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LML Duramax build Part 5
« on: April 05, 2018, 10:42:23 PM »
As Nate accurately predicted, with the start of this new round of modifications to the 2011 Silverado, I'll start part five in this long running series.

So at the moment, I have owned the truck a bit more than 6 1/2 years and the truck still has less than 90,000 miles, I think in the 88,500 mile range. It continues to tow all the time, and is used off road pretty much every week. Today was no exception. The truck as of this writing is covered in mud, which is really more the norm for this Silverado than being clean. The paint is holding up well, although now there is a pretty good coverage of rock chips and a couple very small dings, from hitting deer, a buzzard, a couple other things and running into trees and the like more times than I can recall.

Anyway, to allow for another couple hundred thousand miles of use, I decided to replace the problematic CP4.2 high pressure pump, and while I was at it, go for an upgraded turbocharger.

I procured all of that from Diesel Ops of Michigan and the new tune from Motor Ops of Ontario, Canada. They wrote me a new tune and I have already downloaded it into my laptop, and will soon complete its journey into the truck via the downloader.

Today marks the point where the final parts came in. All the Fleece stuff was piled up outside the garage door when we all got in from a hard day's work at the farm.

Three big boxes:
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2018, 10:44:28 PM »
The long box contained the new down pipe. along with some of the parts used in the S-362 TurboCharger conversion. The stainless pedestal is impressive and very heavy!
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2018, 10:46:10 PM »
Next box contained the heavy and large turbocharger, the Fleece S-362 unit which should make along with the pump and the tune some 625 rear wheel horsepower.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2018, 10:47:13 PM »
The the parts kit for the CP3 conversion. It is said to be a complete kit, requiring nothing else except time and effort to install
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2018, 10:48:53 PM »
This new CP3 high pressure fuel pump was modified by Fleece to continue to supply fuel above 3,000 RPM. Factory units do not do that, but will start to pull fuel off above the 3K threshold.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2018, 10:49:16 PM »
What is total investment in upgrades?

How long are you expecting the truck to be down


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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2018, 10:51:32 PM »
What is total investment in upgrades?

How long are you expecting the truck to be down


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With the oil, filters, heat shield from summit, all the chems and sundry items, along with the Fleece parts I am right at $4K, and on to $4,150 including the new tune.

I am planning for a few days labor to complete
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2018, 10:52:17 PM »
Here it is, all assembled and ready to go. I may begin on Monday
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2018, 10:53:41 PM »
So, I'll have a CP4 pump, a stock turbo, and a diamond down pipe for sale by Wednesday!
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2018, 11:01:51 PM »
What was the cost on that upgraded CP3 from Fleece by itself? The CP3 pump on my truck decided to grenade at 171k miles, and the used unit I had put in (shop told me they have replaced only 2 CP3 pumps before since the Duramax came out in 2001, and they service entire fleets of these things) is now weak and not pushing enough rail pressure at WOT. If the upgraded pump isn't much more than refurb OEM, I may as well go that route. Cheers.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2018, 11:04:20 PM »
Shiny new parts  :likebutton:

Looks like a solid setup, very nice.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2018, 11:29:10 PM »
Nice
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2018, 12:32:43 AM »
So $4k for an upgrade to a problem that may or may not occur.....

What would it have taken to get SQ-D running?

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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2018, 12:36:13 AM »
Insurance Charles, btw don?t you work in that field?  :tongue:
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2018, 07:26:09 AM »
So $4k for an upgrade to a problem that may or may not occur.....

What would it have taken to get SQ-D running?

jus sayin...

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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2018, 08:57:49 AM »
Is the Borg Warner turbo an SXE? If so, you will LOVE it. EGTs do not exist any more on my 7.3 with the s364.5 turbo I'm running  :beercheers:

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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2018, 08:59:15 AM »
What was the cost on that upgraded CP3 from Fleece by itself? The CP3 pump on my truck decided to grenade at 171k miles, and the used unit I had put in (shop told me they have replaced only 2 CP3 pumps before since the Duramax came out in 2001, and they service entire fleets of these things) is now weak and not pushing enough rail pressure at WOT. If the upgraded pump isn't much more than refurb OEM, I may as well go that route. Cheers.
I'm about to set up something with Diesel Ops for members here if you order from the supplied link which may save you something. He gives 10% off if you are military, subject to limits (Sometimes they don't have 10% margin)
But you can get the modified CP3K LML kit for around $1600
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2018, 08:59:44 AM »
Is the Borg Warner turbo an SXE? If so, you will LOVE it. EGTs do not exist any more on my 7.3 with the s364.5 turbo I'm running  :beercheers:
Dunno, will check...
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2018, 09:00:44 AM »
So $4k for an upgrade to a problem that may or may not occur.....

What would it have taken to get SQ-D running?

jus sayin...

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There are other concerns with respect to SquareD...Jest sayin... ;-))
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 09:04:48 AM »
Does anybody know if the turbo is the same (stocker) as the LBZ?
I know mine is in need of a rebuild, but spare parts are nice too.
If it?s the same I?m maybe interested chief.
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2018, 10:08:36 PM »
Does anybody know if the turbo is the same (stocker) as the LBZ?
I know mine is in need of a rebuild, but spare parts are nice too.
If it?s the same I?m maybe interested chief.
I think the LML with the variable guide inlet vanes is different than earlier turbos. Can someone verify this?
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2018, 02:00:29 PM »
OK, need advice from the brain trust (Shawn, that means you remain silent!)
So, Ken...
Getting ready to start this CP3 conversion.
My question is that since I am going to be torn down should I take advantage of this time to:

1. Replace the water pump
2. Replace the belt idler
3. Replace the fan belt
4. Replace the lower/upper radiator hoses

The truck's build date is late 2011
It has 89,400 miles on the clock
There was a possible weeping lower hose issue last winter with near zero temps, but has not duplicated since tightening rad hose clamps.

Opinions from D-Max owners/those knowledgeable??
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2018, 02:32:08 PM »
Since you are going that deep into the motor, I?d do it all while you?re there - I hate redoing work I?ve just done when Murphy shows up!
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2018, 03:04:18 PM »
7 years old, I would do those things, and the thermostats...and I would use GM parts

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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2018, 05:06:57 PM »
7 years old, I would do those things, and the thermostats...and I would use GM parts

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I couldn't do the GM parts, as in from Chevy

Just too costly!

I have very deep discounts at O'Reilleys that sometimes knock 50% off my bill. But looking at the website prices, I am appalled!
Like $248 for the lower hose!!!!!!!!!!
$70 or $142 for the pump. $40 for the upper hose.
Haven't priced the idler, but I'm sure it isn't free!
Wow, is it just me, or has life in the 'merica gotten really expensive the past 5-7 years.
I am starting to get shocked by the cost of lumber, it's on a death spiral upward.
And grass seed. I was told that due to some drought somewhere, 50 lbs of KY #31 was going up to over $100 Last year it was in the $30's
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2018, 07:09:14 PM »
Tellin you boss, GM on the t-stats and water pump or you will regret it, and of course, I will be there to rub it in.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2018, 07:14:53 PM »
I am with ken in the T-Stats,

as far as the waterpump, wasnt there  some sort of an upgrade offered a few years ago that had to do with welding the impeller or something like that or am thinking of something different?
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2018, 09:03:37 PM »
I think the Napa ones are welded, but just like the cp4 scare, ----fill in the blank---

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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2018, 09:26:45 PM »
I have a few more years and miles on the clock with more drastic temp changes up and down, I wouldn?t stress about the hoses. But a belt and pulleys are easy to do now or later.   


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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2018, 09:58:06 PM »
I can probably find some T-Stats that are GM, maybe a water pump...

Ken/others. What should I be paying for these parts:

Pump?
Lower hose?
Upper hose?
T-stats?
Idler?

I don't think the welded shaft on the water pump is as big a problem as the cases being eaten away in 80K-100K

I'll know soon enough, but I was thinking $75 ish so why not. But at these very high prices, man, it's just cutting into my budget big time!
But, I do plan to operate this truck until maybe 2023 as a prime mover, so I want it to be pretty reliable.

But if my rich uncle dies in the poor house between now and then, I'll likely buy something smaller to scoot around in (Always like that 4cyl D-Max ZR2) and save C-max for the work which it just gobbles up.
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2018, 10:23:51 PM »
Looks like I get to redo the axle seal on the driver side of my truck, gear box is getting lots of play side to side on the shaft, plus a new leak from one of the cold pipes to the inter cooler. 


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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2018, 11:32:06 PM »
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2018, 12:48:23 AM »
The better upgrade for the pump is the pinned version, so welding to heat seals etc.  I believe Danville made the one for my LB7 which is an OEM AC delco but they drill and pin the impeller to the shaft.
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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2018, 01:38:10 AM »
Check rock auto, too.


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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2018, 04:16:49 AM »
The better upgrade for the pump is the pinned version, so welding to heat seals etc.  I believe Danville made the one for my LB7 which is an OEM AC delco but they drill and pin the impeller to the shaft.

Thanks, thats what i was trying to remember.
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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2018, 11:24:53 AM »
OK, I checked out that hose from Summit, I called them
They could not guarantee that the referenced part JR spec'd which was for a 2006 would fit. They could not source me a lower hose at all from anyone!

But from Amazon I found a new AC Delco water pump, some AC Delco thermostats, an idler puller, tensioner and gasket, all delco parts, and a new belt for my dual alternator truck and a couple other things.

My plan will be to use these parts but keep the stock hoses for now.

Oh and a call to O'Reilly's on the lower hose: Special order, $166 and be here in like 10 days. So, I'll get the hoses on before winter, but for now, let's get this thing torn into and get this new pump on!
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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2018, 12:45:41 PM »
Don, I like Rock auto and they have AC delco available at times
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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2018, 02:20:48 PM »
In general, be careful when buying AC Delco. They have 3 different quality lines, replacement, "professional" and OEM. IIRC.  Stay with OEM and you're OK.  The others are low cost lines to compete with aftermarket. 
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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2018, 04:52:31 PM »
In general, be careful when buying AC Delco. They have 3 different quality lines, replacement, "professional" and OEM. IIRC.  Stay with OEM and you're OK.  The others are low cost lines to compete with aftermarket. 
Ah shoot!

Already ordered, and have tracking numbas...Professional...

Come on folks...I need complete information.

You bean heads told me "Get Original or AC Delco, or something like that, so I do

THen in retrospect you tell me there is actually three grades. Chinaman, chinaman with a new bag and American...

Great!
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« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2018, 04:56:44 PM »
Anyway, just back from Best Buys

Good news is I now have a new Camera and this one, a Sony 6300L is dust and waterproof and it's a compact. Everything about it is condensed except for the price $999!

But I found one with an open box, so they worked with me...$750

Bad news is I used the money I set aside for the torque converter :-((


So far this thing is vastly superior to the Cannon Rebel EOS I was shooting with. 24 M-pixel and a bunch of smart automatic features. Maybe it will improve the poor pictures I have taken for years.

It has a technique improvement setting. The way it works is to switch hands from yours to a professional photographer and you are supposed to get better pics!

Cool feature!
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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2018, 05:39:42 PM »
Sorry, sir!  I did 20 push-ups for my mistake


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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2018, 07:59:02 PM »
At least I said GM.

wait, did I just read that you bought a $1000 camera, but can't afford a $200 water pump!
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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2018, 08:20:49 PM »
At least I said GM.

wait, did I just read that you bought a $1000 camera, but can't afford a $200 water pump!
Sure did... :facepalm:
I just don't want to wind up missing a digit or limb.  I can sometimes get in a hurry to get results.
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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2018, 08:29:27 PM »
Said camera was likely his wife?s and he was required to upgrade to atone


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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2018, 08:42:05 PM »
Sorry, sir!  I did 20 push-ups for my mistake


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Not good enough......  :tongue:

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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2018, 09:36:32 PM »
At least I said GM.

wait, did I just read that you bought a $1000 camera, but can't afford a $200 water pump!
You want pictures, right? 
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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2018, 09:39:25 PM »
Said camera was likely his wife?s and he was required to upgrade to atone


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Funny, but the truth is not that far away.

I get my cameras from her mostly. She will buy one then in about six months, she'll see something a bit shinier, so I'll offer her something for the old one and just like that, you knuckleheads get a pic upgrade.

But not this time. SHe had nothing to sell. SHe has a Cannon D700 or D750, and some smaller compact thing like mine, but she wasn't wanting to negotiate, so I did this one myself!

Be the judge yourself, pics coming right up
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2018, 09:43:32 PM »
So lets get this project going.

Today it was sleeting and snowing all day, but I said screw it and jumped in the thing after running my errands.

While I was waiting to begin, the truck suffered a catastrophic lower radiator hose failure. Apparently the clip fell out during a minor local quake and the hower hose came loose causing a catastrophic loss of dexicool on my driveway!

Unbelievable!
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2018, 09:44:59 PM »
Since it was leaking there, I just let it empty. Then I pulled the left, then the right fender wells out
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Re: LML Duramax build Part 5
« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2018, 09:46:12 PM »
As I removed fasteners, I labeled a baggie, then placed everything inside, then stacked them in order on the parts table.
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