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Its time to fight
« on: August 04, 2017, 08:53:19 AM »
"My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I?m not bothered by Donald Trump?s lack of decorum.  They ask if I don?t think his tweets are ?beneath the dignity of the office.?  Here?s my answer:

We Right-thinking people have tried dignity.  There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.  We tried statesmanship.  Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized ?collegiality? as John McCain?  We tried propriety ? has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney?  And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don?t find anything ?dignified,? ?collegial? or ?proper? about Barack Obama?s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.  I don?t see anything ?dignified? in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks.  I don?t see anything ?statesman-like? in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.  Yes, Obama was ?articulate? and ?polished? but in no way was he in the least bit ?dignified,? ?collegial? or ?proper.?

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ?60s.   To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.  It has been a war they?ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one ? the violent take-over of the universities ? till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war.  While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.
With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end.  Donald Trump is America?s first wartime president in the Culture War.

During wartime, things like ?dignity? and ?collegiality? simply aren?t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors.  Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.  Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today.   Lincoln rightly recognized that, ?I cannot spare this man.  He fights.?

General George Patton was a vulgar-talking, son-of-a-bitch.  In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank.  But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum, then Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.
Trump is fighting.  And what?s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel?s, he?s shouting, ?You magnificent bastards, I read your book!?  That is just the icing on the cake, but it?s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he?s defeating the Left using their own tactics.

That book is Saul Alinsky?s Rules for Radicals ? a book so essential to the Liberals? war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton?s senior thesis.   It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

Trump?s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do.
First, instead of going after ?the fake media? ? and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri ? Trump isolated CNN.  He made it personal.  Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as ?the most powerful weapon of all.?

Everyone gets that it?s not just CNN ? in fact, in a world where Al Sharpton and Rachel Maddow, Paul Krugman and Nicholas Kristof are people of influence and whose ?reporting? is in no way significantly different than CNN?s ? CNN is just a piker.
Most importantly, Trump?s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position.  With Trump?s ability to go around them, they cannot simply stand pat.  They need to respond.  This leaves them with only two choices.

They can either ?go high? (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery.
The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve.  It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama?s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers), the mafia (Tony Rezko), or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright?s, church.
Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration?s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration?s cover-up.

This makes ?going high? a non-starter for CNN.  This leaves them no other option but to ratchet up the fake news, conjuring up the next ?nothing burger? and devoting 24 hours a day to hysterical rants about how it?s ?worse than Nixon.?
This, obviously, is what CNN has chosen to do.  The problem is that, as they become more and more hysterical, they become more and more obvious.  Each new effort at even faker news than before and faker ?outrage? only makes that much more clear to any objective observer that Trump is and always has been right about the fake news media.
And, by causing their hysteria, Trump has forced them into numerous, highly embarrassing and discrediting mistakes.   Thus, in their desperation, they have lowered their standards even further and run with articles so clearly fake that, even with the liberal (lower case ?l?) libel laws protecting the media, they?ve had to wholly retract and erase their stories repeatedly.

Their flailing at Trump has even seen them cross the line into criminality, with CNN using their vast corporate fortune to hunt down a private citizen for having made fun of them in an Internet memo.  This threat to ?dox? ? release of personal information to encourage co-ideologists to visit violence upon him and his family -- a political satirist was chilling in that it clearly wasn?t meant just for him.  If it were, there would have been no reason for CNN to have made their ?deal? with him public.
Instead, CNN ? playing by ?Chicago Rules? ? was sending a message to any and all: dissent will not be tolerated.

This heavy-handed and hysterical response to a joke on the Internet has backfired on CNN, giving rise to only more righteous ridicule.
So, to my friends on the Left ? and the #NeverTrumpers as well -- do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be ?collegial? and ?dignified? and ?proper??  Of course I do.   These aren?t those times.  This is war  And it?s a war that the Left has been fighting  without opposition for the past 50 years.

So, say anything you want about this president ? I get it, he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times.  I don?t care.  I can?t spare this man.  He fights.
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2017, 09:50:07 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2017, 11:15:52 PM »
Trump is a product of the frustrations of the flyover states.  36 states are now completely controlled by republican govenors and statehouses.

The issue confronting us is not the  media or liberals...it is the RINO conservatives fighting the will of the people in the house and senate.  McConnel and Ryan must go.  We need to clean house in 2018 and run real conservatives against these people.  They act like they don't have the majority.  The dems would be ramming left leaning socialist agendas down our throat.  We should be getting much more done but these RINOs are our real enemies, not the dems.

I respect McCain for his service but he is the prototypical RINO and needs to go.  When it suited his purpose he said build the wall, when he was not running for re election he said no way he was for building the wall.

Primary challengers for the RINOs is where we have to spend our dollars to support candidates.  It's time for a house cleaning....
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2017, 07:24:15 PM »
^^^^^^^^^ EXACTLY what TRN says. Vote out all RINO's.


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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 09:54:31 PM »
I see where Eric Trump made a blazing comment about how republicans are just not protecting his father. He said DT could go it alone, but would someone please get off their arse and help his dad save this country!

Kid has spirit

These RINO's are no better than a soldier who suddenly has some excuse when finally called to stand to. Those were lesser men, whom I care not to associate with.
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2017, 04:02:17 PM »
Don, Curious what you think about this proposal?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/08/08/war-afghanistan-trump-white-house-weighs-bold-plan-privatize/548004001/

I have told my wife many times some conflicts should be privatized. But not being ex military I am curious what you guys think.
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 11:05:28 AM »
Don, Curious what you think about this proposal?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/08/08/war-afghanistan-trump-white-house-weighs-bold-plan-privatize/548004001/

I have told my wife many times some conflicts should be privatized. But not being ex military I am curious what you guys think.
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I think that is a concept that has been a long time coming

Contractors are simply more effective than US military is a lot of the tasks they do

As you know I worked with Black Water in Iraq, and some other folks in Afghanistan.

We were unencumbered by rules of engagement. For the most part our guys were vastly more experienced and better trained than DOD forces. Reason is the DOD seasoned veterans who otherwise would be looking at selling insurance are reintegrated into the forces after they fighred it out.
Case in point. My helicopter pilots mostly had more than 10,000 hours flying time logged. My youngest pilot topped 4,000 and we considered him inexperienced. One day the top pilot in an Army unit in Kandahar walked in my office and asked me for a job. He casually mentioned that he had a bit over 4,000 hours. I didn't react. That bothered him so he mentioned it again and asked why I didn't respond. I answered that I would normally not look at a guy with so few flying hours and I was thinking if I could bring on board a simpler helicopter like a Bell 212 so that he could learn in something less expensive. He was blown away. I think I had more NVG flight time than the total flight time of most pilots I knew in the Army. They simply don't fly enough.

The "Unit" I was with actually took out more Taliban and by the Army's admission was more effective in the Helmand valley than they were. In Baghdad, our convoys were almost never attacked. Reason is if they did we would hunt them mercilessly until they got to zero blood pressure, and they knew it. By contrast, when Big Army would get hit, the apaches could do almost nothing...What, fire a volley of 30MM into a crowd hoping to get the shooter?

We would fly right down into the crowd who was scattering for their lives, and that Seal on the skid would part his hairline a bit lower than the scalp and leave him like a dead dog (Which of course, he was)
We were good. Where we were, for the most part the enemy withheld and for a short time there was calm.

Contractors? He__ yes! And I'm going back to flyin' if they do!

Rules of engagement are another thing...We had none!
But thinking about it the Army and Marine Corps has a bunch of twenty somethings with guns, God love them, and we were 40's-50's with some younger types. We had careers, families, and wisdom along with experience. That made us combat multipliers. While the Armee was banging up helos at an alarming rate, rolling them over during dust landings or on slopes and so forth. Their mentors and instructor pilots had all retired and were now flying for me. We sledom had any mishap like that.
Flight hours and crew rest is another thing. Big Army could fly so many hours a day and a month. I think they were allowed to fly like 70 to possibly 80 hours a month. My guys flew 250 in six weeks! We would fly 10 hours a day, six days in a row if need be. We simply would never turn down a mission!
Once I woke up 0330 for a 0430 take off to do a raid. We were recalled at the mid point and had to return to base because the plan had been compromised. We did and ate a late breakfast. Long about 1800 the mission commander came up with a cool plan. What if we launched it right now? I mean the bad guys thought they got away with it, right? You see the Afghan Army people with us had spies who were texting our plans to their buddies.
The commander had a formation where he confiscated all the phones, then told them they were going home, as in immediately.
But
We did not go home, We donned NVG's and headed toward the target. I think we got there around 2300, I was the first to arrive over the target, as I had the gunbird. We completely surprised them and completed our mission. We got back to base around sunrise. There is no way a military pilot would have been allowed to do that. In fact he would never have known what it is like to stay awake 40 hours flying NVG's over 10 hours either side of a day where he didn't sleep, but we could and we did.
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 11:40:19 AM »
Sounds good to me. More bang for $$$$

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2017, 01:15:07 PM »
Sounds good to me. More bang for $$$$

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Considerably I would think, because contractors, although not "cheap" per say, it is definitely less expensive than the DOD and they run the best of the best of everything used at a lower rate than the select few who get the best in our military do! It's a win win win in my book.

Kind of like buying a 30rd mag fed rifle for the price of a single shot!
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2017, 02:09:26 PM »


(Yes, tongue in cheek)


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(Yes, tongue in cheek)


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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2017, 02:44:31 PM »
Hmm, Nazi and Russian flags. KKK brings clubs. Should anyone be surprised?
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(Yes, tongue in cheek)


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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2017, 11:01:07 PM »


(Yes, tongue in cheek)


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I think this is a sign (pun intended), Charles needs to build an xj!

XJ or is that a H3?

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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2017, 11:06:47 PM »
Nobody on here would own an H3, well almost nobody..... :popcorn:
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2017, 11:24:22 AM »
No one on here would ____________________ to own a Jeep as well , oh wait (not aimed at Bob, nor Don's wife).
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2017, 01:03:54 PM »
I agree a Jeep is not sufficient to carry H's big rear around in & as such understand your dislike for such vehicles. Seems you should stick with 1 ton or larger capacity rigs, you do own a Duece right?
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2017, 01:47:49 PM »
I agree a Jeep is not sufficient to carry H's big rear around in & as such understand your dislike for such vehicles. Seems you should stick with 1 ton or larger capacity rigs, you do own a Duece right?

LOL - a deuce for a piece of dookie!  :grin: (Not Ken, his GF)
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2017, 01:51:06 PM »
I agree a Jeep is not sufficient to carry H's big rear around in & as such understand your dislike for such vehicles. Seems you should stick with 1 ton or larger capacity rigs, you do own a Duece right?


Technically it's considered a five ton.... so that SHOULD suffice for the H transport!

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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2017, 02:51:26 PM »

No one on here would ____________________ to own a Jeep as well , oh wait (not aimed at Bob, nor Don's wife).


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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2017, 05:42:03 PM »
I agree a Jeep is not sufficient to carry H's big rear around in & as such understand your dislike for such vehicles. Seems you should stick with 1 ton or larger capacity rigs, you do own a Duece right?


Technically it's considered a five ton.... so that SHOULD suffice for the H transport!

the army has a 2.5 ton version of the 5 ton which originally had a multi fuel engine and it was a stick.  newer models have a diesel engine and an automatic.
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2017, 08:35:23 PM »
I agree a Jeep is not sufficient to carry H's big rear around in & as such understand your dislike for such vehicles. Seems you should stick with 1 ton or larger capacity rigs, you do own a Duece right?


Technically it's considered a five ton.... so that SHOULD suffice for the H transport!

the army has a 2.5 ton version of the 5 ton which originally had a multi fuel engine and it was a stick.  newer models have a diesel engine and an automatic.

Right, which was used up until sometime in the 80s right? Then they went to the 900 series trucks, which are the five tons. I believe Ken has a M925.

They also had 5 ton trucks along side the duece, an 8xx series truck I believe. Awesome trucks those things were, know a guy in Georgia who has a crew cabbed version of the older 5tons it's amazing!

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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2017, 11:55:49 AM »
I also forgot that I own a jeep as well...a cj3a
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2017, 11:58:43 AM »
I also forgot that I own a jeep as well...a cj3a

This is obviously not the H-mobile. As it would certainly crumple under the load!

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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2017, 03:47:31 PM »
Today's AF Times cover....

http://airforcetimes.va.newsmemory.com/

"Outsourced Air Force" Kind of interesting given Don's comments and rumors of Trump's address tonight.

Don my understanding is contractors only have A-4's for jets is that accurate?

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« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2017, 07:37:42 PM »
Think Don may come out of retirement? (assuming the AF would take him, a former Army guy)
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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2017, 09:22:20 AM »
Think Don may come out of retirement? (assuming the AF would take him, a former Army guy)
I wouldn't lower myself to becoming Air Force!
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A contract force could fly a wide variety of aircraft. Without ridiculous mil requirements for aircraft, the sky and the world is your shopping mall.
For example, when I was doing the civie aviatin' thing in Kandahar, we used Bell 214ST's (Never a military aircraft) Pumas (Never in the US inventory) and I was proud to be the leader of the first group ever to fly the AW-139 in combat. It performed wonderfully, but at a cost.
Jets, the A4 certainly, Maybe some F-4's as bombers, then those delta winged Mirage or super Enternard's the frogs fly. We should have been flying Super Tucanos, and versions of the armed crop custer like my friend built. Want some real results, give us Cobras or even some AH-64D, and say, 10 A-10's. I think the old A-7 Corsair are still soakin' up sunshine in Arizona, they would be great CAS as well. THen go to the Smithsonian Institute and other museums for the spare parts and there ya go!

Oh and for transports, I'll take a fleet of old C-141, re-engine them with fans and install a glass cockpit, slap on some fresh paint, I'll take black, thank you, check the tires and off ya go for another 20 years of burning dinosaur juice in the upper atmosphere!
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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2017, 09:22:44 AM »
Oh, and three B-52's pretty please...
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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2017, 09:25:09 AM »
Well He__, since we're on the subject, allow me to buy that Casa 225 and then give me a 20mm vulcan, and some GAU-19's and I'll build my own midi version of the C-130 gunship
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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2017, 09:26:50 AM »
Ya know I like talkin guns...

Remember those AW-139's I like so much?

Picture them blacked out with a mini in each door and one or two more fixed forward and boresighted to a red lipstick (my wife's color) cross on the windshield...Can I do that too?
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2017, 09:27:22 AM »
If you don't include an OV10 and a A1 Skyraider you aren't getting my vote.
So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!

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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2017, 09:28:34 AM »
Screw it...

Suburbans

In my view, should have been manufactured with a cut away roof panel and welded in hardpoints for a GAU-17

But that's just me...Call it the Jihad option (Anti-Jihad version???)
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2017, 09:28:56 AM »
If you don't include an OV10 and a A1 Skyraider you aren't getting my vote.
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2017, 09:50:49 AM »
Piston man!

Greater loiter time for both.

Spad can carry an ecletic arsenal under its wings.

Bronco can work effectively as a FAC, which is did perform during Vietnam alongside the Cessna 0-2 skymaster;in addition the Bronco can carry some armament. Since you mentioned A7s and F4's might as well bring back the roles they played.

But I was just a dirt floor grunt so, those are my opinions.
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So, Bobby...being the calculating trained warrior NCO that you are.  Take the appropriate action, Execute!

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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2017, 11:53:29 AM »


Seems like a great place to leave this....from an armchair warrior this is my favorite plane.


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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2017, 12:06:18 PM »
Screw it...

Suburbans

In my view, should have been manufactured with a cut away roof panel and welded in hardpoints for a GAU-17

But that's just me...Call it the Jihad option (Anti-Jihad version???)

would you prefer the 8.1 or the 6.6L? wasn't that what the excursions were supposed to have been for but then mothballed the whole program?





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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2017, 04:29:25 PM »


Seems like a great place to leave this....from an armchair warrior this is my favorite plane.


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I agree, and suspect any in the crap, it's likely their favorite as well.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #38 on: August 22, 2017, 06:26:13 PM »


Seems like a great place to leave this....from an armchair warrior this is my favorite plane.


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I agree, and suspect any in the crap, it's likely their favorite as well.

What's not to like about a plane, built around a machine gun the size of a volkswagen, and can carry bombs and missles?!
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #39 on: August 22, 2017, 06:44:22 PM »
And with triple redundant hydraulics that allow it to be flown though ventilated like Swiss cheese


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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2017, 07:22:11 PM »
And with triple redundant hydraulics that allow it to be flown though ventilated like Swiss cheese


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And missing parts of wings, engines etc...
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2017, 08:01:28 PM »
Screw it...

Suburbans

In my view, should have been manufactured with a cut away roof panel and welded in hardpoints for a GAU-17

But that's just me...Call it the Jihad option (Anti-Jihad version???)

would you prefer the 8.1 or the 6.6L? wasn't that what the excursions were supposed to have been for but then mothballed the whole program?
Over there we had the 8.1 Burbs which were excellent, and the 6.0L Excursions which we couldn't keep running
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2017, 08:03:03 PM »


Seems like a great place to leave this....from an armchair warrior this is my favorite plane.


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And the sound it makes is as unforgettable as the signature whop-whop of a Bell UH-1 Huey
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2017, 08:06:54 PM »
Screw it...

Suburbans

In my view, should have been manufactured with a cut away roof panel and welded in hardpoints for a GAU-17

But that's just me...Call it the Jihad option (Anti-Jihad version???)

would you prefer the 8.1 or the 6.6L? wasn't that what the excursions were supposed to have been for but then mothballed the whole program?






Never saw a gunned up Excursion. Saw a few gunned down ones

I have knowledge of mini gun carrying Suburbans.

Not very much ammo, maybe a 2200 round can??

I think the bubbas were using one as the "Hate truck"
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2017, 12:03:55 AM »
Pi have a friend who ran with black water in Iraq several years ago. His stories agree with yours about Rules of Engagement(or lack of). He had a great time over there and then got pulled to go over with s reserve unit, public relations unit( he was pulled as an augmentee) or some garbage. He said he was never more afraid than when he was deployed with that unit, they didn't have any situational awareness or idea of a real security posture.


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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2017, 10:23:29 AM »
Pi have a friend who ran with black water in Iraq several years ago. His stories agree with yours about Rules of Engagement(or lack of). He had a great time over there and then got pulled to go over with s reserve unit, public relations unit( he was pulled as an augmentee) or some garbage. He said he was never more afraid than when he was deployed with that unit, they didn't have any situational awareness or idea of a real security posture.


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Yep

You see pit bulls know when to bite.

They don't wait for poodles to tell them it is OK to fight back
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Re: Its time to fight
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2017, 10:25:13 AM »
New acronym

AEM  American Emasculated Military

e?mas?cu?late
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verb
past tense: emasculated; past participle: emasculated
1.
deprive (a man) of his male role or identity.
"he feels emasculated because he cannot control his sons' behavior"
2.
make (a person, idea, or piece of legislation) weaker or less effective.
"our winner-take-all elections emasculate fringe parties"
synonyms:   weaken, enfeeble, debilitate, erode, undermine, cripple
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