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Firearms / Bump Fire M4 Build
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:49:42 PM »
Let's get some gun going on here!

Today I built a bump fire M4 and a scratch built one just to "learn" myself how to do that. The good news is I learned how to do it. THe bad news is I have two inop M4's at the moment!

THe bump fire gun launched a tiny spring out of the butt stock into the twilight zone where it is and will always be. Honestly, I think it landed on my malamute which took off and shook off in the lawn depositing it below this fall's leaf clutter, has to be that!

So that gun is out of there until I get that new spring. You know, come to think of it, I need to tell Nasa about those springs, I mean it's like fusion. It tucks in about 1/4 inch, yet fires out a half mile or so. Some wierd physics going on there.

So here's the bump-fire gun awaiting it's little 7th dimension bound spring:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:45:04 PM »
Originally Posted by nmeyer414 View Post
looking mean Don, i like it!

It's gettin an attitude, that's for sure.
So one day I was flying resupply to all those FOBs along MSR1 from Kandahar going out toward Bastion and Lash. I landed in that one on the Wadi about half way, a Canadian FOB me thinks. ANyway while sitting there a Polaris all cammoed out with a M240 mount comes motoring by. Why was I looking at it so closely, you ask? The guys drove under my rotor system, and I was in a AW-139, an aircraft they were not familiar with! They had multi-cam on before anyone had it, so you know who they were, but that little vehicle struck me as pretty cool. So that's where I'm going with this one. More suspension, more lift, more engine, more range, more stuff...Got a lot more stuff to bolt on there!
Here's my actual AW139 based out of KAF, ever see it?

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:43:01 PM »
Originally Posted by GreatLakeOffRoad View Post
Don, have you purchased tires and wheels yet? If not think steel wheels and custom weld on b-locks.........

Nope and for now I'm now 5 wheels deep into the John Deere product line. Now having said that, I could swap these wheels/tires onto the wifes Ga-Tor and free up some room for some steeleis...
You making them (yet?)
Hint: go 15" since the Ga-Tor has a 5 on 4.5" pattern same as you jeepers, the tire size selection would be pretty good. And me thinks you drive over a kia and get your tires all crunched up, find yourself a dead jeep, there should be olenty of them along with the fords to source a tempo spare...just sayin...

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:41:36 PM »
So here's what it all looks like at the moment:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:39:46 PM »
It now holds the rifle securely in place!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:38:44 PM »
Next the rubber gun base was screwed into place with some stainless hardware and nylon lock nuts. That assembly was then secured to the fender with the same hardware

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:37:44 PM »
Those were rivited together on 1" centers

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:36:40 PM »
On to the M4/gun mount. That was a quick fab project where I used (T-5???) Aircraft aluminum. With some quick cuts and a few simple bends I had it. Later I decided to double it so I bent up another piece to lay over the base.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:35:22 PM »
Next I finished the construction of the gas can mount. It's plenty sturdy now. I welded in another brace, a stiffner, and bolted in another U-Bolt. THere is no wiggle in the mount what so ever now, and it is rubber isolated from the rub rail/cage thing. I downsized the hardware to 5/16" since the full gas can will not make it to 30 pounds.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:33:44 PM »
While there spending my money while we can all still do that, I picked up some things to start outfitting the cargo utility box I installed yesterday. I forgot to put the roll of 100mph tape, but I bought it never the less

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:32:43 PM »
I got a little light happy, trying to reach my goal of having 300+ on the Tac-Gator. They had these cool hat bill clip on LED's which I picked up and slid home in a couple spots. Same thinking as the work/dome lights.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:31:53 PM »
While I was out at Harbor Freight, I picked up a bunch of cheepo LED lights. I thought I'd slap them all over creation to use as an expedient dome light that you could grab and go with.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:30:45 PM »
I picked up some emergency flares and tucked them away for some future use:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:29:18 PM »
Well I finished up the M4 mount and added some pioneer equipment as well.

First while shopping for some bolts (On black Friday, what was I thinking???) I came across this cool brush clearing chopping device. I immediately saw it in my minds eye mounted to the over-grossed rear head protection.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:27:26 PM »
Tomorrow I'll finish with the details and the base mount, but here's how it looks as of beddy-bye time tonight.

And the weapon secured to the vehicle:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:25:51 PM »
Same-same with how I secured my weapon in the bird in Baghdad, I like the use of a clip on halo which then is attached to the vehicle with a carabiner. That way if all hades breaks loose, say a rollover at speed for example, the weapon will be retained even if it comes out of the mount and beats your face all up!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:23:32 PM »
I'm used to storing guns next to the door. We locked our M4's part inside and part outside in the doorway of the littlebirds I was flying around Baghdad. Worked fine. And if you were getting out, there was that gun right there so you wouldn't forget it.
Here's a couple more shots:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:22:16 PM »
The upper gun mount is pretty cool. It has a slot and thick rubber jaws. You need to twist a jaw up or down then press in the weapon. while releasing the jaw. The rubber closes around the barrel, and just like that the gun is pretty secure.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:21:02 PM »
Obviously, I still need to fab up a lower mount onto which, I can attach the gun-butt holder seen in the pic. I think a simple aluminum L bracket with some generous feet to spread the load and some fender washers, and that should get the job done.

The upper mount bolts directly to the factory steel handhold with two stainless U-bolts. I will trim off the ends of the U-bolts soon as I close in on finishing this little project tomorrow.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:20:08 PM »
Since I still had time and no more hardware to complete the gas can mount, I decided to finally decide where to mount the rifle.
Since I am going to use the Gator down on the farm initially and then who knows where afterward, I think the perfect weapon to mount there would be a M4. So that's the gun I used to model the mount up, however I will ensure it also can secure an AK-47.

Here's where I decided to mount it:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:18:23 PM »
I still have to rubber line the mount, trim off the U-bolts, and round off the stainless sheet edges, but it's coming right along. Here's a few more shots:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:17:07 PM »
I decided to use locking handles on the gas can as well. Since I'll have three keys once I mount the white water cans, I decided to just spray paint the keys the same color as the cans. Green, red and white. Simple enough for a pilot!
I have not finished the installation, owing to some more rubber sway bar bushings which I like to use, various lengths bolts which I could not find in the Don shop, and some other hardware, but this is what it looks like at the minute:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:15:49 PM »
Those were rose welds to keep it all fairly neat, yet super strong. The fuel can fits right on and inclines the gas can intoward the vehicle at the top to follow the contour of the front of the vehicle. I am not done yet, but just this slight tilt should help it clear some wait-a-minute vines.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:15:04 PM »
I mounted it to the roll cage bar with 2ea. 3/8" bolts resting on rubber blocks to isolate vibration and used a U-bolt to capture the round steel tube on top of the truck bed.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:13:10 PM »
Next up was the mounting of the 3 gal gas can.
I am not allowing convention to drive the train here. I will think out of the box whenever I think I need to and with regard to the gas can mount I did just that.
You would think I should mount it in the bed. But if I did that, then less room for the Rangers and stuff like sleeping bags, 81mm mortars and things like that. So I decided to go outside but try to place it in such a way as to flow into the vehicle lines affording it some protection while not taking up valuable space. I wanted to keep the CG of the thing between the wheels and close to a suspension point so I wouldn't have unusual gyrations with the 20 extra pounds hanging on out there.
Here's where I decided to place it. Passenger side outside of the bed, above the brush bar and slightly forward of the rear wheel. I wanted it to be strong so I started with a sheet of stainless steel and bent it into the piece you see here:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:12:03 PM »
Actual mounting is a snap. Line it up, drill 4 holes, secure the hardware and add a stiffening plate to the top side and you're done!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 05:10:15 PM »
The mount boss and locking handle mounts to the base the same as the non locking handles do:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 04:07:57 PM »
Turkey day!
Great weather, like mid 70's, sunny and wrenches were all a' gleamin'!
So to burn off some of the calories I consumed, I did some Gator projects, pushing that ball down the field a bit more.

I have that bok of Roto-pack gas, water, and storage cans, so I mounted a couple more.

The first to go in was a general equipment container, olive drab, which I needed to store various things.

The location would be onto the underside of the roof just like the existing first aid kit. THis time, however, I am using locking handles so the stuff in there just doesn't go marching off.

Here's what that looks like:

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Firearms / Ruger break-down .22
« on: September 16, 2014, 04:02:29 PM »
FYI folks, I was talking to brother Holton about getting the little rangers guns for Christmas. I suggested M4's th which, well saying it mildly, Holton our Marine disagreed. Now I have learned to trust Marines on all things gun. So this MArine says get them Ruger 10-22's.
He sends me some links
I get to lookin
Next few days I'm down at the gun shop. The guy there says I get $269 for a wood stock one and they are drying up! He says I only have one. So me thinks, hmmm, better act quickly so I bought it. But that left one Ranger out in the cold. So I purchased him a hunters series Marlin .22...nice gun.
Then Holton sends me this pic of a new breakdown 10-22 which actually breaks down to 2 short pieces!
Hmmm, this was supposed to be about the boys, but Holton infected me. This morning my buddy teh black hawk pilot calls and says Dick's sporting goods is running a sale on ruger 10-22's! They are only $180 ea!
So I rush over there and snag one up.
Great both Rangers now have their proper squirrel assault rifles! Then I get the idea of giving the Marlin to momma! She would like to kill tree rats as well. WHile there at Dicks, I mention I might order one of those break down 10-22's in the future. The sales guy asks if I want to see one?
You have one? Yes sir, I actually have 2!
So he shows me the one and weakness overcomes me. I start shaking and talking irrationally. SOmewhere in the dribble that followed I mush have said I'll take it, but I know I did not do that from any conscious state, or any other state in the country for that matter!
Anyway here it is on my floor.
Thanks Holton, now I have 2 Ruger 10-22's

So, now you have to help me with the optics!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:59:11 PM »
With all the wiring run, the front end reattaches with 2ea. large bolts, a lower skid plate and the two side rub rails. That went pretty fast and before I knew it, it was done! I also added a tree saver strap to the accessory gear stored under the hood. I'm now self recovery ready!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:57:59 PM »
The winch can be operated through a rocker switch or by plugging a hand held controller into the circut. Initially, I opted for option one, while retaining the option of also dash mounting the rocker switch at a later time.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:56:27 PM »
You may also recall that I welded a stud to the frame when I did the electrical control box. I welded another ground stud to the frame under the hood in the front to provide a good ground for this voltage and amp sucking winch

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:55:45 PM »
I wanted to double fuse that critter so I dropped a 450 amp mega fuse inline and installed it under the factory console. That way, I also have a power source for future electrical growth. IR spot light???

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:55:04 PM »
You may recall the auxilliary electrical control box I created some time ago. Well, within that box was a 500 amp mega fuse, just waiting for the winch. Normal long winching will surely tax the circut, but only a jammed motor or short will cause that large of a fuse to burn and cut the circuit. I double insulated the power cable which is wired in such a way, that a simple twist of the master battery switch will isolate the winch to the aux, optima batery only.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:53:17 PM »
When it comes to electric wiring and cables and in an off road application, I always pay close attention to routing and chafing points. My favorite technique is to use a rubber donut to secure a cable to adjacent solid mounting points. Here is how I did that with the winch cables:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:51:59 PM »
Attention to detail always makes the difference between a problematic install and a great one. I used the bobbin on the winch line which will prevent too great of a break-over angle. I also substituted a spring clip for the gaudy cotter pin.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:50:47 PM »
The winch plate goes on first, then the winch bolts to the plate with some bolts going through the bumper and plate. I substituted longer bolts instead of using the too short Pro-Mark supplied fastners.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:49:29 PM »
So the first big step is to unbolt the front end and pull all that protective stuff and lights out of the way.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:48:02 PM »
I just got finished installing the ProMark 4500 winch.
It's a good install, but not nearly as fast as I was hoping.
Anyway I started thinking I could drop it in from the front, but that was not to be. The winch installs from the backside very much complicating things.
I have had the winch for weeks. That was one of the boxes partially obscuring the red maple tree outside the garage windows. I like that tree, so that motivated me to actually tackle this particuliar project. Here's the winch plate and where it fits:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:43:04 PM »
Originally Posted by GreatLakeOffRoad View Post
Close enough for me!

Well. not that you mentioned it
I was working out the roof rack which is going to have some unique differences. I was working out how I would extend tubes from inside the frame of the rack. I was working up something for the back as well. Here's the cool part. Stop the vehicle, pull out the tubes in all directions, then IN THE RACK is a tarp with a cammo net attached! Just roll it out and you have shade, shelter from rain, and some cammo. Then you came up with that bikini top idea for the back end, and it just threw me for a loop!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:42:30 PM »
Nate Wrote:

i dont think don is speechless, i think another 100 ideas just rolled through his head and is now trying to work it all out. lol

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:41:49 PM »
Shawn wrote:

I think that was your shortest post to date. New record, not even really a word either......

Mark it on the calendar, Don is speechless!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:41:13 PM »
Hmmmm....

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:40:53 PM »
From Shawn:

Don, have you thought about using a sheet of aluminum and extending it backover the knuckleheads seats in the rear? This way if you were driving in the rain at least some of the water would get thrown back past them? The idea reminds me of the bikini top on my jeep in the summer, kiddos in the back will still get a little water rushing around the sides (they always lean to center to avoid it) but at least it will not be coming down from above. Looks like a pretty simple upgrade with some sheet material and a piece of rubber sandwiched between the plastic top and the aluminum front side........

Would make a good sunblock on hot days as well.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:39:59 PM »
From the last pictures you can see I paid a great deal of attention to detail. I welded a bolt to the vehicle frame where I connected the aux battery ground and the ground strap from the electrical control box. I found a switched hot lead for the solenoid and plugged that wire in. I ran a hot to the battery, and onother to the main vehicle battery.
Additionally I canned the Inverter cigar powered connection in favor os hooking it directly to the mega fuse block with some heavy wires. It will have no problem drawing all the current it (I) need.
I did find an interference issue with that access I cut for the control box through the head guard. the Cables were touching when I raised the bed, so I cut another corner off that square access and welded in a 45 degree angle brace. I will finish grind it and pretty it up in the morrow.
That leaves me with building the front cover/lid tomorrow and this project is officially in the bag!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:38:29 PM »
Optima supplies cool little plastic snap on pieces which made the battery a snug fit in the marine battery box I used. With this done it was time to start connecting cables and running the couple remaining ones.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:37:20 PM »
Today, I got it almost finished. At this point the whole thing is installed and working as advertised. I started with fitting the battery frame and box and final welding it in place:

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:36:16 PM »
Here's where it all sits now. Box is installed, rear head guard is modified.
I need to mount the battery, hook it up, make the primary battery connection and fab up a door for the box and I can call this project complete. Maybe that will happen today, who knows...have laundry yet to do, and trunk or treat candy wrappers the Ranger left laying around to pick up. If you're wondering, yes, that will cost him. Punshiment in this house for little rangers usually involves cleaning a toilet...not a favorite task at all!

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:34:37 PM »
I then mounted it to the front of the bed on the steel bulkhead. I drilled 3/8" holes then used 1/4" bolts on rubber sway bar bushings. Remember that helicopter pilot vibration sensitive thing? Well, that's going on here. Don't like things to vibrate in harmony. Harmony = Buzz!
With that all snugged up, we might recall the bed tilts.
We might also remember one of newtons laws of physics. I'm refereing to the one that states two pieces of matter can not ocupy the same space at the same time. OK that meant that if I tilted the bed, either the electrical box would be scraped off, or that pretty head cage thing would get all mangled, or perhaps both. So one had to go. Since I just built the box, I decided it should stay. With the handy cut off wheel. I adjusted the rear piece. then welded stiffners back to it.
These pics actually show when I was pre fitting it without the pretty box condition (PBS) existing.

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General Vehicle Related Discussion / Re: Gator 825i Build Thread
« on: September 16, 2014, 03:32:59 PM »
Mo pics
Aient it prudy?

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