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Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« on: December 14, 2017, 12:20:07 PM »
OK, gents I just purchased a magazine fed shotgun

And the next one of you who volunteers me for anything is fired forever, no chance of ever even thinkin' about talkin' to anyone about returnin'!

Am I clear, Charles!

So, called out because of my own trap, I was challenged to pick up that Remington tactical shotgun.

Knowin' that the bonehead from Texas could be "dun one better," I went to Black Ace Tactical, who build a bunch of short barreled ATF approved non-NFA guns for we consumers.

I wanted a more concealable and more CQB friendly long gun for the church security teams I am helping, so this gun just begs to be used for defense of our father's house.

Its a model DT. Has a 8.5" barrel, shortened wrist stablizer and stock thing, and is a 12 gage.
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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 12:25:10 PM »
This weapon is not NFA so all you do is buy the thing and go shoot the range up with it.

Obviously, I'll have a lot more information on it when I get the thing and run it some. I'll have my Marine and Seal buds run it too so you get a decent review of how the thing works

It's a wicked looking thing to be sure.
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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2017, 12:30:41 PM »
It comes with either a 5 round or a 10 round mag, I opted for the larger mag and ordered an extra so wee could experiment with mag changes. Truth is, I should have picked up a couple more mags so that folks could run drills without constantly cycling to the ammo table to refresh.

If you want one of these yourself, contact:

John Quidgley 407 720-6683 to get one shipped to your FFL. I think the retail is $1299, but talk with him to see if that is a hard and fast number. He's a Marine, so expect a good/safe/honest transaction. He was really good dealing with just now on the phone.

Oh and the gun ships with the ATF release letter so if asked, you can prove the weapons legality. (Almost wrote lethality ;-)
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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2017, 01:36:54 PM »
It's a pistol!! Well on paper! That's a nifty little contraption!


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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2017, 02:17:53 PM »
Only thing I don't like about it, is that it's biased towards right handed responders - I'd like a more ambidextrous set-up more for a squad weapon such as your Church security team.  Cool set-up though!
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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 04:52:00 AM »
Chief, how?s one to operate the tang mounted safety while using a pistol grip? Off safe once and leave it there....?


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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 08:00:26 AM »
Super jelly, chief.  You?ll reinstate me once you get it and realize the wisdom of my Jedi mind trick.

Looking forward to the results of the testing. I may have to pick one up for the truck.


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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 08:26:47 AM »
Appreciate the feedback so far gents. If anyone has any questions feel free to give me a ring at any time.

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 09:38:01 AM »
Super jelly, chief.  You?ll reinstate me once you get it and realize the wisdom of my Jedi mind trick.

Looking forward to the results of the testing. I may have to pick one up for the truck.


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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 09:44:46 AM »
Appreciate the feedback so far gents. If anyone has any questions feel free to give me a ring at any time.
John, answer this one asked a few posts up^^^^^

"Chief, how?s one to operate the tang mounted safety while using a pistol grip? Off safe once and leave it there....?"

Folks, Sgt John is an ex-Marine Sergeant (Jar head for the Armee folks here, Big scary guy to all the Air Force girl scouts! ;-)

Met him on the phone yesterday after Tex made the subliminal suggestion that I immediately knew what he was tryin' to do, thing.
Anyway, I went off on the hunt and found the Black Ace Tactical site, read, then called and John answered.

He is a real deal shooter and can likely answer those what it questions better than this helo pilot could, so ask him. And check out his site and if so inclined order from him so we bless a brother.

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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2017, 09:49:39 AM »
Chief, how?s one to operate the tang mounted safety while using a pistol grip? Off safe once and leave it there....?


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Now, I'd never actually do anything like this, but if one rested that wrist brace (temporarily, of course) on one's shoulder, then one could operate those tangs just like they always did.
Darned shame we aren't allowed to do that!
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2017, 09:54:39 AM »
10-4. That would make it easier but obviously us peasants can?t be trusted to shoulder anything that short. I have faith that you?ll figure out a solution.


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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2017, 10:06:43 AM »
Chief. Not sayin but I posted up the black ace tactical over a year ago. I planted the mind trick seed that far in advance.  However to atone, feel free to send it my way and I?ll write you a check for $900


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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2017, 10:46:44 AM »
Our receivers are loosely based of the Mossberg 590. Only difference is we add a larger selector switch and honestly its shooters preference. When I run our Pro Series DT model or Pro Series 5, I put safety off fire my rounds and make condition 4 unless i am loading another magazine. As far as the Pistol Brace being shouldered, it is legal. In May-April of this year the ATF deemed the brace to be shouldered. So if you have one..shoulder it..its a blast haha.

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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2017, 12:20:44 PM »
John.... any known sensitivity to ammo? Or will it eat most anything?

Farmer here, I tend to let shells roll around in my pickup on the floor a while before using them.

Sales tip: Coat one in bright Red, and TexasRedneck will buy one on pure impulse  :grin:

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2017, 12:34:14 PM »
It will take mostly anything. We have seen some issues with new federal and fiocchi. Reason is we have noticed changes in each batch we receive. We recommend old Federal, Remington #7, #8 Bird and Managed recoil Buck. We can make our models in any color or design.
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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2017, 06:51:25 PM »
Chief. Not sayin but I posted up the black ace tactical over a year ago. I planted the mind trick seed that far in advance.  However to atone, feel free to send it my way and I?ll write you a check for $900


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You call that atonement?

I can think of another word

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2017, 08:33:02 PM »

Sales tip: Coat one in bright Red, and TexasRedneck will buy one on pure impulse  :grin:
Norm now you are just being mean.

But it?s true John. A red receiver/black everywhere else would be tempting.

Don it was worth a try


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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2017, 01:08:43 PM »
Did we just get a new member of the forum? 


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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2017, 01:47:46 PM »
Did we just get a new member of the forum? 


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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2017, 02:22:22 PM »
You have some mad recruiting skills. 


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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2017, 03:43:45 PM »
You have some unorthodox recruiting skills. 


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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2017, 04:27:20 PM »
I don?t know how that is unorthodox but however you term it.  It works well


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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2017, 07:48:27 PM »
You have some unorthodox recruiting skills. 


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Very true, but hey, whatever works! (just don't go broke in the process)
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Re: Black Ace Tactical DT Shotgun
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2017, 11:18:40 PM »
Don has a bad deal, we get a new member. Good deal (all guns are good) and we get a new member too!

I remember seeing SGT and OK'd that right away!! (John helped too)

Nice toy there Don.
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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2017, 09:34:29 AM »
Don has a bad deal, we get a new member. Good deal (all guns are good) and we get a new member too!

I remember seeing SGT and OK'd that right away!! (John helped too)

Nice toy there Don.
Thank ya!

Should see it this week.

Local gun store running brand new G23's for $359

My pastor needs one, off to get it today
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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2017, 01:17:02 PM »
Here is a custom project we worked on. Woodland Marpat USMC

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« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2017, 01:25:24 PM »
Love my 23.
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2017, 03:02:48 PM »
Here is a custom project we worked on. Woodland Marpat USMC
Very nice!
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2017, 03:05:39 PM »
My Saiga 12
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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2017, 08:27:02 PM »
If I could get a G23 for $359, I'd buy a bunch of them......My 23 is my EDC, even though I've standardized to 17s and 21s, except for the oddball 26,27,22,20, etc....
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2017, 08:37:10 PM »
I like the way you standardize Tex. I?m always glad to help other people spend money so here you go.
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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2017, 09:04:45 PM »
much like Norm and I discussed this weekend....

I'm partial to used weapons in a face to face transactions by individuals, if you know what I'm driving at.
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2017, 09:38:13 PM »
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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2017, 11:16:58 PM »
much like Norm and I discussed this weekend....

I'm partial to used weapons in a face to face transactions by individuals, if you know what I'm driving at.
Completely understand. I believe it to be a good practice for everyone to have a few of those lying around.


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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2017, 11:31:07 PM »
I try to keep them at 80% ..............

I would like to try a Black Ace weapon at some point. See how it holds up to Ranch/Farm life in my world.

I ever tell you guys I worked for Oskosh briefly as a test driver? They asked me to leave....because I guess your not suppose to test them like I did.

Soon as my gun budget recovers from the three I bought this month.....
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2017, 12:58:00 AM »
I try to keep them at 80% ..............

I would like to try a Black Ace weapon at some point. See how it holds up to Ranch/Farm life in my world.

I ever tell you guys I worked for Oskosh briefly as a test driver? They asked me to leave....because I guess your not suppose to test them like I did.

Soon as my gun budget recovers from the three I bought this month.....

Nope, but I shipped a lot of replacement parts to WI to them..... :tongue:
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2017, 10:13:08 AM »
If I could get a G23 for $359, I'd buy a bunch of them......My 23 is my EDC, even though I've standardized to 17s and 21s, except for the oddball 26,27,22,20, etc....
Tex, I could arrange that if you'd like
(Remember how you called me out...cost me $1100...Remember that ;-0)
Anyway, Shooters Supply, Independence KY had an opportunity to buy a large number of G23's at a ridiculous price. So they were blowing them out the doors. I'm sure they could ship to your FFL if you want. I'll act as your agent if you need any help. I'm going over there in the next couple days to pick up the DT when it comes in...
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2017, 11:47:06 AM »
Was that a one day deal over at shooters, Don?  I might need to pick up my wife?s Christmas present for me.

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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2017, 10:12:57 PM »
Was that a one day deal over at shooters, Don?  I might need to pick up my wife?s Christmas present for me.
Nope, still going on...Was there tonight to pick up the DT, Chuck said he had three remaining, $359 each brand new guns
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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2017, 10:17:17 PM »
OK, so lets get back on this chunk of a shotgun.

We picked it up tonight. I saw it briefly, then it disappeared with the little pre-ranger and has not been seen since.

Note: I often find some of my guns stashed up in his room. Seems like he is pre-claiming them!

Couple of poser TactiKoul shots (Get it..."shots")
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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2017, 10:19:20 PM »
Here is the killa showing how the folding stock works
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2017, 10:20:39 PM »
Its a pretty compact piece for a one-two gage

I think the look says it all!
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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2017, 10:21:49 PM »
This is a lot of gun
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« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2017, 10:23:13 PM »
The angled pump handle fits and works well. Has some slop just like every other pump in my casa. Looks very well put together
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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2017, 10:25:07 PM »
Magazines feel about like the ones I have for my Saiga. Pre-Ranger likes the "Spade" molded into the sides
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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2017, 10:27:16 PM »
Here is the arm brace. It is rubber with something on the inside. Soft to the touch, but will not fold or collapse.  was horsing it around some. It has a velcro cinch strap around the outside
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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2017, 10:28:37 PM »
Mossberg style safety, but bigger than even the aftermarket ones I have run across

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« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2017, 11:58:01 PM »
He looks good with that. Looks like you lost it for sure,,,,,,,,,,,,
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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2017, 09:09:34 AM »
Awesome pictures! Enjoy and be sure to send us over some video and pictures out on the farm.