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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #150 on: September 29, 2015, 09:27:03 AM »
Did you get that pump from Hungry Diesel for the VE? If you did.... that's a 14 or 15psi pump, not enough. He changes them to a low pressure spring for the VE. Call him.... but I am sure you can just get a stock 2nd Gen spring, install it, and have the correct pump. I ran 3/8 line to my VE from the pump...what I don't remember is if I used adapter fittings or what LoL  I can look-see in the morning for you.....
Hungry Diesel...sounds familiar, not sure. Found him on 1stGen.com  I think he drives a Cummins RC like you. Sold me that little tach too...
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« Reply #151 on: September 29, 2015, 09:31:11 AM »
I an currently running a 1/2 line from the sump to the mechanical pump, I am running Hungry Diesel modified piston pump and I have a low pressure light from a Gen2 setup and I had a gauge on it when I first installed just to see what I had it was around if I remember correctly.  The only reason I did that was if I ever wanted to run a turned up Ppump motor I already had everything in place.  But I am running a VE setup right now.

1.  P/N 4988747 pump "unmodified"
2.  P/N 3914753 Fuel Tube  from pump to fitler housing
3.  P/N 3914284  Spacer
4.  P/N 3963983  sealing washer
5.  P/N ???????  mounting gaskets 2ea cant find the bag!!

BTW everything was made in China from Cummins.
So according to Norm, I need to swap out the pump spring...should be easy if I can find the spring

Now about the spacer...Use it or lose it on a P-Pump motor?
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #152 on: September 29, 2015, 10:20:56 AM »
Dan the Man finished up the aux tank I had him build for Square D

Here is the pick up tube inside the tank:
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« Reply #153 on: September 29, 2015, 10:22:00 AM »
Pick up, vent line and filler neck attachment
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« Reply #154 on: September 29, 2015, 10:23:44 AM »
The man does great work! You may recall that super heavy duty water/methanol tank he built which is resting within the frame rails in the back...This is more of the same!

This is the fuel level float from the inside with the internal baffle right behind it:
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« Reply #155 on: September 29, 2015, 10:24:50 AM »
The tank as it sits now. I said it's finished, but actually Dan has to weld a small shelf on it to serve as a fuel pump mount.
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #156 on: September 29, 2015, 11:06:11 AM »
I an currently running a 1/2 line from the sump to the mechanical pump, I am running Hungry Diesel modified piston pump and I have a low pressure light from a Gen2 setup and I had a gauge on it when I first installed just to see what I had it was around if I remember correctly.  The only reason I did that was if I ever wanted to run a turned up Ppump motor I already had everything in place.  But I am running a VE setup right now.

1.  P/N 4988747 pump "unmodified"
2.  P/N 3914753 Fuel Tube  from pump to fitler housing
3.  P/N 3914284  Spacer
4.  P/N 3963983  sealing washer
5.  P/N ???????  mounting gaskets 2ea cant find the bag!!

BTW everything was made in China from Cummins.
So according to Norm, I need to swap out the pump spring...should be easy if I can find the spring

Now about the spacer...Use it or lose it on a P-Pump motor?

I am pretty sure you can just get the standard Gen 2 piston pump, the reason I got the one from Hungry Diesel was the VE pump I'm running cant take the stock pressure of the Gen 2 lift pumps, the guy at Hungry Diesel changes the spring out on a new pump so that the pump only produces 10-12psi.  I believe you still need to run the spacer and just the standard pump from Cummins, I'm sure Norm can correct me if my assumption is not correct.

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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #157 on: September 29, 2015, 11:28:10 AM »
Norm...??
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« Reply #158 on: September 29, 2015, 11:59:13 AM »
Norm suggested the Hungry Diesel pump to me also. Pricey but way less than a high end lift pump and should do you.

Says the piston is larger??
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #159 on: September 29, 2015, 01:02:04 PM »
I think Don got the newer/larger pump iirc. He had a stocker, then changed to a larger one, then blocked it off. Don't remember mentioning a spring change tho.
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #160 on: September 29, 2015, 01:37:43 PM »
I think Don got the newer/larger pump iirc. He had a stocker, then changed to a larger one, then blocked it off. Don't remember mentioning a spring change tho.
No, I just bolted it on the way it changed
I used that spacer in the truck bed build as a bulkhead panel...remember?
So to use this pump I will need the mo-bigger spring, correct fittings, and figure out if I need that spacer or not.
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« Reply #161 on: September 29, 2015, 01:45:56 PM »
I just sent Hungry Diesel an email, we'll see what he says
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« Reply #162 on: September 29, 2015, 01:52:22 PM »
Ugg. I thought Cummins were supposed to be easy.

...I do remember the spacer/bulkhead thing now. I don't know why, but originally I thought you were talking about some kind of spacer for the p pump.
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #163 on: September 29, 2015, 02:29:15 PM »
You need the spacer Don..... sorry I was picking corn LoL Spacer is about $15 from Case IH

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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #164 on: September 29, 2015, 03:47:35 PM »
You need the spacer Don..... sorry I was picking corn LoL Spacer is about $15 from Case IH


OK Norm.
Sent an email to hungry diesel. Figure I'll pick up all the stuff from him. Nice guy there, very helpful.
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« Reply #165 on: September 29, 2015, 06:33:18 PM »
Just finished up with Eric Gilbert, owner of Hungry Diesel. This is the second or third time I have dealt with him, he's good people. Like Norm he knows quite a bit about these Cummins engines.

So he boxed up a the proper spring, a spacer and some gaskets. Should be here before long so I'll get it installed and see if I can clear up the smoke screen some
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« Reply #166 on: September 29, 2015, 08:12:37 PM »
Yah.... Eric is good people, If I buy Cummins performance parts I always try and give him my first choice. In fact he's going to hear from me soon, I have another project on deck.
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« Reply #167 on: September 29, 2015, 10:02:00 PM »
That. Tank. Looks fantastic.

I'd say you've got a keeper for projects of that nature!
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #168 on: September 29, 2015, 11:47:22 PM »
That. Tank. Looks fantastic.

I'd say you've got a keeper for projects of that nature!
I asked him if he is building them for public, and he said yes.

He can build nearly anything, but I'd say aluminum things is his specialty. If anyone is needing a specialized fuel or other tank, let me know
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« Reply #169 on: September 30, 2015, 05:29:31 PM »
Im gone for a few weeks, and come back to pumps, springs, a calculus lesson, engineering marathon, more pumps, let's add spacers, white smoke, ect.....    :o

I suggested wait for new years, Don gave us the smoke, now just wait for the fireworks! 

Keep pushing the ball down the field Don.  You'll get there sooner than later...

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« Reply #170 on: September 30, 2015, 06:35:44 PM »
Wow. Another Armalite sighting.  How's east texas?  Still got a burn ban?


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« Reply #171 on: September 30, 2015, 09:45:39 PM »
Im gone for a few weeks, and come back to pumps, springs, a calculus lesson, engineering marathon, more pumps, let's add spacers, white smoke, ect.....    :o

I suggested wait for new years, Don gave us the smoke, now just wait for the fireworks! 

Keep pushing the ball down the field Don.  You'll get there sooner than later...
^^^ Ash sighting right there!

Ash, good to see ya pop up. Yep we have smoke, and lots of it. Who knows, I might even get that thing running correctly with that old school mechanical pump going on!
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« Reply #172 on: October 01, 2015, 10:41:44 PM »
Still waiting for the fuel pump parts to show so we can go for another start
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« Reply #173 on: October 07, 2015, 05:43:15 PM »
OK, the Hungry Diesel parts showed up, so I'm about to go active on this thing

Something else showed up

Dan finished construction of my auxiliary fuel tank. I forgot how much fuel it holds
10" X 16" X 62" = 9920 cu in

That equals 42.94 gal, so around 38 gallons extra

Total fuel onboard will be 74 gallons
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« Reply #174 on: October 07, 2015, 05:45:37 PM »
Dan is opening a fabrication shop which can build bumpers, fuel tanks brackets, do-dads and who knows what. He is an experienced welder and owns some very capable machinery.

Here's some details of the tank, which has two internal baffles, not one
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« Reply #175 on: October 07, 2015, 05:47:15 PM »
Thinking: Paint or not to paint...

Was thinking not to paint, but am now thinking some nice white paint to brighten up the inside of the bed might be nice!

SquareD is eagerly awaiting the fuel pump addition!
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« Reply #176 on: October 07, 2015, 06:48:31 PM »
man that tank looks great. isn't white a little "anti tactical"?
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Re: SquareD Part 7 Start it up!
« Reply #177 on: October 07, 2015, 08:26:37 PM »
Really nice tank- don't paint it as it'll brighten up the bed as is.  I did just notice something on top of the cap- solar panels -are ripe for catching some branches etc. and getting torn off- did you already have a plan for preventing that?
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« Reply #178 on: October 07, 2015, 08:28:16 PM »
Is it just me or in that pic does that bike look like a little 80cc toy in front of that truck??
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« Reply #179 on: October 07, 2015, 08:36:00 PM »
Is it just me or in that pic does that bike look like a little 80cc toy in front of that truck??

It does- if not for Red Dog, you'd think it was an 80 cc Pre- Ranger Special!
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« Reply #180 on: October 07, 2015, 10:13:08 PM »
man that tank looks great. isn't white a little "anti tactical"?
Well, it's on the inside.
The inside of armored fighting vehicles, well some of them is white. Better for low illum opns as the wee little bit of light reflects all over showing your pearly white grill when you be skeered!
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« Reply #181 on: October 07, 2015, 10:14:53 PM »
Really nice tank- don't paint it as it'll brighten up the bed as is.  I did just notice something on top of the cap- solar panels -are ripe for catching some branches etc. and getting torn off- did you already have a plan for preventing that?
Yep, not done with that. I want to put a small basket/platform in front of the panel up there so I can sit in the lounge chair sippin' tea watchin' the sunsets
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« Reply #182 on: October 07, 2015, 10:16:01 PM »
Is it just me or in that pic does that bike look like a little 80cc toy in front of that truck??

It does- if not for Red Dog, you'd think it was an 80 cc Pre- Ranger Special!
I shrank the red dog in the heat during the dryer cycle last time I washed it!
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« Reply #183 on: October 07, 2015, 10:31:18 PM »
While over at Dan's shop today, he showed me this bumper he just fabbed up. He made this one out of 10 gage for his welding truck, and with no winch, but showing the quality of work he can produce. Keep in mind, this is all bent up from sheets of steel.
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« Reply #184 on: October 07, 2015, 10:36:42 PM »
Nice tank and bumper.

Bumper is different and adding guards is easy.

As for the tank, just spray it with bedliner, the cheap stuff as it is protected and will easy to touch up.
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« Reply #185 on: October 07, 2015, 10:38:19 PM »
Wow.  that's clean
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« Reply #186 on: October 07, 2015, 10:56:55 PM »
Very shiny, and different.
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« Reply #187 on: October 08, 2015, 12:28:34 AM »
Did I miss the information on the tank builder? Wouldn't be surprised if I did, but if not I would sure be interested in knowing his contact information for a number of projects I don't seem to have time for.

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« Reply #188 on: October 08, 2015, 03:17:28 AM »
Thinking: Paint or not to paint...

Was thinking not to paint, but am now thinking some nice white paint to brighten up the inside of the bed might be nice!

SquareD is eagerly awaiting the fuel pump addition!

Don't paint the bed. The inside of the topper is white correct? If it still is, leave that white, you put/plan on putting lights or lightstrips inside there anyway.

IF all else fails just put some of those tap lights inside the topper, stuck to the roof, tap them on, then off when done. They can easily be removed, just leaves some hook and pile tape squares to reattach later.
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« Reply #189 on: October 08, 2015, 09:28:55 AM »
Did I miss the information on the tank builder? Wouldn't be surprised if I did, but if not I would sure be interested in knowing his contact information for a number of projects I don't seem to have time for.
He is Dan Kuchle (Cook-Lee) 859 760-0448
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« Reply #190 on: October 08, 2015, 08:09:27 PM »
Here is that fuel pump spring from "The Hungry Diesel" I needed along with the spacer
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« Reply #191 on: October 08, 2015, 08:11:10 PM »
The inlet fitting is good to go, however the outlet needed some adapting to work.

For the first iteration I went with a straight 1/4" NPT barbed to 1/2" hose
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« Reply #192 on: October 08, 2015, 08:12:27 PM »
I pulled the top of the pump apart to inspect for black widows or mud daubers
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« Reply #193 on: October 08, 2015, 08:13:23 PM »
Then the spring housing
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« Reply #194 on: October 08, 2015, 08:14:05 PM »
The black spring is the one needed for a P-Pump application
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« Reply #195 on: October 08, 2015, 08:15:35 PM »
To get this to work, Ansen over at Parker hose found a cool, British pipe thread fitting with a captured rubber O-ring that worked perfectly
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« Reply #196 on: October 08, 2015, 08:17:04 PM »
I didn't know it, but that outlet would be at the wrong angle and way too close to the sound proof piece right above the fuel pump on the block

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« Reply #197 on: October 08, 2015, 08:18:03 PM »
With a thin coat of RTV Black, the gaskets and spacer buildup is complete, and everything fits!
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« Reply #198 on: October 08, 2015, 08:18:37 PM »
But that da-gone fitting was just too close!
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« Reply #199 on: October 08, 2015, 08:20:52 PM »
I solved the dilemma by installing two 1/4" NPT 45 degree fittings, clocking the whole thing to get me the perfect angle. With that done I attached the hoses, primed the mess and fired it up


and got this again!!!!!!

No kidding those pics were taken after 15 minutes of running two fans to clear out the smoke
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