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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #200 on: March 17, 2015, 11:01:36 AM »
Glade you let me know about the backspacing. I know I want to run about 4.5 as I want it be more or less flush with the side of the truck. An inch out is about as far as I would go. I did a little more research after you posted that and discovered the same.

Parts availability is something I need to consider down the road. We are already looking at 20-25 year old motors. I was more thinking along the lines of if I had to RR the pump, could I do it? That was a reason I looked hard at the VE. I don't plan on really cranking this thing up a lot. Just enough to get it going good. Injectors, Turbo and small pump mods.

From your other post Norm, you said almost all the pump ctd were ppumps. So if finding a doner pump was needed finding one in a field as well as a truck is an option.

Buy the way, got the cart all finished and got the p motor set down on it. Nice and solid!



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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #201 on: March 18, 2015, 01:23:58 PM »
Looks like I found my mounts; http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?60706-73-87-Chevy-6bt-Conversion-parts

These are made buy Rube Barnett out of Az and are the same he used on the Dodge Powerwagon.

Looks like they are just $300, which are a bargan and its a weld up kit. Allows pan removal and stock fan usage.

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #202 on: March 18, 2015, 07:29:50 PM »
Looks like I found my mounts; http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?60706-73-87-Chevy-6bt-Conversion-parts

These are made buy Rube Barnett out of Az and are the same he used on the Dodge Powerwagon.

Looks like they are just $300, which are a bargan and its a weld up kit. Allows pan removal and stock fan usage.


That looks flippin great!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #203 on: March 18, 2015, 08:32:37 PM »
That is a bargain....and you get to keep your hair.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #204 on: March 19, 2015, 01:30:59 AM »
Not so sure about the hair, but I like them. Wish they were based around the square mounts since those key in and hold the weight vs finding the bolt hole and it holds the weight.

He also has a fairly nice front bumper that is priced good to and in kit form.

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #205 on: March 19, 2015, 08:00:41 AM »
Not so sure about the hair, but I like them. Wish they were based around the square mounts since those key in and hold the weight vs finding the bolt hole and it holds the weight.

He also has a fairly nice front bumper that is priced good to and in kit form.


Hey JR, how about a link to this guy, Barnet.
I'd like to look at his modular bumper as a possible candidate for Square D
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #206 on: March 19, 2015, 11:21:41 AM »
He only has a facebook page and I have found him on several sites. Number is listed.

It is Rob Bonney (seen rube, bonnet,,,,,,,,,)

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rob-Bonney-Fabrication/193559750764429
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #207 on: March 19, 2015, 06:19:21 PM »
Got the front 60 apart a little last night. As dirty as it is the brake fluid and internals looked great!

Need to make that diff choice now, but leaning towards the trutrac and will go 35 spline on it too. Basically a rebuild, but I will keep the gears.

It will get new bearings so I should be able to keep the pinion shim pack and simply adjust backlash.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #208 on: March 21, 2015, 09:16:27 PM »
He used that same removable cross-member setup on a 6bt Blazer he built over on 4btswaps.com.  That's exactly what you need for the Suburban.  Awesome fab work.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #209 on: March 24, 2015, 07:47:16 PM »
He used that same removable cross-member setup on a 6bt Blazer he built over on 4btswaps.com.  That's exactly what you need for the Suburban.  Awesome fab work.

Yep, need to order this.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #210 on: March 24, 2015, 07:52:43 PM »
So looking at that roof dent it is a little worse than I thought. It even bent the cross-member (if you can call it that) It is on the roof that goodness so even a non Don job won't show bad if at all.

Nice factory wiring and insulation too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #211 on: March 24, 2015, 07:58:25 PM »
Then I got outside and started to clean off the vent area. I had blown it off already but that didn't do as much.

Got the cowling off and vacuumed but there was still more.

So off came the windshield wiper access/filter.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #212 on: March 24, 2015, 08:18:21 PM »
So looking at that roof dent it is a little worse than I thought. It even bent the cross-member (if you can call it that) It is on the roof that goodness so even a non Don job won't show bad if at all.

Nice factory wiring and insulation too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Use that area to cut the hole for the FLIR camera, problem solved. :)

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #213 on: March 24, 2015, 08:59:23 PM »
Naw, don't listen to Phil

The vehicle is obviously too dirty and too dented to bother with any longer.

I'd get rid of it

I could take it off your hands...
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #214 on: March 24, 2015, 09:46:30 PM »
There are enough subs around for both of you guys, relax.

Think I had a little nesting going on. 1 big wad was in the center with an assortment of shells.

Still need to hit it with some cleaner and a brush but you can see the bottom!!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2015, 09:53:02 PM »
Couple days ago the Tuff Country 6 inch springs showed up. These were made for a 1/2 to 3/4 ton, but not a CTD. They will get an add-a-leaf under the top leaf and be a military wrap. Tate seemed to like the idea since it will keep the lift with the CTD while being cost effective.

Also ordered parts for the D60 front end today from Randys with Tate's help. Got the Eaton Trutrac HD for the front, Yukon extreme locking hubs and 35 spline outer axles with a kingpin rebuild kit.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #216 on: March 25, 2015, 02:11:29 AM »
During this I also found I had a nagging little drip from the transmission gasket. Tried to tighten it up bu no go so I decided to reinstall the original steel/rubber gasket. Basically it was metal with a rubber coating forming a nice O ring on both sides.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #217 on: March 25, 2015, 02:15:09 AM »
So, being the guy I am I say, lets make it better and add a drain to this thing. Sure the tranny is going to come out with the motor swap, but why not!

Now the 4L80 has a nice little spot MADE for a drain but good ol GM does not use it. So with a punch, we now have a drain hole. Only bad part is the drain is right over the exhaust, oh well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #218 on: March 25, 2015, 02:17:17 AM »
Pan off, oil drained and here is the new plug (8mm flange bolt) with a copper washer and a nut to back it.

I flattened it out and used a unibit to open the hole up.
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« Reply #219 on: March 25, 2015, 02:19:25 AM »
Used a 2nd bolt to hold it snug and brazed it on.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #220 on: March 25, 2015, 02:23:07 AM »
Test fit and bolted it back on after a good cleaning and there we go! Just like the factory should have and took about 10 minutes while the pan was off.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #221 on: March 25, 2015, 07:54:31 AM »
Ya know...That 4l80E will fit and work behind that Cummins...Particularly if you go with the VE motor.
That would be interesting I think
Isn't the 4l80 stronger than the 47RH Chrysler trans?
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #222 on: March 25, 2015, 09:53:43 AM »
How would the electronics work?
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #223 on: March 25, 2015, 10:25:17 AM »
Electronics and a $800 adapter AND another adapter for the transfer case. It did run through my mind though, fast,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I thought of going manual with a 5600 also, but adapters and modifying for a clutch is a pain.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #224 on: March 25, 2015, 01:38:34 PM »
really nice metalwork on the plug there JR. as much as I love the GM trans, I have to agree with JR on matching the CHY trans to the Cummins. easier to find replacement parts from one abandoned truck in an EOTW scenario than to try to find the headquarters that used to manufacture the adaptors and wiring.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #225 on: March 26, 2015, 01:53:08 PM »
Nice work.  Are you going to put a roof rack up on top?  Might hide any residual roof imperfections after you straighten it out…
 
I forgot, and don't want to search... Are you using a dodge D60 up front?

Never mind, I see that you are using the Dodge D60.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #226 on: March 27, 2015, 12:53:14 AM »
Well the truck is going to be dark with little shine so most imperfections will not show. Plus it is going to be around 7ft tall, hard to see up there!

A bolt on may be an option, but I want to keep the 7ft height for parking issues.

Yes, Dana 60 up front. In fact just got a couple boxes of goodies from Randys. Will post these up later when the rest shows up.


Now onto louvers like what Don used. I have seen these custom but like the bolt on look on these. I contacted the same company, Rodslouvers.com, and asked if they can add a louver to the angled 2 row and he sent me the picture below and said he will make them right up!!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #227 on: March 27, 2015, 01:03:15 AM »
Ran down to a place called Raycor tools in Modesto yesterday which is like a HF, but REAL hardcore items, much of it American made like the Champion compressor sitting in my truck I have to unload.

Between that, Randy's and taxes I have blown my Wadd for the next month. At least I broke down and saw my old tax guy and he got out for 5K total, not the 15k I was looking at.
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« Reply #228 on: March 27, 2015, 08:02:27 AM »
Nice!
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« Reply #229 on: March 27, 2015, 10:39:37 AM »
You have to love progress. My tax person and I spoke, it wasn't pleasant. The good news is I may be able to swing that missing snap-on 9/16 box end I need to buy.

I plan to trap as much heat under the hood of my build as possible. That way I may have heat in the winter. Dang Cummins....

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #230 on: March 27, 2015, 02:07:43 PM »
Not in the tool section, but I need a bigger/better compressor and I wanted to go local so I got this. No not a pallet,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Hooked it up after lifting the front with ramps and airing down the rears. Much easier to pull out flat vs up.

My little HF did a great job!!

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #231 on: March 27, 2015, 02:10:38 PM »
That lift is a 2 ton and has done about everything form tree trunks so the 2 floor lifts I slid into the other garage after stacking and setting on car dollys.

Lifting the 700lb Compressor was childs play.
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« Reply #232 on: March 27, 2015, 02:13:23 PM »
I then spun her around (why are they always women??) and set her down.

Lifted it from the top and tied it off to my dmax so it could not fall.
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« Reply #233 on: March 27, 2015, 02:29:41 PM »
All set up nice and safe (until I move outside) ready to be refilled with oil (drained for laying down) and a more break in after wiring.

Got it for just over 2K and it should easily out perform my 20 year old 5hp Craftsman with an Alum pump.

This is 5hp too, but the motor is about double the size, magnetic starter, starting unloader and rated at 175psi and 17cfm@175psi and just spins at 720 rpm.
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« Reply #234 on: March 27, 2015, 02:48:53 PM »
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« Reply #235 on: March 27, 2015, 06:55:13 PM »
Very Nice!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #236 on: March 27, 2015, 07:38:31 PM »
I have copied and pasted this to the tool thread too. But it was a pain!! Not the copying but when I triad to split, it would take me back to the 91 1500 build??
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« Reply #237 on: March 27, 2015, 07:39:47 PM »
Louvers are ordered, 2 sets just because. Owner is great he made what I asked for the next day!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #238 on: March 28, 2015, 04:31:47 AM »
Now, onto a few more parts since they all showed up.

So form Randys Ring and Pinion I got 3 boxes. (I think one box was just decals!)

35 spline Yukon outer axles and Yukon Hardcore Locking hubs to match. The Hubs are supposed to be about 1/2 in shallower than other hubs and are built like a tank. Main housing looks all machined from Stainless and the knob looks to be a nice steel casting with just the back cup area and grip area letting you know it is cast as the rest is machined.

I also got bearings and shims for the new carrier along with HD ujoints for the axles.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #239 on: March 28, 2015, 04:37:27 AM »
Kingpin kits for both sides and the Eaton Trutrac, which feels like a solid mass.   

Then a new yoke for a 1350 universal.                                       
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« Reply #240 on: March 28, 2015, 09:42:56 AM »
New parts are so purdy!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #241 on: March 28, 2015, 11:52:27 AM »
You have me thinking about the locker now. You say you like it, price is good, traction would be great and there is even a rebate right now!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #242 on: March 30, 2015, 03:40:08 PM »
You have me thinking about the locker now. You say you like it, price is good, traction would be great and there is even a rebate right now!
The Grizzly Locker in C-MAX is great. Nice manners on the street and great traction off road. I paid close attention to its performance last Friday while at the farm. I think you'll like it.

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« Reply #243 on: March 30, 2015, 08:06:31 PM »
You have me thinking about the locker now. You say you like it, price is good, traction would be great and there is even a rebate right now!
The Grizzly Locker in C-MAX is great. Nice manners on the street and great traction off road. I paid close attention to its performance last Friday while at the farm. I think you'll like it.

And I just got a coupon from summit and they have a rebate!!
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #244 on: March 31, 2015, 01:46:28 AM »
These came in the mail today. Great service from this company. From my idea to email to reply and to my door in about 4 days!!

I think these look just a little more balanced with the extra louver.
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« Reply #245 on: March 31, 2015, 07:55:08 AM »
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #246 on: April 01, 2015, 03:51:24 AM »
I will countour mine to match the fins. Also debating on rivits or screw like you used. I do like the stainless look though.

Did a little digging tonite on the 14bt and there is good and bad.

Good, 4.10 just like I thought and the gears look fine.

Bad, I have a Gov-bomb carrier and it is a little rustier in there than I would like.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #247 on: April 01, 2015, 08:45:38 AM »
There appears to be no shortage of Gov-bomb differentials in the build thread world of RMTS.

Need a spare?

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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #248 on: April 01, 2015, 11:29:02 AM »
Dont want to get dirty or cant find a free carrier??

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mgr-6258336

Makes it interesting, $20 coupon, free shipping and a $50 rebate on the Grizzly gives me a locker for $600.
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Re: 1991 Suburban 2500 build and 6BT
« Reply #249 on: April 02, 2015, 01:56:58 AM »
Spent about 2 hours today with a scotch pad and a scraper cleaning her up. Was actually very happy with how it turned out.

I used a mallet on the roof dent and much of it popped right out. The dent guy should be able to finish it up easy now.

It needs a good sanding now, sealing and some primer/paint. I do have to address the 3 antenna holes though. I know they make plugs for them and may keep the first one but I thing a little welding is in order here.
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