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Gun Control...The truth
« on: December 07, 2016, 02:23:53 PM »
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STATS and FACTS, not Propaganda, about Gun Control that Libs and PETAs refuse to Acknowledge....It's Government Control


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Interesting Facts About Gun Control

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed.  U.S. Population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016.

Do the math:  0.000000925% of the population die from gun related actions each year.  Statistically speaking, this is insignificant!

What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:

*    65%  of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
*    15%  are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
*    17%  are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons - gun violence
*    3%  are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100.  Still too many?  Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
*    480 homicides (9.4%)  were in Chicago
*    344 homicides (6.7%)  were in Baltimore
*    333 homicides (6.5%)  were in Detroit
*    119 homicides (2.3%)  were in Washington D.C.  (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities.  All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.

This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation  -  or about 75 deaths per state.  That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others.
For example, California had 1,169  -  and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far?  California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this.  It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states.  So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific?  How about in comparison to other deaths?  All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime.  Robbery, death, rape, assault  -  all are done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous.  That's why they are criminals.

But what about other deaths each year?
*  40,000+ die from a drug overdose - THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
*  36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
*  34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good:
*  200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors.    You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!

*  710,000 people die per year from heart disease.  It's time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point?  If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).  A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides  ......  Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!

So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?  It's pretty simple.  Taking away guns gives control to governments.

The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies.  It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.

Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution.  It must be preserved at all costs.

So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster:  "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe.  The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.    A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power."

Remember, when it comes to "gun control", the important word is "control", not "gun".

Surprisingly, these are not the statistics you hear about from the media or from the White House...........ever wonder why??
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2016, 02:40:11 PM »
Amen!
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?The citizens of a free state ought to consist of those only who bear arms.? ~Aristotle

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2016, 12:30:03 AM »
Don can you share your source?  Makes the argument with a liberal more fun to watch their head explode


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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2016, 08:26:42 AM »
Gotta love beating liberals over their head with facts. Of course, if they understood facts they wouldn't be liberals in the first place....

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2016, 09:30:17 AM »
Don can you share your source?  Makes the argument with a liberal more fun to watch their head explode


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Tex, was sent to me by a very high ranking Armee officer friend of mine. He likes aggravating his warrant officer friends. I think I deleted the source stuff which was co-mingled with his address, which I protect.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2016, 11:43:49 PM »
Roger.


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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2017, 07:44:54 AM »
Just a small side note sparked from this great information.

Is it coincidence that those that don't want guns are ok with MORE government?  And those that hold A2 with conviction want less...I think not. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2017, 09:26:20 AM »
Just a small side note sparked from this great information.

Is it coincidence that those that don't want guns are ok with MORE government?  And those that hold A2 with conviction want less...I think not. 
Also has a direct coorelation with brain power.

THose not wanting guns apparently posses very little cognitive brain power

Those who do have and use guns, are thinking, pragmatic, people

Sheep don't want guns either

and Wolves,

Wolves don't want a lot of gunz around

But the sheep dogs, now that crowd likes the freedom to move about in wolf country that carrying guns affords them
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2017, 10:49:50 AM »
Exactly.  We who carry firearms do think, and often.  Well let's say the ones that should be carrying.  I think about the unseen and unknown every day.  I remain at very least condition yellow at all times.  By doing so I choose to protect not only my family and myself, but those around me.  This is something that the sheeple are unable to understand.  Their utopian bubble is more like the Truman Show than reality with big brother watching.  You summed it up perfectly with your post about the different types of people.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2017, 02:51:56 PM »
Who knows the four rules of firearms safety?
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2017, 03:41:40 PM »
My two daughters do.


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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2017, 03:44:00 PM »
1. Every weapon is always loaded
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not wish to kill or destroy.
3. Never place your finger in the trigger guard until you are on target and ready to fire.
4. Know your target and what's beyond it.


If all else fails.....


You may beat me to death with my weapons but you'll never shoot me with it as it will be empty by the time you get to me....


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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2017, 03:50:43 PM »
My sons do as well.  Since they were about 5.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2017, 03:57:49 PM »
1. Every weapon is always loaded
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not wish to kill or destroy.
3. Never place your finger in the trigger guard until you are on target and ready to fire.
4. Know your target and what's beyond it.


If all else fails.....


You may beat me to death with my weapons but you'll never shoot me with it as it will be empty by the time you get to me....


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We made everyone there repeat those rules, then would call out someone from time to time to repeat them back...
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2017, 04:09:31 PM »
1. Every weapon is always loaded
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not wish to kill or destroy.
3. Never place your finger in the trigger guard until you are on target and ready to fire.
4. Know your target and what's beyond it.


If all else fails.....


You may beat me to death with my weapons but you'll never shoot me with it as it will be empty by the time you get to me....


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I like that last part Tex. I'll assume that that is why you prefer to carry plastic. ;)
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2017, 04:38:38 PM »
1. Every weapon is always loaded
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not wish to kill or destroy.
3. Never place your finger in the trigger guard until you are on target and ready to fire.
4. Know your target and what's beyond it.


If all else fails.....


You may beat me to death with my weapons but you'll never shoot me with it as it will be empty by the time you get to me....


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I like that last part Tex. I'll assume that that is why you prefer to carry plastic. ;)
Ken the plastic ensures it will be empty. Lol.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2017, 05:36:14 PM »
I don't disagree with the sentiment, just just to keep things on the up-and-up, using those numbers your percent is a little off:

To figure percent:

33,000 / 324,059,091 = x / 100
33,000 / 324,059,091 * 100 = x
0.0092575708669133% = x

Just sayin! Still not significant of course.

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2017, 06:26:37 PM »
Touch? Ken.

I make my daughters, and anyone I train, repeat those every time before a range session.


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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2017, 08:21:45 PM »
1. Every weapon is always loaded
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not wish to kill or destroy.
3. Never place your finger in the trigger guard until you are on target and ready to fire.
4. Know your target and what's beyond it.


If all else fails.....


You may beat me to death with my weapons but you'll never shoot me with it as it will be empty by the time you get to me....


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I have been told that you show your 1911 to your friends and your Glock to your enemies.

I like that last part Tex. I'll assume that that is why you prefer to carry plastic. ;)
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2017, 08:50:00 PM »
Ouch Matt!

Taught my girls the same, went shooting enough to make it stick (or so I thought), a couple years lapse while they were in college, and recently took one of them out, and it was like she forgot all the basics. I was quite perturbed at myself for not taking them out more often.

....and super ouch from Sam!

Speaking of Sam, where's that caribou meat? Wish I was there....well....except for the cold part (70s here today)
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2017, 10:07:39 PM »
Hope you know that I think you use whatever you like and practice. I would be proud to have you next to me if needed.
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2017, 10:20:48 PM »
Thank you...means a lot.
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2017, 11:08:25 PM »
Sorry Ken...
He food on the hoof is still afoot.
Cabin on hold for the weekend by HH6, so going out for a ride to try and find them.
Not sure if truck or sled. Time will tell.
-35 forecast for tonight or cooler, extreme cold warning.
Wind chill in the -45 to -55 range overnight.
BRR... That's even cold to me...but not the end of the world.
It is supposed to warm up by Sunday to the zero range. Will be a welcome break.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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