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So as some of you know I spent a week hiking around the mountains in Grand Teton and Yellowstone with the family.I knew we were going into bear country in the summertime and I really wanted to bring my 10mm G20 with the aftermarket barrel and hopped up 210gn loads. But alas, getting the family out the door at 4:45 am to get to the airport was enough to make me not want to check a weapon in my baggage because of the 30 extra minutes it take to find someone who knows the protocol and doesn’t scream out “hey what do we do about a gun?” And it wouldn’t be the first time my luggage was delayed because of the extra screening.However, after being in WY and seeing all the people with bells and bear spray, I felt like a guy in a gun battle that thinks a cardboard box is cover.(As an aside: How do you tell the difference between black bear scat and grizzly scat? Black bear scat is full of grubs and berries. Grizzly scat is fully of bells, human bones, and smells like pepper spray)So I went on my merry way with the family in tow with my little bell ringing and a big bottle of bear spray....Doing a great deal of reading on bear behavior and dealing with a bear attack (we plan on making that trip many more times) I felt really bad for being lazy and not pack a weapon.However as much as I think my hopped up 10mm would be sufficient, I apparently misjudged the requirement for bear.So, I think I may have found a great excuse for a ultra big bore handgun and so the search begins.Despite S&W quality and other problems, they are really the only one who makes a weapon that is a no doubter on bear, namely the 460 and the 500. Ruger has the 454 casul and 480 Ruger, but the fall woefully short of the ballistics of the 500.So looking at the 500S&W with 4 inch barrel. (And maybe a face guard for when that beast recoils into my face...)What say the menses out there?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Quote from: TexasRedNeck on August 06, 2019, 06:14:36 PMSo as some of you know I spent a week hiking around the mountains in Grand Teton and Yellowstone with the family.I knew we were going into bear country in the summertime and I really wanted to bring my 10mm G20 with the aftermarket barrel and hopped up 210gn loads. But alas, getting the family out the door at 4:45 am to get to the airport was enough to make me not want to check a weapon in my baggage because of the 30 extra minutes it take to find someone who knows the protocol and doesn’t scream out “hey what do we do about a gun?” And it wouldn’t be the first time my luggage was delayed because of the extra screening.However, after being in WY and seeing all the people with bells and bear spray, I felt like a guy in a gun battle that thinks a cardboard box is cover.(As an aside: How do you tell the difference between black bear scat and grizzly scat? Black bear scat is full of grubs and berries. Grizzly scat is fully of bells, human bones, and smells like pepper spray)So I went on my merry way with the family in tow with my little bell ringing and a big bottle of bear spray....Doing a great deal of reading on bear behavior and dealing with a bear attack (we plan on making that trip many more times) I felt really bad for being lazy and not pack a weapon.However as much as I think my hopped up 10mm would be sufficient, I apparently misjudged the requirement for bear.So, I think I may have found a great excuse for a ultra big bore handgun and so the search begins.Despite S&W quality and other problems, they are really the only one who makes a weapon that is a no doubter on bear, namely the 460 and the 500. Ruger has the 454 casul and 480 Ruger, but the fall woefully short of the ballistics of the 500.So looking at the 500S&W with 4 inch barrel. (And maybe a face guard for when that beast recoils into my face...)What say the menses out there?Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI own a 500SW with a six in barrel, I have had a lot of issues with the cylinder NOT opening and NOT revolving, since mine was a very early manufacture it might of been that stupid lock system. I sent it back to SW 2ea times for the same issue, the second time I had to take it to SW service center local because it was still loaded and I couldn't ship. Not sure if this is an issue on the current production.That being said I can only tolerate to fire it not more than 15 times, its not fun to shoot. It dose do the required damage.
Charles, no matter what your choice, may you never have to use for the intent it was bought for. Safe hiking for you and yours..
How are you planning on carrying it? Since you mentioned a big pack I’m assuming it has a hip belt?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: longball on August 07, 2019, 10:07:14 AMHow are you planning on carrying it? Since you mentioned a big pack I’m assuming it has a hip belt?Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI’d suggest custom front chest rig.....
I haven’t spent much time in a drop leg but for me, I don’t think it’d be comfortable on a recreational hike. I’ve been thinking of getting one of the Hill People chest rigs for a while but keep putting it off. We haven’t done much hiking since the little one was born. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
but with a big pack and surrounded by tourists a pistol is likely more practical.
getting one of the Hill People chest rigs
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are. Take the appropriate action, Execute!
your standard grunt level CQB is just putting rounds and rounds on scary stuff till it stops scaring you!
Would be cool if I could attach that pack to the front of my pack. It has molle webbing on the straps.
Charles, some food for thought. Recall I believe Ken mentioned people bear killed with guns still holstered. I read quite a few arguments against the waist carry being that if you do get attached and then pinned it is harder to draw your firearm. I’m unsure of the theory but it’s possibly something to consider. Bobby, I like those. Average person wouldn’t realize you were packing.
Quote from: TexasRedNeck on August 07, 2019, 09:31:46 AM but with a big pack and surrounded by tourists a pistol is likely more practical. Quote from: longball on August 07, 2019, 02:43:41 PM getting one of the Hill People chest rigs Pair the following :Hiking pack with Hill People Gear chest rig = perfection. Pistol is close at hand, concealed so no one will be the wiser. Just some suggestions.http://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/CategoryID/1/ProductID/5http://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/CategoryID/1/ProductID/6http://hillpeoplegear.com/Products/CategoryID/1/ProductID/2
Would be cool if I could attach that pack to the front of my pack. It has molle webbing on the straps. Otherwise I’ll probably go cross draw at the waist or owb strong side. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
That’s part of the reason I don’t have one yet. I can’t make a decision on which bag I should buy. I get analysis paralysis on the regular.
Did you and bobby get into the jack a little hard....or was it the tokillyah?
I told the wife I was bringing my little 22 pocket pistol next time.She said, why would you bother bringing that? You know that won't stop a bear.Nope, but when I shoot you in the knee, I'll be able to get away easier.....
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb. I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.