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"12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« on: January 03, 2018, 08:33:15 PM »
I will be building a 12 X 12 X 8 shed in my basement in panels which I will break down, transport, and reassemble on site at the farm. I have found this to be a pretty easy way to get things like a shed assembled in the warmth of a shop, then quickly re-erected at the field site.

I will be laying the deck tomorrow, much as the Navee lays a keel, then later welds a ship to it.

The project is meant to be easy enough to easily be duplicated (Too many "easy's) by any of you boneheads.

It will live at my Hide Site farm which is located here:
http://real-man-truckworks-and-survival.com/index.php?topic=3051.new#new

Here is the stack of lumber:
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2018, 08:37:44 PM »
This post will be the materials list, which I will update as I go along and actually purchase everything

Floor/Deck:

4 X 6 X 12  pressure treated      3 ea
2 X 6 12 PT                              9 ea
3 1/2" #10 deck screws            Large box
1/4" X 8" timber lock screws     50
3/4" OSB                                 5 sheets
Approx 5 tons of Dense grade gravel

            Cost: $488        Time spent: 9.5 hours

Framing:
2 X 4 X 8                     10 ea.
2 X 4 X 12                     4 ea.
#9 1 3/4" screws          Large box
#10 3 1/2" Screws        Large box
4 X 8 Smart panel         3 ea.

        Cost:  $255    Total Cost: $743     Time spent: 0.0 hrs       Total time spent:   9.5 hours

More framing
2 X 4 X 8                                    26 ea
4 X 8 Smart panel siding                   5 sheets
36" Steel entry door with curved lite   1 ea.
Anderson 23" X 31" window               1 ea.

Cost: $504      Total Cost: $1,247         Time: 0.0            Total Time spent 9.5 hours

Build front wall

Cost $0           Total Cost: $ 1247         Time: 6.0           Total time spent: 15.5 hours

Build two side panels and reinforce main doors

Cost  $0           Total Cost $1,247        Time 3.5           Total time spent:  19.0 hours

Build three more panels inc Door and Window

Cost $0            Total Cost $1,247        Time  5.0          Total time spent  24 hours

Purchase Materials
4ea   4 X 8 Smart Panel
18 ea   2 X 4 X 8
Hardware for main doors, Latches, Catch

Cost   $230     Total Cost:   $1,477           Time: 0.0       Total Time:   24 hours

More Wall building

Constructed door latch system
Assembled two additional wall panels

Cost   $0   Total Cost  $1,477    Time 4.0    Total Time: 28 hours

Painted Walls

Purchased 4 gallons of Behr premium paint
Assembled final two wall panels
Painted all 13 wall panels and doors

Cost: $212    Total Cost $1,689   Time 4.5 hours    Total Time: 32.5 hours

Created more trim/painted trim/installed window

Cut window trim pieces
Removed and painted all trim that had been created so far
Mounted window
Painted service door

Cost  $0.0    Total Cost  $1,689   Time 4.0 hrs     Total time: 36.5 hours

Assembled the walls onto the base

Purchased 5 additional sheets of OSB
Transported materials to job site
Purchased two gallons of Thompson water seal
Erected wall panels

Cost   $145   Total Cost  $1834   Time 6.0 hrs   Total time:  42.5 hours

Roof Truss Construction

Purchased 2 X 6
Purchased 2 X 4
Purchased 7/16" OSB plywood

Cost $216   Total Cost  $2060   Time 4.5 hrs  Total time:   50.0 hours

End Gable construction

Purchased three sheets of exterior smart panel
Purchased two foundation vents

Cost $99   Total Cost  $2159   Time 3.0 hours    Total hours  53.0

Gable end construction with painting

Cost  $0   Total Cost  $2159    Time 3.5 hours    Total Hours   56.5


Roof Metal Ordered

Roof gable end vents installed and trimmed

Cost: $303   Total Cost: $2462    Time  0.5 hours  Total Hours 57.0

Roof Assembled and mostly covered with metal

Materials:
10- 2 X 4 X 14
4-   1 X 8 X 8
2-   1 X 8 X 14

Cost $125   Total Cost $2587   Time 8.0   Total hours  65

Roof installation Completed

Door knob dead bolt purchase

Cost $78   Total Cost: $ 2665   Time 5.2   Total hours: 70.2

Service door installation/Front door alignment/Latch install

Cost: $0   Total Cost $2665   Time 2.0  Total hours: 72.2

Soffit

Cost:  $116    Total Cost:  $2,781  Time:  10  Total hours: 80.2

Interior shelving

Cost: $156     Total Cost:  $2,937  Time 3.5    Total Hours:  83.7

Finish trimming

Cost: $0   Total Cost: $2,937   Time: 3.0   Total hours: 86.7
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2018, 08:42:13 PM »
Here is the floor plan

Note that the circles show post hole and pier locations if you wish to set it more permanently in place. The squares are concrete paver blocks placed here and there to provide support

My shed will rest directly on a packed/elevated bed of gravel. I opted for 2X6 based on the fact that the joists will be supported along the entirety of their length, but had I wanted to use piers, and considering I am going to be parking one of my medium sized tractors in there, I would have gone to 8's or 10's
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2018, 08:48:01 PM »
The front wall will have two hinged doors opening to almost 8 feet wide and nearly as tall

Note here, and one of the reasons I ma building my own as opposed to buying a prebuilt.

The first reason is that people these days (kids) build junk. Since they have never had to do anything, why should we expect to see quality workmanship from them. I toured a local lot, and after seeing their quality built sheds, I laughed. One shed, the kid with the nailer was obviously high. I counted 13 nails into the butt of a single 2 X 4. Some hit, some missed, and the rest chopped that two by up pretty well. Just terrible workmanship.

The second reason is that most sheds had a 6'3" wall. Why??? Dunno... yuppie/hippie math I guess. but I actually want room in mine.
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2018, 08:49:29 PM »
Either door

This is not a final design, just something to get me going. I will likely do something cool on those doors and not use this setup.
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2018, 08:51:08 PM »
The back wall...

Keep in mind that the wall will be built in 4' X 8' sections or panels, then screwed together on site. That should make for some easy handling.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2018, 08:51:42 PM »
Side walls
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2018, 08:53:24 PM »
Roof truss

6/12 pitch, 10" overhang sides, 12" overhang front/back
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2018, 08:54:36 PM »
Standard metal roof.

2 X 4's on 24" center screwed across the rafters covered with 26 ga. 40 year metal
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2018, 08:55:15 PM »
First stab at materials list:
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2018, 07:55:59 AM »
Don, have you priced out doing  metal pole barn approach with a shed roof? Rpanel on exterior walls and roof?

I havent done a side by side but would think that the materials costs might be lower  for the metal with the price of wood nowadays.

Just a thought,
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2018, 06:07:08 PM »
Don, have you priced out doing  metal pole barn approach with a shed roof? Rpanel on exterior walls and roof?

I havent done a side by side but would think that the materials costs might be lower  for the metal with the price of wood nowadays.

Just a thought,
Have not

But I concur with the price of wood. It surpassed outrageous last summer and is on its way to riciculous.

This structure, and the mechanical room add on to the big shed will remain stick built, but for the smallish building going up around the well, that will for sure be a wood frame/metal skin hybrid, as will any significant structure in the future.

Part of the reason I elected to build 12-Square in the traditional way was ease of construction while here at my Casa-Main. Build and sort it out here like I did for the water containment structure, then simply fit all the parts together down there and have a shed ricky-tick.

The other reason is that I enjoy working with wood and making something from the puzzle of materials if you will...
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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2018, 08:07:47 PM »
I selected a build site, put in a bolder retaining wall, and leveled the spot with gravel. This is the tightly packed "Dense grade" material that does not move very much at all
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2018, 08:12:38 PM »
I used a 12 foot 4 X 6 to get as close to level as I could whilst grading with my tractor. It took awhile but I managed to get a pad in that had about a one inch rise from end to end.I decided to go with this as I don't really have the equipment to get it any better.

The plan will be to relevel the deck once it is assembled to find that sweet spot, and hopefully after a few freeze/thaw cycles which will serve to pack that stuff some more.
Using the southern beam as a reference, I worked to level the other three legs, one at a time. I definitely had to do a little digging to get there. I'd say by the end I had it within 1/2" of level from end to end
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2018, 08:13:44 PM »
All sub floor beams are attached by 6" X 1/4" timber lock screws
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2018, 08:19:06 PM »
Leveling and paying attention to "Square" takes a lot of time and patience

Did I ever mention I am not the best with patience?

Probably not...

But look at what happened:

Caveat: Don does not do "square" or "Plumb"

Just can't!

I can make a helicopter speak french, and land a jet so smoothly you can't tell we touched down, but build something square?...Me?...Simply can't

So, this is a fluke

Something which has never happened, and will never repeat itself again!

And as fate would have it, did not last the day!

Stay tuned!
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2018, 08:25:57 PM »
Then in went the joists, one by one. Even though I sketched it out with joists on 16" centers, I changed the design to have them sitting on 24" centers. Reason is, originally, I was going to perch the building on six concrete piers, requiring more stiffness. That would have used 2 X 8's and more of them. But with literally every inch of the 2X6 "bedded" if you will in an elevated pad of this dense grade, well, there is zero span-wise flexing going on. And after jumping on the 3/4" panels screwed to these joists, I am not seeing any movement to worry about.

The pics don't show it, but I actually nearly filled the first few chambers with the gravel as well. I do not intend for the OSB to rest directly on gravel, but rather to provide for an ample amount of material to backfill under any voids after I possibly lift the decs a bit to do my final leveling.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2018, 08:31:20 PM »
And that's when I snatched disaster from the jaws of victory!

While pouring gravel into the chambers using the tractor, I laid the bucket down to back drag the stuff level.

That was a mistake

It cost me an hour to dig out two smashed joists, and set new ones back in. Forgetting to check for square, I later discovered I had shifted the base just enough to get a slight misalignment of the decking.

Know what??

I don't care. Its a shed that Don built. Why should me or anyone else expect it to be either square or plumb?

And that got me and the deck done. I did get the other panel and a half screwed down, but I was too cold and all over caring about anything except to get warmed up and in a comfy bed...Which I did after 30 min of soaking in an epsom salt bath.
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2018, 08:35:37 PM »
That thing feels really solid and grounded! (Get it?? Grounded?? Like it's in the ground...;-)

The greater majority of sheds around here are simply resting on some concrete blocks. They do OK except when the occasional tornado visits. THose sheds get transplanted in Kansas or OZ I hear.

So today, Pre-Ranger numba biggest and I went and purchased the materials for the front wall and doors. Plan is to build those panels in the basement in the next few daze!
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2018, 11:48:51 PM »
You could drill some holes and stake it in with rebar on some spots to further hold it in place.


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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 08:52:01 AM »
Don you might want to look into cement stabilized sand to see if it?s available around you.

http://www.cement.org/cement-concrete-applications/paving/soil-cement


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Re: "12 Square" a 12' X 12' shed project
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2018, 01:46:18 AM »
I would secure it too. A hole in each corner down a few feet would do wonders in high winds.

Oh, I know why you ran over the stuff, its the hat.

On another note have you thought about sliding doors? No need to keep 5ft open around them all the time and no stress or sagging. Have it on my shed and love it.
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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2018, 03:08:41 PM »
You could drill some holes and stake it in with rebar on some spots to further hold it in place.


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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2018, 03:27:49 PM »
This would also be a great time to stub in a place for future power.  Just in case.
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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2018, 03:43:00 PM »
This would also be a great time to stub in a place for future power.  Just in case.
I'm going to add electricity from the get go. For now, it will allow me to run a battery tender/charger and lights.

In the future when I get the place fully off grid, I could push power backwards into the "Grid" is so desired.

Any roof is a place to mount the Solar panels
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2018, 09:10:35 PM »
Got the front wall mostly built today.

I started by simply laying out a couple 2 X 4 X 12's. These will be transferred onto the top of the walls once I get them screwed together at the job site.

I used steel angle braces to hold them together for now
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2018, 09:12:33 PM »
Next, I framed out two 2' X 8' sections with 2 X 4's screwing through the sheeting every 12" with #9 X 2" screws
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2018, 09:14:07 PM »
Then I built two four foot wide doors to span the gap and offer a generous 8' X 8' opening to the shed for the tractor
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2018, 09:16:09 PM »
I angle cut the cross bracing so as to be a tight fit, then screwed it together with 3" screws in the framing and 2" screws attaching the sheet of smart panel to the frame. It pulled up and became very rigid.

I'll hang the doors with a 3/8" gap all around using heavy duty gate hinges
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2018, 09:17:00 PM »
Both doors are fitted and operate perfectly
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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2018, 09:18:22 PM »
Then I started trimming the outside of the doors with 1" pine board cut to various widths

And that got me all the way to 1900, and time to roll up the carpet for the day
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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2018, 08:00:32 AM »
looking good so far.

what type of metal for the roof? the standard corrugated metal?
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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2018, 09:06:41 AM »
looking good so far.

what type of metal for the roof? the standard corrugated metal?
No, not the standard galvanized stuff, I'll use the same 26 gage rolled metal I have been using, in green, of course

Oh, and Kat mentioned she does not like green roofs! Well that was timely! I have, what 4 green roofs down farmside at the moment!!! Womenses...
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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2018, 12:28:12 PM »
looking good so far.

what type of metal for the roof? the standard corrugated metal?
No, not the standard galvanized stuff, I'll use the same 26 gage rolled metal I have been using, in green, of course

Oh, and Kat mentioned she does not like green roofs! Well that was timely! I have, what 4 green roofs down farmside at the moment!!! Womenses...

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« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2018, 01:00:06 PM »
Spray paint them camo I guess that way she can?t see them


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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 09:56:26 PM »
I am keeping the initial cost post current

So far I have spent $1,247 and have 19 hours of time invested

Today I picked up more materials and built two more wall panels.

I an still using panels from the same stack at Home Depot
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 09:59:11 PM »
This stuff is really hard, almost like hardy backer board. I wonder if they sue a harder glue to hold the OSB chips together??

It handles well, but is somewhat flimsy as shown here. After adding the 2 X 4's and making it a semi-monocoque structure it gets very rigid and has near zero flex
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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 10:02:16 PM »
I took my time to build up two more 4 X 8 panels using the premium grade 2 X 4's placed on 24" centers. It's a shed and I can scarcely justify building the thing on 16" centers

Those panels are numbered and fit together like a puzzle, overlapping the prior panel in a lap joint arrangement
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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2018, 10:08:02 PM »
The beauty of what you're looking at is with the quick removal of just a few screws that whole thing breaks down into just five panels so far. When complete, I'll have 13 wall panels and doors, two end gables, seven additional rafter trusses, some roof metal, and a stack of loose lumber to finish the roof

Next I stiffened up the doors a bunch since they will see a lot of use over the years. I laid down wood glue first, then fastened either OSB or left over 2 X 12 angles with a few screws to hold it together until the glue sets up. As a result those doors got pretty stiff and are very straight
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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2018, 10:09:58 PM »
Here's the service door with the curved lite. I wanted to doll the thing up a bit so the MRS will like it and make it look at home, landscaped into the garden setting it will reside in shortly
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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2018, 10:11:17 PM »
This window will sit opposite of the door and be accompanied by one additional window on the back wall for good daytime lighting.
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« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2018, 12:50:27 AM »
I use the same paneling on my house. Nice stuff but is going for $30 a sheet now!
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« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2018, 12:30:26 PM »
I use the same paneling on my house. Nice stuff but is going for $30 a sheet now!
$29.35 - 10% mil discount = $26.42 for meeee :-))))))
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« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2018, 10:31:55 PM »
Another few hours and more of the wall panels are now complete

I am building them one at a time, but I will cut all the studs for 2-3 panels at a time to keep me efficient and production line oriented.
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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2018, 10:33:30 PM »
Next up I assembled and cut out the opening for the door panel. The plan will be to fit the door once the walls are fastened down with a roof overhead
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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2018, 10:37:59 PM »
I left the bottom 2 X 4 installed so as to hole the panel in its square configuration. I will cut it out when the panel is finalized at the build site.

So, following the door panel, next up was to build a window panel. Same concept here. Build the panel, check for proper fit, then assemble it to the structure without mounting the window.

Another reason not to mount the window is that the entire thing will be painted first to prevent overspray
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« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2018, 10:45:25 PM »
Then I built one more wall panel to complete that side wall

I now have one panel for the other side wall and three back wall panels to build and I'll have four walls completed
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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2018, 10:46:33 PM »
No animals were harmed in the making of this shed!

But one was scared a few times when someone chased it around with a drill ;-))
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« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2018, 01:19:16 PM »
Better hope that drill doesn't get buried someplace.
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« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2018, 06:50:18 PM »
Better hope that drill doesn't get buried someplace.
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