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Title: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 11, 2015, 01:05:09 PM
Hello Everyone,

I just wanted to post a link up here of the Ramcharger build I have been working on, its a 1990 that I converted to Cummins power and W250 driveline.  I am always making improvements and I will post those here also.

http://ramchargercentral.com/diesel-talk/hello-everyone-my-soon-to-be-ctd-ramcharger/

when you have nothing better to do take a look at the link and learn how not to make some of the mistakes I made!!!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on March 11, 2015, 01:11:27 PM
Cool, love to see this truck documented here!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on March 11, 2015, 03:00:40 PM
I can't believe that I'm starting to like dodges because of you yayhoos!
Phil, it looks great, like there's some pride going into it.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 11, 2015, 04:10:26 PM
I can't believe that I'm starting to like dodges because of you yayhoos!
Phil, it looks great, like there's some pride going into it.

Thanks, I haven’t decided if its pride or undiagnosed mental issues!  It has been a fun project even with all the problems.  And what is there not to like about a Dodge!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on March 11, 2015, 04:37:31 PM

Quote
Thanks, I haven’t decided if its pride or undiagnosed mental issues!  It has been a fun project even with all the problems.  And what is there not to like about a Dodge!

Okay, let's not get carried away!lol
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on March 11, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
LoL ....good to see you over here on this forum also Phil. You have one of my Favorite RC's.

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 12, 2015, 12:36:21 AM
Well I'm glad someone likes the project!!

I've been lurking over here for awhile but I hope I can pass some of my lessons learned to someone else on their projects.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 08:17:44 AM
You will help many

We are surfing the leading edge of a growing trend. With new diesel trucks eclipsing 60K and then breaking down when a $5 sensor has a bad morning leaving people stranded, and others having to deal with tree hugger stupid regulation, the draw to simple mechanical fuel injection is increasing. Couple that with better mileage, utter reliability and the fact that a 6BT will transplant into anything, and you have a winning combo that a lot of people are waking up to.

So this trend is growing and will continue to do so. With the looming uncertainty in our country simple and cheap and reliable also equals bugout and survival. This is also becoming a driving force for many. Now take the fact that older trucks like the RC were and may still be affordable, you are looking at a finished reliable vehicle for under 20K vs 60K that will quit running when a nearby hair dryer shorts out!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 12, 2015, 08:59:06 AM
  I agree its a growing trend, the only disappointment I have with the dodge trucks/cars made from 1975-93 is very poor metal and the big three tried to cheapen everything up!  Couple that with some very poor engineering in some cases and you have problems.

   I have 2006 CTD Crew cab 4X4 that has never let me down either and it still gets better fuel mileage than my RC, the best I have ever gotten was 18mpg at 65mph with the RC and the 06 ram will get 21-22mpg at that speed.  But there is a huge price difference between the two, like you said if you buy new now look to spend 60K to get everything you want I know I am under 10K with the RC project and that was with me buying the doner truck.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on March 12, 2015, 09:22:13 AM
I wish that I had purchased a used CTD Ram instead of my 60K D-Max truck. I can get 17 out of my 4.56 geared Chevy, but it has let me down a couple of times. More importantly I am concerned over the utter complexity of the Duramax. Not the engine, but the myriad of electronic components and circuitry. Not withstanding, from the survival perspective, an EMP will render the Chevy useless.
That's why I mentioned in private my thoughts about project Chevy to you yesterday...
I kept the gearing at 3.54 with the 37" tires to keep the gearing low, then built a low stall converter and a fast spool turbo exhaust housing to try to use the low RPM grunt to power SquareD. That should equate to some great fuel mileage for that truck.
With this growing trend, 12 valve pieces/parts are both getting a little scarce and increasing in price. But they will have to increase substantially before converting an older truck no longer seems viable
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 12, 2015, 10:55:06 AM
When I bought my 06 Dodge I was driving halfway across the US pulling a car trailer every couple months and I wanted/needed a dependable truck.  My 06 has given me zero problems and never stranded me and has been the most dependable truck I have ever owned but its 100% bone stock and I take very good care of it, pulling a trailer I am lucky to get 14mpg @ 70-75 mph.  100% agree on the electronics side but that is a present from our lovely EPA.  In the event of the EMP I have the RC so I'm good to go there and I can carry about 50-55 gallons of fuel with the RC so hopefully that will get me out of harms way.

  I don't think my RC will get anywhere close to the fuel mileage to what my 06 Dodge gets , there is just to much frontal area and it is lifted too much and aerodynamics are terrible but I run 70-75 with the RC when I'm on the freeway and I like to be able to run that fast and not make the Cummins scream(I'm running 2000rpm) and get 15mpg.  I am running the 3.54 gears and 31" tire and I don't have a lockup TC so I know that will hurt me on MPG.  The Cummins in my RC came with a 14cm wastegated turbo, and I have done the "normal" adjustments so I am running 28psi boost and EGT never go over 1150F @ the manifold.  Right now I can pull into NAPA and get almost any part I need to get back on the road but the axles, transfer cases, transmissions are starting to get pricey even for a core.

  What I am seeing happen now is even a worn out 300K Cummins truck is going in the 7.5K to 12K price range and then you almost have to rebuild everything BUT the Cummins.  The price of the project starts to go up very fast and that is why next truck will be a late model running gear  with a RC body and 12v Cummins P-pumped.
 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on March 12, 2015, 03:24:30 PM
Interesting conversation....

Stock cam/head 6bt's don't like to turn more than 1800rpm. This is true all the way up until the 24V years.

I understand the argument that aerodynamics and such should affect MPG numbers....but in owning dozens of these trucks over the years, I have seen little actual evidence of that. My Farm beater on 38" rubber with a huge lift gate that sits cab roof high on the tail, routinely averages slightly over 20 mpg on a tankful. The only time it drops below the 20mpg range is when I drive fast enough to push into the 2000rpm range...then it gets 18mpg. Most automatic trucks get 14-18mpg and the 5speeds 17-22mpg when run at the magic 1800rpm.

Another interesting fact: we use 6bt's for our irrigation pumps. These engines run under a continuous load for days on end sometimes. Regardless of the well pump head or GPH flow they all get about the exact same fuel economy. These engines (we have 21) all run at 2400rpm. So regardless of the well pump size behind them, the economy remains largely unchanged. These are all P pump engines BTW.  I have one VE pump well plant with a Hamilton cam, some head work and a larger turbo and pump mods. It makes more power than the stock P pump well plants, and does better on fuel as well. It also turns 2400rpm. Stay tuned, this year I am running a stone stock VE pump on a well head to see how it does on fuel for a direct comparison.

The above all said, my 91.5 518/3.54 truck on 33" rubber runs right at 18-19mpg at 70mph Push it to 75mph it will drop to the 15-16 range. Same truck with 35" rubber at 75mph right back to 18-19mpg.

So Phil yours is about "normal" for your combination going by my experiences. The above is all GPS measured speed/distance.

I will be unpopular for making this statement: Up to 350-400hp the VE can do everything better than a P pump at the same HP levels. (although they require different combinations) I believes enough in this based on my experience, to prefer to drive VE powered trucks. I have no shortage of available P Pumps LoL

Now.... if you alter the fuel used....the VE really shows it's stuff. 

Food for thought: My wife's RC with enough power to be dangerous to drive, can make 20 mpg at 2400rpm. That ported/extrude honed head, Hamilton cam, Ported ATS exhaust/64mm Super B/5x17's and other goodies didn't cause any loss of economy when driven "normally" at a higher RPM. In fact it will spin 4400 rpmm before defueling. But that's a different topic entirely.










Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 12, 2015, 04:25:19 PM
 One of the big reasons I did the conversion was the 360 gas engine was hard pressed to get 10mpg driving 65-70 mpg I could get 14mpg down hill with a tailwind and going 50mph!! also the smog equipment was not repairable(couldn’t get parts) so getting it to smog was a big issue.  And the engine was very tired.

   You are correct that the stick shift trucks get way better mileage than the autos, and the two big things that are hurting me are the 31” tires and the non-lockup TC.   I put new injectors in when I first got the engine but I am not sure of the health of the VE pump that is on the engine right now, I know the previous operator of the truck ran biodiesel  and I did not like the look of the inside of the pump when I had it apart for the 366 spring upgrade.  I would have to be pretty desperate to run biodiesel in any of my trucks. 

 I plan on running 33” tires in the very near future so that should help and then if my current transmission dies I will upgrade to the 47RH with the lockup and that should help even more, my goal is 20mpg.  I don’t plan on making 3-400HP with this setup my goal is dependability. 

 Also the VE pump support is starting to get thin because the quality of the parts that are now being used to rebuild them most are coming from India, China, and so on….. even the parts I am buying direct from Cummins are still coming from China and India.  I don’t have a problem with the VE pump its just the future of parts for them is suspect and I would like to switch to something that is still somewhat supported, but even in a few years I think we will see the same problem with the P-pump units.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Jungle on March 15, 2015, 07:20:29 AM
Hi Phil
Jim
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 15, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
Hey Jim great to see you over here!!!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on March 15, 2015, 05:12:39 PM
You are making me rethink using the VE over the Ppump, often.

Plus if need be the I think you can repair a VE yourself without all those special tools.

Norm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on March 15, 2015, 06:31:36 PM
You are making me rethink using the VE over the Ppump, often.

Plus if need be the I think you can repair a VE yourself without all those special tools.

Norm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?
I'm Certainly no Norm
However IMHO which doesn't count for 1 didly squat, I think given the low miles of that VE, the utter reliability of those motors and the power potential. why would you want to deviate from it?
I am obviously going down the P-Pump road but for a specific reason, that being the power requirement I felt I needed was on the outside edge of the VE and smack dab in the comfort zone of the in-line pump engine.
Nice to have the choice too!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 15, 2015, 11:06:55 PM
You are making me rethink using the VE over the Ppump, often.

Plus if need be the I think you can repair a VE yourself without all those special tools.

Norm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?
I'm Certainly no Norm
However IMHO which doesn't count for 1 didly squat, I think given the low miles of that VE, the utter reliability of those motors and the power potential. why would you want to deviate from it?
I am obviously going down the P-Pump road but for a specific reason, that being the power requirement I felt I needed was on the outside edge of the VE and smack dab in the comfort zone of the in-line pump engine.
Nice to have the choice too!

If you have a good VE pump that has not been molested or abused or had biodiesel run thru it the VE pump is a very good pump and will give you many miles of problem free performance.  If you can get good parts they can be rebuilt on the bench but you will have no way of knowing if it is working correctly other than installing it and seeing how the engine runs, you just have more options if you go the P-Pump route.  If you got a goos VE pump than run it until it quits!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 15, 2015, 11:35:33 PM
Ok making progress, engine and driveline is back in. just cleaning up the wiring and connecting all the plumbing.  If all goes well I should have it back on the road next weekend.  A few pictures of the progress, one problem I will address is the front DS is touching the cross member when the axle is fully extended the last picture shows the line around the DS, not a huge problem I just nee to drop the cross member and "cup" that area.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 11:25:36 AM
That twin stick setup looks stout!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 16, 2015, 02:56:43 PM
It should not give me any problems! 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on March 16, 2015, 03:52:59 PM
OK, that is to clean. Please post more when you get it dirty.

Great job!!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 23, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Quick update, I have everything back together and have found a couple problems with the upgrades I just installed,

Problem one, I bought a Borgsen steering box back in October and just installed it while I put everything back together.  I drained the pump and hooked everything back up and filled with fresh fluid. I started the truck and cycled everything back in forth, shut down and topped off the fluid.  I then went and took the RC around the block and that’s when the fun started, all the fluid started foaming out of the reservoir.   The only thing I changed was the steering box and yes I have it plumbed correctly so I don’t know what is causing the problem.  I called Borgsen this morning and they told me to send the box back and they will test it, there is a three year warranty but I have to pay shipping.  Also I found out that Borgeson dose not build/rebuild steering boxes anymore I wonder why??? For now I will just throw my old box back on, it worked but had some slop after 200K miles.

  Second discovery,  When I rebuilt the NP205 I converted it to twin stick and I used a set of Off Road design NEW shift rails.  Well it seems that OFD did not cut the reliefs correctly and now my 4WD light is on even when the TC is in 2wd.  So I call OFD and they said that’s just the way it is and I don’t have a 4WD light now.  Its not a big deal and the TC performs as required this is just a FYI for anybody that dose the same upgrade.

I will upload pictures later.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on March 23, 2015, 03:59:11 PM
That's a real bummer about the steering box. Good to hear the shift rails work well minus the shift light issue.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 23, 2015, 04:57:44 PM
  Your not kidding, that box was $350 and the whole reason I got it was because I thought I could trust Borgeson to sell something that would work.  At least there wasn't a core charge so I have my old box to put back on.  I have not been able to find a new box yet everything is "overhauled" I might just buy a PSC box that way if I ever run a Hydo assist I will already have the box in place.

  I will let everyone know what Borgeson says once they get the box back.

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on March 23, 2015, 05:16:11 PM
I think "new" is about dried up for many parts on these old Dodges. That said, check out West Texas Off-road...he does a fine rebuild on a OEM box. PSC as you mentioned also has a fine product. Over the years I have used both, never a complaint.

One thing to consider..... are you positive your pump didn't capsize?  I changed the steering rack on my Moms car not long ago. It steered fine just leaked from the rack prior to changing it. After two racks it became clear the pump had failed at some point during the bleeding process I guess. It also foamed profusely.

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 23, 2015, 05:31:25 PM
What I found out is anything is possible.  I will put the old box back on and see what happens, if I get the same problem then the pump might of died. I am trying to do this methodically and not throw pats at it.  it seems it always a crap shoot with rebuilt parts anymore.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on March 23, 2015, 08:52:50 PM
Bud, it sounds like it aerated, and time will cure that, or the pressure valve in the pump hung up. If it's not air, just spin the valve out of the pump (the pressure hose screws into it). If the nut feels like it has spring pressure on it, then it's not stuck. If it comes out without tension, it's stuck.
I'd hate to see you put the old one in and have the same deal!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on March 23, 2015, 09:48:50 PM
Check out PSC
They rebuilt my stock box, modifying it with all mo-better parts. They even sent it back with a baggie with all the old worn out stuff inside.
It's a sweet part and buried back somewhere in the build thread
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 29, 2015, 10:00:46 PM
Well I have the truck back together running a driving.  It took about 30 min but the problem with the power steering was just air in the system, I just had to keep cycling back and fourth very slowly lots of air but I wonder if the pump is starting to give up the ghost its something I will keep an eye on.  Also I had to dremmel out the clocking splines on my pitman arm to make everything line up real nice.  Anyway all is good with the steering. 

  A shot  while I had it out today. The plan will be after I get some miles on the truck I will drop the cross member and modify it to give me enough clearance for the drive shaft. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on March 30, 2015, 09:01:23 AM
That thing looks "All business"
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on March 30, 2015, 03:45:34 PM
Thanks, that was the goal of the project when I started, I wanted something that could go most places and I would still be able to cruise on the freeway at 75mph.

 I am on the freeway 70% of the time but I do take the truck places where I need the capability of what this truck can do.  With any project  you have to try to stay focused on how you will be using the truck.  It will never be a rock crawler just a dependable truck to use and take off road when I need too.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 02, 2015, 06:22:12 PM
Not a lot to report, the RC is running great no issues or problems never misses a beat.  I did install the second light for the front I have a larger light on the roof rack but  it didn't reach out far enough so I added this spot unit.  Works pretty well.  I also added a switch PNL up above so I can control all the lights and front locker, air compressor or whatever else I decide to add.

  I am going to rebuild the inside of both doors, the armrests on both side gave up the ghost so while I have everything apart I will rebuild/replace all the inside mechanisms, latches, strickers, ETC.  I am just waiting on parts. 

 Also picked up a trailer for a project at work very clean unit I think is was never used/deployed it mostly has handling rash but other than that it looks new.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on May 02, 2015, 07:09:47 PM
I like the trailer,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on May 02, 2015, 10:06:44 PM
I just pulled that trailer behind the Duramax today. Even took it off roading a few miles.
They work well
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 22, 2015, 03:10:47 PM
Ok not lot to report on the RC, its been running very well.  I had a small issue with the rear springs contacting the rear spring hanger.  This was the first time I had the RC loaded up, this was with a full tank of fuel, six people and all of our paragliding equipment so it was a full load.  So to help with the issue I installed 1” longer rear shackle and that seems to of resolved the issue.

 Then I took the RC out and took it over the little course close to the house,  over looking the ocean.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on June 22, 2015, 03:45:04 PM
Nice pics, sure wish I could find some of my old pics.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 09:12:07 PM
Are those the short shackles you are using?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 22, 2015, 09:49:42 PM
I was using the short shackles that Jungle sends with his kit which are 3.75" hole to hole, I bought a set that were one inch(4.75") longer and that is what I am running now.  The pictures are of the 3.75" set up.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on June 22, 2015, 10:04:54 PM
I was using the short shackles that Jungle sends with his kit which are 3.75" hole to hole, I bought a set that were one inch(4.75") longer and that is what I am running now.  The pictures are of the 3.75" set up.

OK, that info helps. I was thinking of starting with the 4.5" shackles when I drop in those 64" rear springs and go from there
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build(leaking head gasket)
Post by: wilsonphil on September 05, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
Looks like the head gasket has started to leak, just coolant.  Just a little back ground I really don't know how many miles are on the engine, when I pulled it from the doner truck I torqued the head bolts, the previous owner had dumped a bunch of stop leak in the engine but I assumed it was because he was to lazy to replace the water pump but maybe we had head gasket problems I don't remember seeing any evidence of water leaking around the head when I pulled the engine otherwise I would of pulled the head and replaced the head gasket.

 The question is should I,

1.  Pull the head and just replace the head gasket.
2.  Pull the head get it redone, hope the block deck is OK and leave every else alone.
3.  Pull the Engine and just rebuild the whole engine?

Option 2 and 3 I will most likely find an head or engine and rebuild it as I have time, for now I will keep and eye on it and make sure it dose not get any worse.  The engine is healthy good oil pressure, no oil on the water, runs cool and no real blow by.   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: BobbyB on September 05, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
Personally, I would go for #3. That way you know everything is fresh and ready for years of work. You'd also have a spare motor to tinker with or rebuild and have as a backup, or a spare for a future vehicle build. Or to sell.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on September 05, 2015, 07:10:12 PM
I agree with bobby
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 05, 2015, 07:38:25 PM
Depends on the money situation. Doubt that the deck is warped as stout as those things are. I'd opt for doing the head and gasket. If that fails your no worse off except for labor. If money is no object then 3


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on September 05, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
Looking at that picture and our conversation earlier today (sorry BTW my cell up and croaked) I'd say that's an almost normal leak on a old engine LoL

I'd do some research in your area for the machine shop with the best rep with the local Cummins folks, and just have it redone.

I'd also consider tossing new expansion plugs in the block also. With a properly rebuilt head, a new Cummins head gasket and some new head bolts, you should be good for quite some time.

Also, when you refill with coolant don't use tap water.





Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 06, 2015, 12:30:41 AM
  Hey Norm thanks for taking the time to talk to me today, greatly appreciated and don't worry about the cell phone we have all been there and done that.

 Like I told you the engine is running very well and my only real complaint is the fuel mileage.

I think I am going to maybe buy a core engine or a rebuilt head,  I am going to have to look around and see what's available.   I think I will try to keep the boost to 20psi so I don't make the leak worse and just keep an eye on it until I come up with a plan. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on September 06, 2015, 01:19:18 AM
Norm is the expert but pulling the head will not hurt. But I agree with the others based on funds.

At least pull the head and check the deck, then just get a new head. Heck they are $500 and you will spend that much on a rebuild.

Not sure if re-torquing the head did more harm than good. They are use once and replace bolts from what I understand. They may have over-yielded now.

My supposed 300k motor still shows crosshatch and is what my plan is.

Now many miles on it??
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on September 06, 2015, 10:39:19 AM
It's generally considered good stewardship of a Cummins to retorque the head bolts every 100K miles or so. The Bolts have a "new" yield strength of about 150ftlbs. Proper sequence is mandatory. You can "feel" them stretch if they are worn out. Most will cinch them down to 125ftlbs or so and you can call it good. Any more on used bolts is too much.

The exhaust manifold side of the head will often be where bolts will be "loose" Coincidentally, this is also where they usually leak. His leak is pretty normal for a engine that's had some rounds on it. I have seen them leak like that for 50k miles and never cause any concern.

I'd still change it anyway, it's a good weekend project. Because I run much higher boost levels in most cases I check head bolts/studs every valve lash.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 07, 2015, 04:08:47 PM
For right now I will keep an eye on the leak and see if it gets any worse. 

I would prefer to just find a complete engine and go thru it and stick that in but find a decent engine that is not totally destroyed at a REASONABLE price is difficult in my neck of the woods. 

I have always planned on upgrading to the 47rh so finding a 94-95 truck or running gear out of those years and go thru everything would  be the best path.
 
I would just pull my current running gear but I use this truck every weekend and really don't want it down for however long it takes me to get all the work done, that and it runs so good with good oil pressure.

 If I pull the head I will have it gone thru or just replace it with a overhauled unit, it looks like Cummins has sent the casting jobs overseas so I am pretty sure anything they offer is from China, India, Brazil.  Ebay(china) route looks like anywhere from 550 to 1200 for a complete head, I will call Cummins in the morning and see what they want for exchange.

   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on September 08, 2015, 07:17:55 AM
Whats a complete running engine worth in your neck of the woods? Around here a high mileage but otherwise running but tired 6bt is worth $1,800-2,200 all day long. That's without pump.

I can have a properly blueprinted Cummins head redone here for about $700 That's all new valves, springs, and machine work.



Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on September 09, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
Whats a complete running engine worth in your neck of the woods? Around here a high mileage but otherwise running but tired 6bt is worth $1,800-2,200 all day long. That's without pump.

I can have a properly blueprinted Cummins head redone here for about $700 That's all new valves, springs, and machine work.


About the same around here but that is with the pump normally. My Ppump was 1500 without injectors or lines but with 2 turbos.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 09, 2015, 06:29:24 PM
Whats a complete running engine worth in your neck of the woods? Around here a high mileage but otherwise running but tired 6bt is worth $1,800-2,200 all day long. That's without pump.

I can have a properly blueprinted Cummins head redone here for about $700 That's all new valves, springs, and machine work.

Its all over the place price wise, the VE and P-pump dodge motors are getting hard to find down here.  The bus/truck/equipment engines are fairly common and in the 2-4K range and are pulled out with the tranny(Allison units) still in place so you cant hear them run and the people that have them will not split the package. I'm tempted to just by a donor truck!

I been checking in machine shops in the area and prices are all over the place, I going to check up in Bakersfield about 1.5hrs north for pricing I might get better service up in farm and oil country!!  I keep you posted.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on September 11, 2015, 12:34:49 AM
A donor may be easier. I think I will have to find lots of linkage and such for my Ppump. I found a box that for the VE I had, sometimes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 11, 2015, 05:02:43 PM
So from the looks thing this is pricing in my neck of the woods,

1.   China casting complete head  $550.  I have not found any bad experiences with anyone using these heads but most of those people are running stock boost.
2.   Machine shop basic Valve Job Mag, pressure check, deck . no new parts, 600-850 depending on the shop
3.   Machine shop 100% reman $1250 new valves, guides, springs, etc,etc
4.   Cummins reman exchange $1235 +$65 core(I would keep my old head for that price ) this is supposedly all new parts.

Most likely I will just go the Cummins route but I am waiting to hear back from one more machine shop up in Farm/Oil country
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build(these things keep following home)
Post by: wilsonphil on September 16, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
Ok, I decided to buy a core engine.  I will get the head redone and install it on my current motor.   Then I will rebuild the bottom end as time permits, once I get the 47RH rebuilt I will swap everything into the truck.

So I picked up a core today that I knew it had a broken cam, the price was right and the only carnage are the push rods, tappets and the cam.  So when everyone dose the KDP they should also remove the bolts that hold the case to the engine and clean and locktight the bolts otherwise its just as bad as not doing the KDP.  This engine did not have the KDP done but the bolt is what killed it.  the gears look perfect and none of the valves are bent, the BT6bengines are a zero clearance engine so this will happen everytime, luckily the push rod bends and saves the engine from any real carnage.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 16, 2015, 10:51:19 PM
some more
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on September 16, 2015, 11:12:46 PM
Could agree more on doing all the bolts. When doing browsing it is amazing how many pics you see of bolts and gears rubbing on that front housing.

VE or P block there?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 17, 2015, 12:19:41 AM
This was a 92 so it's a VE.  I might look for a ppump setup and convert it but the VE is working for right now.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on September 17, 2015, 12:51:22 AM
Norm will say stay with the VE. I had both and sold the VE. Not sure if that was wise but we shall see.

Who is doing the 47rh? I have a 46, waiting to see BDs run to know which way I will go.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on September 17, 2015, 09:03:57 AM
YEEOUCH!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on September 17, 2015, 10:34:06 AM
Looks like a solid core. Should be a fun project to rebuild.

 



Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 20, 2015, 11:24:08 AM
Dug into the core engine a little yesterday, I just wanted to make sure it was just the cam.  internally it looks like it was maintained no sludge and water jackets look the cleanest I have seen in a longtime.  A couple pictures of the cam.

The head gasket looks to be getting worse, I noticed today my boost is down, I was keeping it under 20lbs but I pulled a long grade today and I could only get 24lbs and EGT started to climb so I am assuming its leaking under full load.  Looks like I will be doing this job sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on September 20, 2015, 01:14:21 PM
^^^That's a broken shaft?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 20, 2015, 01:49:54 PM
Yes Sir, they break right behind the front bearing.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 20, 2015, 02:22:20 PM
Whats the cure to keep them from doing that?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on September 20, 2015, 03:59:44 PM
Two things can cause this, one most people have heard of is the KDP.  The other is the bolts that hold the timing case to the block are just as a concern, they should be removed cleaned and the hole they go into with parts cleaner and then reinstalled with locktight and torqued.  This should prevent them of ever coming out, but the only way you can get to all one the case bolts is with the cam removed 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on September 20, 2015, 04:34:23 PM
Two things can cause this, one most people have heard of is the KDP.  The other is the bolts that hold the timing case to the block are just as a concern, they should be removed cleaned and the hole they go into with parts cleaner and then reinstalled with locktight and torqued.  This should prevent them of ever coming out, but the only way you can get to all one the case bolts is with the cam removed 
Makes me wonder if that was done to the case bolts in my new engine????
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on September 20, 2015, 05:25:52 PM
Whats the cure to keep them from doing that?

For those not familiar with internal combustion power makers (TEX)
KDP=killer dowel pin
On a cummins, there's a dowel pin that aligns the timing cover to the block that can become loose. It falls right between the cam gear and the injection pump gear. For some weird reason, there's not enough room for the pin between the gears, and something has to give....usually the cam (I replaced a pump because of this, one time). There's also some internal timing case bolts that can also fall into the gears....most of the time, they won't fit between the gears either. lol
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on September 20, 2015, 06:22:32 PM
interesting.  Never owned a cummins so now I know.  Thanks for breaking it down for me, Ken
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 05, 2015, 06:46:17 PM
Ok a little update, I pulled the pushrods out of the core engine just to show how bad they bend.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 05, 2015, 06:50:35 PM
Then I started the cylinder head removal to replace the head and the head gasket, before I started to add to the problem I was having with the leaking head, I also started to loose boost about 6psi under full load.  As I was removing the turbo I am pretty sure I found the cause of the boost leak, one of the nuts on the flange had backed all the way off and the other nut was loose, as you can see from the picture you can see the leak path.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 05, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
Ok back to the head removal, this is a very straight forward job, you don't really need anything special at least tool wise.  First thing I disconnected the wiring going to the cylinder head.  After that I removed the turbo, then the injection lines, and then the injectors. 

Ok if you are not doing some baseline measurements you can leave the injectors in place but I want to do a quick compression test so I removed the injectors, also Cummins dose not recommend a compression test the prefer method for them is to use the breather with orfice method. 

So I got decent numbers right around 400psi in every cylinder again this was just an FYI for me.

So up next is to remove the cooling lines, intake hose, valve covers, rocker pedestals, and pushrods.  You should always mark from where each tappet the push rod goes back to.  After you have that all out of the way you can remove the cylinder head bolts, completely remove the bolts so they don't get in the way.

Then you are ready to lift the head off the block.

I have some cleaning to do but the block deck looks real good and the cylinder bores look good also.   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 05, 2015, 07:14:25 PM
A couple more pictures.  Also if you are just doing the job and not checking a lot of different things you should be able to get this job(removal) done in 4 hours
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 05, 2015, 07:57:12 PM
Maybe its just me, but the pictures are not showing?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2015, 09:18:42 PM
Maybe its just me, but the pictures are not showing?
For some reason I had to approve them! Never saw that one before. Thinking about it, I didn't check the size, just approved them...I wonder if they were too big?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 05, 2015, 09:40:29 PM
Yea its set up that way when you post, I always resize the pictures.  Also the site only allows you to post five pictures at a time.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 05, 2015, 09:49:48 PM
Yea its set up that way when you post, I always resize the pictures.  Also the site only allows you to post five pictures at a time.
I set it up to limit (Me) to 5 pics per post. I am the biggest picture space consumer you ever met! I only get away with it because I own the thing! Otherwise one of the mods would be kicking me to the curb, I suspect!

Approving pics?? Dunno, never had to do that...never showed up on my posts...So, anyone (Everyone??) else having to deal with this?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 05, 2015, 09:51:42 PM
I see them now....

I see dead head gaskets....they don't even know they're dead! (the Sixth Sense)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on October 05, 2015, 09:59:37 PM
Some of those last ones were like 270kbs.....I would say larger than average but I'm no expert.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 05, 2015, 11:48:58 PM
They seem about the same size I post, 250k or so. Is there a setting where you need to have so many posts to post??

That motor looks great in there.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 06, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
I see them now....

I see dead head gaskets....they don't even know they're dead! (the Sixth Sense)
Get some quoffee...get ahold of yourself...
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 06, 2015, 09:31:06 AM
They seem about the same size I post, 250k or so. Is there a setting where you need to have so many posts to post??

That motor looks great in there.
Yea, there's settings upon settings.
What you see is, well, what is on the screen in front of you.
What I see is akin to "The Matrix"
Clifton set up where we should be and being a knowledgeable guy, I let him set everything. I think he made good choices. He set the pics at 4 max and some size limit. I increased both the number to 5 and the size (Because of you and your big pics). I am always going in and looking over the Matrix, err, I mean settings as Kyle does. Makes one a bit stir crazy, but with respect to me, no one really notices.
We need to change up something?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: cudakidd53 on October 06, 2015, 03:20:20 PM
........er, excuse me, but the techno-genius is London bound I believe.....trapped in a flying tube with some suits, a few tourists, a couple of terrorist wanna-bees and the Botswana National Cricket team.....this Dawg won't hunt for awhile.

Back to the point, I cannot see many of the photos posted, others are just fine.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Sammconn on October 06, 2015, 04:16:41 PM
I'm seeing all of them.
Save for when the matrix crashed there for the day, some of those may be missing.
Otherwise I've had no picture issues.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 06, 2015, 04:45:16 PM
I see them now....

I see dead head gaskets....they don't even know they're dead! (the Sixth Sense)
Get some quoffee...get ahold of yourself...

hmmm. Coffee. 

Or more colloquially known, quoffee, is a liquid beverage made by steeping the ground up Quoffee bean in hot water, also known as "brewing".  This is the primary delivery system for the main nutritional element for Real Men, caffeine. Real Men, consume copious amounts, always black.  Black referring to the unadulterated brew, meaning no testosterone sapping cream or sugar.  Be on the lookout for a counterfeit version, known as de-caf, in which a the beans undergo a process of removal of the main ingredient, caffeine.  Known in many circles as "why bother?" de-caf coffee is akin to hiring a neutered bull for stud services on a ranch.

A late 20th century development is an offshoot of the coffee movement in which hoity toity girly men, and women (sorry I repeat myself), create various abominations of coffee based drinks, known as lattes, cappuccino, iced coffee, etc.  This has led to the revocation of Man Cards for millions of Americans, and the wussification of our nation.  The penultimate evolution of this process is the brewing of Kopi Luwak, or jungle cat excrement.  The most expensive quoffee in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

This is not to be confused with the super-manly consumption of espresso, a highly concentrated form of self caffination, with density of caffeine delivery estimated at 5x the normal brewed quoffee.  Still un reconciled is the manliness of the small demitasse cups in which espresso is brewed.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 06, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
MMMMMMMMMM, coffee good, foo foo coffee bad

Little cream and sugar I can understand. But if I want a lemon pecan latte with sprinkles and foam, I'll just get a shake or something,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

(helmet on flack suit on)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 06, 2015, 06:39:55 PM
JR, have you had your testosterone levels tested?  No good can come of that....jus sayin...


BTW, what was this thread about?  How is it getting DOTTED up without Kenneth?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flatlander on October 06, 2015, 06:48:46 PM
I see them now....

I see dead head gaskets....they don't even know they're dead! (the Sixth Sense)
Get some quoffee...get ahold of yourself...

hmmm. Coffee. 

Or more colloquially known, quoffee, is a liquid beverage made by steeping the ground up Quoffee bean in hot water, also known as "brewing".  This is the primary delivery system for the main nutritional element for Real Men, caffeine. Real Men, consume copious amounts, always black.  Black referring to the unadulterated brew, meaning no testosterone sapping cream or sugar.  Be on the lookout for a counterfeit version, known as de-caf, in which a the beans undergo a process of removal of the main ingredient, caffeine.  Known in many circles as "why bother?" de-caf coffee is akin to hiring a neutered bull for stud services on a ranch.

A late 20th century development is an offshoot of the coffee movement in which hoity toity girly men, and women (sorry I repeat myself), create various abominations of coffee based drinks, known as lattes, cappuccino, iced coffee, etc.  This has led to the revocation of Man Cards for millions of Americans, and the wussification of our nation.  The penultimate evolution of this process is the brewing of Kopi Luwak, or jungle cat excrement.  The most expensive quoffee in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

This is not to be confused with the super-manly consumption of espresso, a highly concentrated form of self caffination, with density of caffeine delivery estimated at 5x the normal brewed quoffee.  Still un reconciled is the manliness of the small demitasse cups in which espresso is brewed.


Now this how to DOT it up. ^^^^^^ !
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Sammconn on October 06, 2015, 07:30:17 PM
Mmmmmmm.  Quoffee!!!
My favourite beverage.
Now I do like to cut mine with baileys.

I think this is acceptable...correct me if I'm wrong.

Now espresso, now there's a whole new level of awesome.
I prefer mine in a normal quoffee cup, filled.
And that is a super load of carfeine.

And heck, where is Ken?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 06, 2015, 07:40:24 PM
Yes, in reviewing the back of the man card, I do believe there is an exception for Bailey's if the temperature outside is below 50 degrees Fahrenheit.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 06, 2015, 08:00:01 PM
Now a little adult beverage added, I can go for that!!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 06, 2015, 08:54:25 PM
Mmmmmmm.  Quoffee!!!
My favourite beverage.
Now I do like to cut mine with baileys.

I think this is acceptable...correct me if I'm wrong.

Now espresso, now there's a whole new level of awesome.
I prefer mine in a normal quoffee cup, filled.
And that is a super load of carfeine.

And heck, where is Ken?

Did he say Bailey's?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 06, 2015, 08:58:26 PM
Yes, in reviewing the back of the man card, I do believe there is an exception for Bailey's if the temperature outside is below 50 degrees Fahrenheit.

Or above 50 as well...I think...
Not sure, but with regards to helicapeter flyin' in hot places, one can simulate the cold, and thereby allow the use of baileys by cranking all the AC's to max for awhile.
It worked in Kandahar...Baghdad...Kirkuk...Kabul...Down there at Salerno, over in Heart, yes definitely worked in Heart. Heck it even worked that way up near Uzbekistan...and Dubai...and a few other places...
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on October 06, 2015, 09:35:36 PM
You guys sure messed up this thread. :shakeshead




Bailey's+hunting= :)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 06, 2015, 09:45:18 PM
Like Tom Bodett, we were just keeping the lights on for ya!

I hope we lived up to your reputation.....
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 06, 2015, 11:33:48 PM
Hey, when the kids get coco, I break out the schnapps.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 06, 2015, 11:37:33 PM
You guys sure messed up this thread. :shakeshead

Bailey's+hunting= :)

Depends on your point of view,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 13, 2015, 01:11:47 PM
OK BACK ON TARGET

  I have the engine back together, most of the time was spent cleaning/prepping everything.  The reman head I got from Cummins was a Brazil Casting but I have never heard of them giving problems so I am going to run it.  The Head Gasket is made in China, but I looked at the boxes for the Head bolts and they are USA and England.

 I prepped up the Block, Cummins recommends 400grit sand paper with a sanding block, before I did that I went over everything with a razor blade.  I also  ran a tap down all the holes for the head bolts, if you do this remember to plug up the oil holes and push rod holes. Otherwise all the crud from the retapping process will end up in there.  Be very careful lowering the head back down on the block not to damage the head gasket.  Once the head is back in place re-instll the pushrods making sure the rod in seated in the tappet and they should go back in the hole they came from.  Then you install the rocker arms and then all of the head bolts.   I dipped the threads of the Head bolts in fresh engine oil and sunged them up.  I followed the book and took the bolts to 90ftlbs and then from there I went in 5lb increments to 125ftlbs for all the bolts.

After that its pretty much the reverse of removal for everthing else.  Bleed the fuel system and started it up.  I let everything get up to temp and took the truck around the block once and then checked for leaks and noises.  So far everything looks good but I haven’t have it out on the freeway yet.

One thing I have noticed is I seem to be getting a lot more blowby now but I didn’t look at it before the tear down so I am not sure if it is a problem yet, I am thinking I have a vacuum leak somewhere I want to go over everything and check the obvious before I come to any conclusions and put a couple hundred miles on it and see if the problem is still there. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 13, 2015, 01:15:37 PM
Right before install, more to come all I have time for.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 13, 2015, 09:51:47 PM
Looks great!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 13, 2015, 11:43:45 PM
what did the head run if you don't mind?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 14, 2015, 11:03:58 AM
  No problem, I got the head direct from Cummins $1235 + 65core  1 year warranty.

 Most machine shops in my area wanted anywhere from 550-750 just for the labor,  figure about 300-400 in parts(valves, guides, seats, springs, keepers, retainers, seals)  if you buy real Cummins parts to have everything replaced and 6month warranty.

  A couple shops quoted me $1250 for complete reman, and one well known "high performance" diesel shop quoted me $1350 + 800core for the same head Cummins was charging me $1235.

And a LOT of shops are really pushing the China heads price on those heads that are new are anywhere from 500-750.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 14, 2015, 11:21:58 AM
THX, I saw those china heads and was wondering.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 14, 2015, 11:37:18 AM
Yes I asked a lot of questions about the China heads, I didn't hear anything bad about them.  That being said everyone I talked to said they were only running stock boost levels, and then the longevity issue comes into play  I don't want to have to do this every couple years.  Cummins dose have a Casting plant in China and they make heads for the engines made in China supposedly Cummins dose not bring those Castings to the US, the US gets the crappy castings from Brazil.  I hope mine holds up!!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 14, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
I'm learning here...
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 14, 2015, 07:19:03 PM
I hope its good things your learning!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 14, 2015, 09:08:21 PM
I hope its good things your learning!
All learning is good depending on what you do with what you learned!

Didn't know the chinaman head deal. Actually thought all that was Mexican!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 22, 2015, 05:32:51 PM
No the rods for some of the Cummins BT6 are made in Mexico, and the gears are mostly from Mexico.  The rumor is that after Richard Nixon lander in China the second plane that landed had the Cummins Executive team on board.  I have never see a China Cummins casting for the larger items, but I have seen parts from everywhere else.
 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 23, 2015, 06:50:04 PM
I missed this thread and have read it all now.   Upto speed.   Looks like a great project and fun now and when finished!


Keeping the early morning rolling, the afternoon hours snoring, the late night hours feeling the powers.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 26, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
Everything is back together and the truck is running good I took it on a 200mi shake down run and all looks good so far.   The engine runs about 10degrees cooler but I think that was because I retarded the timing from where I had it, also because of the timing is retarded I am still down on boost under full throttle my EGT creeps up to 1300 so I might have to bump the timing back up. 

The only issue I had is the OD quit working so once I got home I checked the TPS, sensor in the head, and the sensor in the transmission line, as a general rule the problem was were you were working and sure enough the sensor in the head seems to of died.  Its not an issue since it’s a switch so I just jumpered the plug and all is well OD works good again.

I post some pictures in a few.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 26, 2015, 09:53:15 PM
Nothing as satisfying as a project completed with the desired outcome!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 27, 2015, 03:29:16 PM
Sounds good, pics are a must!!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 30, 2015, 11:53:58 AM
 Pictures are coming.

 I was looking thru my notebook this past weekend and I realized I have had the RC mobile for almost three years now.  I have went thru every major system and rebuilt or improved/enhanced to make them more dependable and have learned a lot thru the process. 

  I have put over 45K miles over that time and looking forward to the next 400K!!! and the only real complaint I have is the fuel mileage is not what I thought it would be, I think a taller tire will help that and since I am almost due for new rubber we will find out if that helps. 

I'm looking forward to rebuilding the bottom end of Cummins and 47RH this winter.   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 09, 2015, 03:02:15 PM
Ok not a lot to report on the side wrench side of the RC, its all back together and I have over 1000 miles on it since I have swapped the head.  I am still down on boost and I am not 100% sure it is because I backed off the timing or something else.  I need to do a pressure check on the intercooling plumbing and make sure I don’t have a problem there.   I am almost ready for new tires and I am pretty sure I am going with a 285/70/17 maybe a 295, most likely going to go with Goodyear MT/R.  Planning for an overland trip at the first of the year.

  I am also gathering up parts to rebuild the bottom end of the Cummins and the 47RH, I am thinking I will tear down the core over thanksgiving and get the block over to the machine shop to get checked out.

It was a great weekend for flying, this was one of the reasons I built the RC was to use it to get to some of the places we fly most are forest service roads and sometime they are not maintained but I’m glad I can throw six people in the RC with all of our equipment and go 99% of the places we need to get to!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 16, 2015, 02:46:32 PM
Ok so I cleaned up my work space and had a few min to take a look at the Cylinder Head I removed, I don’t know the exact mileage of this engine but its definitely over 300K.  I removed one intake and exhaust valve to look at the seats.  The exhaust valve was pretty bad and so was the seat the intake wasn’t horrible but showed wear.  The build up on the intake valve I am assuming is when someone was running BioDeisel thru it.

Both Valves were USA made, Federal Mogal were the supplier. 

 I would never run BioDiesel unless I had to!  When I had the IP apart for the 366 spring the inside of the pump looked pretty bad lots of corrosion and the injectors looked terrible inside lots of rust.

 I do not recommend BioDiesel.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 23, 2015, 09:30:06 PM
Ok one of my local Pick_A_part's is closing its doors so it was half off day.  Out of all the years I have gone there I have NEVER seen a CTD truck in the yard with an engine until today it was an 89 D350 standard cab long wheel base.  I never really paid much attention to the "D" series
trucks but when I was looking over this very well used truck I saw something interesting the cross member had a bracket bolted just forward of the crossmember for the motor mount and the passenger side had something similar but it was riveted.  I always thought the Cummins bolted down on the crossmember.

  What was of some note was the frame between the control arm on the drivers side was cracked halfway thru and on the passenger side it was broken all the way thru.  The steering box area was fine I didn't see any cracks.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on November 23, 2015, 10:13:48 PM
That is some serious cracking.

Now, whats this about no bio diesel? The old diesel is about the dirtiest stuff you can find.

What is clean or dirty of either?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 23, 2015, 10:38:05 PM
Im not saying it cant be run, I just don't think the lubricity is there with the USED organic or USED petrol(used motor oil/hydraulic fluid) based product.  Filtering and processing is key to using the used stuff, a lot of processing, filtering, additives to make it work, unless you can get lots of raw product for free and have the space and time to process the USED oil.  In a low power motor it might be fine, or stationary equipment no problem.  But as much as the parts for our trucks fuel systems are I don't see the advantage,     Diesel #2 looks real good IMO.

In an emergency I wouldn't have a problem running Bio-Diesel but I don't know what it would gain you long term.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on November 23, 2015, 11:38:27 PM
I have run 20% in my 06 and it is quieter and gets better mileage.

The lubricity is gone now with ULSD. I run additives with the new stuff.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 23, 2015, 11:57:43 PM
Yes I would be more comfortable running 20%.  Don't know what the long term affects would be in the modern motor fuel systems.  Yep I run additives with all my motors now, new, and old.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on November 25, 2015, 06:57:55 PM
That cracking looks rather typical honestly.

I don't run Bio in my stuff, it's hell on everything from my experience. I run #1 or #2 or waste oil. Heating oil, Jet fuel, I just polished off 125 gallons of hyd fluid.

If I run #1 or #2 I run a quart of outboard mix oil each tank. I don't do additives, I see no need for them. If it's real cold I use Kerosene to thin the fuel, it's still the best anti gel made. 

Phil your head looks like it needs a little guide work. Pretty normal in a old Cummins. Patch I noticed had some antifreeze running down the pass side block coming from between the block and the head. The last 10k miles or so it's used about a gallon of coolant a month. I torqued the head bolts "tighter" and it has stopped for now. That engine just clicked over 429K so it's about due for a head job.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on November 25, 2015, 08:51:35 PM
Thats my additive to Norm. Cheap and affective.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on November 25, 2015, 09:56:08 PM
That cracking looks rather typical honestly.

I don't run Bio in my stuff, it's hell on everything from my experience. I run #1 or #2 or waste oil. Heating oil, Jet fuel, I just polished off 125 gallons of hyd fluid.

If I run #1 or #2 I run a quart of outboard mix oil each tank. I don't do additives, I see no need for them. If it's real cold I use Kerosene to thin the fuel, it's still the best anti gel made. 

Phil your head looks like it needs a little guide work. Pretty normal in a old Cummins. Patch I noticed had some antifreeze running down the pass side block coming from between the block and the head. The last 10k miles or so it's used about a gallon of coolant a month. I torqued the head bolts "tighter" and it has stopped for now. That engine just clicked over 429K so it's about due for a head job.
Hey Norm,

Based on your experience which is pretty extensive from what I can see, how about posting a small recipe or chart or writeup or something of your fuel mixes.

I have used XPD since new, but my fuel gels every single winter. Never tried the kerosene formula. I have to wonder if the modified fuels will work the same in the modern peiso-electric super high pressure injectors the same as a dirt floor VE or P-Pump Cummins.

I see where you add a quart of 2 cycle outboard per fill up. 30 gal fill up?? More?
And how much kerosene per tank or gal perhaps?

I think this is some good useful information here.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 25, 2015, 10:51:28 PM
Hey Norm good to see you back, that head is the core and I don't know how many miles were on it.  I was just showing everybody what it looked like.  I put a remanned head from Cummins on the RC.

I do have a question for you Norm, are the Non-intercooled cams the same as the Intercooled cams in the first Gens?

Ok so I picked up one more Cummins short block core because the price was right.  I don't know if the block can be saved all the pistons were scuffed this motor was turned up pretty hard the head was off and water was setting the #6 bore but I got the crank to rotate without to much work also the gear for the vacuum pump had come off and chewed up the front cover a little.  The inside of the motor looks good.  The rod bearings were pretty hammered but the mains looked really good, so this block was an 12/88 manufacture so it was it was an early motor and just a few observations, the block as cast in Brazil as were the rods, the pistons, oil pump, rod and main bearings wee made in England.  The Crank was US made.  The timing gears were Mexican, German and USA.  the rod bolts and the main bolts were German.   

Once things slow down at work I will start on the overhaul of the Cummins and the 47RH, I think I have everything now to start the project.   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on November 26, 2015, 07:31:43 AM

That cracking looks rather typical honestly.

I don't run Bio in my stuff, it's hell on everything from my experience. I run #1 or #2 or waste oil. Heating oil, Jet fuel, I just polished off 125 gallons of hyd fluid.

If I run #1 or #2 I run a quart of outboard mix oil each tank. I don't do additives, I see no need for them. If it's real cold I use Kerosene to thin the fuel, it's still the best anti gel made. 

Phil your head looks like it needs a little guide work. Pretty normal in a old Cummins. Patch I noticed had some antifreeze running down the pass side block coming from between the block and the head. The last 10k miles or so it's used about a gallon of coolant a month. I torqued the head bolts "tighter" and it has stopped for now. That engine just clicked over 429K so it's about due for a head job.
Hey Norm,

Based on your experience which is pretty extensive from what I can see, how about posting a small recipe or chart or writeup or something of your fuel mixes.

I have used XPD since new, but my fuel gels every single winter. Never tried the kerosene formula. I have to wonder if the modified fuels will work the same in the modern peiso-electric super high pressure injectors the same as a dirt floor VE or P-Pump Cummins.

I see where you add a quart of 2 cycle outboard per fill up. 30 gal fill up?? More?
And how much kerosene per tank or gal perhaps?

I think this is some good useful information here.

Also interested in this, given my LML has all the modern injection pieces but no emissions. ( that stuff mysterious fell off in the driveway one day about 25,000 miles ago)


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on November 26, 2015, 01:14:37 PM
The cams should be the same between the two.

I buy the IH/Case blocks exclusively for my builds, call me un trusting LoL

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on November 26, 2015, 01:50:03 PM
Norm, aren't the diff between the intercooled and nonIC just the injectors? I think timing is the same.

Actually those bearings look good for a HP-HM motor. Did many and inframe and lots came out like that. I see no scoring.

TO bad the 6BT doesn't use sleeves. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 26, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
There are a few,

1.  Timing is different Non-IC is 1.40, IC is 1.20
2.  IP's are different the Non-IC have large pump head, the pump is longer(physically) if im not mistaken.
3.  The injection lines are different.
4.  The injectors on the Non-IC are 9mm and the IC are 7mm
5.  How the accessory's mount are different form Non-IC to IC
6.  Turbos were different on the later IC trucks.
7.  Throttle cable and kickdown are attached different
8.  Different style vacuum pumps.

That's all I can remember off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 26, 2015, 09:38:07 PM
Ok I finished the tear down of the second core, the rod bushing was starting to show wear but all looked good.  The thrust bearing is a three piece design it was in good shape but it shows signs of wear one of the "thrust" side was loose but was still in place.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on November 27, 2015, 01:52:41 PM
That motor is in pretty good shape, considering it's age and use
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 27, 2015, 05:29:17 PM
Yea it's a shame that someone melted the Pistons, but it would not of been in the pick a part if it was a running engine.  I only got it because all I had to do pull it was remove the two nuts for the motor mounts and then they came over and picked it with the forklift and set it down in the back of my truck.  Motor was really clean inside

I also found about a little more about first gen cummins cams,


The non-inter cooled cam has a slightly more aggressive profile, as the non-inter cooled injection pump has larger delivery valves, hence a bit more fuel then the inter cooled engine. When I say slight, it is slight though. The gear is the same but uses a different letter and position for pump timing. You can safely run either cam and gear in either motor, just have to line up the right letter on gear to crank for the proper pump timing.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on November 27, 2015, 10:22:39 PM
Ok so I had some spare time and I started the install of the OBA, I bought a 100% duty cycle air compressor and capable of 150psi and mounted it on the passenger side fender.  I had an old air cylinder that holds about 4 gal I haven't decided where I will mount it yet, I am thinking about under the floor back by the rear axel.  I had already install a relay and switch for the compressor I just have to plumb the lines and mount the brackets front and back for the quick disconnects.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 12, 2015, 12:33:40 PM
Ok, finished the install of the OBA system.  Mounted the cylinder under the floor and installed two air couplers, one front and one back.  This compressor is capable of 150psi and is 100% duty cycle the compressor filled  the cylinder in about 3min.  They say you can run the compressor one hour hopefully I never will have a use for air for that long when I'm on the trail.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on December 12, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
Phill can you flatten a tire, re air it and use a stop watch for us? I have been debating compressor plans on a truck I am piecing together out of junk Dodge parts. I could use a York for OBA, but it's a lotta messing around on a Cummins.

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 12, 2015, 12:48:46 PM
Yep that's one of the things I plan on doing today!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 12, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
I need a tank too. Hmm HF has a 25% of right now and that big alum tank would fit nice,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on December 12, 2015, 04:02:45 PM
I'm gonna fit a mini York on the dmax when I get time. I like the thought of having a "real" air compressor. I have an arb right now and it's pretty loud, and draws a bunch of power, but gets the job done on the air bags.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 13, 2015, 12:39:27 PM
Phill can you flatten a tire, re air it and use a stop watch for us? I have been debating compressor plans on a truck I am piecing together out of junk Dodge parts. I could use a York for OBA, but it's a lotta messing around on a Cummins.


Norm,

A 265/70/17 tire completely deflated, it takes this pump just under 5min to inflate the tire to 40psi.  Not fast by any means but not horrible either.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 13, 2015, 12:44:48 PM
I'm gonna fit a mini York on the dmax when I get time. I like the thought of having a "real" air compressor. I have an arb right now and it's pretty loud, and draws a bunch of power, but gets the job done on the air bags.

The only reason I don't do a York or Holset type compressor is because I don't want something else that is attached to my engine to give me problems.  I am always far away from home with the RC so it just some thing that can give problems at the worst possible time.  Also I carry two spare tires when I'm going back country.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 13, 2015, 08:35:51 PM
Before I did something I would later regret I decided to leak check the intercooler system on the RC before I pulled the turbo for a rebuild.  I have been down on boost pressure and I have ruled out everything but the Turbo and intercooler plumbing.

I made up a pretty simple test tool, I just got some schedule 40  PVC and fittings disconnected the intake and the turbo and pressurized it to 30psi or at least tried.  I found several leaks, the boots were leaking even though the clamps were tight and the hoses were good, the clamps were all tight they were not tight enough.  After I got them tightened the intercooler has given up the ghost also.

Pretty bad leaks in a couple different spots so now I will try to find a factory intercooler, I really don't want to runn an after market unit if I don't have too.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on December 13, 2015, 08:39:41 PM
That sucks. How much pressure did you test it with?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on December 13, 2015, 08:42:33 PM
I put the dual 440C Viair compressors on my Dually for on board air.  Drives a 5 gallon tank at 175PSI.  Runs air actuated bottle jack when needed, inflates tires, train horn and air bags.

I want an OBA system for the LB7.  I'd be curious to try a york compressor but I don't know specs on volume and pressure compared to an electric..
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 13, 2015, 09:15:29 PM
That sucks. How much pressure did you test it with?

I went up to 30psi, but the intercooler leaks bad at 10psi.  This I hope explains why I am only getting 20psi of boost! 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on December 13, 2015, 09:17:01 PM
You're talking about a pump, that has a piston the size of a Briggs and Stratton, and like an actual air compressor....oil lubricated. They have volume, durability, capable of 300+psi, and since it's belt driven, raising engine rpms raises volume. Downside? Not easy to do, takes up engine compartment space, etc.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on December 13, 2015, 09:19:07 PM
I went up to 30psi, but the intercooler leaks bad at 10psi.  This I hope explains why I am only getting 20psi of boost! 

Well, it would definitely be the place to start! lol
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 13, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
I put the dual 440C Viair compressors on my Dually for on board air.  Drives a 5 gallon tank at 175PSI.  Runs air actuated bottle jack when needed, inflates tires, train horn and air bags.

I want an OBA system for the LB7.  I'd be curious to try a york compressor but I don't know specs on volume and pressure compared to an electric..

I'm running a single Viair 450, I only need it to reinflate tires incase I have to air down.  The Yords are a lot of work to install, engine driven, and very capable system but way over kill for what I need it for.  If you had BIG tires and didn't want to wait all day its the way to go.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 13, 2015, 09:23:12 PM
I went up to 30psi, but the intercooler leaks bad at 10psi.  This I hope explains why I am only getting 20psi of boost! 

Well, it would definitely be the place to start! lol

Pretty much!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on December 14, 2015, 08:01:54 AM
JB weld?  LoL

I am glad you found that issue. Now all you need is a inter-cooler and your back in business.

That tester is pretty slick, much simpler than going to the car wash and spraying things down with fruity smelling soap while your wife floors the Cummins looking for bubbles.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on December 14, 2015, 10:32:46 AM
JB weld?  LoL

I am glad you found that issue. Now all you need is a inter-cooler and your back in business.

That tester is pretty slick, much simpler than going to the car wash and spraying things down with fruity smelling soap while your wife floors the Cummins looking for bubbles.
Hey man, don't laugh...I currently have not one but two JB weld repaired intercoolers. The one on the John Deere that was harpooned by a locust tree, and the one on Square D. Now granted the Square D one hasn't retained any pressure other than atmospheric, but it sure looks strong!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on December 14, 2015, 10:38:57 AM
Hey man, don't laugh...I currently have not one but two JB weld repaired intercoolers. The one on the John Deere that was harpooned by a locust tree, and the one on Square D. Now granted the Square D one hasn't retained any pressure other than atmospheric, but it sure looks strong!

At the rate you're going that JB weld on SQ D should last for several hundred years anyhow....... ???
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on December 14, 2015, 10:44:15 AM
Hey man, don't laugh...I currently have not one but two JB weld repaired intercoolers. The one on the John Deere that was harpooned by a locust tree, and the one on Square D. Now granted the Square D one hasn't retained any pressure other than atmospheric, but it sure looks strong!

At the rate you're going that JB weld on SQ D should last for several hundred years anyhow....... ???
Sadly...Concur...
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2015, 11:21:26 AM
Don't let them get you down Don, Just check the obvious first, time consuming yes but well worth it in the end.

JB weld will work until I'm 873miles from home in the middle of the desert and a flash flood coming right at me! 

I have found a couple used units but there is always the possibility of me buying the same thing I have, Trucks are getting old and good parts are getting harder to find.  Im still looking hopefully I will find a good used unit that dose not look like a shower head when I pressurize it.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on December 14, 2015, 11:36:44 AM
Don't let them get you down Don, Just check the obvious first, time consuming yes but well worth it in the end.

JB weld will work until I'm 873miles from home in the middle of the desert and a flash flood coming right at me! 

I have found a couple used units but there is always the possibility of me buying the same thing I have, Trucks are getting old and good parts are getting harder to find.  Im still looking hopefully I will find a good used unit that dose not look like a shower head when I pressurize it.
Copy that Dr. Phil...

I don't fret the small stuff

First things first

Mirror check this morning revealed I was still alive: G-T-G

Everything else: Optional
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on December 14, 2015, 11:57:18 AM
This is why I am building my next toy non inter-cooled. But if you can't find one let me know.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 14, 2015, 12:26:02 PM

That tester is pretty slick, much simpler than going to the car wash and spraying things down with fruity smelling soap while your wife floors the Cummins looking for bubbles.

Did you really do that Norm?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2015, 12:34:45 PM
This is why I am building my next toy non inter-cooled. But if you can't find one let me know.

That is my next option if I can find a good used one, I have the plumping from a Non-IC setup but that means a different Turbo configuration.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2015, 12:54:28 PM

That tester is pretty slick, much simpler than going to the car wash and spraying things down with fruity smelling soap while your wife floors the Cummins looking for bubbles.

Did you really do that Norm?

Of course he did, Norm uses what ever is readily available at the time!  that was a duel mode car wash now he has a clean truck and found a broken part.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on December 14, 2015, 01:35:02 PM
Hehe..Don called you Dr Phil...hehe
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2015, 03:08:34 PM
I let him slide today he's getting up there in years or it could of him being light headed from trying to suck diesel thru the feed line of SquareD, I'm sure at his age almost everyone he see's has a Dr. in front of their names so its natural!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: swbhobie16 on December 14, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
seems as if it went from a 'ram charger build page' to a 'slam-Don-because-he-hasnt-done-a-simple-test-to-finished-SqD page' hahaha
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on December 14, 2015, 03:46:39 PM
Yes Jr, I sure did/do. Car wash boost leak detecting is a well honed science. For $1.50 you can hose down your inter-cooler with rainbow colored fruit smelling soap...then you have the wife stomp it to the floor a few times, and you have now boost tested your inter-cooler. Around here on gravel roads with as much abuse as inter coolers take from stones, it's almost preventive maintenance. I do advise if below freezing, to wash off the rainbow colored soap, or you get rainbow ice formations.

Phill, that turbo I sent you pictures of would work well non inter-cooled, just saying...LOL All you need is a new down pipe connection, some tube for your crossover, and you can eliminate that pesky inter-cooler.  I try to see it as the extra heat keeps your pistons free of carbon  ;D

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Yes but fate smiled at me today!  A guy right down the street from where I work had an IC that he removed from his 93 in 94 for a Banks upgrade that had been sitting on the shelf since 94!  He told me he tried to sell it 10years ago and didn't get one call he has had it for sale since Aug on TDR!  This unit is in the back seat of my car but I will still pressure test it before I install!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on December 14, 2015, 04:00:56 PM
That was a stroke of good luck...I was thinking today one could build a inter-cooler out of exhaust pipe... route it around and disguise it as a tube push bar and stuff. Pretty smart huh?

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2015, 04:05:24 PM
Proof it does exist!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 14, 2015, 04:15:50 PM
That was a stroke of good luck...I was thinking today one could build a inter-cooler out of exhaust pipe... route it around and disguise it as a tube push bar and stuff. Pretty smart huh?

I don't live on the farm anymore Norm so no push bar intercooler for me? 

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2015, 10:39:53 AM
I let him slide today he's getting up there in years or it could of him being light headed from trying to suck diesel thru the feed line of SquareD, I'm sure at his age almost everyone he see's has a Dr. in front of their names so its natural!
I've been avoidin' any diesel fuel connected thing on Square D so I can keep the ole Christmas spirit!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on December 17, 2015, 12:32:06 PM
Inter cooler push bar? ??? I wouldn't, serious Off roading is kinda similar to what I see happening when things go dark. There's gunna be a lot of bumping into things. I know one thing the front end of my eb got beat more than a red headed step daughter... You're asking for problems, keep it protected.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 17, 2015, 02:02:55 PM
Inter cooler push bar? ??? I wouldn't, serious Off roading is kinda similar to what I see happening when things go dark. There's gunna be a lot of bumping into things. I know one thing the front end of my eb got beat more than a red headed step daughter... You're asking for problems, keep it protected.

I think Norm was kinda of Joking with that comment but its Norm so you never know.  If you were to make a pushbar intercooler then you would have a whole bunch of thermal transfer issues if it were to survive at both!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on December 17, 2015, 02:43:24 PM
Hey, I have crazy ideas every day............ ;)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 18, 2015, 10:05:12 PM
So usually Cummins is pretty good about getting parts, I wanted to replace the square sealing ring that comes off the outlet of my turbo and is held in place a v-band clamp the Cumming P/N 3919852 its normally $20 high I agree but if they have it I don't mind paying the money.  Well Cummins dose not have any in stock and also none at the factory and I would have to pay Cummins almost $67 just to find out when they could even make one for me.  Oh well I will have to make something.

If anyone knows anybody that has P/N 3919852 in stock let me know.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: BobbyB on December 18, 2015, 10:40:35 PM
So usually Cummins is pretty good about getting parts, I wanted to replace the square sealing ring that comes off the outlet of my turbo and is held in place a v-band clamp the Cumming P/N 3919852 its normally $20 high I agree but if they have it I don't mind paying the money.  Well Cummins dose not have any in stock and also none at the factory and I would have to pay Cummins almost $67 just to find out when they could even make one for me.  Oh well I will have to make something.

If anyone knows anybody that has P/N 3919852 in stock let me know.

Norm probably has at least 1 on a shelf or in a box or pile in his barn(s).
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 18, 2015, 11:37:38 PM
Have you tried Holset? It is their turbo right?????
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 19, 2015, 04:16:44 PM
Well the new inter cooler checked out good but I'm still down on boost, I don't have any other ideas so am thinking it has to be the turbo, I think it's the waste gate leaking there is no play in the compressor wheel spins free and no oil in side the boots so I am pretty sure that has be be the culprit but I thought the inter cooler would of fixed the problem
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 20, 2015, 10:32:49 PM
ALways check the obvious first!  How many times have we heard that!  well I had convinced myself that the turbo was the issue, specifically the waste gate.  One thing I did not do was run the RC with out the airfilter I had looked it a couple weeks ago and it looked OK I even run a pre filter/cover to try to keep the dust build up to a minimum.  I removed the filter and plumbing and took the truck around the block and my boost is up to 30psi.  So all this time it was the airfilter that was starving the engine for air.  I'm glad I didn't pull the turbo and have it rebuilt I would of been pretty depressed if I put an overhauled unit and had the same problem. 

For a long term fix I don't know what i will do.  I guess I will just have to clean the filter on a more regular schedule and if I ever see boost starting to fall off I will look at the filter first.  I'm courious to see how much restriction the air filter setup is giving. Without any filter the boost is 2psi higher than it has ever been but that could of also been the leaky inter cooler.  I cleaned the filter it just has to dry and I will re-oil and reinstall and see where the boost goes.

Always check the obvious.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 21, 2015, 02:18:11 AM
Always check the obvious.

Cam timing? (another thread)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on December 21, 2015, 10:05:39 AM
Always check the obvious.

Cam timing? (another thread)
I hear ya friend!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on December 21, 2015, 10:41:44 AM
Phil, it takes a real man to admit something like that!

Earlier I had thought about mentioning the filter, but a person could take that as an insult. I spent 3 hrs trying to diagnose a powerstroke that was blowin' smoke on acceleration, even lifting the filter to inspect, replacing sensors that were slightly out of spec, etc. Drove it without the filter and felt like someone punched me in the gut.....but the customer was happy to get a $50 invoice for my lesson. lol
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 21, 2015, 11:11:51 AM
Phil, it takes a real man to admit something like that!

Earlier I had thought about mentioning the filter, but a person could take that as an insult. I spent 3 hrs trying to diagnose a powerstroke that was blowin' smoke on acceleration, even lifting the filter to inspect, replacing sensors that were slightly out of spec, etc. Drove it without the filter and felt like someone punched me in the gut.....but the customer was happy to get a $50 invoice for my lesson. lol

I would never take anything anyone said here as an insult, unless it was insulting!

Lesson re-learned never over look the simple things, I am running a AFE filter and I think I will try to find a "dry" version for this unit, I'm going to do some research.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 21, 2015, 11:53:03 PM
We have all over looked simple things. I took a old 16mm projector apart for repair when I was in HS. It was on "still" and I was red!!!!!!!!!

Right now I am chasing a sometimes run in my new blazer. Have a bunch of parts coming but really no clue yet. Power to coil, turns over fine, runs sometimes then quits.

Leaning towards fuel pressure/pump. Gauge is on the way. Gauge will be good for checking lots of things from the sub to the sub.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on January 03, 2016, 10:33:01 PM
Not a lot to report on the RC but I did get the new flooring in on the back section, passenger and cargo section.  Before I installed the flooring I cover the whole area in sound deadener it took most of the day and the flooring I got didn't fit for crap but I made it work.  Over all I'm semi happy with the outcome we will see if it ant quieter.

Next weekend I am getting new tires, decided to go with the Goodyear Duratrak,  we will see how the hold up long term.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on January 10, 2016, 11:37:41 PM
Well replacing tires and repacking wheels bearings turned into a real project.  I got my new Duratracks mounted and was getting ready to put them back on and I was giving everything a once over.  I noticed that the rear hub oil seal was leaking so that is not too bad to change but before I could do that I found another problem!

 So I am running Gen3 rims and to do that I have to run 1.5" spacers to make them work, I am not a fan of spacers but I have not had a problem since I have installed them.  I always check them every time I change oil and they were always tight, that is until today I went to check torque and one of the studs broke right off.  From the looks of things it was cracked for a while.  I had replaced these studs when I did the conversion because the stock Gen1 dodges used 1/2 studs and the newer trucks use 9/16.  the studs were Dorman and US made maybe I just got a bad one I replaced all of them to be safe.  Long term I thinK I am going to try to find a common 17" steel wheels with the correct backspacing and get rid of the spacers all together.

Second problem I found was the my brand new one year old Yukon lockouts are screwed, very disappointed, it seems the spring retainer disintegrated and made of a mess of the outer bearings on both sides also one of the bushings on the spline coupler was worn down also, one side the retainer was almost completely gone the other side wasn't as bad but still had the same problem.  I am not sure what was going on with them they went together real smooth and always engaged and disengaged nicely.  I wouldn't of found the issue if I wasn't planning on repacking the wheel bearings.  When the retainer on the one side was destroyed it carved a real nice deep groove into the hub showed in the attached picture with red on it, it bothers me because its so deep so I will replace it in the near future.

  I have to get everything back together this week because I have a trip planned.

In the mean time I think I will pick up a set of Warn lockouts at least for this trip, I will see what Yukon says about warranty but I don't want to spend another $400 for something that wont work.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on January 11, 2016, 12:01:16 PM
The hubs are lifetime covered. I didn't see any pics, did I miss something? Call me if you like, 1-800-347-1188 ext 5573. Do you have any invoice info on them still?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on January 11, 2016, 12:54:28 PM
I will give you a call, I bought them a year ago from east coast gear supply.  Looks like the admin,s have not approved the pictures yet, they must be writing Obama love letters.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: BobbyB on January 11, 2016, 01:02:55 PM
I will give you a call, I bought them a year ago from east coast gear supply.  Looks like the admin,s have not approved the pictures yet, they must be writing Obama love letters.

Don't worry, I approved them.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on January 11, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
That is a bit messed up. I'd be bent, those wheel hubs are spendy and undoubtedly the bearings have had metal in them... was the snap ring ruined as well?

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on January 11, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
We are getting it worked out, we know what the problem is.  After my trip I am going to show everyone the problem in detail but will have to wait until after my trip.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on January 11, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Are those steel or billet spacers on the front?

Like to see the damage also since those are going on the burb.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on January 12, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
The spacers Im currently running are 6061 and have shown zero issues, I have two USA made units and two China units and have not seen a problem with either one.  The company I bought them from dose not offer the USA made one anymore but this company dose,   https://www.uswheeladapters.com/ they are pricey but USA made.

Once I'm back from my trip I will do a total tutorial of the disassembly-assembly, very detailed with lots of pictures so everyone can see what happened so you don't repeat my mistakes.  I will tell everyone here that if you are running a Dodge/Chevy D60 pre 1993 and have installed the X-Lock http://www.stage8.com/xlock.html and have manual lockout Yukon or Warn please inspect the units or you will get the same thing that happened to me.  Both products are Excellent but when the two are run together it causes issues and will lead to failure.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on February 07, 2016, 10:43:45 PM
Been really busy at work so not much time to work on the truck.  I will be posting pictures of the trip with the RC, the truck did very well and it only let me down once!  It was in the middle of nowhere and it just dies no power any where inside the RC just dead.  Of course the only tool bag that I forgot to bring was the one with all my electrical stuff, you know meter, test light, wire tape!  And this is when I was so happy I had a Cummins and able to make it work with just running 12v straight from the battery and then jumped the solenoid to start it and away we went, that at least got me back to a parts store where I could work on it.  After looking everything over it ended up being the last fuseable link that I had not eliminated and why for the life of me I did not replace it when I redid the harness is beyond me, I just hard wired in a regular fuse and all was 100% again

Trip report coming soon.

I did manage to run my RC over the scales today, with a full tank of fuel, spare and maybe 1-200lbs of crap the weight is 7140, that is heavier than I thought it would be and also might be the reason it gets only 15mpg no matter how I drive, the 285-70-17 Duratac tires corrected my speedo so it's right on the money now and the rpm is where it should be 1850 @ 65mph but fuel mileage is the same.  So rpm dose not have a drastic effect if I'm going 60 or 75mph I am getting the same mpg, thinking back now the few times I did get better was when I had it basically stock no winch bumpers or roof rack so those items can be contributing to the loss.  I still think I should be getting better even with the setup I am running.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 12, 2016, 12:37:11 AM
Quick update, the old Cummins developed a I don't want to shutoff issue.  I was pretty sure it was the FSS (fuel shutoff solenoid) and I wasnt concerned as long as I could get I started, well then it would not start!  So I ordered a new FSS from Genos Garage they are around $20 so I got two just in case.

 Pretty straight forward job but you do have to do a little cutoff wheel action on the bracket that bolt to the back of the IP so you can get a 15/16 wrench in to take out the FSS, normally the plunger is what gives the problem but my plunger looked perfect from the looks of things the solenoid was the issue in my case.  Installed new unit and I'm back in business.

So what most people say that turn-up the power on their VE powered Cummins the FSS takes a beating, a lot of people just remove the plunger and run a pull cable to shut the motor down.

picture of bad solenoid and the amount of the bracket I had to cut off.


 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 12, 2016, 12:38:51 AM
Also I have about 8K on the Goodyear Dura-tracks and they are performing very well.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on June 12, 2016, 08:08:45 AM
No Space-X technology on the thing??? :D
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 18, 2016, 11:03:40 PM
Lockout update, I have not had much luck with lockouts.  I had upgraded the D60 to 35spline outers and used Yukon lockouts with the stage 8 spindle nuts.  Short story is you can not use a Dodge hub with the Stage 8 spindle nuts and Yukon Lockouts.
Yukon really stepped up when I called them and told them what happened, they sent me all the lockout parts that were damaged and bearings and sold me all of the parts that I needed to do the repair at cost.  Yukon dose stand behind their product!!!!

So there are supposedly two different types of hubs that were used on the D60 along with two different brake rotors casting 100353 and 99756.  My original D60 had the 99756 but the Yukon unit is based on the 100353 so I bought the rotors that are supposed to match that hub.  So there are some big differences in the rotors.  The rotor at matches the 100353 hub is .300 thicker and much heavier, the built up hub/rotor assembly 100353 is 5lbs heavier than the 99756. 

The Yukon hubs are a much better casting than the original Dana units, the only thing I do not like is the Yukon units are made in China!!!

Hub and rotor weight with the 99756 assembly is 44.5lbs and using the 100353 is 49.8lbs most of that added weight is from the different rotor.

I am running a 1.5” spacer because I am running Gen3 wheels, I had converted to 9/16 studs Dorman 610-253 (2.5”) the only problem was they were too short for my liking so when I built up the new hub I installed new studs Dorman 610-563(3.0”). then I had a new problem the stud was .100 too long for the 1.5” spacer and I really didn’t want to run a larger spacer.  So I used a 4” grinder and knocked off the .100 in no time!  Problem solved and now I have 100% thread engagement.

Any way back to the failure that started this story, I had a trip planned with the RC back in Jan and I hadn’t gotten all the parts I needed to swap out everything so I bought a set of Warn Premium lockouts so I could go on my trip.  I don’t think I will ever buy a Warn lockout again unless it for a stock axle.  It seems when you convert to the 35 spline outers it causes lots of problems even though Warn says these should work with the spline outers. As you can see from the picture the damage to the engagement assembly is moderate the lockout still worked but on one side I could not get the selector go all the way to the “locked” position. 
 
So all back together now so if all goes well this time I will not have any of these problem in the future!
 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 19, 2016, 08:27:09 AM
Thanks for the update. Glad it's bank on the road.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on June 19, 2016, 12:28:58 PM
Are those alum hubs or steel? I would opt for steel on the steering axle for safety.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 20, 2016, 11:23:17 AM
The Spacers I'm running are 6061, I have not had any problems with them and I have had them on there 55K miles, I think the key to any spacer is checking the torque regularly.  The Aluminum spacers should be fine in my application since I'm not towing and the brakes don't get hot for the most part, if I was doing a lot of towing and heavy braking I would go the steel route. 

The only thing I didn't like about my previous setup was I did not have 100% engagement of the stud in the lug nut but I never had an issue running them that way, I just didn't like it!

Also prepare for sticker shock if you buy the Dorman 610-583 they about $8.00 EACH!!!!  Don't understand why but Dorman is very proud of these.

 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on June 20, 2016, 11:59:55 AM
I have been pricing some for the burb. A little better in bulk, but still not fair for what it is and how many they make.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 20, 2016, 12:44:17 PM
that price is if you buy a box of 10ea!  I think the single unit price is 12 or 15!!!!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 27, 2016, 01:00:53 PM
So if you have splined hubs 90-93 D60 you can run either rotor (thick or thin) the Dodge calipers will fit over the thick rotor with new pads.  I would guess you could run any configuration of rotors, calipers and be OK, I have not looked at the GM caliper piston to see if its the same size as the Dodge caliper.  I can not confirm that the uprights are the same but I am assuming and Superban says there is only one upright showing in the parts book.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 27, 2016, 01:13:11 PM
Also if you are running 35 spline outers and decide to use Warn lockouts you will develop the issue you see above in the pictures.  The outer axle stubs will walk out and chew up the outer housing and they will not fully go to the lock position over time, I also had the problem that the lockout would engage on its own.    This might be something unique to my setup but I just wanted to make people aware of an issue, its seems lately I am finding problems for vendors after the fact.  My Warn lockouts are on their way back to Warn for warranty consideration. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 27, 2016, 02:56:40 PM
If it not one thing its something else, so I’m driving down the freeway @ 70mph and I hear a noise from the back of the RC and look in my mirror and see my spare tire bouncing down the freeway behind me, cars swerving trying to avoid, I immediately pull over to the side of the freeway.  I guess someone was watching over me and everyone else on the road that day because the tire did not hit anyone and stopped bouncing on the side of the road.   Needless to say I was perplexed as to how this happened, after I collected all the parts and got everything loaded in the back of the RC I got to a point to where I could look at everything in detail.
 
  A little background,  I built this rear bumper two years ago and it has never given me a problem.  So when I saw the spindle shaft sheared off I was extremely surprised, as you can see from the pictures it was a clean break and if you notice the color of the break its dark so it tells me the actual metal is suspect, there are no flaws in the metal and no oxidation so it happened all at once.  It is mounted vertically and stays in one position 90% of the time and if you look at the break it’s a forward to back in direction and makes sense as the tire will load the spindle in that direction going down the road as to why it still a mystery! this spindle in 1" in dia and made from a 1.5" bar stock.

I bought this unit from RufStuff specialties and they claim that this unit will support a 40” beadlock tire, and for the record I run a 33”LT unit.  I am at a loss as to why it broke and RuffStuff say this is the first time they have ever see one broken.  They did send me a new unit but since this bumper is also my spare fuel tank I have to cut the bumper open to change this unit I am going to build a new bumper and make some changes /improvements. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 27, 2016, 04:40:56 PM
That's strange looking- glad nobody got hit with the flying tire!  The one picture looks like dark lines going laterally and one looks like a dark ring around radially.  Was wondering if it got over heated when you welded it in place possibly? (radial ring)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 27, 2016, 04:52:29 PM
I was think the same thing, heat from welding but normally when you do that the unit will bend not snap off!  and two years later, maybe I've been lucky all this time
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 27, 2016, 06:06:30 PM
Heating & cooling at wrong rate changes the metallic structure- guessing the supplied spindle was turned steel and not ment to be welded?  Where it snapped was barrier between hot zone and where the original steel wasn't "altered" to the same molecular structure creating a weak spot that just happened to also be where stress point of your swing away rack resided.  Possibly one of the times you need to heat the spindle with a tourch to allow everything to cool the same?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on June 27, 2016, 06:24:17 PM
Man when it rains it pours! glad no one was hurt. I'm with "the Kid" on this one; I'm no metallurgist, but I've always been told heat treatments are tricky, and I know people have damaged their superjoint caps trying to tack weld the caps in place rather than relying on the full circle snap rings.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 27, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
I would agree but these are designed to be welded, in other words they have not been heat-treated.  Yes heating and cooling at the wrong rates can lead to problems but I'm not convinced it was the issue in this case, but it is possible since I was not present when these were welded in place anything is possible it just odd the way/when it broke .  basically this is a trailer spindle they have copied so you can mount swing aways on your bumper

http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/BUMPER.html
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on June 27, 2016, 06:34:10 PM
Ok, I was thinking of originally heat treated material that had been modified. My good friend, (ironically named Don) had custom cut and re-splined some dana 60 axles for his chevy II and first time at the track they snapped clean at the base of the new spline like they'd been sliced w/ a laser. They had not been properly heat treated at the new spline location. It really would boil down to two scenarios in my mind; faulty from the factory, or overheated during install.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 27, 2016, 06:41:24 PM
And this happened after two years of use, and I have USED this truck on some pretty nasty roads with just this tire the other side routinely has 4ea jerry cans full of fuel and water and that side has been good.  Now that the one side broke I will be paranoid.  You guys will love how I fixed it until I can build or repair a new bumper.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on June 27, 2016, 07:08:27 PM
Phil, to me it looks different than what you explained...it looks like it's been cracked awhile. The grease makes it hard to tell tho.

Dang china spindles........(?)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 27, 2016, 07:28:05 PM
Yes the grease dose make it hard to tell, there is not any evidence of the a crack being there long term it was not working on its self the metal is dull like it was just sheared off and this is supported on both ends when closed, I can almost guarantee its china junk
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on June 27, 2016, 08:54:29 PM
That's a good enough reason I suppose.

I was going to ask if the other end was supported, but even if it wasn't, I would think that it would take years to fracture a shaft that size if it was good steel to begin with.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 27, 2016, 09:22:07 PM
I agree, if you are ever over on RamCharger central we are discussing this, there is a theory that the stops I have on there caused the crack but the stops are only there to prevent the swingaways from hitting the sides of the RC once I open them.  They have never had enough force to start the crack and even if they did fly open the stop pin would bend.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on June 27, 2016, 10:47:58 PM
That's not the first one of those I saw break.

Performance Off Road did a custom CJ. Had one of those. The jeep spent like a year in the shop being built and on the heep's maiden voyage the tire carrier snapped off just like yours.

I have one, but different design. I would not have used it except that the wonderful folks at Road armor bumpers sent it to me as a part of their trick tire carrier.

I think that much weight needs a double shear mount period. I built my carrier on Square D that way. At some point I will likely convert the bumper/carrier on the Chebby to a stronger double shear design.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on June 27, 2016, 11:33:18 PM
I agree with Ken, that has been rocking back and forth for sometime and it finally gave. Notice all the little lines, then the last break.

Even with a big pin like that there should be some to stabilize all that weight up top.

Sure glad no one was hurt and you got everything back.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 28, 2016, 11:20:18 AM
That's not the first one of those I saw break.

Performance Off Road did a custom CJ. Had one of those. The jeep spent like a year in the shop being built and on the heep's maiden voyage the tire carrier snapped off just like yours.

I have one, but different design. I would not have used it except that the wonderful folks at Road armor bumpers sent it to me as a part of their trick tire carrier.

I think that much weight needs a double shear mount period. I built my carrier on Square D that way. At some point I will likely convert the bumper/carrier on the Chebby to a stronger double shear design.

I made a bunch of assumptions when I built the bumper, I assumed that a company would do some sort of basic analysis of a part before they state what it should be able to support.  I assumed said vendor would use good steel,   I will not make the same mistake twice.  I am going to do a true analysis of this part but since I don't know what the material is for sure it will not be 100%.

Don also make another good point how many "store bought" units are out there with this same design running around on the street.  My problem might of never materialized if I didn't drive as  much as I do.  in the other case if this was good steel it might of never broken.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on June 28, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
Good steel would definitely help/solve the problem

But steel comes from China

Nuff said!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on June 28, 2016, 04:04:06 PM
They get good steel, what they do with it is the question?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 29, 2016, 12:31:13 PM
When I was building this unit I asked two different local guys that build these all the time and I got the same answer that this unit(ruffstuff) is what they always use, 38” beadlock Blah,blah, blah.  So without doing a lot of research that is what I bought.  As with any project in hindsight I should of done more research on my own and looked at things more closely.  Fault is 100% on me.
 
  Since this happened with my set up I did some research and found this is a common problem with this design even when supported as my setup was.  Interesting thing I have noticed is all the break patterns are the same as mine, from the tire working fore to aft.  I have since talked to a couple other shops and one shop said they still use this setup but the second shop told me that they used to use them for 10 years until they had two fail in under a month, one was on a two year old build and the other was less than a month old.

So I ran some numbers, I took out all “conservativeism” based this on 1018 CRS(known USA steel) and joint to flat steel, I’m ignoring bearings , lower part of shaft and any tension that the shaft is under, shaft is weakest point and no stress concentration accounted for, and static load.  I have become lazy as normally I let the design software to the analysis so I had to think way back to school days.
 
Qmax  =  (Mr/I )/I 
M = Bending moment = (16” + .5”) X F(lbs)
R = shaft radius = .5”
I = second moment of inertia =  (π 〖in〗^4)/4 =0.049〖in〗^4

Qmax=(-b(16.5in)(F)(.5in))/(0.049〖in〗^4 )
Qmax = 168.4(F)psi

For AISI 1018CRS,  Ftu = 65300psi = Qmax
Fmax = Ftu/168.4  = 387.8lbs

So it is possible if you applied 387.8lbs 16” away from the 1” shaft it could/should break it
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on June 29, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
Wow, that's an ugly number....way less than I thought.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 29, 2016, 12:51:49 PM
You and me both but since I am not sure what steel was used I assumed for absolute worst case.  Remember this is for an unsupported load, the shaft I had was supported and my wheel I am estimating 75lbs and the weight of the tire has been working on it for two years.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on June 29, 2016, 12:55:25 PM
Good steel would definitely help/solve the problem

But junk steel comes from China

Nuff said!

FIFY
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 29, 2016, 01:00:46 PM
Agree but when you are buying something you can only go by what you are told by the vendor.  Unless you buy the raw steel your self and get a copy of the cert you really don't know what you have.  All this reminds me of the late 80's early 90's when the market was getting flooded with bogus aircraft/aerospace parts.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on June 29, 2016, 01:06:15 PM
Agreed, worst part is this particular vendor (I can just about bet, & I know him unfortunately) as most vendors do not know where his steel came from nor does he have copies of mill certs or for that matter sell the product at a high enough cost to carry the overhead of doing so..... The one thing I always had going for me was that I saw mill certs & knew where the steel came from as I was the one purchasing it from the mills for the company that supplied my business.  ;)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 29, 2016, 01:26:42 PM
And it could of been just a bad piece of steel, the other side I have applied 160lbs(4ea jerry cans) to that when I travel and I have not seen a problem.  the side that broke has always had a wheel on the carrier so I am guessing it is just metal fatigue for the weight of the wheel moving for to aft.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on June 29, 2016, 02:32:51 PM
I couldn't tell from your pictures, the side that latches. Is it supported underneath and to the vehicle side of the tire mount? What I'm thinking is that the continued vibration (if it was not supported properly on the latch side) is what killed that mount. Kind of reminds me of a couple trailer hitches I have encountered that over the course of years being tongue loaded to heavy and the constant traveling over poor roads ended up fatiguing the steel trailer hitch mount and it ended up tearing away from the truck.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 29, 2016, 05:19:31 PM
The other end of the swing away is supported and the latch dose LIMIT upward travel but would not completely stop it, in theory once the arm is on top of the bumper you have unloaded most of load on the bearing and spindle.

 You are correct every bump/vibration in the road and the wheel working fore to aft would constantly work the pin.  I haven’t decide what I will do on the next design yet, it will be a double shear hinge and the arm will be captured or bolted down with the hand screw setup.       
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 29, 2016, 05:23:35 PM
I am really liking this design because you weld the sleeve in the bumper and the pin drops in the sleeve and secured with the shear bracket.

http://www.comp4x4.com/Tire-Carrier-Hinge-Kit-with-DUAL-SHEAR-Bracket-HEAVY-DUTY.html

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on June 29, 2016, 11:25:36 PM
387 is not a lot of force when you are rocking a large tire back-forth.

So failures are occurring more than one would think, but I doubt it goes all at once. I would still say it took a few hours to do that, but once cracked, its gone!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build (Colorado trip)
Post by: wilsonphil on July 11, 2016, 12:25:02 PM
Took the RC on a little off road trip to the South West of Colorado, beautiful country had a great trip the RC did very well, I didn't have one problem never struggled anywhere on any of the trails I was on.  Didn't see many full size rigs out and about, it was mostly Polaris Razors and Jeep Rubicon's.  My RC draws way to much attention for my liking, not because how it looks mostly because people hear the Diesel and come running over to ask about it.   

Did the following trails and I an sure there are some I forgot,

Engineer
Imogene
mineral creek
California Gulch
Cimmamon pass
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 11, 2016, 12:32:34 PM
and then 50miles from end of trip carnage struck!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on July 11, 2016, 12:45:29 PM
Absolutely georgous country, and big as well. That one pic of the snow made me think "avalanche".

You changed that flexplate on the trail? ugh
..maybe time for a billet.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on July 11, 2016, 12:54:36 PM
What a wonderful country we have to see, just love it.

That is the reason I am thinking of billet right off for mine. Mine is sheared in the center but I have spares.

Did you change it on the trail?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 11, 2016, 01:41:03 PM
no fortunate for me this happened 50 miles from home, I could of made it but when it happened I pulled over real quick and shut the engine down to inspect, didn't see anything so tried to start it up and the starter just  hummed, a call to aaa and since I have plus the tow was free.  If this would of happened on the trail it would of been a very bad day. 

Sad part looks like it was broken for a long time, I put a new one in I got from NAPA 4years ago so I wouldn't have a problem >:(.  Its something I will look at from now on at every oil change but I have a new one coming from Cummins tomorrow. 

Really don't need a billet for my application just something that will last so I will buy from Cummins, even with the billet units the ring rear is welded.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 11, 2016, 02:37:02 PM
So the picture above, shows the NAPA unit that failed next to the unit that I took out when I did the conversion.  It looked good, no cracks but I didn't know the history so I put in a new unit.  if you look close the Original (dodge/Cummins) unit on the right has 13 welds and the NAPA unit only has nine. now the NAPA units welds are longer(same amount of weld area) so the spacing between the weld are father apart and I think that is what did this unit in.   Lesson learned so I will inspect more often! 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on July 11, 2016, 03:02:54 PM
could you go over the flex plate with more welds when you get a new one, or would that warp it / unbalance it..........?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 11, 2016, 03:52:57 PM
could you go over the flex plate with more welds when you get a new one, or would that warp it / unbalance it..........?

It would do both and then the ring gear would start to break.  The new unit from Cummins should solve the issue.  Part of the problem with going to a billet unit is they are normally thicker so you have to run a spacer between the bell housing and adapter plate, I don't like doing that and since I don't tow with this truck and the power is basically stock I should be fine with the stock unit.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on July 11, 2016, 03:56:34 PM
Does Cummins make an HD FP?? I bet Lane would know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 11, 2016, 04:17:41 PM
Not that I'm aware of they do not, I think they might just shot peen the center section to help with the stress.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Sammconn on July 11, 2016, 08:26:15 PM
Wow some beautiful country!
Good thing you broke I the way home.

The suck factor would be high up on top icons of the passes.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 12, 2016, 04:59:10 PM
The parts are starting to be delivered!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on July 13, 2016, 09:30:15 AM
Purdy!

Someone here talked me into some billet flywheel, I seem to remember...Was that you?  ;-))
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 14, 2016, 02:01:55 PM
Nope that was not me UNLESS you said you were making 800hp/1000Tq and the truck sits in your garage 98.986% of the time, I got a billet unit originally but sent it back after they told me that I had to run a spacer between the tranny and adapter plate because of the thickness. Not all of the billets require that, and DISCOLSURE the Cummins units are MADE IN CHINA!

Since my truck dose not tow and I don't have the power turned way up a stock unit will meet my needs.  When I repower/refresh  the Engine /tranny I will most likely put in an updated unit.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: BobbyB on July 14, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
UNLESS the truck sits in your garage 98.986% of the time,



 ;D
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on July 14, 2016, 06:04:18 PM
Nope that was not me UNLESS you said you were making 800hp/1000Tq and the truck sits in your garage 98.986% of the time.

I don't think you needed to be talked into it. It was the best, so you bought it, simple.

 8) :-[ ;D :o
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 14, 2016, 06:21:37 PM
Guys I think I made a mistake in the calculation, When I did the original calculation I went thru the whole SquareD thread and I only found one occurrence of said truck moving out the spot it has been in since its build commenced but upon closer scrutiny of the data I found two occurrences of SquareD rolling out of the garage.  So the new number is 99.897% under protected cover time!  Sorry Don but I corrected my mistake! 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: cudakidd53 on July 14, 2016, 07:37:23 PM
Wow, it's getting rough on poor Don!  NONE of us do/attempt the current number of projects that he's juggling.......plus a young boy with jungle crotch rot!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on July 14, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
Guys I think I made a mistake in the calculation, When I did the original calculation I went thru the whole SquareD thread and I only found one occurrence of said truck moving out the spot it has been in since its build commenced but upon closer scrutiny of the data I found two occurrences of SquareD rolling out of the garage.  So the new number is 99.897% under protected cover time!  Sorry Don but I corrected my mistake! 
You're forgiven...sort of...

Possibly banned in the near future, but G-T-G for the moment ;-)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 18, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
RC is mobile again, didn't find any other issues everything went back together very smoothly.

The engine is noticeably smoother!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 25, 2016, 01:11:28 PM
So as most of you know the electrical systems on the Dodges are let say “a little bit lacking”, I got pretty fed up with the AC system when on the way back from Colorado the blower fan decided to stop running in 110 degree heat.  So I do some research on what could be done.

  Dodge really has not updated how the systems work in these trucks/cars, when you have Max AC selected and the fan on high in theory you are supposed to have full battery voltage at the fan motor.  This is never the case, maybe the day it left the factory but I doubt it mine was only getting 9.8V one time I got 10.5V so there in a lot of resistance in the entire system .  So technology has improved and now we have what are known as PWM (Pulse Width Module or Modulation) what these units do is pulse 12v to whatever you are powering but at full battery amperage.  This is basically done with capacitors but you get the idea. 

These units are fairly cheap the basic units are anywhere from 10 to 20 dollars and could be gotten from many different places.  I found one on Ebay, it was a higher end model but it had features I wanted.  Most of these units need to be mounted in an enclosure but need airflow because there is heat generated I mounted mine in the cab under the AC box. I installed a relay and 12ga wire, this system is 100% isolated from the factory AC system and the way I did the wiring I still have that system if the PWM gives problems.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371521297570?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

So far it has made a night and difference in the performance of the AC system, my AC system was marginal even with good window tenting now the people in the back seat can at least get some relief.  Long term I will keep everyone posted to make sure these units are dependable.  Pictures coming!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on July 26, 2016, 10:21:47 AM
Thanks for that link!

I was just looking over the AC wiring/control in SquareD

You may recall I cut the computer and it's wiring harness completely out of the truck

Consequently, a lot the systems no longer work, so I am having to hard wire them and am just slowly sorting through the thing. Sometime I will finally get that roof mounter cooler (Condenser) mounted and run some lines.

Right now the normal fan switch works normally. However, I think the actual Compressor cycle circuit may not. So I have to sort through that thing. This control unit would add electronics to the truck, which I don't want, but would solve for the iffy fan control.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 26, 2016, 11:43:50 AM
The AC system is pretty simple, it just performs really bad in our trucks, maybe in Alaska or Greenland it might work good but anywhere it gets hot its marginal in performance.

Do you still have the factory AC box in your truck?  You will still need the vacuum system to make the doors work in the AC box.  As far as no electronics the factory Dodge system is the way to go its really 30's technology.  Worst case you really only need the defroster so you could wire the blower motor on a relay but without some voodoo you would only have full speed. 

Or you could go to an aftermarket AC system.

So far this PWM is working well, and any electronics can be protected against EMI/pulse if you want to go thru the effort.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: swbhobie16 on July 26, 2016, 12:24:28 PM
this might be the best piece of electrical goodies to go in the '89. I'm assuming that the fan control speed can be mounted in any location by simply splicing and soldering longer wires to reach an accessible mounting spot. and it takes the fan control speed lever out of the circuit..? that.. would be perfect. can't wait to see some pics/wiring diagram of what you did.

maybe then my battery voltage wouldn't drop as much with fan on high along with pushing more air. a win win in my book
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 26, 2016, 03:01:46 PM
Yes you are correct, and that is what I did, just extended the wires and mounted the potentiometer.  so far its working very well, the unit I picked has its own cooling fan and this should be mounted somewhere it gets airflow.  the Factory switch will not control anything once you do the conversion.

Hopefully your blower cage/fan is in good shape because nobody makes them aftermarket

I will draw up a schematic and post pictures soon.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 26, 2016, 03:15:17 PM
Phil, I would appreciate your comments on my build thread regarding steel vs 7075 aluminum
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: swbhobie16 on July 26, 2016, 05:24:56 PM
as far as I can tell.. the blower and housing all works well. just seems to pull the volt meter down when in high, and like you said only getting maybe 10volts. if it works on the cummins, may do it on my 355 swapped Cherokee since it shows it worse. (pulls voltage way down bc it's not running right off the battery)

I wonder if it matters which piece to order (whether from CA or China..) they all seem the same but the link you sent is showing out of stock. maybe I'll just hold off till California has another shipment. hahah
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 26, 2016, 05:56:07 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-30V-80A-PWM-DC-Motor-Speed-Controller-With-Constant-Current-Output-2400W-MAX/371638913533?_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140131123730%26meid%3D5d60a6b7dc714cfe93d779b4bf2deb9f%26pid%3D100167%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D371521297570

this is the same I got but it dose not have the reversible option, but you don't need it really!  in the USA

you could go the very simple route and just use a relay for when the switch is on high but then you are still dealing with the factory switch and resistor module and all the 20+ year wire.  I wanted to get rid of all of that.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: swbhobie16 on July 26, 2016, 06:35:17 PM
if I'm gonna do it, I'd like it to cut the factory stuff completely out so its just the potentiometer controlling the fan.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 26, 2016, 06:45:44 PM
the beauty of on of these unit is you can leave 100% of the factory stuff in place,  run all new wire and forget about it.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: swbhobie16 on July 26, 2016, 07:33:14 PM
perfect. will add it to my cart and order when I get back home
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 29, 2016, 08:33:54 PM
I started my rear bumper rebuild, I went with the comp 4X4 units and the only issue I see is the shear bracket will not fit.  I really like the width of my current bumper but I might extend it long enough to pick up 2ea of the bolt holes and then a little boxing to help stiffin it up.  I have everything but time to do the work.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on August 30, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
I'd definitely extend that structure to catch those bolt holes

Why no time?

Too many rocket launches?

Darned rockets...

For me it was helicopters and jets

They were always gettin' in the way of my quality time!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 30, 2016, 10:34:46 AM
I agree in principle but then the bumper becomes a rock and tree catcher!  I will extend the bumper to catch the second hole and I might be able to modify the hatch on the RC so I can move the hinge in more and maybe get all three.  I can also strengthen the bracket  to make up if I do cut it down to fit

Lots and lots of rockets, I feel like the dunkin donughts guy most days, time to build the rockets!!!  For me its been Rockets, Missiles, Airplanes(all types), Cars and Boats, motorcycles, weapons systems and anything associated with those activities.  I have always stayed away from those rotary wings because they are so dangerous!   

 Its killing me because I have 100% of the material to finish the build just no time to do the work
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 03, 2016, 10:31:55 PM
So the other day coming back from a trip in the RC I notice my passenger rear brake caliper smoking, so as I looking at that I notice the rear hub seal has developed a leak.  So a little background on the Axle I completely rebuilt this unit and when I upgraded to the Disk brakes were the hub seal rides was grooved pretty bad so I installed a Redi-Sleeve  and I hadn’t had a problem until recently.

So I disassembled everything and now the “new” Redi-Sleeve has a groove worn in it now so I have to replace it again, they are about $42 but you have to be careful installing and go on VERY even.  Everything back together now with new brake pads and no leaks after 100mi run.

My only question was the pad wear, as you can see the pads are not very even, the other side was like this also but not to this degree.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Sammconn on October 03, 2016, 10:36:06 PM
No picture yet, but when I've had seals go, if it was missed for real long, it seemed the oils melted the pads.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on October 03, 2016, 11:14:56 PM
On the bumper, I'd just trim the gusset (or replace it with one that will drop down the outer edge of the bumper) & the three hole tab area would get heated & bent down side of bumper as well. I wouldn't extend the bumper, you won't gain enough strength to matter.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2016, 12:54:48 AM
No picture yet, but when I've had seals go, if it was missed for real long, it seemed the oils melted the pads.

No the oil never got to them
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2016, 12:56:25 AM
On the bumper, I'd just trim the gusset (or replace it with one that will drop down the outer edge of the bumper) & the three hole tab area would get heated & bent down side of bumper as well. I wouldn't extend the bumper, you won't gain enough strength to matter.

Agreed, just need to find time to put it all together.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wyorunner on October 04, 2016, 01:18:15 AM
Never seen pads wear like that, but it seems one of the pistons in your caliper is getting more pressure than the other, causing un even wear. However that is only if your calipers are dual piston. Just thinking out loud here, have your pistons ever been pushed all the way out? As in the pedal was pushed when the caliper was not installed? Or something to that effect? Did that with a wheel cylinder on my 4Runner, I think it was because I pushed the drive side while the passenger side was without the drum to maintain pressure, or vice versa. All that being said, is it possible it may have caused a piston to hang up?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2016, 08:07:43 AM
No the calipers are K20 chevy fronts single piston, they are brand new units from when I did the conversion.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on October 04, 2016, 08:37:06 AM
I used to sell Ford & GM front king pin disc conversions. They weren't my design but I cut all the brackets & helped with a couple small design changes over the years. The one kit (thinking Ford but it's fuzzy) we used a 10ga (.135 thick) spacer between the main bracket that bolted to the knuckle to center the caliper on the rotor. I know nothing of what or whose kit you have but after looking at the pics wondering if you don't need a spacer similar.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2016, 09:25:41 AM
The kit I used is from TSSM ther are spacers used in this setup, I am going to give them a call today and see what they say.  Not sure what caused the weird wear pattern but it both sides are doing it so something has changed over the last 60K miles.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on October 04, 2016, 09:40:57 AM
I would mount everything together without the pads and make sure the caliper is aligned with the rotor   
and the bushings are tight.  If those 2 items are gtg,  and the rotor wasn't loose, you might have an issue with the bracket flexing....it wouldn't take much to cause that amount of uneven wear.

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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2016, 11:01:01 AM
That was the first thing I did, it looks good/acceptable everything was tight.  the calipers came with the kit and were new units but everything is made in China so its always suspect but all that looked good also.  I am beginning to believe its flex also but when I have someone press the brake petal I don't see enough flex to be concerned about
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on October 04, 2016, 12:05:58 PM
Could always mount a dial indicator on it & have someone press on the peddle too.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2016, 12:17:12 PM
Using my calibrated eye I would say between 4-10thous
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 04, 2016, 01:03:32 PM
Do those calipers float on pins or slide on the bracket?  Looks like a situation where the pins are sticking or slide is not lubed but I'm not familiar with that particular set up.


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2016, 01:30:46 PM
Pins, its just like a standard 3/4 ton Chevy front setup.  I am beginning to think its the calipers
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on October 04, 2016, 01:44:04 PM
I was thinking flex under load...braking/torsional load. I can't think of a way to check that. Since everything looks good, I would just slap some pads back on and chaulk it up to design.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 04, 2016, 03:43:20 PM
Maybe a couple more bolts on those mounts would help,,,,,,,,,, :o
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 04, 2016, 03:56:56 PM
Maybe a couple more bolts on those mounts would help,,,,,,,,,, :o

Now your just being silly.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Wilbur on October 04, 2016, 04:00:08 PM
I am no expert so take EVERYTHING I say with a grain of salt....its worth what it will cost ya.  ;) They appear to be wearing in a straight line....I would think if it was flexing you might get some chatter depending on when the brakes were applied and if it was aligned or not with the pad when the pads were closed on the rotor? This is only on one side right? You might try measuring both sides and checking all the clearances, tolerances, check for level etc. and see if you come up with different calcs on the side that wears funky v. the other side. Assuming the tires are wearing evenly it would seem the caliper is off to the rotor.....if the hub was offset (which would include the rotor) somehow the tire would wear unevenly no?

Curious what you find out....
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 05, 2016, 07:43:01 PM
Since it's floating on pins make sure the caliper slides freely. Install the bracket and caliper without the rotor and move it in and out it should move smoothly and freely. Pins and grease are a cheap fix


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on October 05, 2016, 09:03:36 PM
Charles is right. If those pins are binding, it will do that. I thought you said they were new, but I went back and realized they were new over 60k ago.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on October 06, 2016, 12:04:56 PM
Since it's floating on pins make sure the caliper slides freely. Install the bracket and caliper without the rotor and move it in and out it should move smoothly and freely. Pins and grease are a cheap fix


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Agreed. uneven brake wear us usually one pad dragging on the rotor after you've release the breaks. either the piston in the caliper isn't returning to zero, either fast enough, or at all, or the slides are dirty and causing the floating aspect to be nil and allowing that pad to just ride on the rotor.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 07, 2016, 10:36:06 PM
Are we sure the actual caliper mount is square to toe rotor??

I'd think the amount of misalignment (angular variance) might equal the amount that mount could be off

I may very well be wrong, but it is a possibility regardless of how remote the odds...
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on November 17, 2016, 08:15:15 AM
Did you replace the little rubber O rings in the calipers? The ones your pins slide through? When they are worn they will wear pads oddly.

I'd be more worried about why your wheel seal is grinding a groove in your seal surface. The hub and  the rotor moving around during cornering and such would also cause odd wear. It's a Dodge Dana 70...you should be worried LoL

BTW I was surprised...no safety wire on your caliper bracket to housing bolts?  ;D
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on November 17, 2016, 08:31:32 AM
^^^^ Is that a Norm sighting???

Can I get confirmation...??...
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on November 17, 2016, 11:04:39 AM
Confirmed, multiple hits confirmed.

Kate has em wrenching again and his heads up after the election.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on November 17, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
It's a Dana 70...you should be worried LoL

No truer words have ever been spoken..... ::)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 23, 2016, 02:13:36 PM
Just quick update, the rear brakes have been working as advertised so nothing notable as of yet.
I did pick up this yesterday if my 46rh even dies this will be rebuilt.  The 47rh are getting hard to find especially ones that were behind the Diesels and V10
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 23, 2016, 10:47:57 PM
You should see what they want for just cores out here!

Are you going to rebuild yourself? Thinking about mine, Don did not have good luck doing his.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 24, 2016, 01:04:16 AM
Yes that's why I buy them when I see them, this was behind a V10. But for $125 it's hard to pass up, it's needs a rebuild but it looks like it was just the clutches.  I will rebuild it my self.  I have done 727's for years and these are pretty close so I don't think I will have to much trouble.  Don has a Dodge truck???   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 24, 2016, 03:32:03 AM
Yep, and it has the 46h in it to as I have. I think mine is good,(sheared the flywheel) but still want HD parts. Plus mine came with a 205 and the cross member.

Seen a few "how to's" on youtube, its the upgrades that I am not really sure about.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Bob Smith on December 24, 2016, 11:21:34 AM
JR, I think way back in time Don did have a Dodge, but haven't seen any postings in so long I think it was repossessed or sold at a garage sale or something.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 24, 2016, 12:14:33 PM
Yep, and it has the 46h in it to as I have. I think mine is good,(sheared the flywheel) but still want HD parts. Plus mine came with a 205 and the cross member.

Seen a few "how to's" on youtube, its the upgrades that I am not really sure about.

It really depends on how your going to be using the truck, if you are going to tow heavy and turn up the power then you MIGHT start to have problems, so internal upgrades might be worth it.  Shearing the flexplate is a sign they either had the power turned up or were towing heavy and then things like the front input shaft could be suspect. 

Automatics are not hard they are just basically a hyd pump. 

For the 46rh(nonlockup)in my RC I do not know how many miles are on it.  I put a overhualed autozone overhualed TC and shift kit when I did the swap and have not had any problems after 60k miles of all kinds of terrain. 

Heat is the enemy, I have only seen the trans temp get to around 190-200 a few times it's always climbing hills switchbacks so pulling a grade and going slow the engine temp was up also, in most cases your tranny temp should stay coupled to your engine temp, 99% of the time my temp stays around 140.  If you keep it cool and have a good rebuild then I don't think you will have any problems, only reason I'm going to the 47rh(lockup) is to maybe help with the fuel mileage when on the highway.

Of note when off road and in low range and carrying power my trans temp never went over 160.

Also the V10 and Diesiels use the same transmission housing, the counter weights internally are different to compensate with the rpm difference and the TC are different.  Also the adapter plates from the engine to transmission are different from the 46rh and the 47rh so that means the over length of the package will be one inch longer.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 24, 2016, 01:22:14 PM
I wish my Dmax would stay that cool. I thought about lockup but unless a deal comes my way the 46RH will be the tranny of choice. I am thinking about the upgrade input and know that includes the first gear set.

I plan on turning it up to the 300-350hp range. Just a VE, so nothing major.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: swbhobie16 on December 26, 2016, 11:10:31 AM
i'm sure you have already done lots of looking on the internetzz on the swap.. but there are a few small things here and there i believe i've committed to memory, but are also in the 715.9  build.

one major one being the machining of the coupling from trans to case and swapping over the shift and TV lever from the 46 to the 47rh..
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on December 27, 2016, 01:43:07 PM
Good score man on the trans. And yah if ya can rebuild a 727, the newer OD stuff is basically the same trans with gadgets attached.

Just don't fall for the "super tight" converters so many sell for Cummins trucks. They will kill off road drive-ability and MPG. Especially the VE pump trucks. They like a lil "stall"


Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: swbhobie16 on December 27, 2016, 10:25:23 PM
you think a tight stall might be some issue with what the kaiser is experiencing? seems to not want to return to idle after a quick bump of the skinny pedal while in gear. (even just bumping it to get it moving from a dead stop and taking your foot of the fuel quickly..)
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on April 09, 2018, 01:18:27 PM
Not much to report on the RC front, 60K on the conversion now, and it has been a very dependable truck. 

The original seats have given up the ghost and to repair the factory seats is as much if not more than new seats.  I bought a set of Corbeau Sport Seats  https://corbeau.com/sport-reclining/sport-seat.html and seat adapters https://corbeau.com/master-seat-brackets  for the upgrade. 

 Seats fit good no issues, there is interfere with the head rest and the roll bar if you recline to far, also the D670 seat adapter on the passenger side does not fit as advertised, I had to install 3/8 spacers under the bracket to get the seat tracks to clear the factory seat pedestal. Looking at the passenger seat seems Dodge installed 1/2” spacers not sure why but that’s what Dodge did.

 Corbeau has very good customer service VERY responsive, they are actually making me a custom seat adapter so I can get rid of the 3/8 spacers Im currently using. 

I have started the spare Core Cummins engine rebuild, the block and crank are getting checked at the shop right now, once I get everything back I will update on the assembly.  The only reason I’m swapping out the engine is because Im worried about the thrust bearing failing as the first gen Cummins has a three piece design and I don’t want it to come apart out on the trail.   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on April 09, 2018, 01:42:53 PM
Thanks for the update and nice seats. I bet those are cheaper than the recarro's I used in my old truck!

Hows mileage been? I have a gen 1 6bt for the sub.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on April 09, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
I got the seats thru Summit, free shipping and no Tax, they were $600 for the pair and the adapters are $100 each.

Mileage is still 13-15MPG but I drive fast(75-80) and the RC weights +7000lbs, I am rebuilding a 47RH but I doubt the lockup with really help much.  We will see what is dose after the Cummins rebuild and the 47RH   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on April 09, 2018, 02:05:26 PM
Was just at summit eyeing them as the kids tried em.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wyorunner on April 09, 2018, 04:10:41 PM
How did the rear bumper re build turn out? I don’t recall seeing a finished one after the swing out decided to jump ship. Also, not that it’s worth anything now, and the seats are gross (dirty) but the 92 seats are in decent shape....
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on April 09, 2018, 04:24:37 PM
I haven’t forgot about you, I’m making plans to head that way, sorry for the delay not a lot of free time!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wyorunner on April 09, 2018, 07:31:19 PM
I haven’t forgot about you, I’m making plans to head that way, sorry for the delay not a lot of free time!

Didn’t think you did, you know where it’s at and where it’s going, so no worries.

But seriously though, that rear bumper gas/air tank thing you built or were building, how did it turn out?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on April 09, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
its on the I have to get back to that list, sad part its all cut just need to weld it up!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on April 10, 2018, 06:48:36 AM
That picture of the seats makes it look like you are about to send that RC into orbit....
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2018, 09:40:07 AM
That picture of the seats makes it look like you are about to send that RC into orbit....
Remembering of course that recently his boss did just that same sort of thing!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on April 12, 2018, 11:40:20 AM
So the block and crank are back from the machine shop they both checked out no issues/cracks everything is STD.  This engine was a core I picked up awhile back that had a broken camshaft from one of the gearcase bolts that came loose and fell into the gears. This did much damage to the engine, broke the cam, which then allowed the valves to hit the pistons, then all the pushrods bent, the tappets broke from the pushrods going into pretzel mode.

One other thing that happened was the keyway sheared on the crank gear I didn’t notice this the crank shop called me and told me about it, this will be fun fixing because I have to cut what’s left of the key so I can pull the gear.   

I still have ALOT of detail work I have to do to the block before I start reassembly!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on April 12, 2018, 12:13:09 PM
I like that engine stand!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on April 12, 2018, 04:07:32 PM
That would hold a truck.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 07, 2018, 12:18:22 PM
Tackled the sheared dowel pin on the Cummins crank this weekend, I taped up the area real good and then took a small dremel to what was left of the dowel. 

 I bought a Hyd gear puller for this job for two reasons.

1.   I didn’t have a good way to secure the crank and with a conventional puller it was going to be a challenge.
2.   The puller was reasonable so it was worth the gamble and I can always use it for other things in the future.

Ok so once I ground down the dowel as far as I was comfortable with I setup the puller and without too much effort it came right off.
After that I drilled a hole in the center of the dowel and used an easy out to remove what was left of the old dowel, by design the dowel is soft so that helped a lot.  The gear looks fine but they are not much money from Cummins so I will get a new one.


Side note my DD is a Dodge Magnum which is pretty much a direct copy of a E-class Mercedes, they also copied the weaknesses in that design notably the suspension.  So I had to change the upper and lower control arms, front Pads and rotors (this thing is really hard on brakes) oil change, and then I noticed when I was inspecting the rear Diff there is about  1/8 to ¼ of slop in the pinion to ring, this explains the noise, the oil was clean but we will see how it goes.     
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 07, 2018, 12:19:03 PM
last picture
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: rpar86 on May 07, 2018, 01:14:25 PM
No pics are showing
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: BobbyB on May 07, 2018, 02:47:48 PM
No pics are showing

I approved them so they should be up now.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: rpar86 on May 07, 2018, 02:52:33 PM
No pics are showing

I approved them so they should be up now.

Ah cool, didn't realize there was a pic approval process. Must only be for pics hosted off the forum server, not linked from elsewhere (like tapatalk)?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on May 07, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
That's no bueno on the magnum diff. $$$$$$$$. what year is it?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 07, 2018, 05:51:22 PM
2005 R/T it’s supposedly  a 2.82 ratio
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: BobbyB on May 08, 2018, 06:11:48 AM
Ah cool, didn't realize there was a pic approval process. Must only be for pics hosted off the forum server, not linked from elsewhere (like tapatalk)?

It's possible, I just saw by the pics it said "Approve All" by the groups of photos so I approved them for you.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on May 08, 2018, 05:04:27 PM
Hey there sir, is the magnum awd or just rwd, and is it a 3.5L or 5.7L motor? 2.82 ratio smells like 5.7L which is dealer only complete assembly...  :undecided:
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 08, 2018, 06:55:10 PM
2wd, 5.7.   Mopar dose not sell them anymore you are correct, not even the gears.  I can always go with an SRT unit or one of the GETRAG setups but ill see where this goes, it not making noise or metal yet its just sloppy right now.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build(life goes sidways)
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2018, 11:09:34 AM
Well ten steps forward twenty steps back.

All good things come to an end or side in this case.  This is what happens when you let a supposed experienced driver, drive your truck!  She was very lucky she didn’t kill herself and that is the most important thing!  20 more feet on either side of this road and this would have been a whole different story.
 
Long story short she was going too fast, lost control, got the truck sideways and rolled it on its side, the shell is completely tweaked and is really not repairable, at least I'm not willing to do it. In this case the roof rack prevented from a complete roll over, it amazes me that the door window and the rear glass did not break.
 
I cannot stress how important it is to be prepared for a situation like this, having good recovery gear and knowledge of how to use the recovery gear made this for a fairly painless recovery, that and having a extra vehicle to help pull it over on its feet.

Mechanically all is good I drove it home after refilling the engine oil, and everything worked as required.
I honestly have not 100% decided is I going to rebuild or not, you never really appreciate how much work, money and time you put into a project like this until you start thinking about what is need to replicate the whole process, the small detail work are always the things you forget about.

The RC was become somewhat important for my side business, if I do decide to do this again I’m debating to buy a Dakota or Ram four door to get me thru the summer, with the way work is right now It would take me six months to a year to rebuild IF I rebuild.       
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on May 21, 2018, 12:16:48 PM
NO!!! Phil that's just terrible. I assume there are pics out there waiting for Bobby or someone to approve. Sorry to hear about this, I really liked this build.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 21, 2018, 12:54:50 PM
Pictures approved........letting a chick you're not married to drive your truck......disapproved!  I hope she's paying for the crap she broke - those were the rules in the racing world; you break it, you bought it!  Explains why I never got crazy in a Sprint Car while driving it.....too much expensive stuff to damage!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on May 21, 2018, 01:08:12 PM
DAMN
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on May 21, 2018, 01:57:14 PM
Ouch. Was that a run uphill, picture looks level but the other looks like a run was in the works?

Is the roof that bad? Looks like it took the brunt with the rack.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on May 21, 2018, 01:57:47 PM
Sorry about your unfortunate luck. However, you could treat it as a tool. Meaning tools get scratches and dings. It is a tool to get you point A to B, it is still capable of that. My EB the first dog house I replaced after a side toss, once I beat up the new dog house I said the heck with it and drove it...…..
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2018, 02:00:22 PM
Pictures approved........letting a chick you're not married to drive your truck......disapproved!  I hope she's paying for the crap she broke - those were the rules in the racing world; you break it, you bought it!  Explains why I never got crazy in a Sprint Car while driving it.....too much expensive stuff to damage!

 Hindsight is always 20/20, the girl who was driving is the daughter (early 20’s) of one of the pilots I fly with, she has driven this road over 100 times over the last couple years and his truck most of the times.  My guess she was trying to be a trophy truck driver and got it bouncing and then sideways and then on its side.

I very happy she is not hurt, that is the most important thing.  Money was not discussed at this point, and I’m 100% in agreement with you, it was the same way when I was road racing, you ding you pay.  Its hard to put a dollar figure on this I will have to buy a donor but then all the work for the swap I am currently thinking around 5K in parts Im sure it will be more.  I will see if her dad offers anything but most people don’t take responsibility for screw-ups!  Id like to see her pay just so she learns the lesson. if it were me and it was his truck I would have already written the check!

Very sad thing she never apologized to me, her Dad did but she never said one word to me. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2018, 02:02:07 PM
Ouch. Was that a run uphill, picture looks level but the other looks like a run was in the works?

Is the roof that bad? Looks like it took the brunt with the rack.

nope she was coming down!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on May 21, 2018, 02:08:35 PM
Down answers a lot. Been there plenty of times just trying to keep it straight! Sure that slug in the engine bay didn't help with the short wheelbase.

Glad no one was hurt is the biggie.

Maybe a doner body?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: cudakidd53 on May 21, 2018, 03:13:41 PM
WAIT!  We know a guy with a square body pick-up somewhere on this SITE!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on May 21, 2018, 03:16:06 PM
Heck, I bet Norm has a spare body for it!!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2018, 03:44:58 PM
Sorry about your unfortunate luck. However, you could treat it as a tool. Meaning tools get scratches and dings. It is a tool to get you point A to B, it is still capable of that. My EB the first dog house I replaced after a side toss, once I beat up the new dog house I said the heck with it and drove it...…..

Agreed, but if one of your employees/helpers cut your favorite Snapon wrench in half with the plasma cutter using it to hold a piece of metal you would not be happy.  There is a little sentimental value in the RC but in the end its just a Truck.   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on May 21, 2018, 03:46:45 PM
Heck, I bet Norm has a spare body for it!!

They re still out there, getting harder to find, either super nice or beat to death.  I have not decided what to do or if I will rebuild.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 21, 2018, 04:26:30 PM
Wow. That sucks.

Sorry to hear. Glad she’s ok. This will be an integrity test for the dad for sure


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on May 21, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
Sorry about your unfortunate luck. However, you could treat it as a tool. Meaning tools get scratches and dings. It is a tool to get you point A to B, it is still capable of that. My EB the first dog house I replaced after a side toss, once I beat up the new dog house I said the heck with it and drove it...…..

Agreed, but if one of your employees/helpers cut your favorite Snapon wrench in half with the plasma cutter using it to hold a piece of metal you would not be happy.  There is a little sentimental value in the RC but in the end its just a Truck.

I understand, I have a handful of tool that were my grand dads and they don't get used by even me. The angle I was going for with my prior comment was "character" that tool has a lot more of it now and a story got added to it too...… Wish you the best.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Bigdave_185 on May 21, 2018, 10:39:49 PM
Wow. That sucks.

Sorry to hear. Glad she’s ok. This will be an integrity test for the dad for sure


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It only took this life lesson once for me really, “don’t borrow things”.

I borrowed a fly rod from a old boss. My brother in law snapped the tip off in the tailgate.   I had to buy a new Sage rod and than was in no position to buy my self a new rod because I really enjoyed fly fishing.   So now I don’t borrow things, if I justify its worth borrowing I might as well purchase my own.   

Mind you a few exceptions to this rule with a few select people.   And that list gets smaller every time I look at it. 


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 21, 2018, 10:57:24 PM
good rules to live by.  Mine is "I don't borrow anything I can't afford to replace"

Title: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wyorunner on May 22, 2018, 12:16:10 AM
Dang! That’s unfortunate to see, but glad the girl is ok. May have a place for it if your not going to rebuild it you may also be able to talk my wife out of hers, but unlikely, she loves the thing.

Sorry about the overall loss of such a nice rig.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on May 22, 2018, 12:31:37 AM
Sorry to see your ride in that shape. We all know how you feel about that RC... And for her not to acknowledge her mistake is just throwing salt in your wounds. Hope they do the right thing.

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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Superwhdm on May 22, 2018, 07:25:40 AM
I hope her dad had a heart to heart with her.  Perhaps an apology from her is coming. I understand the pain felt about a project made by so much of your time and effort being senselessly destroyed in seconds.  Was her dad in the truck too? If I had a place for it Id come get it.  It’s still a great ride!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on May 22, 2018, 11:33:19 AM
I hope her dad had a heart to heart with her.  Perhaps an apology from her is coming. I understand the pain felt about a project made by so much of your time and effort being senselessly destroyed in seconds.  Was her dad in the truck too? If I had a place for it Id come get it.  It’s still a great ride!
I'll echo this. I'm hoping the magnitude of her error has her speechless and in shock, not knowing what to say to you. Here's hoping they step up to the plate and take care of you.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on June 12, 2018, 11:58:32 AM
Bummer man on the dings... I'd just drive it as is. Now ya don't have to worry about damage. Then again I drive Patch...way worse shape body wise LoL So you may want to ignore my opinion....

I own a very well built RC with a cummins.. If I do it again (working on it) I'd build a short box pickup with a 6bt....far more useful, stable. Our RC pretty much is just a road cruiser, its too short of a wheelbase for off road use with that nose anchor.   Still a bummer man....






Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on June 12, 2018, 08:49:43 PM
Well as fate would have it the guys daughter stepped up to the plate, at least enough to cover parts to redo what was lost.  Teaser in the rear view! 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on June 12, 2018, 09:07:44 PM
Good deal, keep us posted on progress
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on June 12, 2018, 09:25:51 PM
That's good news!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on June 12, 2018, 09:48:19 PM
That’s great to hear


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 13, 2018, 07:59:27 AM
Well as fate would have it the guys daughter stepped up to the plate, at least enough to cover parts to redo what was lost.  Teaser in the rear view!

I’d hit the brakes- that guys following awfully close!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on June 13, 2018, 08:17:46 AM
that thing wouldn't happen to be green and come from KY now would it?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on June 13, 2018, 11:34:28 AM
that thing wouldn't happen to be green and come from KY now would it?
Ha-Ha
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 09, 2018, 07:49:10 PM
OK FLEET update, I needed a vehicle that can haul six people and gear to some hard to get places.  There is not a lot of choices out there that are short wheel base that's why the Ramcharger was so ideal.  I wanted to stay with MOPAR so a 2003 2500 Ram showed up that was the right price and didn’t need a whole lot of work and had options what I wanted.  Hopefully this one dose not get rolled, plan is to use this for the next few months until I retire and then I can rebuild the Ramcharger.  Then sell the 2003 off or cut down the frame and mount the ramcharger body to it. I also have a very nice offer for Wynorunner that I might take him up on.

So the 2003 is a high mileage unit 300K but guy was second owner and he took care of it, I have found nothing major other than the front Diff retainer lock wire falling out and getting chewed up by the gears.

 I have done the basic maintenance, Plugs, hoses, belt and tensioner, thermostat, Fluids, hood struts, door latch.  I took the rims and tires from the rolled 90 Ramcharger and threw them on there as they are not doing much good on the ramcharger right now.
 
This truck has a bed cover which I wanted so I put on new lift struts and latches so that is 100% now.  Now I will put some miles driving it around to see if anything else shows up, so far it runs really well.

So as most of you can imagine straight/clean/rust-free) ramchargers are getting hard to find, it will only get harder as time goes by.  So I found a straight/rust-free 1992 Ramcharger that belonged to the City of Carson NV, it was an LE package which is odd for a city to buy unless it was for a big wig, it had spotlights and the dash has a few holes from all the raidos and the interior is pretty dirty, but I bought it for the body and I have the interior from the 90 that got rolled.  This was a running and driving unit, 360TBI with the 518 overdrive.  What a pig this thing is now I understand why people want to always want to work on the engine, I think the transmission might have issues but the frame and driveline I don’t really care about.  One interesting thing is the City had someone weld trusses under the axles, don’t quite understand why they did that real just made some real nice rock catchers.

Which brings us to the 85 ramcharger, while I was going to look at the 92 I saw the 85 parked behind a barn.  So I though it wouldn't hurt stop to ask and see what the deal is.  The owner was a 20ish something and he told me the truck would not smog but it ran and moved, once I brought him back down to reality the price was very good so the next day I went and picked it up.  I know most of you are asking why by two ramchargers?  Its was so straight and rust free and complete I couldn’t let it get scrapped/parted out.  And worst case I have a spare body now.  I could always convert it to CTD!   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 09, 2018, 08:58:02 PM
Wow.  Phil that seems like some good scores!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 09, 2018, 09:53:53 PM
I don't know if its a good thing or not!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on July 10, 2018, 10:23:59 AM
I wish I had pics of my Ramcharger, was so cool

But a 360 gasser, but with head work, cam, headers, 3.91's and a strange old Rancho triple shock setup on the front... Blue it was, I think about the same color as your 85 score.

Between it and the K5 Blazer I had, not sure which I'd call my favorite...??
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on July 10, 2018, 10:29:47 AM
I haven't seen a ramcharger that straight in a while. The few in town look like they've been rockcrawling their entire lives.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 10, 2018, 01:32:23 PM
I haven't seen a ramcharger that straight in a while. The few in town look like they've been rockcrawling their entire lives.

Yep, that's all the pretty much all that's left out there, or is its straight/clean and running/driving and  they want like 10K+.  These trucks are real pigs in stock form the RC I mean, the 03 with the Hemi runs OK.  The 92 was on Craig's list for a long time then it disappeared, I kept the guys number and he still had it.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on July 10, 2018, 01:47:40 PM
couple pictures on the trailer the day I brought them home, I need a better trailer I know!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on July 10, 2018, 01:53:35 PM
fixed the pics for you
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on July 10, 2018, 02:08:55 PM
Glad you found some good bones for a rebuild.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 05, 2018, 05:06:18 PM
I been going thru the 2003 to that I would have some confidence that it will be reliable enough to drive. So far I have accomplished the following and other than the Tach everything else works as required. 

I had to replace the exhaust manifold gaskets only one side was leaking but both sides had missing studs. I thought it was going to be a bigger job than it turned out being all I was only able to get 3ea bolts loose on each side, I used the torch to cut the heads off and the ones where the bolts were missing I thought the bolt would be broken off in the head.  I was happy to be lucky than good this time it was amazing all the bolt heads I cut off the bolt almost screwed off with my fingers and the ones that I though were broke were completely missing form the head. I just ran a tap in every hole and all were good.

I knew one motor mount was bad when I bought the truck, what I did not know was when the mount fails it will let the Exhaust manifold contact the frame of the truck, in my case it actually cracked the manifold, I had already bought a new manifold because I figured it would be warped anyway as you can see from the picture the mount had failed some time ago.       

1.  Full fluids change
2.  Belt, hoses, plugs, filters, tstat
3.  Front Diff locking tab
4.  Both motor mounts
5.  Passenger side exhaust manifold
6.  Rear pads and Adjust parking brake
7.  Door lock actuator and rewire the door harness(crappy Dodge wire)

So I have put about 2K miles on the ram and looks like no major issues so far, this truck dose not drip on drop of oil and that is pretty impressive for a truck with 300K, now that I have a fresh oil change I will see how bad the oil consumption will be

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 05, 2018, 05:15:27 PM
I been going thru the 2003 to that I would have some confidence that it will be reliable enough to drive. So far I have accomplished the following and other than the Tach everything else works as required. 

I had to replace the exhaust manifold gaskets only one side was leaking but both sides had missing studs. I thought it was going to be a bigger job than it turned out being all I was only able to get 3ea bolts loose on each side, I used the torch to cut the heads off and the ones where the bolts were missing I thought the bolt would be broken off in the head.  I was happy to be lucky than good this time it was amazing all the bolt heads I cut off the bolt almost screwed off with my fingers and the ones that I though were broke were completely missing form the head. I just ran a tap in every hole and all were good.

I knew one motor mount was bad when I bought the truck, what I did not know was when the mount fails it will let the Exhaust manifold contact the frame of the truck, in my case it actually cracked the manifold, I had already bought a new manifold because I figured it would be warped anyway as you can see from the picture the mount had failed some time ago.       

1.  Full fluids change
2.  Belt, hoses, plugs, filters, tstat
3.  Front Diff locking tab
4.  Both motor mounts
5.  Passenger side exhaust manifold
6.  Rear pads and Adjust parking brake
7.  Door lock actuator and rewire the door harness(crappy Dodge wire)

So I have put about 2K miles on the ram and looks like no major issues so far, this truck dose not drip on drop of oil and that is pretty impressive for a truck with 300K, now that I have a fresh oil change I will see how bad the oil consumption will be
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on August 05, 2018, 06:13:52 PM
Looks like that manifold was probably glowing a couple times in it's life. She might be running a little lean.

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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 06, 2018, 02:31:50 PM
Yea the O2 sensors needed changed, right now it says everything is good ill give it some time to relearn and check it again. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 13, 2018, 10:24:13 AM
Picked this up today, need to clean it up and inspect and inventory all the hardware.

Only reason I got this kit was the bearings are a little loose on the 2003 Ram I picked up, so a friend of mine removed this from his 2005 and I got a really good deal on it.  Only reason he removed it was he is getting up in years and he didn't like getting out of the truck to lock the hubs.

  The AAM unit bearing design has never given me an issue but for the price I thought I will give this a try to see if there is any real advantage. 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 13, 2018, 10:51:48 AM
I don’t like locking hubs and I’m not quite up in years.  Nice score


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 13, 2018, 12:06:10 PM
I don’t like locking hubs and I’m not quite up in years.  Nice score


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This is called lazy or primaddona!  Take your pick!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on August 13, 2018, 12:53:02 PM
Who unlocks hubs? Only reason I use locking hubs is if I bust a front axle  :grin:

But yah nice score....
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 13, 2018, 12:58:54 PM
This is what I told my friend, just keep them locked all winter and then unlock in the summer.  His mind was made up so I let it go and it worked out real well for me!!

It will be cool to have the option of 2WD low range now.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on August 13, 2018, 01:25:14 PM
Our recent round trip 2500 mile Colorado vacation/wheeling/delivery trip I just realized I got 14mpg with the front hubs locked the entire trip LoL I seriously never unlock them day/day, I spend too much time off pavement.

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 13, 2018, 05:48:44 PM
Surprised you’re not running spools front and back, Norm


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: OldKooT on August 14, 2018, 01:03:12 AM
TRN.... I honestly don't mind a rear spool. Prefer them in some applications.  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: rpar86 on August 14, 2018, 03:02:34 AM
Spools? i.e. wheel with no tire?


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on August 14, 2018, 09:01:42 AM
Spools? i.e. wheel with no tire?


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In Norm's case, sorta...

Norm is old school

Perferes to whittle his wheels out of flat stones

But he does cut in some nice raised letters ;-))
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on August 14, 2018, 09:53:22 AM
Ryan, not sure if the question was serious, so forgive me if I’m too dense to pick up on subtlety. 

A solid one piece third member that mechanically fixes the axles.  100% direct drive on both shafts. Zero slippage. Maximum torque and maximum tire wear....


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on August 14, 2018, 10:12:09 AM
Ryan, not sure if the question was serious, so forgive me if I’m too dense to pick up on subtlety. 

A solid one piece third member that mechanically fixes the axles.  100% direct drive on both shafts. Zero slippage. Maximum torque and maximum tire wear....


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Not that those grizzly lockers are easy on tires, I can hear the jk begging for mercy every time I drive it now.....
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on August 14, 2018, 11:02:32 AM
welcome to the family :grin:
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 14, 2018, 11:53:03 AM
Tate, I sent you an email let me know what you can do please.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: rpar86 on August 14, 2018, 02:03:09 PM
Ryan, not sure if the question was serious, so forgive me if I’m too dense to pick up on subtlety. 

A solid one piece third member that mechanically fixes the axles.  100% direct drive on both shafts. Zero slippage. Maximum torque and maximum tire wear....


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Question was serious lol. Didn’t know what was meant by ‘spool’... I was thinking a bare rim since it kind of resembles a spool (thread, wire, etc...)

Looked it up and now I see that it is just a simple traction locker/diff replacement.


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on August 14, 2018, 03:06:32 PM
yep they are good for tearing up tires and breaking axles!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on August 14, 2018, 04:40:11 PM
Spools have their place
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on August 14, 2018, 06:05:50 PM
Tate, I sent you an email let me know what you can do please.

I got you.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 03, 2018, 07:59:52 PM
Ok not much to report on the 2003 ram, truck is running well and the only thing that does not work correctly is the Tach.

I will say this that I will never buy a Gas powered truck again new or used, this this is a total gas hog! 10-11 MPG is the average right now, now given I go faster than the average person but its still a total gas hog.  That and the fact its a Hemi head you have to rev it to make power and its has 3.73 gears. 

I am starting the rebuild of the Cummins this weekend that will eventually go in my Ramcharger.  Really miss the versatility of the Ramcharger.     
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 15, 2018, 11:17:47 AM
Started the assembly!  More to come
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 15, 2018, 11:22:18 AM
Tease!


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 15, 2018, 02:09:23 PM
That is way to clean, slap some parts and oil in there.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 15, 2018, 03:14:29 PM
I did pictures are coming, so far I got the crank, cam, oil pump.  This Weekend I will hopefully get the rods and pistons, head, rockers on/in .

There seems to be some interesting differences when following the Dodge Service manual VS the Cummings manual, I will explain soon. 

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 16, 2018, 11:16:41 AM
OK just a refresher this Cummins was the cam snap motor, when I say cam snap one of the gearcase bolts fell into the gears and the cam is the weak link so that broke.  One thing that also happened was the crank gear sheared the alignment pin as the gear spun on the crank nose.  It was a shame as this engine was in very good shape. 

So I bought a new crank gear just out of caution, I also had the crank mag checked.

 So this is where it gets interesting, I have the FSM for the Dodge but I also have the Manual for Cummins, the Dodge FSM tell you to heat the gear to 250F for 45min and the Cummins manual says to go to 350F for 45min  both manuals say not to exceed two hours of heat time and to have the gear fully installed in 30sec once removed from the oven.

I have a nice little oven I use for Ceokote and other things it works really well, So I baked the gear to 350F per Cummins, you still have to use a driver(hammer) to install the gear even with it being heated.     

More story/pictures to come!   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 16, 2018, 01:13:52 PM
Nice oven for many things.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 18, 2018, 01:44:38 PM
Ok the next step is crank install, Cummins uses oil jets to keep the pistons cool and I installed new ones.  Next the bearings go in #6 is the thrust bearing. Install the top half in the bearing in the caps and torque everything down.

Couple notes, Dodge tells you to final torque the bolts to 129ftlbs, BUT Cummins tells you to go to 66ftlbs +90degree I didn't verify but I would assume its pretty close to the same value.

I need to get back into the gym more, this crank weights 130lbs there was a time that I could pick this up and gently set it down in the block, I had to use the engine hoist, Im pretty disappointed with myself! 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 18, 2018, 05:00:33 PM
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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on October 18, 2018, 05:28:56 PM
Where do those squirters go Phil? I did crank and bearings in one a few years ago but don't remember seeing them.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: stlaser on October 18, 2018, 06:13:35 PM
Very nice, as Ken requested more details. I’m not familiar with those motors so trying to learn thru you a bit here.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 18, 2018, 07:32:46 PM
Where do those squirters go Phil? I did crank and bearings in one a few years ago but don't remember seeing them.

Ken that explains why that engine failed!  if they are plugged they will shorten the life of that cylinder!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 18, 2018, 07:57:43 PM
Wondered where they went. So constant oil from the mains.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 19, 2018, 06:13:01 AM
Phil can you explain more on those inserts, their purpose, and where that oil goes?


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on October 19, 2018, 10:31:39 AM
Definitely important Phil but in the one I did, the trans input shaft broke, forced the TC forward and took out the thrust bearing.
Now that you gave me a visual, I remember. Thanks
It shoots oil at an angle, to the side, and sprays oil on the cylinder/piston for cooling Tex. Most engines rely on oil splashing/squirting from connecting rods.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 19, 2018, 12:15:58 PM
I was messing with you Ken, if you ever do a bottom end of a Cummins then you should replace these jets.

 TRN the orifice of the jet is about .030, engine oil pressure squirts cool (180 degree ish) oil on the bottom of the piston to remove the heat of boost/combustion and as Ken said it also lubricates the cylinder wall, piston, pin of each cylinder, its one reason why these engines last so long.

IMO all engines should have this type of setup even most of the Jap engines out there has these feature,  its VERY rare on a USA designed engine.   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 19, 2018, 12:36:11 PM
Duramaxs have, but are long bolt in things.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 19, 2018, 12:41:29 PM
Jr what company did GM co-develop the Duramax with?????????????????
 
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: EL TATE on October 19, 2018, 01:25:52 PM
Isuz... woah!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on October 19, 2018, 05:31:49 PM
Isuzu
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: KensAuto on October 19, 2018, 06:00:16 PM
lol
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: TexasRedNeck on October 19, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
That’s ok kid. I can’t say chebboway


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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 21, 2018, 12:02:55 AM
So they used isuzu tech, if it works, it work.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on October 21, 2018, 12:16:32 AM
My point was JR it seems the Japanese incorporated this feature into the mainstream on most of their engine designs.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Flyin6 on October 21, 2018, 05:54:52 PM
My Excavator has a big Isuzu 6 cyl diesel engine with no emissions stuff at all. It is very similiar to the Cummins design. That motor is by far the smoothest, quietest, and just well put together diesel that I own. Heck thinking about it I own quite a few, what 7 of them currently...

Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on October 21, 2018, 09:27:08 PM
My point was JR it seems the Japanese incorporated this feature into the mainstream on most of their engine designs.

Oh, I knew where you were going. If a mouse trap works, speaking of, Don??
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 17, 2018, 12:01:34 PM
Ok back to building, or in my case one step forward and two back.

So I found some time to continue the reassembly of the Cummins.  When I was inspecting the #1 rod I noticed that the rod bushing had more visual wear than the other rod from this engine.  So I got a reman rod from Cummins.  The new rods come with and updated design, from the pictures you can see the difference in the bushing groove.  All this being said the wear I am seeing most likely will not have any affect and it measured within spec but we all know how that story ends.

Next you can see my new Brazilian made Cummins pistons, as you can see the top groove has the steel enforcement, the ring gaps should be 120 degrees apart once assembled on the pistons.  The Cummins design also is a floating piston pin design and is held in place with snap rings.

Assembly is the same as any piston engine, I always submerge the piston with rings installed in a bowl of fresh oil before I install the piston/rod assembly in the block.
All was going well as you can see from the pictures.   
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 17, 2018, 12:13:40 PM
Pictures are always good.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 17, 2018, 12:17:05 PM
So things are moving right along, laid the head gasket in place, set the new fresh cylinder head on the block drop the push rods in and install the rocker pedestals.

I bought new head bolts from the same people I got the Cummins overhaul kit from. I was concerned when I got them that they were not in a Cummins box, when I asked the company told me that they did that(removed from box) to save on shipping cost.  They were marked the same as my old units so I gave them the benefit of the doubt.  So all is going to plan, following the Dodge torque spec per the FSM, 33, 66, 89ftlbs. THEN you are supposed to go +90 degrees.
 
As you can see from the picture one unit did not like the +90, SO now I suspect all of these bolts.  Back off all the bolts, remove the head.  Luckily the broken portion screwed out with my fingers so I didn’t have to drill.   

I will be making a trip to my local Cummins dealer for new head bolts and head gasket.  but life goes on!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 17, 2018, 12:17:47 PM
Pictures are always good.

Pictures are posted but someone has to approve!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 17, 2018, 12:23:06 PM
I see them all, no problem.

I don't like torque to yield crap. You would figure with all the 6BTs out there and the builds a good aftermarket set should be available. Studs are OK, but you have to machine for fit!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on December 17, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
fixed it for you phil
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on December 17, 2018, 12:38:00 PM
you should also be able to receive PM's as well now.  my apologies if you have not been able to in the past.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 17, 2018, 12:44:56 PM
I am used to being treated like a Mushroom, but thank you!
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 17, 2018, 01:04:52 PM
I see them all, no problem.

I don't like torque to yield crap. You would figure with all the 6BTs out there and the builds a good aftermarket set should be available. Studs are OK, but you have to machine for fit!

Neither do I but up until this point I have never had an issue with yield to break.  I don't have a problem with studs other than the cost and the added machining that is required and for this build is not needed.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on December 25, 2018, 12:07:23 PM
Since Don started talking about head gaskets and since my yield to brake head bolts were not as advertised I had to get a new head gasket.  So thought I would do some comparison, Cummins, Felpro, Mahle. These are the main ones that you can get fairly easy.

1.  Cummins(Made in China) P/N 3283335 price with tax $170
2.  Felpro(Made in China) P/N 9313PT improved design Amazon delivered to my door  $54
3.  Mahle (Made in Mexico) P/N 4068C   Rockauto closeout sale.  $32

After doing a side by side comparison this is what I see externally, Felpro and the Cummins units are identical except for Cummins applies the orange silicone in one area Felpro dose not, even the base material as the same numbering and both are clearly stamped Made In China in the same exact place.  Physical weight is the same also.  Notice the G4194 number this number is on both the Cummins and Felpro units the base material.

The Mahle unit is the same as the Felpro as far as the silcone beads BUT the Mahle gasket is twice as heavy(weight) as the Cummins/Felpro design, I plan on disecting each one of these designs and see how they are made/assembled, but that will be when I have nothing better to do.

So decided to go with the Felpro and I applied Aviation form a Gasket to the areas that Cummins applied it on their unit that Felpro did not, everything is back together now and I will be returning my China made Cummins head gasket. I used USA made Cummins headbolts and they torqued right up like they were supposed to.

Last picture is the only place that Cummins applies the silicone (Headbolt hole edge) the Felpro dose not, I applied the Gasket sealer in this area on the Felpro unit I used.   

 Going to send out my injection pump for go fast rebuild and upgrade, I will also be ordering new Turbo, Injectors.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on December 25, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
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Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on January 31, 2019, 04:39:43 PM
front barring tool for the cummins, this bolts on with the harmonic balancer and stays on, now you can turn the engine over with a 1/2 ratchet and not 5ft of extensions.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: Nate on January 31, 2019, 09:00:36 PM
did you buy that phil or make it?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on February 15, 2019, 08:18:28 PM
Nate, this is a store bought unit as i dont have time to make parts right now, very soon I will be able to do things like this.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wyorunner on February 15, 2019, 10:59:39 PM
Nate, this is a store bought unit as i dont have time to make parts right now, very soon I will be able to do things like this.

Care to share where?
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on February 16, 2019, 12:42:48 PM
Of course, Fleece performance, a little more than the factory barring tool but it nice if you are doing work under the truck.  it looks good and the ratchet dose fit I have not installed yet.

https://fleeceperformance.com/cummins-crankshaft-barring-tool.html
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on February 16, 2019, 04:45:49 PM
Cool part, but $74.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: wilsonphil on February 25, 2019, 07:16:26 PM
The long block is 100% painted, now all the small stuff, Exh manifold, turbo, IP, lines, injectors, vacuum pump.
Title: Re: Ramcharger Build
Post by: JR on February 25, 2019, 07:54:09 PM
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