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Title: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on September 20, 2014, 03:05:40 PM
Picked this 1991 Suburban up for $500. Just a 1500 but a cali truck with just some rust on the roof and faded paint.

Been parked for around 8 years, blown rear (gm 8.5) with a 4 inch lift and just 85k miles. Interior is great with a 3rd seat.

I may flip or upgrade to a 6BT (which I have) and get a 2500 with a big block so it will have the gm 10.5 rear and a heavier frame (.194 vs .177)
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on September 20, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
Here is the roof which seems to be common for the older GMs.

Pulled the tires and wheels off (sold for $100) and got these new steel wheels for $60 and 33" coopers for $800. 
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Dustoff35 on September 20, 2014, 04:49:26 PM
That's a nice one, JR.  I like the barn door Suburbans much better than the tailgated ones.  What powertrain does it currently have besides the blown 8.5" rear end?   
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on September 20, 2014, 06:25:14 PM
JR,
I like that truck
Frame, just box it yourself, add in a couple cross members and a stout rock rail system and you're stronger than the 3/4 ton by tons.
That rust is nothing. Sand today, apply rust treatment, then overcoat with red oxide and a coat of cheapo paint to seal it...done or spray bed liner over it and add that roof rack with a plywood floor, which will cool the truck considerably in all that sun and no trees you live in
It's a keeper!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on September 20, 2014, 07:48:30 PM
I have the etching primer for the top and will probably use Ace Anti rust on that. I am leaning towards all black or grey but have seen a nice white anti heat house roof coating done on another forum. I also have a gallon of OD that I had for the Samurai, but would black out the hood either way.

Drivetrain as sits is a good ol TBI 5.7, 700r4 and a 241 I think. Front is a 10 bolt but I have a dana 60 8 lug sitting on the side of the house. For the 10 bolt on it now I have a 14 semi with 3.73 to match the front. It has the 14mm studs which I will add to the front if left this way. If I can then get it registered as a 3/4 ton, I can do the diesel swap as there are CARB issues here in Kali with years and GVW swaps.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on September 30, 2014, 09:26:12 AM
We talking a 6.5 GMC diesel swap?
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on October 01, 2014, 01:52:26 AM
We talking a 6.5 GMC diesel swap?

Nooooo, 6BT like yours.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on October 01, 2014, 11:15:34 AM
We talking a 6.5 GMC diesel swap?

Nooooo, 6BT like yours.

didn't know the Commissar of Kalifornia allowed such a deviation outside the rules of the state collective!

Sorry bro, I know you hate the rules there as much (More?) as we do...
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on October 02, 2014, 12:03:23 AM
Well, the plan is to get her running as is with the 14 bolt semi floater. Ad 14mm stud up front and get it upgraded to a 3/4 ton. Then I can drop the 3/4 ton engine in it.

That is how Kali works guys. The engine must be from the same class vehicle (3/4 to 3/4 and of the same or newer year) Nice thing if it s goes that way it will be smog exempt from then on (pre 96 for diesels)

Same reason I can swap the 2002 5.3 truck motor into my 87 El Camino. Elky is classed as a truck her, the 5.3 is newer and from a 1/2 truck and will then be smogged as a 2002.

Believe me I hate this stuff too, but moving as a whole in the near future is out. But I have a hand out for some land in NV. Heck I even just got screwed on buying my service weapon I carried for 20 years. Was told $329 with a 3 15rnd mags, but they wouldn't give them to since I retired 3 months ago. So I paid the $329, then it ran another $85 for background, Tax, DRO and had to wait 10 days to get it.

Only light here is the Gov. who likes 3 gun by the way vetoed a bill that would have made every Kalifornian register any and all weapons without a serial number, retroactive!! And we know that every law abiding citizen would have, just like the bad guys. 
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2014, 03:14:43 PM
Well, the plan is to get her running as is with the 14 bolt semi floater. Ad 14mm stud up front and get it upgraded to a 3/4 ton. Then I can drop the 3/4 ton engine in it.

That is how Kali works guys. The engine must be from the same class vehicle (3/4 to 3/4 and of the same or newer year) Nice thing if it s goes that way it will be smog exempt from then on (pre 96 for diesels)

Same reason I can swap the 2002 5.3 truck motor into my 87 El Camino. Elky is classed as a truck her, the 5.3 is newer and from a 1/2 truck and will then be smogged as a 2002.

Believe me I hate this stuff too, but moving as a whole in the near future is out. But I have a hand out for some land in NV. Heck I even just got screwed on buying my service weapon I carried for 20 years. Was told $329 with a 3 15rnd mags, but they wouldn't give them to since I retired 3 months ago. So I paid the $329, then it ran another $85 for background, Tax, DRO and had to wait 10 days to get it.

Only light here is the Gov. who likes 3 gun by the way vetoed a bill that would have made every Kalifornian register any and all weapons without a serial number, retroactive!! And we know that every law abiding citizen would have, just like the bad guys. 

...to complete your thought...would have done exactly as the citizens of Connecticut did when their over bearing idiot strewn government tried doing the same thing...hmmm civil insurrection there...
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on October 02, 2014, 03:24:32 PM
Sorta like the movement here (quelled by the courts again) about splitting the state. There has been a huge push for the state of Jefferson for many years a so many of us are tired of being told what we can't do by a couple big cities.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2014, 05:11:47 PM
Maybe in time the presidents speech about having been to all 57 states would come true!

Maryland is in the same boat...wanting a western MD and the eastern shore which is more like New England wants succession as well...State of Baltimore...The new social welfare state???
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on October 02, 2014, 05:12:49 PM
BTW,

I hope you proceed with a cummins burb project.

Let's stop wasting $$$ on swimming holes and get busy!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: BobbyB on October 29, 2014, 01:20:57 PM
So what'd you end up deciding to do with the Burb?
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 07, 2014, 09:55:32 PM
Been so busy haven't worked on this much. I did find a 14 bolt FF for the rear and it is 4.11 to match the front.

Can't unload right now as I am RR my hoist and will post that in the tool section. That was held up by my new Miller 211 acting up but that was simple fix.

I am leaning more towards the flop though right now, but nothing is solid.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: BobbyB on December 08, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
Fun times.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 09, 2014, 05:16:50 AM
Got a couple things working for the Burb now. Getting the Reg "fixed". (found a 3/4 ton diesel getting parted out with a clear title) but nothing settled yet.

Even though it is a 1/2 ton it is very clean and would be ashame to let it go. As for beefing up the frame it is more or less clear from the rear springs to the front shackles. So boxing all that is deff and option.

Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 09, 2014, 02:11:26 PM
Good to hear things are moving along! 

A few years back, Don and I looked at a local, similar vintage 3/4 or 1ton Chevy Crewcab that the owner had swapped a 6bt into.  Boxing and reinforcement are a must even on the 3/4 and 1-ton frames.  You really need a front cross-member also.  This guy didn't do any of that.

At idle, when you cycled the steering, the frame would twist and flex more than an inch!

Good score on the FF 14bolt!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 09, 2014, 02:22:05 PM
Have been doing the research and will do cross-over streering at least, maybe a booster too.

Unloading the 14b now, think it is a van rear 67 incher so will probably need truck hubs.

If a nice burb does not come up I have a frame with vin available from a 85 diesel. Would be able to do the frame work easy but have done it body on before too. Not sure if the frame thickness of .015 is worth the trouble of a swap.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 09, 2014, 03:29:50 PM
JR, look what I found:

I want it...I want it...

http://cosprings.craigslist.org/cto/4774578500.html
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 09, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
Then Duane found this:

http://westslope.craigslist.org/cto/4792294673.html
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 09, 2014, 07:39:19 PM
Then Duane found this:

http://westslope.craigslist.org/cto/4792294673.html

Its gone...
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: cudakidd53 on December 09, 2014, 07:46:05 PM
Is that a stock color for 6BT Cummins?  Looks VERY familiar........ :)
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 09, 2014, 07:48:18 PM
I think Don got it and put the motor in his garage.

The rear is 4.10 but think it is an open diff. Now to find truck hubs for less than I paid for the whole rear.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 12, 2014, 02:39:03 AM
Hey, what are DOTs doing in here.

Anyway alone with the 14b I also have a Dana 60 from the 6BT truck that will probably find its way into this.

Starting on the 14b soon, the thread is here; http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=593.0
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Nate on December 12, 2014, 07:54:02 AM
You can not escape the DOT's, we are every where...........:D
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: BobbyB on December 12, 2014, 11:03:52 AM
You can not escape the DOT's, we are every where...........:D

And we are many..
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 12, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
HA! On this thread, even I am one!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 13, 2014, 12:20:28 AM
Man, look what I found just 2 hours away;

http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/4798628400.html

But this is just plain nice!!

http://eugene.craigslist.org/cto/4748476480.html
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 13, 2014, 04:14:55 AM
I got a line going on the first one. Looks like a clean cali truck with a clear DIESEL title, 3/4 ton. Only bad is it has a tailgate and a red interior. He is already dropped it some but this maybe good for a body swap.

Thoughts??
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 13, 2014, 08:30:49 AM
I got a line going on the first one. Looks like a clean cali truck with a clear DIESEL title, 3/4 ton. Only bad is it has a tailgate and a red interior. He is already dropped it some but this maybe good for a body swap.

Thoughts??

That's a good one. Already has a 14bolt rear axle in it.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 13, 2014, 08:34:27 AM
At $20,000, the one in Eugene is on the top end of the daily driver price range.  Its nice too though.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 13, 2014, 08:51:06 AM
I think the 20K one is over priced and rough.
The motor is not from a dodge truck but some commercial application. The "After-cooler is bolted to the intake. Good motor but limited with that after-cooler/intercooler

Other one would be a nice score, best buy of the two. But I think that 14 bolt is a semi floater...could be wrong with it being a diesel. Also not aware of a 12 bolt front...GM put 10 bolt's in 3/4 ton just like early F250's had thick axle tube D44's. I know, I bought one once.

Seems you could cummins up the diesel selection and be title perfect.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: KensAuto on December 13, 2014, 12:50:19 PM
yeah, my 73 has a d44....but, I have a 1 ton D60 (or D70?.? icr) I was going to mod and install. The problem is, I never have busted that little 44, so I'm kinda partial to it.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 13, 2014, 01:57:17 PM
I'm waiting for more pictures, it will have a corp 10 bolt front and a SF 14 bolt in back. Both will come out for a dana 60 and 14b FF and of course the 6bt

No engine or tranny and the tires/wheels in the picture are not on it.

I don't like;

Back fees due of around $200 (plus Ca tax and a 400 mile drive)

Red Interior

Tailgate

I do like;

California truck=no rust!!!

I prefer the GMC grill to the Chevy

3/4 ton=heavier frame,

Pre 96 diesel, no smog ever but still a legal swap here in KALI.

Will have PS brake booster already.


With all this it could be an good frame swap. I mean its a few plugs and what, 6 bolts for the body? I would want the front end off for the swap anyway. Sure wish I had a BIG GARAGE!!!
 
I would get my clean barn door body with nice interior, keep the GMC grill and it would be perfect!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: BobbyB on December 13, 2014, 02:49:45 PM
I like the first one.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 13, 2014, 04:48:31 PM
Me too, I would never pay that for a sub, even with a cummins.

Looks like I might get the first one then just do a cab swap so I get the barn doors and a great interior.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 13, 2014, 04:48:59 PM
I'm waiting for more pictures, it will have a corp 10 bolt front and a SF 14 bolt in back. Both will come out for a dana 60 and 14b FF and of course the 6bt

No engine or tranny and the tires/wheels in the picture are not on it.

I don't like;

Back fees due of around $200 (plus Ca tax and a 400 mile drive)

Red Interior

Tailgate

I do like;

California truck=no rust!!!

I prefer the GMC grill to the Chevy

3/4 ton=heavier frame,

Pre 96 diesel, no smog ever but still a legal swap here in KALI.

Will have PS brake booster already.


With all this it could be an good frame swap. I mean its a few plugs and what, 6 bolts for the body? I would want the front end off for the swap anyway. Sure wish I had a BIG GARAGE!!!
 
I would get my clean barn door body with nice interior, keep the GMC grill and it would be perfect!
I like how this is shaping up if you buy the diesel and do the frame swap

I like the barn doors as well...don't need no stinkin tailgate!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 13, 2014, 05:25:52 PM
I just need to borrow a trailer to go get it, then explain to the wife why I have another one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 14, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
Doing research I find that DieselPower Mag did a Doomsday Suburban build in 7 parts. I am reading it now getting ideas.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 15, 2014, 03:35:01 AM
Decisions, decisions,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Found this local and looks like a keeper. 2500 1991 with barn doors. Ruff inside and gas but legal to swap the 6BT into.

With what I can flip the 1500 91 for and the motor and tranny from this I will be ahead!!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 15, 2014, 07:03:30 AM
Does that Warn 8274 come with it?  Best winch ever made, IMO.

Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2014, 07:43:44 AM
Concur with bonehead here

That 8724 is like my old 64 SS impala (My first car) just a classic

It wouldn't be enough for that hefty burb, but I'm guessing it would fit on Duane's jeep well enough!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: KensAuto on December 15, 2014, 09:34:34 AM
X3 on the winch!!
.. does it have a stick sticking up from the floor? Forestry burbs were known for that, not that that has anything to do with it being gubberment...
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2014, 09:37:23 AM
Been talking to Duane

We need that winch, so JR buy that burb!

Duane will pay something for the winch carcass, but he wants to tear it down and rebuild it to new condition on this site, then install it in his jeep.

How is it that you are coming up with so many good buildable burbs up there?

Seriously...I might want to jump in this myself!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 15, 2014, 10:16:22 AM
Yep, Im happy with this one and it is not 3 hours away!! Hopefully I can look at it today.

Its all mechanical, floor shift, crank windows even looks like locking hubs. I'm guessing it has a 400 tranny maybe even a BB.

I can even drive it home!!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 15, 2014, 10:47:25 AM
Just got hooked up with the guy, should look at it today. He said most don't want to come out to where it is. Point Reyes which is above SF right on the coast, just 60 miles from me and a killer drive!

It has a 350, surface rust and a bad front fender which is coming off for the transplant anyway. He said the only issue is about 5 antenna holes up top (why do you guys do that)

Interior is bare, no rear AC (whaa)
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Nate on December 15, 2014, 11:20:20 AM
sweet find
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2014, 11:40:49 AM
Keeper!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 15, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
Crank windows and manual everything are the way to go! fewer electromechanical components to fail.

If you do get it and want to part with the winch, let me know.  I got talked into letting my last 8274 go with the last CJ7 I sold about 14 years ago. Regretted it ever since...
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: KensAuto on December 15, 2014, 02:51:20 PM
Yep, Im happy with this one and it is not 3 hours away!! Hopefully I can look at it today.

Its all mechanical, floor shift, crank windows even looks like locking hubs. I'm guessing it has a 400 tranny maybe even a BB.

I can even drive it home!!
So it's an Automatic, and someone installed a floor shifter....or you talkin' bout the 4wd has a floor shifter?
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 15, 2014, 03:23:28 PM
Yes its an auto with a 350. Was going look at it today but raining, so Weds is the day now.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Bob/OlallaWa on December 15, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
Yes its an auto with a 350. Was going look at it today but raining, so Weds is the day now.

You really don't let a bit of rain stop you? Outside of August and September we would get nothing done if we did that. I thought you guys needed some rain down there, enjoy it while you can.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Nate on December 15, 2014, 04:43:06 PM
come on now bob, we all know commiefornia likes to cry about things.  jr is a rare find out there and is just trying to work with the folks he has to deal with........:D
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 15, 2014, 05:27:51 PM
Heck, doesn't bother me but the seller complained. Rain is when you can't see across the street. We've had an inch in a day, wow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not

I'm sure as hell not gonna melt!

My only issue with the rain is keeping the pool from running over.

Have some great stories of the rain, one reason I love tall trucks.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 15, 2014, 06:16:28 PM
Heck, doesn't bother me but the seller complained. Rain is when you can't see across the street. We've had an inch in a day, wow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not

I'm sure as hell not gonna melt!

My only issue with the rain is keeping the pool from running over.

Have some great stories of the rain, one reason I love tall trucks.
You afraid of a little rain JR?  ;-))
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 15, 2014, 09:50:52 PM
Yep, I am a wimp  ;)

Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 16, 2014, 10:39:19 PM
Ok, going to get it Weds. morning. No back fees and it runs and stops. I will just clean it up some and drive as is until I flip the other. The biggest part will be the rear end and paint.

Not sure if the winch will be there or not, he may have sold it but as of today he said it is still there. Not a deal breaker for me but I know others are interested.

Nice thing is I have all the main parts for the swap, engine-tranny-tcase-axles. Just going to have to source a lift, brake booster and the lines for it. Only real custom parts will be the drive lines.

Thinking about a 6 inch lift using 4 in springs in the front and flipped rear shackles. All new springs of course as these are 20+ years old. Want to keep the springs flatter so mounts and shackles will need some fabing.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2014, 07:59:37 AM
JR,
Check out Jungle Jim over at Ramcharger Central. He sells parts for the Dodge chassis, however look at his many references and you will see what to do.

I'd use 1 ton early Chevy springs up front with a leaf or two missing just like I did, and 2000 Silverado 2500 rear springs out back. With a shackle flip that's +4.5-5" all way around, and handling the weight of a Cummins.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Flyin6 on December 17, 2014, 06:47:54 PM
So, did you get it?
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: Dustoff35 on December 17, 2014, 08:00:35 PM
Just remember, no pics, it didn't happen...
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 19, 2014, 11:58:18 PM
Ah it did and we have pictures,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,New thread split off from here is here;

http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=623.msg7253#msg7253

So now that I have a new 23 year old toy (boy could I go with that) this thread will cover the flip of the 1500 Sub.

I got this to put the 6BT into;

Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build, maybe flip or 6BT?
Post by: JR on December 20, 2014, 12:00:11 AM
I paid a little less than that for it on CL.

The bumper will go onto the 1500 here along with a winch I've had on my shelf for years.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on December 29, 2014, 08:33:46 PM
Been neglecting this lady lately but the 2500 is why. As of now the 2500 is purring like a kitten with all 206k miles on it. Found it had a 4L80 tranny that seems to be newer so I really got a deal.

So I will finish off the 1500 and get her sold to recover some funds and help me with 2500 parts. With a little paint and only 85k on this I feel I can get well over 3k for it if not more.

It will get the winch bumper from the 2500 and a nice 6k winch I have had for some time.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on December 31, 2014, 09:19:32 PM
Ok, got a little more done today. First came fixing the wiring under the dash. The guy who had this worked for a auto stereo store. This thing had EVERYTHING from an alarm to cross-overs and extra speakers everywhere!!

The bad part was it was bypassing the starter, the radio was gone and a couple speakers were missing. I had to drop part of the dash to get at some of it.

So the first thing was to hook up the starter circut. 3 wires had been cut under the column. Not bad to find and match them up. I left 1 wire long as I plan on some kind of ignition disconnect. The tilt wheel is loose too meaning off comes the upper assembly.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on December 31, 2014, 10:15:03 PM
Just noticed there are hardly any inside pics. She is kinda a storage unit now since I don't have a maple tree, but these will give you an idea. She is clean and one reason I got it.

Here is a picture of the crossovers, alarm and cell phone that was mounted in there. All those wires you see on the floor are what I removed!!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: KensAuto on December 31, 2014, 10:15:18 PM
Man that interior looks pretty good from this angle!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on December 31, 2014, 10:18:11 PM
Man that interior looks pretty good from this angle!

It is and I will post more shots as I clean it out this next week. I plan on driving it to Ontario, Ca for a trade show.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on December 31, 2014, 11:28:01 PM
Now this part almost needs its own thread, but here goes;

"WHAT IS THAT ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD"?

So I am getting on the freeway and I see this red thing next to the local Sonic fence. Looks like an Optima battery so later I go by and walk around the fence. Yes it is and in pretty good shape! So I grab it and look it over and it has a cable burn all the way around one side like a cable shorted out and melted through the case. I figure what the heck and throw it in the truck and bring it home. Date reads mid 2012 and it has the top posts only with clear labeling, 800cca.

When I get it home, I see the coils have been exposed all the way from the top to the bottom. I see nothing oozing out so I brush it off and clean up the melted areas. I figure what the heck and mix up some JB Weld and fill the voids, taking my time and doing all 3 sides separately. They seem to fill very well and the edges are rough so the epoxy has something to bond to.

She looks good, so I put it on a slow charge and all seems good. It is showing 11.5 volts before the charge and it comes right up to over 12 right away. Later I charge it at 6 amps and she goes though a normal charge and tops at over 13volts. I let it sit around and a few days later it is still over 12 volts, so I figure I made out on his thing and got a good battery.

So for the week I run a few pumps, run some lights and do some general work and she is holding strong at over 12v the whole time.

So I figure, why not put it into the 1500!!!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on December 31, 2014, 11:52:40 PM
The battery in the 1500 was an old Less Schwab and was beginning not to stay charged more than a few days. Couldn't blame it before but now the alarm is gone so not holding a charge is no excuse!!

When I turned the key after the ignition repair, it did click, but that was it.

So I mount up the Optima with new clamps plus I was able to mount it so the Pos was away form the body unlike the other battery.

Add a little loom over the cables, tie them up keeping the cables from rubbing and viola!!

Just need to finish the new ignition wires (full tuneup w/fluids) that are a pain on these things and then turn it around for the new to it 9.5 posi!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on January 03, 2015, 11:08:20 PM
Been trying to get it to fire right now. Got much of the under dash wiring fixed but not cleaned up.

She turns over, but no go. Got spark, noid test shows the injectors are getting power and power to the relay looks good. Doesn't fire at all and no fuel even with a little spray down the blades. Pretty sure it is the pump but not alot of time to play with it right now. One more test at the harness in back then the pump gets replaced.

Pulled the warn off the 2500 so I can send her out monday
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on July 16, 2015, 03:38:17 AM
I need to flip this Sub and have been watching for similar trucks to base my sale on. This was just sold on ebay, higher miles and upgraded running gear, similar to mine.

I was hoping for 3k and think I will be OK. Here is a link but I know it wont last as long as the capture.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-GMC-Suburban-sle-package-/111713832761?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&nma=true&si=2YHMMZavKrK7YJIJoO6Hxew8O%252BY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 16, 2015, 11:02:56 AM
Looks like that thing sold already

Nice find there
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on July 16, 2015, 12:07:19 PM
Yep, I was watching to see the selling price. Mine has 50k fewer miles and will have 3/4 drive train.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: Flyin6 on July 16, 2015, 07:02:50 PM
So, $4300 ish is typical?

I'm asking because that is darned good IMHO

Rust free body is priceless in itself. Then a 14 bolt, maybe a D60 if you're lucky...Maybe a NP205...Maybe a pot of gold!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on July 16, 2015, 07:57:07 PM
The one sold has a 10 bolt GM front, called a big knuckle for the 8 lugs. The 14ff with discs is big. The rest looks to be stock. Prob 9/16 studs.

Mine has the same 10 bolt front with 6 lugs. I am swapping in a 14corp semi floater with 14mm studs and will convert the front to the same 14mm. That and just 85k with no rust truck I should do good. 14mm is well shy of 9/16 but much better than the 7/16 stock!!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on September 27, 2018, 04:36:30 PM
Bringing this back to life a little as this is getting flipped now. Besides it is the right thread for it as some mods might say,,,,,,,,,,

It is up for sale on both pirate and CL, with a little attention. Running and sitting on all 4 would be a good option.

Pulled the blown 10 bolt rear out, prepping the 9.5. My cycle jack with a peice of wood works great!

Turns over fine with another battery. The found optima dropped a cell, but it was free! Has spark but no fuel, so first is to jusp the pump and check pressure.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on October 03, 2018, 12:26:59 AM
Cleaning this is a bare, think I will have the D60 blasted for the Dmax.

Have a solid bite on the flip of this, just need to mount the 9.5 after a little more cleanup.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: EL TATE on October 03, 2018, 09:50:11 AM
While you're in there, check the flywheel and cam gear for missing teeth or hairline cracks.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on October 03, 2018, 02:05:30 PM
Will look at it, thx.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on October 10, 2018, 08:48:12 PM
Cleaned, painted and installed. Did way to much cleaning for a flip, but thats me.

Getting the drums turned and had to get longer lug nuts for the 14mm studs. Drive line matced up to boot.

Got another interested in it and the guy at O'Riely's turning the drum said I should ask more.
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: cruizng on October 11, 2018, 07:46:37 AM
Cleaned, painted and installed. Did way to much cleaning for a flip, but thats me.

Getting the drums turned and had to get longer lug nuts for the 14mm studs. Drive line matced up to boot.

Got another interested in it and the guy at O'Riely's turning the drum said I should ask more.

You clean up nicely!  :likebutton:
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 11, 2018, 10:21:43 PM
That looks nice and shiny new!! 


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Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on October 13, 2018, 04:11:07 PM
Used the scaler for those hard to get to parts, worked great (as I said, I cleaned to much)

Old brake lines worked fine. Fuel pump is bad, tried to jump it but nothing. Getting this running should up the $$ some for sure! Going to cut a hole vs drop the tank, just seems easier. 

Paint the hood black, use bedliner under the side trim and TSC desert tan for the rest. Should look good!
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on October 14, 2018, 03:42:18 AM
Did I mention I hate doing drum brakes?
Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: Bigdave_185 on October 14, 2018, 11:04:42 AM
I have never had to do them.  Best of luck


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Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: KensAuto on October 14, 2018, 11:53:26 AM
You turned that diff into a Mona Lisa with a needle scaler, but you don't like to do drum brakes? 
 :facepalm:  JR

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Title: Re: 1991 Suburban Build for a flip. Former 6BT candidate.
Post by: JR on October 14, 2018, 02:41:26 PM
Yep, even converted my first 9.5 to disc with my own brackets.

This will be on its own wheels tonight.