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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #500 on: July 13, 2018, 07:42:30 PM »
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #501 on: August 10, 2018, 11:42:56 AM »
Question to you knowledgeable (very) few :wink:

Suppose I just take the automatic transmission out altogether?

And install a 5 speed or a 6 speed NV trans. Would that make more sense than trying to sort through this torque converter to flywheel mismatch and how to get the electronic part of the trans (Overdrive) to work somewhat automatically?

Thinking out loud here boys and girlz. Haven't purchased the first drop of manual trans fluid yet...

Good idea? Bad idea???

I would like to get the thing running/driving and I am wondering if this isn't the overall easiest route to getting there.
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« Reply #502 on: August 10, 2018, 12:02:11 PM »
BIG D, I HOPE YOU FIGURE IT OUT, I'D LOVE TO SEE IT ON THE ROAD SOON

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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #503 on: August 10, 2018, 12:17:35 PM »
Manual sure makes a lot of things simple with the exception of you needing to than install a clutch pedal but I bet you can faber cobble something together


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« Reply #504 on: August 10, 2018, 12:54:35 PM »
I know a really smart, good lookin' fella who's company just so happens to reman some of the best manual transmissions out there...  :rolleyes: Feelin like a drive out to MN? Don't we have some members out there? anyone near Rochester?
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #505 on: August 10, 2018, 02:42:22 PM »
I know a really smart, good lookin' fella who's company just so happens to reman some of the best manual transmissions out there...  :rolleyes: Feelin like a drive out to MN? Don't we have some members out there? anyone near Rochester?

Tate, I don?t reman transmissions and I live in Hippyland
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #506 on: August 10, 2018, 03:06:04 PM »
My vote is to just have it fixed...still cheaper and easier, as long as the trans is good (hopefully)
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #507 on: August 10, 2018, 03:24:45 PM »
My vote is to just have it fixed...still cheaper and easier, as long as the trans is good (hopefully)
Well it was professionally rebuilt.

I am just floating ideas as I prepare to get back into that thing
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« Reply #508 on: August 10, 2018, 03:32:47 PM »
I'm a big fan of manual trannies. Simpler, less to go wrong. But that's just me.
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #509 on: August 10, 2018, 04:35:18 PM »
Hey Don,

If your really going to get rid of that setup let me know, I would be interested in buying it from you.

One other thing to consider, can everyone that you plan on letting operate SqD, do they know how to drive a stick if you do convert it?  Something to consider!  If you are out somewhere and get hurt can the person with you drive the truck? 

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« Reply #510 on: August 10, 2018, 05:34:32 PM »
I think something along that line was stated when he was building the darned thing; hard to steer, shift, and reload, why not take one out of the equation. I was just thinking out loud, as I know we're promoting the heck out of the Zumbrota side of the company after the acquisition. Write ups make for good marketing:-)
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #511 on: August 10, 2018, 06:37:21 PM »
Love to see it going again. I think going with the manual would be a great idea, from the beginning.

Now that the auto is in there, just get it going. Between linkages and drive shafts you would have a new buildup.
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #512 on: August 10, 2018, 07:04:10 PM »
Hey Don,

If your really going to get rid of that setup let me know, I would be interested in buying it from you.

One other thing to consider, can everyone that you plan on letting operate SqD, do they know how to drive a stick if you do convert it?  Something to consider!  If you are out somewhere and get hurt can the person with you drive the truck?

Funny you mention that, I just read a statistic that only 18% of the American population can drive a manual.
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« Reply #513 on: August 10, 2018, 07:39:16 PM »
And now with self driving cars being touted about, they would have to be auto.

But with cars now being push button start, shift and even the parking brake, you could be safe for a long time.
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #514 on: August 10, 2018, 09:49:04 PM »
Hey Don,

If your really going to get rid of that setup let me know, I would be interested in buying it from you.

One other thing to consider, can everyone that you plan on letting operate SqD, do they know how to drive a stick if you do convert it?  Something to consider!  If you are out somewhere and get hurt can the person with you drive the truck? 
Hey Phil, I'll PM or email you to discuss
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« Reply #515 on: August 10, 2018, 09:57:33 PM »
Love to see it going again. I think going with the manual would be a great idea, from the beginning.

Now that the auto is in there, just get it going. Between linkages and drive shafts you would have a new buildup.
JR, I don't think it would be all that difficult a process. Basically just a R&R installing the new stuff, find a pedal, see if the driveshaft lengths need adjusting and just like that, I'd be cookin' with bacon grease!

As for others not being able to drive a stick, I don't see that as a problem. I do however see a manual (Clutch) adversely affecting the ability to drive if I was all buggered up...
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #516 on: August 10, 2018, 10:33:27 PM »
It?s kind of like all my bumper pull trailers used to be pintle hitch, no one could borrow them.....
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #517 on: August 10, 2018, 11:49:00 PM »
Don't get me wrong a manual would be great. Would like on in the sub too.

Only start stopping would really slow you down if hurt. Not real hard to shift on rpm, sure you could handle it.
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #518 on: August 11, 2018, 12:14:02 AM »
If it were mine I would fix the auto, I just paid $600+ for a new rear shaft in the jk. Not to mention the trans issue is probably a half a day fix for a guy who knows what he?s doing & knows which parts to have on stand by. Nothing against you or your mechanics but if they don?t deal with that regularly then you get what I?m saying.
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« Reply #519 on: August 11, 2018, 09:11:08 AM »
If it were mine I would fix the auto, I just paid $600+ for a new rear shaft in the jk. Not to mention the trans issue is probably a half a day fix for a guy who knows what he?s doing & knows which parts to have on stand by. Nothing against you or your mechanics but if they don?t deal with that regularly then you get what I?m saying.
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Besides, I did this so I guess I should take the beating and fix it myself.
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #520 on: August 11, 2018, 01:07:24 PM »
Leave it the way it is and get it running. No need to swap transmission at this point. However if the cost to fix is more than you wish to put on the line, then sell it and look for a new project, like the XJs you want to build. How many headaches have you had since this project started and how many do you think you're going to continue to have whilst fighting the timelines?

You can potentially part it out or sell whole and cover the cost of purchasing and most upgrades/fixes on the potential XJs or a new project, or fix Sarge or get something you need down on the farm.
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« Reply #521 on: August 11, 2018, 04:23:24 PM »
I know a really smart, good lookin' fella who's company just so happens to reman some of the best manual transmissions out there...  :rolleyes: Feelin like a drive out to MN? Don't we have some members out there? anyone near Rochester?
Tate. I'm only two hours from Rochester.
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« Reply #522 on: August 11, 2018, 06:22:27 PM »
Leave it the way it is and get it running. No need to swap transmission at this point. However if the cost to fix is more than you wish to put on the line, then sell it and look for a new project, like the XJs you want to build. How many headaches have you had since this project started and how many do you think you're going to continue to have whilst fighting the timelines?

You can potentially part it out or sell whole and cover the cost of purchasing and most upgrades/fixes on the potential XJs or a new project, or fix Sarge or get something you need down on the farm.
Bobby, you been talking to my Frau?

She wants me to part it out or sell it complete.

She (Rightly??) thinks I have too many irons in the fire, and need to move on from this headache. She points out that we have grandkids, commitments, a farm, a house to constantly repair, and did I mention, we have a farm?

So, yea. Phil is interested in the transmission. The motor would go quickly for a pretty good penny considering what it is. But after that, I think it would be a slow process. I'd never recover for the countless hours, and that truck is now in really great shape.

My inclination is to fix it and drive it some.
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« Reply #523 on: August 11, 2018, 09:53:53 PM »
If I had that much time invested in a project I don?t think I could just part it out and end it.


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« Reply #524 on: August 11, 2018, 10:00:53 PM »
I seem to recall an offer from Norm to get it sorted out??


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« Reply #525 on: August 11, 2018, 10:54:24 PM »
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« Reply #526 on: August 12, 2018, 01:45:56 AM »
I seem to recall several offers to get r done, Take em up!!!

Speaking of to many projects, this followed me home today;
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« Reply #527 on: August 12, 2018, 08:36:13 AM »
Nice Jr. Is that a glastron with a mercruiser v6?


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« Reply #528 on: August 12, 2018, 02:42:51 PM »
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Well, I do appreciate the help offers.

The motor is sorted out, now only the
1. Torque converter fitment
2. Hydro brake system keeps blowing out seals
3. Figuring out how to get the trans to shift while having no computer any longer
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I think that is about it for the big issues.
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« Reply #529 on: August 12, 2018, 02:54:00 PM »
That?s a short list really, suck it up buttercup
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« Reply #530 on: August 12, 2018, 02:56:13 PM »
That?s a short list really, suck it up buttercup
But you know how work, works, right

First rule of work: You must first work just to be able to work

Second rule: Work begat work

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« Reply #531 on: August 12, 2018, 03:40:09 PM »
You know the only person who cares about the excuses you?re making right?  :popcorn:
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« Reply #532 on: August 12, 2018, 05:02:09 PM »
Here is a link for a kit for the tranny. Little pricey but you can do it on your own too.

https://transmissioncenter.net/shop/47rh-overdrive-made-to-work-without-a-computer-made-for-diesels-without-vacuum/
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« Reply #533 on: August 12, 2018, 10:33:32 PM »
Here is a link for a kit for the tranny. Little pricey but you can do it on your own too.

https://transmissioncenter.net/shop/47rh-overdrive-made-to-work-without-a-computer-made-for-diesels-without-vacuum/
Thanks JR

Only thing I see with this kit that I question is that it is made for a 47RH. I have a 46RH transmission, no lockup converter.
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« Reply #534 on: August 12, 2018, 10:34:29 PM »
You know the only person who cares about the excuses you?re making right?  :popcorn:
No, of course not...I have no idea what you're referring to...
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« Reply #535 on: August 12, 2018, 11:22:46 PM »
LoL I am trying to understand? Swap to a manual now? I have Done this swap a few times.......

You need a Nv4500/Getrag transmission.
29 Spline transfer case
flywheel/bellhousing (For which ever trans your using)
Clutch
Blockplate
Pedals/hyd slave/master/under dash brace for the master
Cross-member
Both driveshafts

Other small parts.

This is a lot more work than just sourcing the correct block plate, flex plate combination. Bolting in a simple floor dimmer switch for the OD, and going for a drive.

2-4 hours to sort the trans....probably the same with the brakes...yr driving.

The 29 spline transfer cases are bringing close to a grand these days in nice shape used. A new NV 4500 is what $1700? (you want the newer updated 5th gear/shaft/nut like I used in Anvil)... Clutch that can handle a healthy cummins is $1500. (the south bend dual disc in Anvil was $2100)  Bell housing for the NV4500 $450 (advance adapters)

Driveshafts will be another expense. (The Stick shift trucks use thicker rear tube material for a reason)

I dunno Don.........
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« Reply #536 on: August 13, 2018, 07:33:58 AM »
I'm gettin' a lot of negative vibes here. :shocked:

Hadn't decided anything really, just floating ideas... :wink:
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« Reply #537 on: August 13, 2018, 12:50:25 PM »
Not negative at all Don....just providing you with the data you need to be a informed pilot. Maybe I should just sell you Anvil LoL

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« Reply #538 on: August 13, 2018, 09:39:53 PM »
Not negative at all Don....just providing you with the data you need to be a informed pilot. Maybe I should just sell you Anvil LoL

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Are we talkin a trade here Norm???
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« Reply #539 on: August 13, 2018, 09:53:54 PM »
Don't do it Don!!
I bet Anvil doesn't have any fancy stickers, and if it did, they would probably say something like              "Vote for Alexandria Cortez" on a blue background!  :popcorn:
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« Reply #540 on: August 14, 2018, 12:53:43 AM »
Don....what ya offering to trade?

Ken.... I had to look her up LoL FWIW Kay thinks Trump is a bit left for her taste.

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« Reply #541 on: October 27, 2018, 12:16:18 PM »
Is this thing on the road yet?

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« Reply #542 on: October 27, 2018, 12:38:51 PM »
I think they are having a service and mounting a memorial in front of it.
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« Reply #543 on: October 27, 2018, 12:51:55 PM »
It seemed like it was so close.  Admittedly, I didn't read every recent post about it though.

I'm a little saddened by that, as square d was what brought me here.  If you made that truck a crew cab, it'd pretty much be my dream truck. Lol

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« Reply #544 on: October 27, 2018, 02:54:01 PM »
Square D is what started this whole thing.  I think it washed away with the last wave of hurricanes that ran the south over.  Or Don turned it in that new wood burner stove he has.


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« Reply #545 on: October 27, 2018, 03:13:49 PM »
Remember just waiting for it to get fired up?
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« Reply #546 on: October 27, 2018, 10:01:48 PM »
It seemed like it was so close.  Admittedly, I didn't read every recent post about it though.

I'm a little saddened by that, as square d was what brought me here.  If you made that truck a crew cab, it'd pretty much be my dream truck. Lol
Its not dead, not by a long shot

So it has some issues and I took it to some good mechanics to sort through them. They did a good job finding out what was wrong with the drive train and got the engine running well. It still has no brakes and no functioning hydroboost system. No clue at this point what's up with that

The cost of those investigations was way big @ $120/hour. so I did a stand down for awhile.

There is a very large sum of money owed to me. Should it arrive the plan was to get right back on it, and until then, just wait it out. We are in the last days of "waiting it out. I can't go on forever and leave it there. I'd have thought it would have been done a long time ago, so soon, I may have to take it back.

Right alongside all of that, my farm and another project that grabs my time, has, well, grabbed a lot of my time. SquareD has suffered. But perhaps for long enough. Maybe it's getting to be time to bring it home...???
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« Reply #547 on: October 27, 2018, 11:23:08 PM »
Oh, we understand. Lots of stuff on the table for sure.

Since you know the issues, maybe let someone look at who plays with things like us and they might see something.
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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #548 on: October 28, 2018, 09:16:30 AM »
Oh, we understand. Lots of stuff on the table for sure.

Since you know the issues, maybe let someone look at who plays with things like us and they might see something.

Yea, for sure!

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Re: SquareD Part 8, This thing ever going to get finished?
« Reply #549 on: October 28, 2018, 10:07:30 AM »
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