Interesting comparison

[Flyin6]

Reagan - Trump

[Dawg25385]

Trumps on a roll sticking his foot in his mouth. Today's takes the cake


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[Flyin6]

Trumps on a roll sticking his foot in his mouth. Today's takes the cake


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Missed it, what this time?

[Dawg25385]

"Hillary wants to abolish — essentially abolish — the Second Amendment," Trump said. "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don't know."

https://youtu.be/neCW9RwwH6g


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[Flyin6]

Ah yes

I see that two different ways.

First of all the veiled threat...

Was he making it??? Or (secondly) just acknowledging a growing possibility for civil insurrection.

Taking our guns away, is the tipping point which I have long thought and stated is the one single thing which will push us into armed conflict with authorities. Where that turns into a full blown revolution??? Who is to know...

This is just plain speaking. Trump is a plain spoken man. I understand that from a long military career, where (Real) commanders talk like him, so that they are not misunderstood.

But as a point of order here, witness this as a measure of how far the american public, under the influence of political correctness has come from truth.

Trump is not a gentle shift back toward truth, and away from "sugar coating" ugly things. Nope, he is an an of/off switch. After 8 years of his presidency, we will all be well accustomed to plain speaking once again and used to this way of plain talking. And know who else will be? Well, ISIS, the North Koreans, Russia, China, and Opec to name a few...

[Bear9350]

Yeah, I didn't read it as a threat to any individual person but as a warning that the 2nd Amendment people would not stand idly-by.

[Dawg25385]

All that is fine and dandy, and naturally I didn't think anybody here would have a big issue with it. But we're not the ones that are going to decide this election, the moderates and independents are. This kind of talk turns them off, or at the very least gives a megaphone to the MSM. I get it, he's a straight talk gunslinger, and many love that about him. But let's not get the buggy in front of the mule. He has to win first, and he can't be alienating voting blocks at every turn if he wants to do that.

It almost doesn't matter what we thought he meant, as the probability of us conservatives voting for him is already high. It's the fence walkers that matter, and what they thought of what he said...


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[KensAuto]

^^^savvvy

[cj7ox]

Ah yes

I see that two different ways.

First of all the veiled threat...

Was he making it??? Or (secondly) just acknowledging a growing possibility for civil insurrection.

Taking our guns away, is the tipping point which I have long thought and stated is the one single thing which will push us into armed conflict with authorities. Where that turns into a full blown revolution??? Who is to know...

This is just plain speaking. Trump is a plain spoken man. I understand that from a long military career, where (Real) commanders talk like him, so that they are not misunderstood.

But as a point of order here, witness this as a measure of how far the american public, under the influence of political correctness has come from truth.

Trump is not a gentle shift back toward truth, and away from "sugar coating" ugly things. Nope, he is an an of/off switch. After 8 years of his presidency, we will all be well accustomed to plain speaking once again and used to this way of plain talking. And know who else will be? Well, ISIS, the North Koreans, Russia, China, and Opec to name a few...

As an Army man for 19 years, I agree wholeheartedly. But...

All that is fine and dandy, and naturally I didn't think anybody here would have a big issue with it. But we're not the ones that are going to decide this election, the moderates and independents are. This kind of talk turns them off, or at the very least gives a megaphone to the MSM. I get it, he's a straight talk gunslinger, and many love that about him. But let's not get the buggy in front of the mule. He has to win first, and he can't be alienating voting blocks at every turn if he wants to do that.

It almost doesn't matter what we thought he meant, as the probability of us conservatives voting for him is already high. It's the fence walkers that matter, and what they thought of what he said...


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This man makes one heck of a point!

[TexasRedNeck]

What is left out is the millions of voters that have been motivated by his plain speak. It remains to be seen but the blue collar democrats are defecting in droves. Remember polls don't account for voter turnout.

Hillary is fanning the flames of racism because the AA (no Don, not Airborne) vote is what won it for BHO and they aren't coming out for Billary. Their voter turnout is record low while trump turnout is record high. Much of this is media grandstanding to demoralize blue collar dems and activate the AA vote.

It will be interesting to say the least. Trump is smarter than I think he gets credit for. He knew Exactly what he was doing when he said what he said. He is a very calculating guy.


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[Dawg25385]

I think he's calculated as well. But attacking Cruz after RNC, Khan attack, and this latest incident I have to believe hurt him more than help him.


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[TexasRedNeck]

Kyle agreed. I didn't say his calculations are always correct!  Lord knows mine aren't


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[Dawg25385]

Ha, roger that. Same here!


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[stlaser]

So did the SS have to rein in Reagan too?


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-10/secret-service-holds-more-one-conversation-trump-about-his-second-amendment-remark

[Wilbur]

I will say this first off- I wish he wouldn't out his foot in his mouth....do I think it was a threat? No...I think it was a reference to how the 2A voters will get out and vote but he could have said it much more articulately.

But having said that each time the media gets worked up in a lather about something Trump says we then see how Hillary has often/usually said something far worse, and the media has been silent on it. In this case it is Hillary's comment from 2008 about why she wouldn't drop out of the primary race in July bc RFK was assassinated in July when he was running. And Trump's comment is bad? What???

And what seems to happen is the truth does come out and people see that this IS media bias pure and simple. And I think that helps Trump. I do worry if others (the independants) are hearing it the same way I am, but the turn out at his rallies continues to be insane so some are definitely hearing what they want.

[Dawg25385]

#neverhillary







But if you asked me right this minute, my gut says Trump is going to get crushed in November, as much as I hate the thought of that happening. Just one man's opinion.

We're all like-minded, that's one of the dangers of group-think. But there's indicators to me that make me highly concerned about Trumps chances...

I pray I'm wrong, wholeheartedly.


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[JR]

All that is fine and dandy, and naturally I didn't think anybody here would have a big issue with it. But we're not the ones that are going to decide this election, the moderates and independents are. This kind of talk turns them off, or at the very least gives a megaphone to the MSM. I get it, he's a straight talk gunslinger, and many love that about him. But let's not get the buggy in front of the mule. He has to win first, and he can't be alienating voting blocks at every turn if he wants to do that.

It almost doesn't matter what we thought he meant, as the probability of us conservatives voting for him is already high. It's the fence walkers that matter, and what they thought of what he said...


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Yep, it is a pretty solid 40% for one side and the other. It is the swing you have to convince. Now on that note many normal Dems are having issues with the way things are going and did not expect the "change" would be as it is..

He motivates more than he pushes away and the media grabs for anything to see what sticks.