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« Reply #100 on: June 04, 2018, 10:54:20 AM »
I?m looking for a steering shaft replacement and the only ones I can find are factory style or $200 Borgeson units. http://zoneoffroad.com/borgeson_steering-upgrades_chevy_1500-pickup?yr=1989

Anybody know of a middle ground between the two?


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« Reply #101 on: June 04, 2018, 12:49:54 PM »
Wow, lmc it was $319.

Tries LKQ and they show a rack and pinion which is wrong.

Dorman #425185 is still $180 at rock auto.

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« Reply #102 on: June 04, 2018, 03:26:59 PM »
The borgesen unit I have been told on multiple occasions is worth the cost!!! While I have yet to put one in.  It is on my list. Ffriend has had the same borgesn unit installed in a 2005 lifted and 14 wide tires for going on eight years now.  No issues no clunk no rattle.  Solid unit my friend. 


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« Reply #103 on: June 04, 2018, 11:08:51 PM »
Thank you for the input gentleman.

We have an LKQ near work but I don?t think l that?d be worth the time for another used shaft. Another factory unit is just under $100 while one of the Borgeson units is $175 and their extreme duty shaft is $222. I can see where the Borgeson would be worth the additional $75 over the factory junk. Then again it?s only another $45 for the extreme duty unit so I?d be crazy not to go with that one right? Guess I?ll sleep on it.

With any luck she?ll get an oil change, new rear diff fluid and gasket, and a set of spark plugs tomorrow.


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« Reply #104 on: June 04, 2018, 11:11:54 PM »
Have you ever had to replace the fluid pump yet?


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I used a lot of washer fluid this morning trying to get rid of the old stuff in the reservoir and the pump seems to still be strong. It was throwing fluid onto the top of the cab.


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« Reply #105 on: June 07, 2018, 10:45:47 AM »
Clutch in the ol red truck lost pressure as I rolled up to a stop light on the way to daycare Tuesday morning. Almost pushed me and our 9 month old into an intersection before I stood on the brakes. That killed the engine but it?s better than the alternative. Since it?s the only vehicle I have it?s currently at the shop in the hopes of getting it fixed quickly. Talked to the mechanic yesterday and they replaced the slave and master cylinders but he thinks the new master cylinder is bad. Clutch still won?t hold pressure.


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« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2018, 12:20:20 PM »
They can take a REALLLLLLLLLY long time to bleed out since you can't really get a power bleeder on them.
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« Reply #107 on: June 07, 2018, 12:47:50 PM »
They can take a REALLLLLLLLLY long time to bleed out since you can't really get a power bleeder on them.
The mechanic said they bench bled it and it still didn?t act right. I?m on Daddy daycare duty today but I?m going to go by there and get an update as soon as the baby wakes up. I?m starting to worry about what this bill is going to look like since they?ve had it so long.


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« Reply #108 on: June 07, 2018, 01:05:11 PM »
I had to bench bleed the GM master on my wagoneer for several hours... then got the power bleeder hooked up and still watched bubbles for another 1/2 hour until it was cleared. Older masters just aren't as well engineered and there's a lot of space for air pockets.
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« Reply #109 on: June 07, 2018, 03:20:33 PM »
You can't bench bleed a clutch master. It either has to be bled as a unit, off the vehicle, or on the vehicle. Sometimes it takes raising the slave above the master to get them to bleed. Not fun. (the air will travel back up to the master between pumps, when not using a vacuum bleeder)
..then once they're bled, it takes 50-150 pumps to finish them off, then sometimes let sit overnight, and start over. (worse case)
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« Reply #110 on: June 07, 2018, 06:15:40 PM »
yeah, what the smart guy there said.
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« Reply #111 on: June 07, 2018, 10:49:15 PM »
Got the truck back tonight and walked outta there $398 lighter because of it. New master and slave cylinder. As far as I can tell it?s working as it should although the clutch feels like it?s not adjusted properly. It feels like nothing happens until the top couple inches of travel. Is a clutch adjustment something a commoner like myself could do or does it take some uber special tool or skill?


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« Reply #112 on: June 07, 2018, 10:53:46 PM »
I don?t think there is an adjustment on it, if I recall correctly my 89 Camaro was the same way & my jk is currently (I know for a fact there is no adjustment in the jk version).
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« Reply #113 on: June 07, 2018, 11:02:05 PM »
You mean it doesn't engage until the last couple inches? Or it doesn't disengage until almost on the floor?
..no adjustment

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« Reply #114 on: June 08, 2018, 06:30:48 AM »
You mean it doesn't engage until the last couple inches? Or it doesn't disengage until almost on the floor?
..no adjustment

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Nothing happens until my foot is almost off of the pedal.


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« Reply #115 on: June 08, 2018, 09:47:16 AM »
That usually means the clutch itself is worn out.(the disc is thin)


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« Reply #116 on: June 08, 2018, 01:51:57 PM »
That usually means the clutch itself is worn out.(the disc is thin)


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« Reply #117 on: June 08, 2018, 02:25:30 PM »
That could be the case but that clutch only has 20-25k miles on it and it wasn?t that way before the work was done on it. That?s what made me think there might be an adjustment on these.


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« Reply #118 on: June 08, 2018, 02:43:27 PM »
If it?s a couple inches from the top & not slipping drive it......

I don?t like them there (near top) either but some genius decided it?s ideal. If you really don?t like it rip all that crap out and fab up a mechanical setup, reason my left knee gives me trouble some days being those old school heavy race clutches.
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« Reply #119 on: June 08, 2018, 05:44:50 PM »
I'm guessing it wasn't that way before because it had air in it or the master was weak, so by fixing it , it actually made it worse so to speak...or...
They might have somehow shifted the clutch fork to a different position (not resting on the pivot ball properly)..or..


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« Reply #120 on: June 08, 2018, 11:17:04 PM »
I think I?m with you on just driving it the way it is Shawn. My wife was against me driving this truck every day saying she didn?t trust it to be reliable without throwing a bunch of money at it. Knowing better than to do so, I still disagreed with her. Fast forward a couple weeks and she?s starting to give me those ?I told you so? glances. Haha

Ken, you could be right but it?s unlikely. I drive like an old man that has nowhere to be but doesn?t wanna go home.


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« Reply #121 on: June 08, 2018, 11:32:56 PM »
I finally changed the engine oil in ol red today. It had 3,800 miles on the old oil but it was due in October of 2003. Then I changed fluid in the rear differential. Whoever though the cover didn?t need a drain plug needs a good kick in the scrotum. Reading online I saw the cover bolts need to be torqued to 29ft lbs so that?s what they got along with a new Fel-Pro gasket.


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« Reply #122 on: June 09, 2018, 12:32:22 AM »
Get a hold of ol tater, he has some great lube locker gaskets for that rear diff.....
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« Reply #123 on: June 11, 2018, 11:40:08 AM »
Get a hold of ol tater, he has some great lube locker gaskets for that rear diff.....

That is true, but knowing he's already been through that wonderful experience, maybe we'll save that LubeLocker gasket for the next oil change :wink:
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« Reply #124 on: June 11, 2018, 01:14:09 PM »
That?s right, next time. Of course next time I?ll probably try to search out an aftermarket cover with a drain plug built into it.

On a good note, the last couple of days the clutch seems to have gotten better. On a bad note, I haven?t gotten to the air conditioner yet and we?re already in the mid 90?s with 75% humidity. Luckily my 2-55 backup air conditioning still works.


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« Reply #125 on: June 11, 2018, 01:17:17 PM »
Only 55?. Need that 1/2 in the rear.
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« Reply #126 on: June 11, 2018, 01:28:23 PM »
Only 55?. Need that 1/2 in the rear.
Utilizing the 1/2 causes the dust and dirt in the bed to be sucked into the cab so it usually stays closed. Suppose I could clean that out today....


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« Reply #127 on: June 11, 2018, 01:50:56 PM »
I've got a cover coming for the GM in a few months w/ fill and drain magnetic plugs when you're ready.
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« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2018, 12:58:11 PM »
I've got a cover coming for the GM in a few months w/ fill and drain magnetic plugs when you're ready.

Thanks Tate. I'll get one next time I have a reason to break into it.

I ended up with an unexpected $500 into that slave and master cylinder so I probably won't spring for the Borgeson steering shaft. This truck wont be my daily driver for long and I am dead set on paying cash for my next vehicle so I dont want to invest money that isn't necessary. What is necessary to address short term is the strange sensation this truck has when hitting bumps at speeds >30mph. As the suspension compresses the truck will yaw to the right and as it rebounds it yaws back to the left. I noticed last night that there was slight movement in the outer tie rod ends if I grabbed the tie rod and twisted it. I'm not sure if that is the cause for the strange sensation but both boots also leak grease so they need to be replaced anyway. I thought it was caused by 3 of those junk trailmaster shocks failing before the 4th but I still have the twisting after installing the Bilsteins. Anybody have another idea?

Both ends look about the same.

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« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2018, 01:23:35 PM »
After tie rods and steering the next order of business will be lowing this thing down a little. There are a few reasons I want to do this.
1. The Nitto tires that came on the 17'  black wheels are bout shot. I have a good set of 285/70R17E Cooper AT3s in my garage that I'd like to use instead of spending $1,000 on tires to put on a truck I've driven 3,800 miles in the last 14.5 years.
2. The truck rides like crap and I think lowering it a little will help.
3. The truck is right at the limit of the recommended height for the Bilstein shocks. I don't want to overextend and damage them.
4. The CV angles are steeper than I'd like for them to be.
5. The thing is darn hard to get into and I don't like steps.

Right now the front is lifted 6" and there is a 4.25" block in the rear which makes the truck sit roughly level. I would like to run a 3" block and lower the front 1.5 inches. I'd rather have a slight forward rake than that stupid looking and pointless California lean. *side note: around here they call it bulldogging which is even more dumb. At least when its called a cali lean you can blame the influence on the goobers in hippie land.*

I don't know if there is 1.5" of movement there without a different torsion key but it will come down some.


This is a little better view of how much space I have to work with.

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« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2018, 02:17:22 PM »
I am about at the same lift with basically the same geometry. Mine rides OK, but it is a 2500hd with diesel, so more front, well all around weight.

Upper ball joints go bad fast when lifted. Anything past level is not the nest for these IFS front ends. Travel and shocks are the big key for a good ride.

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« Reply #131 on: June 13, 2018, 04:32:58 PM »
I am about at the same lift with basically the same geometry. Mine rides OK, but it is a 2500hd with diesel, so more front, well all around weight.

Upper ball joints go bad fast when lifted. Anything past level is not the nest for these IFS front ends. Travel and shocks are the big key for a good ride.
That's one more I should have mentioned in my list. I think the truck has very little down travel left. Knowing what I know now I wouldn't have put this particular kit on the truck when I lifted it. Actually, I would've taken my dad's offer to pay the difference for a 350hp crate motor and automatic and not lifted it at all.


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« Reply #132 on: June 13, 2018, 05:15:42 PM »
Yeah but the lift / tire & wheels were cool..... :likebutton:
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« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2018, 05:23:19 PM »
Yeah but the lift / tire & wheels were cool..... :likebutton:

For sure it was. And when young ladies grow up in a place with nothing but cattle and trees for 100 miles in any direction they dig lifted trucks. Truth be told that's probably why I did it.

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« Reply #134 on: June 13, 2018, 05:54:01 PM »
I put the wrong shocks on mine the first time and tore the front mounts off the solid axle!
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« Reply #135 on: June 14, 2018, 10:08:59 AM »
Get someone to sit in the truck, running w/ the tires on the ground and get low enough to see the steering under the front end. have them gently move the wheel back and forth without moving the tires and watch the movement in the tie rod ends, pittman arm (out of the steering box), idler arm and drag link ends. most likely all of those ends are shot. https://www.amazon.com/Steering-Suspension-Chevrolet-1988-1991-Adjusting/dp/B074Q38KKK/ref=au_as_r?_encoding=UTF8&Make=Chevrolet%7C47&Model=K1500%7C454&Year=1989%7C1989&ie=UTF8&n=15684181&newVehicle=1&s=automotive&vehicleId=9&vehicleType=automotive super cheap, I'm sure there are higher quality out there, but this is the 1st one I came upon. Knowing what I know about Chevrolet IFS, I would just do it all. you're experiencing bump steer and wander from worn out steering, most likely pittman arm and idler are shot. you should have very little to no movement in any of those connections.
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« Reply #136 on: June 14, 2018, 03:31:15 PM »
Get someone to sit in the truck, running w/ the tires on the ground and get low enough to see the steering under the front end. have them gently move the wheel back and forth without moving the tires and watch the movement in the tie rod ends, pittman arm (out of the steering box), idler arm and drag link ends. most likely all of those ends are shot. https://www.amazon.com/Steering-Suspension-Chevrolet-1988-1991-Adjusting/dp/B074Q38KKK/ref=au_as_r?_encoding=UTF8&Make=Chevrolet%7C47&Model=K1500%7C454&Year=1989%7C1989&ie=UTF8&n=15684181&newVehicle=1&s=automotive&vehicleId=9&vehicleType=automotive super cheap, I'm sure there are higher quality out there, but this is the 1st one I came upon. Knowing what I know about Chevrolet IFS, I would just do it all. you're experiencing bump steer and wander from worn out steering, most likely pittman arm and idler are shot. you should have very little to no movement in any of those connections.

$85 for all that? Kinda worries me just thinking about people running down the road with parts that cheap.  :facepalm:

The truck has some bump steer but it is different than the twist I feel when the suspension compresses. I'll slowly start acquiring steering parts. The poor ol thing needs it.

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« Reply #137 on: June 14, 2018, 04:37:20 PM »
yeah, that was just the 1st search result. spicer or moog would be better choices
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« Reply #138 on: June 14, 2018, 04:55:07 PM »
Very common for the idler to be bad also that is included in that kit.

If you are going to drive it like you have. That kit is the way to go.
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« Reply #139 on: June 14, 2018, 07:58:23 PM »
Guy at work was having his windows tinted today so I had him do mine while he was here.




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« Reply #140 on: June 15, 2018, 08:08:31 AM »
Looks good. 


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