Another question TRN - at Bartlein, how would I go about having them make a barrel for an AR10 - I wouldn't know what to ask for as it appears that everything is made to order custom, not sure about is they "finish" like salt nitride bath etc.
Shawn, adjustable gas block on a "non suppressed" rifle and without a piston?
As I've mentioned, my knowledge/experience base with building something like this is very shallow- LOL!
You can call Bartlein directly or, If it were me, I would call Moon at GA Precision and have him build you a barrel with extension and match the bolt. Or just send him your upper and have him put it together. The trigger and the barrel/bolt are what makes an accurate weapon. GA builds a 3/8 inch MOA or better 308. I've seen it. I got my ass kicked by a San Antonio PD SWAT team member who ran a GA Precision AR10 against my GA Precision Remy 700 Bolt gun.
Once you run an uber accurate AR10, you'll never go back to anything else under 700 meters.
Hey Charles-
FYI- Moon has left GA Precision and opened his own shop called Crescent Customs; I've initiated contact with him via email regarding assembling an finished upper using my supplied upper receiver.
Anyone have recommendations for an appropriate 30 cal. muzzle break/flash suppressor? Oh, how I wish my state was one of the "enlightened" ones that allowed a true suppressor! >:(
Bobby and Charles: looking for something that counters muzzle rise for a quicker follow-up shot (usually listed as a flash suppressor?)
Good idea there Bobby! I did just refer my brother to them for an M4 yesterday- I've not really noticed them doing anything in .308 when I've cruised their site. I'll shoot them an email and inquire! Nice part is that they can ship a finished upper to me direct!
Have you actually talked to anyone there?
They may be able to assemble the parts as well, as in have them, I'm not sure.
I think they likely would shorten the barrel as well, they do make them.
I have heard of them, but that it all.
Did you already but the stripped upper? May be easier to buy a complete upper assembled.....
That initial company that TRN suggested does, but is proprietary to their complete weapon! They no longer do any semi-auto work due to the success of theirs own platform.......so I'm trying to get close to what they used to do-
Coming up empty on all of TRN's suggested sources as well as Bobby's buddy at Integrity Arms, so I came across what I hope is another option and wanted to know if anyone has any information about this company- Kreiger Barrels in Richfield, WI? From their website, their shortest barrel is 20" so longer than my desired 18" plan - from those of you with far more experience than I with the AR10 platform, how much will those extra 2" (4 more than my AR15) effect agility of motion with the weapon in an "competition" requiring movement, and close quarter settings?
I plan on contacting them at some point, once I know and have assembled all the parts to complete an upper, as they'll do final assembly etc. with my supplied parts as well as fitting of bolt etc to the barrel and extension.
Any insight on Kreiger is much appreciated-
Mike
I've heard of them but Bobby is probably a second cousin or something, maybe even Nate!
What the end use for the gun? 20" is getting pretty long for close quarters anything in my limited opinion......
That's my, unqualified thought as well- I figure I'll call them to see if there's any possibility of them making it 18" once I figure out and assemble all the "parts" they'll require. They want a stripped bolt to "match" to the barrel extension/lugs etc. without ejector parts etc. I have no clue how to go about taking one apart that's been "staked" so I could use some insights there for sure.
With ALL the parts out there, I'm in need of a "list" of what I really need- I know I'll need: adjustable gas block, handguard and appropriate barrel nut (or will Krieger supply?), correct length gas tube, bolt and carrier and compensator.
What am I missing, overlooking?
It won't have a "highly" accurate barrel then- :(
I guess where I was going with this is he wants a highly accurate rifle for this build & the big players are all not an option for one reason or another. So the reality is he should be able to buy quality parts and have a competent gunsmith assemble & be gtg.
Personal opinion not based in fact
Stay away from carbon fiber wrapped barrels. Any rough treatment and a crack could render it worthless.
Go for the adjustable gas block to address load variances and when suppressed.
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TRN, I don't think he can legally suppress in Illinois.
FIFY Bobby. :)
FIFY Bobby. :)
Huh?
Disregard, I'm tired, but I figured out your hip cool kid lingo.
And I thought I was the old guy. smh while rofl
stock will either be Magpul DMR fixed.
Here's the pressure regulating bolt group I came across- a bit pricey!
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/bolt-parts/bolts/308-ar-enhanced-high-pressure-bolt-completion-group-prod77853.aspx
That doesn't include carrier!
Thoughts? Is it potentially worth the $ or is it a whole lot for a little in the long run?
They make it sound so technical. What's extractor smear...
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Quick overview my only concern is that handguard is the correct height to match the upper when installed as there are several different heights out there. If you did not I would call or better yet email tech & have them confirm it fits your upper properly. Midway can get touchy on returns, I know personally being banned from their buying list.....
Quick overview my only concern is that handguard is the correct height to match the upper when installed as there are several different heights out there. If you did not I would call or better yet email tech & have them confirm it fits your upper properly. Midway can get touchy on returns, I know personally being banned from their buying list.....
Shawn's calling down the Gremlins on my build! LOL - one of the reasons I've taken as long assembling parts as I have is due to my greenness and the vast degree of variations in this platform! Another reason I went with the Troy hand guard was the illustration provided on-line to check compatibility of the receiver.
Thanks for the "caution" as I just went to the safe to triple check - I'm GTG! ;D
The Brown parts fairy stopped by today-
Got to playing with the receiver, barrel nut and hand guard so now I've got a question for youn'z in the know: the barrel nuts four tabs at 12,3,6 & 9 don't slide into the grooves in the handguard. They line up and start, but I'm not thinking slamming it on with a hammer is an appropriate method of installation! Seems like the FDE coating could be scraped out, or I could file on each side of the tabs some OR a combination of both.
My next question is: once on with the barrel and barrel nut torqued appropriately, is that hand guard supposed to rotate freely with those tabs lining up inside one of the grooves that run around 360 degrees inside the hand-guard?
Answers, insights, volunteers to put the upper together so I don't muff it up etc? :o
Update on Troy Industries Hand Guard:
So last evening after the Brown Fairy dropped off some parts, including the above, I tried to fit the Barrel Nut into the Hand Guard and wasn't successful as things seemed overly tight. Come to find out that there's supposed to be a proprietary Barrel Nut with the Hand Guard that Midway said wasn't included when I ordered and that any Mil-spec Barrel Nut would work.
Contacted Troy Industries last evening and got a response right away this am. They asked for proof of purchase and invoice, both of which I provided via screen shot off my phone and emailed to them.
Resolutions: They are NEXT DAY shipping it to my door! Start of contact until shipping notice was 2.5 hours- OUTSTANDING!Troy Industries = Great Customer Service!
Update on Troy Industries Hand Guard:
So last evening after the Brown Fairy dropped off some parts, including the above, I tried to fit the Barrel Nut into the Hand Guard and wasn't successful as things seemed overly tight. Come to find out that there's supposed to be a proprietary Barrel Nut with the Hand Guard that Midway said wasn't included when I ordered and that any Mil-spec Barrel Nut would work.
Contacted Troy Industries last evening and got a response right away this am. They asked for proof of purchase and invoice, both of which I provided via screen shot off my phone and emailed to them.
Resolutions: They are NEXT DAY shipping it to my door! Start of contact until shipping notice was 2.5 hours- OUTSTANDING!Troy Industries = Great Customer Service!
Customer service is good when they fix you up. Did you check Troy's website before you ordered off Midway? I've noticed some discrepancies between sites a few times.
Anyone have suggestions on a reputable shop/gunsmith to have assemble my upper, check head spacing etc. on this puppy? With an accurate barrel, need for secure attachment of the muzzle "device" to satisfy legality issues and not wanting to purchase bench block, and assorted tools, I have found out that Ken's supplier of the buffer will assemble upper with "your parts" for $50. I am looking for a recommendation from anyone with personal experience and a recommendation/testimonial to see what's out there.
Anyone have suggestions on a reputable shop/gunsmith to have assemble my upper, check head spacing etc. on this puppy? With an accurate barrel, need for secure attachment of the muzzle "device" to satisfy legality issues and not wanting to purchase bench block, and assorted tools, I have found out that Ken's supplier of the buffer will assemble upper with "your parts" for $50. I am looking for a recommendation from anyone with personal experience and a recommendation/testimonial to see what's out there.
Use "Ken's buffer guy" who I've also used. He has a great reputation and know several people who have had great success with him.
edit: just recalled I believe magpul recommends him as well if you have feeding issues......
Anyone know about or have experience with this company/scope and or targeting system?NOSSIR, but I likes it
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XPA414XFFP308&name=Primary+Arms+4-14X44+FFP+Scope+w%2f+ACSS®+HUD+DMR+.308%2f.223&groupid=6341
Intriguing concept for the reticle. I've also been looking at something like this:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XVOPST416F1A&name=Vortex+PST+4-16x50+FFP+Riflescope+EBR-1+(MOA)+Reticle%2f+30mm+Tube&groupid=7903
They make a couple different BDC models that run about half the price of this one ^^^
Anyone know about or have experience with this company/scope and or targeting system?
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XPA414XFFP308&name=Primary+Arms+4-14X44+FFP+Scope+w%2f+ACSS®+HUD+DMR+.308%2f.223&groupid=6341
Intriguing concept for the reticle. I've also been looking at something like this:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XVOPST416F1A&name=Vortex+PST+4-16x50+FFP+Riflescope+EBR-1+(MOA)+Reticle%2f+30mm+Tube&groupid=7903
They make a couple different BDC models that run about half the price of this one ^^^
NOSSIR, but I likes it
Bobbee...?
Basic enough for a grunt like Bobby to do in the field !
A steady hand, and a small punch or large paper clip, IIRC. Basic enough for a grunt like Bobby to do in the field !
I'm a little surprised you didn't go for a drop in trigger, considering how far you've went so far...I mean, heck, what's a couple hundred more bucks. :)
A Giesselle will be making an appearance as funds regenerate.....in the meantime, I'll just need to learn the beast and once I shoot it with sound fundamentals and accuracy, the upgrade of a match trigger and scope will have increased accuracy that makes me even more capable!
My mil spec sucked! It was the absolute worst trigger I've ever pulled....even tried polishing/filing it but it still sucked. Might have been the brand, dunno.
Clint, from HeavyBuffers called - upper is assembled and inbound along with the rifle buffer and spring set-up he specializes in. Thankful for that AND the fact that we won't need to suffer under Queen Hildabeast and I'll be able to use the new toy without fear of being legislated into the status of a criminal.
Still need sights and a stock of ammo - will have time while skull gets cerakote treatment; sorry TRN, no red eyes! Bobby, Spike's kit comes with trigger assembly that's "improved" mil spec so if I get good groups, do I still get credit?
Clint, from HeavyBuffers called - upper is assembled and inbound along with the rifle buffer and spring set-up he specializes in. Thankful for that AND the fact that we won't need to suffer under Queen Hildabeast and I'll be able to use the new toy without fear of being legislated into the status of a criminal.
Still need sights and a stock of ammo - will have time while skull gets cerakote treatment; sorry TRN, no red eyes! Bobby, Spike's kit comes with trigger assembly that's "improved" mil spec so if I get good groups, do I still get credit?
I suppose partial credit. In all truth the ALG (Geiselle's wife, I think) ACT is supposedly a good mil-spec trigger.
I went with ALG on my Integrity build....the one I used to whack a beer at 300 m at Don's farm with the first shot. I'm hoping Spike's is comparable in quality!
It takes a lot of practice and patience to be good with a milspec trigger. I'm not patient.
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Must resist,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Mike give me the barrel length and the brand and weight of rounds you'll be shooting and the height of your optic and I'll run you a ballistic table
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Mike give me the barrel length and the brand and weight of rounds you'll be shooting and the height of your optic and I'll run you a ballistic table
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First he's gotta find a round that works best out of all the options...
And decide on a scope....
And build the lower...
And find time to actually shoot it...
;D
Thanks Charles, will take you up on that as soon as Bobby's punch list is complete!
Here's what I have been buying & shooting as of lateYeah, I got some of that. It's still sitting on the floor at work. Haven't tried it yet. Heck of a good deal for plinking rounds.
http://sgammo.com/product/308-win-762x51-ammo/1000-round-case-308-win-148-grain-fmj-german-military-surplus-ammo-am203
It's very clean & runs well, I'm not a long range shooter so take it for what it is. I think Ken was or did but some of this. Price is hard to beat if you're stocking up.
Also check out the reviews below product description, sg is great to deal with as is aim.....
shoot M118LR
What type of Loc-tite should be used on different areas of assembly?I'd use the blue 242 for most of it.
Back-up sights?
Buffer Tube?
Anti-walk pins for trigger assembly?
Stock/sling mounts?
Anywhere else?
I know "staking" is another method for some areas, but I'm pretty sure those are already covered, except the Buffer Tube, which doesn't have a nut based upon my stock choice.
What type of Loc-tite should be used on different areas of assembly?
Back-up sights?
Buffer Tube?
Anti-walk pins for trigger assembly?
Stock/sling mounts?
Anywhere else?
I know "staking" is another method for some areas, but I'm pretty sure those are already covered, except the Buffer Tube, which doesn't have a nut based upon my stock choice.
I shoot fgmm 175
The 175 will stay supersonic longer than the 168
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What type of Loc-tite should be used on different areas of assembly?You can use Blue in all those locations, but really most BUIS don't work loose if they are steel and mil spec rail design.
Back-up sights?
Buffer Tube?
Anti-walk pins for trigger assembly?
Stock/sling mounts?
Anywhere else?
I know "staking" is another method for some areas, but I'm pretty sure those are already covered, except the Buffer Tube, which doesn't have a nut based upon my stock choice.
2.5-10x is in stock, that will work for you.
I like it, just waiting for the money truck to stop by end of the month! :grin:
I agree...just couldn't refrain from giving you a hard time about being smart, at the same time giving myself credit for being an idiot. (redneck reasoning 101)
I will not put that down in writing as my HH6 thinks the cost of the used scope is the price :rolleyes: