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Nitto and Toyo are the same company. They both have the same angled belting that makes them ride smoother, and the nitto's have a rep for better tread life. (used to sell toyos at les schwab back in the day). my $0.02
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Here's the tire I settled on. Will install them before winter
Price just can't be beat and great reviews
Radar tire
http://www.ntwonline.com/Radar-Renegade-R7-MT-C4197.aspx
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Here's the tire I settled on. Will install them before winter
Nope disapproved... cause of some reason or another, you know sciency type reasons.
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I'm currently running The Mastercraft Courser AXT. they do have a 50k warranty in the "E" range and if I remember correctly, they were under $200 per tire. I have had them on for roughly 2 years now and pulled trailer from tx up to wa and still have more than half tread left.
Nate, how are they for noise? I am impressed they have a 50k warranty now, however back in the day they were some loud tires and always seemed to get louder as they wore.
truthfully they are pretty quiet
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Here's the tire I settled on. Will install them before winter
Nope disapproved... cause of some reason or another, you know sciency type reasons.
Disapproved?!?
Now what am I gonna do ;-)
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Well, only 2 were "bad", and so they won't warranty the other too. So it would have been 750 bucks to go to the BFGs or 650 to get into the Nittos. Not happening, so they're going to warranty the 2 ATPs for basically nothing. I've still got 14/32 tread, and the new ones are 17/32.
When these wear out, I'm going back to Toyos
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And there it is.
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So I will be in tomorrow for my SIXTH visit in a month to DT. Back to Schwabs after this nonsense
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I think quality issues know, no borders
I have two Toyos that will not balance, and now go "rump-rump-rump" down the road
Good thing about owning aggressive mud tires, and a real locker, and going off road quite a bit is that the tires don't last long which keeps fresh sets cycling in on a regular basis
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Don't know if they make them in your size, I'm running Toyo M-55's.
Tough as nails, I'm on a lot of crushed rock.
My old set, has 70ish k miles on them. They are not done, likely 1/4" tread left.
I switched them out for winter with a new set, and seemingly forgot to put them back on this spring.
To put it in perspective, I totally killed a set of Terra's in 35-40k miles.
Now, having said that, they were my go to's until I was tipped to the M-55's.
As a pavement queen, you likely don't need this type of tough, but they are just that.
Noisier than the Terra's, but not as bad as any MT.
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Bummer about the Cooper's Kyle.... I really like my A/T3's - but I don't put on as many miles as most of you (8000+/- in the last 2 years).
Meet up and swap you tires/wheels for the trip?? ;)
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Don't know if they make them in your size, I'm running Toyo M-55's.
Tough as nails, I'm on a lot of crushed rock.
My old set, has 70ish k miles on them. They are not done, likely 1/4" tread left.
I switched them out for winter with a new set, and seemingly forgot to put them back on this spring.
To put it in perspective, I totally killed a set of Terra's in 35-40k miles.
Now, having said that, they were my go to's until I was tipped to the M-55's.
As a pavement queen, you likely don't need this type of tough, but they are just that.
Noisier than the Terra's, but not as bad as any MT.
TOYO M-55's, aka toughest tire known to man! I've seen sets of those go 80k. absolutely have nothing negative to say because the road noise just reminded me how much lug was left. sipe the center treads and watch out. not much sidewall flex for airing down and muddin' but for a working tire or for driving in conditions that you're in Sam, there's nothing better. They are, however, not cheap. The biggest they make is roughly 33", but they do come in 17 and 18" rim diameters.
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I surely can't complain about them.
I think had I swapped old ones on this spring I'd be around 80 on them now.
It's too late for this year now, but I do plan to see how far I can torture them.
Never did sipe the centers, and maybe should, but I'd hate to compromise the tough.
The size choices are limited, so that will be a problem for some.
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Just sipe the center treads, outer lugs protect them from spalling, and increases their wet pavement performance like a million percent. I had the local newspaper van fleet maintenance account back in the day and in WA we can run studded tires since we just throw sand at snow and ice. all the e350 van's were running siped and studded m55's and I shot myself in the foot because rather than replacing all their tires every other year it was more like every 5 years after that.
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The M55s are what all the oil field hands run. The shop back home sells quite a lot of them because of their ability to not be destroyed by all kinds of crappy roads. If I was on dirt more than pavement or even half and half that would be a solid tire choice.
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I was planning on getting a set of ATP's when my current tires wear out. Guess I'll reconsider. I'd like a set made it the USA but those are getting harder to find.
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I have the new Nitto Ridge Grapplers on the Excursion and I freakin love them! Quiet, smooth but have enough bite
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Those look nice, around $300 for a 35 incher though.
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Kyle I'm surprised at DT in your area. Mine has always been awesome. I even had michelin pilot sports on a benz that were $1600+ per set and in 2000 miles my alignment guy could not get the car to stop pulling left. He thought it might have been a bad belt in the front tires and DT warrantied the 2 fronts at no costs. It didn't fix it but they still took care of it.
I have a dozen stories like that, which is why I keep going back.
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Kyle I'm surprised at DT in your area. Mine has always been awesome. I even had michelin pilot sports on a benz that were $1600+ per set and in 2000 miles my alignment guy could not get the car to stop pulling left. He thought it might have been a bad belt in the front tires and DT warrantied the 2 fronts at no costs. It didn't fix it but they still took care of it.
I have a dozen stories like that, which is why I keep going back.
They're nice enough guys, but 6 times in a month to determine 2 tires are bad, replace them, and I still have to pay money is crap. I've prob burned a tank of diesel just driving back and forth. Not to mention the bozo that "re-balanced" them told me they were perfect, and when I called him out and said no way, it shakes like crazy, he punted and told me and it was the suspension. Which of course Schwabs laughed at when I took it down there.
I'm going back to the Toyo A/Tii or the new R/T next.
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I really like the Nittos I have now, compared to the mud grapplers I took off...never had a balance issue at all (had both over 110 mph), but they just aren't meant for city driving. .. it looks like I'm only going to get about 30k out of them. I have learned that with these heavy trucks, going around corners really easy extends the life quite a bit, even without a hardcore locker like Don's.
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Kyle I'm surprised at DT in your area. Mine has always been awesome. I even had michelin pilot sports on a benz that were $1600+ per set and in 2000 miles my alignment guy could not get the car to stop pulling left. He thought it might have been a bad belt in the front tires and DT warrantied the 2 fronts at no costs. It didn't fix it but they still took care of it.
I have a dozen stories like that, which is why I keep going back.
They're nice enough guys, but 6 times in a month to determine 2 tires are bad, replace them, and I still have to pay money is crap. I've prob burned a tank of diesel just driving back and forth. Not to mention the bozo that "re-balanced" them told me they were perfect, and when I called him out and said no way, it shakes like crazy, he punted and told me and it was the suspension. Which of course Schwabs laughed at when I took it down there.
I'm going back to the Toyo A/Tii or the new R/T next.
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Kyle the R/T is a good tire. Loved them on my 2013 Ram Cummins.
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I currently have Toyo Open Country on mine and will need to change them out in a couple of months. I'm a pavement pounder so I don't need the lugs. They started with 16.67mm of tread and now they are at a little under 6mm with only 29,000 miles. That is terrible in my book for easy driving on pavement.
I will be going back to BFG T/A KO2 305/65R18 $340.97 per tire but right now until end of December they have a mail in rebate of $60 for the set. Still expensive but if I can get 45,000 mile out of them vs 30,000 on the Toyo and much less squirm and road noise I think I will be happier. Before the Toyo's I always ran BFG's and was happy with them.
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Update on the Toyo's. I pulled them off on Friday with 4mm left on tread after 39946 miles. I can't say I was too impressed with them for the cost and my use which is pretty much snow and ice pavement daily driver. I also had them siped and they were not that great on snow and ice.
I had BFG KO2's put on. 305/65R 18 at Discount Tire instead of more Toyo's so we will see how they do. One odd thing I noticed was that the BFG's have 15/32 (~12mm) tread new. The Toyo's had 21/32 (16.7mm)advertised but checking my notes on the Toyo's after 2614 miles they were at 15mm and 13mm front and back. So Toyo starts off with more meat but seemed to wear the first few mm off pretty quick. we will see how the BFG's last. Hopefully I get more than 40K on them.
We had 10 inches of snow this weekend and roads were snow and ice this morning coming into work. The BFG's gripped so much better. I could actually stop on the ice. :likebutton:
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Here are the new BFG's. I don't have pics of the old Toyo's. They kept them at the Discount Tire shop.
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What’s the load rating on those bfg’s? Just curious I always thought of them as a light duty tire.
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You can get them in load range E,
I had envisioned the km2s like Don went with. I have heard nothing but good things from the Bfg Ats. I won’t deviate from those again #nittonothappy
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The All Terrain have changed and I heard mixed reviews about them.
I am getting close to a new set again, will go with 37s this time with a gear change. Still have almost a 1/4 on the rear, more on the front.
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What’s the load rating on those bfg’s? Just curious I always thought of them as a light duty tire.
These are load rating E. Max load of 3525 which is more than the Toyo’s I just took off.
These are so much quieter.
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Thats the biggie next time. I would love quieter tire but love the traction of the muds.
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I have had lots of good luck with Firestone this past few years. I have transforce A/T on my duramax. Not very aggressive though. I had Firestone Destination A/T on the farm truck. Not as aggressive as BFG A/T but they get around really good. Mud, snow, ice whatever. They wear really good too. No complaints.
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What’s the load rating on those bfg’s? Just curious I always thought of them as a light duty tire.
These are load rating E. Max load of 3525 which is more than the Toyo’s I just took off.
These are so much quieter.
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I'd be so very interested in seeing how these BFG AT's behave over time.
I would have had them installed when I picked up the MT's except for
1. The fact that I am driving in mud or off road every week
2. The less that 1/2" of tread depth
Shallow tread has nothing to do with deep mud traction. and that grizzly locker of mine (Which I love and btw, thanks again Tate!) eats tires for breakfast lunch and dinner!
Please keep us posted.
I'm thinking a monthly reading and assessment should work nicely...So...Git er done!
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What’s the load rating on those bfg’s? Just curious I always thought of them as a light duty tire.
These are load rating E. Max load of 3525 which is more than the Toyo’s I just took off.
These are so much quieter.
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I'd be so very interested in seeing how these BFG AT's behave over time.
I would have had them installed when I picked up the MT's except for
1. The fact that I am driving in mud or off road every week
2. The less that 1/2" of tread depth
Shallow tread has nothing to do with deep mud traction. and that grizzly locker of mine (Which I love and btw, thanks again Tate!) eats tires for breakfast lunch and dinner!
Please keep us posted.
I'm thinking a monthly reading and assessment should work nicely...So...Git er done!
You got it! :beercheers: