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VEHICLES, CAMPERS, and BOATS => Build Threads => Topic started by: Nate on February 22, 2015, 11:23:02 AM

Title: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 22, 2015, 11:23:02 AM
here is a teaser for now, I just woke up and need some caffeine and breakfast.  once I get around this morning I will get some more pictures.

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Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: JR on February 22, 2015, 12:29:15 PM
Is that a K20? Looks like a dana 44 up front like my old 77.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Flyin6 on February 22, 2015, 02:59:41 PM
What are your and Miss Tracy's plans for the truck?
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: KensAuto on February 22, 2015, 04:18:21 PM
Good for you guys, glad you were able to find a way to drag it home....and wow, what a nice, and very long, trailer!
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Flyin6 on February 22, 2015, 04:25:53 PM
Everything in Texas is bigger, apparently even the trailers!
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Dawg25385 on February 22, 2015, 05:23:53 PM
Golly that is a long trailer!

I'm excited to see what you have planned for this! I've always loved the chev square bodies.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Dustoff35 on February 22, 2015, 07:21:08 PM
^^Agree.   What are the plans?
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: JR on February 22, 2015, 08:51:37 PM
I guess the caffeine kicked in and he is hard at work.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 22, 2015, 09:13:54 PM
ok folks, calm down a little.  the caffine did kick in and removed all of the compacted class I that I had stuck in the system yesterday and I was able to do a little something today.  I have 85 pictures to upload  and I will get them posted.  so give me a few and Ill get to work.

that trailer was a 20' with a 4' dove tail, so 24' all together.  it was made with 8" "C" channel steel and had 2x 7k axels with electric breaks on each wheel.  tracey tried to give me crap for backing it on the trailer, but when I explained to her that a majority of the weight needed to be over the axels to ensure we had a smooth 4hr ride home, she said ok and she understood (she was a 18 wheel truck driver for a while, so she does understand a little bit of loading cargo).  I will say that that trailer pulled so smoothly, that when I was doing 75mph I had to constantly look to ensure that it was still there.   there was so weight distro bars or anything special.

now if somebody would like to donate $4k to me for purchase of that trailer, then I would be glad to accept it and use it to its full advantage.

now give me a few and let me post a few pics for you all to see this gem that tracey has gotten.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 22, 2015, 10:27:24 PM
none of these are in order so.

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Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 22, 2015, 10:34:44 PM
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Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 22, 2015, 10:43:27 PM
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Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 22, 2015, 10:50:55 PM
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Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 22, 2015, 11:30:32 PM
so hopefully all of these pictures are showing up for you guys and gals.  if not, blame don for whatever he messed with this afternoon on the site.  lol

so this is what I know about this truck.  it is a 78, long bed, 4x4 camper special.  according to the build codes, it came with a 350 4 bolt main, and had commifornia emissions on it as well.  It also came with dual tanks which I would guess to be about 20-25 gal a piece.  I will call the stealership tomorrow and give them the vin number and see if they can print me the actual build sheet. 

it looks as though it has the NP205 x-case and a TB350 transmission.  I am not sure about the axels yet as everything needs to be pressure washed (as you can see from the pictures).  once I get everything cleaned, i will need assistance in identifying what axels are in it.  All in all this truck does not appear to have any leaks, but time will tell on that. 

there are 3 spots of concern on the body.  one spot is on the rear of the front fender which is showing signs of rust which is causing the paint to bubble a little, a couple of areas on the bottom side of the drivers door and the wife was showing me that the bottom rear corner of the driver side cab there may be some bondo there because the magnet will not stick and you can see some waves as well.

the maroon color is not the original color and looks to have been sprayed over the original paint.  who ever did the paint just did the exterior and did not go inside at all (as you can see on the doors and in the cab and bed.

the dash is completely gone and needs a complete replacement, as well as all of the gauges need replacing because they are actually falling apart from the inside out.  the wiring is a bit of a mess but does not look too bad to straighten up. 

the A/C was completely removed, so that will be a good chunk of $$$$ to get the parts replaced and updated.

the ignition lock cylinder is missing the retaining screw and I will have to either go to the junk yard or just order a new one and get that fixed.  there has also been a kill switch that was MacGyvered in there and will either have to be repaired or removed. 

I could go on and on about the little crap that is wrong, but overall tracey got one heck of a deal on a truck that is 36 years old and has basically minor issues.

it will get all of the fluids changed and upgraded as well as all of the steering and brake components and be used as her daily driver while time and money allow for restoration.  she really wants to get out of her kia and drive something she feels safe driving around all of these illegals we have running around here.

what is the plan for this vehicle?  truthfully I am still working with her on that.  she seems to be leaning pretty close to stock, with upgrades to stuff that will improve the overall durability, reliability and longevity.  she has basically stated that she wants this to be around for a good 20-30 years (she is aware that there will be maintenance that has to be done to it to maintain it to that standard).  we are still working on the color scheme and some of the major components like engine and drive train in regards to the direction we want to go, so it will stay gas for now.





Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: JR on February 23, 2015, 01:36:11 AM
That is a Dana 44 front and a turbo 350 trans.

Non Ca legal headers (no air tubes) but it would be cat free.

20 gallon tanks, the transfer valves always go bad.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: cudakidd53 on February 23, 2015, 06:56:07 AM
Very nice truck for the age and price!

Around here, there are several of those along the roadside, you just have to pick up all the microscopic pieces and put them in the correct molecular locations and you have one!
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 07:46:05 AM
JR, sure that is a D44?

Looks like a ball joint 10 bolt, but I have to admit I am not sure. 10 bolts on the front cover I think...

NP205, concur

Reminds me of SquareD when I found it...And we know where that went...

So, Nate, just going to change the fluids and freshen it up  ;)
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 23, 2015, 08:45:49 AM
don, if I had the shop space and the tools you have I would do a complete restore.  but little by little it will get returned to glory.  are all of the pictures showing up or no?
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: coopers grammy on February 23, 2015, 09:20:20 AM
Aesthetically I would love to bring is back to 1978. Engine, Transmission, Rear end and so on would like to put the best we can in it. Would LOVE this to be my daily drive. For her being 36 years old she quit impressive I'm in love  ;D
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: KensAuto on February 23, 2015, 09:39:56 AM
The rear is definitely a 14 bolt. I have yet to break mine in 29 years even after burning through 3 performance clutches and about 7 sets of 36" tires!....and I'm with JR, that should be a 44 up front, in '78...but the pic won't load for me.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 10:22:34 AM
Well this will be fun

Square Chevys along with the high-boy Fords and the old Dodges are great trucks. We need a square Chevy resto going on here so we can learn all about these great trucks as well.

Let me know how I can help!
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 23, 2015, 10:31:31 AM
If the pics are having issues loading, I will repost them later this evening.

who has the high boy ford?
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: KensAuto on February 23, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
Got the pics to work...it was my end I think.
The front is definitely a 44. It doesn't have the ears at the bottom like a 10 bolt. That lower right side 45* "gusset" will have a 44 with some other numbers cast in to it.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 23, 2015, 11:41:44 AM
good deal, once i get it cleaned up I will take a look and see what I can find.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 23, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
so, one of the first things I was trying to fix was the ignition cylinder lock (where the key goes into).  the entire assembly can be taken out and put back in with absolutely nothing preventing it.  I got the top part of the column taken apart hoping to find that the retention screw was the only thing missing.  well upon further inspection, I have come to find out that 78 was one of the last years that the cylinder locks were held in by a spring type clip and not a retention screw.  also upon further inspection, I have come to see that whoever was the genius that tried to replace it before broke the steering column where the cylinder lock goes into and held in place. 

now I either get to learn how to rebuild a steering column (which I have no idea how to do) or purchase a new one or get one from a junk yard.  here is a picture of the broken steering column piece.

 
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Dustoff35 on February 23, 2015, 12:00:09 PM
...are all of the pictures showing up or no?

Holy-picture-packed-post! 

Yes, they are showing up just fine.  Nice find, looks to be pretty solid, minimal rust.  Another good old southwest truck.   
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: stlaser on February 23, 2015, 12:38:57 PM
Nate, nice find. T-case is NP203 which is highly common in the 3/4 tons. I parted out many of those trucks for the running gears here locally. The NP203 is chain driven versus the NP205 which is gear to gear. Those chains can stretch fyi and are problematic.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Flyin6 on February 23, 2015, 01:43:17 PM
203!!! My bad, looked like a 205, judging from the cover and output...looked a lot like mine on my 205.

That 203 is a full time case which can be converted to part time, I want to say that was a fairly common mod back in the day. Gas mileage on that truck is not good. Buddy of mine had one and it stayed in around 11mpg, so making that 203 part time and adding locking hubs might become a priority.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: KensAuto on February 23, 2015, 01:44:00 PM
...and on the tumblers, the retainer is actually part of the tumbler/switch. it is a "push button" design. Just buy a new one and slap it in. You will see what I mean, it has a flat button that only depresses when the key is turned to on. Looks like they busted out some of the hole, but shouldn't matter.
The spring steel thingy that goes in the rectangular hole is for the key buzzer....just leave it out.
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: EL TATE on February 23, 2015, 05:23:55 PM
D44 confirmed. 10 bolt 8.5 corp. had completely round circumference on the cover. d44 is more like the deformed stop sign you see there. both were balljoint from 77-81 and 3/4 ton only option was d44 till '82. Looks like a really nice clean slate!
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: stlaser on February 23, 2015, 07:55:23 PM
Also worth noting, Dana on all their housing marked them for what model they were in the center chunk casting. Most times especially on older axles such as this front unit you may need the assistance of a pocket knife (& for all you city slickers out there an old sos pad will work as well) to scrape the gunk off to reveal the inset cast number. It will be located cover side in the gusset below where the axle tube is pressed in. If memory serves me correctly it is right side as you face cover. So this particular axle will have a number "44" cast into it.

D44 confirmed. 10 bolt 8.5 corp. had completely round circumference on the cover. d44 is more like the deformed stop sign you see there. both were balljoint from 77-81 and 3/4 ton only option was d44 till '82. Looks like a really nice clean slate!
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: KensAuto on February 23, 2015, 08:49:39 PM
Also worth noting, Dana on all their housing marked them for what model they were in the center chunk casting. Most times especially on older axles such as this front unit you may need the assistance of a pocket knife (& for all you city slickers out there an old sos pad will work as well) to scrape the gunk off to reveal the inset cast number. It will be located cover side in the gusset below where the axle tube is pressed in. If memory serves me correctly it is right side as you face cover. So this particular axle will have a number "44" cast into it.


Hmm, where have I read that before? :pokingShawn
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: stlaser on February 23, 2015, 09:32:17 PM
Sorry, have posted that on numerous threads. Guess I forgot who I told! But glad to see you were listening none the less!!! ;)
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: KensAuto on February 23, 2015, 09:48:57 PM
I've probably learned a few things from you, but that one I already had under my belt!
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 24, 2015, 10:01:54 AM
what are some suggestions for a new thread name for this thread?  lets hear them.

this weekend if I can find a place to get the truck up in the air a little, I am going to spend quite a bit of time with the pressure washer underneath it.  living in the city limits of a city that places water restrictions on folks, I have to find a place away from nosey cry baby neighbors that like to start drama to make this happen.  So once everything has been given a good cleaning, I will be able to get a better idea of what it is that I am dealing with.

thank you all for the information on the front axle as well as the x-case.  I was actually under the impression that it was a 205, but after shawn's pointed that out I did some research and better educated myself.  so again, thank you shawn.

I do know this, shawn will be getting an order from me for some of those stout diff covers as well as the disk brake conversion kits he has talked about for the rear axle.

for those that have classic GM vehicles, I found this site https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/ to be very very informational and helpful.  some other information that I got yesterday was to the GM Archives.  their number is 734-462-5543 ext:163 / 734-261-5086 they can provide build sheets and original dealer/factory information on GM vehicles.

so here are the 3 things that happened yesterday.  1. I found a new hood at the junk yard in perfect condition for $75 and 2. I found a guy here in town that will repair/replace and rebuild the steering column for $150.  and 3. I have come to realize that I have to actually sit my happy butt down and make a check sheet of everything that needs to be worked on, because otherwise tracey and I will be completely overwhelmed.



Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: BobbyB on February 24, 2015, 01:32:20 PM
1. what are some suggestions for a new thread name for this thread?  lets hear them.

2. actually sit my happy butt down and make a check sheet of everything that needs to be worked on, because otherwise tracey and I will be completely overwhelmed.

1. Let Tracey name it, it's her's right? Lol

2. Just buy boxes of parts and stack them in front of a window you like to look out at, it works for Chief, and look how smoothly his builds go... on second thought...
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Flyin6 on February 24, 2015, 01:36:41 PM
^^^ Yea, that's a good technique!
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Flyin6 on February 24, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
OK, project names

Old School
Back to basics
Roots
Back from the grave
Tracey's truck build
Tracey's truck
Survivor Chev
Project long haul
Chevy Resto
Build on a budget
Budget build
Resurrection
Chevy Reset
El Paso Chevy
Soldier's toy
Mamma's build
Mommas toy
Frame-up
Bumper to bumper Chevy
Back from the dead
Rust-Conversion
Money pit
gasser Chevy
Tracey's survival truck
"Round-2"
"Round-2-it"
Lives again
Dream truck
Heck, I could go on forever, but I have to get out there and coat those wheel pans...
^^That last one is not a name ;)
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: EL TATE on February 24, 2015, 02:08:09 PM
I like the "El Paso K20" or "K20 Widower Maker"
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: JR on February 24, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Widower Maker
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: Nate on February 24, 2015, 03:41:58 PM
so the new hood is acquired and new hood hinges, hinge hardware and battery tray has been ordered from LMC truck.


Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: coopers grammy on February 24, 2015, 04:06:08 PM
Hey love I got it Miss daisy's resto
Title: Re: tracey's 78 Chevy 4x4 3/4 ton long bed
Post by: stlaser on February 24, 2015, 04:24:30 PM
Shawn as of Jan 1st sold GLO, I am still helping with the transition with the new ownership. When you get ready for that stuff shoot me a pm & I'll see what I can get new owners to do since you'll be advertising their stuff on this thread.


what are some suggestions for a new thread name for this thread?  lets hear them.

this weekend if I can find a place to get the truck up in the air a little, I am going to spend quite a bit of time with the pressure washer underneath it.  living in the city limits of a city that places water restrictions on folks, I have to find a place away from nosey cry baby neighbors that like to start drama to make this happen.  So once everything has been given a good cleaning, I will be able to get a better idea of what it is that I am dealing with.

thank you all for the information on the front axle as well as the x-case.  I was actually under the impression that it was a 205, but after shawn's pointed that out I did some research and better educated myself.  so again, thank you shawn.

I do know this, shawn will be getting an order from me for some of those stout diff covers as well as the disk brake conversion kits he has talked about for the rear axle.

for those that have classic GM vehicles, I found this site https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/ to be very very informational and helpful.  some other information that I got yesterday was to the GM Archives.  their number is 734-462-5543 ext:163 / 734-261-5086 they can provide build sheets and original dealer/factory information on GM vehicles.

so here are the 3 things that happened yesterday.  1. I found a new hood at the junk yard in perfect condition for $75 and 2. I found a guy here in town that will repair/replace and rebuild the steering column for $150.  and 3. I have come to realize that I have to actually sit my happy butt down and make a check sheet of everything that needs to be worked on, because otherwise tracey and I will be completely overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 24, 2015, 05:25:36 PM
all right folks, Tracey has said that the new name for this thread is "Miss Daisy's Resto".   
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on February 24, 2015, 05:30:53 PM
M D R it is...!

CM
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 24, 2015, 06:02:43 PM
here is a better pic of the rear diff cover.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on February 24, 2015, 07:18:55 PM
At least there is no question it is an 10.5in 14bt FF.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dustoff35 on February 27, 2015, 07:10:13 AM
I have come to realize that I have to actually sit my happy butt down and make a check sheet of everything that needs to be worked on, because otherwise tracey and I will be completely overwhelmed.

When you power wash it this weekend, you will have a good chance to see what you have. 

Break your checklist down into smaller projects; Front axle, Rear axle, suspension, interior, engine tune-up, trans & transfer case fluid change, etc.

Focus on completing the "little" projects and don't get caught up in the overwhelming challenge of "eating the whole elephant".  Plan the work and work the plan.     
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 27, 2015, 07:48:41 AM
Good process duane, thank you.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dustoff35 on February 27, 2015, 08:27:56 AM
Does Daisy (or you) plan to drive the truck as you work on it or is it going to be a compete take-down/re-assemble?

I've done vehicles both ways and each process is different.  Its best to decide which path you are going to take early on.   
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 27, 2015, 09:03:38 AM
tracey wants to drive the vehicle while its being worked on, but I will have to go thru all of the steering and the general safety stuff first.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 28, 2015, 06:41:02 PM
so as soon as my pics upload, ill have something to share for the days progress.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 28, 2015, 07:17:47 PM
so last night I had a surprise waiting for me at the front door when I got home from the VFW.

it contained:

hood hinges x 2
hood hinge bolts
hood hinge springs x 2
new battery tray assembly
battery hold down assembly

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on February 28, 2015, 07:19:57 PM
Oh yea!!!!!!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 28, 2015, 07:23:48 PM
so todays objective was to get daisy on a lift outdoors and get her pressure washed underneath so I could see what is going on.  well daisy was having an attitude this morning and didn't want to start.  so the pressure washing was put on hold until another day.  as I started trouble shooting procedures, I determined that whatever moron wired in this here starter solenoid from a 1950's era truck was the issue.  so I went down to the local parts store and got me a new one and got it installed.  after thatshe started right.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 28, 2015, 07:27:51 PM
so after I smoothed daisy's temperament a little I decided to go ahead and install the new battery tray assembly.  you can see why I just chose to replace it instead of trying to make It new again.  it was completely corroded with battery acid and was bent all out of whack.

I apologize, I forgot to take a pic of the new one installed.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 28, 2015, 07:29:11 PM
and that is what was accomplished for the days business.

I will be ordering new seals, bearings, races, and gaskets from tate on Monday.  I currently have fluids for a good fluid change on the axels and engine, I still have to get fluids for the trans and the x-case as well as the radiator.  heck, I might as well get a new thermostat while I am draining the cooling system.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Sammconn on February 28, 2015, 07:50:50 PM
You better be careful Nate. We all know how a fluid change goes...
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on February 28, 2015, 09:03:59 PM
True, but this will be driven while the "fluid change" happens.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 01, 2015, 01:00:40 AM
so what would it take to swap a NP 203 over to a NP 205?  is there a different adapter from trans to x-case?  are the drive shaft yoke ends different?  how different is the shifter placement in the cab?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: BobbyB on March 01, 2015, 10:14:22 AM
Nate, black boots with ACUs? You just gave every CSM within 20 miles of you a myocardial infarction! And they aren't even shined!! The horror. And nice progress on Tracey's truck.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 01, 2015, 10:28:26 AM
Too cold for Mandels!  ;)
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: BobbyB on March 01, 2015, 10:35:32 AM
Too cold for Mandels!  ;)

Never too cold for mandals.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 01, 2015, 10:42:32 AM
Unlike don, this man does not wear mandels.  I wear crock flip flops when not in boots.

And to set the record straight, those were coveralls.  Lol!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 01, 2015, 10:55:47 AM
I think the 205 will slip right in, shifter in the same local, but the 203 is longer iirc....so the driveline might end up short. What's funny is, I told you I was helping someone yesterday. We were cleaning up an old shop...and I moved a 203 and a 205 around. I could've gave you some exact specs!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: BobbyB on March 01, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
Unlike don, this man does not wear mandels.  I wear crock flip flops when not in boots.

And to set the record straight, those were coveralls.  Lol!

Eww crocs.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 01, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
is he wanting to part with that 205?  ill make the drive if its free????
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: stlaser on March 01, 2015, 03:04:56 PM
Nate, I have one mated to an sm465 that is free if you wanna make the drive?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 01, 2015, 03:15:20 PM
No Nate, I tried to get it as a backup for my truck.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 01, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
Lol ken.

I just may heading to wi this summer shawn, so that may be a possibility.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: stlaser on March 01, 2015, 06:55:45 PM
It's sitting in the loft of my mom's barn, just give me a week or two heads up & it's yours.....


Lol ken.

I just may heading to wi this summer shawn, so that may be a possibility.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 01, 2015, 07:46:22 PM
so today, tracey asked me if I she could do something to her truck.  so we went to the auto craft shop and I watched her change the oil and the transmission fluid on her truck.  yes that is correct, she was the one that did the work with observance from me. 

I didn't take many pictures because there were so many folks there and I didn't want to just go and plaster folks faces up all over the internet with out their permission.

I will show proof the next time that she was the one doing the work.  I did however feel a bit better about the transmission fluid change considering that the pan looked like this when I dropped it.  I have a feeling that a transmission rebuild will be happening sometime soon (knock on wood).

 
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dustoff35 on March 02, 2015, 07:38:03 PM
...so we went to the auto craft shop... 

I know that place well, spent many weekends there in the late '80s working on buddies' and my own vehicles.  If its even in the same location...
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 02, 2015, 08:25:04 PM
We don't have anything like that around here. It's probably a good thing, one less form of competition! I swear, there's a better shop/customer ratio here than the school's teacher/student ratio. lol
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 06, 2015, 06:49:06 PM
So I got her up in the air today and gave her a squirt to the undercarriage.  The underside has been coated with somesort of undercoating and it was sprayed on soo thick.  It truly looks as tho somebody either really took care of it or had started on the restoration. 

Ill try to get some pics of it here this weekend.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: cudakidd53 on March 06, 2015, 08:06:31 PM
That sounds like a great discovery, cool for you both!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 08, 2015, 12:14:24 PM
so here are a few pics of the x-case markings and the front axle markings.

I could not find any more markings on the x-case.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 08, 2015, 01:24:51 PM
If you're curious, the transfer case tag should be on the front side, between the input and front output, on the case.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 08, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
yeah I looked there and didn't see anything.  let me go out and start scraping around and see what I can find.

where can I get a gasket for the cover that you see in the last picture?  I know its called the "Front Output Rear Bearing Cover Gasket"  i cant find it in anything other than a whole gasket kit for $50 plus.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 08, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
well I didn't get much time to scrape around on the x-case because I started to install the new hood hinge hardware.

here you can see the new hinges installed.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 08, 2015, 08:41:21 PM
here are the old hood and the new hood before transferring of the hardware.  I did not realize before I started moving hardware and getting the hood installed that the new hood will not work without a little modification.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 08, 2015, 08:43:41 PM
here is the modification that I had to do to get the new hood to work.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 08, 2015, 08:48:33 PM
and here is the new hood installed but not quite matching up. 

as you can see, the back on each side of the hood is sticking up and not laying flush with the lines of the body.  now I loosened both hinges and made sure that they were pushed all the way down in the back, and I also screwed in the hood stop bumpers right under the windshield.  I am thinking that I may have to modify the hinge mounting holes to get it to go down in the back?  can somebody provide a little guidance/education to me on this please?

   
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2015, 08:53:52 PM
Need to lower those hinges a bunch!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Sammconn on March 08, 2015, 08:54:32 PM
I can't exactly remember, back 20 some years ago, I was a you lad with a Trans Am.
The hood was like that when I bought it.

If I'm thinking right, I ended up using the adjusting slots, and put a tilt into the mounting.
So where you went all the way down, I think I was high on one end and low on the other.

But I could be all full of it to and have this backwards... :-\
Like I said, I was 17, and the year was '90.

The good news is that it's an easy experiment.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 08, 2015, 08:59:09 PM
yeah I think I am going to have to pull it all off again and modify those hinge mounting holes?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: stlaser on March 08, 2015, 09:09:45 PM
Replacement parts rarely fit right. If my memory serves me correctly the drivers door replacement fits well but passengers door is a no go on those trucks or at least they were fifteen years ago anyhow. Start modifying.......


yeah I think I am going to have to pull it all off again and modify those hinge mounting holes?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 08, 2015, 10:10:33 PM
yeah I think I am going to have to pull it all off again and modify those hinge mounting holes?
Probably end up elongating the holes at a minimum.

Note the poor fit of the replacement fender on Square D

I'm only going to be able to get it close. I think a perfect fit will not be possible

Chinaman parts...
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on March 09, 2015, 12:26:58 PM
I almost ordered china fenders for my sub, glad I just got the gm from the boneyard
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 09, 2015, 02:40:27 PM
I almost ordered china fenders for my sub, glad I just got the gm from the boneyard

I just got done getting my Dr. Yeng Fender company Dodge look-a-likes to fit. Took some wrenchin, some drillin, some bendin' but Dr Yeng would be proud!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on March 09, 2015, 06:53:12 PM
Concur. there's got to be enough material on the inside of those fenders to slot the holes out. Put your fabrication hat on.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 11, 2015, 07:09:10 PM
lookie what we got today!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 11, 2015, 07:09:58 PM
and
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dawg25385 on March 11, 2015, 07:18:47 PM
Like a kid on Christmas....  ;)
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 15, 2015, 12:56:44 PM
so it seems as though I have a floor safe already installed in this truck????  now I just need to figure out how to get the lock open.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 15, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
That truck been used to smuggle things? ;-((
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dustoff35 on March 15, 2015, 02:32:36 PM
Quite possible in those parts.  When I was stationed down there, vehicle break-ins and thefts were rampant. 
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Bob Smith on March 15, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
That would be nice for traveling through California with their stupid gun laws.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on March 15, 2015, 05:07:53 PM
That would be nice for traveling through California with their stupid gun laws.

Not sure about smuggling, a little to obvious from the outside. A locksmith should have little issue with it. Or just drill the tumbler out since you need a new one with keys anyway.

Heck there are states worse than kali. Even though I have Federal CCW resiprocity in all 50 states they nail people in NY all the time. 

In Kali it is supposed to be out of reach of the driver while operating the vehicle, the rounds most be transported away from the firearm (kinda worthless). Just attach the key to the drivers keys, you can't open while driving.But then again they have to know its there!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 15, 2015, 07:13:47 PM
so we started today off with getting the hood to fit properly.  took everything off and had to elongate the holes/modify the china man hinges.  here you can see a buddy operating his carbide pneumatic grinder to waller out the holes a little.

it took us a few fitting and cutting attempts and we finally got the hood to fit properly.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 15, 2015, 07:21:14 PM
next it was onto the new find, the floor safe.  it messed around with the locking mechanism for a minute or two and realized that the whole thing would turn.  I gave it a quarter turn and gave a pry on the side with a screw driver and she just popped right open.  well needless to say, there may not be enough room in there for my XD .40 but there is definitely enough room for storage of some cash or whatever.  I will have to get in there and get it all cleaned up. 

while messing around with it, I have come to realize that it is made out of 1/4" hardened steel and it is also some kind of a homemade contraption.  all in all I will make it work for its intended purpose.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 15, 2015, 07:33:36 PM
so looking at the bottom of this thing, I will most likely scrape off all of that sealer stuff and try to get it removed.  once its removed, I will seal the underside inside of the cab and get a piece or two of some angle stock and give a tack or two on the outside/underside so that it cant just be removed with out some major struggling.

I have also thought about maybe putting something else in its place.  my buddy that you saw in the other pictures was at one point a custom fabricator and has been having the itch to do some creating with metal.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 15, 2015, 09:48:37 PM
Good job on the hood Nate.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 16, 2015, 06:47:32 AM
Thank you ken
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 16, 2015, 09:24:20 PM
I have an issue that I need assistance on.

my speedometer is bouncing pretty darn good when I am driving down the road (as in not accurate at all).  I took the speedometer cable off the back of the x-case and hooked it to my drill, gave it a little power and it is reading in the cab on the speedometer itself.  it was some what constant and no where near the bounce as when its hooked up.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 16, 2015, 09:28:21 PM
I then took the speedometer holding nut (whatever its called) off, and pulled out the speedometer gear and this is what it all looks like.

as far as I can tell, it was a little dirty where the cable connects to the gear but nothing looked like it was getting chewed up?  I guess the only way I will be able to see what the actual gear looks like in the case is to take it apart, not something I really want to do just yet.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 16, 2015, 09:29:49 PM
can somebody help me out here on whatever it is that I am missing, and maybe point me in the right direction.  is the cable bad?  is the odometer/speedometer gauge bad?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Bob Smith on March 16, 2015, 10:18:19 PM
Is that cable bound up or bent when attached to the transfer case and not so much when you had the drill motor attached to it. Maybe squirt some good light oil in there to help it out.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 16, 2015, 10:35:59 PM
no cable bind, I can spin it freely with my fingers.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 16, 2015, 10:42:47 PM
Nate when you spin the cable does the needle on the speedo move at all?
If not, the cable fell off or the speedo clock-works failed
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 16, 2015, 11:19:46 PM
Those are notorious for that. It may feel fine, but it's probably too dry. Take the cable out (it will only come out from the other end), squeeze some lithium grease in to the cable housing, and slowly work the cable back in, adding as much grease along the way as possible. A benefit to doing it this way is, when you snap the cable back on to the speedo head, it will force a bit of grease into it as well.
fyi...Graphite won't work as well.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on March 17, 2015, 01:48:41 AM
I would say lube it up too. They even make kits for it. All we used to do is pull them out, clean it and the housing, lube it and replace.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 17, 2015, 08:12:07 AM
fyi...Graphite won't work as well.

Hmmm, learned something!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 17, 2015, 03:02:56 PM
ill bet yah this is why the speedometer is bouncing around?!

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 17, 2015, 03:03:45 PM
time to go get a new one and see if it works.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 17, 2015, 05:12:20 PM
Let me guess, next to the exhaust on the left side. I should've thought of that.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 17, 2015, 05:40:49 PM
that would explain the melted area, but I am not really sure how the huge gouges got into the cable above the x-case.

its currently a little moist here at the moment, so no workie until it dries out some.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 17, 2015, 08:08:16 PM
I'm guessing the gouges are just wear patterns, from rubbing something for many years (floorboard, frame, etc).
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: OldKooT on March 17, 2015, 10:42:09 PM
I dig the floor safe.... I might have to rig one up for our truck. I am interested to see if a new cable will fix your speedo. I have one that does something similar with the bouncing...maybe I should take the cable out and have a looksee.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 18, 2015, 03:50:41 PM
well, I now have a working speedometer.

I have also discovered that I have a pile of spilt boo boo for wiring behind the dash bezel.  as well as just about everything broken and will have to replace ALL of it   :'(

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 18, 2015, 04:10:56 PM
I knew your hands were to big! :pokeNate
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 18, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
hey now, these big paws can get into some tiny spaces.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 18, 2015, 07:27:37 PM
Save all that dirt from the instrument cluster to fill in holes in the yard!  :o
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 18, 2015, 07:57:55 PM
heck I just have to wait for a little wind to come along and it will get filled with all of the sand blowing around here.  wouldn't want to contaminate the sand with something from not around here. 
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 19, 2015, 07:12:32 PM
so I have been trying to figure out the wiper switch situation, and here is what is going on.

with the fuse in, the wipers do not shut off, pulled the fuse and they shut off. 

I figured it was the switch, got a new switch and installed.  wipers still do not turn off.

unplugged switch, installed fuse and wipers still worked.

dug a little more and found that there is a wiper switch control module.





Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 19, 2015, 07:13:50 PM
I disconnected the control module, plugged switch directly in and they turned on and off.

can somebody please explain to me what the wiper switch control module does ??? ?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 19, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
I'm guessing interval (delay) mode
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on March 19, 2015, 08:13:54 PM
The wiper control is what gives you delay when full speeds are not wanted. The speeds and stopping are controlled in the wiper motor unit.

Nate, I have a nice dash with 205k miles on it. No tach as my new one has that.

PM me
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 19, 2015, 08:53:41 PM
...dumb post...
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 20, 2015, 11:14:56 PM
Well folks, daisy is on the lift with the rear end torn apart.  Thank you tate for the assist and ill hopefully get the rear finished tomorrow and get some pics up loaded.  I am tired, my dogs are a howlin something fierce, I am gonna get a beverage and take a shower.  Got an early and long day tomorrow.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on March 20, 2015, 11:17:02 PM
Enjoy that beverage and an extra one for me. Look forward to progress
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 07:40:01 PM
looks as though I will have about 3 hours ish tomorrow and the rear should be done.  everything is put back together with new parts and some of the old ones (the durable parts that weren't destroyed) got a really good cleaning in the solvent tank along with use of the 3" die grinder.  I have been left speechless by the incompetence of the P.O.'s and their lack of mechanical knowledge/common sense.

here are some of the things that I have found that were done by the previous owners.

1. the underside was sprayed with rubberized undercoating so thick, that it has runs all over the place and there are some spots that are still actually wet.

2. don't ask me how, but there were parts of the axle (inside of the brake area and the inner portion of the back plate) that were sprayed with rubberized undercoating.

3. there were  literally 4 different size bolts that were holding the rear shock in place.

4. the axle's must have been over heated at some point because there are actually heat stains on the outer flanges of the axle shafts.

5. the outer axle flange had this combination RTV-high dollar reusable seal with the metal in it-with more RTV, and then there was RTV was used on the axle shaft bolts instead of blue lock-tite.

6. the things that got sprayed with the rubberized undercoating were the actual drive line components and not the frame or the underside of the bed or any of the areas that are susceptible to degradation by the elements.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 07:40:31 PM
give me a few and let me get some pics sorted out and ill post some up.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 07:56:39 PM
here are a few pics of tracey doing the work.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 07:59:50 PM
here are a few shots of the brake situation before cleaning and removal.  they were grooved pretty bad and were definitely in need of replacement.  ill have the old drums checked out and see if they can be turned down.  if they can, then I will hang onto them for a replacement set if the future.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 08:08:20 PM
here are a few shots of the inside of the differential when it was first opened up.  it was not that bad, but it did stink pretty bad and was definitely in need of being drained and replace.  I oil was not black and it did not look like it had water contamination.

I talked to our resident differential S.M.E. (subject matter expert) and he informed me that according to the markings, that this was the O.E. differential, that it has 3.73 gearing and that it was the G80 "gov-bomb".

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 08:19:22 PM
now a "note to self"!  or should I say, I was a bone head and had a DEEERRRRRR moment. 

on these old 14 bolt FF axle hubs, all of the bearings, race's and seals go in and come out from the back of the hub. 

I kind of forgot about this and when I knocked out the rear seal, bearing and race, I beat the heck out of the front bearing (going the wrong way) and shattered it and the rollers all over the place.  then when I realized my moron moment, I flipped the hub assembly over and proceeded knock out the front race.  well when it just wouldn't budge, I took a look at things and remembered the split ring that holds the front race into place.

here is a pic of where the split ring sits and the split ring itself.

 
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 21, 2015, 08:21:45 PM
Rutt-Rooo
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 08:23:06 PM
and for all that don't know, the rear hub and brake drum are held together by the lug nut studs that go completely thru both pieces.

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 08:24:13 PM
so, tomorrow I will have a few pics of the new rancho shocks, new fluid going in and everything buttoned up.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dustoff35 on March 21, 2015, 09:13:16 PM
That looks like the limited slip diff in my 14 bolt.  Gov-bomb, eh?  I have the 3.73 ratio also.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 21, 2015, 10:09:06 PM
one other note of importance.  ensure you install the rear bearing before you install the wheel seal.  other wise you will have to purchase another wheel seal to fix your mistake...........
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on March 22, 2015, 01:19:05 AM
I learned of that "clip" also when reading up on what I had or I would have for sure done the same thing!!!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on March 22, 2015, 08:10:52 AM
That made me think of the ratio of my doing things right the first time on SquareD vs the times I "Experimented!"

Probably approaches 1:1
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on March 22, 2015, 07:17:16 PM
today was not a productive day.  as I got everything buttoned back up and ready to bleed the brake system, daisy decided she wanted to have herself a hissy fit.  upon further inspection of her issue, I found that fuel was not getting to the carb.  I pressurized the system and she ran for a min and cut off again. 

well at this point i pushed her outside and put her in the corner until i am ready to deal with changing the mechanical fuel pump. 
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on March 23, 2015, 01:07:45 PM
you've already done the inline and standard fuel filters right?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on March 23, 2015, 08:45:52 PM
Does it have dual tanks Nate? I thought I saw a pic somewhere where it had a valve....if so, the passenger side is default when the switch over system fails somewhere.
I always keep fuel in the right tank just in case. If either tank is empty, and the valve hangs open even the slightest, it will suck air....matter of fact, any cracked hose will allow air before fuel (you probably already know all of this.. Just throwing out some thoughts).
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dustoff35 on April 10, 2015, 08:54:01 AM
Is Daisy still in the corner?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on April 10, 2015, 07:31:51 PM
not in the corner anymore.  just been busy with field training for 2 weeks, into the easter weekend and now I have VFW elections tomorrow morning.  then I should have a little time to tinker.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2015, 07:37:09 PM
not in the corner anymore.  just been busy with field training for 2 weeks, into the easter weekend and now I have VFW elections tomorrow morning.  then I should have a little time to tinker.

The day is fast approaching when you will only go to the field to hunt deer or teach your children something

You will miss the days of Velcro, but not field training! I sure don't!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on April 10, 2015, 07:39:38 PM
very true!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on April 10, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
so here is a question that I need assistance on.

if the fuel gauge is stuck at 1/3 of a tank, regardless of what side tank I am selecting, does that mean that I have a lose of power to the gauge or .......?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on April 10, 2015, 10:38:23 PM
so here is a question that I need assistance on.

if the fuel gauge is stuck at 1/3 of a tank, regardless of what side tank I am selecting, does that mean that I have a lose of power to the gauge or .......?

Most obvious, a mechanically stuck needle due to corrosion, dust, age, vibration and who knows what

Does it read 1/3 all the time? Even when the key is off? If so, bad gage
If it reads the same on both tanks then I would not suspect either float/level indicator in the tank, but something common to both like a faulty ground wire for the gage, or a faulty ribbon cable in the dash cluster. So pull the cluster apart and closely inspect the printed ribbon (the copper foil lines) for breaks and damage. Use a pencil eraser at the contact points or some spray contact cleaner (Brake cleaner is close) on those parts. Lightly blow out the recessed areas in the cluster and clean everything. Next, I'd suspect the switch that switches between tanks. The switch itself, the connections, or the wires. Check for a decent ground. You might drop a tank that is empty and move the float up and down with the key on to see if the gage moves with it as it should.

Beyond that, use C4 packed in those same recessed areas and apply a spark
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on April 11, 2015, 12:26:23 AM
First make sure the 3 (or 4) wire connector on the firewall didn't get knocked loose or isn't corroded, under the hood, near where the throttle cable comes out of the firewall.
The gauge will read last known amount, so being at 1/3 could just mean it had 1/3 when a connection broke ...at the firewall, switch, or cluster/gauge itself, and the other things Don mentioned, like the ribbon.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on April 17, 2015, 03:02:55 AM
Nate, I have an entire dash you can have with a good fuel gauge.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on April 17, 2015, 02:22:21 PM
give me a call this weekend JR
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 30, 2015, 08:09:20 PM
Nate, any updates on the truck build??
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on May 31, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
no new updates on daisy.  currently she is my DD because the duramax is in the shop getting looked at.  I still have to do the front end rebuild when I get the duramax back.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: TexasRedNeck on May 31, 2015, 02:17:06 PM
Whats happening with the DMax???
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on May 31, 2015, 03:27:09 PM
black betty is throwing a p0087 "low fuel rail pressure" code, I changed the 2 hoses by the filter housing, new filter housing (about 2 years old), a race plug. 

because I don't have a tech 2 I cant read the balance rates as well as the actual and demanded fuel pressure. 

I did not do the bottle test after I put the race plug in a year ago to ensure that I didn't knick the gasket. 

and I really want to find out what the actual issue is  before I just go and throw parts at it like a lift pump, etc.





Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on May 31, 2015, 03:33:50 PM
I need to those hoses on mine and check the others. No codes but I keep loosing prime. Already did the head a few weeks back. Pumps right up and runs fine otherwise.

Look at the new CTS module form edge. I think it reads those codes and is bigger than the older ones like I have.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on May 31, 2015, 03:39:12 PM
http://www.alligatorperformance.com/Edge-84130-CTS2-Insight-Monitor-p/bkdq84130.htm
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dawg25385 on May 31, 2015, 03:42:24 PM
Black betty tuned nate? Could be collapsing a hose somewhere between the tank and the filter housing.

The new CTS2 is really sweet btw... of course, it came out like a month after i bought my CTS. But you can pick up the 1st gen CTS pretty cheap now, and people are selling them used for way cheap.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on May 31, 2015, 10:05:01 PM
Nate, I've also had a couple come in with the hoses, going up the left side of the trans to the engine, collapsing.
...but I think you probably did the right thing taking it in.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 10, 2015, 08:40:13 PM
just an update on the duramax,

well its official, I am going to have to shell out $2k and have the cp3 replaced.  the mechanic checked all the hoses and lines from the tank all the way up, found no leaks on or around the filter housing, checked all injectors balance rates and return rates, and finally found that when he commands 100% from the cp3 it drops and is only putting out 5k psi. 

he is gonna do a bottle test tomorrow just to ensure that when I put the race plug in 2 years ago I didn't accidently knock the gasket.  but i have never seen and fuel leaks around the race plug and i do not have any residue build up either. 

so well see what happens.

daisy on the other hand has been driven everyday for the last 2 weeks and she has been doing good, even at highway speeds of 70mph.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dawg25385 on June 10, 2015, 09:13:28 PM
man that stinks. hope it's something simple and not the cp3...

but if you and your mechanic are confident the cp3 has one foot in the grave, get it outta there. you don't want to risk sending any metal shavings or anything to your rails and injectors.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 10, 2015, 09:34:23 PM
yeah he is calling his bosch distributor tomorrow and getting a new factory cp3
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on June 10, 2015, 10:06:34 PM
He's sure it's not a supply problem Nate? Did he try the clear hose test between the filter and the pump? Just throwin something out there.....I mean, a plugged screen in the tank, or an air intrusion, or, or..... would also drop rail pressure.
Or maybe he's more of a dmax expert than myself, which wouldn't take much!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 09:07:47 AM
Nate, How about having your CP3 overhauled at a pump builder? Plenty of them around. I'm guessing $1300 ish, perhaps as low as $1,100. Did you check into that?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 11, 2015, 09:24:20 AM
I am waiting on my mech to call me back with the final price.  from what he was telling me yesterday, was that it would be like $900 for a new bosch unit from a bosch distributor, about $200 for additional parts and about $1k for the labor.  I am not worried that my mech is trying to take me for a ride, he is a prior marine diesel mech, served in the golf war and has actually taken care of me when I had the vane position sensor replaced.  heck, the guy gave me a ride 50 miles one way to my house and refused to take my money when I offered him something to cover the cost of the fuel. 
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 11, 2015, 09:27:53 AM
I am almost tempted to ask him if I can assist so that I can learn a little something about the duramax engines
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 11:00:51 AM
You found a good mech, should probably go with that!

But did you at least check? Might to get a mo-better, higher performin' pump from a shop.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 11, 2015, 11:11:37 AM
i am sure there are better pumps out there, but for the time being, $$$ is dictating what it is that i can get.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dawg25385 on June 11, 2015, 11:42:14 AM
Everything I've read says stay stock unless you're doing a proper engine build...

Danville makes a nice modded pump for 970 after core, but most say it's not worth running a modded pump unless you have big power goals, bigger injectors, and are up for an engine build at some point.

http://www.danvilleperformance.com/modified-lbz-cp3-pump/?page_context=category&faceted_search=0
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on June 11, 2015, 11:52:03 AM
found a remand stocker for $686 Nate. http://www.fordiesels.com/gm-duramax-bosch-cp3-high-pressure-injector-pump-97720662-2001-2004/?gclid=CjwKEAjw4-SrBRDP483GvreDr2ASJAD5sCIuPoc_bv-qPWGYX7hhuaWbxzbqabJMc0b6GoZM6id8uRoCARnw_wcB

Now if only I had found you the right one... thanks Kyle.  :-[
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dawg25385 on June 11, 2015, 11:59:51 AM
Tha'ts for an LB7 Mr. Tate
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on June 11, 2015, 01:42:13 PM
How about this one? $553.99
http://thedieselstore.com/high-pressure-cp3-common-rail-fuel-injection-pump-for-2006-2010-6-6l-duramax-diesel-lbz-lmm.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw4-SrBRDP483GvreDr2ASJAD5sCIun7SRFxe3Z-KyitrXFx7dlgbhCQsHNT3fNRgHMjAwERoCkTjw_wcB
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on June 11, 2015, 01:48:59 PM
Heck, I need to score one of those and slam it on my LML and toss that crappy CP4A
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 11, 2015, 02:58:14 PM
thanks for the link, I will pass that on to my mech and see what he has to say.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on June 11, 2015, 05:19:20 PM
NP. Hope it helps some.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 12, 2015, 09:50:42 PM
well I should have B.B. back by Friday next week.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 12, 2015, 10:02:04 PM
well I should have B.B. back by Friday next week.

"Ramble am....."
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 12, 2015, 10:27:30 PM
that is exactly how she got her name.  as I pulled up to the dealer, the sales guy had it started and ready for me to take it for a test drive, as I pulled out of the parking lot and was merging onto the interstate, ram jam's black betty came on and caused me to turn up the music and let the bose speakers rock it.

 
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on June 12, 2015, 10:29:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjyuDYtAtk
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: cudakidd53 on June 12, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
There's some nostalgic videos on that page.....ZZ Top "Legs" video....wow!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on July 01, 2015, 10:51:56 AM
ok folks, i have 2 bits of information here.

1. daisy is going up for sale.  yes thats right she is being put up for sale a few months after i bought her.  she is being put up for sale because we will be moving in about 9 months, starting a huge transition into civilian life and we are needing to down size the meyer household in order to make our packing and move as seamless, easy and painless as possible in one trip.  so with that being said, i am ofering first dibs to RealMan folks.  considering that i paid $3k for her, and have ordered/put on $1k worth of parts, i am looking at $4k for a price tag.  i feel that is a fair offer because of the condition of the vehicle, etc.

2. status update on the duramax.  had a new CP3 put on along with all new lines from the tank all the way to the CP3 to include a new filter and a plug to replace the race valve that went bad.  well i got a call yesterday saying she was done and ready for pck up.  i drove the hour one way, took it for a test drive and popped the P0087 (low fuel rail pressure code) several times.  i left her at the shop and told my mech to call me when he gets it figured out.  just off hand, what kind of reviews do you folks have in regards to FASS system pumps????

Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Dawg25385 on July 01, 2015, 11:37:43 AM
Ouch that is rough to hear regarding Black Betty...

I've read quite a bit Airdog vs. FASS... seems that neither are flawless. Don has had issues with one or the other, can't remember. People gripe about both though. Seems like folks have had good luck with the Kennedy pumps I hear. I think that's the route I'm going to go when I do my lift pump, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on July 01, 2015, 12:26:19 PM
The Kennedy pumps Don and I run are more for feed vs HP setups.

If you have low fuel pressure, I don't think a lift pump will fix that.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on July 01, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
JR, he probably is sucking air somewhere, so the lift pump should solve that issue....unless there's a restriction in the tank.

...forgot to mention that I have a Fass and been trouble free so far.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: cudakidd53 on July 01, 2015, 03:49:17 PM
Do I smell a Nate n Bobby deal in the making, with Bobby getting to take advantage of the " just for Bobby" smoker session upon pick up of said pickup?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: BobbyB on July 01, 2015, 04:28:49 PM
Do I smell a Nate n Bobby deal in the making, with Bobby getting to take advantage of the " just for Bobby" smoker session upon pick up of said pickup?

Isn't in purchasing mode yet. Still in search mode. Although, I won't turn down some Q.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on July 01, 2015, 05:39:49 PM
Really sorry to hear about your lousy set of events here. Mine turned out to be sucking air through a broken bleeder screw, and I know you've gone through all that, but sucking air or physical blockage in the tank like Ken was talking about make the most sense to me. Sad to hear you're parting with Daisy, but not sad that the smoker will soon be within driving distance.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on July 02, 2015, 01:37:43 PM
The sucking air thing is tuff to find. I still have issues but it runs fine, no codes just annoying sometimes.

Funny thing I was at DMV getting the paperwork done on the trailer and a guy had a Dmax that wouldn't run. I showed him the pump and he was off. You could hear his pushing air at the pump though.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on July 14, 2015, 05:31:13 PM
well, I got B.B. back today.  she runs like a raped ape again and no more fuel issues.

the CP3 got replaced, was still getting P0087 Code, dealer ran the dye machine and found that the one of the draw lines on top of the tank was pinched/collapsed. 

so 3 years ago when I had the titan tank installed by 4 wheel parts, they pinched one of the draw lines on the top of the tank between the tank and the strap and that in turn caused that CP3 to fail/become weak. 

here is the line

(http://i.imgur.com/rtLSDiE.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8NOJ5E1.jpg)
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Sammconn on July 14, 2015, 11:30:28 PM
Wow that sucks for the aggregation and cost you have incurred.
Hard to believe something so simple can put the hurt locker on so hard.
At least it's fixed and you can have a clear conscience on sale day.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: JR on July 15, 2015, 12:38:54 AM
I would contact customer service at 4WP. Sounds like you have an issue that is fully documented and points to them.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on July 15, 2015, 09:51:41 AM
that is true, but again that was 3 years ago that it was installed.......?
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on July 15, 2015, 10:25:36 AM
As a large corporation that I deal with on a regular basis I can tell you that their canned response will be, "that could have happened any time since the install and you can't prove we're to blame"... I would want to go after them too, but I can't see a win here. Sorry you had to deal w/ that but glad to hear she's up and killing it again.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: TexasRedNeck on July 15, 2015, 09:19:52 PM
I'll never do business with 4WP again.  The complete rear diff (eaton locker,, bearings, seals and gears) they installed in my old gasser lasted less than a year before the bearings failed
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on August 05, 2015, 03:42:32 AM
I'll never do business with 4WP again.  The complete rear diff (eaton locker,, bearings, seals and gears) they installed in my old gasser lasted less than a year before the bearings failed

In 15 years of turning wrenches and selling parts I have yet to see a true bearing failure that wasn't installation error related. You're right to blame them. It amazes me what people try to get away with.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: KensAuto on August 05, 2015, 10:33:39 AM
Exactly....or from a teenager burying his truck in a river and leaving it overnight.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on August 05, 2015, 11:39:37 AM
i have not gone to talk to anybody at 4wp, for several reasons.  1-the retards that work at the one here in el paso only habla espanol 2-i am having a hard time re-adjusting SFC Meyer to mr meyer civilian and 3-its been aver 3 years since i had them install it.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: cudakidd53 on August 05, 2015, 12:05:40 PM
You'll adjust Nate- my students salute me......just not with all four fingers together!  Lol- that first morning you jump outta bed saying, "crap, I'm gonna be late!" then realize you can crawl back into bed, or go cook an awesome breakfast will bring the biggest grin you've had in a long time!
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: EL TATE on August 05, 2015, 01:31:16 PM
you'll adjust even better when you get your butt out this way and hit the water.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on August 16, 2015, 11:49:32 PM
well, its official!  daisy has gone to a new owner and I got what I was asking for her.  the young man that bought her did a little stint in the Army as a ranger and was part of 3rd BAT.  good kid.

on another note, the wife's 03 kia spectra was replaced with a 15' VW Jetta TDI about a month ago.  currently at 37MPG of all city driving.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: cudakidd53 on August 17, 2015, 06:57:09 AM
Wow- there's an unexpected about face!  Sounds like it worked out well for all three parties though-
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on August 17, 2015, 10:03:02 AM
not really an about face mike, more like had too much stuff to try and move with so it is now fat trimming time.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on August 17, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
Those VW TDI's are really something.

My Toureg (As a passenger SUV) is simply magnificent. I get a combo of around 28MPG city/highway with a 5,000 lb all wheel drive vehicle. And with over 400 ft. lbs. of torque and mine is an R-Line which handles like a Porsche (They are really Porsches!) it is a total package
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on August 17, 2015, 11:32:18 AM
so far this thing is impressive and time will tell on whether it continues to impress or not.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: rpar86 on August 17, 2015, 02:00:17 PM
Just don't try to tow with it... right Don?  :-\
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Nate on August 17, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
Yeah, no towing with this.
Title: Re: Miss Daisy's Resto
Post by: Flyin6 on August 18, 2015, 08:12:08 AM
Just don't try to tow with it... right Don?  :-\
That is the only downfall I can find
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